Classic classic. So as you can see, the cookies are all gone underneath
there in the rock has been put back on top of the others. Welcome
every one to the Sasquatch out Post Podcasts, your favorite podcast, every week
every Tuesday night. We are live with episode sixty four this evening, and
we'll be talking about the paranormal shift that's happening within the Bigfoot world with a
couple of guys who I've gotten an o over the last few years and looking
forward to hearing from them this evening. Just a couple of things report back
to you, guys. We Daphne and I went to the Big conference.
A few of you were there and it was good to see you. Thanks
for supporting us and supporting Dan Toff from Big and as as we knew,
doctor Meldrum was the first to speak. As he was speaking, I was
thinking to myself, virtually everything he's just saying, I'm going to be getting
up there and uh contradicting him on and I thought, that's that's usually not
a great thing in a conference. But I wasn't going to change what I
was going to say. And the fact is we don't agree, so uh,
when I got up I. The first thing I said was, you're
gonna you're gonna find in my talk here that there's many things that doctor Melgrim
and I disagree with on I said, however, I have the utmost respect
for doctor Meldrum in his role as a professor and all that he has done
for the Sasquatch research world. And I said, I I believe doctor Meldrim
is a statesman in the bigfoot research world because of his position as an academic,
and that he has moved things forward tremendously because of all his research into
foot morphology and tracks and his knowledge of anatomy and anthropology. So I wanted
to make sure I started off talking about how much I appreciate doctor Meldrum,
and then I went on with my talk, and at the end we had
a panel discussion that I had to leave early from. I wish I could
have saved for the whole thing, because just as I was walking out the
door, someone asked doctor Meldrum a question about the whole relic hominoid ape versus
a human of some kind being Sasquatched his identity, And because up to that
point we had talked about a lot of things that were kind of just not
worth much in the conversation. I thought, just as I'm walking out the
door, it was my opportunity to sit down and hash it out with with
Jeff in front of folks and and you know, go at each other a
little bit in a good natured way, and I unfortunately I had to leave.
So but that that difference of opinion is very common in the Bigfoot world
right now. My point is we should be able to have conversations and sit
down and respect each other and dialogue and talk about why we believe one thing
and why they believe another thing. And unfortunately, just like in politics,
that seemed to be not very possible anymore. So I'm glad with Jeff Meldrum
that I'm still able to do that. I hope that'll be able to do
that in the future. And thanks again for those of you who came and
support all of us. I the right before leaving for the big conference,
the day before, there was a retreat starting at Glen Isle Resort here in
Bay that was very interesting. I was able to go for a couple hours
on Friday, and the retreat was I don't remember the title, but it
was put on by uh some a Navajo fellow, and then a bunch of
women that he works with, talking about the how to communicate with the forest
people, Sasquatch, how to learn from them, how to understand when they're
communicating with us, how to have an ongoing relationship with them that maybe partially
in the physical and in many ways the non physical world. So it was
fascinating. I wish I could have been to the whole weekend for a lot
of people. They they probably would have gone there and been show and thought,
oh, this is a bunch of nonsense. But at the same time,
I'm more and more convinced that we can communicate with them, and it's
a question of how and how we're gonna learn to do that, and so
I hope that I'll be able to stay in touch with them going forward.
But there's several spirit prayer trees planted by Native Americans and manipulated by Native Americans
so that they are in a different shape than the other trees, and there's
just something about those trees. I have to agree with them. I can't
put my finger on it, but there's something about those trees that there's something
around them or in them, a spirit of power. I can't explain it,
and I'm still learning a lot about it, but I want to learn
more something fun that's happened recently. I'm gonna show you a quick well,
let me go quick to this one announcement about Georgetown. So this weekend is
the first weekend that Georgetown Loop Railroad is going to do wild West Days,
and so we've got a quick little promo here and let me just show you.
Let's see, there's a banner here. So tickets are available at this
ur l Georgetown Loop Railroad dot com. And I'll be there as an outlaw.
Only outlaws have fun, law dogs. It's never as fun for the
law dogs. The outlaws get to be on the train and rob the train
and we have great time. But yeah, I would say, if you
want to have fun this weekend and bring your kids, and I guarantee it
they'll enjoy it. And if I make them cry, I'll give them a
present, I promise. And I tend to make little kids cry a lot,
so uh, and I'm not the only one. So anyway, that's
just a quick promo for the Georgetown Looper rail Road and it's it's great fun.
But I would recommend that you book your train in advance. There's five
trains every day, all five get robbed spoiler alert. So it's very loud,
lots of lots of loud gunfire, but it's very safe and we do
a lot of work to make sure that everything is safe. So so having
said that, getting back to the gifting area, Wayne and I have a
gifting area that we've worked a bit. John Warren and I used it great
a great deal when he and I were partnering together, and that's he was
between that side and another one when he had his sighting where the sasquatch barked
at him on the trail behind him and he turned around and it moved into
the woods and he thought it was a hiker at first and then realized that
it couldn't have been a hiker. So we have not had another sighting out
there since that one. So I've been trying to get out there more often
because it's only a few minutes from my house, maybe fifteen minutes for me
to get there. And so when I was with these folks on Friday at
the seminar or the retreat, they were talking about having been in Arkansas and
at a location where there was a lot of activity, and they were doing
gifting. And they started off going and buying organic fruit and you know,
organic apples, and they put all that out there, and sasquatch never took
them. Then they bought cookies and Reese's peanut butter cups, and those would
disappear, all of them. So they're like, okay, so they have
a sweet tooth. And Wayne and I haven't put a lot of food out
there. We put some other stuff, and it seems like that they weren't
really interested in interacting with us. So I went out two days ago.
Let's see, I went out Friday evening, took a bunch of cookies,
put them on this rock inside of a little circle of rocks, and then
put about a fifteen pound rock on top of it. The only thing that's
going to move that rock is a bear. And if a bear moves it,
he's just gonna pull it off and he's gonna eat the cookies and that's
gonna be the end of it. So let me play this big guy.
Get definitely like likes junk food. I think sweetness is not in their normal
diet, and I think they enjoy it. So let's just play this little
clip about a three minute clip of when I put the gifts out there and
then when I went back, and we'll talk about it. I'm gonna put
the big rock over the so that the other animals don't eat them before you
can go and get them. Okay, I'm talking to sasquatch. By the
way. If I put some cookies down here, yeah, some cookies in
the bucket because some friends told me that maybe they like sweet stuff more than
healthy stuff. I think I'm gonna put the big rock over these so that
the other animals don't eat them before you can go and get them. Okay,
Wait, hanging out to the gifting area. I've left some cookies and
goodies a couple of days ago and put them in a way that nothing other
than a bear we'll be able to get to. And so I'm just curious
if they took anything. And I think I need to be doing this these
kinds of short trips more often. It's close enough to my place that I
can do it, and getting to get out, you know, within thirty
forty five minutes total, there's our gifting spot. Before I even get up
here, I can kind of tell maybe did that rock sitting over the cookies
has been moved, so I'll see in a second here classic classic, So
as you can see that gap wasn't there when I put them up there.
They knocked the rocks off, all gone underneath there, and the rock has
been put back on top of the others. So if you remember from a
couple of days ago, I uh put some cookies under these rocks and they
are gone, and more importantly, the rock was put back on top.
So you know, I was trying to figure out a way to see if
it was Sasquatch that wanted the cookies versus a bear, and I think I
think a bear would never put the rock back, and so they put it
back. And we've had this kind of encounters with them where they they do
things that we hope they'll do, and I think they want us to know
that they were there. So yeah, I think bacon would work. But
it's really important that we know that nobody else knows where this site is.
So anytime I'm going out there by myself or with Wayne or if he's going
on his own, if there's anybody on the trail within sight, we just
hang around, we go past there. We make sure when we go up
to this place. Nobody saw us go up there, and when we come
out, we come out a different way. So I'm very confident that no
people know where we are and where we've put these gifts, and so it
has to be Sasquatch that's coming and moving it and enjoying those cookies and putting
that big rock right back where it was. And so hopefully this summer we'll
have some more experiences. But Wayne, they didn't like when we put rocks
and things out there and they don't move them. They took all the cookies.
So I think there's a lesson there for us going forward and interacting with
these guys. So okay, well, just before Stephanie plays our little disclaimer
here, my guests this evening are Chad Kidder and Scott Walter, and Chad's
been a researcher since twenty sixteen. He joined the BFRO, which is Big
Foot Field Researchers Organization in twenty nineteen. He works as a recruiter for a
financial tech company. He's married to Margaret and has two eighteen year old twins
and his son just left for basic training with the Army. Thanks for your
son and what he's going to be doing Scott Army in Chad and then Scott
has been a researcher since two thousand and eight, had an experience with his
wife mountain biking that I hope he'll tell us about that got him started.
They live in Roxboro and he is an insurance agent and married to Jamie and
has two younger boys. So welcome Scott and Chad. Glad to have you
guys, and we'll just play a quick disclaimer and bring you in. Okay,
good to have you, Chad and Scott. Appreciate you guys being with
us this evening. Thanks for having us. Yeah, you bet man,
you bet. I. I know that there's a lot to talk about and
and I'd love to start just by asking each of you in turn, how
did you ever get started in this whole bigfoot craziness? And Scott, you
had mentioned something about a Mike mountain biking experience. Tell us what had happened
there. Yeah, basically, I was just I just met my wife to
be and we were looking for things to do and and she was making good
money at the time, and I was a big mountain biker. One of
the reasons why I moved out here from Nebraska was was the you know,
skiing and the mountain bikes and that sort of thing. So I was trying
to find an easy trail for her to go on because she's not as crazy
as I am on a mountain bike. So I got grabbed my mountain bike
book and found this place called they called it the Glacier Lake Trail, and
it's about it's about seven miles north would be west of Boulder, because she
was living in Westminster, so we would went up there one Sunday afternoon.
It was September fourth, and yeah, I won't bore you with the details,
but I basically went out and I had been watching Monster quest if you
guys remember Monster Quests, Oh yeah, way back in the day, and
and so I was kind of interested in it at that point. But she
got fell back behind me a little way, so I was on a precipice.
So I just picked up two softball sized rocks, hit them together expecting
something and nothing ever happened. But we went out to the six mile mark,
came back the next the remaining six back to the truck, and everybody
had left this little area. It's kind of a cul de sac at the
base of Sugarloaf Mountain if people know where that's at, and the trail is
called the Switzerland Trail, and so there was only one vehicle there when when
we got back, it was somebody in a subreu wagon who had a larger
dog and this dog was absolutely freaking out. So this person it was about
I don't know, one hundred feet away or so, and the dog was
freaking out trying to get up Sugarloaf Mountain. And I didn't think anything of
it at the time. And then they left and I was unloading the mountain
bikes and my wife got in my truck at the time, and something growled
at me from the tree line, and it absolutely it shook my core.
And it was about when I measured it off, it was about ninety foot
away from where I was standing. Wow, And I you know, at
that point I had I absolutely had to figure out what this was. And
at that point I was I was just hooked. So you didn't think it
was a lion or anything like that. No, No, it sounded like
it was in my ear. And I turned around, like I said,
a big foot days like fully expecting to see a you know, the devil
himself and there was just nothing right. There was nothing so big, a
big, deep strong. Yeah, my wife didn't hear it. My wife,
he didn't hear it. Was she in the in the car already,
That's why she didn't hear it. Or Yeah, it was getting kind of
cold. It was about forty five degrees and we were wearing shorts, so
she jumped up in there to get something else on. And and uh,
it came from kind of my my four clock position, So I didn't really
I wasn't looking where it was at sore when you got in the vehicle.
Her and her family ras my my ass for for you know, uh,
you know, years until they until I started really getting into this and and
they started believing me. Okay, you know, so that's kind of how
I started. That's a great start, the big growl to start it all
off. Oh yeah, h how about you, Chad. So I was,
uh, I was into this as a kid. You know, I
was always fascinated bout paranormal things, even as a young young child, read
read all the books and so Patterson Gimlin film and and and then you know,
got a little older and really didn't think that much about it. I'm
from Louisiana. We moved to Colorado in two thousand and one, my wife
and I did just for for the lifestyle. And again, you know,
when when I would hear something Bigfoot related, I would kind of pay attention
to it, you know, there was something on TV or whatever, but
really didn't think that much of it. And then I I stumbled across another
podcast. I don't know if I could say it on here, but it's
another podcast. It's quite popular, and I started listening in and I just
went all in and and they were advertising expeditions in East Texas out in the
Big Thicket between uh, pretty close to the Louisiana state line. And I
knew that area a little bit as a kids. Very wooded, very thick,
and a lot of activity down there. So I went and I had
a sighting my first expedition the last night, and Ben Luck, Yeah,
oh yeah, absolutely. It was a normal, normal side, but it
was a good one. And I think this is where the seed was planted,
of of something being unusual about these things, Jim, because I saw
it. I'm looking at it. It was kind of behind a tree.
I couldn't see him that way up. I could see the build okay,
and and you know it's against bout three am, and uh, I lowered
my thermals, I didn't trip. I took two steps and came up again.
He was gone, and there was nowhere for this guy to go,
you know there was. I should have heard it crashing away, you know,
busting through branches. Didn't hear any thing. So it came back to
Colorado and it was funny. Uh, similar story to Scott's wife. My
wife was like, oh, you got it out of your system. That's
great. They all know that the hotels get back to work, you know,
absolutely, So then got to have paired up with the BFRO here.
Actually, I went on one year night hikes gym when I was kind of
early in this thing, and that's where I'm gonna do, and started going
on BFRO expeditions, met Scott and some other good friends too, and then
over time, you know, it was invited to become a field researcher and
investigator. And then now Scott and I have actually taken over the Colorado expeditions
as well. So last year we ran the first one, but we've taken
over them going forward. Well, I may have to join you guys on
one of your expeditions. Now, yeah, I never never did get to
go with Dennis full when when he was doing them. So have you taken
over from Dennis to do those now we have? You know, Dennis is
kind of the godfather of the Colorado BFM row. You know, we certainly
have deferred him, and he's still coming, by the way, So Dennis
comes and last year, yep, we we started the we started the expedition
off by running footage out in the woods. You know. We have a
screen set up and ower bank and a projector so that people get to see
really good footage of squad activity that Dennis has and then he explains it and
whatever. So he's still definitely involved. But we we we always say we
learned from the best, and he is. Yeah, so you guys organized
it now pretty much? Okay? Good, Well I can't think of two
guys who do a better job than you guys, So that's awesome. And
the I saw a comment here, I wanted to back up to Daisy Renee.
Everyone should stay open minded one hundred percent degree. When I when I
started my talk on Saturday, I said, after saying what I did about
doctor Meldrum, I said, here's the reality. There are no experts because
we have nobody, we have no bones. We have one movie. Pretty
much comes down to one movie, and we have one set of vocals from
the seventies in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and that's pretty much it. We've
got a lot of little pieces of stuff and footprintcess, but we have no
definitive proofs. So none of us can say, well, you are one
hundred percent wrong, because I've got a body and I know what I'm talking
about. We've got our opinions, that's what we've got, and so I'll
be the first to say my opinions are my opinions based on some things that
I've I've experienced in my own research. But I would never want to tell
anyone else you're wrong, and they cannot be what you think it is,
because I think I think that's that's why we are where we are, with
the division that we've got within the big Foot community. So Jim, go
for it. Go for it. That you know, we've been talking about
this last few years as Scott and I and some of our other close friends
too are our views on this has changed from you know, Relic commented or
undiscovered primate to something different. And we've come to accept that some questions just
don't have answers, which is absolutely you know, and we talked about this
than the expedition. It's like the more we do this, the more experiences
we have, but oddly, the less we actually know. I'm up the
citing number three now, right, and I feel like, I know,
I almost felt like I knew more when I started, you know, now
this far in, at least we thought we knew more when we started.
Eight years in, I feel like I know, oh my god, you
know your guess is as good as mine. Sure, sure, And that's
a valid point, Chad, And I think you know it's there's just unfortunately,
there's, for lack of a better term, there's a lot of bad
blood right now in the big Foot community, and people who will get up
and publicly publicly name someone else and malign them and their work. And I'm
thinking that's just not necessary. We We've got so much to do without throwing
darts at each other and being ugly. And and what happens is people watch
that happened and they think, gosh, what's up with that? I mean,
what's up with you? Guys, and so it leads a bad taste
in everyone's mouth. And to be honest, I mean, that's just it's
just arrogance. If we're doing that to other people, it's just arrogance because
we don't know, we don't know what we don't know. Chad, you're
right, and and Scott tell me take us into a little bit of where
you guys are doing some of your research. I know you got in an
area, don't need to know where it is, but we'd love to know
some stuff that's happened there from you guys side. Yeah, so the spot
everybody knows about the flat tops pretty much by now that that was the staple
big bf RO spot to go Dennis and Dennis up there, yep. And
I think there was a guy named is it Foster, I'm trying to remember
his name. He was Frank, not Jason, No, I want to
say Ken Foster. Anyway, he was one that that really developed that flat
top area. And I think it was an early report in like the two
thousand and four, two thousand and five, and then they started going up
there and pretty much that place was decats now for basically from two thousand and
five. My first expedition was in two thousand and nine. Actually Moneymaker was
at that one when he was really doing these and he brought about a quarter
million dollars worth of equipment on that on that one. Pretty is it still
active up there my opinion, and Chad may have something different, but there's
certain spots up there where we think that something happened up there that kind of
ruined it. And I think it part of it is is a lot of
people go up there now party in race hell and and they know about the
Sasquatch and and they we we we basically conditioned them to you know, come
come around our tents at night time. And if somebody goes up into the
spot where a lot of some people might know what the meat pit is,
it's a basically a logging road that the dead ends that that that was about
a quarter mile base camp where we used to get you know, gift shut
out, beef liver and all that stuff, you know, the stupid stuff.
Well I thought it was because because you guys were going to be the
meat, but yeah, it it twenty seventeen. It was a different vibe
up there. And when we went into the spot where we used to camp
one of our buddies is in law enforcement. We kind of surveyed the area
and somebody had dumped a mag of forty cows with a half with a half
burnt fire. So my point is is we think that they got used to
us up there and went in with somebody else and it freaked somebody out and
they unloaded a match. Yeah, and it just wasn't the same. Now,
Chad, you had some thermal sighting up there, I think in nineteen.
I wasn't after I did. It was nineteen or may have been twenties
kind of thing, but I was in twenty I did have a good thermal
sighting too, and I saw one run up a hill and it was interesting.
As I was, I was using my thermal. So Dennis Fole and
his family and some other friends were camped, you know, to the to
the east. We had the remains of a campfire almost directly in front of
me, about one hundred yards give or take. And I was watching the
campfire with my thermal and a squatch popped up from behind it, you know,
kind of a classic, the classic shape, and it is. My
first reaction was, this must be one of Dennis's crew. It's one of
his family, right, And then he took off running up a hill and
I was like, I don't think yeah, And he started on two legs
and he switched to four. But he scrambled over this hill, and of
course I'm thinking, right back then I should hit record. Oh man gone
just as he just as he got over the top, just as something like
my brain is registering I'm looking at a sasquatch, you know, And then
he's over the top of that hill. For any of us, Scott and
I are both in pretty good shape. I mean, for us to take
a dead run at this, it would take a few minutes, you know,
to the top. Yeah, and four or five seconds gone, you
know, and then other strangeness there too. So we also had I believe
this was nineteen or twenty. Uh we were. We were actually hiking at
night towards the base of the little flat top and a ufo, a glowing
globe of light, maybe the size of a beach ball, just came cruising
through the trees, making no sound, pushing nothing away. It was just
a huge bright ball of light, almost like a rescue flare, you know.
It was that bright, and everybody's yelling, you know, UFO and
just kind of went through the trees and then went up over the top of
the little flat top. How close was it to you guys when it when
it went thirty yards? Oh wow, okay close. I mean we were
lit up by it as it went wow wow. You know. And so
this this starts to get into the other the other center, the paranormally.
We don't we don't quite know what we're dealing with here, you know,
and there's this correlation of causation. Yeah, yeah, I don't think I
answered your question, Jim. Sorry, I got off on the flattops.
But basically our new spot is was a report that I took, I believe
in twenty nineteen, and we just started checking it out. It's on the
southern side of Colorado. Now, okay, we call it Tango Mike,
and it's it's uh. It was a deer. There was an el kind
who spent about sixteen years down there, and he just had an incredible sighting
at about thirty yards and or actually thirty feet, I guess, and the
amount of detail he gave me was just unbelievable. He was up about eleven
thousand foot on the eastern face of this mountain and all done up in a
gilly suit. So he was he was glassing for elk up there, and
he he was eating ritz crackers and salmon and just glassing down looking at a
bear down the valley, and the bear disappeared. So he's just sitting there
and out of it on his left hand side came a relatively small sasquatch that
came out of the tree line. And the amount of detail this guy gave
me on it, I was just blown away. So Chad and I went
down there with some of our buddies and we just started, you know,
looking into it, and I think we've had about five different class as down
there right yet We've got some good ones, you know. We had one
of our friends, the guy we mentioned who's a cop, he saw two
at the same time. Scott Scott's seen one that he nicknamed Peggy Bundy from
the Married with Children because of its hair and then because he had a huge
head. Yeah, peaked up behind a tree. But again back to the
strangeness. When I spotted to me whipped around, he was just gone,
yeah, you know, like I think that again, like the Texas siding,
I should have heard him crashing right you were just gone. I heard
one crunch and that was yeah, And how do you explain that? Logically?
I mean, yeah, logically you should have seen that this was a
thermal again, yeah, logically cheap one. Yeah, you should have seen
that thermal image moving away? Hear it? See it? How does how
does the heat signature just disappear? And I'll add when this's happened, I
called up two other buddies who also had thermal They came running up and I
was like, I've got one. You know what, we got it?
And uh, nothing nothing. If it's been a porcupine or something that seen
darting away, it's gone. Well, and you know, it's I understand
why any of us want to kind of keep our primary research areas more hush
hush. It's and it's not. We all acknowledge that this is national forest.
People are going to be going through there who don't know us, don't
know anything about what we're doing. They're gonna be camping there, hiking there.
But I think, I don't know, what do you guys think about
this? My my feeling is sasquatch understands intentions. I really sense that.
And so someone who goes in with the intention of trying to find sasquatch in
a research area that someone else has been working. Is different than a guy
just hiking through or biking through who doesn't know anything. It's not looking for
anything. I think the intentions of somebody else coming in is what may bring
confusion or cause the sasquatch if they're shot at, as you said, Scott,
to pull back and to say, WHOA, I'm not interested in that
and so and I obviously that person. I'm wondering if that person who shot
up in the flattops knew that that they were up there and kind of went
up there with that intention of seeing if they could kill one or something.
I don't know. We had looked at that that and he might be right,
Jim. It looked to us like it was panic fire. Okay.
By that is we think they came up to these folks in the meat pit
and somebody just freaked out and started starting blasting, you know, because there
were It's not an ideal place to do some target shooting anyway. Fine,
look like like somebody just came out like pu smoke, something's here. I'm
just gonna start popping all rounds and I might add that that that in two
thousand and the year before that was probably the most intense night of my life.
They they came in, there was two of them, and our buddy,
we'll call him RL got touched through the tent Okay and the Sasquatch.
It's so dark back there. We went to bed around uh midnight, and
he was getting touched to the tent at twelve fifteen. Yeah, it doesn't
me yeah, but so that that's what creeps me out the most is they
were there, they were watching Yeah, they were watching me, watching us.
And then you know, I asked him, you know, are you
hearing this footballs around the tent? And he's like, yeah, I just
got touched to the tent. And the weirdest part of it is he fell
asleep immediately after that. I and I stayed up for the show and it
was an hour and fifteen minutes long, and I finally had enough of it
and I just said hey. And the weirdest part that really got me scared,
that had me getting my or actually his forty five is when I said,
hey, that thing kept walking, didn't break stride nothing. Do we
have a recording of that? Is that one of your recordings. The one
I sent you was was in two thousand and nine. That was in twenty
sixteen, okay, but it was very similar. The one that I from
two thousand was a heavy footed one and it ran by the tent covered about
one hundred foot about two and a half seconds. And at that time I
did not have a cot, so I was sleeping on the floor of the
tent and I actually felt it the ground move and it was probably at least
twenty to thirty foot away from the tent when it did it so big,
big thumping as it went through. Oh, it's incredible. But the one
in twenty sixteen was more. The only way I can explain it is that
the footfalls were almost like they were walking on gel pads. You could hear
them going, but it felt like they were somehow the footfalls were muted,
but you can still tell it was bipeedle And then I started hearing two of
them. Then I started getting really, really nervous. And it's amazing how
they can make a huge racket when they want to, and they can be
completely silent when they want to, where they make a huge racket coming up
to your tent, and then you never hear them leave and you're thinking,
well, they're still here, but they're not. They they'd moved away silently,
completely silently. So yeah, just say when you when you want us
to play one of these recordings, and we'll play it and we can talk
about it. Yeah, you can. You can see if you if they
can that football one, well if you can hear it, it's still a
little light. But okay, it was back in my pre parabolic days.
So it was just a straight uh a normal mic and asden mike. But
you should hear two thumps and then uh bump them. So let's listen hard.
Yeah, turn it up use ther bugs. Yeh Was that the right
one or is that one that was? That was the Ohio Ohio howe that
we heard up there, but same spot that's flattops. Okay, mm hmmm,
mhm mm hm m hmmm mm hmmm. Right, right, that's probably
good you can get so that you was that was that some crack snap cracks
you could hear out there. No, that that was a different spot.
So that was that was our tangle mic in southern Colorado there, so that
was the wood Knox that what do you think, Chad, I mean almost
every time we go up there, it's we get awoken by those in the
morning. Typically yes, And so we had one of our campouts two years
ago Scott had to leave. He was actually having some difficulties with his gem.
It was Sunday morning. Uh, I heard no less than and once
it and actually, Jim, it's one of the few times that I've been
a nerve and it started because it woke me up, you know, I
just I could start hearing it in a low cup and you could tell it
was changing sounds slightly, so be here they would be here that it would
sound a little different. And then it just kept going. And my friend
Tanner was in another ten. I yelled at Tanner, are you hearing this?
And He's like, yeah, So did they stay at a consistent distance
from me? Or are they moving around knocking? They were, they were
pretty far away. So where the we have the so within Tangled Mic,
we have another camp site that we've nicknamed a Patchy Point, and there's a
story there too, But a patchy Point is where the magic happens. For
sure. Anytime where there something goes off, whether it's sociding or some kind
of other proximity event. The pint. Yeah, we'll tell the part of
the story, Sach. But the but the knocking, it had moved.
It was outside of our our view, but nearby. And you could tell
they were hitting different things because some some knock would be very sharp and then
others would be a little muffled, like they'd hit a rock tree, you
know. And it went into kind of a semicircle around us, and then
it just stopped, you know, it was over. I couldn't tell you
what it meant. So what's the pine cone story? Go ahead, Chad,
you were there. So our friend, who's uh, now this this
gets a little interesting as well. So our friend is in law enforcement,
and there's a there's a follow up on this too. We're camping there,
and he was going through a rough time. He lost his mother and so
he was, you know, he was kind of ready to get out in
the woods and and you know, just hang out with the fellas and do
our big foot thing. But he was probably he was a little raw at
that time, I you know, that's the best way of describing. And
and it seemed and this was the the night before the or two nights before
the twenty five thirty would knocks but I was looking at him, he's looking
at me, and a pine cone flies over my shoulder. And it wasn't
something that fell from a tree because he's wearing a ball cap. He's looking
right at me. I saw it hit him in the nose. It was
an open pine cone, not a green pine cone. It was. It
was an open one, but kind of small, you know, like a
squirrel had chewed it. And uh, those are hard to throw. It's
like throwing a whiffle ball. Oh yeah, yeah, yeahs you explanted,
you know. And uh and I had a five hundred lumen predator light.
As I turned to look, my light dyed. He hadn't even been using
it, you know, like there's no reason she's been dead, just nothing,
you know, it's crazy. Yeah, And that was just, you
know, one of those other little data points of strangeness in the same location
too. We have heard the best way to describe it would be almost like
tribal or American Indian drumming. And we've heard it. Uh, and this
is an extremes. It's a commitment to get there. It's not like there
could be maybe some I don't know, so some other folks in another you
know, another Mountain over doing this, you know, scared drumming at night
or whatever. It's very rhythmic, and it sounds like it's like a Native
American vibe to it. It's the best way I could describe it. We've
also heard we would describe as nineteen forties radio traffic up there, like first
base, you know, and very very interesting spot. It is interesting.
So the pine cone in the face in the dark yep, okay, yeah,
place is weird. Yeah, well it sounds like it, I mean,
weird, weird, exciting. You know. Are you guys usually armed
when you go? Yes, so when I take people out. I've gone
back and forth on this because I really have come to the conclusion after twelve
years that Sasquatch doesn't want to hurt me. That's not their intention. If
they did, they would have hurt me a long time ago. They don't
need to respect this little thin filament called a nylon tent, you know.
And they you get inside it, don't they don't come busting in. They
don't drag you around in your tent. I mean they could do all of
that, they just never do. They may push on it stuff, but
but and they don't come charging them when you're sitting around the fire either.
I mean, we can't see anything out there in the dark, and so
so I really discourage people from bringing I carry a gun and I've never used
it in twelve years because of bears and lions. But my concern with other
people carrying a gun is just what you said about the You thought these people
were fear firing. Last thing I need is a couple of guys in an
on an I hike pull out guns and start blazing away because they're scared to
death or something like. That's how people get killed there really is. So
but do you just out of curiosity, do you think it would make a
difference if you weren't armed. I'll start it there first. You know,
we've been armed one hundred of the time. Uh. The exception is the
expeditions because that's a rule. But we're armed one hundred percent at the time.
But we don't we're not projecting anything, you know, you know,
we carry side arms. We might have a shotgun in the truck that for
the same reasons you described, Jim. You know, we don't target shoot
on location at all, big million, you know, so we are definitely
is more peaceful. M hm, yeah, yeah, I mean just firing.
I think it is about the worst thing you can do as far as
discouraging him from coming in. So well, let me let me uh was
there another recording we were going to listen to Scott if you can find the
footfall one that was in the Flat Tops that was in two thousand and nine,
so whatever the the other one was that you have it played. So
we've had the wood knocks, and we've had the yeaho real distance, ohiohi
okay, h yep, and that's the and I felt on the ground the
big thuds. Oh yeah, it was. It was it was bananas,
you know. I listening to that, I'm thinking, my my recordings sound
just like that, and I'm thinking, there's gotta be a way to have
recording that doesn't have this sound over everything, this static electronic noise. I'm
like, there's gotta be a recorder. Maybe it costs a million dollars,
I don't know. That's just you hear silence until something else is in the
in the sound, and so it's one thing that there's wind and stuff,
but it's just that's not when that's just over static, you know, frustrates
me to no end. Yeah, it's our audio guy though. He's really
good at cleaning up, you know, and he's very patient with it,
you know, and if he thinks he has something, he'll he'll yeah,
yeah, definitely, you have to pull out filters and do a bunch of
stuff. But if you put too many filters on it, then it starts
sounding digitally and it doesn't then you lose the essential sounds that you're trying to
keep. Yeah, well let me let me switch gears for a second here,
just because I want to make sure I get you guys opinion on this,
so excuse me. So there's been a shift, a growing shift in
the bigfoot world where I was listening to an interview between Steve Isdall and Rich
Jermau recently, and they were both talking about how are you familiar with both
those guys? Yeah we've met them, Okay, So yeah, Rich and
Steve stall is how to hunt up in Canada and he's he basically just reads
emails and but he's had many encounters himself, and and both of them are
saying, yeah, we're convinced that they are they're not single dimensional creatures,
they're not physical only they are both and uh and I find that that's that
opinion is a growing trend in the Bigfoot world. And I would say that
that bf r O has been synonymous in the past with you know, physical
only no no paranormal aspect. And recently Matt Moneymaker came out with a statement.
I haven't read the statement myself, I've just heard about it. Anything
you could you could tell us about Matt or what maybe a change in his
mind about this, you know, I don't know. I picked him up
from from his hotel on the last Bigfoot thing in Estes and he really didn't
say a whole lot. I think he's pretty rigid on his ways. I
mean on what he's seen. I mean, he saw one years and years
ago that looked like a he said, look like kind of like a Native
American. Yeah, and you know, came up to a campfire. I
believe with him. But you know, you can't really dismiss this wou thing.
I mean, you know, if I if I was going to talk
about a few different things, that really head So back in the day,
we set up two trail cams, pointed each other up in the flat tops,
pointed down at this watering hole kind of a creek, well, we
had had a motorcycle battery on one of them. We had sea batteries in
the other one, all brand new, charged up to the hill, and
we went back to check them in the morning and all we saw were white
overexposed white, and they went off at the same time, drained the batteries.
This battery, this battery thing, this electronic thing that's draining batteries.
I've had my jeep battery drained and it's a geil cell. It's an optima
gel cell. What's draining a gel cell? Right? You know? The
electrical problems just drive me bonkers. I've had equipment just like Chad's go down
like his light fully charged. You get out there, they're fully charged.
Yeah, it's unreal. Thermals do the same thing. What else you know,
the disappearing footfalls or or something that my peg Bundy did that was almost
thirty foot away from Chad and it ran from left to right and it made
noise for about twenty yards or so, and then nothing, and I saw
its head moved between an opening red like peg Bundy's hair, about seven foot
at least off the ground, and it went and then turned up up the
hill disturbed the ground but made no noise. I know idea how they do
that. When that happened, I was facing Scott. We were looking at
each other, and I saw you know, like like like behind you,
and it happened so quickly. I whipped around. Nothing. I heard one
crunch, you know, of course off of their you know, what can
we find and we're looking all around? You can imagine if we if we
weighed a thousand pounds and we try to go through the woods silently, never
going to happen, never going to happen. There's one comment, let's put
that that mirror comment back up there from Tennessee, Kentucky Bigfoot. I've seen
a couple of people do this. What do you guys think about this method
of pointing a camera out a mirror so that you're not actually filming anything,
you're filming behind through the mirror. Is could that be away maybe to capture
sasquatch on film when we haven't had much luck at that so far. I
don't see why. I mean, yeah, I think you try about anything,
and I'm starting if we're starting to get into the wou thing, I'm
starting to think that they know your intentions. If you can't trick them.
You just can't. It's futile. And if you've ever listened, you know,
we talk about different researchers. Todd Standing comes up and a lot of
people think he's a kook and all this business. But I just listened to
him on a Red Pill interview, and that guy makes a lot of sense.
Now, a lot of what he says makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, he thinks are more telepathic. He thinks that they can they can
kind of read you. And I think I'm starting to believe that. I
really do think about it too, Scott. A lot of our experiences we've
had together, you know, or we've had with other friends, and it's
like, you know, with our friend uh r L when he had the
double sighting and I wasn't with you guys, but you guys were actively looking
for them. But it happened very quickly, you know, he went radically
and he did and so so these guys were hiking on a trail and he
decided, I'm going this way, and he just did. So he did
something a little different, and he spotted a brown one and a white one,
you know, splitting up. Yeah, and a lot of the other
sightings we've had have been like that. Just quick we've done something a little
different. I'm a big believer in thermal devices because if they if they are
here, are they're in this plane or this dimension of however we want to
do that, and they are physical at that point, they can't hide from
that. If they're around, you can spot them and it's passive, it's
not emitting anything, it's just receiving. Yeah, that's right, And you
can see a lot of cool things here. There's other animals that are around
their need device anyway, you know. But if they're around and you can
catch them in the viewfind or you can spot absolutely that whole mirror trick.
And I'm I'm kind of in the same opinion as you, Scott, that
we can't trick him. I've tried. I've taken little one inch square HD
camera, yeah, and clip it on a chair around the fire and then
point it at our camp at our tents, which were about thirty yards away,
and in the morning there were two other chairs sitting there that had stuff
in the seats. In the morning, only one chair was pumped over the
one I put the camera on and the camera was gone. It was nowhere.
I looked everywhere, and so it's like, how do they know that
little thing is Yeah, I don't know how they know that it's a camera,
you know, unless Stroud try to hide them in under logs, and
I mean, you would never have known that as a camera and they never
walked in front of it. Yeah. Ask Dennis Bull how hard it is
to catch things. You know, he tried for five years in Kentucky to
catch that habitation spot. And how he had to go about tricking him to
get DNA for the Ericson project was Yeah, it was incredible, just incredible.
Yeah, and he does have some amazing footage he's kind enough to show
on on our expedition. I will say this too, and I'll uh this.
I'm gonna leave this as a mystery for now, but we do have
a device that we've been using the last couple of years that will bring them
in and they don't seem to like it that much. So so the response
might be a little bit negative, but it has worked so oh interesting.
Yeah, he ain't gonna be able to leave it there. I'm gonna come
back at you some time later figure out what in the heck you're talking about.
But yeah, I mean, this is this is why we need interaction
because if every bigfoot organization and researcher around the country we're talking, man,
we'd be light years ahead of where we are because people are trying things that
other people haven't tried and work and didn't work. But we're reinventing the wheel
over and over and over because nobody talks about their research because it's like,
this is mine and I don't know if it's because we think we're going to
win the Nobel Sasquatch Prize or you know what, what is the reason for
that, But it's just this possessiveness. I mean, I sell maps in
my store where I'll plot on there every single sighting we've had in Park County
and you can buy the map and you can go figure out where they are.
Why do I do that? Because it's not going to make any difference.
They're not going to chase sasquatch away. Hopefully they're not going to go
shoot at them. That's my only concern about doing this. But I also
want to educate people. That's a big part of what we're doing in the
at the outpost and laser pointers. I've heard of people using them to show
other people where they see a sasquatch. They didn't point it at the sasquatch,
but they pointed it in a direction that said, okay, just to
the left of where I'm pointing this light. I've seen people that had laser
lasers that are weapons. Actually, if you've shined it on the snow,
will melt the snow. So you shine that is something's eyes, it's gone.
Their eyes are gone. I mean, so, I don't know what
are your guys thoughts about laser pointers. I think anything that's a light of
any sort is a show stopper, so we don't use them. I agree,
Yeah, we might use some of that in an absolute last ditch defensive
measure gym, but for spotting things. Now, I agree on hundred percent
of Scott and Yet and yet, how many times have we actually had to
use our guns against the sasquot or you know, yeah, zero, me
neither. But they're nice to have the gym. Yeah, well, well
we feel better. It's just our own insecurities. We feel better having a
gun on our hip. You know, Jason franken Know has had his gun
up against the forehead of the sasquatch that pushed his face into his tent.
And the reason it didn't fire is because and it was chomping. I mean,
it was making noises that sounded very aggressive. But he thought if I
it was like, you know, this far away from it, if I
shoot this thing, I know there's more of them in the camp, and
that's gonna be that's gonna be my demise, I you know. And he
may have been right. If he had killed that Sasquatch, he may have
been killed. And as other people in the camp with him, he had
other friends that were camping there that didn't know what was going on. And
so yeah, a lot of questions. And I'll watch other researchers. You
know, I if if you guys, if you two guys suddenly disappeared without
a trace, I'd have to say, I'm gonna have to reevaluate this,
old Jim, if we do, please put this on your map. Last
last last point scene was at this location a big foot hat. Yeah.
Have have you guys ever seen their eye glow at night? Scott has Yeah,
I have no view? Were yeah if that area or no, this
was up at sugar Loaf, so that this was okay. So I was
obsessed after that. So I went out and got a five hundred dollars.
Uh what was it called a night owl fifty to fifty something or other and
night But yeah, so I put it on a tripod, and I'm here
to tell you I was absolutely fricking terrified to go up there. I would
go up there at night on weeknight, I'd go up and spend the night
with my my girlfriend or wife to be and in Westminster, and I would
go up there in my truck and I would go a mile in on that
sugar Loop trail and just post up and just pan around with this thing out
of the back out of the back window, the cold snack window of my
truck, and uh, if something would hit that truck, I would have
gone It's straight through that. Yeah, I mean I was that high strong.
But I did get some eye shine and I think I showed it to
you guys at the at the Bigfoot deal and Estes Scott, we did get
some eye shining Oklahoma. But yeah, we did, Yeah, we did.
Yeah. So Scott and I have access to hone Toby, Oklahoma,
which is kind of the famous place, well known kind of like, yeah,
a friend of Marzon's property there, So we've been down there a few
times. It's pretty much NonStop activity. But we did ride around in scottch
g on a timber lease that's down the road from our buddies property. It's
forty thousand acres. It's pretty big and he has access to it because he
hunts there. And we were shining the predator light. We did hit a
few times where something looked awfully big and bright and separated. You know,
So this wasn't like a predator light or something. Yeah, it's just a
red light that you shoot out. We do use those kinds of lights for
location, like we're going into a new spot where we're paying in the woods
for to see if we can get the eye eyeballs. And I'll tell you
that one when we went by that big six foot tall tired tractor or whatever
that was, when we saw those eyeball eye shine, that was crazy.
Ye Now, what if you shine that predator light on a deer will it
reflect back as well? Yeah? Yeah, So have you ever seen eyes
in the pitch black with no lights whatsoever? Our buddy r L has That's
what his original was up in the plattops and thirteen he saw them and they
they illuminated, may like self illuminated. Yeah, we've seen fifteen at one
time, all their all of their eyes illuminating and watching us from the woods.
It looked like a bunch of flashlights in the woods because we were pitch
black. All we had was an old military gray green night vision device that
an army guy ex army guy had that was there with us. And but
when you if you put your iPhone up to his eyepiece, it was hard
to do. And it's really hard to figure out which of those three lenses
on your iPhone is the one that's supposed to be, you know, shooting
the video. But if you can get it up to the lens on that
night vision thing and see one of those lights and then and then zoom in
with your fingers, it was it came out too. And so yeah,
I mean, I think I've seen eye glow with no light maybe a dozen
times now. And the reason I think I'm seeing it more now is that
I know what to look for, Whereas for the first six seven years I
was doing this, I was probably passing by them and not because and I
tell people on our night hikes and camping trips, it's out of your peripheral
vision, you're going to see it. For some reason, our eyes,
human eyes, we see better out of our peripheral than our direct line of
sight at night, and so if you're looking straight on, you won't see
it. But as you turn your head, you're going to catch a glimpse
of a light in the woods. And you look back again and it disappears,
and it looks strange, but you kind of have to do this.
You kind of have to be looking out of the corner of your eye because
you can see a light here because your rods and your cones pick it up.
But you turn towards it and it disappears. And so if once you
figure out where it is, then get a pair of regular binoculars and then
try and zoom in on it and lo and behold, there's two eyes.
And but they're usually way back in there, and you're seeing it through a
bunch of foliage and so, but the fact that you can even see it
because they're emitting this light, and people are like, well, how can
they do that? I don't know, How can they do anything? They
do? I don't know. But it's like Disneyland when you're out there and
you see it. It's like, there's no way they're doing this. How
are they lighting out of their eyes? And uh, you know that's one
of the mysteries. If they ever get a body of a sasquatch that they
find dead, hopefully we don't have to kill one. Studying their eyeballs is
going to be a miracle to see what's inside those eyeballs, I'm telling you
so a great Yeah. We noticed that that sometimes there's a a crescendo of
activity where you know, where things start happening in the evening and especially down
there at at a tangle Mike at a Patrick point, and it will increase
as the night goes on. Especially we notice if we kind of try it's
hard to do, but try to ignore them a little bit. So if
someone's having behind Scott and I'm like, there's something going on there, but
if we whip around right, we'll get quiet. But if we just leave
it alone, a lot of times they'll start to increase, and then they'll
get a little more bold, and then a rock flies in the camp and
then a branch gets broken, and it's just like it's like, you know,
if somebody's alertic to a cat and they go and visit a friend who
has a cat, they try to ignore it. They'll crawl over their face,
the same kind of thing. Yeah, ignoring them where you're not letting
on that you see what you see or what somebody saw, and sitting in
your camp and saying, hey, Chad, off to your right, don't
look, don't look off to your right, there's something there, and eventually
you can kind of, you know, just kind of casually look over and
see. But yeah, I think they they like feeling. My guess is
they like feeling like they're fooling us, that we're not seeing them while they're
watching us. Definitely, any other thoughts from you guys on this whole paranormal
aspect to sasquatch and what do you do when you're on an expedition and somebody
says to you, nah, they're an ape, that's all they are,
and they can't be anything more, anything less. I think everybody's got to
come up with their own decision on that one. I mean, yeah,
it's just a deal where the more you're in this, the more you go
that direct action, because there it gets more fuzzy. It's just yeah,
yeah, And I think it's because the more experiences you have, the more
correlations you get. Like with this whole electrical thing, you know, a
person just going out every now and then, oh my battery died, that's
kind of weird. But when it happens tenth pricking times, it's like something
is going on here. It's it's not it's just yeah, it's well wild.
It's just like you said earlier, Chad, the more we learned,
the less we the less we know and understand. I really feel that way.
We have one of our participants who's come out of the last few years
is a a neurosurgeon for North Carolina. It comes out of this a really
nice guy, and we had gotten the subject to the paranormal and he was
like, you know, like you know, just you know, not really
debating or arguing, but just not you could tell he's not a cup of
teeth. And that's fine. Sure we're not there, you know. And
so for people of Scott and I and you, we've had enough experiences now
to know that really common undiscovered primate just doesn't matter. Up we are dealing
with something else. If somebody for them, yeah, and there's no need
to try to get into a big argument over it because you know what you
know. I know what I know, at least I think I know what
I know. But you're not going to convince somebody by arguing when they start
having experiences, then they might be convinced. So if you can take them
to a place where they might be able to have an encounter themselves on your
expeditions, and I know some people have. Dentist has told me about people
who come there, they want to see us a squats, they see went
through a thermal, They go back to camp, they pack up and they're
gone. That's happened a couple of times. It is not what they not
what they thinking, you know, it's uh, oh my gosh, they're
really there, you know. And so yeah, I which no judgment there,
I get I just I just wish for them that they've been able to
hang around and see more instead of instead of bolting. But you know,
you get it, you get it. There was a comment here, let's
see, uh this one Bigfoot has a show like this, the bout Emans.
Yeah, the Sasquatch podcasts. They've they're they're going off and it's it's
a telepathic thing, you know. They do their show telepathically and they're all
out there like all those humans. They think they got us figured out.
I have no doubt. I have no doubt. And I love I love
that sense of humor. That's awesome. Yeah, we've heard them. We've
heard them laugh a couple of times when something would have and in camp that
that they took. It's very funny. Have you guys ever heard that.
I don't think i've heard a laugh. We we have heard some pretty good
samurai chatter though. Yeah, that's crazy. And you know, I don't
doubt that they that they're talking about us when we're hearing that, and they're
close enough, they're close enough to be talking about us because they've been maybe
watching and they're they're communicating between a couple of them. But yeah, you
think it's people, right, Initially it sounds like people talking back there and
mhm, it's it's it's a mix between Mandarin and and Captain cave Man.
Yeah typically yeah, right, yeah, No, I agree that it sounds
like no, And I'm sure have you guys ever had the experience when you're
out hiking or squatching and you hear voices up ahead and you think, oh,
there's some hikers coming around the corner, and you wait and you wait,
and no bad shows up. Yeah, exactly. You can't understand the
words, but just like you can't if a bunch of humans were just far
enough way, you could hear their voice, but you can't understand what they're
saying. So Captain Caveman, Yeah, we're gonna have to name a sasquatch,
Captain Caveman. They've probably named us all anyway. So one thing too.
You know, we go for it up in August and we have lots
available if anybody's interested. Good yet, we this is a serious subject,
but we don't take ourselves too seriously. We have a good talk. You
know, we joke around, we have fun, we eat well, we
hike a lot, and we don't dismiss anything. So somebody says, hey,
man, I heard this, or I think I saw this, or
I might have seen this. What let's discuss it. You know, we're
we're we got there with a very open mind and people are welcome. And
again we laugh at ourselves to something hilarious always happens to somebody, you know,
no matter what. Well, let me ask you two questions. How
can our folks find you guys, do you have your own website for your
own research that they can look up or we don't. They can go to
the BFRO dot net page and look on the expedition link. Okay, that's
where your expedition will be advertised. Yeah, okay, good, And we're
getting ready to close it out. We like to get it all closed out
fairly early so we know who's coming, what we need to bring. A
lot of times we'll denis will make elk stew and stuff like that. So
we need to get a good head count. And we've been trying to keep
them to thirty five people. In the past. We've had these things at
sixty sixty and it's like herding cats and it's it's unproductive. No, I
agree with you. There where what part of the state do you go to?
We're basically south central right now, and you know it used to be
the flat tops up in the kind of northwest, but it's everywhere. These
things can be anywhere on the I agree on the western two thirds of the
state for sure, and our edition, Jim, roughly, we're about four
hours southwest of Colorad'sboro. Okay, we'll leave it there. And so you
said there is some room left for your August trip. I think we've got
about nine nine slots. Okay, well, just for any of our folks
who are listening. Uh, these are guys I trust. I trust Dennis
as well. If you go with them, you're in good hands. So
I wouldn't say that about everybody, but these guys, I think you you
can trust them and their experience. So yeah, I encourage you to sign
up if you if you have time. What are the dates in August August
A through the eleventh, okay, arriving on Thursday, departy on Sunday.
We're going to be out there most of that week, actually, so we
do a couple of reconnaissance campouts ahead of time, make sure we're the people
can come a bit early, and we don't guarantee sightings of course, but
we will tell you this. You will have fun and you will meet a
lot like minded people. Good, great people. Good. Let's do one
thing real quick with the chat room. I'm just curious Wayne and I were
talking about this afternoon. If you guys would just put under your name where
you are right now, where are you listening from. I want to get
a quick demographic of our chat room. So just put I'm in Louisiana,
I'm in Arkansas wherever you're listening from, just so we can scroll down and
see. I'm really curious. I'm in Bailey. You guys are in Roxboro
and four Collins. Okay, so we got Brownsville, Texas, Chesterfield,
Virginia, Evergreen, Colorado, Illinois, Castle Rock, North Glenn, Indianapolis,
Ontario, Denver, Windsor, Colorado, Houston, Texas. Oh,
this is a real spread. This is great. Just so you guys know
as well. Ship Rock. Okay, that Washington State. Hey appreciate you
guys putting this in there. This is great to see. So hopefully people
are getting to now they know you guys a little bit, and they can
they can come on, come on an expedition. Mount Washington, Kentucky,
of course, Kenda, Texas, Prescott, Arizona. Wow, this is
awesome. So everywhere there's like twenty one expeditions on there too, so there's
a ton of different ones. Okay, good all over the Yeah, well
they know you now, I'm sure I'm sure they're gonna want to go on
yours. So hopefully you can fill up your spots and uh and same for
us. We got some expeditions coming up, and we still have some spots,
so you can go to Sasquatch Outpost dot com and look up the rabbit
Hole Adventures tab and see everything that we've got and Jim, if you want
to make it, oh thank you. I will look at those dates and
see if I am got my own stuff going on that those dates are not.
But uh yeah, yeah, I can't think of anything more fun to
coming with you guys and Dennis on an expedition. It would be a blast,
absolutely be fun to see how someone else organized this something for once.
Well, thank you guys both for being with me and sharing some of your
knowledge and expertise. I really do appreciate it and look forward to when we're
going to see each other again, maybe this summer on an expedition anytime you're
up in Bailey. Obviously, if I'm come into the outposts, I may
or may not be there, but it's always good to see you guys.
And thanks for grabbing me at Estes Park and let me know that you were
available for the show. So it was fun. Thank you, okay,
and for our crowd. We'll be here next Tuesday. And I've got a
friend that I met and the cryptic guy who's going to be with us and
until next Tuesday night, keep on squad s. There's ship the ships sh
at de ship sh