WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.199 --> 00:01:30.719 At at. Tonight's guest is Adolf Santa Stephen. He goes by ad though 2 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:38.280 Ad welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, good afternoon. You threw 3 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.719 me when you said good afternoon because it's night here. But then again, 4 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:45.959 you're way out west, so there's a three hour time difference. Thanks for 5 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:51.040 seeing that. Anyway, Ad please give us a brief bio on yourself. 6 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.400 Basically, I'm a outdoor person. I like going up in the mountains fishing. 7 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.640 Used to like camping quite a bit. When I go fishing, it's 8 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.599 only during the day. I have to be home before it gets stark. 9 00:02:07.919 --> 00:02:14.360 For sure. I can't drive at night. But yeah, I like exploring. 10 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:23.039 I like listening to bigfoot stories, thunderbirds, dog men. I'm always 11 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:29.520 a curious person. Anywhere I go, I look down for tracks on the 12 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:35.520 sandbar or trails. I'm always looking around, and I always take a lot 13 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:39.879 of photos with my cell phone, but once I get home, I always 14 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:46.199 zoom in on it all the time, and even everybody else's photographs excited up 15 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:53.199 finding stuff that they missed. And most of the photos I take is because 16 00:02:53.360 --> 00:03:00.919 I get a feeling that something's there or something's looking at me. So those 17 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:06.879 are the areas. I take photos a lot, so I always end up 18 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:15.560 finding something that's strange. And yeah, there's one spot I need to go 19 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:21.120 to by court right. It's an overhang. There's a big X in there. 20 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:27.719 Looks like there's two statues and two boulders that are rectangle shaped and with 21 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.639 a flat section on top. And it's about a mile away from the road 22 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:37.159 and only way you could see it is from top of one of the domes 23 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.199 granted domes, and I just happen to be taking photos and that's how I 24 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:46.560 found it by zooming in in that area later on. And I need to 25 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:53.159 check out this area. It's like a megalist type structure. I don't think 26 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:59.280 anybody's ever been there. I Google Earth that area. There's no trails to 27 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:05.039 it. What's however, I don't see no trash or anything. This place 28 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:10.719 is old. But that's one of the places I want to go pretty soon. 29 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:18.079 And hopefully when Alan Thomas, when Swatch Zone gets better, we could 30 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.759 use as drones so we don't have to walk all the way to it, 31 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.720 maybe part of the way and then use the drone to zoom in on it 32 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.800 find out what's there. But yeah, I always been a curious person. 33 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:36.079 I got Navajo in me also, so to me, that's a big plus. 34 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:42.319 Makes me more aware of what's around my surroundings. Yeah, I like 35 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:47.600 outdoors big time. Considering all the experiences you've had, I'd say it's a 36 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.600 good thing that you're very aware of your surroundings because you've got quite the collection 37 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:57.759 of experiences. Ad you're here tonight because you saw the same big dog mean 38 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.959 last week's guest hoaviersaw. How far was the spot where you saw it from 39 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:09.519 where he did where he seeing it? Probably two and a half miles Yeah, 40 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:13.519 about two and a half miles up the river where I was at. 41 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.120 Yeah that's not that far then, No, not at all. How much 42 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.680 time had gone by when you saw it compared to when he did. I'm 43 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:31.920 trying to remember the time she told me about it. I'll say about probably 44 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:36.639 about six months, so that much time had gone by. How did you 45 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:45.160 meet Vier? Actually I met him through I used to be interviewed quite a 46 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:50.079 bit with Paranormal Central, did Jeff Garcia. He has a show here in 47 00:05:50.160 --> 00:06:00.199 Presno called Paranormal Central and uh in fact, he's the one that try to 48 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.800 find us because they heard about our story. And this is before we even 49 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:09.879 started making a movie about it, and he tracked us down. He heard 50 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:14.319 about our story at a party. Ended up it was one of my co 51 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.279 workers at work that told him the story because he co worker spost to have 52 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:24.240 gone with us camping, but at the last minute he decided not to go. 53 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.360 Good thing, but yeah, there s must have been one other person 54 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:30.399 he didn't make it. Then we end up telling him the story, went 55 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.839 to a party. Jeff was there. He's related to him somehow, And 56 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:43.639 then Jeff tracked us down and our first interview was Paranormal Central. Yeah, 57 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.560 I'd say it was a good thing they didn't go camping with you that time. 58 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:48.800 We're going to get into that while we're saying that, after we talk 59 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:54.240 about you talking and encounter though. Yeah, that's a pretty detailed story right 60 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:59.839 there in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah, definitely me and the hobby 61 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:04.879 here. I met him to Paranormal Central, and uh, yeah, we 62 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:11.560 just started liking the places that he was doing. And me, I'm quite 63 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.399 a bit older than he is, so a lot of these places I already 64 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.480 knew before he went to him, So I started showing him some of the 65 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:26.439 places. Me and Allen start showing some of the places that were kind of 66 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.480 tripped out, and then he expanded from there and started doing his own thing. 67 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:35.160 But uh, yeah, Jaber is a really good guy, nice guy. 68 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:43.040 He showed us some interesting places I didn't know about about some rock painting. 69 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.600 You should ask him about that, that's his story. And he took 70 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:57.079 us there and it's a big panel of old rock paintings and there's also a 71 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:07.959 thunderbird painted on there, pterodacle type bird that's painted on this big rock and 72 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:16.000 it's probably about fifteen feet across. It's a pretty good design and it's old 73 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.120 and whoever painted it, they did it on the right area to the's facing 74 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:26.279 east. All our storms come from the west and it has a slight overhand 75 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:33.519 hang, so it's protected by the weather and rain and areas that aren't protected. 76 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:39.360 You can see where the red paint got washed away a little bit or 77 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.080 not as bright. But yeah, we end up finding that out on the 78 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.879 way back. We're trying to locate it because he heard stories about it, 79 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:54.159 and we're almost giving up. Started coming off that mountain, came around the 80 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:01.919 corner, looked behind this tree in awesome boom, there it was. And 81 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:09.840 then also there's there's a rock that looks like part of it was carved out, 82 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.080 part of it, not everything, but it's also painted and it looks 83 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:22.519 like a bigfoot that's painted, you know, hundreds or thousands of years ago, 84 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.840 and it's like from the shoulder above it shows like a bigfoot head right 85 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.519 there, and on the side of the face it has a picture of a 86 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:39.840 shawman. And I went to Google started looking at old Indian paintings and stuff, 87 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:43.720 and I found a picture of a shawman. Ended up it was the 88 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:50.679 same type of design that's on side of the bigfoot space. Wow, that 89 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.120 sure does sound like an awfully neat area. You're a lucky man to be 90 00:09:54.159 --> 00:10:00.320 living out there, all righty, do you please tell us about drink owner? 91 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:07.480 Now give us everal last detail that comes to mind? Alrighty. One 92 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:13.720 day, well the day before actually, I called up Alan Thomas. He 93 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:20.960 has his own show called Squatchstone. So we always end up going out driving 94 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.600 places, checking out places. We really can't walk really that good. His 95 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:30.279 knees are bad and I got one bad one, but I tried to do 96 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.799 the best I could. So I called him up to just take a drive, 97 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.519 you know, bring your drone in your cameras and we'll go out exploring 98 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:48.320 again. So we decided to go buy Pine Flat dam Albocata Lake area Kings 99 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.240 River, which is all within the same area ten square miles easily within that 100 00:10:54.320 --> 00:11:00.879 area, and there's a lot of orange groves and lemon groves in that area. 101 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:07.600 So Gon in his car and started driving. We also heard of bigfoots. 102 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:13.120 They like hanging out in the lemon groves and orange groves and it's easy 103 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:16.960 for them to hide in there. You know, you have to look down 104 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.799 the roads a lot of times. If they see you, hear a car 105 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.120 coming, they'll just hide behind a tree. You don't even know they're there. 106 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:26.279 So as we're driving, we're always looking between the orange groves, you 107 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:31.120 know, and lemon groves and see if we could find anything. But we 108 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:37.720 never do. But there's been reports of them being in that area. So 109 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:43.039 as we're driving, we're always checking out places and stuff. We see deers, 110 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.399 we'll stop. We'll take a video of it or a photo of it 111 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:52.039 special because I could show my daughter. She likes animals, so we always 112 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:56.639 stop there's any kind of animals. But as we're driving down Belmont Avenue. 113 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:05.440 We live in Presto Countyifornia, and we're driving toward Pine Flat Dam and the 114 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.360 road starts getting kind of weavy, a little bit not bad. On the 115 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.519 left hand side of us, after the Orange Groves its foothills. To the 116 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.440 right is the river, which is a little downwards past the Leming Groves. 117 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.120 So as we're driving, there's a sharp turn and there's a turnout right there, 118 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.080 so we got out. We're going to check out the places, and 119 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:35.159 we're always looking for footprints, any kind of animal tracks. We always try 120 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.559 to figure out what it is. But there's a trail that goes to the 121 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.399 top of the hill, which is about two hundred feet or so two hundred 122 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:48.240 feet of a walk, I mean, but on a straight line. It's 123 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.200 probably about sixty feet above our heads, I think, but it's about two 124 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.960 hundred feet walk. And so we're going to walk up there, and I 125 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:03.600 don't remember if we're being used to drone or I think it was too windy 126 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.279 and we didn't use it. But we're looking for tracks, and I told 127 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.240 him that I was going to go behind the Lemon grove and the river. 128 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:18.519 Right there's a dirt road for tractors carry their the boxes of lemons and oranges 129 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.440 to the packing house, which is on the other side, about a mile 130 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.279 away or so. But I walked off this hill and climb over a fence 131 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:33.159 get to that dirt road. Now on the left hand side of the road 132 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.159 is the river. But between me and the river there's ornamental plants that people 133 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:41.559 plant it. Well, I guess the owner did. He had some plants 134 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:46.279 there I never seen before. And I went to Riley College for horticulture and 135 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:52.240 forestry, so plants always touch my interest, so trying to figure out what 136 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.120 kind they are. So after I look at the plants, I kept on 137 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:03.480 walking west and I'm looking down for tracks. Alan stayed up there at that 138 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.799 time. He couldn't walk very good, So I kept on walking. And 139 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.720 there's an embankment that goes down to the left that goes down I don't know, 140 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:20.399 eight feet ten feet something like that, and kind of like a steep 141 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.360 angle, and I'm using a walking stick, and there's all kind of dry 142 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.320 grass that's probably about two feet tall two and a half feet tall, and 143 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.759 there's a somewhat of a trail and you could tell us not used very much 144 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.240 at all. So I started walking down toward the river, which is only 145 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:46.879 about seventy five feet away, and I could hear the water, the rapids 146 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:54.200 and the trails split up into a te or y. I was gonna make 147 00:14:54.200 --> 00:15:00.120 a ripe, but I've seen all kinds of poison oak over there. I 148 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:03.000 don't want to walk to that. So I made a laugh. And as 149 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.679 I was walking, the trail goes upwards a little bit, about two and 150 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:13.279 a half three feet on this little hill of the embankment. Then it makes 151 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.360 a sharp right. So as I'm walking, I'm looking straight, so, 152 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.559 you know, thinking that the trail goes down and goes straight, but it 153 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.679 don't. It makes a sharp right. So as I got to the top 154 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.279 of the hill, I turned my head to the right. Well, I 155 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:35.120 look down, look at the trail. I see it turn to the right. 156 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:37.840 So I'm looking to the right, and all of a sudden, I'm 157 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:45.200 looking at a back end of something. I'm looking at it eye level. 158 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:52.919 I'm looking at the shoulder, the back muscles of the shoulder blades of something. 159 00:15:52.879 --> 00:16:00.480 And they had gray, whitish black hair, and it was like the 160 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.279 white was underneath, but you could see it, and the wind was blowing 161 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.720 a little bit, so it's like the inner part of the hair I guess, 162 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.360 and the tips are black, and the tips also had grayish but what 163 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.919 caught my eye was that white color first. And I'm going like, for 164 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:22.639 a quick second, I go, what you know? What is that? 165 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:30.519 You know? My mind's going so quick, And that thing did not hear 166 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.759 me because of the wraps of the water. I stuck up on it by 167 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:38.559 accident, and all this is going. It threw my head in a tenth 168 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:44.840 of a second real quick. You know, what is it? What is 169 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:48.320 it? You know? And then all of a sudden, I guess it 170 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:55.799 hurt me somehow. I felt I was there or something. And all of 171 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.919 a sudden, his shoulders starts turning, and I seen the edge of his 172 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:10.200 snout. It I didn't know what it was. And then I seen the 173 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:14.759 edge of that snout. But it wasn't like a gym or shepherd. It 174 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:19.720 was more like a pit bull. It was shorter a snout, it wasn't 175 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.960 pointy, but it definitely had a snout sort of like a pit bull. 176 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:33.240 And you could see the muscles on the back as it's turning, and I 177 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.680 seen the partial of the head and the snout, and right before I started 178 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:45.119 seeing the eyes, I turned around. I started running and I got a 179 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.960 bad knee. I fell down about fifty feet once I started running, my 180 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:56.039 leg my right leg gave out, got back up, started running, and 181 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.880 then I turned around, see it feels after me, But I couldn't turn 182 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:06.559 a good enough angle whereas I could see if itels behind me or not. 183 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:11.400 I just wanted to get out of there, and so I started climbing up 184 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.759 the side of the embankment. Once I got to the top, I turned 185 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:21.039 around, ended up. I didn't see him, but it was like a 186 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:25.480 Bucks Bunny cartoon when you're running and you're running, moving your legs up in 187 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:33.240 the air. That's what I was doing. And I just started trying to 188 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:38.240 run as fast as I could. And in high school and in junior high 189 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.039 I used to run a lot. I was a truck star back then. 190 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:47.079 But didn't tell you when you run a lot, you mess up your knees. 191 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:52.359 But yeah, I used to be a pretty good runner. But I 192 00:18:52.400 --> 00:19:02.759 started running and it's I'll probably running about fifty yards and I'm looking back as 193 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.039 I'm going, and I'm trying to grab rocks as i'm going, so just 194 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:11.200 in case it's behind me, I could throw it at it. So as 195 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.119 I'm running, I'm trying to grab something stop for a quick second when I 196 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:19.480 see a good sized rock. And I didn't look behind me. I was 197 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:26.799 just grabbing rocks. And finally Alan heard me screaming and stuff because I was 198 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:33.279 calling out his name and he's looking at me like what, you know, 199 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:37.720 what's going on? And I was breathing so hard I had to lean against 200 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:44.839 the fence posts and I had a hard time explaining to him at that moment, 201 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.480 so I, you know, to I catch my breath, and uh, 202 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:56.640 yeah, this thing was huge. I'm five feet nine so if I'm 203 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.920 looking at his back between his shoulder blades, add another probably foot in a 204 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:10.880 half, so he's probably good seven and a half feet tall, muscular, 205 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:17.440 big time. I didn't see his legs or anything because I started running right 206 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:23.359 when he started turning his head. It wasn't a bigfoot, It wasn't aware 207 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:30.839 of it was a dog man. Yeah, And I didn't smell nothing because 208 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.599 of the way the wind was blowing. So and I don't think he spelled 209 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:40.400 me either. I think he just felt that something was there. Yeah it 210 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:45.759 was. I won't go back there again, another place, not by myself. 211 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:52.319 Can't say I'll blame you after an experience like that, Wow, how 212 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.440 far did you say Alan was from you when you walked up on that dog 213 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:06.519 minnidy? He was probably good? How about three hundred feet away, maybe 214 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:11.960 a bit more because he cann't see me because the river starts curving there and 215 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.160 the Orange grove a little bit, so you can see me at that angle 216 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.799 to I was, you know, parallel toward him where he can look at 217 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:26.359 me down the road. But yeah, we end up going back and Allen 218 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:33.720 took some videos showing the place, and there's also been other reports fishermen. 219 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:40.200 Matter of fact, we're with Paranormal Center with his group because they he heard 220 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:45.480 stories of a dog man in that area. Also, So as we're down 221 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.480 there, we're between the living groves. There's a creek that goes through about 222 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.920 seasonal creek, but it ate up the soil over the years, so it's 223 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:00.680 down about fifteen feet. So we're trying to climb the side, get to 224 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:06.599 the other side of it and climbing. The bankman also in this guy and 225 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:11.920 the fisherman, he has all kinds of nice equipment, nice fishing vests, 226 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:18.559 two poles hanging off the edge, real good stuff that he had and they 227 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.400 asked him, you know, have you heard or seen anything strange over here? 228 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.599 He goes, oh, yeah, he goes, I don't know what 229 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:32.640 it is. He goes, but it walks on all fours and when the 230 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:37.200 deers start running, it gets up and runs on two. And he sees 231 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.559 it from a distance. And he is a fisherman we never met before. 232 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:47.880 I mean, he was calm and collected. But he said it had the 233 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:52.759 same color hair as the deer's, so it blended in with them when it 234 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.839 was laying down with them, and the deers were not scared of him. 235 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.799 And that caught me kind of that. Why would they hang out with them 236 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:08.240 unless that dog man was a pup and hung out with deers and it grew 237 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:12.680 up with them, I don't know. But he said it's tall, and 238 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:18.480 it walks on too, but sometimes it walks on all fours. And he 239 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.079 said it's it's not a dog, it's not a deer. I don't know 240 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:29.359 what it is, but he's seen it a couple of times and he's aware 241 00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.440 of it. He's the one that told us about it. And reason he's 242 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:38.559 going to a pond that's behind the orange orange live in the packet house, 243 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.200 and I googled that area ended up there is a pond there and there's a 244 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:48.599 small dam, and he said he always goes fishing there because he catches his 245 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:53.599 limit. All the fish gets stuck right there behind the dam, so as 246 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:56.480 he's going home, he's stuffed by there, goes fishing for a while, 247 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:02.000 takes it home and happy for dinner. He said. If he's had more 248 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.160 than one running with that dog man and he still goes into that area, 249 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:10.160 he definitely doesn't frighten easily, does he. Yeah, it was. The 250 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.720 river splits up right where that hill was at the King's River, and there's 251 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:21.079 an island and the King's River they end up meeting together down the road. 252 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:26.799 So it's really hard to get into that island, and it's pretty dense. 253 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.839 I can't even zoom in on anything. There's just so much trees and shrubs 254 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:40.960 and everything that you can't really see if there's any structures or anything. So 255 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.200 if anything wants to hide, that's the place to do it. And the 256 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.240 dog man poly could walk across the river with no problem, and that's his 257 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:56.279 hiding place. No human could walk across that river. Sounds like the perfect 258 00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.920 place for d hag out. Yeah, and that's probably where they're hiding at, 259 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.359 And that would be a perfect place. There's no roads, no trails. 260 00:25:03.880 --> 00:25:08.000 You have to cross the river to even get in there. And that's 261 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:12.480 probably where he hangs out at. And he the dog man, probably didn't 262 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:17.680 hear me because of the wraps of the water. And that's the reason I 263 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.519 was able to snuck up on him by accident. And he was only about 264 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:27.640 six seven feet away clothes, Yeah, real close. That's the reason I 265 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.480 ran. I wasn't about to stick around. Yeah, he probably would have 266 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:36.599 got me right then and there. Yeah, he probably just got as scary 267 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:40.559 as I did. He probably went across the river. That's the reason I 268 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:45.720 didn't see him running behind me, because he got startled just like I did. 269 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:51.079 I ran one way, he ran the other. He probably never seen 270 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:57.039 him before. That's funny. That would be awfully funny if you did wind 271 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:02.039 up startling him when he finally elizes that you were standing there, did he 272 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:06.559 jump like it did startle him as he was turning around. Now, you 273 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:11.119 just turn around slowly, his head and his shoulder first, his shoulders start 274 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.759 turning, then his head. And as soon as I seen that perfect angle 275 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:21.920 of that snout. Oh no, I'm out of here. And the hair 276 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:29.200 was probably about four to six inches long straight. It was in a well, 277 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.519 at least on his back. It was in you know, wavy or 278 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:37.559 anything. That sounds like something straight out of a nightmare. I've had nightmares 279 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.519 like that where you're behind the monster and you're terrified it's going to turn around, 280 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:44.880 And for you to be six seven feet behind that dogged me and all 281 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.799 of a sudden it slowly starts to turn. I can only imagine the thoughts 282 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.039 going through your head. I never thought about that way. Yeah, it 283 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.920 was just like a movie. I mean it was he just caught me off 284 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:02.400 guard big time, and I caught him off guard or her or whatever it 285 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.119 was. But yeah, now I think about it, I think it ran 286 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:10.440 across the river, and I ran the off the direction. That's the reason 287 00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.960 I didn't see it behind me. You might be right, but I'd be 288 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:17.640 surprised if it actually did run across the river. Sounds to me like it 289 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:22.279 didn't startle it. It just stayed right there where it was or just moved 290 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.920 off. But I'd be really surprised if it startled it. You even mentioned 291 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.200 that it didn't jump or anything. Like that when it came to realize you're 292 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:34.680 there, just slowly turned, so I don't think it did frighten them. 293 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.240 Yeah, you're probably right, because I didn't stick around to find out for 294 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.400 sure. I know it wasn't following me, and I'm happy about that. 295 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.319 I don't blame you. Don't blame you at all. Now, Ad every 296 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.640 time it seems like you have an eyewitness come on the show and talk about 297 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:56.440 an experience like this, where there you are there the dogman is seems like 298 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.640 there are tons of people who pose a question. Okay, if you're that 299 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.799 close to the dog man, I don't understand why you didn't take a picture 300 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.680 of the dog man. So I want to give you the opportunity to address 301 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:15.960 that crowd who's wondering that right now. You know you're you're so startled, 302 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:21.640 you don't believe what you're saying. I mean, the first thing you want 303 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.240 to think about is protecting yourself. You don't even think about taking a photo 304 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:33.279 trying to prove anything to anybody. You just want to I mean, it's 305 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:40.039 an act of nature. You have to survive, So you need to get 306 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:44.039 out of there as fast as you can, so you could tell the story 307 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:49.440 later, you're not worried about taking photos because I didn't have a chance anyway. 308 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.720 I was running. As soon as I seen the nozzle that snout on 309 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:59.440 it, I was gone. So yeah, the last thing you want to 310 00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.680 think about is taking a photo. You know, unless you're a distance from 311 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.480 it, you know a good distance and you can zoom in on it. 312 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.279 Great, But when you walk up to it and six seven feet away from 313 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:17.960 you, that's the last thing you want to think about. You just want 314 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.920 to save your life. Oh of course. Anyone who can't understand that, 315 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.759 I just don't know what to think about them, because yeah, it's only 316 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.559 common sense. Yeah, definitely. Now, if you wanted to take a 317 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.640 picture of it for whatever reason, did you have anything on you that you 318 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:38.960 could have done that with. I had my cell phone in my shirt pocket, 319 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.359 but I didn't pull it out or anything. I was gone. Oh 320 00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.000 of course you were. I don't blame you. Anyone in the right mind 321 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:53.759 would have been gone. You didn't know anything about what you're walking up on. 322 00:29:55.480 --> 00:30:00.559 Bam, there it is. So that's totally understandable. At that time 323 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:07.079 you have no concept of taking a photo. Well, of course you didn't. 324 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.640 It's like the same thing. You get a cat, you put a 325 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.400 pot of water, and you put the cat over, you drop it. 326 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.599 As soon as the cat hits the water, it jumps out and runs away. 327 00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.559 Basically, that's the same thing I did. You know, you see 328 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:27.839 it and you're there's no thinking, you know, oh, of course not, 329 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.839 No, you just react. Yeah, that's natural. I'm a little 330 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.119 confused on this. When you walked up on it, was it crouching or 331 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.799 standing up straight? Now I was standing up straight, but hunching over a 332 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.920 little, so his back was his shoulder to the top of the head was 333 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.440 hunched over a little bit. I don't know if he was looking for blackberries, 334 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:59.319 because there's BlackBerry bush right next to it, and they were in season, 335 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.839 so it was probably getting that's what it was trying to get, unless 336 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.240 it was trying to get a fish. But when we went back later explore 337 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.240 that area, a lot of the grass was growing in the water, so 338 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.359 unless a fish gets stuck in there, you know, maybe he was standing 339 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.160 up from bending over trying to grab something, but I don't think so. 340 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.240 I think he was going for the BlackBerry bush right next to him. Could 341 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.559 you tell if it was actually standing in the water or if it was definitely 342 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:36.279 standing on the bank. It wasn't standing in the water. Could you tell 343 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.279 if it had anything in its hands at the time, No, No, 344 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:45.400 I didn't even see the hands. I'll bet you didn't. And I understand 345 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.599 why. The only thing I seen was between the shoulder blades. There was 346 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.440 at eye level, and it was standing about two and a half three feet 347 00:31:53.480 --> 00:32:00.680 below me, and I'm looking at the back. And as soon as it 348 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:05.519 started turning his shoulders, I seen the snout. I was gone. I 349 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.519 wasn't about to stay any longer. But it was standing up for sure. 350 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:14.240 Yeah, I bet you were setting some land speed records that day. Since 351 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.680 you got such a good look at its back. Were there any specially anatomical 352 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.920 features about its back that you could tell us about. You could see the 353 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.920 muscles when it started turning back. You could see every muscle just standing out 354 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:35.599 in the back and on the shoulders and uh on. The head had longer 355 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:42.759 hair, had longer hair, probably about six to eight inches something like that 356 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:50.680 from the forehead going backwards, or the angle that I seen about the forehead. 357 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.160 Because I didn't see the whole head, so I seen parts of it. 358 00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:04.119 Because I was I was dumbfounded. So I seen it start moving and 359 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:13.119 it's like, what is it? It took me a you know, hundreds 360 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.599 of a second, but it seemed like it took forever trying to diagnose what 361 00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:23.720 it is. But it was muscular, big time, and the snout had 362 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:30.920 a little darker color on. It had more black and the shorter black hair. 363 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.720 And it wasn't like a Germman shepherd. It was just like a pit 364 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:49.359 bull, shorter snout that prolonged out. It didn't look like no big put 365 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.119 or Now this was totally different. You said it felt like you're standing there 366 00:33:54.119 --> 00:34:00.200 for ages. Thinking back on it, how long do you think you actually 367 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:06.400 were standing there? Okay, right when I got to it looking at it, 368 00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:15.760 maybe two seconds even that I was gone. I mean he's only seven 369 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.119 feet away, you know. The longest part was me looking at his back 370 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.239 trying to figure out what it was. So it started turning his shoulders. 371 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:28.880 Then I seen the snout at that angle, and he wasn't totally turned around 372 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:34.000 yet. I just seen enough and I turned around to start running. I 373 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.000 wasn't about to stick around. You're probably cracking forty miles an hour getting back 374 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:45.840 down and calling down. Yeah. When I got to the top of the 375 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.320 embankment. That's where I hurt my knee. Even more so, I was 376 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.360 running more of a with the limp once I was on the flat ground, 377 00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:01.719 but I was still running. But yeah, I yeah, I want to 378 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:07.239 go there again unless I go with people. Well, I can understand that. 379 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.159 If you were only about three hundred feet or so from Alan when this 380 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.239 happened, did you ever think about shouting out for him? Oh? I 381 00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:20.239 was as I was running. Also, you were yelling the whole way, 382 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.960 and not just when you got closer. No, you couldn't hear me anyway. 383 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:27.920 I was trying to yell, but I was so out of breath, 384 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.320 you know, I was making horse sounds out of my head, out of 385 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:44.599 myself. I could talk with Zier what to get here was his name? 386 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.639 I bet you were, Yeah, I'll bet. I just wanted to get 387 00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:59.719 out of there as fast as I could, as safe as I could. 388 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.000 I out of there. I wasn't about to stick around and taking a photo 389 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:10.079 of it. There's no way. I mean, even somebody that was fifty 390 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:15.000 feet away Paul Wood, Iran and not took a photo of it. Oh, 391 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.559 of course they would. They're big, Yes, they are. Before 392 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.239 we continue with tonight's show, I want to make an announcement. I've been 393 00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:28.400 in contact with several content creators who interview dog Me and eyewitnesses, and I've 394 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.599 arranged what I call five Nights of dog Mean Encounters. That means, from 395 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:36.639 tonight until Halloween night, every night at nine pm Eastern Time, you're gonna 396 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.400 have new shows of dog Me and related content to look forward to, and 397 00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.679 on every night except Sunday night, there's gonna be a ten pm show as 398 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.519 well. To see a schedule for all the shows who are gonna participate and 399 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:51.199 find links to their channels, please go to the description for tonight's show. 400 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.119 A lot of good shows are gonna participate in the Five Nights of dog Me, 401 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:58.199 and so I hope you listen to their shows and of course subscribe to 402 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.199 their channels. All right, back to tonight's show. At the start of 403 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.119 the show, you said that you don't go out after dark. Is that 404 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:12.079 because of that encounter or another reason? No reason. I don't go at 405 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:17.199 night because of alien encounters I had in the past. So I don't drive 406 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.920 at night whatsoever. Street lights scare me because I don't know if it's really 407 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.320 a street light or it's something else, if it's a different type of light 408 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:34.599 that's showing out. But yeah, I don't. I have to be home 409 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:38.480 before it gets dark. Only time I drive when it's dark, it's going 410 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:45.679 to work and that's early morning. So yeah, because I have to be 411 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.679 at work at six. So that's only time I ever drives at night. 412 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.880 Whatsoever. Anywhere I go to have the plan to be at home before it 413 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.840 gets stark. Everybody knows that, all family members, all my friends. 414 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.440 So I don't even drive far anymore. If I do, I know I 415 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.320 have to time it, and I got a place to stay once I'm there. 416 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:14.679 Drive in at night, No way. I haven't done that since the 417 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.840 encounters I had. Yeah, considering those encounters and experiences, I don't blame 418 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.559 you for not going out after dark. And speaking of those, you're featured 419 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:28.199 in a documentary call ten eleven zero two. Do to those experiences. What 420 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.920 more can you tell us about it? Well, there's some stuff that are 421 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:38.599 missing because lack of time. The most we could go was one hour fifty 422 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:44.840 nine minutes. The movie's about fifty five minutes. Something seconds I forgot. 423 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:50.159 But if we put everything in there that we wanted to, probably would have 424 00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:57.400 been another hour. And yeah, there's a lot of stuff that will make 425 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:04.159 more sense on the movie if everything else was on there. I'll give you 426 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.239 some short little stories. There was three of us. Yeah, and everybody 427 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.960 out there check out the movies called ten eleven oh two. Write down the 428 00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:20.920 letters, not the numbers, and you'll see it in there. And yeah, 429 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.280 after we came back and everything. Kenneth he drove with me because I'm 430 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.599 the one that picked him up. And as soon as I took him to 431 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:34.280 the house he lived upstairs while apartment. He didn't even get his items out 432 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:39.800 of my vehicle. He got out, he ran and started calling out his 433 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.079 girlfriend's name. She opened up the door as soon as he got in, 434 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:50.400 and I was behind him. He started taking off his clothes. He left 435 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.159 his underwear on, but he started taking off his clothes. He's yellings, 436 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:58.920 grow up and check my body for marks, check my body, check everywhere. 437 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.679 She's laughing. You know, she didn't know what was going on. 438 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:08.119 And she's seen his face that you know, he was serious. And I 439 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.039 looked at her, I go, yeah, check him. He goes some 440 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:20.920 weird stuff happened up there, and yeah, he's yelling and she's checking every 441 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:27.599 part of his body if there's any marks or anything like that. And that 442 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.679 was the last time he went with us. He loves the mountains. He 443 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:37.079 was from Seattle, Washington. Matter of fact, he had UFOs chase him 444 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.599 while he lived up there. While he was on the back end of a 445 00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:46.280 motorcycle in Seattle, and he told me that they were going down the road 446 00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:52.159 and this UFO was right behind him and above him, and as they were 447 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.280 going down the street, he was yelling at people, UFO, UFO, 448 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:01.880 He's pointing behind him. But by that time he was already gone. But 449 00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.360 uh, it was after him right before they got to Seattle, so they 450 00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:14.639 were still in the country. And yeah, he started yelling when he got 451 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:20.280 to the first street light. But yeah, he uh, he had some 452 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.079 encounters over there. But yeah, after that trip, he didn't hang out 453 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:30.480 with us, and uh, he didn't want to talk about it whatsoever. 454 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.039 He ended up getting cancer. And we don't know if they had to do 455 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:43.159 with it, what happened as a trip or not. We have no idea. 456 00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:52.239 But yeah, he passed away. And yeah, poor guy, real 457 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.719 cool guy. Sounds like it really went through it. Yeah, he just 458 00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:02.280 likes the mountains outdoors. He likes a lot of Indian stuff. He used 459 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.840 to make things that give it to me. And he used to like gold 460 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.400 penny, which I do also at times when I do have time, I 461 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.079 go and I always end up finding more gold than him. And he used 462 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:22.000 to get mad at me to tease him. Look what I found, Tennis. 463 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.440 But uh, yeah, I used to tease him like that. But 464 00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:30.519 yeah, after that, he wasn't the same. Ken wasn't the same also 465 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.320 for a while. Now he's back to normal. Took a while, but 466 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.039 yeah, on the film where you see his eyes all bugged out and everything, 467 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:43.440 that's when he was in shock. Still. He was like that for 468 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:49.239 quite a while, and I was kind of used to it, so it 469 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.400 didn't affect me as bad as Ken. But on the film when it first 470 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.079 starts, you could see his eyes are all bugged out, he's talking really 471 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:05.079 fast normally. That's not him. That's a different Kim. Yeah, he 472 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.920 was still in shock. And that's all you wanted to talk about was that 473 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:15.639 trip. And I got tired of talking about it, you know, but 474 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:22.199 it happened, but you know it fixed me in different ways. You know, 475 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.079 I can't drive a night he could. He bought a house up in 476 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:32.119 the mountains, which I wouldn't have. Wow. He ended up selling it 477 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:38.480 later, but yeah, I mean it was sort of like his way of 478 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:45.599 facing the truth, being back up in the mountains and living there. We 479 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:52.039 went camping one time after that trip the same place, just to face our 480 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.599 fears. We only lasted one night. Nothing happened. It was just too 481 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:02.239 eerie. Didn't feel comfort ball no more. We just packed up in the 482 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:09.519 morning. You know, we're gone. But would I do what I did 483 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:15.320 over there? I made an alien rock man, so with granite rocks are 484 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:22.639 in that area I made on the ground. I made an alien with rocks. 485 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.440 So every time I go up there, I'll fix the rocks in the 486 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:34.000 right place because the snow and rain will move the rocks around. Yeah, 487 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:39.679 I always end up fixing it. And now I know a couple of people 488 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.599 that go up there that we met up there by accident. They recognized me 489 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.599 and we showed them the spot. Ended up they thought that was a spot. 490 00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.760 So we end up having a barbecue there, him and all his buddies 491 00:44:54.239 --> 00:45:00.079 and ended up they had a UFO encounter during that night. So they're telling 492 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:06.079 me about it, telling me and Ken about it, and one of the 493 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.079 guys just walked away. I go, what's wrong with him? Because he 494 00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.960 just want to hear it. He goes, he got mad at us because 495 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.800 he wanted to leave last night because of the lights, and they drove I 496 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.440 don't know where they drove from, but it was a lot farder than we 497 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.599 did, And he goes, no, we just got here. We're not 498 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.960 leaving because of some light. So he didn't want to hear our story, 499 00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:31.239 you know, especially being in the same camping spot, So he just walked 500 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:37.440 away. You know, he didn't want to hear whatsoever. But uh so 501 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.400 now they go there every time they go there. Now they go out there 502 00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.119 and fix the rock alien man that I got out there at the campsite. 503 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.280 So that's how people will find it. I noticed what you're saying about Kn's 504 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:57.400 eyes. At the start of the movie, they really were bugging out. 505 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.960 And as the movie went on and I started seeing again and again, I 506 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.199 thought, Okay, well, it looks a lot different there than he did 507 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:07.760 at the start of the film. So I was wondering about that. Yeah, 508 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.280 he was in shock. That part was recorded when we first started doing 509 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.960 the filming, and it took us like ten years to do this film because 510 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:22.880 we had to do it on my friend's nephew time. And you know, 511 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:29.239 he travels around the world doing films for people. So whenever he had, 512 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.880 you know, a little bit of time, he'll travel to Fresno and he 513 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.559 lives in San Francisco, So anytime he you know, I had a few 514 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.199 days, he'll come down here. And then that's if it matches my time 515 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:47.280 because I used to work a lot of overtime, so we had to match 516 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.840 everything right when we're doing the filming. And also on the filming, me 517 00:46:52.840 --> 00:47:00.719 and Kim were always interviewed separate and we never told each other what they're asking 518 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:06.519 us. So that's the reason on the film you never you never see us 519 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:13.679 together because everything I wanted to save my story I wanted can say his. 520 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.119 And then at the end of the movie when they start editing everything, see 521 00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:23.280 if everything matched up ended up it did you passed that lie detector test as 522 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.800 well? Even when we did that, I went outside so I want to 523 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:35.199 hear nothing and he did the same thing. So yeah, we're never together. 524 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.960 That's a really good idea. Yeah. The name of the documentary is 525 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.119 ten eleven two, like we said, and I'm going to put a link 526 00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.679 to it in the description for tonight's show. That'll make it real easy to 527 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.559 find. But having said that, it's about time for us to get out 528 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.800 of here. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd 529 00:47:53.840 --> 00:48:02.920 like to share. Yeah, there's a lot of things out there, or 530 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:08.639 energy or you know, different dimensions that we're not aware of. Some people 531 00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.280 are aware of it. You know, that's really sensitive, and I call 532 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.880 myself pretty sensitive, but not compared to a lot of other people. But 533 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:23.199 if you get a bad sense not to be in a certain area, don't 534 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:27.920 fight it. Use your senses. If it says not to go there, 535 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:35.320 don't go there. That's your your human part trying to tell you that there's 536 00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:39.440 something wrong. Yeah, just be safe. Always tell people where you're going, 537 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:45.360 never go alone, give them a timetable when you may be back, 538 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:52.639 or a rough idea, but always go by your senses at all times. 539 00:48:54.000 --> 00:49:00.480 Life goes on you just how you handle it later as from me, I 540 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:05.760 handle it by not going out at night at all. So that's my fear 541 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:10.679 of factor right there. But yeah, you just go day by day, 542 00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.920 keep going on with your life, but always remember there's something else out there. 543 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:21.800 That we're not aware of. That's right, there always is. If 544 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.599 you've had a dog meaning encounter, I would like to speak with me about 545 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.800 it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot 546 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.719 com and submit a report. If you've had a big foot sighting and we'd 547 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.960 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 548 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.719 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, it goes without saying. I 549 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:45.320 sure hope someday you can go back out at nighttime and not be so anxious 550 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.559 about what might happen or what might be out there, but please don't rush 551 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.000 it. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming on 552 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.559 and sharing the details of your encounter with us. I really appreciate it, 553 00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:00.920 pleasure meeting you. Well, it's great to meet you. Thanks again so 554 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:04.159 much for your time, and have a great night.