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do we immediately start recording after I was sending three flights of stairs? Oh?
Can you hear how more little? Yeah? Oh? For those of
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blurry photos. My nearis resolution is to stay Dave Stecco. I've already broken
my David Flora. I hope everybody's doing well. We got a good show.
Yeah, it's it's a science packed edition. Oh man, it's it's
science, conspiracy and fear packed horror, scaredy stuff. That's right, from
the highest offices of government down to the lowliest corn dog. The papers with
that separates the two. You know, I'd like to point out that I
don't consider any corn dogs lowly. They are each perfect snowflakes, and I
will devour them all if given enough time. Let's jump into some of this
stuff. Now. We're talking today all about GMOs. That's genetically modified organisms,
right. We're also we're also going to delve into genetically engineered food.
YEP, we're gonna talk about what the difference between GMOs and ges are and
what they do, what the benefits are, what the dangers are. We'll
talk a little bit about how prevalent they are in the world today. We're
gonna discuss are they bad for you? Are they not? Right? We've
got all kinds of things. This is bag is full of dates, one
for each of you. Oh man, I just didn't know how to finish
that, so he slipped and just kept kept grabbing for stuff. Right.
Well, this this episode is full of amazing facts and you're gonna have a
lot of fun. So let's just dive into it. I've into it now.
Bring thee flora, GMOs, gee foods, genetically everything there. It's
all kind of under the same incestuous umbrella, although there is a bit of
difference between them. Now we'll attempt to um differentiate them as best we can
here. GMOs genetically modified organisms. It's an organism whose genetic code has been
altered, subtracted, or added to to give it characteristics that it does not
have naturally. Basically, it could speed up a genetic alter alteration that might
happen naturally or through through cross breeding or just natural natural propagation of the plants
exactly. Genetically Engineered organisms are organisms that have had genes directly incorporated to generate
results that don't or can't occur in nature. Right Does that sound right to
you? Yeah? Okay, that one. To sum up, it would
be basically be creating something that that a plant doesn't have or any organisms.
I think. I think the generally engineered items you see more in the research
side of the world. I mean, obviously there's exceptions to all these things,
but for the most part, you're going to see the geos more.
These are um, knockout mice. These are very specific strains of fruit flies,
right, um, you know, I think you see those more in
the research side. The GMOs are these are the things that you are probably
snacking on right now as you're happily listening to this podcast. That's true.
That's true. I'm just gonna come out with this right now, like right
off the top, because I have no reason to be afraid of my perspective.
I love science. I want science into everything right, and I am
wholly and I know there are going to be exceptions to those, and I
want you to show them to me, David Flora, But I am wholly
on board with genetically modifying or engineering anything that we see within our purview that
does not please us. Okay, I want all of it to be messed
with. I am taking the opposite stance today and hopefully in the future.
I don't want anything to do with any genetically modified anything going into my body.
There could be exceptions, sure, you know, and I hope that
you point those out to me as well. But I have a few examples
of why I don't want this stuff going in my body, which I will
share with you and everyone today, and hopefully most of this will be on
the scientific side and not as much on the opinionated side, because if you
do your research on this, and if you look at stuff on the interwebs
about this this subject matter, you're going to get a crap ton of opinions
right in your face all of a sudden. This is a really polarizing issue.
Yeah. One of the reasons I'm excited to be on the side of
the lab coats is that you actually don't there isn't a huge amount. I
don't hear a lot of defense of science, of of why these things are
done, you know, like why why we have genetically engineered these things why
we've modified organisms. But it is because it's an emotional issue. Especially in
the research I did. Parents of young children are really concerned about this.
It is a new technology. How is it going to affect children? Does
it affect development? These are all really valid questions, and it is it
comes down to the food we eat every single day. And while I absolutely
will defend the science and the reasoning, I think that, as we'll probably
get into a little bit later, the means by which that science has brought
to us and is how it is sold beyond a little questionable. Yeah,
And I think that that it's it's hard to it's hard to say, eat
the cake that I broke into your house and placed on your chest while you
were asleep, go ahead and eat it. That's it's hard to trust that
cake. You write down old hag syndrome by the way, something. But
you know, the means by which things are brought to us and the means
by which they are done are important as the things themselves to us. Yeah,
to everyone, And I feel like this subject. I think that the
entire debate about genetically modified corn for them, you know, for the most
part, is what I like to look into because I think it's the biggest
one and it's such a huge subject. I couldn't look at everything. On
one hand, I think there are very good reasons why these things are done.
But man, were they just handled poorly by businessmen? Well, that's
funny that you should say that you're on the side of the lab coats.
I would consider myself on the side of lab coats as well, in the
fact that I think research is great. Um doing development and the research of
all this stuff. It can only benefit us as long as it's not then
taken and put in our bodies without our consent. I feel like the reason
I have bad news for you I already dibbs lab coats. So now you're
on the side of I have fun with that, all right, hippie.
I'm you're with the lab coats, Dickens. But the thing is the lab
coats underneath that lab coat. You know what they got on a suit?
Oh you are in bed with the suits sometimes. Oh man, I was
positive you were going to say crocs so comfortable. Yeah, like a hamp
grateful dead shirt or something. No, it's way worse. Uh. Let's
let's stop yanking each other's chains here and get get into some more of what
what the hell we're talking about before we get too excited about debating it.
The GMO foods that you're going to find out there commonly today, the biggest
ones are going to be soybeans, corn, canola, cotton flavor savored,
delayed ripening tomatoes. These are the genetically modified. Now, the funny thing
is about this, genetically engineered crops usually and can be the same stuff.
You get corn, soybeans, cotton, canola, alfalfa. So this is
why they're all kind of under the same umbrella. Like I mentioned before,
this is also why, in my opinion, to start out with this is
just annoying to look at and to try and research. Oh man, it
is just a tidal wave. I mean, you've got you've got GMOs,
you've got GM foods, you've got GM crops, you've got GE foods,
you've got GE crops. And one article is saying they're all the same thing.
One article is saying each one is different in its own way. And
the way they say it's different is that it's something that's been genetically modified,
while this one is something that has been modified genetically. That's how they're different.
Fuck you man put some research or science behind it or something. It's
it's just terrible to research this stuff because everything looks like it's it's different,
says it's different, but then when you when you look into it, it's
not different, and there's a total info on it. Oh yeah, well
you've got I mean, you have people with an with an emotional stake in
it. So you've got emotional people on one side, and you have patent
lawyers on the other. Right, And when those are the two least clear
groups of people on Earth, neither of them are interested in in one sentence
reductionism, right. Those two groups just don't have any interest in a clear,
concise resolution, right. And they also, I feel like, don't
have an interest in sitting down and discussing stuff either. Um, all right,
let's talk a little about timeline history. Yeah, yeah, GMOs,
it's a good idea. The genetics with our food. No wait, is
that GMOs or g all right? That was that was me all last night.
Um. In nineteen forty six, you get scientists discover that DNA can
transfer between organisms, which sets the stage for this stuff. Now, in
nineteen eighty three, that's when you get the first genetically modified plant, which
was the antibiotic resilient tobacco plant. Then you go ahead to nineteen ninety four.
That's when you get the old Flavor Saver tomato, which is a modified
tomato that is modified to delay rotting, which means it has a longer shelf
life. And that's that's approved for marketing and actually put on the market and
purchased and consumed by consumers. Now you may recognize these tomatoes because in nineteen
ninety five they started exploding, killing approximately seventeen hundred people. That did that
not happen? No, oh, you might be thinking of attack of the
killer tomato. I get that confused with reality all the time. This was
also the year that rBGH is made by Monsanto and sold to farmers. rBGH
being a bovine growth hormone. It's a bovine growth hormone that increases said to
increase milky yield from from each individual cow. More on that later. Then
we get to nineteen ninety five when you get the transgenic crops approved in US
to be grown and distributed. And then in two thousand you get a product
called golden rice which has been produced and that's just rice that is yellow in
color and has added vitamin A to it. Now, that's that's just a
brief highlight timeline of what's going on with with GM foods in the world.
Most of them right now are grown in America, but there's been a rapid
growth in developing countries absolutely where they desperately need more food, right, more
food or were more pest resistant food. The goal in these in these modifications,
I mean, like the I almost feel like the flavor slavor tomato,
which is awesome in my opinion, is actually kind of the kind of the
outlier. It's not. Usually they're not as directly marketable as hey, this
just won't rot as fast, right, you know how great is that?
Usually the modifications are things that we the consumer would never really think of.
Drought resistance, pest resistance, ability to plant in you, or a faster
life cycle, things that matter in deeply to the people who are growing the
food. We sure, but for us, I mean we never see that,
right. We just say, oh, is corn still six cents for
a dump truck full of it? Awesome? Yes? Please? Yeah,
as long as it doesn't have worms crawling out of it, We're gonna put
in our faces there's actually experimentation going on right now genetically modified salmon, salmon
that that mature in like half the time. There they grow bigger and fatter
and stronger and faster and can get to the market in half the time that
it takes to farm regular salmon, which is what we already have with tilapia.
That actually has been happening for years. That's why telapia is delicious and
inexpensive. Genetically modified crops they take this this approach, they're like, well,
sometimes breeding is not the best thing. Consistently inbreeding the same traits over
and over, you you might get the trait you want, but you'll lose
a lot of other things. And in plants, this is a huge this
is a huge issue you don't get. They call vigor is the word they
use to kind of overall the strength, the health, how fast corn or
crop develops, how vigorous the crop is. And they farmers figured out pretty
quickly that consistent inbreeding of their best ears did not produce vigorous crops. They
did not help them the way they wanted. So it was kind of frustrating,
which is why you end up getting what they call hybridized crop ops.
And hybridized crops are where you take two very dissimilar strains of I'll just keep
saying corn because it's the example I'm working with, and when you breathe them,
those those dissimilarities actually produce a very robust crop. It matures faster,
you get a higher yield out of it. But for a very long time
it was difficult. You can't take corn from Georgia and drive it all the
way up to Maine, you know, not on my watch. Um.
And this is where the science of hybridized corn comes in. Now, hybridized
corn is the corn that we eat, and it is up anymore true.
But in this this is this is hybridized corn is simply recombining very different strains
of corn to get a better yield. This has Now there's no gene insertion
going on here, there's no crazy towns. But you will always get a
better from a hybridized corn. Now, scientifically, this is manipulated now so
that we're making sure like, oh, here's the genome of corn. A,
here's the genome of corn. B. Monsanto did a ton of research
on this themselves and it helps everyone. Now you then you add into that
these genetic modifications. For example of BT, which is Basillus thringens um.
It's it's a naturally occurring insecticide. What happens is this bacteria creates what's called
the delta endotoxin, which is uh for I wasn't she on designing women.
That's why you can't take it to Maine, dude, from the Georgia depon.
My name is delta endotoxin. These cupcakes on the delicious, Oh,
I hate pisss. I'm just gonna swat these be I'm gonna kill them all
the uncivilized animals. So this delta endotoxin comes right back. It messes with
cat ion channels in the calcium gates calseum gates. Yes, it messes with
the cat ion channels in the epithelium of the insect's gut, thus killing the
insect. These gates matter. Chemistry is important, dude. But I know
I kind of went down the rabbit hole, but I was really excited about
it. So now you've got a corn that is growing better than a cornwood
on your own. It is you're getting a better yield, You're getting more
of it, and it's growing faster. It's growing healthier. You're losing lest
of it. But here's the thing, even before you add anything genetically to
it, you can't take the seed of that corn and just simply replant it
and let it refertilize itself. Why because then you're you're making the initial error
again. You're in breeding the corn, and you will get a consistently worse
and worse product out of it. So you only even if you're even if
you cross breed these to get this result, you can only have one crop
yield of the result of the best result, the best result of the highest
result. Yes, and this is this. This was the true in nineteen
thirty when they started hybridizing crops. This is before Watson and Crick, This
was before gene manipulation. I think that that farmers though, because agriculture has
been around since what go Beckley Teppy never heard of it. Don't you think
that farmers have have figured that out and have been doing that since before nineteen
thirty four, the getting the best stuff out of what they could. No,
No, that's that's exactly the problem is that farmers have always been trying
to figure it out, and farmers for the most part, were illiterate.
I mean I mean you don't have to read to see right exactly. But
that's but my point is that there's no there's no body of evidence to go
back to. Okay, there there's no there's no scientific approach to it.
This Farmer's Almanac that I've heard about it, it's just bulls right. Well,
and I don't and and I and believe there's nothing about cross And I
don't mean like farmers are illiterates and they're not intelligent at all. I just
mean like historically their rural they know they're they're they what they're doing, but
they there's still that that era of chance in crops, like, well,
if the crops good, this is going to happen. And so there was
that that an idea, Well it worked in the barnyard, so why doesn't
it work in the field. Um. And it wasn't until they started doing
some work on this and really scientifically approaching hybridization and seeing how much better they
could make the crops just by by ensuring that they hybridized two different species and
produced a more robust crop. Okay, so then you get so you've got
these hybridized seeds, and now you start to incorporate new genes that incorporate this
BT toxin. You've now saved yourself from having to buy or pesticides. The
other thing is BT toxin does nothing to us. Our casium channels are ion
channel. Animals don't give a fuck about it. That was actually a jingle
from the late eighties, brought to you my on Santo um. But it's
it's helpful. You don't get corn, you don't get worms in your corn,
you don't you get a higher yield, you don't have as many past
problems. This is huge to especially developing countries that are using these things.
Now, what is the downside? Shrug? Really? Yeah, okay,
see that's that's where I first draw the line. I'm like, okay,
okay, this is magnificent and there's no catch. No, there's totally catches.
But they're not on the scientific side of it. What are they the
money side? Yeah? Who cares? Catch is a catch man? All
right, I'll tell you what. Let's let's keep going through potential benefits before
I before I launch any salvos here. You you've already hit uh, you
know a number of them. It's been said GMO crops benefit the environment by
decreasing the amounts of pesticides that are used on them, that are sprayed on
them. Things like that. You get increased yield, more food from less
land. You get bigger, heartier crops that are more resilient. You get
foods that taste better, have better texture, and more nutrients. Not subjective
at all, even though, even though we're still talking benefits those last three,
I like, all of a sudden, I just saw a press release
just fall out of your mouth. Better texture, These corn chips are the
corniest corn chips that ever corned into my corn. All did I just say
I'm shoving chips up my ass? Depends on your definition of corn hoe.
That's right, that's a gay. Yeah, it could have just been tossing
bags. Yeah, I'm just tossing chips at a board on the ground.
You also get foods with a longer shelf life, and that includes shipping them
from farm to the market. You create a sustainable way to fight hunger.
That's a big thing that you mentioned. You are creating foods to deliver pharmaceutical
immunization. That is one of the new areas they're they're developing. Yeah,
getting getting stuff that actually causes your body to either you know, eat corn,
have a have a flu shot as well, or stop diarrhea or something.
And one thing I read said diarrhea was in there. Keep that in
mind. All I knows it said something something diarrhea doritos. Genetically modified animals
like cows might increase their milk yield, which we've mentioned with the RDBGH bio
remediation, which is damaged land can be stored through genetically modified organisms by providing
them with nutrients that they might be lacking. This is also where you would
see maybe things start growing where the land is heavily salinated, which means there's
a lot of salt in the land, or things don't normally grow there.
You put genetically modified things that ignore the salt and and can thrive actually in
that environment, and then you rebiome the land. Absolutely in South America,
aluminum toxicity in the soil is a problem, and they were working on they
actually already have products that can help with that. Instead of a farmer what
was currently happening. As a farmer he's got toxic earth, what he does
is he just finds another, you know, square mile of jungle, burns
it down. He knows that those ashes are going to fertilize the ground.
He'll get a couple of crops out of it, and then that's toxic and
then he'll move on. Not only is that leading to deforestation, but you
know, it's just it's a lot of work. Are you are you still
for it? What? No? No, no, no, I'm saying
this is what happens. What these other crops can do though, is work
with that. Because the way you solve an aluminum toxicity in the soils you
bring lye in a lime I'm sorry, you bring limean and mix it into
the soil. Now, these guys can't afford to do that, and it's
very difficult. It's just not so you so you deforced. No, you
stop deforesting. You're able to use the same pot like you were way for
deforestation. No, no, no, I'm saying this is what happens without
a genetically modified crop that actually has built intolerances for aluminum soil toxicity. Okay.
That way, this farmer can use the same land over and over.
He doesn't have to slash and burn. Okay, good. You also get
biofuels from it. Organic matter is bred to provide energy and then overall lower
costs for farmers with all this stuff. So those are those are some pretty
good benefits. Yeah, yeah, it sounds benefitacular. Sound sounds good.
So what are the potential dangers of these things in your book? There are
none. This is where the pages start turning blank and you can take field
notes. Oh yeah, oh man. You know what I love about this
is that when we're done with the dangers, I'm gonna go right back to
benefits. We haven't even scratched the surface, because because I've got a whole
other page of controversies might as well be filed under this. Now here's the
crappy thing. The potential dangers from all the sites that I've found, most
of them are pretty opinionated. Yeah, because I really looked for that.
I wanted to see, like I was looking for papers. I was looking
for Yeah, oh this study was done and when you eat this corn,
this happens to your b hole. I wanted to see that stuff. And
part of the reason I about that too is that some of the stuff I
read is like people have done this, and they've been independent scientists that have
done this, but they've been shut up or shut down or austrasized when their
findings come out. I yeah, I read a lot of things scientists say,
Yeah, you know a lot of those non. Yeah, here's here's
what has been researched. All right, So some studies suggest that that some
scientists say physical damage can come to organs and cells from genetically modified foods,
up to and including cancer. They may cause birth defects and animals in certain
certain cases because just to step aside real quick, crops that are grown and
genetically modified or genetically engineered, if they're not grown for consumption by the populace,
they are grown to feed to animals that are then consumed by the populace.
And in many cases the crops that are grown to feed animals are grown
specifically to feed animals. Right, they're they're actually genetically modified to further that
ends, right, and and not to be consumed by humans in any any
way, shape or ful. Never. Some of those can cause birth defects
and animals, also cancer and tumors. They could contain or introduce allergens to
a person's system. Something that may not have been in the food before that
a person was not allergic to. Through genetic modification, can become present,
and someone who is allergic to to that trait in a food will react to
it. Cross contamination can occur between farms from a farm that is genetically modified
and a farm that is organic. I sort of put quotes around that,
but you know what, and that's that's like saying that that could happen is
like saying a person smoking a cigarette at the table next to you could get
some smoke in your lungs. Like it's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah,
that's a whole issue in itself, which I don't know if we'll touch on
or not. But there's also a thing called gene escape where different species can
make a break for it, make a break for it to getting out of
the genes that are that are spliced in there can kind of leak over into
the weeds that they're trying to fight. So then the weeds get this resistant
resistance to herbicide or whatever they're spraying on there. So they have witnessed gene
escape. So your corn, basically corn that is that is modified to be
resistant to herbicide spray kind of gets it on with the weeds and the weeds
are then become super weeds. I would imagine that is exceptionally rare and so
far in nearest. I'm hearing a lot of kods. Okay, maybe I
should have been for the benefits. Say this stuff could taste better, better
texture exactly. That's that's the parody I was looking for. But also with
the super weeds, they can create super bugs so that nature can adapt to
this pesticide. The BT that that you know blows up their guts. Maybe
there's a generation that's born where their guts are okay with the BT, and
then you get bugs that are that much harder to kill. Now, this
this did happen. This happened in India. Um I was actually able to
find when I was looking for the I was trying to pregame your contrary perspective.
This absolutely did happen in India. And this is a tough one to
call. I don't you know, how do you? The The position was
that they did find that there were insects that were now BT resistant in this
one section of India that had been buying these BT genetically modified crops. And
it was determined by Monsanto. So I'm I'm I'm not calling this gospel,
okay. That the problems were is that not only were the guidelines for the
seeds poorly used, and so there was the seed was mixed with regular seed
um and they thought, well that, you know, we'll just you know,
you know, we'll just parse it out. Because the Monsanto does charge
a pretty penny for its corn sere, they mixed it with regular seed,
thus kind of dispersing it. And also and that I believe I not only
do I believe that poor farmers would do that because I can see the logic
in their minds of that, and I can also see how that would absolutely
produce resistant insects because you're you're literally slowly grading up the amount of BT that
they're exposed to you. It's it's a it's a textbook blueprint for how you
would create a resistant insect. Sure. And now here's where things get a
little Monsanti. Their second point was like, also, you were using Monsanto
BT one corn. We just created this Monsanto BT two corn that has two
different sources of BT production in its genome. BT one corn. You're only
firing on one cylinder. What you need is BT two corn with two two
sources of boget of biotherrngous doxin uh. And yeah, and so what starts
out as a very rational explanation ends up as a sales pitch, and that
is frustrating. And that's bullstein. Okay, um Stein is stone. Uh
So, Uh it could completely right, It could completely replace original crops.
Since the majority of the world is trying to grow, you know, as
much as they can. Uh, this stuff could completely wipe out any natural
organic crops that that are grown. I have to say at this point it's
probably inevitable. I mean, I think, I mean, they they really
aren't doing a good job of sequestering the GMO fields and they're doing a well
and they're also doing a great job at selling it to you know, huge
countries and poor countries and places. You know. It could encourage genetic mutations
since some of the genetic code is not stable after injecting new stuff into the
sequence. A little more on that in a bit. It's harmful to birds
and bees, now that I did not know it's how how so well?
They said that there's been a study done on monarch butterflies in United States specifically,
and since crops have been using genetically genetic modification, the monarch butterfly population
has dramatically decreased in and around those crops at least scientists. Scientists say I
was actually I did a modarch breeding program. And my nextpression was like,
Noah, those Eastern and Western monarchs and that's a sorry. I wonder if
they even knew. Um unauthorized genetically modified products have ended up in stuff for
human conception. So these engineered crops that are specifically for feed for animals have
oops, poopsy ended up in your sweet corn. Oh yeah in Southwest delight.
That so delightful. And I spit it out and I was like,
what is this for a pair? What is this texture? Why would they
put texture? It wasn't it was on It was on a list that I
saw. I was a mistake on their part. This can also lead to
corporate market dominance, meaning that small independent farmers can be wiped out basically because
the corporations and the huge aggro farms UH come in with all their crops and
make more for cheaper aggro farms as farm farms. Okay, con is thief
thieving agra, all right, So anyways, huge corporations of megafarms you know,
things like that can wipe out the small independent farmers. Great, that's
that's a list of of the some of the potential dangers. Now I have
a whole bunch of controversies that I would like to discuss with you. Bring
it now. Wait, I do have a diatribe first, Okay, before
we get to the controversies modifying living insects. They have actually created a modified
male mosquito that will go out and breed with the female, but then the
next generation is sterile. They were able to drop the population by eighty percent
in the in their test areas. That means they've functionally eradicated the disease.
We have no love of mosquitoes. They're bad things. And when you have
to attack a disease like malaria, yellow finger, a agg fever, you
have to hit the mosquitoes, and so genetically modifying them is brilliant and it
is saving lives every single day. And I will always match that up against
the texture of your corn chips, all right, Which it's not fair.
It's not fair to take mosquitoes versus corn. Thank you. I was going
to say, it's like comparing watermelons to bowling balls. You can texture way
off. Yes, I'm glad, I'm glad you you made that point,
because I am all four trying to get rid of super stupid mosquitos. I
am. I am completely against that stuff. So this is the type of
genetic engineering and modification that they should be doing. Yes, let's get rid
of diseases. Let's let's get let's do that. Don't do it though,
with stuff that I don't know is happening in my face when I put it
in my face. But my point is that hunger is a disease. Malnutrition
is a disease. I don't. I disagree because I think that hunger is
a poor allocation of resources. Countries could feed their people and they could do
it with help. Where where we're giving that help is wrong. The allocation
of help is wrong, and the allocation of the resources that is given is
wrong. But is not a getically modified corn an attempt to help to make
a better situation with the available allocation of resources. So you have a population
that's alive, but they're all they've all got stomach cancer. Now they're all
getting hair inside their mouth. Please tell me, Oh, they've all got
chainsaw hands? Is that what you wanted? A country of children? You
can't hug their mothers because of their chainsaw hand, but they can protect each
other. So well. Oh man, I think that there's a lot of
starving, killed children who would love to live long enough to have a problem
them with stomach cancer. Okay, Okay, if they want that, then
more power to them. I think that at this point, genetically modified crops
are treating the symptom, they're not treating the disease. Granted, I get,
I'll give you that. Great, let's go through. Let's just fist
pump that. Let's go through some controversies. Um, all right, It's
been said that scientific research on safety for the genetically modified foods has been reviewed
by independent scientists and found to be rigged to appear safe through manipulation of experiments.
Who's doing the scientific research? The biotech companies that profit from this research,
damn right, and it is very profitable. Okay, point for me.
Oh no, I think I'm I'm now, I'm just on your side.
I mean, what is this since we've all right, no, no,
no, I'm all about GM foods. I'm all about it. I'm
all about it. No. No, I think now that here we've done
our pros and cons and uh and I think that I think that we're we're
focusing in on the genuine problem that is pervasive that we can I love that
the controversies are the genuine problem that we get to. I think that's great.
Um, now I did hear and this is uh, this is something
that I didn't have time to look into, but I want to science.
Yeah, this is hippie science. At this point, FDA does not require
notification of introduction of GM products to be I guess grown. I think they
might for anything that is to be consumed by the public, but anything that
won't be directly going into our mouths that are full of hair will be.
It is not required by the FDA to have any any test done. They
could just put it out there. Oh no, I don't think that's entirely
accurate. I mean that probably not. I like I said, I only
found that that statement and nothing to back that up. And even if even
if the FDA doesn't have ordinances about that, the Department of Agriculture does,
so that that might be sort of one of those factually true but not what
you're trying to say, you know, like one of those things like,
oh, the fd doesn't have rules because the Department of Agriculture has rules that
govern those things. Yes, now I'm going to go on and uh pull
vault into into this part. Current FDA foods are is a man by the
name of Michael Taylor. Now what what what? Where did Taylor work before
working at the FDA. Uh you, I don't know if you'd have heard
of it or not. He did the Spanish company. He did a little
work for a company called Monsanto Santo. He was he was an attorney and
a pretty big lobbyist for the company. Now he is the second most powerful
man in the FDA. Yeah, that's bullstone. It's a lot of bullstone.
That's a pretty hefty bullstone right there. Uh Now, who's just and
who who appointed him? It was a bush? No, damn it because
it was Thanks Obama for point Monsanto lobbyist. And I imagine things are going
a lot smoother from Monsanto all of a sudden. You know what, I
heard that they are getting some fast tracked research and development going. Absolutely they
are. I mean that's how that See, this is what I'm talking about.
This is what I hate. I hate good science with an excellent reason
to be like that's helping people being turned into a product that is being shystily
marketed. Now I know that was the right German word. Sure, I
hate the manner in which that comes about. Um, Like, let's take
a second. Let's talk about Monsanto before we go any far right, All
right, let's do it. Let's go through this. Monsanto is a very
old company. It started uh in the very early twentieth century. And these
guys, I mean what as I researched them, I was a man.
They've stuck a lot of wings and a lot of buckets, oh so many
buckets. And now and I know them right now because of their their kind
of evolution as a company, we consider them to be exclusively a bio agricultural
corporation. I want to run down a quick list. I've got two lists
here that I made of good things Monsanto has come up with and bad things
that Monsanto has come up with. Okay, I don't know why I have
saccharin on the good list, but I do that was one of the first
things they made. Yeah, one of the first things they invented, Saccharinum,
that'll be I guess that'll be another podcast episode where I have to write
and is not good for you. I'm making this really clear. I don't
know why I put it on the good list. It's not good for you,
but they invented it. It's an artificial sweetener. Yeah, if you
don't know, they made all brand detergent. They then they sold that off
to another company. They made DDT. They started. DDT is of a
powerful insecticide. Turned out to have some pretty serious secondary effects for wildlife.
Was made very famous in the book Silent Spring. I put DDT in the
good list, and I will tell you why. DDT was an amazing and
excellent chemical. It was of such a powerful insecticide. You could dip a
mosquito net in this stuff, and ten years later, any mosquito that touched
that net would die. We had malaria on the ropes, we had yellow
fever on the ropes, and then we stopped using DDT and it has cost
millions of lives. I does that mean we lose some eagles, So be
it. I can live with that. I'm upset that we stopped using DDT.
We almost we'd almost eradicated vector borne diseases from mosquitos. That was worth
the price. Moving on, they invented a process to create pure chiral compounds.
That is a huge advance for people. They used this to create el
doopa, which to this day is still a huge It is a say it's
a town just south of the border where you can get I mean, you
know, just just just relax, lose yourself when they use this town to
treat Parkinson's. But no, the el dopa to this day is it's a
dopamine. It's a synthetic dopamine that they used to treat people with Parkinson's.
They invented astro turf. Yeah, Boise State thanks them every year with a
new Garish color for their stadium. True, but they were the first company
to mass produce LEDs light emitting diodes. Big deal. They invented Celebrex.
They actually invented. They invented the entire classification of cocks. Two inhibitors great,
which are great? Those are good helpful drugs. Side effects may include
dry mouth, palpitations, cancer, diabetes. Do not use celebrates if you
pregnant or expecting to become pregnant. Do not use celebrates if you breathe or
expect to breathe at any time. Do not still use alib rex if you
develop hairmouth or chains hi consult the stump immediately. Now on the bad side,
of Monsanto's work agent orange. Yeah. Yeah, the defoliator used extensively
in Vietnam during the war, which had horrifying results on the people infected.
Yeah, exactly, still do PCBs polychlorinated by fennels. Those are no longer
allowed to be made in the US. And I really hope that you guys
listen to our Floride podcast because these guys were also involved in aspects of the
Manhattan Project and the Atomic Energy Commission. Yeah, remember those guys, Remember
those guys that fast tracked everything in the research that they were doing for their
own means and means you know what it's like, anybody bon Santo's anybody good
to take them both and then you half months, I'm just gonna do the
soundtracks for everything from US too, um and and so. Yeah. So
there's a little nutshell Montsanto, what they've done, who they've been, and
now the kind of terrifying entity they've become. Yeah, I'll add a couple
of things to that. They're the ones in nineteen ninety four that introduced the
rBGH. Like we mentioned, the bovine growth hormone. They also developed the
glypha sate herbicide, which is now what they program into genes that they call
well, it's that's what they use in the product round up. Now you
may have heard of round up as you know, being the weed killer and
everything. Well, now they're programming genes to be resistant to round up,
in particular so that they can sell seeds that are are round up ready,
and they can sell round up so that they can be sprayed with the roundup
and not get affected by the roundup. UM roundup. So so if if
I had some statistical numbers on that, would I just round those down?
No? I wouldn't know. You wouldn't so. Um, No, it's
like cowboy round up, I think, yeah, I think so. Anyways,
they they have been pretty public about their intentions to control the world's seed
production and distribution as well. They want they have said, we want to
be the only seed producer and distributor of US crops apparently are roundup ready now
that the seeds that they get from on Santo they're the roundup ready and also
a lot of them have this the BT resistance, so they're there. They
have built the built in pesticide too, and they're working on stacking those so
that they are not only UM roundup ready. They also bull We've already,
yeah, we evil, We've already. Bowl worm is actually the bull stein
So um, no, it really is boll worm. Gotcha? What does?
Uh? Why why do we keep talking about the rBGH, the ribosomal
bovine growth hormone. I don't know. I just love my rich froth in
milk. I'll tell you what. Here's what it did. Yes, it
increased the yield of milk and cows a bit. But it was also called
crack for cows. I did not read that. Yeah, they also called
it cow crack. It's just not fair, destroyed communities. Here's what it
caused. There's an increase of twenty five percent risk of clinical mastetitis that has
to do with the others, forty percent reduction in fertility, and a fifty
five percent increased risk of lameness and or sickness. Yes, all right,
all right, So you guys get the Nu Genesis album. You guys want
to hop in my Kia Sorrento and no, seriously, guys, the Pussycat
Dolls are pretty good music group. But cows died, so sorry. So
yes, that's that's some other stuff that Montanto has has graced us with all
the while saying this stuff is great. Yeah, not good for cows.
Great agent orange, It's fine, forget about it, it's fine. Rbh.
Hey, if this weren't fine, then I'm a lame cow. Well,
and that's the thing I think mont Santos stock in Trade, for its
its history has been as long as we are the first people doing something,
we will already have cashed our paychecks by the time they make us stop.
That's true. And that is not a responsible corpse. You know, that's
not a responsible way of doing business. And so you almost have to say,
even those good things that they did, they didn't give a fuck if
they were bad things, right, you know, that's just them rolling the
dice. Ye, So if you it's an irresponsible way of running a business.
But unfortunately, the way that the corporate climate is structured right now,
it's the only way, right as long as you are ahead of legislation,
and Monsanto is and they can delay that legislation and they can control that legislation,
then they can they can make their money and then go, oh,
is that hurting people? Will stop? Now, let's stop, I guess
right, And they've already moved on to their next product, and and that's
I mean, it's it's awful, but it's it's it's painful and successful in
that order. All Right, I'll go back through and see if we can
get through some of these controversies. Real quick, let's go do the flavor
savers. The tomatoes. Oh yeah, they were delicious. When they were
force fed to rats, they resulted in stomach lesions and seven out of forty
rats died within two weeks of consuming these. Now, I will say that
tomatoes actually have an extraordinarily acidic compound in them, So if you're forced feeding
them to rats, you're going to give those rats stomach lesions. I mean,
I'm not an apologize, I'm but I would hope that they would have
a group of control rats where they fed them regular tomatoes and got no results
too. Who knows though. Now rats that were fed GM soy. Soybeans
are one of the one of, if not the biggest crop today that it's
produced. Rule the school, rats that were fed GM soy developed misshapen cells
and their livers. And in the UK, there was a study done where
rats that were fed genetically engineered potatoes showed abnormal thickening of stomach lining, So
a lot of stuff's going on in their digestive systems they after they get this
stuff in them. As I said before, genetic inserts are unstable in gene
sequences and they can mutate. It's been shown that there have been rescrambling of
DNA sequences after genetic modification, and not all the same way every time.
It's kind of a random thing too, So that's weird and that's not really
good. Six corporations control the world's grain supply, all based within the US
child naghetties. But that's kind of disconcerting, right, Yeah, that's that's
a lot of that's a lot of power in a very small number of hands,
and corporations are constantly merging and getting smaller and smaller too. Apparently,
the herbicide Glypha sat, which is why Montsanto developed, depletes soil health,
leading to smaller crops. MM. Interesting. As much as eighty percent of
food that's in a normal grocery store contains GM foods, and this is processed
or prepackaged foods that we get so enjoy that when you're when you're going shopping,
enjoy the texture. Now Here are a couple of the biggest reasons for
me that I think GMOs are under the bad column. Let's say, all
right, companies refuse to label food that is genetically modified. Yeah, and
they are under no FDA obligation to do so. Why keep it a secret?
Like, what's the big deal with that? The second thing, most
regulatory assessments on the stuff are based on data provided by biotech companies who profit
from the positive assessments. Means self regulating. Yeah, it's this is this
is Monsanto scientists doing research saying yes, Monsanto stuff is good. It turns
out we can charge that much for it. Sir, have a chestifear?
Yeah, have a chestifear just grew it this morning from a cigarette tree.
This is uh. And in the end, this means most people don't know
or have a choice when they're buying their food that they're getting genetically modified stuff,
and that is not right. I completely agree with that people have a
right to know what they're eating. They have a right to know if a
scientist has stuck in their bag of cheetos, Yes, they need to know
that, or if a syringe with genetic code has stuck its syringe tip in
their bag of treat right, exactly and so and those are important things,
and it is. It is ridiculous. And obviously you know who's fighting those
those labeling procedures, the corporations that are making it, because if you put
a label on there that says genetically modified, people will be less inclined to
buy that. People have what I believe to be a self defeating and ridiculous
and emotional attachment to natural things. You know, it's natural play eggs and
famine and drought and river blindness and malaria, those things are natural. That's
what happens in nature. Well, what else happens is that you can introduce
species to help with your crops bugs. If you're having troubled bugs, get
more sparrows out there. If you have troubled sparrows, then get more hawks
who Integrated pest management is a huge part of every farm, even the agricultural
even the Montsanto farms. IPM is used universally in the United States. I
used to actually did research my research projecting in college because unfortunately I couldn't get
funding for research into a vector borne disease and I was in Colorado. Diarathis
naxia, the Russian wheat apid. I did pest research, and what I
did is what my research focused on was exactly that integrated pest management. You
bring in Coxinella's lady beatles. They are voracious predators and they just wail on
aphids, So you bring those in. I mean, there's there's a lot
of work that is done on those things. And then when you have too
many lady beetles, you bring in spiders. We don't ever bring spiders,
all right, that is my promise. That's and that's the problem with these
farms. Delta into toxin, done light later. That's right. I dressed
as a lady beetle from my debut Tom Ball, my Cotillion would the same.
But this this leads us directly into a little thing called Prop. Thirty
seven. Thirty seven in California was a California referendum on whether or not genetically
engineered material sold to consumers would be labeled or prohibited the marketing of such foods
as natural. It was introduced as a referendum to be voted on to be
introduced as legislation in this this past November's elections in twenty twelve twelve um that
was that was the last year we just had right I you know what time's
relative, So next week on burried or last week. So opponents of Prop.
Thirty seven said that it was a scheme, a labeling scheme. Uh.
It would create bureaucracy that would cost taxpayers millions, It would authorize lawsuits
against small businesses, and it would increase grocery bills by hundreds of dollars a
year. Now here's the deal. Sixty one other countries already have this law.
There is no cost to consumers this. It does not cost anything to
put right that this is a GMO on on somebody's label. There's no incentives
for lawsuits. It's a simple do you have this on your labeled? You
not have the central Yeah, and many of the California's farmers supported it.
Major corporations spent forty five million dollars campaigning against this proposition. Yeah, scaring
people with a high grocery bill exactly. They hammered home that this would cost
people money. And in today's times, when everybody you know is worried about
the debt and the deficit and how much has everything going to call STI gosh,
because the rich keep getting richer and the poor just keep getting perier.
Then that's that hit home with a lot of people, and California voted no
on proposition thirty seven fifty three to forty seven percent. So California now does
not have to labeled GMOs, which and not the first time California has had
the opportunity to be out front and take the lead on a point and then
drop the ball. Correct, But this one was a huge disinformation campaign launched
by Monsanto right at the top, leading the way the funding against it.
Then, but you've got all your major Like if you go to the grocery
store and you you think of your top brands, they all I would bet
gave money to this. You've got Craft in there, Coca Cola is in
there, You've got del Monte Hinz was one of the ones Hershey's I mean
you think of all your major brands, why not? What's the big deal?
I mean, you're just thinking of putting profits before people's health from one
thing. If people are concerned about that, you know, and they're not
going to buy your your product because you've been messing around genetically with it since
the prevalence of of GMOs is what over eighty five ninety percent I mean it's
it's way up there. Yeah, of crops grown in the US. Yeah,
yeah, and in the products that we eat, you know, like
on the So that means that when you look at the you know, because
I'm just so focused on korn for some reason, when you look on the
snack chip shelf, that means that if all the snacks in there, there
is one and if you're lucky, two bags that don't contain GMOs. Yeah,
I would. I would say maybe it's an easier cell legally to have
a GMO free label for those people that you are not allowed to use if
you have GMOs, and then those bags can be they can have there because
there it's a smaller number. I don't know, am I My is that
I got lost? Is that like genetic apartheid? Since since only ten percent
of the items on a shelf at any grocery store don't contain GMOs, those
should be the the labeled items, oh I with a GMO free just and
like something that those guys that legally a legally protected label, just like they
they do such a terrible job of seeing things are organic or natural with no
real scientific underpinning to those things, right, I mean I have a feeling
that that things that say they're organic or that they're natural means like this has
been grown. It's a plant, so therefore it's organic. Right, it's
natural. But this is not of nuts, bolts and washers, thus it
is organic. Um, you know. And like I said, I think
that it's an emotional desire in people. They think that a hundred years ago
everyone was six feet tall, hale and healthy because they ate up you know,
good solid. That's not how people were. People were sickly and they
died of of ringworm. Sure, you know, Um, that's that's a
bias that we have getting close to watermelons and bowling balls though, because medication
has come a long way as well, right right, absolutely, But I
think that this this desire for things that are natural, and if you want
that, you should have the right to not only have it, but not
be lied to about getting it. Sure, personally, I don't think it's
a big deal. I don't. I don't care. I know that I
don't shop in that aisle. Well, I just don't care, that's the
thing. But I but everyone deserves to know and make the choice based on
what they want. I do agree with that now, in in the grocery
store. I believe that's a that's by your place, which I've frequented quite
a few times. The aisle that will tell you if does not have GMOs
in it is probably it's the shortest twentieth of the size of the entire store.
That while the organic health food snack chips and salsa i'le shares with like
toothbrushes and like the helium balloons for birthdays, it is the smallest, tiniest
piece of real estate grudgingly seated by a groceries store like, well, I
guess we've got to try to appeal to the hippies. Yeah, yeah,
I can't have them in here again. Here you go everywhere. I agree,
I do agree, And I behind most of my stuff from that right
and and and here's the sad truth is, you get, on the other
hand, a place like Whole Foods, which I u is a wonderland.
Right, it's a lot more expensive to shop there, sadly, and sadder
still, the percentages don't change a whole food the packaging does, then the
pricing is higher, but the percentages of items containing GMOs doesn't change. Despite
what they say. That is something that I did find out in my research.
Yeah, that's something that they're gonna have to work on, right,
you know. And that's a hard thing because they really they do have high
quality meats and cheese is like, it's great stuff. I'm not against it
at all. I've wished that I live closer to one so I could spend
more money there. Yeah, But having said that, if things that like
organic, locally sourced produce and a non GMO filled bag of potato chips is
important to you, you're doing no better at Whole Foods than you are at
any other grocery store. I'd have to say you're doing a little. I
mean I think that they have the whole Their whole store is that aisle that
Whole Foods is the I mean, if it's lying, if they're lying,
then at least I've got that piece of mind. I guess. Yeah,
you've done the best you can. You've done due diligence. The products are
different enough, Yeah, at least in the labeling. Like you said,
who knows what we're really getting in our bodies. I will only buy meat
from there, though, Yeah, Like I don't want to buy meat from
other just normal grocery stores. Because because you know that that other episode that
we're gonna do on Pink Slime. O. Man, I know the meat
guys at my grocery store by name. I used to eat so much ground
beef, and I used to be so angry. I can't I'll say that
I can't remember the last time I ate grand beef. I'm pretty careful about
what I eat. I know I eat a lot of fish. Yeah,
and my here's my here's I mean, what do you think of this?
This is my my internal dialogue that I have. I like tallapia. I
know what I buy is like the farm raised, mass produced. It's literally
made in dumpsters. Sure a front of mine went to a telapia farm.
Like it's just big industrial dumpsters. And so I'm like, oh, but
on the other hand, I know that they don't have all the mercury running
through them. So it's it's hard, it's it's it is a really difficult
thing to find food that is not actively killing. Yeah. Yeah, And
so you know, I ducked the whole problem by just not eating tilapia anymore.
I eats swy so Vietnamese fish. I probably the worst thing I could
have done. I don't care. I mean, I'm so close to to
just cashing in whatever I have, taking the thirty dollars to my name,
and moving out somewhere that's kind of remote where I can plant my own stuff,
hopefully find some non GM seeds and plant my own stuff and basically mostly
live on that. You know, rain and rain water. It's like everything
that we put in our bodies is just so messed up anymore. That's true.
But even I mean, you can eat the most pristine if you know,
break into a seed lab, steal seeds from three hundred years ago and
germinate them and grow them and still get colon cancer. You know, like,
there's no it happens right, exactly these things happen, I don't,
you know, And it's too soon to know what the real incidence rates are.
Yeah, and that is the risk. There is a huge risk to
that. I can say solidly that if if my ship sinks, I won't
be the only one at the bottom of the bay. Well, that's true.
A lot of people don't care. Yeah, maybe I'll find so much
company in my misery. I personally think that at the end of the day,
the benefits. I'm not going to say that way the risks, because
the risks could be stomach cancer, right, although the risks could be agent
orange, the risks could be you know, these PCBs, they could be
catastrophic risks, a disease that just wipes out all the plants. Now we
all starved at death. You know, there are huge risks. But I
also so think that it's worth it to have the research done. I don't
care for the manner in which it's done, right now, Yeah, you
do? You do? You want to know what I think would solve this.
If they made the system kind of like Civilization the game and then just
let me play it, then I'd have something to do this weekend. I'd
have something to do. The world we get fed. Yeah, if they
were just you know, clicky buttons and sliders and every now and then you
got to deal with some other guy who wants to make a treaty with you,
right, Yeah, that would be great. I'm sorry, it's not
like that. I'll work on that. Maybe for Christmas. Let's all work
on that, man. I mean, we've been going for a while and
that's that's great and terrible. But like I hope we've made the wonderful world
of genetic engineering hilarious and fun. Yeah. The thing with this is we
could keep going, and the debate could keep going going every day. We
took a break to have a two part episode debate. We decided that no
one wants to hear two hours of it. So you got one big hunk
of yeah, genetically modified seed hill here. Yeah, we've we've spliced the
genome of this subject. We tried to inject some promoters for hilarity. Some
of them stuck, most of them didn't. But that, yeah, that's
that's GMOs in a genetically modified nutshell. Yeah, I am so ready for
some puns. Oh my god, please bring on the puns. Who wants
to start? I think you should this time. I've been starting the last
couple of weeks. I have an instant messaging service called gmomgh. That is
just ridiculous. Should be slapped for that, all right? I have an
idea. It's as a shout out from my friend Nick M. Wherever you
are Ukraine in Bastard, It's a genetically modified Ukrainian neurotransmitter called El dupa.
Dupa is Ukrainian for but it's a pun. What do you want it?
Square off? I'm going to kick your ass. I am all ass.
You cannot kick all of me. All right, great? I have some
concrete contractors okay called Paver Saver. Oh I like that? Okay, based
on that tomato. Did you get it? Yeah? I did. I
didn't get that one. All right. Well. Uh. In the face
of some negative public publicity, corporation decides to reinvigorate their image as a benefactor,
a giver of gifts to society. So I'm proud to introduce Monsa to
his new mascot, Mon Santa, Grow, Grow Grow. That's what he
says, Mon Santa. Oh man, this is the box of puns that
have fun. Beep in that. Well, I have to say you saved
it with bro Grow Grow. I wasn't on it was skeptical and then you
said grow, grow grow, and I was like, it's okay. Please
direct your hate mail to blurry Photos. The website blurry photos dot org have
a contact thing on there. It's great. Hey, this week we have
puns. Hole, it's a pun stravagans and the children and say is it
is it just me? Or is one of those kids working a little too
hard? Though I don't entirely buy it. He's trying to get more work
for himself for later. Y well, it doesn't work that way. Yeah,
Jeremy, Jesus, Jeremy. Uh. This one, this one's a
new one. We haven't gotten one from from this listener. This this listener
is listener Chris. Hey, Chris, thanks for sending this in. Uh,
he's got a pun for us, he says, did you guys hear
about the new thin corn chip freedo lay lines? Oh? Yes, perfect,
I'll tell you this. The mark, the hallmark of a great pun
is when they say you're like, guy, should have thought it. Yep,
yep, yep. Well done, Chris, well played. Welcome aboard,
sir. Thanks, thanks sir for listening, and thanks for sending us
stuff. Keep them coming. We have. We have a few puns from
sophomore listener Greg. Oh yeah, that's right. You made it out a
freshman. We just bumped you up. Yeah, that's right. And uh,
you're you're getting your AP classes in there already, I think. Yeah,
unlike Alistair Crawley, you don't have to travel the world and then promote
yourself. We see, we don't have to go to Mexico. Yeah,
just to become the level thirty eight. No, we're where. We see
what you're doing. We like it, and we're rewarding you with that.
Yeah, keep keep up the good work. You want to start us out
with what Greg has sent us? Do? I? All right, yeah,
Greg, Greg, Greg's serving it up hot. I think this is
from one of our earlier episodes. Greg hits us with this. When Tesla
worked for Edison. He had a tiny office and he stayed there night and
day. So when employees went looking for the fellow co worker a colleagues would
say, I don't know, check Nicholas Cage because because he was stuck there.
Oh, I feel a little like my head's on fire, but I'm
good. Oh man, if you if, if you feel right now like
you don't hate Nicholas Cage enough, just YouTube up any scene of his in
Peggy Sue Got Married. Oh, he adopts the most ridiculous voice on earth
Proof. Thank you, Greg? But oh do you think that's it?
Is it? I'm not even done thanking Greg. Oh man, he's not
even done thinking us. Yeah. Check out the hottest new reality show.
Greg's letting us know about a cryptozoological legend. Is living in New York making
his way in the Big City. Watch The Mothman Cometh on TLC like scripted
The Mothman Cometh. Why didn't we think of that? Oh? I know
that I was literally just wallowing in my own self hatred for that brilliantly done.
Thank you, Greg. But oh, is the Greg train pulled out
of the station yet? Or can I still gets on board? I think
you can still get on if you got the right ticket to punch. Oh,
I got nothing but tickets. I am a ticket. I am the
ticket. Please don't punch me. Yeah. This, this particular ticket is
from the Ghosts episode the Ghost Taxonomy. Yeah, one of my favorites.
It was a fun one, he says, when golfing with a specter.
If he takes a chunk out of the ground with his driver, always tell
him to replace his dibbic sports. Oh, well, surely the train has
to pull out now. I mean, it's on a timetable and all right.
I would love to imagine that Greg is in board meetings and he's not
paying attention. He's just hammering away on his phone. And listen, he
realizes that the room's quiet and everyone's looking at him. He still doesn't care.
He puns on, he puns on forwards that pun we've never asked for
about you before. But Greg's gonna need some money pretty soon, so if
you would just send that in. We gotta keep this guy afloat until he
gets job, all for the love of puns. That's right, puns is
a hell of a drug holder. All right? Tell what else? What's
on this? What's on the caboose of this train? Well, we hate
to see it go, Greg, but we love to watch you leave.
Do you want me to handle this caboose or do you want to handle that?
Oh? No, I'm taking this one right because this this is the
epitome of why the didn't I think of this? This caboose is loose?
Oh, because he's Greg's brought us a product. I can't wait, hold
on, hold on, let me get my let me get my official studio
voiceover voice ready at him? Are you getting ready for a night of sexy,
platy and pleasure? Then you must use the A few no spirit can
resist. Channelling number five. Channeling number five be something to nothing. That's
brilliant, It's great. I love that. That is a great product,
even even a slogan, Yeah exactly, and it really well written, really
well done. I'm I'm jealous and furious. We'll never read another thing from
you. Greg. You're showing us up. And he's he even tacked a
bonus punt on here. Oh yeah, that's right. This so that was
the caboose, but this is like the conductor, the guy who takes tickets
waving to you from Kavers right, there's also a store for people who's summon
who's summon all manner of spirits who are also a very average size called mediums.
Now, that's a flora pund. I'd expect to hear that one out
of you. I don't know if that's a compliment or not. It's punched
compliments. That's that to me. It sounds like a show that's coming on
HBO soon. Yeah, true, I don't know. Everybody, jump jump
on that Greg train. It's it'll be in your town soon. I'm sure
due here it comes, y'all all in answer, but thank you seriously for
sending in puns you guys, and and please, I mean we love reading
them. You know what you should do, dear listeners, go to iTunes
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new goal. Oh my gosh, I don't know what we'll do when that
happens. Oh man, I'm tempted to offer a certificate, but I'll be
coquettish. Ye at this point, I'm going to hold back on hat hold
back. You should also follow us on Twitter. We also got a new
Twitter follower. Did you know? Sweet? No, I did not thank
you for following us. Blurry underscore photos And that's that's That's pretty much all
the business that I got. I think you guys, You guys know what
to do. You're great, You're just the best. Well, we'll let
you formulate your own GMO opinion about this stuff. Hey, look, I
added another pun for you, Oh, gm opinion. Nice. I don't
have to try doing it, bron word jas man. I'm David the Scatman
Flora, the scion of science, the genetically engineered and ultimate Dave Stecko.
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