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take place. In nineteen sixty one, today's guests Aunt and Uncle Betty and
Barney Hill, had a close encounter and UFO abduction in New Hampshire's White Mountains.
As a family member, she was able to get first hand information on
the account on the exact day they arrived home and the subsequent days following the
event. Since then, she has devoted years of research to their abduction case,
and we will be discussing all of this and then some on today's show.
Join me and welcoming. Kathleen Martin, thank you for coming today.
Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be with you today. I
personally read captured on your Aunt and Uncle's account, was extreme intrigued by what
happened. My research ultimately led to you and asking for you to come on
to my show to discuss your findings. As I understand it, it's because
of betting Barney Hill's ufl Abduction that you became an author, investigator, and
researcher. Correct, that is correct. How did you ran an uncle Field
about your involvement into the investigation process of their encounter. Well, my uncle
died in nineteen sixty nine when I was in college, so I was not
doing a formal investigation of their case at that time, although I was very
much involved at a personal and family level, and they felt fine. We
had a very close relationship. So after Barney passed on, I had a
typical career. I studied social work. I had my degree in that,
and then I ended up going into education as a teacher and then as an
education services coordinator, and then I became I developed a disabling illness back in
the late nineteen eighties and decided what I could do for intellectual stimulation. I
couldn't just sit at home. I mean, in my previous career, I
had been writing, I had been inventing, doing so many productive things that
I wasn't going to let this illness get me down. So I decided that
I would begin a formal investigation of what happened to my aunt and uncle.
I wanted to separate fact from fiction, and I also wanted to write my
aunt's biography, so she gave me permission to do this. She had an
extensive arc val collection and she gave me, and actually i'm the trustee of
her archival collection, including the hypnosis tapes with doctor Benjamin Simon. Now I
did my own investigation at physical archives as well, so it involved a great
deal of research and investigation, hours and hours of investigation going back to the
close encounter rout with her, going to the abduction site, over it and
over again, hearing and tape recording the messages that she gave to me.
Eventually I would go up there without her. I wanted to measure distances.
I even made a trip with my husband of the entire route that Betty and
Barney took in nineteen sixty one, looking for any holes in the case,
any conventional explanation for what happened to them, and measured distance, measured times,
sort of reconstructed the route that they went on, following those back roads
that they were traveling on. We have new major highways now, we didn't
have all those highways back then, so we traveled on the old routes.
And by that time I had listened to those hypnosis tapes and their descriptions so
many times that I was seeing what they observed back in nineteen sixty one.
I have to tell you that at the end of our trip, my husband
and I were much older than Betty and Barney were at the time of their
UFO encounter. It has been said by skeptics that they had driven so long
they must have been hallucinating. And I can tell you that my husband and
I were not hallucinating, nor did we have a UFO encounter on our route.
And so you know, I think all in at all, I probably
have more information and have done more research and investigation than anyone else. What
happened to them that night, Well, they were returning home overnight, anticipating
an arrival at two o'clock in the morning. They had traveled from Montreal to
Colebrook, New Hampshire, arriving at about nine o'clock or so eight. They're
left at ten five. They checked their against the clock in the restaurant and
headed south. They were returning home to their house on the seacoast in Portsmouth.
The reason they made this decision is that a hurricane was whirling up the
coast and they wanted to arrive home before it hit. Also, they made
the decision that they would stop overnight if they grew tired. But they were
well rested from the night before. They were having a wonderful vacation and they
were just traveling south on Route three through upstate New Hampshire, when just south
of Lancaster, my aunt spotted a new light in the sky. And what
drew her attention to it is that it was traveling upward in sort of an
arc, and she had never seen anything like that, and it was sort
of the reverse of a falling star. She wondered what it could possibly be.
She thought of a satellite. It wasn't a satellite. She thought of
a falling star. It wasn't a falling star. And she watched it as
it grew larger and larger in the sky. Finally, south of Twin Mountain,
which was maybe a half hour forty five minute drive, she and Barney
stopped because this object was coming in closer and closer. They got out of
the car. They had binoculars because they had been to Niagara Falls and they
needed binoculars if they wanted to see it close up of the falls, and
so they got out of the car with the binoculars. They had their little
dog, Delsy, who was a ducksmund with them. Barney walked the dog.
Betty looked at this object, which was now unidentified. But it was
strange because it crossed the face of the moon flashing multi colored lights. It
was silent, and it wasn't that far away. Betty then gave the binoculars
to Barney and he looked at it and he was dismissive. He was a
confirmed skeptic. He thought that there had to be some kind of a prosaic
explanation for this. They had itself again and entered Franconia Notch at the north
entrance, and there was the craft that had been traveling beside them that now
surged ahead over Cannon Mountain. And so they stopped again on the other side
of Cannon Mountain, where the Old Man of the Mountain stood. The profile
was forty eight feet from forehead to chin. I said, was because it
fell off the mountain in two thousand and three, and that was a tragic
event because it was New Hampshire States symbol. Oh, oh my goodness,
yes, but it was. The profile was set twelve hundred feet above the
ground, and of course I said forty eight feet in length. And this
craft was hovering beside the old Man's profile, and Betty could determine at that
time that it was at least one and a half times the length of the
profile. It appeared to be rotating. It would stand still, it would
flip upward, it would flip horizontally, and it would move down. Then
it started to bounce back and forth in the sky. So this was extraordinarily
interesting to them. I so, oh my goodness. So as time went
on, they decided to pull over again to get another look at this thing.
But it was in a parking area where there were tall trees all around.
They could not see it. So they went immediately back onto the highway
this was Route three still in those days, and into the tourist section of
Lincoln, New Hampshire. They went by what is now the Indian Head Resort.
There were cabins in that time frame. In fact, a historical marker
for Betty and Barney sits in front of the Indian Head Resort. The State
of New Hampshire erected this to commemorate this love that I love that the state
erected this historical marker for them, because to me, that shows that they
had that public. They're giving that public their support. Yes, what happened.
They're admitting to the fact that it did happen. You know, well,
they're admitting that at least there is a tremendous amount of documentation indicating that
it did happen. Had I was one of the two people behind this,
but since I was the trustee of their estate, I was the person who
had to submit all of the evidence, the documentation, and also to write
what I wanted to have appear on the historical marker. So that was erected
in two thousand and eleven. Now getting back to what happened to Betty and
Barney. They drove past the Indian Head Resort. They were approximately a mile
mile and a half south of there when suddenly this craft surged ahead again.
It was coming lower and lower, and it stopped beside the highway about two
hundred feet overhead. Barney had to break the car in the middle of the
road so that he would not be under this craft. I've investigated cases where
people attempted to drive under this craft and they were taken up into it immediately.
They experienced a couple of hours of missing time and ended up on a
different road, on a different part of the highway. This is part of
my investigations of other people in that area who had these kinds of events.
So Betty and Barney. Barney stopped the car and opened the door, stepped
out of the car with the binoculars, looked up at this object that was
just hanging there in the sky. He said, it looked like a giant
pancake. And there was a apparently a row of windows on the forward edge.
And he stepped away from the car to get a better look. And
when he did, the object shifted and moved in an arc like manner over
the highway and stopped above a field. There was a farmer stand in the
field. There was a few apple trees, and it descended to within one
hundred feet of Barney. He was shaking his head. He was pulling the
binoculars down. He walked toward it, you know, he left the area
the location of the car and walked toward it. And when he looked up
through binoculars, he saw entities figures looking down at him. They were all
dressed in black uniforms. He wrote to Nycap in the second report he made.
The first was to the P's Air Force base, and there was something
about them that made him believe they were non human. And suddenly all but
one moved in unison to what appeared to be the backside of a corridor and
he could see them. Their arms went up into the air. He could
see them from the tops of their arms to their about their knees at this
point, and when they did this, little red lights started to slide out
on fin like structures. This has happened in the past in other cases as
well. And then the one remaining at the window was staring down at Barney
and frightened him greatly. He thought that this entity had a plan for him.
Somehow he knew this, and that plan was to capture him. Something
started to slide down out of the bottom of the craft. Barney didn't know
what it was. I know what it is, and I even have video
of this kind of beam that came down almost like a laser beam, but
not a laser beam. It seemed to be the beam that hit abductees and
carried them to craft. So Barney saw this and his intuition was right.
He pulled the binoculars away from his eyes so forcefully that he broke the leather
strap and ran screaming to Betty back to the Color that they had to get
out of there or they were going to be captured. Oh wow. He
had left the car running, the interior light was on. He threw the
binoculars on the seat, slammed the car door, put it in to drive,
and went tearing down the highway as he entered the UFO, I mean
as he entered his vehicle. Sorry, the craft was moving in his direction,
and within a few blocks he and Betty heard a series of code like
buzzing sounds that were striking the trunk of their vehicle. In fact, the
following day they found shiny, highly polished spots there in that area that caused
a compass needle to rotate rapidly, meaning that there was a magnetic field in
that area. And this was on the trunk of the car, not upfront
where you would have this happened. So they did feel these buzzing sounds in
their bodies in their vehicle. Betty in fact felt of the metal to see
if she would receive an electric shock. It was kind of a strong electrical
sensation and it's in the early reports, so it's documented evidence. Also,
they started to lose their awareness of what was occurring simultaneously, and the next
thing they knew, they found themselves about thirty five miles down the highway.
They had memories of finding themselves on another road, not the highway they were
traveling on. It was a dirt road with tall trees all around. They
had memories of a roadblock. They had memories of observing a fiery orb,
but they didn't know where that occurred, and it was so perplexing. They
continued driving home when they heard the second series of buzzing sounds. When their
full memory was restored, except for what happened on the craft when they were
abducted, they continued to speak with one another to drive home. They were
looking for a police officer to report this too. They yearned for human contact.
They were looking for a coffee shop that might be open, but nothing
was open, and when they returned home, it wasn't to a three in
the morning, as they had anticipated by Betty's watch that she set and wound.
When she went into her home and checked the clock, it was five
sixteen am. There were several hours they lost several hours, and there was
physical evidence that something had happened to them. Betty's dress was torn in several
locations at the top of the zipper. In the thick zipper fabric, her
hem was torn down on one side, and the lining of her dress was
torn from waste to hemline. Barney's best dress shoes were so deeply scraped that
he had to relegate them to garden work and had to purchase new shoes.
As I said, their watches had stopped running and never ran again, and
there were those perplexed spots on the trunk of the vehicle they felt. Clammy
is the word that Betty used, much more so than you would if you
had taken a drive from Montreal to Portsmouth, New Hampshire. So there were
so many questions about what had occurred that the fiery scene that they recalled.
Do you feel like that was implanted in their minds so that they would think
that there was some sort of accident in try and remember it as an accident
of some sort or do you think that actually happened. I think that actually
happened, because two and a half years later, when they saw doctor Benjamin
Simon, a famed neuropsychiatrist who worked with veterans returning from the war to restore
them to full the health when they had suffered from physiological symptoms that were psychogenically
induced. And Barney had this problem, he was hospitalized with bleeding ulcers.
He had to take an leave of absence from work. This was a life
threatening condition due to the anxiety that he experienced over having had this experience and
having full recall of observing these non humans and this close encounter, so they
were referred to doctor Simon. Barney was at least Betty went with him,
and she asked doctor Simon if he would take her on as a patient as
well. He agreed, as long as he saw them separately for hypnosis deep
trans hypnosis, and he reinstated amnesia at the end of each session so they
couldn't compare notes. It wasn't until the end of all of the hypnosis sessions
that he took them in to listen to those audio tapes of what the other
had stated, and they discovered that yes, they had been abducted. They
had partial recall. They always had this recall from the time it happened.
They made repeated trips up to that area of New Hampshire up to the mountains
to look for the spot where this occurred. So it wasn't something that was
revealed for the first time under hypnosis. They did have conscious recall of that
part of it. I don't know if there was any screen memory there.
Barney under hypnosis talked about a schesher cat. But what he was talking about,
I believe is the glowing eyes that he was seeing as these entities were
coming toward him. Interesting. I've heard in other documentaries them referred to like
owl eyes. Almost yes, you might refer to them as like owl eyes.
It was the same kind of thing, but he didn't see an owl
right. Well, all he and Betty consciously recalled was a roadblock. Interesting.
Now, why do you suppose that they abducted them and others? Besides,
well, there's my opinion and then there's Betty's in Barney's opinion. Betty
and Barney believe that they wanted to determine the differences between humans and themselves.
But I have to tell you that they were well set up to do abductions.
And as a researcher and investigator, I was the founder and director of
the Mutual UFO Networks Experience or resource team. It was then the research team
for ten years, and we had case after case of individuals who had been
taken onto craft and they were always pretty similar. They were taken, they
were put on tables and tissue samples were extracted. They were then perhaps implanted
with devices by these non human entities, and when they were going to be
taken again, they were oftentimes aware that they were going to be taken again.
I believe that these entities were able to communicate with these humans through these
listening devices. So it has happened to many other people. It's more than
just wanting to learn the differences between them and us. That's what Betty and
Barney thought. They underwent an unconventional physical examination. Some have been told that
the entities are concerned about the presence of environmental toxins in human bodies. There
is usually some kind of learning process education after the exam takes place, where
the human being is given information about the ets, concern about our use of
nuclear weapons, concern about how we are still primitive yet we have advanced technology.
They're concerned about our spiritual development, our maturity, and fear that we
might destroy our planet if we don't change our ways, and so they have
also been collectors. They've been collectors of DNA for in case we do damage
our planet or destroy life on our planet. I would speculate that perhaps they're
seeding other planets with our DNA too. They've been seen taking vegetative matter,
taking plants way back in the nineteen fifties, and then it advanced to taking
animals, forest animals, and then they began taking humans. This has been
a very long, complicated program. It appears to be a scientific, a
scientific program taking. Are they taking and returning them? Are they taking and
keeping them? For the most part, they're taking and returning them. I
am not aware of any of the abductees or contact ees that I have worked
with, and it has been a few thousand for me. For my team,
it's been about twelve thousand. Wow. We're not aware of anyone who
has been taken and not returned. And once they're taken, they're taking repeatedly,
so you know, it's not a one time event generally. But in
the frightening media you might read about those who have been taken and never returned
or people who have gone missing. I've heard, Yeah, that's what I've
heard in some people that I've interviewed that were abductees themselves said that when they
were there, there were people that were never returned. And so it makes
you wonder about the missing person's number that is so large in many places that
could there be some truth to the fact that some of these people are taken
and not returned. That is true, Now we have to ask did they
go voluntarily right? Were there actually extraterrestrials who appeared to be human who are
only joining their extraterrestrial family, or were they taken for some other purpose?
You know, there are many questions surrounding that question, and I don't have
the answer. Human alien beings too. Could they be one of beach,
you know, like part human part alien? Absolutely, could they be perhaps
they h It's very frightening to think about it and to wrap your head around
the possibility, and then you think, is there just one species? Or
o there more? Is this? I imagine that we can't be the only
beings out there, and from these people being abducted, you understand that there
is something else out there. But I feel like there's more than one.
I feel like it's not just us and them. I feel like that there
must be more. How do you feel about that. I've worked on three
major studies on about five thousand experiencers, and two of those studies were with
PhD academics retired, and what we discovered is that there are several species.
There are variations of those species. The grays what you think of the as
The grays are most predominant. There are the human types that come second,
and then there are reports of insectoids that look like mantis, large praying mantises,
only humanoid, avian bird like only humanoid, extraterrestrials, tall whites,
various forms of reptilians. So those are the major types. Now there are
different varieties, so it increases the number. Some people speculate it's in the
sixties or seventies or even more. But when you take a really good look
at this, it's generally variations on the same body type. Oh my goodness.
Well, somewhere along the line, you switched your focus to advocating for
the respectful treatment of people who interacted willingly and unwillingly with non human entities.
I guess my question is when you advocate for them, who are you advocating
them against? And when you say willingly interacted with non human entities, What
exactly do you mean? Okay, two questions. Why did I switch?
I was a cold investigator in the beginning. I was a nuts and bolts
investigator. When I interviewed someone who claimed that they had been abducted, I
was not sympathetic. I wasn't cruel, but I was looking for evidence.
I was like a police detective doing an interview, not showing emotion, not
showing much compassion, looking for evidence. And then I began to realize over
time that in a sense, it was cruel. These people were suffering,
and I was judging them based upon the physical evidence that they could present.
Anyone could tell a story. I decided that I could no longer do this
because I'm a compassionate person and I would never do anything that would hurt anybody.
So I started to interview these individuals with compassion. Most of them did
not have evidence, but there were some cases that were major cases with a
great deal of evidence that something highly unusual had occurred, including video evidence that
showed non humans coming in on beams of light to abduct three individuals, and
one of those individuals already had a confirmed investigated case of alien abduction. So
it's that sort of thing that I do. And then the Mutual UFO Network
asked me to write protocols on how to investigate a UFO abduction. So I
spent over a year working with Denise Stoner very closely and a team of professional
consultants on how to do this kind of investigation, and that is what Moufon's
Field Investigators follow. I thought that we needed to have case dispositions for experiencers.
It's not did the person see a UFO? Was this something different than
a UFO? That kind of thing that doesn't address whether a person was taken
to craft. So I felt compassion toward these individuals, and then the Mutual
UFO Network asked me to form a team of experienced, highly knowledgeable field investigators
who had a great deal of information about ET contact, UFO abductions, that
kind of thing, to speak non judgmentally to people who were seeking help in
resolving the trauma that they were experiencing as a result of their ET contact events.
We started out with three members and today we have about sixty sixty members.
That's crazy. Is this the reason for you writing the book about extraterrestrial
contact? And how to react and how to behave when you do get abducted?
Did one come before the other? Because I find it really interesting how
you could write a book to explain what someone should do if they are abducted.
Yes, I wrote that for this specific reason, and three of the
members of the ERT joined me to writing one chapter. One was a psychotherapist
who worked with experiencers, another is a seasoned investigator and an abductee, and
the other one has a background in psychology and is also a psychic, and
so she wrote about being transformed by these experiences. So I wrote the majority
of the book, but I wanted to have their opinions as well, because
they specialized in important areas. In fact, the one who was the seasoned
investigator and abductee is also a specialist in the paranormal, and we found that
there is a paranormal overlay in the majority of these cases. Experiencers see what
appear to be intelligent light orbs in their homes, their beds, might feel
like something unseen is walking on them, that sort of thing. So to
help people to separate out, is this simply a paranormal event or is it
et related? How can you investigate your own case in case you don't want
to report it to an agency and have it go on the record. I
have also worked with Contact Ease and interviewed many individuals who call in craft.
Sometimes they see the non human entities on the craft, and infrequently they might
have one of these non human entities actually come in to their own environment,
maybe more than one, so it's pretty amazing. I don't have video of
that from these individuals, but that this is the claims that they have been
making, and enough of them have made this claim that perhaps it actually has
happened. It's more than one person who's observing this. Then I took part
in an experiment with an individual from the UK. Originally he was a police
officer in England. He grew up there and when he was a boy,
he had two non humans appear to him. They frightened him terror but then
one came back as an orb and communicated with him the later date and taught
him how to astrall travel, and so for many years he astral traveled.
He was also taken aboard a craft when he was a paper boy a teenager,
and then he moved to the United States with his wife, who had
worked at a college in the psychology department, and I happened to meet them
and eventually was invited to take part in an experiment. That's the way I
thought of it, and the other investigators thought of it as an experiment to
determine whether or not this was real or who he was actually communicating with.
He thought it was ex for terrestrials, and so we met several times,
and during one of the interviews, my fellow researchers said that he appeared to
actually be channeling information. He was not aware that he was channeling, but
from there, one of these interviewers, who was an ordained minister and a
psychotherapist, interviewed him and taught him how to meditate and to communicate with these
non humans, and he began communicating with them. Some of them they claimed
to be from a council of extraterrestrials who were in this quadrant of our galaxy,
that they were a protective force and they were overseeing our planet and the
activities on our planet. That they were monitoring us, they were assisting in
our development, They were sharing information during the sleep cycle to prominent scientists to
help us to move along scientifically. That they had contacted leaders throughout the world
wanting to reveal themselves, and no one was interested in this process. On
and on. In fact, we met for two years and once a month
we were able to take our questions to this individual's home and take our scientific
equipment to attempt to collect evidence. We did collect OVID on a laser thermometer.
We measured up to a ten degree increase in the environment directly around this
experiencer as opposed to around us and the rest of the room. We,
without realizing it, initially, all felt an intense electrical kind of tingling sensation
in our bodies. It reminds me of what my aunt described to me,
And as I went on to investigate this, I discovered that many experiencers of
ET contact have the same sensation in their own bodies, so I found that
extraordinarily interesting. And then they introduced themselves to us, one at a time
and in our group, and told us who they were and why they were
here. We couldn't see them. We might see a shadow on some of
them, so we knew they were there visually, but we never had them
materialize in front of us. Then they wanted to show us evidence. They
showed us craft, but not close up. One of them, who claimed
to be a Zeta Retilian scientist, A Gray, said that he wanted to
communicate with me, and I agreed with trepidation to connect with him. He
came into my environment. I could feel that strong ting sensation and we did
have telepathic communication. In the strangest place, I was a passenger in my
husband's vehicle as we were driving down the highway. Oh my, but we
had this communication and I had that very strong tingling sensation. I asked a
few questions. It's a good thing that I found paper and a pen because
I wrote this down, because when he left, I no longer remembered it.
It was only there on paper and pencil. I remember the tingling.
I remembered his presence, but not what was communicated. For some reason,
maybe it was just so shocking to me. But then he came back from
time to time and gave me information, communicated with me. And other members
of this group had communication to doctor Barton who was the minister, and the
psychotherapist had communication telepathically. Denise Stoner had telepathic communication. Both saw craft when
they were told they were going to see craft. So I saw orps I
saw. I wanted to see craft. We had arranged for that to happen,
But what I saw was over I live on a lake. I saw
a huge, maybe forty foot circle of turbulent water that seemed to be calm
in the center but turbulent on the outside, and I was expecting to see
a craft rise up out of the lake. I knew that that Zeta scientist
was with me. I could feel his presence with me. But I did
not see a craft rise up out of the lake. But it certainly was
something that occurred. I've never seen this before. I've never seen it again.
So there it was invisible. Yes, it could have been cloaked or
invisible, or maybe it was that gray scientist who was doing That is evidence
for me. But you can read about all of this in my book Forbidden
Knowledge. I was just getting ready to ask you if that's what this book
was about, the personal journey from alien abduction to spiritual transformation. And I
can see that connection of them wanting to help us spiritually grow because we need
more of that in the world today, because there is such division and anger
and hatred that we really need to find that spiritual connection and find peace so
please tell us about that book. I'd be happy to. Actually there are
two editions of that book. The first edition is spiritually oriented. It talks
about my growth, my history of being from my childhood through my life,
and my spiritual journey as I went from a nuts and bolts kind of person,
not believing that this could be true in a sense, to actually experiencing
it, to investigating the spiritual side of all of this. And it also
has one hundred and twenty of the questions that we asked to this Council of
Eight and my spiritual journey beyond that. So it's a book about my personal
history. The second edition of this book that I've published only recently, but
it's on Amazon, and Amazon has made a mistake. It lists it as
the first edition date. It's not the first edition date. So you can
purchase it for Amazon, or you can purchase it directly from me on my
website at Kathleen Dashmarden dot com. So the second book is about my personal
history, my relationship with my aunt Betty Hill, what I through with her,
the knowledge that I acquired from her, and my history of doing this.
It also goes into the beginning of my career as a ufologist and as
an investigator, researcher and author, the work that I did, what I
discovered. I also talk about that experiment in the book. I talk about
information that I received from the granddaughter of a Navy rear admiral and his experiment,
and so that sort of prompted me to agree to this experiment even though
it is taboo, even though it is forbidden knowledge. So all of that
has explained my academic history, my research history, those I've worked with,
and what we have discovered as a team, those who I greatly admire,
those who I modeled my career after. And also that major case that I
talked about earlier. I referred to the physical evidence of on video on these
three highly credible individuals who were abducted and what they believed happened. I had
actually done the hypnosis on two of those individuals and just interviewed the third.
So there's a great deal of information there. I'm going to write about that
in greater detail on my next book that I'm going to begin writing probably in
May or June. Doctor Barton and I have been working on a survey,
and this survey is on my website. You can find the link there.
It's a survey on belief in extra terrestrials and religious belief as well, so
anyone can take it. Those members of the general public who might be listening
to this can take the first answer the first twenty five questions, and we
greatly appreciate it. We have about six hundred and fifty responses so far.
We're going to be closing this at the end of the month, and so
we would appreciate as many surveys as we can get. Anyone who participates will
not be identified, will only be using the information they submit. The second
part of the survey that does not have to be completed is about those who
have experienced et contact or contact with religious beings, or contact with non human
entities or ghosts or whatever. If you've had continued contact with something else that's
non human or might have at one time been human, would like your feedback
on that as well. And all of this it's a paranormalcat It's interesting how
I'm fifty eight and I had experiences as a child and used to have premonitions
when I was a kid, and then something traumatic happened and it shut it
down and I never got it back. But I was always fascinated by the
paranormal, but it wasn't until I wrote my first book, which was a
psychological thriller, that this paranormal life fell into my lap and started a whole
new career for me over fifty. So I became a paranormal investment because I
was writing true account ghost stories that people were sharing with me that happened to
them. Like you're writing about people's uf all encounters, I'm writing about their
paranormal ghostly stories. So that very interesting. How we our journeys lead us
in different directions that we least expect. Yes, absolutely they do, and
I think that it's a result of the knowledge we gain and from that knowledge
we take the next step. Absolutely well, thank you for what you do,
because I think it's really important work and I think that those people experience
these abductions need to be acknowledged and understood and that information should be shared with
the world. So thank you for all that you've done for so many years.
It has been my pleasure and my greatest goal in life. So thank
you so much for inviting me to appear on your show. Appreciate it,
and to the listeners out there, I like listening to this week's episode and
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