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Classic classic. So as you can
see, the cookies are all gone underneath

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there in the rock has been put
back on top of the others. Welcome

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every one to the Sasquatch out Post
Podcasts, your favorite podcast, every week

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every Tuesday night. We are live
with episode sixty four this evening, and

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we'll be talking about the paranormal shift
that's happening within the Bigfoot world with a

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couple of guys who I've gotten an
o over the last few years and looking

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forward to hearing from them this evening. Just a couple of things report back

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to you, guys. We Daphne
and I went to the Big conference.

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A few of you were there and
it was good to see you. Thanks

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for supporting us and supporting Dan Toff
from Big and as as we knew,

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doctor Meldrum was the first to speak. As he was speaking, I was

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thinking to myself, virtually everything he's
just saying, I'm going to be getting

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up there and uh contradicting him on
and I thought, that's that's usually not

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a great thing in a conference.
But I wasn't going to change what I

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was going to say. And the
fact is we don't agree, so uh,

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when I got up I. The
first thing I said was, you're

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gonna you're gonna find in my talk
here that there's many things that doctor Melgrim

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and I disagree with on I said, however, I have the utmost respect

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for doctor Meldrum in his role as
a professor and all that he has done

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for the Sasquatch research world. And
I said, I I believe doctor Meldrim

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is a statesman in the bigfoot research
world because of his position as an academic,

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and that he has moved things forward
tremendously because of all his research into

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foot morphology and tracks and his knowledge
of anatomy and anthropology. So I wanted

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to make sure I started off talking
about how much I appreciate doctor Meldrum,

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and then I went on with my
talk, and at the end we had

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a panel discussion that I had to
leave early from. I wish I could

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have saved for the whole thing,
because just as I was walking out the

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door, someone asked doctor Meldrum a
question about the whole relic hominoid ape versus

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a human of some kind being Sasquatched
his identity, And because up to that

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point we had talked about a lot
of things that were kind of just not

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worth much in the conversation. I
thought, just as I'm walking out the

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door, it was my opportunity to
sit down and hash it out with with

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Jeff in front of folks and and
you know, go at each other a

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little bit in a good natured way, and I unfortunately I had to leave.

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So but that that difference of opinion
is very common in the Bigfoot world

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right now. My point is we
should be able to have conversations and sit

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down and respect each other and dialogue
and talk about why we believe one thing

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and why they believe another thing.
And unfortunately, just like in politics,

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that seemed to be not very possible
anymore. So I'm glad with Jeff Meldrum

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that I'm still able to do that. I hope that'll be able to do

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that in the future. And thanks
again for those of you who came and

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support all of us. I the
right before leaving for the big conference,

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the day before, there was a
retreat starting at Glen Isle Resort here in

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Bay that was very interesting. I
was able to go for a couple hours

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on Friday, and the retreat was
I don't remember the title, but it

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was put on by uh some a
Navajo fellow, and then a bunch of

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women that he works with, talking
about the how to communicate with the forest

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people, Sasquatch, how to learn
from them, how to understand when they're

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communicating with us, how to have
an ongoing relationship with them that maybe partially

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in the physical and in many ways
the non physical world. So it was

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fascinating. I wish I could have
been to the whole weekend for a lot

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of people. They they probably would
have gone there and been show and thought,

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oh, this is a bunch of
nonsense. But at the same time,

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I'm more and more convinced that we
can communicate with them, and it's

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a question of how and how we're
gonna learn to do that, and so

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I hope that I'll be able to
stay in touch with them going forward.

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But there's several spirit prayer trees planted
by Native Americans and manipulated by Native Americans

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so that they are in a different
shape than the other trees, and there's

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just something about those trees. I
have to agree with them. I can't

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put my finger on it, but
there's something about those trees that there's something

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around them or in them, a
spirit of power. I can't explain it,

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and I'm still learning a lot about
it, but I want to learn

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more something fun that's happened recently.
I'm gonna show you a quick well,

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let me go quick to this one
announcement about Georgetown. So this weekend is

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the first weekend that Georgetown Loop Railroad
is going to do wild West Days,

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and so we've got a quick little
promo here and let me just show you.

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Let's see, there's a banner here. So tickets are available at this

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ur l Georgetown Loop Railroad dot com. And I'll be there as an outlaw.

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Only outlaws have fun, law dogs. It's never as fun for the

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law dogs. The outlaws get to
be on the train and rob the train

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and we have great time. But
yeah, I would say, if you

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want to have fun this weekend and
bring your kids, and I guarantee it

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they'll enjoy it. And if I
make them cry, I'll give them a

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present, I promise. And I
tend to make little kids cry a lot,

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so uh, and I'm not the
only one. So anyway, that's

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just a quick promo for the Georgetown
Looper rail Road and it's it's great fun.

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But I would recommend that you book
your train in advance. There's five

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trains every day, all five get
robbed spoiler alert. So it's very loud,

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lots of lots of loud gunfire,
but it's very safe and we do

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a lot of work to make sure
that everything is safe. So so having

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said that, getting back to the
gifting area, Wayne and I have a

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gifting area that we've worked a bit. John Warren and I used it great

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a great deal when he and I
were partnering together, and that's he was

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between that side and another one when
he had his sighting where the sasquatch barked

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at him on the trail behind him
and he turned around and it moved into

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the woods and he thought it was
a hiker at first and then realized that

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it couldn't have been a hiker.
So we have not had another sighting out

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there since that one. So I've
been trying to get out there more often

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because it's only a few minutes from
my house, maybe fifteen minutes for me

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to get there. And so when
I was with these folks on Friday at

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the seminar or the retreat, they
were talking about having been in Arkansas and

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at a location where there was a
lot of activity, and they were doing

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gifting. And they started off going
and buying organic fruit and you know,

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organic apples, and they put all
that out there, and sasquatch never took

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them. Then they bought cookies and
Reese's peanut butter cups, and those would

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disappear, all of them. So
they're like, okay, so they have

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a sweet tooth. And Wayne and
I haven't put a lot of food out

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there. We put some other stuff, and it seems like that they weren't

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really interested in interacting with us.
So I went out two days ago.

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Let's see, I went out Friday
evening, took a bunch of cookies,

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put them on this rock inside of
a little circle of rocks, and then

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put about a fifteen pound rock on
top of it. The only thing that's

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going to move that rock is a
bear. And if a bear moves it,

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he's just gonna pull it off and
he's gonna eat the cookies and that's

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gonna be the end of it.
So let me play this big guy.

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Get definitely like likes junk food.
I think sweetness is not in their normal

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diet, and I think they enjoy
it. So let's just play this little

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clip about a three minute clip of
when I put the gifts out there and

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then when I went back, and
we'll talk about it. I'm gonna put

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the big rock over the so that
the other animals don't eat them before you

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can go and get them. Okay, I'm talking to sasquatch. By the

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way. If I put some cookies
down here, yeah, some cookies in

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the bucket because some friends told me
that maybe they like sweet stuff more than

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healthy stuff. I think I'm gonna
put the big rock over these so that

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the other animals don't eat them before
you can go and get them. Okay,

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Wait, hanging out to the gifting
area. I've left some cookies and

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goodies a couple of days ago and
put them in a way that nothing other

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than a bear we'll be able to
get to. And so I'm just curious

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if they took anything. And I
think I need to be doing this these

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kinds of short trips more often.
It's close enough to my place that I

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can do it, and getting to
get out, you know, within thirty

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forty five minutes total, there's our
gifting spot. Before I even get up

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here, I can kind of tell
maybe did that rock sitting over the cookies

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has been moved, so I'll see
in a second here classic classic, So

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as you can see that gap wasn't
there when I put them up there.

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They knocked the rocks off, all
gone underneath there, and the rock has

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been put back on top of the
others. So if you remember from a

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couple of days ago, I uh
put some cookies under these rocks and they

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are gone, and more importantly,
the rock was put back on top.

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So you know, I was trying
to figure out a way to see if

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it was Sasquatch that wanted the cookies
versus a bear, and I think I

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think a bear would never put the
rock back, and so they put it

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back. And we've had this kind
of encounters with them where they they do

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things that we hope they'll do,
and I think they want us to know

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that they were there. So yeah, I think bacon would work. But

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it's really important that we know that
nobody else knows where this site is.

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So anytime I'm going out there by
myself or with Wayne or if he's going

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on his own, if there's anybody
on the trail within sight, we just

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hang around, we go past there. We make sure when we go up

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to this place. Nobody saw us
go up there, and when we come

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out, we come out a different
way. So I'm very confident that no

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people know where we are and where
we've put these gifts, and so it

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has to be Sasquatch that's coming and
moving it and enjoying those cookies and putting

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that big rock right back where it
was. And so hopefully this summer we'll

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have some more experiences. But Wayne, they didn't like when we put rocks

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and things out there and they don't
move them. They took all the cookies.

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So I think there's a lesson there
for us going forward and interacting with

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these guys. So okay, well, just before Stephanie plays our little disclaimer

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here, my guests this evening are
Chad Kidder and Scott Walter, and Chad's

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been a researcher since twenty sixteen.
He joined the BFRO, which is Big

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Foot Field Researchers Organization in twenty nineteen. He works as a recruiter for a

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financial tech company. He's married to
Margaret and has two eighteen year old twins

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and his son just left for basic
training with the Army. Thanks for your

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son and what he's going to be
doing Scott Army in Chad and then Scott

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has been a researcher since two thousand
and eight, had an experience with his

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wife mountain biking that I hope he'll
tell us about that got him started.

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They live in Roxboro and he is
an insurance agent and married to Jamie and

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has two younger boys. So welcome
Scott and Chad. Glad to have you

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guys, and we'll just play a
quick disclaimer and bring you in. Okay,

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good to have you, Chad and
Scott. Appreciate you guys being with

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us this evening. Thanks for having
us. Yeah, you bet man,

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you bet. I. I know
that there's a lot to talk about and

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and I'd love to start just by
asking each of you in turn, how

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did you ever get started in this
whole bigfoot craziness? And Scott, you

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had mentioned something about a Mike mountain
biking experience. Tell us what had happened

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there. Yeah, basically, I
was just I just met my wife to

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be and we were looking for things
to do and and she was making good

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money at the time, and I
was a big mountain biker. One of

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the reasons why I moved out here
from Nebraska was was the you know,

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skiing and the mountain bikes and that
sort of thing. So I was trying

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to find an easy trail for her
to go on because she's not as crazy

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as I am on a mountain bike. So I got grabbed my mountain bike

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book and found this place called they
called it the Glacier Lake Trail, and

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it's about it's about seven miles north
would be west of Boulder, because she

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was living in Westminster, so we
would went up there one Sunday afternoon.

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It was September fourth, and yeah, I won't bore you with the details,

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but I basically went out and I
had been watching Monster quest if you

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guys remember Monster Quests, Oh yeah, way back in the day, and

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and so I was kind of interested
in it at that point. But she

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got fell back behind me a little
way, so I was on a precipice.

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So I just picked up two softball
sized rocks, hit them together expecting

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something and nothing ever happened. But
we went out to the six mile mark,

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came back the next the remaining six
back to the truck, and everybody

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had left this little area. It's
kind of a cul de sac at the

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base of Sugarloaf Mountain if people know
where that's at, and the trail is

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called the Switzerland Trail, and so
there was only one vehicle there when when

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we got back, it was somebody
in a subreu wagon who had a larger

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dog and this dog was absolutely freaking
out. So this person it was about

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I don't know, one hundred feet
away or so, and the dog was

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freaking out trying to get up Sugarloaf
Mountain. And I didn't think anything of

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it at the time. And then
they left and I was unloading the mountain

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bikes and my wife got in my
truck at the time, and something growled

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at me from the tree line,
and it absolutely it shook my core.

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And it was about when I measured
it off, it was about ninety foot

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away from where I was standing.
Wow, And I you know, at

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that point I had I absolutely had
to figure out what this was. And

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at that point I was I was
just hooked. So you didn't think it

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was a lion or anything like that. No, No, it sounded like

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it was in my ear. And
I turned around, like I said,

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a big foot days like fully expecting
to see a you know, the devil

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himself and there was just nothing right. There was nothing so big, a

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big, deep strong. Yeah,
my wife didn't hear it. My wife,

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he didn't hear it. Was she
in the in the car already,

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That's why she didn't hear it.
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cold. It was about forty five
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she jumped up in there to get
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it came from kind of my my
four clock position, So I didn't really

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I wasn't looking where it was at
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Her and her family ras my my
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you know, years until they until
I started really getting into this and and

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they started believing me. Okay,
you know, so that's kind of how

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I started. That's a great start, the big growl to start it all

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off. Oh yeah, h how
about you, Chad. So I was,

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uh, I was into this as
a kid. You know, I

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was always fascinated bout paranormal things,
even as a young young child, read

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read all the books and so Patterson
Gimlin film and and and then you know,

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got a little older and really didn't
think that much about it. I'm

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from Louisiana. We moved to Colorado
in two thousand and one, my wife

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and I did just for for the
lifestyle. And again, you know,

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when when I would hear something Bigfoot
related, I would kind of pay attention

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to it, you know, there
was something on TV or whatever, but

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really didn't think that much of it. And then I I stumbled across another

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podcast. I don't know if I
could say it on here, but it's

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another podcast. It's quite popular,
and I started listening in and I just

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went all in and and they were
advertising expeditions in East Texas out in the

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Big Thicket between uh, pretty close
to the Louisiana state line. And I

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knew that area a little bit as
a kids. Very wooded, very thick,

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and a lot of activity down there. So I went and I had

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a sighting my first expedition the last
night, and Ben Luck, Yeah,

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oh yeah, absolutely. It was
a normal, normal side, but it

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was a good one. And I
think this is where the seed was planted,

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of of something being unusual about these
things, Jim, because I saw

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it. I'm looking at it.
It was kind of behind a tree.

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I couldn't see him that way up. I could see the build okay,

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and and you know it's against bout
three am, and uh, I lowered

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my thermals, I didn't trip.
I took two steps and came up again.

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He was gone, and there was
nowhere for this guy to go,

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you know there was. I should
have heard it crashing away, you know,

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busting through branches. Didn't hear any
thing. So it came back to

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Colorado and it was funny. Uh, similar story to Scott's wife. My

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wife was like, oh, you
got it out of your system. That's

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great. They all know that the
hotels get back to work, you know,

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absolutely, So then got to have
paired up with the BFRO here.

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Actually, I went on one year
night hikes gym when I was kind of

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early in this thing, and that's
where I'm gonna do, and started going

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on BFRO expeditions, met Scott and
some other good friends too, and then

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over time, you know, it
was invited to become a field researcher and

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investigator. And then now Scott and
I have actually taken over the Colorado expeditions

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as well. So last year we
ran the first one, but we've taken

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over them going forward. Well,
I may have to join you guys on

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one of your expeditions. Now,
yeah, I never never did get to

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go with Dennis full when when he
was doing them. So have you taken

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over from Dennis to do those now
we have? You know, Dennis is

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kind of the godfather of the Colorado
BFM row. You know, we certainly

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have deferred him, and he's still
coming, by the way, So Dennis

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comes and last year, yep,
we we started the we started the expedition

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off by running footage out in the
woods. You know. We have a

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screen set up and ower bank and
a projector so that people get to see

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really good footage of squad activity that
Dennis has and then he explains it and

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whatever. So he's still definitely involved. But we we we always say we

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learned from the best, and he
is. Yeah, so you guys organized

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it now pretty much? Okay?
Good, Well I can't think of two

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guys who do a better job than
you guys, So that's awesome. And

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the I saw a comment here,
I wanted to back up to Daisy Renee.

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Everyone should stay open minded one hundred
percent degree. When I when I

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started my talk on Saturday, I
said, after saying what I did about

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doctor Meldrum, I said, here's
the reality. There are no experts because

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we have nobody, we have no
bones. We have one movie. Pretty

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much comes down to one movie,
and we have one set of vocals from

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the seventies in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and that's pretty much it. We've

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got a lot of little pieces of
stuff and footprintcess, but we have no

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definitive proofs. So none of us
can say, well, you are one

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hundred percent wrong, because I've got
a body and I know what I'm talking

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about. We've got our opinions,
that's what we've got, and so I'll

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be the first to say my opinions
are my opinions based on some things that

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I've I've experienced in my own research. But I would never want to tell

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anyone else you're wrong, and they
cannot be what you think it is,

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because I think I think that's that's
why we are where we are, with

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the division that we've got within the
big Foot community. So Jim, go

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for it. Go for it.
That you know, we've been talking about

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this last few years as Scott and
I and some of our other close friends

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too are our views on this has
changed from you know, Relic commented or

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undiscovered primate to something different. And
we've come to accept that some questions just

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don't have answers, which is absolutely
you know, and we talked about this

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than the expedition. It's like the
more we do this, the more experiences

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we have, but oddly, the
less we actually know. I'm up the

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citing number three now, right,
and I feel like, I know,

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I almost felt like I knew more
when I started, you know, now

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this far in, at least we
thought we knew more when we started.

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Eight years in, I feel like
I know, oh my god, you

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know your guess is as good as
mine. Sure, sure, And that's

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a valid point, Chad, And
I think you know it's there's just unfortunately,

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there's, for lack of a better
term, there's a lot of bad

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blood right now in the big Foot
community, and people who will get up

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and publicly publicly name someone else and
malign them and their work. And I'm

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thinking that's just not necessary. We
We've got so much to do without throwing

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darts at each other and being ugly. And and what happens is people watch

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that happened and they think, gosh, what's up with that? I mean,

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what's up with you? Guys,
and so it leads a bad taste

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in everyone's mouth. And to be
honest, I mean, that's just it's

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just arrogance. If we're doing that
to other people, it's just arrogance because

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we don't know, we don't know
what we don't know. Chad, you're

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right, and and Scott tell me
take us into a little bit of where

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you guys are doing some of your
research. I know you got in an

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area, don't need to know where
it is, but we'd love to know

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some stuff that's happened there from you
guys side. Yeah, so the spot

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everybody knows about the flat tops pretty
much by now that that was the staple

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big bf RO spot to go Dennis
and Dennis up there, yep. And

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I think there was a guy named
is it Foster, I'm trying to remember

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his name. He was Frank,
not Jason, No, I want to

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say Ken Foster. Anyway, he
was one that that really developed that flat

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top area. And I think it
was an early report in like the two

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thousand and four, two thousand and
five, and then they started going up

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there and pretty much that place was
decats now for basically from two thousand and

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five. My first expedition was in
two thousand and nine. Actually Moneymaker was

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at that one when he was really
doing these and he brought about a quarter

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million dollars worth of equipment on that
on that one. Pretty is it still

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active up there my opinion, and
Chad may have something different, but there's

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certain spots up there where we think
that something happened up there that kind of

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ruined it. And I think it
part of it is is a lot of

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people go up there now party in
race hell and and they know about the

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Sasquatch and and they we we we
basically conditioned them to you know, come

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come around our tents at night time. And if somebody goes up into the

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spot where a lot of some people
might know what the meat pit is,

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it's a basically a logging road that
the dead ends that that that was about

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a quarter mile base camp where we
used to get you know, gift shut

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out, beef liver and all that
stuff, you know, the stupid stuff.

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Well I thought it was because because
you guys were going to be the

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meat, but yeah, it it
twenty seventeen. It was a different vibe

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up there. And when we went
into the spot where we used to camp

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one of our buddies is in law
enforcement. We kind of surveyed the area

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and somebody had dumped a mag of
forty cows with a half with a half

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burnt fire. So my point is
is we think that they got used to

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us up there and went in with
somebody else and it freaked somebody out and

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they unloaded a match. Yeah,
and it just wasn't the same. Now,

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Chad, you had some thermal sighting
up there, I think in nineteen.

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I wasn't after I did. It
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kind of thing, but I was
in twenty I did have a good thermal

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sighting too, and I saw one
run up a hill and it was interesting.

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As I was, I was using
my thermal. So Dennis Fole and

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his family and some other friends were
camped, you know, to the to

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the east. We had the remains
of a campfire almost directly in front of

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me, about one hundred yards give
or take. And I was watching the

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campfire with my thermal and a squatch
popped up from behind it, you know,

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kind of a classic, the classic
shape, and it is. My

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first reaction was, this must be
one of Dennis's crew. It's one of

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his family, right, And then
he took off running up a hill and

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I was like, I don't think
yeah, And he started on two legs

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and he switched to four. But
he scrambled over this hill, and of

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course I'm thinking, right back then
I should hit record. Oh man gone

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just as he just as he got
over the top, just as something like

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my brain is registering I'm looking at
a sasquatch, you know, And then

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he's over the top of that hill. For any of us, Scott and

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I are both in pretty good shape. I mean, for us to take

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a dead run at this, it
would take a few minutes, you know,

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to the top. Yeah, and
four or five seconds gone, you

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know, and then other strangeness there
too. So we also had I believe

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this was nineteen or twenty. Uh
we were. We were actually hiking at

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night towards the base of the little
flat top and a ufo, a glowing

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globe of light, maybe the size
of a beach ball, just came cruising

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through the trees, making no sound, pushing nothing away. It was just

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a huge bright ball of light,
almost like a rescue flare, you know.

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It was that bright, and everybody's
yelling, you know, UFO and

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just kind of went through the trees
and then went up over the top of

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the little flat top. How close
was it to you guys when it when

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it went thirty yards? Oh wow, okay close. I mean we were

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lit up by it as it went
wow wow. You know. And so

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this this starts to get into the
other the other center, the paranormally.

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We don't we don't quite know what
we're dealing with here, you know,

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and there's this correlation of causation.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think I

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answered your question, Jim. Sorry, I got off on the flattops.

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But basically our new spot is was
a report that I took, I believe

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in twenty nineteen, and we just
started checking it out. It's on the

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southern side of Colorado. Now,
okay, we call it Tango Mike,

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and it's it's uh. It was
a deer. There was an el kind

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who spent about sixteen years down there, and he just had an incredible sighting

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at about thirty yards and or actually
thirty feet, I guess, and the

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amount of detail he gave me was
just unbelievable. He was up about eleven

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thousand foot on the eastern face of
this mountain and all done up in a

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gilly suit. So he was he
was glassing for elk up there, and

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he he was eating ritz crackers and
salmon and just glassing down looking at a

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bear down the valley, and the
bear disappeared. So he's just sitting there

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and out of it on his left
hand side came a relatively small sasquatch that

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came out of the tree line.
And the amount of detail this guy gave

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me on it, I was just
blown away. So Chad and I went

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down there with some of our buddies
and we just started, you know,

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looking into it, and I think
we've had about five different class as down

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there right yet We've got some good
ones, you know. We had one

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of our friends, the guy we
mentioned who's a cop, he saw two

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at the same time. Scott Scott's
seen one that he nicknamed Peggy Bundy from

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the Married with Children because of its
hair and then because he had a huge

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head. Yeah, peaked up behind
a tree. But again back to the

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strangeness. When I spotted to me
whipped around, he was just gone,

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yeah, you know, like I
think that again, like the Texas siding,

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I should have heard him crashing right
you were just gone. I heard

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one crunch and that was yeah,
And how do you explain that? Logically?

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I mean, yeah, logically you
should have seen that this was a

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thermal again, yeah, logically cheap
one. Yeah, you should have seen

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that thermal image moving away? Hear
it? See it? How does how

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does the heat signature just disappear?
And I'll add when this's happened, I

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called up two other buddies who also
had thermal They came running up and I

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was like, I've got one.
You know what, we got it?

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And uh, nothing nothing. If
it's been a porcupine or something that seen

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darting away, it's gone. Well, and you know, it's I understand

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why any of us want to kind
of keep our primary research areas more hush

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hush. It's and it's not.
We all acknowledge that this is national forest.

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People are going to be going through
there who don't know us, don't

408
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:50.679
know anything about what we're doing.
They're gonna be camping there, hiking there.

409
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:53.559
But I think, I don't know, what do you guys think about

410
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:00.320
this? My my feeling is sasquatch
understands intentions. I really sense that.

411
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:06.840
And so someone who goes in with
the intention of trying to find sasquatch in

412
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.360
a research area that someone else has
been working. Is different than a guy

413
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.199
just hiking through or biking through who
doesn't know anything. It's not looking for

414
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:22.719
anything. I think the intentions of
somebody else coming in is what may bring

415
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:30.039
confusion or cause the sasquatch if they're
shot at, as you said, Scott,

416
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.440
to pull back and to say,
WHOA, I'm not interested in that

417
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:40.239
and so and I obviously that person. I'm wondering if that person who shot

418
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:46.119
up in the flattops knew that that
they were up there and kind of went

419
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:51.440
up there with that intention of seeing
if they could kill one or something.

420
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.000
I don't know. We had looked
at that that and he might be right,

421
00:38:55.079 --> 00:39:00.639
Jim. It looked to us like
it was panic fire. Okay.

422
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.760
By that is we think they came
up to these folks in the meat pit

423
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.840
and somebody just freaked out and started
starting blasting, you know, because there

424
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.719
were It's not an ideal place to
do some target shooting anyway. Fine,

425
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.920
look like like somebody just came out
like pu smoke, something's here. I'm

426
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:24.159
just gonna start popping all rounds and
I might add that that that in two

427
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:31.719
thousand and the year before that was
probably the most intense night of my life.

428
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:36.719
They they came in, there was
two of them, and our buddy,

429
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:43.039
we'll call him RL got touched through
the tent Okay and the Sasquatch.

430
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:49.199
It's so dark back there. We
went to bed around uh midnight, and

431
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.559
he was getting touched to the tent
at twelve fifteen. Yeah, it doesn't

432
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.719
me yeah, but so that that's
what creeps me out the most is they

433
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.480
were there, they were watching Yeah, they were watching me, watching us.

434
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.079
And then you know, I asked
him, you know, are you

435
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.079
hearing this footballs around the tent?
And he's like, yeah, I just

436
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.199
got touched to the tent. And
the weirdest part of it is he fell

437
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:22.000
asleep immediately after that. I and
I stayed up for the show and it

438
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.599
was an hour and fifteen minutes long, and I finally had enough of it

439
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.320
and I just said hey. And
the weirdest part that really got me scared,

440
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:37.880
that had me getting my or actually
his forty five is when I said,

441
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:44.840
hey, that thing kept walking,
didn't break stride nothing. Do we

442
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:50.440
have a recording of that? Is
that one of your recordings. The one

443
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.880
I sent you was was in two
thousand and nine. That was in twenty

444
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.320
sixteen, okay, but it was
very similar. The one that I from

445
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:05.599
two thousand was a heavy footed one
and it ran by the tent covered about

446
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:09.280
one hundred foot about two and a
half seconds. And at that time I

447
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.639
did not have a cot, so
I was sleeping on the floor of the

448
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:20.199
tent and I actually felt it the
ground move and it was probably at least

449
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.880
twenty to thirty foot away from the
tent when it did it so big,

450
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:28.159
big thumping as it went through.
Oh, it's incredible. But the one

451
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.519
in twenty sixteen was more. The
only way I can explain it is that

452
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.920
the footfalls were almost like they were
walking on gel pads. You could hear

453
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:44.320
them going, but it felt like
they were somehow the footfalls were muted,

454
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.199
but you can still tell it was
bipeedle And then I started hearing two of

455
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.840
them. Then I started getting really, really nervous. And it's amazing how

456
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.960
they can make a huge racket when
they want to, and they can be

457
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.199
completely silent when they want to,
where they make a huge racket coming up

458
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:06.679
to your tent, and then you
never hear them leave and you're thinking,

459
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.159
well, they're still here, but
they're not. They they'd moved away silently,

460
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.800
completely silently. So yeah, just
say when you when you want us

461
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.480
to play one of these recordings,
and we'll play it and we can talk

462
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.239
about it. Yeah, you can. You can see if you if they

463
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.320
can that football one, well if
you can hear it, it's still a

464
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:29.320
little light. But okay, it
was back in my pre parabolic days.

465
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.800
So it was just a straight uh
a normal mic and asden mike. But

466
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.880
you should hear two thumps and then
uh bump them. So let's listen hard.

467
00:42:42.519 --> 00:43:01.400
Yeah, turn it up use ther
bugs. Yeh Was that the right

468
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:06.599
one or is that one that was? That was the Ohio Ohio howe that

469
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:17.599
we heard up there, but same
spot that's flattops. Okay, mm hmmm,

470
00:43:30.159 --> 00:44:12.840
mhm mm hm m hmmm mm hmmm. Right, right, that's probably

471
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:17.000
good you can get so that you
was that was that some crack snap cracks

472
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.559
you could hear out there. No, that that was a different spot.

473
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:28.000
So that was that was our tangle
mic in southern Colorado there, so that

474
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.719
was the wood Knox that what do
you think, Chad, I mean almost

475
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.519
every time we go up there,
it's we get awoken by those in the

476
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:42.800
morning. Typically yes, And so
we had one of our campouts two years

477
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:47.039
ago Scott had to leave. He
was actually having some difficulties with his gem.

478
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:57.440
It was Sunday morning. Uh,
I heard no less than and once

479
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.840
it and actually, Jim, it's
one of the few times that I've been

480
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.360
a nerve and it started because it
woke me up, you know, I

481
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.880
just I could start hearing it in
a low cup and you could tell it

482
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.079
was changing sounds slightly, so be
here they would be here that it would

483
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:15.920
sound a little different. And then
it just kept going. And my friend

484
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.800
Tanner was in another ten. I
yelled at Tanner, are you hearing this?

485
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.760
And He's like, yeah, So
did they stay at a consistent distance

486
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.280
from me? Or are they moving
around knocking? They were, they were

487
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.039
pretty far away. So where the
we have the so within Tangled Mic,

488
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:35.800
we have another camp site that we've
nicknamed a Patchy Point, and there's a

489
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.480
story there too, But a patchy
Point is where the magic happens. For

490
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:45.239
sure. Anytime where there something goes
off, whether it's sociding or some kind

491
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:50.039
of other proximity event. The pint. Yeah, we'll tell the part of

492
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.320
the story, Sach. But the
but the knocking, it had moved.

493
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:59.119
It was outside of our our view, but nearby. And you could tell

494
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.039
they were hitting different things because some
some knock would be very sharp and then

495
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.280
others would be a little muffled,
like they'd hit a rock tree, you

496
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:12.239
know. And it went into kind
of a semicircle around us, and then

497
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.639
it just stopped, you know,
it was over. I couldn't tell you

498
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.960
what it meant. So what's the
pine cone story? Go ahead, Chad,

499
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.000
you were there. So our friend, who's uh, now this this

500
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.280
gets a little interesting as well.
So our friend is in law enforcement,

501
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.199
and there's a there's a follow up
on this too. We're camping there,

502
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.320
and he was going through a rough
time. He lost his mother and so

503
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.119
he was, you know, he
was kind of ready to get out in

504
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:43.119
the woods and and you know,
just hang out with the fellas and do

505
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.119
our big foot thing. But he
was probably he was a little raw at

506
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.840
that time, I you know,
that's the best way of describing. And

507
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.119
and it seemed and this was the
the night before the or two nights before

508
00:46:55.159 --> 00:47:00.480
the twenty five thirty would knocks but
I was looking at him, he's looking

509
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:05.960
at me, and a pine cone
flies over my shoulder. And it wasn't

510
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.519
something that fell from a tree because
he's wearing a ball cap. He's looking

511
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.440
right at me. I saw it
hit him in the nose. It was

512
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.840
an open pine cone, not a
green pine cone. It was. It

513
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:16.960
was an open one, but kind
of small, you know, like a

514
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.519
squirrel had chewed it. And uh, those are hard to throw. It's

515
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.400
like throwing a whiffle ball. Oh
yeah, yeah, yeahs you explanted,

516
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:28.280
you know. And uh and I
had a five hundred lumen predator light.

517
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:35.960
As I turned to look, my
light dyed. He hadn't even been using

518
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.440
it, you know, like there's
no reason she's been dead, just nothing,

519
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.239
you know, it's crazy. Yeah, And that was just, you

520
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.519
know, one of those other little
data points of strangeness in the same location

521
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:52.280
too. We have heard the best
way to describe it would be almost like

522
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:59.280
tribal or American Indian drumming. And
we've heard it. Uh, and this

523
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:05.840
is an extremes. It's a commitment
to get there. It's not like there

524
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.000
could be maybe some I don't know, so some other folks in another you

525
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.440
know, another Mountain over doing this, you know, scared drumming at night

526
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:19.159
or whatever. It's very rhythmic,
and it sounds like it's like a Native

527
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.639
American vibe to it. It's the
best way I could describe it. We've

528
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:30.480
also heard we would describe as nineteen
forties radio traffic up there, like first

529
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:38.039
base, you know, and very
very interesting spot. It is interesting.

530
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:44.719
So the pine cone in the face
in the dark yep, okay, yeah,

531
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:50.880
place is weird. Yeah, well
it sounds like it, I mean,

532
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.400
weird, weird, exciting. You
know. Are you guys usually armed

533
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.159
when you go? Yes, so
when I take people out. I've gone

534
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:07.920
back and forth on this because I
really have come to the conclusion after twelve

535
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:13.920
years that Sasquatch doesn't want to hurt
me. That's not their intention. If

536
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.239
they did, they would have hurt
me a long time ago. They don't

537
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:21.199
need to respect this little thin filament
called a nylon tent, you know.

538
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.440
And they you get inside it,
don't they don't come busting in. They

539
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.199
don't drag you around in your tent. I mean they could do all of

540
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.679
that, they just never do.
They may push on it stuff, but

541
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.679
but and they don't come charging them
when you're sitting around the fire either.

542
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:40.960
I mean, we can't see anything
out there in the dark, and so

543
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:47.679
so I really discourage people from bringing
I carry a gun and I've never used

544
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.039
it in twelve years because of bears
and lions. But my concern with other

545
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:57.239
people carrying a gun is just what
you said about the You thought these people

546
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.159
were fear firing. Last thing I
need is a couple of guys in an

547
00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:05.800
on an I hike pull out guns
and start blazing away because they're scared to

548
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.599
death or something like. That's how
people get killed there really is. So

549
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:15.960
but do you just out of curiosity, do you think it would make a

550
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:22.400
difference if you weren't armed. I'll
start it there first. You know,

551
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:28.519
we've been armed one hundred of the
time. Uh. The exception is the

552
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.920
expeditions because that's a rule. But
we're armed one hundred percent at the time.

553
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:40.480
But we don't we're not projecting anything, you know, you know,

554
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.039
we carry side arms. We might
have a shotgun in the truck that for

555
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:51.519
the same reasons you described, Jim. You know, we don't target shoot

556
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:58.280
on location at all, big million, you know, so we are definitely

557
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:05.000
is more peaceful. M hm,
yeah, yeah, I mean just firing.

558
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.679
I think it is about the worst
thing you can do as far as

559
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:14.679
discouraging him from coming in. So
well, let me let me uh was

560
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.840
there another recording we were going to
listen to Scott if you can find the

561
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.159
footfall one that was in the Flat
Tops that was in two thousand and nine,

562
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.760
so whatever the the other one was
that you have it played. So

563
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:32.280
we've had the wood knocks, and
we've had the yeaho real distance, ohiohi

564
00:51:32.400 --> 00:52:01.079
okay, h yep, and that's
the and I felt on the ground the

565
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:07.440
big thuds. Oh yeah, it
was. It was it was bananas,

566
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:12.280
you know. I listening to that, I'm thinking, my my recordings sound

567
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.440
just like that, and I'm thinking, there's gotta be a way to have

568
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:22.880
recording that doesn't have this sound over
everything, this static electronic noise. I'm

569
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:28.400
like, there's gotta be a recorder. Maybe it costs a million dollars,

570
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:32.280
I don't know. That's just you
hear silence until something else is in the

571
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:37.719
in the sound, and so it's
one thing that there's wind and stuff,

572
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:45.559
but it's just that's not when that's
just over static, you know, frustrates

573
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.840
me to no end. Yeah,
it's our audio guy though. He's really

574
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.119
good at cleaning up, you know, and he's very patient with it,

575
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:58.519
you know, and if he thinks
he has something, he'll he'll yeah,

576
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.599
yeah, definitely, you have to
pull out filters and do a bunch of

577
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.039
stuff. But if you put too
many filters on it, then it starts

578
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:10.079
sounding digitally and it doesn't then you
lose the essential sounds that you're trying to

579
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:15.719
keep. Yeah, well let me
let me switch gears for a second here,

580
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.440
just because I want to make sure
I get you guys opinion on this,

581
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.119
so excuse me. So there's been
a shift, a growing shift in

582
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:34.519
the bigfoot world where I was listening
to an interview between Steve Isdall and Rich

583
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:39.360
Jermau recently, and they were both
talking about how are you familiar with both

584
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:45.159
those guys? Yeah we've met them, Okay, So yeah, Rich and

585
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:50.159
Steve stall is how to hunt up
in Canada and he's he basically just reads

586
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:55.920
emails and but he's had many encounters
himself, and and both of them are

587
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:05.440
saying, yeah, we're convinced that
they are they're not single dimensional creatures,

588
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:10.760
they're not physical only they are both
and uh and I find that that's that

589
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:16.360
opinion is a growing trend in the
Bigfoot world. And I would say that

590
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:24.039
that bf r O has been synonymous
in the past with you know, physical

591
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:32.880
only no no paranormal aspect. And
recently Matt Moneymaker came out with a statement.

592
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.239
I haven't read the statement myself,
I've just heard about it. Anything

593
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.239
you could you could tell us about
Matt or what maybe a change in his

594
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:46.320
mind about this, you know,
I don't know. I picked him up

595
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:52.760
from from his hotel on the last
Bigfoot thing in Estes and he really didn't

596
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:57.280
say a whole lot. I think
he's pretty rigid on his ways. I

597
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.159
mean on what he's seen. I
mean, he saw one years and years

598
00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:05.119
ago that looked like a he said, look like kind of like a Native

599
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.679
American. Yeah, and you know, came up to a campfire. I

600
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:15.000
believe with him. But you know, you can't really dismiss this wou thing.

601
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:16.760
I mean, you know, if
I if I was going to talk

602
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:22.719
about a few different things, that
really head So back in the day,

603
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:28.840
we set up two trail cams,
pointed each other up in the flat tops,

604
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:34.159
pointed down at this watering hole kind
of a creek, well, we

605
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:39.639
had had a motorcycle battery on one
of them. We had sea batteries in

606
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.719
the other one, all brand new, charged up to the hill, and

607
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.519
we went back to check them in
the morning and all we saw were white

608
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.119
overexposed white, and they went off
at the same time, drained the batteries.

609
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.880
This battery, this battery thing,
this electronic thing that's draining batteries.

610
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:07.480
I've had my jeep battery drained and
it's a geil cell. It's an optima

611
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:13.360
gel cell. What's draining a gel
cell? Right? You know? The

612
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.920
electrical problems just drive me bonkers.
I've had equipment just like Chad's go down

613
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:22.320
like his light fully charged. You
get out there, they're fully charged.

614
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:29.199
Yeah, it's unreal. Thermals do
the same thing. What else you know,

615
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:35.639
the disappearing footfalls or or something that
my peg Bundy did that was almost

616
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:42.639
thirty foot away from Chad and it
ran from left to right and it made

617
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:49.199
noise for about twenty yards or so, and then nothing, and I saw

618
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:54.440
its head moved between an opening red
like peg Bundy's hair, about seven foot

619
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.920
at least off the ground, and
it went and then turned up up the

620
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:07.719
hill disturbed the ground but made no
noise. I know idea how they do

621
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.280
that. When that happened, I
was facing Scott. We were looking at

622
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:15.639
each other, and I saw you
know, like like like behind you,

623
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:20.679
and it happened so quickly. I
whipped around. Nothing. I heard one

624
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:23.639
crunch, you know, of course
off of their you know, what can

625
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:28.639
we find and we're looking all around? You can imagine if we if we

626
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.880
weighed a thousand pounds and we try
to go through the woods silently, never

627
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:37.400
going to happen, never going to
happen. There's one comment, let's put

628
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:44.800
that that mirror comment back up there
from Tennessee, Kentucky Bigfoot. I've seen

629
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:46.920
a couple of people do this.
What do you guys think about this method

630
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:52.559
of pointing a camera out a mirror
so that you're not actually filming anything,

631
00:57:52.639 --> 00:58:00.480
you're filming behind through the mirror.
Is could that be away maybe to capture

632
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:07.000
sasquatch on film when we haven't had
much luck at that so far. I

633
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.119
don't see why. I mean,
yeah, I think you try about anything,

634
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.239
and I'm starting if we're starting to
get into the wou thing, I'm

635
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:22.880
starting to think that they know your
intentions. If you can't trick them.

636
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:25.599
You just can't. It's futile.
And if you've ever listened, you know,

637
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.800
we talk about different researchers. Todd
Standing comes up and a lot of

638
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.480
people think he's a kook and all
this business. But I just listened to

639
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:39.239
him on a Red Pill interview,
and that guy makes a lot of sense.

640
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:43.199
Now, a lot of what he
says makes a lot of sense.

641
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.639
Yeah, he thinks are more telepathic. He thinks that they can they can

642
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:53.039
kind of read you. And I
think I'm starting to believe that. I

643
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:59.400
really do think about it too,
Scott. A lot of our experiences we've

644
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:04.360
had together, you know, or
we've had with other friends, and it's

645
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.679
like, you know, with our
friend uh r L when he had the

646
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.800
double sighting and I wasn't with you
guys, but you guys were actively looking

647
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:16.559
for them. But it happened very
quickly, you know, he went radically

648
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.880
and he did and so so these
guys were hiking on a trail and he

649
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.000
decided, I'm going this way,
and he just did. So he did

650
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.000
something a little different, and he
spotted a brown one and a white one,

651
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.039
you know, splitting up. Yeah, and a lot of the other

652
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:36.679
sightings we've had have been like that. Just quick we've done something a little

653
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:42.159
different. I'm a big believer in
thermal devices because if they if they are

654
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:45.559
here, are they're in this plane
or this dimension of however we want to

655
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:47.760
do that, and they are physical
at that point, they can't hide from

656
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:52.119
that. If they're around, you
can spot them and it's passive, it's

657
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.400
not emitting anything, it's just receiving. Yeah, that's right, And you

658
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.760
can see a lot of cool things
here. There's other animals that are around

659
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.840
their need device anyway, you know. But if they're around and you can

660
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.960
catch them in the viewfind or you
can spot absolutely that whole mirror trick.

661
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.480
And I'm I'm kind of in the
same opinion as you, Scott, that

662
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:20.639
we can't trick him. I've tried. I've taken little one inch square HD

663
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.599
camera, yeah, and clip it
on a chair around the fire and then

664
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.159
point it at our camp at our
tents, which were about thirty yards away,

665
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:34.360
and in the morning there were two
other chairs sitting there that had stuff

666
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.159
in the seats. In the morning, only one chair was pumped over the

667
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.519
one I put the camera on and
the camera was gone. It was nowhere.

668
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.199
I looked everywhere, and so it's
like, how do they know that

669
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:49.599
little thing is Yeah, I don't
know how they know that it's a camera,

670
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.320
you know, unless Stroud try to
hide them in under logs, and

671
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.880
I mean, you would never have
known that as a camera and they never

672
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.280
walked in front of it. Yeah. Ask Dennis Bull how hard it is

673
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:06.920
to catch things. You know,
he tried for five years in Kentucky to

674
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:12.880
catch that habitation spot. And how
he had to go about tricking him to

675
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:17.800
get DNA for the Ericson project was
Yeah, it was incredible, just incredible.

676
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.559
Yeah, and he does have some
amazing footage he's kind enough to show

677
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.199
on on our expedition. I will
say this too, and I'll uh this.

678
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.039
I'm gonna leave this as a mystery
for now, but we do have

679
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:35.960
a device that we've been using the
last couple of years that will bring them

680
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:40.000
in and they don't seem to like
it that much. So so the response

681
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:45.559
might be a little bit negative,
but it has worked so oh interesting.

682
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.719
Yeah, he ain't gonna be able
to leave it there. I'm gonna come

683
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.320
back at you some time later figure
out what in the heck you're talking about.

684
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:58.559
But yeah, I mean, this
is this is why we need interaction

685
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:05.679
because if every bigfoot organization and researcher
around the country we're talking, man,

686
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.719
we'd be light years ahead of where
we are because people are trying things that

687
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:14.000
other people haven't tried and work and
didn't work. But we're reinventing the wheel

688
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.119
over and over and over because nobody
talks about their research because it's like,

689
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.480
this is mine and I don't know
if it's because we think we're going to

690
01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:27.639
win the Nobel Sasquatch Prize or you
know what, what is the reason for

691
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:31.039
that, But it's just this possessiveness. I mean, I sell maps in

692
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:37.880
my store where I'll plot on there
every single sighting we've had in Park County

693
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.599
and you can buy the map and
you can go figure out where they are.

694
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.800
Why do I do that? Because
it's not going to make any difference.

695
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:49.519
They're not going to chase sasquatch away. Hopefully they're not going to go

696
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.159
shoot at them. That's my only
concern about doing this. But I also

697
01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:57.239
want to educate people. That's a
big part of what we're doing in the

698
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:06.480
at the outpost and laser pointers.
I've heard of people using them to show

699
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.960
other people where they see a sasquatch. They didn't point it at the sasquatch,

700
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:13.239
but they pointed it in a direction
that said, okay, just to

701
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:19.239
the left of where I'm pointing this
light. I've seen people that had laser

702
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.440
lasers that are weapons. Actually,
if you've shined it on the snow,

703
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:28.239
will melt the snow. So you
shine that is something's eyes, it's gone.

704
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:31.440
Their eyes are gone. I mean, so, I don't know what

705
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:37.840
are your guys thoughts about laser pointers. I think anything that's a light of

706
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:43.000
any sort is a show stopper,
so we don't use them. I agree,

707
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:49.159
Yeah, we might use some of
that in an absolute last ditch defensive

708
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.880
measure gym, but for spotting things. Now, I agree on hundred percent

709
01:03:52.960 --> 01:03:58.280
of Scott and Yet and yet,
how many times have we actually had to

710
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.719
use our guns against the sasquot or
you know, yeah, zero, me

711
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:10.280
neither. But they're nice to have
the gym. Yeah, well, well

712
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:14.599
we feel better. It's just our
own insecurities. We feel better having a

713
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.320
gun on our hip. You know, Jason franken Know has had his gun

714
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:23.239
up against the forehead of the sasquatch
that pushed his face into his tent.

715
01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:28.400
And the reason it didn't fire is
because and it was chomping. I mean,

716
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.760
it was making noises that sounded very
aggressive. But he thought if I

717
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.960
it was like, you know,
this far away from it, if I

718
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:39.760
shoot this thing, I know there's
more of them in the camp, and

719
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:44.440
that's gonna be that's gonna be my
demise, I you know. And he

720
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:47.159
may have been right. If he
had killed that Sasquatch, he may have

721
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:50.519
been killed. And as other people
in the camp with him, he had

722
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:54.960
other friends that were camping there that
didn't know what was going on. And

723
01:04:55.119 --> 01:05:00.920
so yeah, a lot of questions. And I'll watch other researchers. You

724
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:05.079
know, I if if you guys, if you two guys suddenly disappeared without

725
01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:10.679
a trace, I'd have to say, I'm gonna have to reevaluate this,

726
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:14.519
old Jim, if we do,
please put this on your map. Last

727
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:20.840
last last point scene was at this
location a big foot hat. Yeah.

728
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:29.519
Have have you guys ever seen their
eye glow at night? Scott has Yeah,

729
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:33.280
I have no view? Were yeah
if that area or no, this

730
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:38.000
was up at sugar Loaf, so
that this was okay. So I was

731
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.719
obsessed after that. So I went
out and got a five hundred dollars.

732
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.400
Uh what was it called a night
owl fifty to fifty something or other and

733
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:51.280
night But yeah, so I put
it on a tripod, and I'm here

734
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:58.440
to tell you I was absolutely fricking
terrified to go up there. I would

735
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:00.199
go up there at night on weeknight, I'd go up and spend the night

736
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:05.039
with my my girlfriend or wife to
be and in Westminster, and I would

737
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:10.719
go up there in my truck and
I would go a mile in on that

738
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.880
sugar Loop trail and just post up
and just pan around with this thing out

739
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:21.360
of the back out of the back
window, the cold snack window of my

740
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:26.719
truck, and uh, if something
would hit that truck, I would have

741
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:30.679
gone It's straight through that. Yeah, I mean I was that high strong.

742
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:32.920
But I did get some eye shine
and I think I showed it to

743
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:39.719
you guys at the at the Bigfoot
deal and Estes Scott, we did get

744
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.639
some eye shining Oklahoma. But yeah, we did, Yeah, we did.

745
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.000
Yeah. So Scott and I have
access to hone Toby, Oklahoma,

746
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:51.159
which is kind of the famous place, well known kind of like, yeah,

747
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:54.880
a friend of Marzon's property there,
So we've been down there a few

748
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.599
times. It's pretty much NonStop activity. But we did ride around in scottch

749
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.880
g on a timber lease that's down
the road from our buddies property. It's

750
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:09.440
forty thousand acres. It's pretty big
and he has access to it because he

751
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.440
hunts there. And we were shining
the predator light. We did hit a

752
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.440
few times where something looked awfully big
and bright and separated. You know,

753
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:21.239
So this wasn't like a predator light
or something. Yeah, it's just a

754
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.800
red light that you shoot out.
We do use those kinds of lights for

755
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.840
location, like we're going into a
new spot where we're paying in the woods

756
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:33.400
for to see if we can get
the eye eyeballs. And I'll tell you

757
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:40.719
that one when we went by that
big six foot tall tired tractor or whatever

758
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.719
that was, when we saw those
eyeball eye shine, that was crazy.

759
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.119
Ye Now, what if you shine
that predator light on a deer will it

760
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:53.039
reflect back as well? Yeah?
Yeah, So have you ever seen eyes

761
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:59.760
in the pitch black with no lights
whatsoever? Our buddy r L has That's

762
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:03.320
what his original was up in the
plattops and thirteen he saw them and they

763
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:12.519
they illuminated, may like self illuminated. Yeah, we've seen fifteen at one

764
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:18.079
time, all their all of their
eyes illuminating and watching us from the woods.

765
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:23.039
It looked like a bunch of flashlights
in the woods because we were pitch

766
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:28.880
black. All we had was an
old military gray green night vision device that

767
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.880
an army guy ex army guy had
that was there with us. And but

768
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:39.520
when you if you put your iPhone
up to his eyepiece, it was hard

769
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:42.560
to do. And it's really hard
to figure out which of those three lenses

770
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.800
on your iPhone is the one that's
supposed to be, you know, shooting

771
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.600
the video. But if you can
get it up to the lens on that

772
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:54.560
night vision thing and see one of
those lights and then and then zoom in

773
01:08:54.720 --> 01:09:00.279
with your fingers, it was it
came out too. And so yeah,

774
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.479
I mean, I think I've seen
eye glow with no light maybe a dozen

775
01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:10.520
times now. And the reason I
think I'm seeing it more now is that

776
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.239
I know what to look for,
Whereas for the first six seven years I

777
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.439
was doing this, I was probably
passing by them and not because and I

778
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.079
tell people on our night hikes and
camping trips, it's out of your peripheral

779
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:28.600
vision, you're going to see it. For some reason, our eyes,

780
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:32.640
human eyes, we see better out
of our peripheral than our direct line of

781
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:38.840
sight at night, and so if
you're looking straight on, you won't see

782
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:41.000
it. But as you turn your
head, you're going to catch a glimpse

783
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.319
of a light in the woods.
And you look back again and it disappears,

784
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:46.439
and it looks strange, but you
kind of have to do this.

785
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:49.880
You kind of have to be looking
out of the corner of your eye because

786
01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:56.239
you can see a light here because
your rods and your cones pick it up.

787
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:00.720
But you turn towards it and it
disappears. And so if once you

788
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.560
figure out where it is, then
get a pair of regular binoculars and then

789
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:10.159
try and zoom in on it and
lo and behold, there's two eyes.

790
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.000
And but they're usually way back in
there, and you're seeing it through a

791
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.840
bunch of foliage and so, but
the fact that you can even see it

792
01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.760
because they're emitting this light, and
people are like, well, how can

793
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.640
they do that? I don't know, How can they do anything? They

794
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.399
do? I don't know. But
it's like Disneyland when you're out there and

795
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.880
you see it. It's like,
there's no way they're doing this. How

796
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:41.680
are they lighting out of their eyes? And uh, you know that's one

797
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.399
of the mysteries. If they ever
get a body of a sasquatch that they

798
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:50.600
find dead, hopefully we don't have
to kill one. Studying their eyeballs is

799
01:10:50.680 --> 01:10:56.439
going to be a miracle to see
what's inside those eyeballs, I'm telling you

800
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:05.840
so a great Yeah. We noticed
that that sometimes there's a a crescendo of

801
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:14.279
activity where you know, where things
start happening in the evening and especially down

802
01:11:14.319 --> 01:11:17.720
there at at a tangle Mike at
a Patrick point, and it will increase

803
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:23.960
as the night goes on. Especially
we notice if we kind of try it's

804
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.000
hard to do, but try to
ignore them a little bit. So if

805
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.760
someone's having behind Scott and I'm like, there's something going on there, but

806
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:33.560
if we whip around right, we'll
get quiet. But if we just leave

807
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.039
it alone, a lot of times
they'll start to increase, and then they'll

808
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.920
get a little more bold, and
then a rock flies in the camp and

809
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:45.159
then a branch gets broken, and
it's just like it's like, you know,

810
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.920
if somebody's alertic to a cat and
they go and visit a friend who

811
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.239
has a cat, they try to
ignore it. They'll crawl over their face,

812
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:57.359
the same kind of thing. Yeah, ignoring them where you're not letting

813
01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:01.439
on that you see what you see
or what somebody saw, and sitting in

814
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:05.600
your camp and saying, hey,
Chad, off to your right, don't

815
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:11.520
look, don't look off to your
right, there's something there, and eventually

816
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:14.760
you can kind of, you know, just kind of casually look over and

817
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:19.239
see. But yeah, I think
they they like feeling. My guess is

818
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:24.399
they like feeling like they're fooling us, that we're not seeing them while they're

819
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:33.560
watching us. Definitely, any other
thoughts from you guys on this whole paranormal

820
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:39.079
aspect to sasquatch and what do you
do when you're on an expedition and somebody

821
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:43.520
says to you, nah, they're
an ape, that's all they are,

822
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.199
and they can't be anything more,
anything less. I think everybody's got to

823
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:55.479
come up with their own decision on
that one. I mean, yeah,

824
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:59.439
it's just a deal where the more
you're in this, the more you go

825
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:03.640
that direct action, because there it
gets more fuzzy. It's just yeah,

826
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:09.399
yeah, And I think it's because
the more experiences you have, the more

827
01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:14.079
correlations you get. Like with this
whole electrical thing, you know, a

828
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.159
person just going out every now and
then, oh my battery died, that's

829
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:21.680
kind of weird. But when it
happens tenth pricking times, it's like something

830
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:30.279
is going on here. It's it's
not it's just yeah, it's well wild.

831
01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.800
It's just like you said earlier,
Chad, the more we learned,

832
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:38.840
the less we the less we know
and understand. I really feel that way.

833
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:43.239
We have one of our participants who's
come out of the last few years

834
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.880
is a a neurosurgeon for North Carolina. It comes out of this a really

835
01:13:47.960 --> 01:13:53.319
nice guy, and we had gotten
the subject to the paranormal and he was

836
01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.439
like, you know, like you
know, just you know, not really

837
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.439
debating or arguing, but just not
you could tell he's not a cup of

838
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:03.560
teeth. And that's fine. Sure
we're not there, you know. And

839
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:09.720
so for people of Scott and I
and you, we've had enough experiences now

840
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:15.039
to know that really common undiscovered primate
just doesn't matter. Up we are dealing

841
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:18.600
with something else. If somebody for
them, yeah, and there's no need

842
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:25.079
to try to get into a big
argument over it because you know what you

843
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:27.399
know. I know what I know, at least I think I know what

844
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:31.880
I know. But you're not going
to convince somebody by arguing when they start

845
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:36.880
having experiences, then they might be
convinced. So if you can take them

846
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:42.640
to a place where they might be
able to have an encounter themselves on your

847
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.640
expeditions, and I know some people
have. Dentist has told me about people

848
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:50.479
who come there, they want to
see us a squats, they see went

849
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:53.600
through a thermal, They go back
to camp, they pack up and they're

850
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:59.520
gone. That's happened a couple of
times. It is not what they not

851
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:03.039
what they thinking, you know,
it's uh, oh my gosh, they're

852
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:09.359
really there, you know. And
so yeah, I which no judgment there,

853
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.279
I get I just I just wish
for them that they've been able to

854
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:17.560
hang around and see more instead of
instead of bolting. But you know,

855
01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:23.039
you get it, you get it. There was a comment here, let's

856
01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:32.239
see, uh this one Bigfoot has
a show like this, the bout Emans.

857
01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:39.880
Yeah, the Sasquatch podcasts. They've
they're they're going off and it's it's

858
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:44.319
a telepathic thing, you know.
They do their show telepathically and they're all

859
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.960
out there like all those humans.
They think they got us figured out.

860
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.399
I have no doubt. I have
no doubt. And I love I love

861
01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:57.600
that sense of humor. That's awesome. Yeah, we've heard them. We've

862
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.840
heard them laugh a couple of times
when something would have and in camp that

863
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.319
that they took. It's very funny. Have you guys ever heard that.

864
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.800
I don't think i've heard a laugh. We we have heard some pretty good

865
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:15.840
samurai chatter though. Yeah, that's
crazy. And you know, I don't

866
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:21.359
doubt that they that they're talking about
us when we're hearing that, and they're

867
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:27.640
close enough, they're close enough to
be talking about us because they've been maybe

868
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:33.119
watching and they're they're communicating between a
couple of them. But yeah, you

869
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:38.600
think it's people, right, Initially
it sounds like people talking back there and

870
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:45.159
mhm, it's it's it's a mix
between Mandarin and and Captain cave Man.

871
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:51.039
Yeah typically yeah, right, yeah, No, I agree that it sounds

872
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:55.479
like no, And I'm sure have
you guys ever had the experience when you're

873
01:16:55.520 --> 01:17:00.960
out hiking or squatching and you hear
voices up ahead and you think, oh,

874
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.800
there's some hikers coming around the corner, and you wait and you wait,

875
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:10.880
and no bad shows up. Yeah, exactly. You can't understand the

876
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:15.000
words, but just like you can't
if a bunch of humans were just far

877
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.159
enough way, you could hear their
voice, but you can't understand what they're

878
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:25.600
saying. So Captain Caveman, Yeah, we're gonna have to name a sasquatch,

879
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:31.319
Captain Caveman. They've probably named us
all anyway. So one thing too.

880
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:35.439
You know, we go for it
up in August and we have lots

881
01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:42.680
available if anybody's interested. Good yet, we this is a serious subject,

882
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:45.159
but we don't take ourselves too seriously. We have a good talk. You

883
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:49.000
know, we joke around, we
have fun, we eat well, we

884
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:55.560
hike a lot, and we don't
dismiss anything. So somebody says, hey,

885
01:17:55.640 --> 01:17:58.319
man, I heard this, or
I think I saw this, or

886
01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.039
I might have seen this. What
let's discuss it. You know, we're

887
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.319
we're we got there with a very
open mind and people are welcome. And

888
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:10.800
again we laugh at ourselves to something
hilarious always happens to somebody, you know,

889
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:14.439
no matter what. Well, let
me ask you two questions. How

890
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:18.359
can our folks find you guys,
do you have your own website for your

891
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:24.720
own research that they can look up
or we don't. They can go to

892
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:30.479
the BFRO dot net page and look
on the expedition link. Okay, that's

893
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:36.159
where your expedition will be advertised.
Yeah, okay, good, And we're

894
01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:39.920
getting ready to close it out.
We like to get it all closed out

895
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:45.520
fairly early so we know who's coming, what we need to bring. A

896
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:48.960
lot of times we'll denis will make
elk stew and stuff like that. So

897
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:53.520
we need to get a good head
count. And we've been trying to keep

898
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:57.279
them to thirty five people. In
the past. We've had these things at

899
01:18:57.319 --> 01:19:03.359
sixty sixty and it's like herding cats
and it's it's unproductive. No, I

900
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:08.880
agree with you. There where what
part of the state do you go to?

901
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.640
We're basically south central right now,
and you know it used to be

902
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:21.479
the flat tops up in the kind
of northwest, but it's everywhere. These

903
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:26.800
things can be anywhere on the I
agree on the western two thirds of the

904
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.039
state for sure, and our edition, Jim, roughly, we're about four

905
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:39.399
hours southwest of Colorad'sboro. Okay,
we'll leave it there. And so you

906
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:43.520
said there is some room left for
your August trip. I think we've got

907
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:49.760
about nine nine slots. Okay,
well, just for any of our folks

908
01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:58.079
who are listening. Uh, these
are guys I trust. I trust Dennis

909
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:00.840
as well. If you go with
them, you're in good hands. So

910
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:06.000
I wouldn't say that about everybody,
but these guys, I think you you

911
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:13.039
can trust them and their experience.
So yeah, I encourage you to sign

912
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:16.159
up if you if you have time. What are the dates in August August

913
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:20.640
A through the eleventh, okay,
arriving on Thursday, departy on Sunday.

914
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.880
We're going to be out there most
of that week, actually, so we

915
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:30.760
do a couple of reconnaissance campouts ahead
of time, make sure we're the people

916
01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:34.640
can come a bit early, and
we don't guarantee sightings of course, but

917
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.479
we will tell you this. You
will have fun and you will meet a

918
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:44.199
lot like minded people. Good,
great people. Good. Let's do one

919
01:20:44.279 --> 01:20:46.399
thing real quick with the chat room. I'm just curious Wayne and I were

920
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:51.520
talking about this afternoon. If you
guys would just put under your name where

921
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:56.359
you are right now, where are
you listening from. I want to get

922
01:20:56.359 --> 01:21:00.840
a quick demographic of our chat room. So just put I'm in Louisiana,

923
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:06.359
I'm in Arkansas wherever you're listening from, just so we can scroll down and

924
01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:15.720
see. I'm really curious. I'm
in Bailey. You guys are in Roxboro

925
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:23.800
and four Collins. Okay, so
we got Brownsville, Texas, Chesterfield,

926
01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:30.800
Virginia, Evergreen, Colorado, Illinois, Castle Rock, North Glenn, Indianapolis,

927
01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:42.439
Ontario, Denver, Windsor, Colorado, Houston, Texas. Oh,

928
01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:46.079
this is a real spread. This
is great. Just so you guys know

929
01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:53.439
as well. Ship Rock. Okay, that Washington State. Hey appreciate you

930
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:58.640
guys putting this in there. This
is great to see. So hopefully people

931
01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:03.760
are getting to now they know you
guys a little bit, and they can

932
01:22:04.079 --> 01:22:09.760
they can come on, come on
an expedition. Mount Washington, Kentucky,

933
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.239
of course, Kenda, Texas,
Prescott, Arizona. Wow, this is

934
01:22:14.279 --> 01:22:18.439
awesome. So everywhere there's like twenty
one expeditions on there too, so there's

935
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:25.640
a ton of different ones. Okay, good all over the Yeah, well

936
01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:28.600
they know you now, I'm sure
I'm sure they're gonna want to go on

937
01:22:28.720 --> 01:22:32.960
yours. So hopefully you can fill
up your spots and uh and same for

938
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.920
us. We got some expeditions coming
up, and we still have some spots,

939
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:41.119
so you can go to Sasquatch Outpost
dot com and look up the rabbit

940
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:46.840
Hole Adventures tab and see everything that
we've got and Jim, if you want

941
01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.239
to make it, oh thank you. I will look at those dates and

942
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:56.920
see if I am got my own
stuff going on that those dates are not.

943
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.319
But uh yeah, yeah, I
can't think of anything more fun to

944
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:02.880
coming with you guys and Dennis on
an expedition. It would be a blast,

945
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:08.159
absolutely be fun to see how someone
else organized this something for once.

946
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:15.079
Well, thank you guys both for
being with me and sharing some of your

947
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.479
knowledge and expertise. I really do
appreciate it and look forward to when we're

948
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:26.479
going to see each other again,
maybe this summer on an expedition anytime you're

949
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:30.399
up in Bailey. Obviously, if
I'm come into the outposts, I may

950
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:32.119
or may not be there, but
it's always good to see you guys.

951
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:36.439
And thanks for grabbing me at Estes
Park and let me know that you were

952
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:43.600
available for the show. So it
was fun. Thank you, okay,

953
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:50.600
and for our crowd. We'll be
here next Tuesday. And I've got a

954
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:56.359
friend that I met and the cryptic
guy who's going to be with us and

955
01:23:57.079 --> 01:24:45.279
until next Tuesday night, keep on
squad s. There's ship the ships sh

956
01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:15.399
at de ship sh