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The dagger flog. The blur follows, I hate stairs so much? Why

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do we immediately start recording after I
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Can you hear how more little?
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you who aren't fans of Adam Sandler, I find that on his album.

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Yeah great, Hey, everybody,
this is blurry photos. This is totally

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blurry photos. My nearis resolution is
to stay Dave Stecco. I've already broken

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my David Flora. I hope everybody's
doing well. We got a good show.

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Yeah, it's it's a science packed
edition. Oh man, it's it's

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science, conspiracy and fear packed horror, scaredy stuff. That's right, from

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the highest offices of government down to
the lowliest corn dog. The papers with

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that separates the two. You know, I'd like to point out that I

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don't consider any corn dogs lowly.
They are each perfect snowflakes, and I

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will devour them all if given enough
time. Let's jump into some of this

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stuff. Now. We're talking today
all about GMOs. That's genetically modified organisms,

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right. We're also we're also going
to delve into genetically engineered food.

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YEP, we're gonna talk about what
the difference between GMOs and ges are and

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what they do, what the benefits
are, what the dangers are. We'll

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talk a little bit about how prevalent
they are in the world today. We're

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gonna discuss are they bad for you? Are they not? Right? We've

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got all kinds of things. This
is bag is full of dates, one

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for each of you. Oh man, I just didn't know how to finish

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that, so he slipped and just
kept kept grabbing for stuff. Right.

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Well, this this episode is full
of amazing facts and you're gonna have a

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lot of fun. So let's just
dive into it. I've into it now.

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Bring thee flora, GMOs, gee
foods, genetically everything there. It's

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all kind of under the same incestuous
umbrella, although there is a bit of

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difference between them. Now we'll attempt
to um differentiate them as best we can

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here. GMOs genetically modified organisms.
It's an organism whose genetic code has been

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altered, subtracted, or added to
to give it characteristics that it does not

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have naturally. Basically, it could
speed up a genetic alter alteration that might

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happen naturally or through through cross breeding
or just natural natural propagation of the plants

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exactly. Genetically Engineered organisms are organisms
that have had genes directly incorporated to generate

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results that don't or can't occur in
nature. Right Does that sound right to

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you? Yeah? Okay, that
one. To sum up, it would

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be basically be creating something that that
a plant doesn't have or any organisms.

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I think. I think the generally
engineered items you see more in the research

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side of the world. I mean, obviously there's exceptions to all these things,

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but for the most part, you're
going to see the geos more.

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These are um, knockout mice.
These are very specific strains of fruit flies,

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right, um, you know,
I think you see those more in

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the research side. The GMOs are
these are the things that you are probably

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snacking on right now as you're happily
listening to this podcast. That's true.

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That's true. I'm just gonna come
out with this right now, like right

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off the top, because I have
no reason to be afraid of my perspective.

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I love science. I want science
into everything right, and I am

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wholly and I know there are going
to be exceptions to those, and I

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want you to show them to me, David Flora, But I am wholly

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on board with genetically modifying or engineering
anything that we see within our purview that

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does not please us. Okay,
I want all of it to be messed

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with. I am taking the opposite
stance today and hopefully in the future.

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I don't want anything to do with
any genetically modified anything going into my body.

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There could be exceptions, sure,
you know, and I hope that

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you point those out to me as
well. But I have a few examples

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of why I don't want this stuff
going in my body, which I will

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share with you and everyone today,
and hopefully most of this will be on

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the scientific side and not as much
on the opinionated side, because if you

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do your research on this, and
if you look at stuff on the interwebs

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about this this subject matter, you're
going to get a crap ton of opinions

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right in your face all of a
sudden. This is a really polarizing issue.

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Yeah. One of the reasons I'm
excited to be on the side of

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the lab coats is that you actually
don't there isn't a huge amount. I

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don't hear a lot of defense of
science, of of why these things are

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done, you know, like why
why we have genetically engineered these things why

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we've modified organisms. But it is
because it's an emotional issue. Especially in

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the research I did. Parents of
young children are really concerned about this.

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It is a new technology. How
is it going to affect children? Does

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it affect development? These are all
really valid questions, and it is it

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comes down to the food we eat
every single day. And while I absolutely

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will defend the science and the reasoning, I think that, as we'll probably

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get into a little bit later,
the means by which that science has brought

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to us and is how it is
sold beyond a little questionable. Yeah,

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And I think that that it's it's
hard to it's hard to say, eat

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the cake that I broke into your
house and placed on your chest while you

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were asleep, go ahead and eat
it. That's it's hard to trust that

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cake. You write down old hag
syndrome by the way, something. But

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you know, the means by which
things are brought to us and the means

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by which they are done are important
as the things themselves to us. Yeah,

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to everyone, And I feel like
this subject. I think that the

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entire debate about genetically modified corn for
them, you know, for the most

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part, is what I like to
look into because I think it's the biggest

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one and it's such a huge subject. I couldn't look at everything. On

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one hand, I think there are
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But man, were they just handled
poorly by businessmen? Well, that's

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funny that you should say that you're
on the side of the lab coats.

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I would consider myself on the side
of lab coats as well, in the

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fact that I think research is great. Um doing development and the research of

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all this stuff. It can only
benefit us as long as it's not then

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taken and put in our bodies without
our consent. I feel like the reason

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I have bad news for you I
already dibbs lab coats. So now you're

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on the side of I have fun
with that, all right, hippie.

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I'm you're with the lab coats,
Dickens. But the thing is the lab

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coats underneath that lab coat. You
know what they got on a suit?

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Oh you are in bed with the
suits sometimes. Oh man, I was

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positive you were going to say crocs
so comfortable. Yeah, like a hamp

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grateful dead shirt or something. No, it's way worse. Uh. Let's

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let's stop yanking each other's chains here
and get get into some more of what

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what the hell we're talking about before
we get too excited about debating it.

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The GMO foods that you're going to
find out there commonly today, the biggest

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ones are going to be soybeans,
corn, canola, cotton flavor savored,

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delayed ripening tomatoes. These are the
genetically modified. Now, the funny thing

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is about this, genetically engineered crops
usually and can be the same stuff.

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You get corn, soybeans, cotton, canola, alfalfa. So this is

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why they're all kind of under the
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this is also why, in my
opinion, to start out with this is

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just annoying to look at and to
try and research. Oh man, it

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is just a tidal wave. I
mean, you've got you've got GMOs,

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you've got GM foods, you've got
GM crops, you've got GE foods,

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you've got GE crops. And one
article is saying they're all the same thing.

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One article is saying each one is
different in its own way. And

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the way they say it's different is
that it's something that's been genetically modified,

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while this one is something that has
been modified genetically. That's how they're different.

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Fuck you man put some research or
science behind it or something. It's

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it's just terrible to research this stuff
because everything looks like it's it's different,

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says it's different, but then when
you when you look into it, it's

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not different, and there's a total
info on it. Oh yeah, well

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you've got I mean, you have
people with an with an emotional stake in

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it. So you've got emotional people
on one side, and you have patent

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lawyers on the other. Right,
And when those are the two least clear

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groups of people on Earth, neither
of them are interested in in one sentence

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reductionism, right. Those two groups
just don't have any interest in a clear,

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concise resolution, right. And they
also, I feel like, don't

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have an interest in sitting down and
discussing stuff either. Um, all right,

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let's talk a little about timeline history. Yeah, yeah, GMOs,

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it's a good idea. The genetics
with our food. No wait, is

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that GMOs or g all right?
That was that was me all last night.

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Um. In nineteen forty six,
you get scientists discover that DNA can

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transfer between organisms, which sets the
stage for this stuff. Now, in

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nineteen eighty three, that's when you
get the first genetically modified plant, which

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was the antibiotic resilient tobacco plant.
Then you go ahead to nineteen ninety four.

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That's when you get the old Flavor
Saver tomato, which is a modified

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tomato that is modified to delay rotting, which means it has a longer shelf

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life. And that's that's approved for
marketing and actually put on the market and

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purchased and consumed by consumers. Now
you may recognize these tomatoes because in nineteen

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ninety five they started exploding, killing
approximately seventeen hundred people. That did that

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not happen? No, oh,
you might be thinking of attack of the

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killer tomato. I get that confused
with reality all the time. This was

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also the year that rBGH is made
by Monsanto and sold to farmers. rBGH

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being a bovine growth hormone. It's
a bovine growth hormone that increases said to

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increase milky yield from from each individual
cow. More on that later. Then

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we get to nineteen ninety five when
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to be grown and distributed. And
then in two thousand you get a product

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called golden rice which has been produced
and that's just rice that is yellow in

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color and has added vitamin A to
it. Now, that's that's just a

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brief highlight timeline of what's going on
with with GM foods in the world.

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Most of them right now are grown
in America, but there's been a rapid

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growth in developing countries absolutely where they
desperately need more food, right, more

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food or were more pest resistant food. The goal in these in these modifications,

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I mean, like the I almost
feel like the flavor slavor tomato,

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which is awesome in my opinion,
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outlier. It's not. Usually they're
not as directly marketable as hey, this

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just won't rot as fast, right, you know how great is that?

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Usually the modifications are things that we
the consumer would never really think of.

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Drought resistance, pest resistance, ability
to plant in you, or a faster

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life cycle, things that matter in
deeply to the people who are growing the

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food. We sure, but for
us, I mean we never see that,

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right. We just say, oh, is corn still six cents for

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a dump truck full of it?
Awesome? Yes? Please? Yeah,

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as long as it doesn't have worms
crawling out of it, We're gonna put

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in our faces there's actually experimentation going
on right now genetically modified salmon, salmon

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that that mature in like half the
time. There they grow bigger and fatter

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and stronger and faster and can get
to the market in half the time that

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it takes to farm regular salmon,
which is what we already have with tilapia.

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That actually has been happening for years. That's why telapia is delicious and

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inexpensive. Genetically modified crops they take
this this approach, they're like, well,

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sometimes breeding is not the best thing. Consistently inbreeding the same traits over

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and over, you you might get
the trait you want, but you'll lose

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a lot of other things. And
in plants, this is a huge this

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is a huge issue you don't get. They call vigor is the word they

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use to kind of overall the strength, the health, how fast corn or

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crop develops, how vigorous the crop
is. And they farmers figured out pretty

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quickly that consistent inbreeding of their best
ears did not produce vigorous crops. They

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did not help them the way they
wanted. So it was kind of frustrating,

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which is why you end up getting
what they call hybridized crop ops.

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And hybridized crops are where you take
two very dissimilar strains of I'll just keep

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saying corn because it's the example I'm
working with, and when you breathe them,

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those those dissimilarities actually produce a very
robust crop. It matures faster,

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you get a higher yield out of
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it was difficult. You can't take
corn from Georgia and drive it all the

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way up to Maine, you know, not on my watch. Um.

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And this is where the science of
hybridized corn comes in. Now, hybridized

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corn is the corn that we eat, and it is up anymore true.

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But in this this is this is
hybridized corn is simply recombining very different strains

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of corn to get a better yield. This has Now there's no gene insertion

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going on here, there's no crazy
towns. But you will always get a

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better from a hybridized corn. Now, scientifically, this is manipulated now so

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that we're making sure like, oh, here's the genome of corn. A,

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here's the genome of corn. B. Monsanto did a ton of research

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on this themselves and it helps everyone. Now you then you add into that

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these genetic modifications. For example of
BT, which is Basillus thringens um.

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It's it's a naturally occurring insecticide.
What happens is this bacteria creates what's called

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the delta endotoxin, which is uh
for I wasn't she on designing women.

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That's why you can't take it to
Maine, dude, from the Georgia depon.

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My name is delta endotoxin. These
cupcakes on the delicious, Oh,

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I hate pisss. I'm just gonna
swat these be I'm gonna kill them all

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the uncivilized animals. So this delta
endotoxin comes right back. It messes with

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cat ion channels in the calcium gates
calseum gates. Yes, it messes with

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the cat ion channels in the epithelium
of the insect's gut, thus killing the

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insect. These gates matter. Chemistry
is important, dude. But I know

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I kind of went down the rabbit
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it. So now you've got a
corn that is growing better than a cornwood

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on your own. It is you're
getting a better yield, You're getting more

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of it, and it's growing faster. It's growing healthier. You're losing lest

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of it. But here's the thing, even before you add anything genetically to

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it, you can't take the seed
of that corn and just simply replant it

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and let it refertilize itself. Why
because then you're you're making the initial error

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again. You're in breeding the corn, and you will get a consistently worse

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and worse product out of it.
So you only even if you're even if

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you cross breed these to get this
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yield of the result of the best
result, the best result of the highest

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result. Yes, and this is
this. This was the true in nineteen

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thirty when they started hybridizing crops.
This is before Watson and Crick, This

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was before gene manipulation. I think
that that farmers though, because agriculture has

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been around since what go Beckley Teppy
never heard of it. Don't you think

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that farmers have have figured that out
and have been doing that since before nineteen

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thirty four, the getting the best
stuff out of what they could. No,

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No, that's that's exactly the problem
is that farmers have always been trying

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to figure it out, and farmers
for the most part, were illiterate.

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I mean I mean you don't have
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that's but my point is that there's
no there's no body of evidence to go

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back to. Okay, there there's
no there's no scientific approach to it.

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This Farmer's Almanac that I've heard about
it, it's just bulls right. Well,

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and I don't and and I and
believe there's nothing about cross And I

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don't mean like farmers are illiterates and
they're not intelligent at all. I just

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mean like historically their rural they know
they're they're they what they're doing, but

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they there's still that that era of
chance in crops, like, well,

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if the crops good, this is
going to happen. And so there was

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that that an idea, Well it
worked in the barnyard, so why doesn't

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it work in the field. Um. And it wasn't until they started doing

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some work on this and really scientifically
approaching hybridization and seeing how much better they

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could make the crops just by by
ensuring that they hybridized two different species and

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produced a more robust crop. Okay, so then you get so you've got

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these hybridized seeds, and now you
start to incorporate new genes that incorporate this

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BT toxin. You've now saved yourself
from having to buy or pesticides. The

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other thing is BT toxin does nothing
to us. Our casium channels are ion

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channel. Animals don't give a fuck
about it. That was actually a jingle

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from the late eighties, brought to
you my on Santo um. But it's

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it's helpful. You don't get corn, you don't get worms in your corn,

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you don't you get a higher yield, you don't have as many past

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problems. This is huge to especially
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Now, what is the downside?
Shrug? Really? Yeah, okay,

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see that's that's where I first draw
the line. I'm like, okay,

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okay, this is magnificent and there's
no catch. No, there's totally catches.

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But they're not on the scientific side
of it. What are they the

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money side? Yeah? Who cares? Catch is a catch man? All

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right, I'll tell you what.
Let's let's keep going through potential benefits before

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I before I launch any salvos here. You you've already hit uh, you

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know a number of them. It's
been said GMO crops benefit the environment by

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decreasing the amounts of pesticides that are
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them. Things like that. You
get increased yield, more food from less

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land. You get bigger, heartier
crops that are more resilient. You get

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foods that taste better, have better
texture, and more nutrients. Not subjective

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at all, even though, even
though we're still talking benefits those last three,

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I like, all of a sudden, I just saw a press release

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just fall out of your mouth.
Better texture, These corn chips are the

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corniest corn chips that ever corned into
my corn. All did I just say

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I'm shoving chips up my ass?
Depends on your definition of corn hoe.

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That's right, that's a gay.
Yeah, it could have just been tossing

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bags. Yeah, I'm just tossing
chips at a board on the ground.

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You also get foods with a longer
shelf life, and that includes shipping them

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from farm to the market. You
create a sustainable way to fight hunger.

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That's a big thing that you mentioned. You are creating foods to deliver pharmaceutical

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immunization. That is one of the
new areas they're they're developing. Yeah,

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getting getting stuff that actually causes your
body to either you know, eat corn,

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have a have a flu shot as
well, or stop diarrhea or something.

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And one thing I read said diarrhea
was in there. Keep that in

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mind. All I knows it said
something something diarrhea doritos. Genetically modified animals

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like cows might increase their milk yield, which we've mentioned with the RDBGH bio

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remediation, which is damaged land can
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them with nutrients that they might be
lacking. This is also where you would

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see maybe things start growing where the
land is heavily salinated, which means there's

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a lot of salt in the land, or things don't normally grow there.

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You put genetically modified things that ignore
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that environment, and then you rebiome
the land. Absolutely in South America,

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aluminum toxicity in the soil is a
problem, and they were working on they

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actually already have products that can help
with that. Instead of a farmer what

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was currently happening. As a farmer
he's got toxic earth, what he does

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is he just finds another, you
know, square mile of jungle, burns

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it down. He knows that those
ashes are going to fertilize the ground.

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He'll get a couple of crops out
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then he'll move on. Not only
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know, it's just it's a lot
of work. Are you are you still

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for it? What? No?
No, no, no, I'm saying

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this is what happens. What these
other crops can do though, is work

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with that. Because the way you
solve an aluminum toxicity in the soils you

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bring lye in a lime I'm sorry, you bring limean and mix it into

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the soil. Now, these guys
can't afford to do that, and it's

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very difficult. It's just not so
you so you deforced. No, you

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stop deforesting. You're able to use
the same pot like you were way for

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deforestation. No, no, no, I'm saying this is what happens without

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a genetically modified crop that actually has
built intolerances for aluminum soil toxicity. Okay.

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That way, this farmer can use
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He doesn't have to slash and burn. Okay, good. You also get

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biofuels from it. Organic matter is
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costs for farmers with all this stuff. So those are those are some pretty

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good benefits. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds benefitacular. Sound sounds good.

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So what are the potential dangers of
these things in your book? There are

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none. This is where the pages
start turning blank and you can take field

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notes. Oh yeah, oh man. You know what I love about this

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is that when we're done with the
dangers, I'm gonna go right back to

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benefits. We haven't even scratched the
surface, because because I've got a whole

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other page of controversies might as well
be filed under this. Now here's the

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crappy thing. The potential dangers from
all the sites that I've found, most

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of them are pretty opinionated. Yeah, because I really looked for that.

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I wanted to see, like I
was looking for papers. I was looking

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for Yeah, oh this study was
done and when you eat this corn,

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this happens to your b hole.
I wanted to see that stuff. And

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part of the reason I about that
too is that some of the stuff I

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read is like people have done this, and they've been independent scientists that have

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done this, but they've been shut
up or shut down or austrasized when their

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findings come out. I yeah,
I read a lot of things scientists say,

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Yeah, you know a lot of
those non. Yeah, here's here's

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what has been researched. All right, So some studies suggest that that some

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scientists say physical damage can come to
organs and cells from genetically modified foods,

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up to and including cancer. They
may cause birth defects and animals in certain

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certain cases because just to step aside
real quick, crops that are grown and

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genetically modified or genetically engineered, if
they're not grown for consumption by the populace,

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they are grown to feed to animals
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And in many cases the crops that
are grown to feed animals are grown

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specifically to feed animals. Right,
they're they're actually genetically modified to further that

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ends, right, and and not
to be consumed by humans in any any

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way, shape or ful. Never. Some of those can cause birth defects

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and animals, also cancer and tumors. They could contain or introduce allergens to

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a person's system. Something that may
not have been in the food before that

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a person was not allergic to.
Through genetic modification, can become present,

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and someone who is allergic to to
that trait in a food will react to

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it. Cross contamination can occur between
farms from a farm that is genetically modified

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and a farm that is organic.
I sort of put quotes around that,

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but you know what, and that's
that's like saying that that could happen is

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like saying a person smoking a cigarette
at the table next to you could get

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some smoke in your lungs. Like
it's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah,

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that's a whole issue in itself,
which I don't know if we'll touch on

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or not. But there's also a
thing called gene escape where different species can

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make a break for it, make
a break for it to getting out of

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the genes that are that are spliced
in there can kind of leak over into

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the weeds that they're trying to fight. So then the weeds get this resistant

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resistance to herbicide or whatever they're spraying
on there. So they have witnessed gene

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escape. So your corn, basically
corn that is that is modified to be

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resistant to herbicide spray kind of gets
it on with the weeds and the weeds

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are then become super weeds. I
would imagine that is exceptionally rare and so

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far in nearest. I'm hearing a
lot of kods. Okay, maybe I

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should have been for the benefits.
Say this stuff could taste better, better

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texture exactly. That's that's the parody
I was looking for. But also with

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the super weeds, they can create
super bugs so that nature can adapt to

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this pesticide. The BT that that
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there's a generation that's born where their
guts are okay with the BT, and

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then you get bugs that are that
much harder to kill. Now, this

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this did happen. This happened in
India. Um I was actually able to

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find when I was looking for the
I was trying to pregame your contrary perspective.

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This absolutely did happen in India.
And this is a tough one to

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call. I don't you know,
how do you? The The position was

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that they did find that there were
insects that were now BT resistant in this

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one section of India that had been
buying these BT genetically modified crops. And

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it was determined by Monsanto. So
I'm I'm I'm not calling this gospel,

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okay. That the problems were is
that not only were the guidelines for the

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seeds poorly used, and so there
was the seed was mixed with regular seed

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um and they thought, well that, you know, we'll just you know,

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you know, we'll just parse it
out. Because the Monsanto does charge

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a pretty penny for its corn sere, they mixed it with regular seed,

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thus kind of dispersing it. And
also and that I believe I not only

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do I believe that poor farmers would
do that because I can see the logic

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in their minds of that, and
I can also see how that would absolutely

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produce resistant insects because you're you're literally
slowly grading up the amount of BT that

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they're exposed to you. It's it's
a it's a textbook blueprint for how you

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would create a resistant insect. Sure. And now here's where things get a

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little Monsanti. Their second point was
like, also, you were using Monsanto

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BT one corn. We just created
this Monsanto BT two corn that has two

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different sources of BT production in its
genome. BT one corn. You're only

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firing on one cylinder. What you
need is BT two corn with two two

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sources of boget of biotherrngous doxin uh. And yeah, and so what starts

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out as a very rational explanation ends
up as a sales pitch, and that

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is frustrating. And that's bullstein.
Okay, um Stein is stone. Uh

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So, Uh it could completely right, It could completely replace original crops.

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Since the majority of the world is
trying to grow, you know, as

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much as they can. Uh,
this stuff could completely wipe out any natural

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organic crops that that are grown.
I have to say at this point it's

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probably inevitable. I mean, I
think, I mean, they they really

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aren't doing a good job of sequestering
the GMO fields and they're doing a well

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and they're also doing a great job
at selling it to you know, huge

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countries and poor countries and places.
You know. It could encourage genetic mutations

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since some of the genetic code is
not stable after injecting new stuff into the

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sequence. A little more on that
in a bit. It's harmful to birds

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and bees, now that I did
not know it's how how so well?

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They said that there's been a study
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and since crops have been using genetically
genetic modification, the monarch butterfly population

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has dramatically decreased in and around those
crops at least scientists. Scientists say I

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was actually I did a modarch breeding
program. And my nextpression was like,

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Noah, those Eastern and Western monarchs
and that's a sorry. I wonder if

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they even knew. Um unauthorized genetically
modified products have ended up in stuff for

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human conception. So these engineered crops
that are specifically for feed for animals have

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oops, poopsy ended up in your
sweet corn. Oh yeah in Southwest delight.

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That so delightful. And I spit
it out and I was like,

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what is this for a pair?
What is this texture? Why would they

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put texture? It wasn't it was
on It was on a list that I

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saw. I was a mistake on
their part. This can also lead to

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corporate market dominance, meaning that small
independent farmers can be wiped out basically because

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the corporations and the huge aggro farms
UH come in with all their crops and

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make more for cheaper aggro farms as
farm farms. Okay, con is thief

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thieving agra, all right, So
anyways, huge corporations of megafarms you know,

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things like that can wipe out the
small independent farmers. Great, that's

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that's a list of of the some
of the potential dangers. Now I have

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a whole bunch of controversies that I
would like to discuss with you. Bring

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it now. Wait, I do
have a diatribe first, Okay, before

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we get to the controversies modifying living
insects. They have actually created a modified

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male mosquito that will go out and
breed with the female, but then the

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next generation is sterile. They were
able to drop the population by eighty percent

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00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.760
in the in their test areas.
That means they've functionally eradicated the disease.

407
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.440
We have no love of mosquitoes.
They're bad things. And when you have

408
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.000
to attack a disease like malaria,
yellow finger, a agg fever, you

409
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:06.039
have to hit the mosquitoes, and
so genetically modifying them is brilliant and it

410
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.480
is saving lives every single day.
And I will always match that up against

411
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.000
the texture of your corn chips,
all right, Which it's not fair.

412
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.360
It's not fair to take mosquitoes versus
corn. Thank you. I was going

413
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.360
to say, it's like comparing watermelons
to bowling balls. You can texture way

414
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:30.400
off. Yes, I'm glad,
I'm glad you you made that point,

415
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:36.920
because I am all four trying to
get rid of super stupid mosquitos. I

416
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.480
am. I am completely against that
stuff. So this is the type of

417
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:45.960
genetic engineering and modification that they should
be doing. Yes, let's get rid

418
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.480
of diseases. Let's let's get let's
do that. Don't do it though,

419
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.679
with stuff that I don't know is
happening in my face when I put it

420
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.760
in my face. But my point
is that hunger is a disease. Malnutrition

421
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.480
is a disease. I don't.
I disagree because I think that hunger is

422
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:07.400
a poor allocation of resources. Countries
could feed their people and they could do

423
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:12.679
it with help. Where where we're
giving that help is wrong. The allocation

424
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.880
of help is wrong, and the
allocation of the resources that is given is

425
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.559
wrong. But is not a getically
modified corn an attempt to help to make

426
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:25.119
a better situation with the available allocation
of resources. So you have a population

427
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:30.079
that's alive, but they're all they've
all got stomach cancer. Now they're all

428
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:37.760
getting hair inside their mouth. Please
tell me, Oh, they've all got

429
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:43.159
chainsaw hands? Is that what you
wanted? A country of children? You

430
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.280
can't hug their mothers because of their
chainsaw hand, but they can protect each

431
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:55.400
other. So well. Oh man, I think that there's a lot of

432
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:59.960
starving, killed children who would love
to live long enough to have a problem

433
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.480
them with stomach cancer. Okay,
Okay, if they want that, then

434
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:08.159
more power to them. I think
that at this point, genetically modified crops

435
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.800
are treating the symptom, they're not
treating the disease. Granted, I get,

436
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.199
I'll give you that. Great,
let's go through. Let's just fist

437
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:20.800
pump that. Let's go through some
controversies. Um, all right, It's

438
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:25.760
been said that scientific research on safety
for the genetically modified foods has been reviewed

439
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:31.000
by independent scientists and found to be
rigged to appear safe through manipulation of experiments.

440
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.679
Who's doing the scientific research? The
biotech companies that profit from this research,

441
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.000
damn right, and it is very
profitable. Okay, point for me.

442
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.239
Oh no, I think I'm I'm
now, I'm just on your side.

443
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.599
I mean, what is this since
we've all right, no, no,

444
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.440
no, I'm all about GM foods. I'm all about it. I'm

445
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.559
all about it. No. No, I think now that here we've done

446
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.719
our pros and cons and uh and
I think that I think that we're we're

447
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.480
focusing in on the genuine problem that
is pervasive that we can I love that

448
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.920
the controversies are the genuine problem that
we get to. I think that's great.

449
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.400
Um, now I did hear and
this is uh, this is something

450
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:20.039
that I didn't have time to look
into, but I want to science.

451
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.360
Yeah, this is hippie science.
At this point, FDA does not require

452
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.880
notification of introduction of GM products to
be I guess grown. I think they

453
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.559
might for anything that is to be
consumed by the public, but anything that

454
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.719
won't be directly going into our mouths
that are full of hair will be.

455
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:44.920
It is not required by the FDA
to have any any test done. They

456
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.239
could just put it out there.
Oh no, I don't think that's entirely

457
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.239
accurate. I mean that probably not. I like I said, I only

458
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.920
found that that statement and nothing to
back that up. And even if even

459
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.360
if the FDA doesn't have ordinances about
that, the Department of Agriculture does,

460
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:05.000
so that that might be sort of
one of those factually true but not what

461
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:06.800
you're trying to say, you know, like one of those things like,

462
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.639
oh, the fd doesn't have rules
because the Department of Agriculture has rules that

463
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:15.960
govern those things. Yes, now
I'm going to go on and uh pull

464
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:21.679
vault into into this part. Current
FDA foods are is a man by the

465
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.360
name of Michael Taylor. Now what
what what? Where did Taylor work before

466
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.519
working at the FDA. Uh you, I don't know if you'd have heard

467
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:36.960
of it or not. He did
the Spanish company. He did a little

468
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:43.360
work for a company called Monsanto Santo. He was he was an attorney and

469
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:50.760
a pretty big lobbyist for the company. Now he is the second most powerful

470
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:55.039
man in the FDA. Yeah,
that's bullstone. It's a lot of bullstone.

471
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.039
That's a pretty hefty bullstone right there. Uh Now, who's just and

472
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.000
who who appointed him? It was
a bush? No, damn it because

473
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:12.840
it was Thanks Obama for point Monsanto
lobbyist. And I imagine things are going

474
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.079
a lot smoother from Monsanto all of
a sudden. You know what, I

475
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:21.760
heard that they are getting some fast
tracked research and development going. Absolutely they

476
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:23.679
are. I mean that's how that
See, this is what I'm talking about.

477
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:30.079
This is what I hate. I
hate good science with an excellent reason

478
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:36.679
to be like that's helping people being
turned into a product that is being shystily

479
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:40.800
marketed. Now I know that was
the right German word. Sure, I

480
00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:45.559
hate the manner in which that comes
about. Um, Like, let's take

481
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.440
a second. Let's talk about Monsanto
before we go any far right, All

482
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.920
right, let's do it. Let's
go through this. Monsanto is a very

483
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:57.519
old company. It started uh in
the very early twentieth century. And these

484
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.960
guys, I mean what as I
researched them, I was a man.

485
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.159
They've stuck a lot of wings and
a lot of buckets, oh so many

486
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.960
buckets. And now and I know
them right now because of their their kind

487
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:13.159
of evolution as a company, we
consider them to be exclusively a bio agricultural

488
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.320
corporation. I want to run down
a quick list. I've got two lists

489
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:22.119
here that I made of good things
Monsanto has come up with and bad things

490
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.400
that Monsanto has come up with.
Okay, I don't know why I have

491
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.480
saccharin on the good list, but
I do that was one of the first

492
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.840
things they made. Yeah, one
of the first things they invented, Saccharinum,

493
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:36.079
that'll be I guess that'll be another
podcast episode where I have to write

494
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.280
and is not good for you.
I'm making this really clear. I don't

495
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.440
know why I put it on the
good list. It's not good for you,

496
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.760
but they invented it. It's an
artificial sweetener. Yeah, if you

497
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.960
don't know, they made all brand
detergent. They then they sold that off

498
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:53.880
to another company. They made DDT. They started. DDT is of a

499
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:59.719
powerful insecticide. Turned out to have
some pretty serious secondary effects for wildlife.

500
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:04.320
Was made very famous in the book
Silent Spring. I put DDT in the

501
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.239
good list, and I will tell
you why. DDT was an amazing and

502
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:13.280
excellent chemical. It was of such
a powerful insecticide. You could dip a

503
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.599
mosquito net in this stuff, and
ten years later, any mosquito that touched

504
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:21.440
that net would die. We had
malaria on the ropes, we had yellow

505
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.800
fever on the ropes, and then
we stopped using DDT and it has cost

506
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.719
millions of lives. I does that
mean we lose some eagles, So be

507
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.159
it. I can live with that. I'm upset that we stopped using DDT.

508
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:37.920
We almost we'd almost eradicated vector borne
diseases from mosquitos. That was worth

509
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:45.480
the price. Moving on, they
invented a process to create pure chiral compounds.

510
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.519
That is a huge advance for people. They used this to create el

511
00:42:49.559 --> 00:43:00.840
doopa, which to this day is
still a huge It is a say it's

512
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.400
a town just south of the border
where you can get I mean, you

513
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:09.159
know, just just just relax,
lose yourself when they use this town to

514
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:15.440
treat Parkinson's. But no, the
el dopa to this day is it's a

515
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.639
dopamine. It's a synthetic dopamine that
they used to treat people with Parkinson's.

516
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:25.599
They invented astro turf. Yeah,
Boise State thanks them every year with a

517
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.400
new Garish color for their stadium.
True, but they were the first company

518
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:37.159
to mass produce LEDs light emitting diodes. Big deal. They invented Celebrex.

519
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:44.280
They actually invented. They invented the
entire classification of cocks. Two inhibitors great,

520
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.519
which are great? Those are good
helpful drugs. Side effects may include

521
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:52.320
dry mouth, palpitations, cancer,
diabetes. Do not use celebrates if you

522
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.199
pregnant or expecting to become pregnant.
Do not use celebrates if you breathe or

523
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.280
expect to breathe at any time.
Do not still use alib rex if you

524
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:16.719
develop hairmouth or chains hi consult the
stump immediately. Now on the bad side,

525
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:23.920
of Monsanto's work agent orange. Yeah. Yeah, the defoliator used extensively

526
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:30.280
in Vietnam during the war, which
had horrifying results on the people infected.

527
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:36.920
Yeah, exactly, still do PCBs
polychlorinated by fennels. Those are no longer

528
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.519
allowed to be made in the US. And I really hope that you guys

529
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:45.800
listen to our Floride podcast because these
guys were also involved in aspects of the

530
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.719
Manhattan Project and the Atomic Energy Commission. Yeah, remember those guys, Remember

531
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.000
those guys that fast tracked everything in
the research that they were doing for their

532
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:01.320
own means and means you know what
it's like, anybody bon Santo's anybody good

533
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:09.280
to take them both and then you
half months, I'm just gonna do the

534
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:14.559
soundtracks for everything from US too,
um and and so. Yeah. So

535
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.679
there's a little nutshell Montsanto, what
they've done, who they've been, and

536
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.559
now the kind of terrifying entity they've
become. Yeah, I'll add a couple

537
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.000
of things to that. They're the
ones in nineteen ninety four that introduced the

538
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.159
rBGH. Like we mentioned, the
bovine growth hormone. They also developed the

539
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:39.320
glypha sate herbicide, which is now
what they program into genes that they call

540
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:45.679
well, it's that's what they use
in the product round up. Now you

541
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:47.840
may have heard of round up as
you know, being the weed killer and

542
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.280
everything. Well, now they're programming
genes to be resistant to round up,

543
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.840
in particular so that they can sell
seeds that are are round up ready,

544
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.880
and they can sell round up so
that they can be sprayed with the roundup

545
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:07.920
and not get affected by the roundup. UM roundup. So so if if

546
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.360
I had some statistical numbers on that, would I just round those down?

547
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:19.360
No? I wouldn't know. You
wouldn't so. Um, No, it's

548
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.880
like cowboy round up, I think, yeah, I think so. Anyways,

549
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:28.559
they they have been pretty public about
their intentions to control the world's seed

550
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.239
production and distribution as well. They
want they have said, we want to

551
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:40.639
be the only seed producer and distributor
of US crops apparently are roundup ready now

552
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.880
that the seeds that they get from
on Santo they're the roundup ready and also

553
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:51.480
a lot of them have this the
BT resistance, so they're there. They

554
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:55.320
have built the built in pesticide too, and they're working on stacking those so

555
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.440
that they are not only UM roundup
ready. They also bull We've already,

556
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.000
yeah, we evil, We've already. Bowl worm is actually the bull stein

557
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.519
So um, no, it really
is boll worm. Gotcha? What does?

558
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:13.960
Uh? Why why do we keep
talking about the rBGH, the ribosomal

559
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.679
bovine growth hormone. I don't know. I just love my rich froth in

560
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.800
milk. I'll tell you what.
Here's what it did. Yes, it

561
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.239
increased the yield of milk and cows
a bit. But it was also called

562
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:30.239
crack for cows. I did not
read that. Yeah, they also called

563
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:37.119
it cow crack. It's just not
fair, destroyed communities. Here's what it

564
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:44.639
caused. There's an increase of twenty
five percent risk of clinical mastetitis that has

565
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:50.599
to do with the others, forty
percent reduction in fertility, and a fifty

566
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:55.559
five percent increased risk of lameness and
or sickness. Yes, all right,

567
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:10.960
all right, So you guys get
the Nu Genesis album. You guys want

568
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:17.360
to hop in my Kia Sorrento and
no, seriously, guys, the Pussycat

569
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:28.079
Dolls are pretty good music group.
But cows died, so sorry. So

570
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.000
yes, that's that's some other stuff
that Montanto has has graced us with all

571
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.599
the while saying this stuff is great. Yeah, not good for cows.

572
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:42.119
Great agent orange, It's fine,
forget about it, it's fine. Rbh.

573
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.559
Hey, if this weren't fine,
then I'm a lame cow. Well,

574
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.599
and that's the thing I think mont
Santos stock in Trade, for its

575
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:55.559
its history has been as long as
we are the first people doing something,

576
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.400
we will already have cashed our paychecks
by the time they make us stop.

577
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:02.880
That's true. And that is not
a responsible corpse. You know, that's

578
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.440
not a responsible way of doing business. And so you almost have to say,

579
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.880
even those good things that they did, they didn't give a fuck if

580
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.079
they were bad things, right,
you know, that's just them rolling the

581
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.599
dice. Ye, So if you
it's an irresponsible way of running a business.

582
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.719
But unfortunately, the way that the
corporate climate is structured right now,

583
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:28.119
it's the only way, right as
long as you are ahead of legislation,

584
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.599
and Monsanto is and they can delay
that legislation and they can control that legislation,

585
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.599
then they can they can make their
money and then go, oh,

586
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.119
is that hurting people? Will stop? Now, let's stop, I guess

587
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.880
right, And they've already moved on
to their next product, and and that's

588
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.760
I mean, it's it's awful,
but it's it's it's painful and successful in

589
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.480
that order. All Right, I'll
go back through and see if we can

590
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.920
get through some of these controversies.
Real quick, let's go do the flavor

591
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:00.679
savers. The tomatoes. Oh yeah, they were delicious. When they were

592
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:05.800
force fed to rats, they resulted
in stomach lesions and seven out of forty

593
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.559
rats died within two weeks of consuming
these. Now, I will say that

594
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:15.880
tomatoes actually have an extraordinarily acidic compound
in them, So if you're forced feeding

595
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.559
them to rats, you're going to
give those rats stomach lesions. I mean,

596
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.639
I'm not an apologize, I'm but
I would hope that they would have

597
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:29.119
a group of control rats where they
fed them regular tomatoes and got no results

598
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:34.639
too. Who knows though. Now
rats that were fed GM soy. Soybeans

599
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.280
are one of the one of,
if not the biggest crop today that it's

600
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:45.280
produced. Rule the school, rats
that were fed GM soy developed misshapen cells

601
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:47.559
and their livers. And in the
UK, there was a study done where

602
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:54.039
rats that were fed genetically engineered potatoes
showed abnormal thickening of stomach lining, So

603
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:59.320
a lot of stuff's going on in
their digestive systems they after they get this

604
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.559
stuff in them. As I said
before, genetic inserts are unstable in gene

605
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:08.760
sequences and they can mutate. It's
been shown that there have been rescrambling of

606
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:15.480
DNA sequences after genetic modification, and
not all the same way every time.

607
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.880
It's kind of a random thing too, So that's weird and that's not really

608
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.920
good. Six corporations control the world's
grain supply, all based within the US

609
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:35.840
child naghetties. But that's kind of
disconcerting, right, Yeah, that's that's

610
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.000
a lot of that's a lot of
power in a very small number of hands,

611
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:45.199
and corporations are constantly merging and getting
smaller and smaller too. Apparently,

612
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:50.440
the herbicide Glypha sat, which is
why Montsanto developed, depletes soil health,

613
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.960
leading to smaller crops. MM.
Interesting. As much as eighty percent of

614
00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:00.960
food that's in a normal grocery store
contains GM foods, and this is processed

615
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:06.800
or prepackaged foods that we get so
enjoy that when you're when you're going shopping,

616
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.199
enjoy the texture. Now Here are
a couple of the biggest reasons for

617
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.119
me that I think GMOs are under
the bad column. Let's say, all

618
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:21.920
right, companies refuse to label food
that is genetically modified. Yeah, and

619
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.719
they are under no FDA obligation to
do so. Why keep it a secret?

620
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:29.880
Like, what's the big deal with
that? The second thing, most

621
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:36.920
regulatory assessments on the stuff are based
on data provided by biotech companies who profit

622
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:43.239
from the positive assessments. Means self
regulating. Yeah, it's this is this

623
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:50.880
is Monsanto scientists doing research saying yes, Monsanto stuff is good. It turns

624
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.360
out we can charge that much for
it. Sir, have a chestifear?

625
00:52:55.599 --> 00:53:02.039
Yeah, have a chestifear just grew
it this morning from a cigarette tree.

626
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.679
This is uh. And in the
end, this means most people don't know

627
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:12.800
or have a choice when they're buying
their food that they're getting genetically modified stuff,

628
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.639
and that is not right. I
completely agree with that people have a

629
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.280
right to know what they're eating.
They have a right to know if a

630
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:23.199
scientist has stuck in their bag of
cheetos, Yes, they need to know

631
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:30.239
that, or if a syringe with
genetic code has stuck its syringe tip in

632
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.960
their bag of treat right, exactly
and so and those are important things,

633
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.280
and it is. It is ridiculous. And obviously you know who's fighting those

634
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.039
those labeling procedures, the corporations that
are making it, because if you put

635
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:47.840
a label on there that says genetically
modified, people will be less inclined to

636
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:53.199
buy that. People have what I
believe to be a self defeating and ridiculous

637
00:53:53.280 --> 00:54:00.719
and emotional attachment to natural things.
You know, it's natural play eggs and

638
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:06.880
famine and drought and river blindness and
malaria, those things are natural. That's

639
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.400
what happens in nature. Well,
what else happens is that you can introduce

640
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:16.320
species to help with your crops bugs. If you're having troubled bugs, get

641
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.840
more sparrows out there. If you
have troubled sparrows, then get more hawks

642
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:25.159
who Integrated pest management is a huge
part of every farm, even the agricultural

643
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:31.039
even the Montsanto farms. IPM is
used universally in the United States. I

644
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:37.079
used to actually did research my research
projecting in college because unfortunately I couldn't get

645
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:43.079
funding for research into a vector borne
disease and I was in Colorado. Diarathis

646
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:46.440
naxia, the Russian wheat apid.
I did pest research, and what I

647
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:51.639
did is what my research focused on
was exactly that integrated pest management. You

648
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:57.800
bring in Coxinella's lady beatles. They
are voracious predators and they just wail on

649
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.679
aphids, So you bring those in. I mean, there's there's a lot

650
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.199
of work that is done on those
things. And then when you have too

651
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:07.199
many lady beetles, you bring in
spiders. We don't ever bring spiders,

652
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.119
all right, that is my promise. That's and that's the problem with these

653
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:24.079
farms. Delta into toxin, done
light later. That's right. I dressed

654
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:30.360
as a lady beetle from my debut
Tom Ball, my Cotillion would the same.

655
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.039
But this this leads us directly into
a little thing called Prop. Thirty

656
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:44.760
seven. Thirty seven in California was
a California referendum on whether or not genetically

657
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:51.880
engineered material sold to consumers would be
labeled or prohibited the marketing of such foods

658
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:57.639
as natural. It was introduced as
a referendum to be voted on to be

659
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:07.239
introduced as legislation in this this past
November's elections in twenty twelve twelve um that

660
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.920
was that was the last year we
just had right I you know what time's

661
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:24.800
relative, So next week on burried
or last week. So opponents of Prop.

662
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:30.599
Thirty seven said that it was a
scheme, a labeling scheme. Uh.

663
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:37.079
It would create bureaucracy that would cost
taxpayers millions, It would authorize lawsuits

664
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.280
against small businesses, and it would
increase grocery bills by hundreds of dollars a

665
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.920
year. Now here's the deal.
Sixty one other countries already have this law.

666
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:51.920
There is no cost to consumers this. It does not cost anything to

667
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:55.679
put right that this is a GMO
on on somebody's label. There's no incentives

668
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.119
for lawsuits. It's a simple do
you have this on your labeled? You

669
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:05.079
not have the central Yeah, and
many of the California's farmers supported it.

670
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:13.880
Major corporations spent forty five million dollars
campaigning against this proposition. Yeah, scaring

671
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:17.840
people with a high grocery bill exactly. They hammered home that this would cost

672
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:22.119
people money. And in today's times, when everybody you know is worried about

673
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:27.880
the debt and the deficit and how
much has everything going to call STI gosh,

674
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.079
because the rich keep getting richer and
the poor just keep getting perier.

675
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:36.079
Then that's that hit home with a
lot of people, and California voted no

676
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:42.079
on proposition thirty seven fifty three to
forty seven percent. So California now does

677
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.800
not have to labeled GMOs, which
and not the first time California has had

678
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.679
the opportunity to be out front and
take the lead on a point and then

679
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.519
drop the ball. Correct, But
this one was a huge disinformation campaign launched

680
00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:00.760
by Monsanto right at the top,
leading the way the funding against it.

681
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.840
Then, but you've got all your
major Like if you go to the grocery

682
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.280
store and you you think of your
top brands, they all I would bet

683
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:13.360
gave money to this. You've got
Craft in there, Coca Cola is in

684
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:17.639
there, You've got del Monte Hinz
was one of the ones Hershey's I mean

685
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.360
you think of all your major brands, why not? What's the big deal?

686
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.719
I mean, you're just thinking of
putting profits before people's health from one

687
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:29.400
thing. If people are concerned about
that, you know, and they're not

688
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:34.320
going to buy your your product because
you've been messing around genetically with it since

689
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.639
the prevalence of of GMOs is what
over eighty five ninety percent I mean it's

690
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:43.559
it's way up there. Yeah,
of crops grown in the US. Yeah,

691
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.519
yeah, and in the products that
we eat, you know, like

692
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:47.760
on the So that means that when
you look at the you know, because

693
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.400
I'm just so focused on korn for
some reason, when you look on the

694
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.719
snack chip shelf, that means that
if all the snacks in there, there

695
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.480
is one and if you're lucky,
two bags that don't contain GMOs. Yeah,

696
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:02.800
I would. I would say maybe
it's an easier cell legally to have

697
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:09.199
a GMO free label for those people
that you are not allowed to use if

698
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.760
you have GMOs, and then those
bags can be they can have there because

699
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.679
there it's a smaller number. I
don't know, am I My is that

700
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:21.960
I got lost? Is that like
genetic apartheid? Since since only ten percent

701
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.639
of the items on a shelf at
any grocery store don't contain GMOs, those

702
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.519
should be the the labeled items,
oh I with a GMO free just and

703
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.800
like something that those guys that legally
a legally protected label, just like they

704
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.119
they do such a terrible job of
seeing things are organic or natural with no

705
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:44.559
real scientific underpinning to those things,
right, I mean I have a feeling

706
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.639
that that things that say they're organic
or that they're natural means like this has

707
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:52.639
been grown. It's a plant,
so therefore it's organic. Right, it's

708
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.519
natural. But this is not of
nuts, bolts and washers, thus it

709
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:00.039
is organic. Um, you know. And like I said, I think

710
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.719
that it's an emotional desire in people. They think that a hundred years ago

711
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.360
everyone was six feet tall, hale
and healthy because they ate up you know,

712
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.599
good solid. That's not how people
were. People were sickly and they

713
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:17.079
died of of ringworm. Sure,
you know, Um, that's that's a

714
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:23.079
bias that we have getting close to
watermelons and bowling balls though, because medication

715
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:27.599
has come a long way as well, right right, absolutely, But I

716
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.000
think that this this desire for things
that are natural, and if you want

717
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:34.239
that, you should have the right
to not only have it, but not

718
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.599
be lied to about getting it.
Sure, personally, I don't think it's

719
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:40.119
a big deal. I don't.
I don't care. I know that I

720
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:44.639
don't shop in that aisle. Well, I just don't care, that's the

721
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:47.920
thing. But I but everyone deserves
to know and make the choice based on

722
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.840
what they want. I do agree
with that now, in in the grocery

723
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.519
store. I believe that's a that's
by your place, which I've frequented quite

724
01:00:55.559 --> 01:01:00.360
a few times. The aisle that
will tell you if does not have GMOs

725
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:07.679
in it is probably it's the shortest
twentieth of the size of the entire store.

726
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:15.400
That while the organic health food snack
chips and salsa i'le shares with like

727
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:23.199
toothbrushes and like the helium balloons for
birthdays, it is the smallest, tiniest

728
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:30.679
piece of real estate grudgingly seated by
a groceries store like, well, I

729
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.719
guess we've got to try to appeal
to the hippies. Yeah, yeah,

730
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:38.760
I can't have them in here again. Here you go everywhere. I agree,

731
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:43.119
I do agree, And I behind
most of my stuff from that right

732
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.800
and and and here's the sad truth
is, you get, on the other

733
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:51.920
hand, a place like Whole Foods, which I u is a wonderland.

734
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.559
Right, it's a lot more expensive
to shop there, sadly, and sadder

735
01:01:55.679 --> 01:02:01.599
still, the percentages don't change a
whole food the packaging does, then the

736
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:07.480
pricing is higher, but the percentages
of items containing GMOs doesn't change. Despite

737
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.119
what they say. That is something
that I did find out in my research.

738
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:14.119
Yeah, that's something that they're gonna
have to work on, right,

739
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.480
you know. And that's a hard
thing because they really they do have high

740
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:22.559
quality meats and cheese is like,
it's great stuff. I'm not against it

741
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.360
at all. I've wished that I
live closer to one so I could spend

742
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:30.360
more money there. Yeah, But
having said that, if things that like

743
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:37.519
organic, locally sourced produce and a
non GMO filled bag of potato chips is

744
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.840
important to you, you're doing no
better at Whole Foods than you are at

745
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.960
any other grocery store. I'd have
to say you're doing a little. I

746
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.800
mean I think that they have the
whole Their whole store is that aisle that

747
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:54.079
Whole Foods is the I mean,
if it's lying, if they're lying,

748
01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:00.239
then at least I've got that piece
of mind. I guess. Yeah,

749
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.480
you've done the best you can.
You've done due diligence. The products are

750
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.840
different enough, Yeah, at least
in the labeling. Like you said,

751
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.599
who knows what we're really getting in
our bodies. I will only buy meat

752
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.719
from there, though, Yeah,
Like I don't want to buy meat from

753
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.159
other just normal grocery stores. Because
because you know that that other episode that

754
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.320
we're gonna do on Pink Slime.
O. Man, I know the meat

755
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:30.480
guys at my grocery store by name. I used to eat so much ground

756
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:37.519
beef, and I used to be
so angry. I can't I'll say that

757
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.440
I can't remember the last time I
ate grand beef. I'm pretty careful about

758
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:44.639
what I eat. I know I
eat a lot of fish. Yeah,

759
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.840
and my here's my here's I mean, what do you think of this?

760
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:52.639
This is my my internal dialogue that
I have. I like tallapia. I

761
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:57.079
know what I buy is like the
farm raised, mass produced. It's literally

762
01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:00.159
made in dumpsters. Sure a front
of mine went to a telapia farm.

763
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.679
Like it's just big industrial dumpsters.
And so I'm like, oh, but

764
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:08.679
on the other hand, I know
that they don't have all the mercury running

765
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.920
through them. So it's it's hard, it's it's it is a really difficult

766
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:15.880
thing to find food that is not
actively killing. Yeah. Yeah, And

767
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.960
so you know, I ducked the
whole problem by just not eating tilapia anymore.

768
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:26.239
I eats swy so Vietnamese fish.
I probably the worst thing I could

769
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:30.760
have done. I don't care.
I mean, I'm so close to to

770
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:34.199
just cashing in whatever I have,
taking the thirty dollars to my name,

771
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:41.480
and moving out somewhere that's kind of
remote where I can plant my own stuff,

772
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:48.199
hopefully find some non GM seeds and
plant my own stuff and basically mostly

773
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.840
live on that. You know,
rain and rain water. It's like everything

774
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.800
that we put in our bodies is
just so messed up anymore. That's true.

775
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.960
But even I mean, you can
eat the most pristine if you know,

776
01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:05.639
break into a seed lab, steal
seeds from three hundred years ago and

777
01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:10.559
germinate them and grow them and still
get colon cancer. You know, like,

778
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.480
there's no it happens right, exactly
these things happen, I don't,

779
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:17.920
you know, And it's too soon
to know what the real incidence rates are.

780
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:21.159
Yeah, and that is the risk. There is a huge risk to

781
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:26.760
that. I can say solidly that
if if my ship sinks, I won't

782
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.760
be the only one at the bottom
of the bay. Well, that's true.

783
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.920
A lot of people don't care.
Yeah, maybe I'll find so much

784
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:36.400
company in my misery. I personally
think that at the end of the day,

785
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.920
the benefits. I'm not going to
say that way the risks, because

786
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.599
the risks could be stomach cancer,
right, although the risks could be agent

787
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:49.920
orange, the risks could be you
know, these PCBs, they could be

788
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:56.639
catastrophic risks, a disease that just
wipes out all the plants. Now we

789
01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.639
all starved at death. You know, there are huge risks. But I

790
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.239
also so think that it's worth it
to have the research done. I don't

791
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.719
care for the manner in which it's
done, right now, Yeah, you

792
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:08.199
do? You do? You want
to know what I think would solve this.

793
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:14.639
If they made the system kind of
like Civilization the game and then just

794
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:19.679
let me play it, then I'd
have something to do this weekend. I'd

795
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.440
have something to do. The world
we get fed. Yeah, if they

796
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:26.719
were just you know, clicky buttons
and sliders and every now and then you

797
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:29.639
got to deal with some other guy
who wants to make a treaty with you,

798
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.920
right, Yeah, that would be
great. I'm sorry, it's not

799
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.039
like that. I'll work on that. Maybe for Christmas. Let's all work

800
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:42.239
on that, man. I mean, we've been going for a while and

801
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.840
that's that's great and terrible. But
like I hope we've made the wonderful world

802
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:54.880
of genetic engineering hilarious and fun.
Yeah. The thing with this is we

803
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.519
could keep going, and the debate
could keep going going every day. We

804
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:01.840
took a break to have a two
part episode debate. We decided that no

805
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:05.599
one wants to hear two hours of
it. So you got one big hunk

806
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:13.039
of yeah, genetically modified seed hill
here. Yeah, we've we've spliced the

807
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.719
genome of this subject. We tried
to inject some promoters for hilarity. Some

808
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:21.719
of them stuck, most of them
didn't. But that, yeah, that's

809
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:28.199
that's GMOs in a genetically modified nutshell. Yeah, I am so ready for

810
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:33.920
some puns. Oh my god,
please bring on the puns. Who wants

811
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.920
to start? I think you should
this time. I've been starting the last

812
01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:45.880
couple of weeks. I have an
instant messaging service called gmomgh. That is

813
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:51.840
just ridiculous. Should be slapped for
that, all right? I have an

814
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:58.679
idea. It's as a shout out
from my friend Nick M. Wherever you

815
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:06.480
are Ukraine in Bastard, It's a
genetically modified Ukrainian neurotransmitter called El dupa.

816
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.800
Dupa is Ukrainian for but it's a
pun. What do you want it?

817
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.680
Square off? I'm going to kick
your ass. I am all ass.

818
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:31.319
You cannot kick all of me.
All right, great? I have some

819
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:40.600
concrete contractors okay called Paver Saver.
Oh I like that? Okay, based

820
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:42.840
on that tomato. Did you get
it? Yeah? I did. I

821
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.880
didn't get that one. All right. Well. Uh. In the face

822
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:55.119
of some negative public publicity, corporation
decides to reinvigorate their image as a benefactor,

823
01:08:55.119 --> 01:09:00.119
a giver of gifts to society.
So I'm proud to introduce Monsa to

824
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:12.319
his new mascot, Mon Santa,
Grow, Grow Grow. That's what he

825
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:17.720
says, Mon Santa. Oh man, this is the box of puns that

826
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:27.680
have fun. Beep in that.
Well, I have to say you saved

827
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:36.840
it with bro Grow Grow. I
wasn't on it was skeptical and then you

828
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:43.439
said grow, grow grow, and
I was like, it's okay. Please

829
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:47.920
direct your hate mail to blurry Photos. The website blurry photos dot org have

830
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:54.359
a contact thing on there. It's
great. Hey, this week we have

831
01:09:55.399 --> 01:10:09.159
puns. Hole, it's a pun
stravagans and the children and say is it

832
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:12.000
is it just me? Or is
one of those kids working a little too

833
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.199
hard? Though I don't entirely buy
it. He's trying to get more work

834
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:19.520
for himself for later. Y well, it doesn't work that way. Yeah,

835
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:25.119
Jeremy, Jesus, Jeremy. Uh. This one, this one's a

836
01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:30.039
new one. We haven't gotten one
from from this listener. This this listener

837
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.840
is listener Chris. Hey, Chris, thanks for sending this in. Uh,

838
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:38.199
he's got a pun for us,
he says, did you guys hear

839
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:46.000
about the new thin corn chip freedo
lay lines? Oh? Yes, perfect,

840
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.720
I'll tell you this. The mark, the hallmark of a great pun

841
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:54.560
is when they say you're like,
guy, should have thought it. Yep,

842
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:58.279
yep, yep. Well done,
Chris, well played. Welcome aboard,

843
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:00.640
sir. Thanks, thanks sir for
listening, and thanks for sending us

844
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:05.960
stuff. Keep them coming. We
have. We have a few puns from

845
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:11.279
sophomore listener Greg. Oh yeah,
that's right. You made it out a

846
01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:14.640
freshman. We just bumped you up. Yeah, that's right. And uh,

847
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.600
you're you're getting your AP classes in
there already, I think. Yeah,

848
01:11:17.720 --> 01:11:21.079
unlike Alistair Crawley, you don't have
to travel the world and then promote

849
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:25.279
yourself. We see, we don't
have to go to Mexico. Yeah,

850
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:30.199
just to become the level thirty eight. No, we're where. We see

851
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.159
what you're doing. We like it, and we're rewarding you with that.

852
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.640
Yeah, keep keep up the good
work. You want to start us out

853
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:40.760
with what Greg has sent us?
Do? I? All right, yeah,

854
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:45.159
Greg, Greg, Greg's serving it
up hot. I think this is

855
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.159
from one of our earlier episodes.
Greg hits us with this. When Tesla

856
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:53.520
worked for Edison. He had a
tiny office and he stayed there night and

857
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:58.039
day. So when employees went looking
for the fellow co worker a colleagues would

858
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:04.279
say, I don't know, check
Nicholas Cage because because he was stuck there.

859
01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:11.239
Oh, I feel a little like
my head's on fire, but I'm

860
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:15.119
good. Oh man, if you
if, if you feel right now like

861
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:20.840
you don't hate Nicholas Cage enough,
just YouTube up any scene of his in

862
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:27.279
Peggy Sue Got Married. Oh,
he adopts the most ridiculous voice on earth

863
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.720
Proof. Thank you, Greg?
But oh do you think that's it?

864
01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:34.199
Is it? I'm not even done
thanking Greg. Oh man, he's not

865
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:39.079
even done thinking us. Yeah.
Check out the hottest new reality show.

866
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:44.359
Greg's letting us know about a cryptozoological
legend. Is living in New York making

867
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:50.760
his way in the Big City.
Watch The Mothman Cometh on TLC like scripted

868
01:12:54.079 --> 01:12:58.199
The Mothman Cometh. Why didn't we
think of that? Oh? I know

869
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:02.319
that I was literally just wallowing in
my own self hatred for that brilliantly done.

870
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:05.399
Thank you, Greg. But oh, is the Greg train pulled out

871
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:09.000
of the station yet? Or can
I still gets on board? I think

872
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.119
you can still get on if you
got the right ticket to punch. Oh,

873
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:18.840
I got nothing but tickets. I
am a ticket. I am the

874
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:25.000
ticket. Please don't punch me.
Yeah. This, this particular ticket is

875
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:30.119
from the Ghosts episode the Ghost Taxonomy. Yeah, one of my favorites.

876
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.000
It was a fun one, he
says, when golfing with a specter.

877
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.520
If he takes a chunk out of
the ground with his driver, always tell

878
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:46.720
him to replace his dibbic sports.
Oh, well, surely the train has

879
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.880
to pull out now. I mean, it's on a timetable and all right.

880
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:56.479
I would love to imagine that Greg
is in board meetings and he's not

881
01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:00.520
paying attention. He's just hammering away
on his phone. And listen, he

882
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:04.640
realizes that the room's quiet and everyone's
looking at him. He still doesn't care.

883
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:11.600
He puns on, he puns on
forwards that pun we've never asked for

884
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.479
about you before. But Greg's gonna
need some money pretty soon, so if

885
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.119
you would just send that in.
We gotta keep this guy afloat until he

886
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:20.319
gets job, all for the love
of puns. That's right, puns is

887
01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:27.159
a hell of a drug holder.
All right? Tell what else? What's

888
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:30.239
on this? What's on the caboose
of this train? Well, we hate

889
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:31.399
to see it go, Greg,
but we love to watch you leave.

890
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:34.039
Do you want me to handle this
caboose or do you want to handle that?

891
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:36.920
Oh? No, I'm taking this
one right because this this is the

892
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:43.720
epitome of why the didn't I think
of this? This caboose is loose?

893
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:48.399
Oh, because he's Greg's brought us
a product. I can't wait, hold

894
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:50.880
on, hold on, let me
get my let me get my official studio

895
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:57.479
voiceover voice ready at him? Are
you getting ready for a night of sexy,

896
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:00.239
platy and pleasure? Then you must
use the A few no spirit can

897
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:11.520
resist. Channelling number five. Channeling
number five be something to nothing. That's

898
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:15.279
brilliant, It's great. I love
that. That is a great product,

899
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:18.920
even even a slogan, Yeah exactly, and it really well written, really

900
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:23.800
well done. I'm I'm jealous and
furious. We'll never read another thing from

901
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.479
you. Greg. You're showing us
up. And he's he even tacked a

902
01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:31.199
bonus punt on here. Oh yeah, that's right. This so that was

903
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.920
the caboose, but this is like
the conductor, the guy who takes tickets

904
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.560
waving to you from Kavers right,
there's also a store for people who's summon

905
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:45.359
who's summon all manner of spirits who
are also a very average size called mediums.

906
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:51.239
Now, that's a flora pund.
I'd expect to hear that one out

907
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:55.840
of you. I don't know if
that's a compliment or not. It's punched

908
01:15:56.319 --> 01:16:00.520
compliments. That's that to me.
It sounds like a show that's coming on

909
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.479
HBO soon. Yeah, true,
I don't know. Everybody, jump jump

910
01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:08.479
on that Greg train. It's it'll
be in your town soon. I'm sure

911
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:15.720
due here it comes, y'all all
in answer, but thank you seriously for

912
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:19.560
sending in puns you guys, and
and please, I mean we love reading

913
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:24.039
them. You know what you should
do, dear listeners, go to iTunes

914
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.039
and subscribe to this Yeah, do
it yet? Rate us and all that's

915
01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:30.800
easy and fun. It's also super
easy to go to Facebook and like us.

916
01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.920
We have forty five now did you
know that? Way? We have

917
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:39.600
forty five to our new likers.
Oh, we're almost a fifty fifties the

918
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.640
new goal. Oh my gosh,
I don't know what we'll do when that

919
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.319
happens. Oh man, I'm tempted
to offer a certificate, but I'll be

920
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:48.720
coquettish. Ye at this point,
I'm going to hold back on hat hold

921
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.640
back. You should also follow us
on Twitter. We also got a new

922
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:55.439
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Sweet? No, I did not thank

923
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:59.600
you for following us. Blurry underscore
photos And that's that's That's pretty much all

924
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.760
the business that I got. I
think you guys, You guys know what

925
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:05.079
to do. You're great, You're
just the best. Well, we'll let

926
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:10.720
you formulate your own GMO opinion about
this stuff. Hey, look, I

927
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:15.319
added another pun for you, Oh, gm opinion. Nice. I don't

928
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:28.279
have to try doing it, bron
word jas man. I'm David the Scatman

929
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:36.560
Flora, the scion of science,
the genetically engineered and ultimate Dave Stecko.

930
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:43.520
It has not been tested for public
inns. Oh, this has been blurry

931
01:17:43.520 --> 01:18:14.159
photos so Bye, not to the