WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:05.839 You're listening to KF I am sixty on demand. Jeff, Welcome to Jesus 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:11.519 Christ Show. Hi Jesus. I'm a grateful believer and I love your show. 3 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:14.519 Oh thanks, Jeff, I appreciate you listening. How can I help 4 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:22.760 you? Well, let me get my emotions under control here. I was 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:32.000 divorced about twenty years ago and didn't have much contact with my kids. Basically 6 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:37.920 was an addict, and now I'm not. And I'm trying to talk to 7 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:44.560 my kids about you, and I think they don't want to listen to it 8 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:50.759 because of a messenger, okay, And I just want to hear what you 9 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.359 have to say about it, or ask me questions about it, or just 10 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:57.359 trying to give my head on straight around it. Well, I hear I 11 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:03.799 get phone calls and and emails of all kinds from people in situations where they're 12 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.159 going. You know, I really want to share Christ, but for reason 13 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:11.920 X Y and Z, I can't because of something I did or the place 14 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.680 I'm at. And that may be the case that you're looking at. You 15 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:22.239 may you may be the worst person to bring that information to them, And 16 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.079 the best way to bring that information to them is not from the hole in 17 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.920 your face, but from the thing that beats within your chest, and that 18 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:38.000 is to act in a way and let them see the experience that you have 19 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:45.760 and not just try to proselytize. It's very difficult, especially somebody who's been 20 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.560 through the ringer like you have, and it has gone through addiction and gone 21 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:55.799 through these types of things and a divorce and you haven't seen them for a 22 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.959 long time. They're going to look at you and say, who are you 23 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.439 and why should I trust you? And why would I hear this from you? 24 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:06.840 And and um, don't tell me about living a good life or about 25 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:12.479 focusing in on God. They that you don't have that place in their life 26 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.520 yet. And I think it's best just to be living in a way that 27 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:20.520 is an example. Then. Yeah, sometimes taking we're talking about, you 28 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:24.840 know, taking the shortcuts or not having consequences. Sometimes talking about things becomes 29 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:30.879 the simple way and the obvious way and the easy way, rather than living 30 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.759 in a way that asks that promotes people to ask you about why you're living 31 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:39.280 the way you are. You understand the difference there. Yeah, it's you 32 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:43.319 know, one thing to say, hey, do this, and it's another 33 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.400 thing to do it and have people go, wow, why do you do 34 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:50.560 that? Why do you do it that way? And it's I mean, 35 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.919 look at the way. You know, you watch a golf and these shows 36 00:02:55.120 --> 00:03:00.800 on on the weekends or these infomercials about golf swings, and do this with 37 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.000 a golf swing. To do that with a golf swing, you will find 38 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.719 men that will parse and vet every nook and cranny of a golf swing because 39 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.599 they see the results of that golf swing. Nobody wants to know how to 40 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:15.599 do a really bad golf swing. Wow, you really you knock that into 41 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.639 you know, the beach there, so I want to find out how you 42 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:23.199 did it. No, it's not it's not about that. It's about wanting 43 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:30.080 to replicate success or replicate something that you see to be a value and in 44 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:35.080 life that works the same way as well. If you're doing something that people 45 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:39.599 see that is valuable and healthy and efficient and loving and all these things, 46 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:45.039 they're going to ask you naturally. But sometimes believers think, oh, it's 47 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:46.719 easier, I want to do it just this way, and I'm going to 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.599 shove it down their throat or I'm gonna, you know, just preach to 49 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.680 them. And it's not that you know that doesn't have value to express verbally. 50 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.400 But I think in this particular case, there's no way they're going to 51 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.960 receive that from you in that way. It's going to be too you be 52 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.080 too simple. It's not going to have the weight or the value of just 53 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:14.120 seeing you and your life turned around and you loving on them and doing your 54 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.639 best to be in their life in a way that's healthy. They're going to 55 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:24.639 be out of a country for two years now and I won't be able to 56 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:30.519 see him, and I don't know how they're going to see but change in 57 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:32.399 me. Oh, there's nothing wrong with saying, you know what. I 58 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.600 know we don't have a whole lot of time together. I know you're going 59 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:39.959 to be out of town, and you know, forgive my zeal, but 60 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:44.920 I want so much for you to see the things that have helped me change, 61 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.399 change and grow. And I know you're not going to be able to 62 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.240 see that. And if you know, if I get so excited about it, 63 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.959 forgive me. But understand that I've been through a lot and that I've 64 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.680 missed a lot, and so I feel like I'm trying to cover ground. 65 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.720 But no, that that's where it comes from. It comes from a place 66 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:09.120 of excitement and a desire to connect. And and so when I share these 67 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:14.240 things with you, it's it's not a shortcut. It's just to kind of 68 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:16.439 bringing up to speed at where I am in my life and the things that 69 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.800 have really helped me. And I feel like I haven't been able to impart 70 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:28.360 a lot during under the circumstances. And and this is this may seem like 71 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.759 it's a you know, a lot to consume right now, but I feel 72 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:32.879 like I've been out of the loop for a while. And I think feel 73 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.879 like I haven't been in your life in the way I liked you, or 74 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:39.839 I haven't been able to teach you or to show you these things. And 75 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.879 and I I you know, I don't have gold, I don't have silver, 76 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:45.360 I don't have any of these things necessarily to give you. But what 77 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:48.040 I do have is this. And on your on your trip for the next 78 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.519 two years, if you can take this with you, whether whether it's a 79 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:57.319 Bible or whether it's just that notion um that at least you've planted that seed. 80 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.439 Um. I get that I do, but you're not going to do 81 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:03.600 it all in one. If it was that easy, it wouldn't have any 82 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:09.079 value, you know, it's not an amulet, you know, it's not 83 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.560 some magic water you're gonna give them. It's not a necklace, it's a 84 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.120 there's it's nothing like that. It's not the kind of it's not the way 85 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:20.720 this gift is passed on. It's really about you know, experience it in 86 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:25.759 them, seeing that that difference in you. It's it's okay to talk about 87 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:29.480 it, just don't make that. You know, people always look Jeff for 88 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.519 that right word, as if you know that right word's going to get them 89 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:38.879 saved. And it's not about that right word. It's about being available when 90 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:43.040 they have the questions. It's about being honest and open and not being ashamed 91 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.800 of your faith. But you know, if you if you crammed food down 92 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.439 their throat, they they'd vomited it up as well. So it's you know, 93 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.000 and so would you. Yeah, you know people came to you before, 94 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.879 and people try to teach you things and show you things, and you 95 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.519 had to do it in your own time. Right as you're ready. You're 96 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.560 ready as do they. So plant the seed. Scripture says that that there 97 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:11.199 are many participants in that. There's the person who plants the seed. There's 98 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.439 a person who plows the field, there's a person who waters. There's all 99 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.240 that, and that's going to happen. You have to trust God for those 100 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.240 things. That's where your faith comes in as well, to know that you 101 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.800 can just plant that little seed and that they can go, you know, 102 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:27.959 away for two years, go away for twenty years. It doesn't matter. 103 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.759 God's still there. God hasn't fallen off his throne. And worry about just 104 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.879 the planting of the little seed, not trying to grow a tree instantaneously. 105 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:43.839 That's just not the way it works. Matt, Welcome to the Jesus Christ 106 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.839 Show. Hey Jesus, y imagine good. How are you doing excellence or 107 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:53.720 what's going on? I just got a quick question, theology question. I'm 108 00:07:53.839 --> 00:08:00.560 Catholic. My family, some of them still our Catholic. A lot of 109 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:05.360 them went to the Evangelist movement or whatever you want to call it now and 110 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.399 they they, you know where it's very fall just the scripture, the ward 111 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.079 of God, and that's what it is. Nothing wrong with that in a 112 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.240 lot of respects I like it. My question is is from what I understand 113 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:24.319 at least in the Church history, is that the pope sometime in the fourth 114 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.560 century or so actually compiled the Bible, and I guess or compiled the books 115 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:33.360 that we know today that are in the Bible. And my biggest struggle with 116 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.320 maybe possibly either going over to that church with my parents, the biggest struggle 117 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:43.600 I have is if the pope compiled those books and chose what's in it, 118 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:50.600 and they so outrightly speak, you know, against the Catholic Church, why 119 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.840 it just seems kind of ironic to me when the book that they consider the 120 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:56.960 Ward to God, which it is, you know, it was compiled by 121 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.240 the pope, so to speak, and I just need a clarification to try 122 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:05.759 to understand it myself as well. Unfortunately, to go through, you know, 123 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:09.679 and and parse all the specifics of history is kind of outside the scope 124 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:11.960 of the time that we have. But I do want you to understand that's 125 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.720 it's not a fair statement to say that the pope put together the Bible. 126 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:24.840 Um that what takes place is u There are counsels that do take place. 127 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.639 There are groups where they come ecumenical counsels, and there are groups that come 128 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.480 together to make decisions based on certain things about scripture. But the scripture itself 129 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:39.320 was already pretty much because of its usage in the context of its usage. 130 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.720 Determined and canonize cannon just means like measuring rod, like a measuring read. 131 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.360 So it's it's saying this is the measure of God. This is this has 132 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:54.120 shown itself or proven itself to be the word of God. Now there's disputes 133 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.080 between the Catholic Church and the Protestant Church as to certain books that would be 134 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:05.200 referred to as apocryphal books. Now those books aren't damaging necessarily and that they're 135 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:11.759 just not seeing a scripture so by some So the battle that takes place there 136 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.159 is really dealing with an understanding of how the Bible came to be. It 137 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.159 wasn't that some guy sat there and said this is what I determined to be. 138 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:28.519 It's not one person's job. Also, going back, it's it's very 139 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.159 easy for the Catholic Church to say, well, this was the Catholic Church, 140 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:37.080 when really Catholic means universal and at the time it wasn't talking about necessarily 141 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.120 the structure of the Catholic churches. You know it today it's talking about the 142 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:48.799 early Church because until the Reformation, it's just the Church. So it's it's 143 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:52.320 kind of hard to say, well, the Protestants weren't a part of that. 144 00:10:52.600 --> 00:11:00.679 Well, technically they were because the Protestants means Protestants came from the the 145 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:05.320 first Church as well. So the branching off of that came from disagreements as 146 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.840 to the way the structure of the church was the path that the church was 147 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.200 going, and some disagreements there, but the essentials always remained, which is 148 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.600 the most important. And also to look at the fact that the decision making 149 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.600 wasn't just done by one particular person. Throughout the centuries, there've been people 150 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.639 that have tried to add things and subtract things. And the key to the 151 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.720 canonization, and the most important part of it was to determine that nothing was 152 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:33.639 to be added at this point, that all the revelation that was to be 153 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:41.440 given by God has already been given. That way that people don't start writing 154 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.320 things into it and putting new things into it and modifying. And there are 155 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:50.879 new testaments that other groups that people would refer to as non Christian cults add 156 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.720 to the scriptures, and there's new covenants and new things like that, but 157 00:11:54.759 --> 00:12:01.120 the scripture it was decided as these groups. Nothing changed throughout history. You'll 158 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.679 be happy to note that the same craziness that goes on today, when you 159 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.039 know a thousand years ago, two thousand years ago, you had groups even 160 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:15.679 and when you read through scripture, you read through the epistles, and you 161 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.039 see the church at Corinth, the Church at Ephesus, and they had these 162 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.879 major problems at the time. There's all kinds of craziness going on, and 163 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.519 so a lot of times these groups would come together to reinforce the belief for 164 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.559 the understanding that had been the universal belief or understanding. And now that a 165 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.480 group comes in they start teaching something else, they'd come together and say, 166 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.559 no, we still all agree this is the way things should be. Let's 167 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:45.639 weed out this particular problem. And that's when they would get together on these 168 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:50.120 councils as well, to kind of decide, well, it's getting it's getting 169 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:52.159 crazy out there. People are starting to say this and teach this, and 170 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.480 that's not what we all believe correct, And it would be ecumenical in the 171 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.080 sense that it would be the entirety of the best presentatives possible to come together 172 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.159 and say, no, this is what we've always believed. This has always 173 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.639 been the tradition. We continue to push forward on that. But to say 174 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:18.159 that the Pope Canonie scripture is not a fair statement. Laurie, Welcome to 175 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:22.600 Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, thank you for taking my call, my 176 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.720 pleasure. How can I help you? Well, I hear people talking about 177 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.240 surviving horrible situations where they say they just believe in God and put their faith 178 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.879 in God. And I do that too, but I'm having trouble dealing with 179 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:39.679 issues that someone can be blessed by God and a follower of Jesus and still 180 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.559 get cancer, especially like if they have young children. I know several people 181 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.639 in this situation now and they're no less a believer than I am. And 182 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:50.639 you know, I pray every day I will not be tested in this way. 183 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:56.519 And I why why would you pray that when Scripture says you will be 184 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.600 tested that way. Scripture says, well, that you should rejoice in your 185 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:07.080 trials because that's where God is seen. You're not going to walk through life 186 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:11.879 in perfection. You're told at the very beginning of life that it will end. 187 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.480 That's temporary and there's no guarantee. No, I understand that. I 188 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:22.879 think the part that I see is that when I we've had a situation, 189 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.279 we have a friend that has two little children, and she was just diagnosed 190 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.000 with stage four cancer and we're talking, you know, not a lot of 191 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:35.919 time, and I just don't understand with two little kids that this is. 192 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.639 I guess I'm just having in trouble with that, of course, And that's 193 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:48.240 it's normal to worry and be frustrated with the things of this world. It 194 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:52.960 is, and to see children like that put in a situation. But you 195 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.840 only have, you know, two choices there, Either to live life in 196 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.120 the path that is given to you, regard what that is good, bad, 197 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.360 or otherwise, or not to live at all and refrain from having children 198 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.039 because you might get sick or in these types of things, and both have 199 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:15.679 their their pluses and minuses. So in this situation, if you look at 200 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.120 Scripture over and over, it says be not afraid in one way or another. 201 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:26.240 Be not afraid of the one who can kill the flesh, be afraid 202 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.759 of the one that could kill the spirit. It's never been about this life. 203 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.000 This life is only a preparation and an understanding for the life to come. 204 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.200 So there's going to be cancer, not because God created it and God 205 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.720 wants it, but because in this world there are the options of those things, 206 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:52.679 you know, whether it be pollution and things that are put into the 207 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:58.320 atmosphere, whether it be genetic problems, whether it be whatever that brings someone 208 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.919 to that particular place in their life. You have to understand that that glory, 209 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:07.519 the glory of God, can still come from that situation. And that's 210 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.200 what it's about. Not being in it, you know, having the life 211 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.200 you expected you were going to have or for the length of time. And 212 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.759 I think if you get it in that mindset, getting that mindset of going, 213 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:26.440 well, we're going to live ninety years and we're going to be healthy 214 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.159 for those ninety years, and that's just not now. I understand that a 215 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.799 legitimate way to think. Yeah, no, and I don't. I don't 216 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:38.519 think that way is It pertains to me And I think it's just I think 217 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:45.080 it's throwing the little kids into the mix that always, you know, kind 218 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.799 of sets me apart on that that. I don't know, I just have 219 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.200 a harder time. I have a harder time with that, of course, 220 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.159 but it's the quality as well. I've had people call up who lost their 221 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:03.320 children, and would do you think for one second that a parent whose child 222 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:08.279 dies at the age of two or five thinks that that child was less important 223 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:15.000 or less valuable because the length of their life. So it's really not the 224 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.319 length of life, it's it's what it's you're experiencing and the quality of interacting 225 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:25.039 with one another and and creating those relationships. And there are there are parents 226 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.079 that will live to eighty that aren't going to be one modicum of the parent 227 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:37.200 that your friend has been and the life that they have. So there's is 228 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:44.599 it a horribly sad situation? Absolutely, And I know that that is something 229 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.720 that um is a battle with believers. And you see, you know, 230 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.839 you see like somebody driving in a in a beat up old car that's falling 231 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.880 apart and there's a bumper stick on the back that says the Lord provides, 232 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.960 and you go, wow, provides what to whom? And and I know 233 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:06.599 that that it becomes this this kind of dichotomy of you know, how are 234 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:08.079 you supposed to say that it's a blessing? But really, if you think 235 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:14.200 about the word blessing when people pray, it's it shouldn't be this is what 236 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:19.000 I want God. It should be for understanding for what you have. And 237 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:25.559 and really that kind of infusion of God into this situation becomes the important part. 238 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.480 Let me do this gracefully, let me do this with dignity, Let 239 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.680 me do this in a way that glorifies you God. That's where you're at 240 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:38.240 it this point. If God chooses in his infinite wisdom to reach into the 241 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:45.079 situation and heal, hallelujah. And if he doesn't, hallelujah, because all 242 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.880 of that glory should be given to God. And this is where the community 243 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:53.599 of Christ should come together and take care of those children and and help. 244 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.880 You know, it's and that and God's glory will be seen in that. 245 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.359 And but you certainly wouldn't say that you know, all is lost for these 246 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:08.920 children. It's a horribly sad situation. These children God's will be done, 247 00:19:08.960 --> 00:19:12.240 will grow through it, and it will be a part of who they are 248 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:18.279 in a way that is gives them understanding and a deep understanding of the temporary 249 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.160 nature of life in this world. And that will give them the strength to 250 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:26.480 push forward and do things in a manner that they may not have before. 251 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.440 There's all kinds of things that will go on. But does it stink absolutely 252 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.400 on its face, It stinks to live in this world that is not covered 253 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:41.400 in nerve that has sharp edges, that people die in, that people get 254 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.359 hurt in. But that is to help understand the preciousness and the value of 255 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:51.640 life and eve that's for Christians as well. You don't get a pass. 256 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.400 It doesn't change how life will be or what happens to you. It should 257 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:02.279 change how you perceive it and how go through it, but it won't change 258 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.640 that you'll go through it or won't go through it. Okay, thank you 259 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.640 very much. You're welcome, Laurie, and we will be praying for you 260 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:15.440 and the families involved. And it's one of those things where Christians often look 261 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.359 around and say, hey, you know, I believe I have faith. 262 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:23.240 I've been on my knees, I have you know, holes worn in the 263 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:29.240 carpet next to my bed, and bad things still happen. It's not about 264 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.920 avoiding those things. You're going to have those things in life. Life will 265 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:40.119 be difficult, you will have trials Christian and non Christian alike. Period. 266 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:48.680 It says in Scripture and Matthew that the that the sun will rise and set, 267 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:56.000 and it will rain and have sun on the righteous and the unrighteous. 268 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.720 And what Matthew five forty three and forty five is saying there is that you 269 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.720 know what good things and bad things. Good things will happen to bad people, 270 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.599 and bad things will happen to the good It's just the way it's going 271 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:18.839 to happen in this world. God gives you armor, but that's spiritual armor 272 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:22.200 to deal with the spiritual things that come at you. And those spiritual things 273 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.359 are that in times of trials and weakness and frustration and sadness, that the 274 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:32.480 enemy wants to sit there and go where is your God. One of the 275 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.559 most beautiful scenes and most powerful scenes in mel Gibson's Betrayal of the last twelve 276 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:47.319 hours or so of My Life was his interpretation of what took place in the 277 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:56.519 garden of Gassemite where I'm alone and I'm praying. And it doesn't say this 278 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:02.359 in scripture, but I think it was a legitimate, a legitimate use of 279 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:07.559 what could have been going on there as someone who has vision as a director. 280 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:17.400 And it shows the enemy kind of walking around me or pacing like a 281 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:26.200 tiger ready to pounce, and this kind of ambiguous creature male female, you 282 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:33.319 don't really know, kind of beautiful, kind of repelling is the enemy saying 283 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:37.599 you can't do this alone? He should have never put this on you. 284 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.960 It's too much for one person saying those doubts, putting those doubts, trying 285 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:49.319 to infuse my head with those things from the pit of hell. And the 286 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:57.200 enemy does the same thing to you when you are at your weakest. The 287 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:00.599 enemy wants to sit there and do a dance and say, see where is 288 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.240 your God? Now? They said it to me when I was on the 289 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:11.920 cross. It's implied that it's said to me throughout temptation. They're going to 290 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.480 say it to you. The glory of God comes not from a miraculous healing, 291 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:19.559 which is a human thing. That's what the humans want. The glory 292 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:25.680 of God is when man goes through things that are inherently scary, frustrating, 293 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:32.519 sad, frightening, and does it with the poise and the grace of someone 294 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:41.119 that can only only have that strength and ability if they knew God. Bunny, 295 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.039 Welcome to the Jesus Christ shown. Yes, Hi, Bunny, Hi, 296 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:48.079 I was listening to us. One of your last callers that said that 297 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.400 her faith had been a little bit shaken because she had friends that were young 298 00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:56.480 and dying, or thought she might they might be dying of cancer. And 299 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.640 yes, I couldn't understand why God would do that, and I was I 300 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:06.480 just had to call because I know one reason is that when a person of 301 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:11.079 faith like that, I That is how I came to know Jesus Christ through 302 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:15.160 a young woman who had two young children, everything to live for, and 303 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:21.920 she was literally dying of cancer. And in and through her I saw a 304 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:26.559 faith and a trust. She was happier than anybody I knew that had everything 305 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:32.680 going for them. And I watched her carefully. I couldn't believe this. 306 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:37.920 What I just she was was set apart and I watched her and what I 307 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:44.000 began to go to a Bible study that she actually would give. She she 308 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:48.160 would be in the hospital for a week and she'd get out for two hours 309 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.880 to come and teach a Bible study. And I she asked me to go, 310 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:57.920 and I went and began to understand what it was that she had the 311 00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:03.799 faith in. It is um something that I embraced and for the woman that 312 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:12.119 was concerned, I also paid attention to what was what her heart's desire was 313 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:15.319 that she knew she was dying, that she wanted God and the prayer was 314 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:21.880 watch out for my husband and my two children. Over those that were they're 315 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:26.759 going to be left, yes, And that was her only prayer and that 316 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:33.559 request and um she I watched when she died and the most God took care 317 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:38.119 of her husband and her children in the most miraculous ways. And there was 318 00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:45.559 It just increased my faith. I became a Christian. But even more importantly, 319 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.599 I think they're probably what there were probably about fifty more people that came 320 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.400 to Ward through that one woman. I'll see there's and I and I thank 321 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.079 you so much, Bonnie for calling people don't understand that things do come from 322 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:02.960 this and it is sad. But you even remember Randy Pausch, Professor Pouch 323 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.079 from the last lecture. If you haven't read the book, it's a It's 324 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.279 a lovely book and a tribute to a man who loved his family very much 325 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:14.000 and wanted them to know it even when he passed. There is much that 326 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:18.519 can be done in those last hours, those last moments, and you can 327 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.480 touch people. Randy Pausch, you know, touched a world who continued to 328 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.759 read his book that was written due to the pain and the suffering and the 329 00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:34.880 sadness and the frustrations that he went through. Don welcome to the Jesus Christ 330 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:38.200 show, Hello Jesus, thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. 331 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.279 What's going on? Done? Well, I've always been curious about God the 332 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:53.119 Father in the sense of taking his deity to other cultures, not just through 333 00:26:53.200 --> 00:27:02.000 you, but but to other cultures. Say, you know the Buddhists and 334 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:07.359 uh and the Vish New you know that that sort of thing as well as 335 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:15.920 the Native Americans does. Does he manifest himself? Um? You know, 336 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:21.119 two different cultures in different ways. Well, that's the that's the difference between 337 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.640 um motherhood and your mom. Your mom is your mom. You can't repackage 338 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:33.079 her. She is your your mother. And although other cultures have the term 339 00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.599 for mom or mother, um, there is only one your mom, only 340 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:44.240 one mother of don So in the like sense, it's more likely because they 341 00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.640 aren't all the same. Even though some people can say, oh, well, 342 00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.160 Buddhi is a manifestation of this, or fish News a manifestation of that, 343 00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.759 they don't jive. They don't have the same philosophy's beliefs. And in 344 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.440 every other walk of life, if you came by somebody who claimed to be 345 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.440 someone or something and they didn't have those same defining properties, you'd say it 346 00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.799 wasn't the same person or thing, and and so it's not just well, 347 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:14.559 Gosh, all these different belief systems or cultures have an idea of God. 348 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:18.480 It's what is that idea of God that's important, And so they don't mesh. 349 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:23.640 So to say that they are all the same manifestation of the Father God 350 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:30.759 in different areas or cultures doesn't make sense because a culture shouldn't be more powerful 351 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:36.000 than God. So a culture can't define God. God has to define the 352 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:41.640 culture. And if you come across these other manifestations for lack of a better 353 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.359 term of God, they still have to be defined as to what they are, 354 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:49.759 just like your mother would be defined by who she is. If I 355 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.839 was seeking God, see I was raised Roman Catholic, if I was to 356 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:07.359 you know, to attempt to to find you know, the Father through Buddhism. 357 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:11.279 Buddhism is completely different than the Christian God. Vishnu completely different from the 358 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:17.279 Christian God. And that's not to put a value on that. It's to 359 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.279 say that, well, one, this is the Jesus Christ show. If 360 00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.720 it was the Vishnu show, of the Buddhis show, I'm sure they'd be 361 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.960 talking up their beliefs but ultimately that's to say there is a difference. There's 362 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.039 an old saying everyone can be wrong, but they can't all be right if 363 00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:36.839 they contradict each other. There are contradictions inherently in all those belief systems that 364 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:41.880 don't match up. They are not interchangeable, and you can because of the 365 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.000 freedom, you can believe what you want. But keep in mind they are 366 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:48.559 not interchangeable and they do not all believe the same things. That's where problems 367 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:53.200 arise. You're listening to kf I AM sixty on demand.