At at. Tonight's guest is Adolf Santa Stephen. He goes by ad though
Ad welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, good afternoon. You threw
me when you said good afternoon because it's night here. But then again,
you're way out west, so there's a three hour time difference. Thanks for
seeing that. Anyway, Ad please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Basically, I'm a outdoor person. I like going up in the mountains fishing.
Used to like camping quite a bit. When I go fishing, it's
only during the day. I have to be home before it gets stark.
For sure. I can't drive at night. But yeah, I like exploring.
I like listening to bigfoot stories, thunderbirds, dog men. I'm always
a curious person. Anywhere I go, I look down for tracks on the
sandbar or trails. I'm always looking around, and I always take a lot
of photos with my cell phone, but once I get home, I always
zoom in on it all the time, and even everybody else's photographs excited up
finding stuff that they missed. And most of the photos I take is because
I get a feeling that something's there or something's looking at me. So those
are the areas. I take photos a lot, so I always end up
finding something that's strange. And yeah, there's one spot I need to go
to by court right. It's an overhang. There's a big X in there.
Looks like there's two statues and two boulders that are rectangle shaped and with
a flat section on top. And it's about a mile away from the road
and only way you could see it is from top of one of the domes
granted domes, and I just happen to be taking photos and that's how I
found it by zooming in in that area later on. And I need to
check out this area. It's like a megalist type structure. I don't think
anybody's ever been there. I Google Earth that area. There's no trails to
it. What's however, I don't see no trash or anything. This place
is old. But that's one of the places I want to go pretty soon.
And hopefully when Alan Thomas, when Swatch Zone gets better, we could
use as drones so we don't have to walk all the way to it,
maybe part of the way and then use the drone to zoom in on it
find out what's there. But yeah, I always been a curious person.
I got Navajo in me also, so to me, that's a big plus.
Makes me more aware of what's around my surroundings. Yeah, I like
outdoors big time. Considering all the experiences you've had, I'd say it's a
good thing that you're very aware of your surroundings because you've got quite the collection
of experiences. Ad you're here tonight because you saw the same big dog mean
last week's guest hoaviersaw. How far was the spot where you saw it from
where he did where he seeing it? Probably two and a half miles Yeah,
about two and a half miles up the river where I was at.
Yeah that's not that far then, No, not at all. How much
time had gone by when you saw it compared to when he did. I'm
trying to remember the time she told me about it. I'll say about probably
about six months, so that much time had gone by. How did you
meet Vier? Actually I met him through I used to be interviewed quite a
bit with Paranormal Central, did Jeff Garcia. He has a show here in
Presno called Paranormal Central and uh in fact, he's the one that try to
find us because they heard about our story. And this is before we even
started making a movie about it, and he tracked us down. He heard
about our story at a party. Ended up it was one of my co
workers at work that told him the story because he co worker spost to have
gone with us camping, but at the last minute he decided not to go.
Good thing, but yeah, there s must have been one other person
he didn't make it. Then we end up telling him the story, went
to a party. Jeff was there. He's related to him somehow, And
then Jeff tracked us down and our first interview was Paranormal Central. Yeah,
I'd say it was a good thing they didn't go camping with you that time.
We're going to get into that while we're saying that, after we talk
about you talking and encounter though. Yeah, that's a pretty detailed story right
there in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah, definitely me and the hobby
here. I met him to Paranormal Central, and uh, yeah, we
just started liking the places that he was doing. And me, I'm quite
a bit older than he is, so a lot of these places I already
knew before he went to him, So I started showing him some of the
places. Me and Allen start showing some of the places that were kind of
tripped out, and then he expanded from there and started doing his own thing.
But uh, yeah, Jaber is a really good guy, nice guy.
He showed us some interesting places I didn't know about about some rock painting.
You should ask him about that, that's his story. And he took
us there and it's a big panel of old rock paintings and there's also a
thunderbird painted on there, pterodacle type bird that's painted on this big rock and
it's probably about fifteen feet across. It's a pretty good design and it's old
and whoever painted it, they did it on the right area to the's facing
east. All our storms come from the west and it has a slight overhand
hang, so it's protected by the weather and rain and areas that aren't protected.
You can see where the red paint got washed away a little bit or
not as bright. But yeah, we end up finding that out on the
way back. We're trying to locate it because he heard stories about it,
and we're almost giving up. Started coming off that mountain, came around the
corner, looked behind this tree in awesome boom, there it was. And
then also there's there's a rock that looks like part of it was carved out,
part of it, not everything, but it's also painted and it looks
like a bigfoot that's painted, you know, hundreds or thousands of years ago,
and it's like from the shoulder above it shows like a bigfoot head right
there, and on the side of the face it has a picture of a
shawman. And I went to Google started looking at old Indian paintings and stuff,
and I found a picture of a shawman. Ended up it was the
same type of design that's on side of the bigfoot space. Wow, that
sure does sound like an awfully neat area. You're a lucky man to be
living out there, all righty, do you please tell us about drink owner?
Now give us everal last detail that comes to mind? Alrighty. One
day, well the day before actually, I called up Alan Thomas. He
has his own show called Squatchstone. So we always end up going out driving
places, checking out places. We really can't walk really that good. His
knees are bad and I got one bad one, but I tried to do
the best I could. So I called him up to just take a drive,
you know, bring your drone in your cameras and we'll go out exploring
again. So we decided to go buy Pine Flat dam Albocata Lake area Kings
River, which is all within the same area ten square miles easily within that
area, and there's a lot of orange groves and lemon groves in that area.
So Gon in his car and started driving. We also heard of bigfoots.
They like hanging out in the lemon groves and orange groves and it's easy
for them to hide in there. You know, you have to look down
the roads a lot of times. If they see you, hear a car
coming, they'll just hide behind a tree. You don't even know they're there.
So as we're driving, we're always looking between the orange groves, you
know, and lemon groves and see if we could find anything. But we
never do. But there's been reports of them being in that area. So
as we're driving, we're always checking out places and stuff. We see deers,
we'll stop. We'll take a video of it or a photo of it
special because I could show my daughter. She likes animals, so we always
stop there's any kind of animals. But as we're driving down Belmont Avenue.
We live in Presto Countyifornia, and we're driving toward Pine Flat Dam and the
road starts getting kind of weavy, a little bit not bad. On the
left hand side of us, after the Orange Groves its foothills. To the
right is the river, which is a little downwards past the Leming Groves.
So as we're driving, there's a sharp turn and there's a turnout right there,
so we got out. We're going to check out the places, and
we're always looking for footprints, any kind of animal tracks. We always try
to figure out what it is. But there's a trail that goes to the
top of the hill, which is about two hundred feet or so two hundred
feet of a walk, I mean, but on a straight line. It's
probably about sixty feet above our heads, I think, but it's about two
hundred feet walk. And so we're going to walk up there, and I
don't remember if we're being used to drone or I think it was too windy
and we didn't use it. But we're looking for tracks, and I told
him that I was going to go behind the Lemon grove and the river.
Right there's a dirt road for tractors carry their the boxes of lemons and oranges
to the packing house, which is on the other side, about a mile
away or so. But I walked off this hill and climb over a fence
get to that dirt road. Now on the left hand side of the road
is the river. But between me and the river there's ornamental plants that people
plant it. Well, I guess the owner did. He had some plants
there I never seen before. And I went to Riley College for horticulture and
forestry, so plants always touch my interest, so trying to figure out what
kind they are. So after I look at the plants, I kept on
walking west and I'm looking down for tracks. Alan stayed up there at that
time. He couldn't walk very good, So I kept on walking. And
there's an embankment that goes down to the left that goes down I don't know,
eight feet ten feet something like that, and kind of like a steep
angle, and I'm using a walking stick, and there's all kind of dry
grass that's probably about two feet tall two and a half feet tall, and
there's a somewhat of a trail and you could tell us not used very much
at all. So I started walking down toward the river, which is only
about seventy five feet away, and I could hear the water, the rapids
and the trails split up into a te or y. I was gonna make
a ripe, but I've seen all kinds of poison oak over there. I
don't want to walk to that. So I made a laugh. And as
I was walking, the trail goes upwards a little bit, about two and
a half three feet on this little hill of the embankment. Then it makes
a sharp right. So as I'm walking, I'm looking straight, so,
you know, thinking that the trail goes down and goes straight, but it
don't. It makes a sharp right. So as I got to the top
of the hill, I turned my head to the right. Well, I
look down, look at the trail. I see it turn to the right.
So I'm looking to the right, and all of a sudden, I'm
looking at a back end of something. I'm looking at it eye level.
I'm looking at the shoulder, the back muscles of the shoulder blades of something.
And they had gray, whitish black hair, and it was like the
white was underneath, but you could see it, and the wind was blowing
a little bit, so it's like the inner part of the hair I guess,
and the tips are black, and the tips also had grayish but what
caught my eye was that white color first. And I'm going like, for
a quick second, I go, what you know? What is that?
You know? My mind's going so quick, And that thing did not hear
me because of the wraps of the water. I stuck up on it by
accident, and all this is going. It threw my head in a tenth
of a second real quick. You know, what is it? What is
it? You know? And then all of a sudden, I guess it
hurt me somehow. I felt I was there or something. And all of
a sudden, his shoulders starts turning, and I seen the edge of his
snout. It I didn't know what it was. And then I seen the
edge of that snout. But it wasn't like a gym or shepherd. It
was more like a pit bull. It was shorter a snout, it wasn't
pointy, but it definitely had a snout sort of like a pit bull.
And you could see the muscles on the back as it's turning, and I
seen the partial of the head and the snout, and right before I started
seeing the eyes, I turned around. I started running and I got a
bad knee. I fell down about fifty feet once I started running, my
leg my right leg gave out, got back up, started running, and
then I turned around, see it feels after me, But I couldn't turn
a good enough angle whereas I could see if itels behind me or not.
I just wanted to get out of there, and so I started climbing up
the side of the embankment. Once I got to the top, I turned
around, ended up. I didn't see him, but it was like a
Bucks Bunny cartoon when you're running and you're running, moving your legs up in
the air. That's what I was doing. And I just started trying to
run as fast as I could. And in high school and in junior high
I used to run a lot. I was a truck star back then.
But didn't tell you when you run a lot, you mess up your knees.
But yeah, I used to be a pretty good runner. But I
started running and it's I'll probably running about fifty yards and I'm looking back as
I'm going, and I'm trying to grab rocks as i'm going, so just
in case it's behind me, I could throw it at it. So as
I'm running, I'm trying to grab something stop for a quick second when I
see a good sized rock. And I didn't look behind me. I was
just grabbing rocks. And finally Alan heard me screaming and stuff because I was
calling out his name and he's looking at me like what, you know,
what's going on? And I was breathing so hard I had to lean against
the fence posts and I had a hard time explaining to him at that moment,
so I, you know, to I catch my breath, and uh,
yeah, this thing was huge. I'm five feet nine so if I'm
looking at his back between his shoulder blades, add another probably foot in a
half, so he's probably good seven and a half feet tall, muscular,
big time. I didn't see his legs or anything because I started running right
when he started turning his head. It wasn't a bigfoot, It wasn't aware
of it was a dog man. Yeah, And I didn't smell nothing because
of the way the wind was blowing. So and I don't think he spelled
me either. I think he just felt that something was there. Yeah it
was. I won't go back there again, another place, not by myself.
Can't say I'll blame you after an experience like that, Wow, how
far did you say Alan was from you when you walked up on that dog
minnidy? He was probably good? How about three hundred feet away, maybe
a bit more because he cann't see me because the river starts curving there and
the Orange grove a little bit, so you can see me at that angle
to I was, you know, parallel toward him where he can look at
me down the road. But yeah, we end up going back and Allen
took some videos showing the place, and there's also been other reports fishermen.
Matter of fact, we're with Paranormal Center with his group because they he heard
stories of a dog man in that area. Also, So as we're down
there, we're between the living groves. There's a creek that goes through about
seasonal creek, but it ate up the soil over the years, so it's
down about fifteen feet. So we're trying to climb the side, get to
the other side of it and climbing. The bankman also in this guy and
the fisherman, he has all kinds of nice equipment, nice fishing vests,
two poles hanging off the edge, real good stuff that he had and they
asked him, you know, have you heard or seen anything strange over here?
He goes, oh, yeah, he goes, I don't know what
it is. He goes, but it walks on all fours and when the
deers start running, it gets up and runs on two. And he sees
it from a distance. And he is a fisherman we never met before.
I mean, he was calm and collected. But he said it had the
same color hair as the deer's, so it blended in with them when it
was laying down with them, and the deers were not scared of him.
And that caught me kind of that. Why would they hang out with them
unless that dog man was a pup and hung out with deers and it grew
up with them, I don't know. But he said it's tall, and
it walks on too, but sometimes it walks on all fours. And he
said it's it's not a dog, it's not a deer. I don't know
what it is, but he's seen it a couple of times and he's aware
of it. He's the one that told us about it. And reason he's
going to a pond that's behind the orange orange live in the packet house,
and I googled that area ended up there is a pond there and there's a
small dam, and he said he always goes fishing there because he catches his
limit. All the fish gets stuck right there behind the dam, so as
he's going home, he's stuffed by there, goes fishing for a while,
takes it home and happy for dinner. He said. If he's had more
than one running with that dog man and he still goes into that area,
he definitely doesn't frighten easily, does he. Yeah, it was. The
river splits up right where that hill was at the King's River, and there's
an island and the King's River they end up meeting together down the road.
So it's really hard to get into that island, and it's pretty dense.
I can't even zoom in on anything. There's just so much trees and shrubs
and everything that you can't really see if there's any structures or anything. So
if anything wants to hide, that's the place to do it. And the
dog man poly could walk across the river with no problem, and that's his
hiding place. No human could walk across that river. Sounds like the perfect
place for d hag out. Yeah, and that's probably where they're hiding at,
And that would be a perfect place. There's no roads, no trails.
You have to cross the river to even get in there. And that's
probably where he hangs out at. And he the dog man, probably didn't
hear me because of the wraps of the water. And that's the reason I
was able to snuck up on him by accident. And he was only about
six seven feet away clothes, Yeah, real close. That's the reason I
ran. I wasn't about to stick around. Yeah, he probably would have
got me right then and there. Yeah, he probably just got as scary
as I did. He probably went across the river. That's the reason I
didn't see him running behind me, because he got startled just like I did.
I ran one way, he ran the other. He probably never seen
him before. That's funny. That would be awfully funny if you did wind
up startling him when he finally elizes that you were standing there, did he
jump like it did startle him as he was turning around. Now, you
just turn around slowly, his head and his shoulder first, his shoulders start
turning, then his head. And as soon as I seen that perfect angle
of that snout. Oh no, I'm out of here. And the hair
was probably about four to six inches long straight. It was in a well,
at least on his back. It was in you know, wavy or
anything. That sounds like something straight out of a nightmare. I've had nightmares
like that where you're behind the monster and you're terrified it's going to turn around,
And for you to be six seven feet behind that dogged me and all
of a sudden it slowly starts to turn. I can only imagine the thoughts
going through your head. I never thought about that way. Yeah, it
was just like a movie. I mean it was he just caught me off
guard big time, and I caught him off guard or her or whatever it
was. But yeah, now I think about it, I think it ran
across the river, and I ran the off the direction. That's the reason
I didn't see it behind me. You might be right, but I'd be
surprised if it actually did run across the river. Sounds to me like it
didn't startle it. It just stayed right there where it was or just moved
off. But I'd be really surprised if it startled it. You even mentioned
that it didn't jump or anything. Like that when it came to realize you're
there, just slowly turned, so I don't think it did frighten them.
Yeah, you're probably right, because I didn't stick around to find out for
sure. I know it wasn't following me, and I'm happy about that.
I don't blame you. Don't blame you at all. Now, Ad every
time it seems like you have an eyewitness come on the show and talk about
an experience like this, where there you are there the dogman is seems like
there are tons of people who pose a question. Okay, if you're that
close to the dog man, I don't understand why you didn't take a picture
of the dog man. So I want to give you the opportunity to address
that crowd who's wondering that right now. You know you're you're so startled,
you don't believe what you're saying. I mean, the first thing you want
to think about is protecting yourself. You don't even think about taking a photo
trying to prove anything to anybody. You just want to I mean, it's
an act of nature. You have to survive, So you need to get
out of there as fast as you can, so you could tell the story
later, you're not worried about taking photos because I didn't have a chance anyway.
I was running. As soon as I seen the nozzle that snout on
it, I was gone. So yeah, the last thing you want to
think about is taking a photo. You know, unless you're a distance from
it, you know a good distance and you can zoom in on it.
Great, But when you walk up to it and six seven feet away from
you, that's the last thing you want to think about. You just want
to save your life. Oh of course. Anyone who can't understand that,
I just don't know what to think about them, because yeah, it's only
common sense. Yeah, definitely. Now, if you wanted to take a
picture of it for whatever reason, did you have anything on you that you
could have done that with. I had my cell phone in my shirt pocket,
but I didn't pull it out or anything. I was gone. Oh
of course you were. I don't blame you. Anyone in the right mind
would have been gone. You didn't know anything about what you're walking up on.
Bam, there it is. So that's totally understandable. At that time
you have no concept of taking a photo. Well, of course you didn't.
It's like the same thing. You get a cat, you put a
pot of water, and you put the cat over, you drop it.
As soon as the cat hits the water, it jumps out and runs away.
Basically, that's the same thing I did. You know, you see
it and you're there's no thinking, you know, oh, of course not,
No, you just react. Yeah, that's natural. I'm a little
confused on this. When you walked up on it, was it crouching or
standing up straight? Now I was standing up straight, but hunching over a
little, so his back was his shoulder to the top of the head was
hunched over a little bit. I don't know if he was looking for blackberries,
because there's BlackBerry bush right next to it, and they were in season,
so it was probably getting that's what it was trying to get, unless
it was trying to get a fish. But when we went back later explore
that area, a lot of the grass was growing in the water, so
unless a fish gets stuck in there, you know, maybe he was standing
up from bending over trying to grab something, but I don't think so.
I think he was going for the BlackBerry bush right next to him. Could
you tell if it was actually standing in the water or if it was definitely
standing on the bank. It wasn't standing in the water. Could you tell
if it had anything in its hands at the time, No, No,
I didn't even see the hands. I'll bet you didn't. And I understand
why. The only thing I seen was between the shoulder blades. There was
at eye level, and it was standing about two and a half three feet
below me, and I'm looking at the back. And as soon as it
started turning his shoulders, I seen the snout. I was gone. I
wasn't about to stay any longer. But it was standing up for sure.
Yeah, I bet you were setting some land speed records that day. Since
you got such a good look at its back. Were there any specially anatomical
features about its back that you could tell us about. You could see the
muscles when it started turning back. You could see every muscle just standing out
in the back and on the shoulders and uh on. The head had longer
hair, had longer hair, probably about six to eight inches something like that
from the forehead going backwards, or the angle that I seen about the forehead.
Because I didn't see the whole head, so I seen parts of it.
Because I was I was dumbfounded. So I seen it start moving and
it's like, what is it? It took me a you know, hundreds
of a second, but it seemed like it took forever trying to diagnose what
it is. But it was muscular, big time, and the snout had
a little darker color on. It had more black and the shorter black hair.
And it wasn't like a Germman shepherd. It was just like a pit
bull, shorter snout that prolonged out. It didn't look like no big put
or Now this was totally different. You said it felt like you're standing there
for ages. Thinking back on it, how long do you think you actually
were standing there? Okay, right when I got to it looking at it,
maybe two seconds even that I was gone. I mean he's only seven
feet away, you know. The longest part was me looking at his back
trying to figure out what it was. So it started turning his shoulders.
Then I seen the snout at that angle, and he wasn't totally turned around
yet. I just seen enough and I turned around to start running. I
wasn't about to stick around. You're probably cracking forty miles an hour getting back
down and calling down. Yeah. When I got to the top of the
embankment. That's where I hurt my knee. Even more so, I was
running more of a with the limp once I was on the flat ground,
but I was still running. But yeah, I yeah, I want to
go there again unless I go with people. Well, I can understand that.
If you were only about three hundred feet or so from Alan when this
happened, did you ever think about shouting out for him? Oh? I
was as I was running. Also, you were yelling the whole way,
and not just when you got closer. No, you couldn't hear me anyway.
I was trying to yell, but I was so out of breath,
you know, I was making horse sounds out of my head, out of
myself. I could talk with Zier what to get here was his name?
I bet you were, Yeah, I'll bet. I just wanted to get
out of there as fast as I could, as safe as I could.
I out of there. I wasn't about to stick around and taking a photo
of it. There's no way. I mean, even somebody that was fifty
feet away Paul Wood, Iran and not took a photo of it. Oh,
of course they would. They're big, Yes, they are. Before
we continue with tonight's show, I want to make an announcement. I've been
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their channels. All right, back to tonight's show. At the start of
the show, you said that you don't go out after dark. Is that
because of that encounter or another reason? No reason. I don't go at
night because of alien encounters I had in the past. So I don't drive
at night whatsoever. Street lights scare me because I don't know if it's really
a street light or it's something else, if it's a different type of light
that's showing out. But yeah, I don't. I have to be home
before it gets dark. Only time I drive when it's dark, it's going
to work and that's early morning. So yeah, because I have to be
at work at six. So that's only time I ever drives at night.
Whatsoever. Anywhere I go to have the plan to be at home before it
gets stark. Everybody knows that, all family members, all my friends.
So I don't even drive far anymore. If I do, I know I
have to time it, and I got a place to stay once I'm there.
Drive in at night, No way. I haven't done that since the
encounters I had. Yeah, considering those encounters and experiences, I don't blame
you for not going out after dark. And speaking of those, you're featured
in a documentary call ten eleven zero two. Do to those experiences. What
more can you tell us about it? Well, there's some stuff that are
missing because lack of time. The most we could go was one hour fifty
nine minutes. The movie's about fifty five minutes. Something seconds I forgot.
But if we put everything in there that we wanted to, probably would have
been another hour. And yeah, there's a lot of stuff that will make
more sense on the movie if everything else was on there. I'll give you
some short little stories. There was three of us. Yeah, and everybody
out there check out the movies called ten eleven oh two. Write down the
letters, not the numbers, and you'll see it in there. And yeah,
after we came back and everything. Kenneth he drove with me because I'm
the one that picked him up. And as soon as I took him to
the house he lived upstairs while apartment. He didn't even get his items out
of my vehicle. He got out, he ran and started calling out his
girlfriend's name. She opened up the door as soon as he got in,
and I was behind him. He started taking off his clothes. He left
his underwear on, but he started taking off his clothes. He's yellings,
grow up and check my body for marks, check my body, check everywhere.
She's laughing. You know, she didn't know what was going on.
And she's seen his face that you know, he was serious. And I
looked at her, I go, yeah, check him. He goes some
weird stuff happened up there, and yeah, he's yelling and she's checking every
part of his body if there's any marks or anything like that. And that
was the last time he went with us. He loves the mountains. He
was from Seattle, Washington. Matter of fact, he had UFOs chase him
while he lived up there. While he was on the back end of a
motorcycle in Seattle, and he told me that they were going down the road
and this UFO was right behind him and above him, and as they were
going down the street, he was yelling at people, UFO, UFO,
He's pointing behind him. But by that time he was already gone. But
uh, it was after him right before they got to Seattle, so they
were still in the country. And yeah, he started yelling when he got
to the first street light. But yeah, he uh, he had some
encounters over there. But yeah, after that trip, he didn't hang out
with us, and uh, he didn't want to talk about it whatsoever.
He ended up getting cancer. And we don't know if they had to do
with it, what happened as a trip or not. We have no idea.
But yeah, he passed away. And yeah, poor guy, real
cool guy. Sounds like it really went through it. Yeah, he just
likes the mountains outdoors. He likes a lot of Indian stuff. He used
to make things that give it to me. And he used to like gold
penny, which I do also at times when I do have time, I
go and I always end up finding more gold than him. And he used
to get mad at me to tease him. Look what I found, Tennis.
But uh, yeah, I used to tease him like that. But
yeah, after that, he wasn't the same. Ken wasn't the same also
for a while. Now he's back to normal. Took a while, but
yeah, on the film where you see his eyes all bugged out and everything,
that's when he was in shock. Still. He was like that for
quite a while, and I was kind of used to it, so it
didn't affect me as bad as Ken. But on the film when it first
starts, you could see his eyes are all bugged out, he's talking really
fast normally. That's not him. That's a different Kim. Yeah, he
was still in shock. And that's all you wanted to talk about was that
trip. And I got tired of talking about it, you know, but
it happened, but you know it fixed me in different ways. You know,
I can't drive a night he could. He bought a house up in
the mountains, which I wouldn't have. Wow. He ended up selling it
later, but yeah, I mean it was sort of like his way of
facing the truth, being back up in the mountains and living there. We
went camping one time after that trip the same place, just to face our
fears. We only lasted one night. Nothing happened. It was just too
eerie. Didn't feel comfort ball no more. We just packed up in the
morning. You know, we're gone. But would I do what I did
over there? I made an alien rock man, so with granite rocks are
in that area I made on the ground. I made an alien with rocks.
So every time I go up there, I'll fix the rocks in the
right place because the snow and rain will move the rocks around. Yeah,
I always end up fixing it. And now I know a couple of people
that go up there that we met up there by accident. They recognized me
and we showed them the spot. Ended up they thought that was a spot.
So we end up having a barbecue there, him and all his buddies
and ended up they had a UFO encounter during that night. So they're telling
me about it, telling me and Ken about it, and one of the
guys just walked away. I go, what's wrong with him? Because he
just want to hear it. He goes, he got mad at us because
he wanted to leave last night because of the lights, and they drove I
don't know where they drove from, but it was a lot farder than we
did, And he goes, no, we just got here. We're not
leaving because of some light. So he didn't want to hear our story,
you know, especially being in the same camping spot, So he just walked
away. You know, he didn't want to hear whatsoever. But uh so
now they go there every time they go there. Now they go out there
and fix the rock alien man that I got out there at the campsite.
So that's how people will find it. I noticed what you're saying about Kn's
eyes. At the start of the movie, they really were bugging out.
And as the movie went on and I started seeing again and again, I
thought, Okay, well, it looks a lot different there than he did
at the start of the film. So I was wondering about that. Yeah,
he was in shock. That part was recorded when we first started doing
the filming, and it took us like ten years to do this film because
we had to do it on my friend's nephew time. And you know,
he travels around the world doing films for people. So whenever he had,
you know, a little bit of time, he'll travel to Fresno and he
lives in San Francisco, So anytime he you know, I had a few
days, he'll come down here. And then that's if it matches my time
because I used to work a lot of overtime, so we had to match
everything right when we're doing the filming. And also on the filming, me
and Kim were always interviewed separate and we never told each other what they're asking
us. So that's the reason on the film you never you never see us
together because everything I wanted to save my story I wanted can say his.
And then at the end of the movie when they start editing everything, see
if everything matched up ended up it did you passed that lie detector test as
well? Even when we did that, I went outside so I want to
hear nothing and he did the same thing. So yeah, we're never together.
That's a really good idea. Yeah. The name of the documentary is
ten eleven two, like we said, and I'm going to put a link
to it in the description for tonight's show. That'll make it real easy to
find. But having said that, it's about time for us to get out
of here. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd
like to share. Yeah, there's a lot of things out there, or
energy or you know, different dimensions that we're not aware of. Some people
are aware of it. You know, that's really sensitive, and I call
myself pretty sensitive, but not compared to a lot of other people. But
if you get a bad sense not to be in a certain area, don't
fight it. Use your senses. If it says not to go there,
don't go there. That's your your human part trying to tell you that there's
something wrong. Yeah, just be safe. Always tell people where you're going,
never go alone, give them a timetable when you may be back,
or a rough idea, but always go by your senses at all times.
Life goes on you just how you handle it later as from me, I
handle it by not going out at night at all. So that's my fear
of factor right there. But yeah, you just go day by day,
keep going on with your life, but always remember there's something else out there.
That we're not aware of. That's right, there always is. If
you've had a dog meaning encounter, I would like to speak with me about
it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot
com and submit a report. If you've had a big foot sighting and we'd
like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go
to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well, it goes without saying. I
sure hope someday you can go back out at nighttime and not be so anxious
about what might happen or what might be out there, but please don't rush
it. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming on
and sharing the details of your encounter with us. I really appreciate it,
pleasure meeting you. Well, it's great to meet you. Thanks again so
much for your time, and have a great night.