1 00:00:11,199 --> 00:01:30,719 At at. Tonight's guest is Adolf Santa Stephen. He goes by ad though 2 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:38,280 Ad welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, good afternoon. You threw 3 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,719 me when you said good afternoon because it's night here. But then again, 4 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,959 you're way out west, so there's a three hour time difference. Thanks for 5 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,040 seeing that. Anyway, Ad please give us a brief bio on yourself. 6 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Basically, I'm a outdoor person. I like going up in the mountains fishing. 7 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:02,640 Used to like camping quite a bit. When I go fishing, it's 8 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,599 only during the day. I have to be home before it gets stark. 9 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:14,360 For sure. I can't drive at night. But yeah, I like exploring. 10 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:23,039 I like listening to bigfoot stories, thunderbirds, dog men. I'm always 11 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:29,520 a curious person. Anywhere I go, I look down for tracks on the 12 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:35,520 sandbar or trails. I'm always looking around, and I always take a lot 13 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,879 of photos with my cell phone, but once I get home, I always 14 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:46,199 zoom in on it all the time, and even everybody else's photographs excited up 15 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:53,199 finding stuff that they missed. And most of the photos I take is because 16 00:02:53,360 --> 00:03:00,919 I get a feeling that something's there or something's looking at me. So those 17 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,879 are the areas. I take photos a lot, so I always end up 18 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:15,560 finding something that's strange. And yeah, there's one spot I need to go 19 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:21,120 to by court right. It's an overhang. There's a big X in there. 20 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:27,719 Looks like there's two statues and two boulders that are rectangle shaped and with 21 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,639 a flat section on top. And it's about a mile away from the road 22 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:37,159 and only way you could see it is from top of one of the domes 23 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:42,199 granted domes, and I just happen to be taking photos and that's how I 24 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,560 found it by zooming in in that area later on. And I need to 25 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:53,159 check out this area. It's like a megalist type structure. I don't think 26 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,280 anybody's ever been there. I Google Earth that area. There's no trails to 27 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:05,039 it. What's however, I don't see no trash or anything. This place 28 00:04:05,159 --> 00:04:10,719 is old. But that's one of the places I want to go pretty soon. 29 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:18,079 And hopefully when Alan Thomas, when Swatch Zone gets better, we could 30 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,759 use as drones so we don't have to walk all the way to it, 31 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,720 maybe part of the way and then use the drone to zoom in on it 32 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,800 find out what's there. But yeah, I always been a curious person. 33 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:36,079 I got Navajo in me also, so to me, that's a big plus. 34 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:42,319 Makes me more aware of what's around my surroundings. Yeah, I like 35 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:47,600 outdoors big time. Considering all the experiences you've had, I'd say it's a 36 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:51,600 good thing that you're very aware of your surroundings because you've got quite the collection 37 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,759 of experiences. Ad you're here tonight because you saw the same big dog mean 38 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:00,959 last week's guest hoaviersaw. How far was the spot where you saw it from 39 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:09,519 where he did where he seeing it? Probably two and a half miles Yeah, 40 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,519 about two and a half miles up the river where I was at. 41 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Yeah that's not that far then, No, not at all. How much 42 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,680 time had gone by when you saw it compared to when he did. I'm 43 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:31,920 trying to remember the time she told me about it. I'll say about probably 44 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,639 about six months, so that much time had gone by. How did you 45 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:45,160 meet Vier? Actually I met him through I used to be interviewed quite a 46 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,079 bit with Paranormal Central, did Jeff Garcia. He has a show here in 47 00:05:50,160 --> 00:06:00,199 Presno called Paranormal Central and uh in fact, he's the one that try to 48 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,800 find us because they heard about our story. And this is before we even 49 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:09,879 started making a movie about it, and he tracked us down. He heard 50 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:14,319 about our story at a party. Ended up it was one of my co 51 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,279 workers at work that told him the story because he co worker spost to have 52 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:24,240 gone with us camping, but at the last minute he decided not to go. 53 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,360 Good thing, but yeah, there s must have been one other person 54 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:30,399 he didn't make it. Then we end up telling him the story, went 55 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:35,839 to a party. Jeff was there. He's related to him somehow, And 56 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:43,639 then Jeff tracked us down and our first interview was Paranormal Central. Yeah, 57 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:46,560 I'd say it was a good thing they didn't go camping with you that time. 58 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:48,800 We're going to get into that while we're saying that, after we talk 59 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,240 about you talking and encounter though. Yeah, that's a pretty detailed story right 60 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:59,839 there in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah, definitely me and the hobby 61 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,879 here. I met him to Paranormal Central, and uh, yeah, we 62 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:11,560 just started liking the places that he was doing. And me, I'm quite 63 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,399 a bit older than he is, so a lot of these places I already 64 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,480 knew before he went to him, So I started showing him some of the 65 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:26,439 places. Me and Allen start showing some of the places that were kind of 66 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,480 tripped out, and then he expanded from there and started doing his own thing. 67 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,160 But uh, yeah, Jaber is a really good guy, nice guy. 68 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:43,040 He showed us some interesting places I didn't know about about some rock painting. 69 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,600 You should ask him about that, that's his story. And he took 70 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:57,079 us there and it's a big panel of old rock paintings and there's also a 71 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:07,959 thunderbird painted on there, pterodacle type bird that's painted on this big rock and 72 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:16,000 it's probably about fifteen feet across. It's a pretty good design and it's old 73 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,120 and whoever painted it, they did it on the right area to the's facing 74 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,279 east. All our storms come from the west and it has a slight overhand 75 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:33,519 hang, so it's protected by the weather and rain and areas that aren't protected. 76 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:39,360 You can see where the red paint got washed away a little bit or 77 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,080 not as bright. But yeah, we end up finding that out on the 78 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,879 way back. We're trying to locate it because he heard stories about it, 79 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:54,159 and we're almost giving up. Started coming off that mountain, came around the 80 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:01,919 corner, looked behind this tree in awesome boom, there it was. And 81 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:09,840 then also there's there's a rock that looks like part of it was carved out, 82 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:16,080 part of it, not everything, but it's also painted and it looks 83 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:22,519 like a bigfoot that's painted, you know, hundreds or thousands of years ago, 84 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,840 and it's like from the shoulder above it shows like a bigfoot head right 85 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,519 there, and on the side of the face it has a picture of a 86 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,840 shawman. And I went to Google started looking at old Indian paintings and stuff, 87 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,720 and I found a picture of a shawman. Ended up it was the 88 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:50,679 same type of design that's on side of the bigfoot space. Wow, that 89 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,120 sure does sound like an awfully neat area. You're a lucky man to be 90 00:09:54,159 --> 00:10:00,320 living out there, all righty, do you please tell us about drink owner? 91 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:07,480 Now give us everal last detail that comes to mind? Alrighty. One 92 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,720 day, well the day before actually, I called up Alan Thomas. He 93 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:20,960 has his own show called Squatchstone. So we always end up going out driving 94 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,600 places, checking out places. We really can't walk really that good. His 95 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:30,279 knees are bad and I got one bad one, but I tried to do 96 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,799 the best I could. So I called him up to just take a drive, 97 00:10:35,159 --> 00:10:39,519 you know, bring your drone in your cameras and we'll go out exploring 98 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:48,320 again. So we decided to go buy Pine Flat dam Albocata Lake area Kings 99 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:54,240 River, which is all within the same area ten square miles easily within that 100 00:10:54,320 --> 00:11:00,879 area, and there's a lot of orange groves and lemon groves in that area. 101 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:07,600 So Gon in his car and started driving. We also heard of bigfoots. 102 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:13,120 They like hanging out in the lemon groves and orange groves and it's easy 103 00:11:13,159 --> 00:11:16,960 for them to hide in there. You know, you have to look down 104 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:18,799 the roads a lot of times. If they see you, hear a car 105 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,120 coming, they'll just hide behind a tree. You don't even know they're there. 106 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:26,279 So as we're driving, we're always looking between the orange groves, you 107 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:31,120 know, and lemon groves and see if we could find anything. But we 108 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:37,720 never do. But there's been reports of them being in that area. So 109 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:43,039 as we're driving, we're always checking out places and stuff. We see deers, 110 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,399 we'll stop. We'll take a video of it or a photo of it 111 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:52,039 special because I could show my daughter. She likes animals, so we always 112 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,639 stop there's any kind of animals. But as we're driving down Belmont Avenue. 113 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:05,440 We live in Presto Countyifornia, and we're driving toward Pine Flat Dam and the 114 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,360 road starts getting kind of weavy, a little bit not bad. On the 115 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,519 left hand side of us, after the Orange Groves its foothills. To the 116 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:18,440 right is the river, which is a little downwards past the Leming Groves. 117 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,120 So as we're driving, there's a sharp turn and there's a turnout right there, 118 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,080 so we got out. We're going to check out the places, and 119 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,159 we're always looking for footprints, any kind of animal tracks. We always try 120 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,559 to figure out what it is. But there's a trail that goes to the 121 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,399 top of the hill, which is about two hundred feet or so two hundred 122 00:12:43,399 --> 00:12:48,240 feet of a walk, I mean, but on a straight line. It's 123 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,200 probably about sixty feet above our heads, I think, but it's about two 124 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,960 hundred feet walk. And so we're going to walk up there, and I 125 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:03,600 don't remember if we're being used to drone or I think it was too windy 126 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,279 and we didn't use it. But we're looking for tracks, and I told 127 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,240 him that I was going to go behind the Lemon grove and the river. 128 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:18,519 Right there's a dirt road for tractors carry their the boxes of lemons and oranges 129 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,440 to the packing house, which is on the other side, about a mile 130 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,279 away or so. But I walked off this hill and climb over a fence 131 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:33,159 get to that dirt road. Now on the left hand side of the road 132 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:37,159 is the river. But between me and the river there's ornamental plants that people 133 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,559 plant it. Well, I guess the owner did. He had some plants 134 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,279 there I never seen before. And I went to Riley College for horticulture and 135 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:52,240 forestry, so plants always touch my interest, so trying to figure out what 136 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,120 kind they are. So after I look at the plants, I kept on 137 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:03,480 walking west and I'm looking down for tracks. Alan stayed up there at that 138 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,799 time. He couldn't walk very good, So I kept on walking. And 139 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,720 there's an embankment that goes down to the left that goes down I don't know, 140 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:20,399 eight feet ten feet something like that, and kind of like a steep 141 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,360 angle, and I'm using a walking stick, and there's all kind of dry 142 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:30,320 grass that's probably about two feet tall two and a half feet tall, and 143 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,759 there's a somewhat of a trail and you could tell us not used very much 144 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:39,240 at all. So I started walking down toward the river, which is only 145 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:46,879 about seventy five feet away, and I could hear the water, the rapids 146 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:54,200 and the trails split up into a te or y. I was gonna make 147 00:14:54,200 --> 00:15:00,120 a ripe, but I've seen all kinds of poison oak over there. I 148 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:03,000 don't want to walk to that. So I made a laugh. And as 149 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,679 I was walking, the trail goes upwards a little bit, about two and 150 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:13,279 a half three feet on this little hill of the embankment. Then it makes 151 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:18,360 a sharp right. So as I'm walking, I'm looking straight, so, 152 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,559 you know, thinking that the trail goes down and goes straight, but it 153 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,679 don't. It makes a sharp right. So as I got to the top 154 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,279 of the hill, I turned my head to the right. Well, I 155 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,120 look down, look at the trail. I see it turn to the right. 156 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:37,840 So I'm looking to the right, and all of a sudden, I'm 157 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:45,200 looking at a back end of something. I'm looking at it eye level. 158 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:52,919 I'm looking at the shoulder, the back muscles of the shoulder blades of something. 159 00:15:52,879 --> 00:16:00,480 And they had gray, whitish black hair, and it was like the 160 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:04,279 white was underneath, but you could see it, and the wind was blowing 161 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,720 a little bit, so it's like the inner part of the hair I guess, 162 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:15,360 and the tips are black, and the tips also had grayish but what 163 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:19,919 caught my eye was that white color first. And I'm going like, for 164 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,639 a quick second, I go, what you know? What is that? 165 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:30,519 You know? My mind's going so quick, And that thing did not hear 166 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,759 me because of the wraps of the water. I stuck up on it by 167 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:38,559 accident, and all this is going. It threw my head in a tenth 168 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:44,840 of a second real quick. You know, what is it? What is 169 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,320 it? You know? And then all of a sudden, I guess it 170 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:55,799 hurt me somehow. I felt I was there or something. And all of 171 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:00,919 a sudden, his shoulders starts turning, and I seen the edge of his 172 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:10,200 snout. It I didn't know what it was. And then I seen the 173 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:14,759 edge of that snout. But it wasn't like a gym or shepherd. It 174 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,720 was more like a pit bull. It was shorter a snout, it wasn't 175 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:23,960 pointy, but it definitely had a snout sort of like a pit bull. 176 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:33,240 And you could see the muscles on the back as it's turning, and I 177 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,680 seen the partial of the head and the snout, and right before I started 178 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:45,119 seeing the eyes, I turned around. I started running and I got a 179 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,960 bad knee. I fell down about fifty feet once I started running, my 180 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:56,039 leg my right leg gave out, got back up, started running, and 181 00:17:56,079 --> 00:18:00,880 then I turned around, see it feels after me, But I couldn't turn 182 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,559 a good enough angle whereas I could see if itels behind me or not. 183 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:11,400 I just wanted to get out of there, and so I started climbing up 184 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,759 the side of the embankment. Once I got to the top, I turned 185 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:21,039 around, ended up. I didn't see him, but it was like a 186 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:25,480 Bucks Bunny cartoon when you're running and you're running, moving your legs up in 187 00:18:25,519 --> 00:18:33,240 the air. That's what I was doing. And I just started trying to 188 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:38,240 run as fast as I could. And in high school and in junior high 189 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,039 I used to run a lot. I was a truck star back then. 190 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,079 But didn't tell you when you run a lot, you mess up your knees. 191 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,359 But yeah, I used to be a pretty good runner. But I 192 00:18:52,400 --> 00:19:02,759 started running and it's I'll probably running about fifty yards and I'm looking back as 193 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:07,039 I'm going, and I'm trying to grab rocks as i'm going, so just 194 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:11,200 in case it's behind me, I could throw it at it. So as 195 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,119 I'm running, I'm trying to grab something stop for a quick second when I 196 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,480 see a good sized rock. And I didn't look behind me. I was 197 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:26,799 just grabbing rocks. And finally Alan heard me screaming and stuff because I was 198 00:19:26,839 --> 00:19:33,279 calling out his name and he's looking at me like what, you know, 199 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,720 what's going on? And I was breathing so hard I had to lean against 200 00:19:37,799 --> 00:19:44,839 the fence posts and I had a hard time explaining to him at that moment, 201 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,480 so I, you know, to I catch my breath, and uh, 202 00:19:49,599 --> 00:19:56,640 yeah, this thing was huge. I'm five feet nine so if I'm 203 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:03,920 looking at his back between his shoulder blades, add another probably foot in a 204 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:10,880 half, so he's probably good seven and a half feet tall, muscular, 205 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:17,440 big time. I didn't see his legs or anything because I started running right 206 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:23,359 when he started turning his head. It wasn't a bigfoot, It wasn't aware 207 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:30,839 of it was a dog man. Yeah, And I didn't smell nothing because 208 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:33,599 of the way the wind was blowing. So and I don't think he spelled 209 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:40,400 me either. I think he just felt that something was there. Yeah it 210 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:45,759 was. I won't go back there again, another place, not by myself. 211 00:20:47,839 --> 00:20:52,319 Can't say I'll blame you after an experience like that, Wow, how 212 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:55,440 far did you say Alan was from you when you walked up on that dog 213 00:20:55,519 --> 00:21:06,519 minnidy? He was probably good? How about three hundred feet away, maybe 214 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:11,960 a bit more because he cann't see me because the river starts curving there and 215 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,160 the Orange grove a little bit, so you can see me at that angle 216 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,799 to I was, you know, parallel toward him where he can look at 217 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:26,359 me down the road. But yeah, we end up going back and Allen 218 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:33,720 took some videos showing the place, and there's also been other reports fishermen. 219 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:40,200 Matter of fact, we're with Paranormal Center with his group because they he heard 220 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:45,480 stories of a dog man in that area. Also, So as we're down 221 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:51,480 there, we're between the living groves. There's a creek that goes through about 222 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,920 seasonal creek, but it ate up the soil over the years, so it's 223 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,680 down about fifteen feet. So we're trying to climb the side, get to 224 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:06,599 the other side of it and climbing. The bankman also in this guy and 225 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,920 the fisherman, he has all kinds of nice equipment, nice fishing vests, 226 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:18,559 two poles hanging off the edge, real good stuff that he had and they 227 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:22,400 asked him, you know, have you heard or seen anything strange over here? 228 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,599 He goes, oh, yeah, he goes, I don't know what 229 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,640 it is. He goes, but it walks on all fours and when the 230 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,200 deers start running, it gets up and runs on two. And he sees 231 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,559 it from a distance. And he is a fisherman we never met before. 232 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:47,880 I mean, he was calm and collected. But he said it had the 233 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,759 same color hair as the deer's, so it blended in with them when it 234 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,839 was laying down with them, and the deers were not scared of him. 235 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:02,799 And that caught me kind of that. Why would they hang out with them 236 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,240 unless that dog man was a pup and hung out with deers and it grew 237 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,680 up with them, I don't know. But he said it's tall, and 238 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,480 it walks on too, but sometimes it walks on all fours. And he 239 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:22,079 said it's it's not a dog, it's not a deer. I don't know 240 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:29,359 what it is, but he's seen it a couple of times and he's aware 241 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,440 of it. He's the one that told us about it. And reason he's 242 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,559 going to a pond that's behind the orange orange live in the packet house, 243 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,200 and I googled that area ended up there is a pond there and there's a 244 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,599 small dam, and he said he always goes fishing there because he catches his 245 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:53,599 limit. All the fish gets stuck right there behind the dam, so as 246 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,480 he's going home, he's stuffed by there, goes fishing for a while, 247 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,000 takes it home and happy for dinner. He said. If he's had more 248 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,160 than one running with that dog man and he still goes into that area, 249 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:10,160 he definitely doesn't frighten easily, does he. Yeah, it was. The 250 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:15,720 river splits up right where that hill was at the King's River, and there's 251 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:21,079 an island and the King's River they end up meeting together down the road. 252 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,799 So it's really hard to get into that island, and it's pretty dense. 253 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,839 I can't even zoom in on anything. There's just so much trees and shrubs 254 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:40,960 and everything that you can't really see if there's any structures or anything. So 255 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,200 if anything wants to hide, that's the place to do it. And the 256 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,240 dog man poly could walk across the river with no problem, and that's his 257 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:56,279 hiding place. No human could walk across that river. Sounds like the perfect 258 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,920 place for d hag out. Yeah, and that's probably where they're hiding at, 259 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,359 And that would be a perfect place. There's no roads, no trails. 260 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,000 You have to cross the river to even get in there. And that's 261 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:12,480 probably where he hangs out at. And he the dog man, probably didn't 262 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:17,680 hear me because of the wraps of the water. And that's the reason I 263 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,519 was able to snuck up on him by accident. And he was only about 264 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,640 six seven feet away clothes, Yeah, real close. That's the reason I 265 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:32,480 ran. I wasn't about to stick around. Yeah, he probably would have 266 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,599 got me right then and there. Yeah, he probably just got as scary 267 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,559 as I did. He probably went across the river. That's the reason I 268 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:45,720 didn't see him running behind me, because he got startled just like I did. 269 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,079 I ran one way, he ran the other. He probably never seen 270 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,039 him before. That's funny. That would be awfully funny if you did wind 271 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:02,039 up startling him when he finally elizes that you were standing there, did he 272 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,559 jump like it did startle him as he was turning around. Now, you 273 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:11,119 just turn around slowly, his head and his shoulder first, his shoulders start 274 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,759 turning, then his head. And as soon as I seen that perfect angle 275 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:21,920 of that snout. Oh no, I'm out of here. And the hair 276 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:29,200 was probably about four to six inches long straight. It was in a well, 277 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,519 at least on his back. It was in you know, wavy or 278 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:37,559 anything. That sounds like something straight out of a nightmare. I've had nightmares 279 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,519 like that where you're behind the monster and you're terrified it's going to turn around, 280 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,880 And for you to be six seven feet behind that dogged me and all 281 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,799 of a sudden it slowly starts to turn. I can only imagine the thoughts 282 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,039 going through your head. I never thought about that way. Yeah, it 283 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:56,920 was just like a movie. I mean it was he just caught me off 284 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,400 guard big time, and I caught him off guard or her or whatever it 285 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,119 was. But yeah, now I think about it, I think it ran 286 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,440 across the river, and I ran the off the direction. That's the reason 287 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,960 I didn't see it behind me. You might be right, but I'd be 288 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,640 surprised if it actually did run across the river. Sounds to me like it 289 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,279 didn't startle it. It just stayed right there where it was or just moved 290 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:26,920 off. But I'd be really surprised if it startled it. You even mentioned 291 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,200 that it didn't jump or anything. Like that when it came to realize you're 292 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,680 there, just slowly turned, so I don't think it did frighten them. 293 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,240 Yeah, you're probably right, because I didn't stick around to find out for 294 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:42,400 sure. I know it wasn't following me, and I'm happy about that. 295 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,319 I don't blame you. Don't blame you at all. Now, Ad every 296 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,640 time it seems like you have an eyewitness come on the show and talk about 297 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,440 an experience like this, where there you are there the dogman is seems like 298 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640 there are tons of people who pose a question. Okay, if you're that 299 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,799 close to the dog man, I don't understand why you didn't take a picture 300 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,680 of the dog man. So I want to give you the opportunity to address 301 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:15,960 that crowd who's wondering that right now. You know you're you're so startled, 302 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:21,640 you don't believe what you're saying. I mean, the first thing you want 303 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,240 to think about is protecting yourself. You don't even think about taking a photo 304 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:33,279 trying to prove anything to anybody. You just want to I mean, it's 305 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:40,039 an act of nature. You have to survive, So you need to get 306 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:44,039 out of there as fast as you can, so you could tell the story 307 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:49,440 later, you're not worried about taking photos because I didn't have a chance anyway. 308 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,720 I was running. As soon as I seen the nozzle that snout on 309 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:59,440 it, I was gone. So yeah, the last thing you want to 310 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,680 think about is taking a photo. You know, unless you're a distance from 311 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,480 it, you know a good distance and you can zoom in on it. 312 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,279 Great, But when you walk up to it and six seven feet away from 313 00:29:12,279 --> 00:29:17,960 you, that's the last thing you want to think about. You just want 314 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,920 to save your life. Oh of course. Anyone who can't understand that, 315 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:25,759 I just don't know what to think about them, because yeah, it's only 316 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:30,559 common sense. Yeah, definitely. Now, if you wanted to take a 317 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,640 picture of it for whatever reason, did you have anything on you that you 318 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,960 could have done that with. I had my cell phone in my shirt pocket, 319 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,359 but I didn't pull it out or anything. I was gone. Oh 320 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,000 of course you were. I don't blame you. Anyone in the right mind 321 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:53,759 would have been gone. You didn't know anything about what you're walking up on. 322 00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,559 Bam, there it is. So that's totally understandable. At that time 323 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:07,079 you have no concept of taking a photo. Well, of course you didn't. 324 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640 It's like the same thing. You get a cat, you put a 325 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:14,400 pot of water, and you put the cat over, you drop it. 326 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,599 As soon as the cat hits the water, it jumps out and runs away. 327 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,559 Basically, that's the same thing I did. You know, you see 328 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:27,839 it and you're there's no thinking, you know, oh, of course not, 329 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,839 No, you just react. Yeah, that's natural. I'm a little 330 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,119 confused on this. When you walked up on it, was it crouching or 331 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,799 standing up straight? Now I was standing up straight, but hunching over a 332 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:48,920 little, so his back was his shoulder to the top of the head was 333 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,440 hunched over a little bit. I don't know if he was looking for blackberries, 334 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:59,319 because there's BlackBerry bush right next to it, and they were in season, 335 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,839 so it was probably getting that's what it was trying to get, unless 336 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,240 it was trying to get a fish. But when we went back later explore 337 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:12,240 that area, a lot of the grass was growing in the water, so 338 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,359 unless a fish gets stuck in there, you know, maybe he was standing 339 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,160 up from bending over trying to grab something, but I don't think so. 340 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,240 I think he was going for the BlackBerry bush right next to him. Could 341 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,559 you tell if it was actually standing in the water or if it was definitely 342 00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:36,279 standing on the bank. It wasn't standing in the water. Could you tell 343 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,279 if it had anything in its hands at the time, No, No, 344 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:45,400 I didn't even see the hands. I'll bet you didn't. And I understand 345 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,599 why. The only thing I seen was between the shoulder blades. There was 346 00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:53,440 at eye level, and it was standing about two and a half three feet 347 00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:00,680 below me, and I'm looking at the back. And as soon as it 348 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,519 started turning his shoulders, I seen the snout. I was gone. I 349 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:08,519 wasn't about to stay any longer. But it was standing up for sure. 350 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:14,240 Yeah, I bet you were setting some land speed records that day. Since 351 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680 you got such a good look at its back. Were there any specially anatomical 352 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,920 features about its back that you could tell us about. You could see the 353 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,920 muscles when it started turning back. You could see every muscle just standing out 354 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:35,599 in the back and on the shoulders and uh on. The head had longer 355 00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:42,759 hair, had longer hair, probably about six to eight inches something like that 356 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:50,680 from the forehead going backwards, or the angle that I seen about the forehead. 357 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:55,160 Because I didn't see the whole head, so I seen parts of it. 358 00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:04,119 Because I was I was dumbfounded. So I seen it start moving and 359 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:13,119 it's like, what is it? It took me a you know, hundreds 360 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,599 of a second, but it seemed like it took forever trying to diagnose what 361 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:23,720 it is. But it was muscular, big time, and the snout had 362 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:30,920 a little darker color on. It had more black and the shorter black hair. 363 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:36,720 And it wasn't like a Germman shepherd. It was just like a pit 364 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:49,359 bull, shorter snout that prolonged out. It didn't look like no big put 365 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:54,119 or Now this was totally different. You said it felt like you're standing there 366 00:33:54,119 --> 00:34:00,200 for ages. Thinking back on it, how long do you think you actually 367 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,400 were standing there? Okay, right when I got to it looking at it, 368 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:15,760 maybe two seconds even that I was gone. I mean he's only seven 369 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,119 feet away, you know. The longest part was me looking at his back 370 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,239 trying to figure out what it was. So it started turning his shoulders. 371 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,880 Then I seen the snout at that angle, and he wasn't totally turned around 372 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,000 yet. I just seen enough and I turned around to start running. I 373 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:38,000 wasn't about to stick around. You're probably cracking forty miles an hour getting back 374 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:45,840 down and calling down. Yeah. When I got to the top of the 375 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,320 embankment. That's where I hurt my knee. Even more so, I was 376 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,360 running more of a with the limp once I was on the flat ground, 377 00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:01,719 but I was still running. But yeah, I yeah, I want to 378 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:07,239 go there again unless I go with people. Well, I can understand that. 379 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,159 If you were only about three hundred feet or so from Alan when this 380 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,239 happened, did you ever think about shouting out for him? Oh? I 381 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,239 was as I was running. Also, you were yelling the whole way, 382 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,960 and not just when you got closer. No, you couldn't hear me anyway. 383 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,920 I was trying to yell, but I was so out of breath, 384 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,320 you know, I was making horse sounds out of my head, out of 385 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:44,599 myself. I could talk with Zier what to get here was his name? 386 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:52,639 I bet you were, Yeah, I'll bet. I just wanted to get 387 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:59,719 out of there as fast as I could, as safe as I could. 388 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,000 I out of there. I wasn't about to stick around and taking a photo 389 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,079 of it. There's no way. I mean, even somebody that was fifty 390 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:15,000 feet away Paul Wood, Iran and not took a photo of it. Oh, 391 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:20,559 of course they would. They're big, Yes, they are. Before 392 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:23,239 we continue with tonight's show, I want to make an announcement. I've been 393 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,400 in contact with several content creators who interview dog Me and eyewitnesses, and I've 394 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,599 arranged what I call five Nights of dog Mean Encounters. That means, from 395 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:36,639 tonight until Halloween night, every night at nine pm Eastern Time, you're gonna 396 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,400 have new shows of dog Me and related content to look forward to, and 397 00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:43,679 on every night except Sunday night, there's gonna be a ten pm show as 398 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,519 well. To see a schedule for all the shows who are gonna participate and 399 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:51,199 find links to their channels, please go to the description for tonight's show. 400 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,119 A lot of good shows are gonna participate in the Five Nights of dog Me, 401 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:58,199 and so I hope you listen to their shows and of course subscribe to 402 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,199 their channels. All right, back to tonight's show. At the start of 403 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,119 the show, you said that you don't go out after dark. Is that 404 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:12,079 because of that encounter or another reason? No reason. I don't go at 405 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:17,199 night because of alien encounters I had in the past. So I don't drive 406 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,920 at night whatsoever. Street lights scare me because I don't know if it's really 407 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,320 a street light or it's something else, if it's a different type of light 408 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,599 that's showing out. But yeah, I don't. I have to be home 409 00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:38,480 before it gets dark. Only time I drive when it's dark, it's going 410 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:45,679 to work and that's early morning. So yeah, because I have to be 411 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,679 at work at six. So that's only time I ever drives at night. 412 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,880 Whatsoever. Anywhere I go to have the plan to be at home before it 413 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,840 gets stark. Everybody knows that, all family members, all my friends. 414 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:05,440 So I don't even drive far anymore. If I do, I know I 415 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,320 have to time it, and I got a place to stay once I'm there. 416 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,679 Drive in at night, No way. I haven't done that since the 417 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,840 encounters I had. Yeah, considering those encounters and experiences, I don't blame 418 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,559 you for not going out after dark. And speaking of those, you're featured 419 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:28,199 in a documentary call ten eleven zero two. Do to those experiences. What 420 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,920 more can you tell us about it? Well, there's some stuff that are 421 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:38,599 missing because lack of time. The most we could go was one hour fifty 422 00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:44,840 nine minutes. The movie's about fifty five minutes. Something seconds I forgot. 423 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,159 But if we put everything in there that we wanted to, probably would have 424 00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:57,400 been another hour. And yeah, there's a lot of stuff that will make 425 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:04,159 more sense on the movie if everything else was on there. I'll give you 426 00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:08,239 some short little stories. There was three of us. Yeah, and everybody 427 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,960 out there check out the movies called ten eleven oh two. Write down the 428 00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:20,920 letters, not the numbers, and you'll see it in there. And yeah, 429 00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:25,280 after we came back and everything. Kenneth he drove with me because I'm 430 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,599 the one that picked him up. And as soon as I took him to 431 00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:34,280 the house he lived upstairs while apartment. He didn't even get his items out 432 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,800 of my vehicle. He got out, he ran and started calling out his 433 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,079 girlfriend's name. She opened up the door as soon as he got in, 434 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,400 and I was behind him. He started taking off his clothes. He left 435 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,159 his underwear on, but he started taking off his clothes. He's yellings, 436 00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:58,920 grow up and check my body for marks, check my body, check everywhere. 437 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,679 She's laughing. You know, she didn't know what was going on. 438 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,119 And she's seen his face that you know, he was serious. And I 439 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,039 looked at her, I go, yeah, check him. He goes some 440 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:20,920 weird stuff happened up there, and yeah, he's yelling and she's checking every 441 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:27,599 part of his body if there's any marks or anything like that. And that 442 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,679 was the last time he went with us. He loves the mountains. He 443 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:37,079 was from Seattle, Washington. Matter of fact, he had UFOs chase him 444 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,599 while he lived up there. While he was on the back end of a 445 00:40:39,639 --> 00:40:46,280 motorcycle in Seattle, and he told me that they were going down the road 446 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,159 and this UFO was right behind him and above him, and as they were 447 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,280 going down the street, he was yelling at people, UFO, UFO, 448 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,880 He's pointing behind him. But by that time he was already gone. But 449 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:07,360 uh, it was after him right before they got to Seattle, so they 450 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:14,639 were still in the country. And yeah, he started yelling when he got 451 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:20,280 to the first street light. But yeah, he uh, he had some 452 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,079 encounters over there. But yeah, after that trip, he didn't hang out 453 00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:30,480 with us, and uh, he didn't want to talk about it whatsoever. 454 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,039 He ended up getting cancer. And we don't know if they had to do 455 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:43,159 with it, what happened as a trip or not. We have no idea. 456 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:52,239 But yeah, he passed away. And yeah, poor guy, real 457 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,719 cool guy. Sounds like it really went through it. Yeah, he just 458 00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:02,280 likes the mountains outdoors. He likes a lot of Indian stuff. He used 459 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,840 to make things that give it to me. And he used to like gold 460 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400 penny, which I do also at times when I do have time, I 461 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,079 go and I always end up finding more gold than him. And he used 462 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:22,000 to get mad at me to tease him. Look what I found, Tennis. 463 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440 But uh, yeah, I used to tease him like that. But 464 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:30,519 yeah, after that, he wasn't the same. Ken wasn't the same also 465 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,320 for a while. Now he's back to normal. Took a while, but 466 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,039 yeah, on the film where you see his eyes all bugged out and everything, 467 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:43,440 that's when he was in shock. Still. He was like that for 468 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:49,239 quite a while, and I was kind of used to it, so it 469 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,400 didn't affect me as bad as Ken. But on the film when it first 470 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,079 starts, you could see his eyes are all bugged out, he's talking really 471 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:05,079 fast normally. That's not him. That's a different Kim. Yeah, he 472 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:09,920 was still in shock. And that's all you wanted to talk about was that 473 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:15,639 trip. And I got tired of talking about it, you know, but 474 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,199 it happened, but you know it fixed me in different ways. You know, 475 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,079 I can't drive a night he could. He bought a house up in 476 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:32,119 the mountains, which I wouldn't have. Wow. He ended up selling it 477 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:38,480 later, but yeah, I mean it was sort of like his way of 478 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,599 facing the truth, being back up in the mountains and living there. We 479 00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:52,039 went camping one time after that trip the same place, just to face our 480 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,599 fears. We only lasted one night. Nothing happened. It was just too 481 00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:02,239 eerie. Didn't feel comfort ball no more. We just packed up in the 482 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:09,519 morning. You know, we're gone. But would I do what I did 483 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:15,320 over there? I made an alien rock man, so with granite rocks are 484 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:22,639 in that area I made on the ground. I made an alien with rocks. 485 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,440 So every time I go up there, I'll fix the rocks in the 486 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:34,000 right place because the snow and rain will move the rocks around. Yeah, 487 00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:39,679 I always end up fixing it. And now I know a couple of people 488 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,599 that go up there that we met up there by accident. They recognized me 489 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,599 and we showed them the spot. Ended up they thought that was a spot. 490 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,760 So we end up having a barbecue there, him and all his buddies 491 00:44:54,239 --> 00:45:00,079 and ended up they had a UFO encounter during that night. So they're telling 492 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:06,079 me about it, telling me and Ken about it, and one of the 493 00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,079 guys just walked away. I go, what's wrong with him? Because he 494 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,960 just want to hear it. He goes, he got mad at us because 495 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,800 he wanted to leave last night because of the lights, and they drove I 496 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,440 don't know where they drove from, but it was a lot farder than we 497 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,599 did, And he goes, no, we just got here. We're not 498 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,960 leaving because of some light. So he didn't want to hear our story, 499 00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:31,239 you know, especially being in the same camping spot, So he just walked 500 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,440 away. You know, he didn't want to hear whatsoever. But uh so 501 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,400 now they go there every time they go there. Now they go out there 502 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,119 and fix the rock alien man that I got out there at the campsite. 503 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:52,280 So that's how people will find it. I noticed what you're saying about Kn's 504 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,400 eyes. At the start of the movie, they really were bugging out. 505 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,960 And as the movie went on and I started seeing again and again, I 506 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,199 thought, Okay, well, it looks a lot different there than he did 507 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,760 at the start of the film. So I was wondering about that. Yeah, 508 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,280 he was in shock. That part was recorded when we first started doing 509 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,960 the filming, and it took us like ten years to do this film because 510 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,880 we had to do it on my friend's nephew time. And you know, 511 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:29,239 he travels around the world doing films for people. So whenever he had, 512 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,880 you know, a little bit of time, he'll travel to Fresno and he 513 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,559 lives in San Francisco, So anytime he you know, I had a few 514 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:43,199 days, he'll come down here. And then that's if it matches my time 515 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,280 because I used to work a lot of overtime, so we had to match 516 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,840 everything right when we're doing the filming. And also on the filming, me 517 00:46:52,840 --> 00:47:00,719 and Kim were always interviewed separate and we never told each other what they're asking 518 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,519 us. So that's the reason on the film you never you never see us 519 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:13,679 together because everything I wanted to save my story I wanted can say his. 520 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,119 And then at the end of the movie when they start editing everything, see 521 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,280 if everything matched up ended up it did you passed that lie detector test as 522 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,800 well? Even when we did that, I went outside so I want to 523 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:35,199 hear nothing and he did the same thing. So yeah, we're never together. 524 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,960 That's a really good idea. Yeah. The name of the documentary is 525 00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:44,119 ten eleven two, like we said, and I'm going to put a link 526 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:46,679 to it in the description for tonight's show. That'll make it real easy to 527 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,559 find. But having said that, it's about time for us to get out 528 00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,800 of here. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd 529 00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:02,920 like to share. Yeah, there's a lot of things out there, or 530 00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:08,639 energy or you know, different dimensions that we're not aware of. Some people 531 00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:13,280 are aware of it. You know, that's really sensitive, and I call 532 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,880 myself pretty sensitive, but not compared to a lot of other people. But 533 00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:23,199 if you get a bad sense not to be in a certain area, don't 534 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,920 fight it. Use your senses. If it says not to go there, 535 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:35,320 don't go there. That's your your human part trying to tell you that there's 536 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,440 something wrong. Yeah, just be safe. Always tell people where you're going, 537 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:45,360 never go alone, give them a timetable when you may be back, 538 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:52,639 or a rough idea, but always go by your senses at all times. 539 00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,480 Life goes on you just how you handle it later as from me, I 540 00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:05,760 handle it by not going out at night at all. So that's my fear 541 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,679 of factor right there. But yeah, you just go day by day, 542 00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,920 keep going on with your life, but always remember there's something else out there. 543 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,800 That we're not aware of. That's right, there always is. If 544 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,599 you've had a dog meaning encounter, I would like to speak with me about 545 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,800 it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot 546 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,719 com and submit a report. If you've had a big foot sighting and we'd 547 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,960 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 548 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,719 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, it goes without saying. I 549 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,320 sure hope someday you can go back out at nighttime and not be so anxious 550 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,559 about what might happen or what might be out there, but please don't rush 551 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,000 it. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming on 552 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,559 and sharing the details of your encounter with us. I really appreciate it, 553 00:49:57,519 --> 00:50:00,920 pleasure meeting you. Well, it's great to meet you. Thanks again so 554 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,159 much for your time, and have a great night.