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Welcome back truth seekers from around the
world. It's time for a very brief

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and impromptu edition of the Flat Earth
Files. On this Sunday morning, December

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third, rainy and cold, December
third. The chickens are out building an

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arc. Not sure what to make
of that, but seriously, just wanted

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to take a few moments to reflect
on last night, now that I've had

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some time to digest it and look
back through some of the clips. Again.

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Our one was just a lot of
back and forth, but really the

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highlight of the night was the beginning
of the second hour, the one hour

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and forty minutes that Pastor Odele was
actually given to give his lecture, and

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he did a tremendous job using both
the Bible and again in the episode last

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night, I cited all the verses
that Pastor Odell quoted versus what Pastor Locke

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did, and really was almost five
to one. But you also have to

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take the time to explain some things
to someone who is completely new to Flatter

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Earth. Right, you can't just
come in and start quoting Bible verses.

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You do have to explain some things
about Antarctica. Right, It's not on

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the bottom of a ball, it's
actually the circumference of our flatter earth which

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retains the water, and how the
north pole is the center, everything away

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from it is south. There are
a few things that you have to explain

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so people do understand and are able
to make those connections with the Bible verses.

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And Pastor Odel did a tremendous job. Also another highlight was that he

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did get some video clips of people, you know, each one was two

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or three minutes about how they came
upon flatter Earth, that it brought them

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back to God. Those were tremendous
testimonies that everyone in the congregation was excited

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about. And then you know,
at that point it was nine to forty

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pm Eastern time. The debate had
been going for two hours and forty minutes,

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and Pastor Locke came on and he
was very loud, fairly disrespectful,

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disrespectful at times, and again being
louder doesn't make you right. Many people

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noted in the YouTube chat on Facebook
and in some of the emails I got,

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Pastor Odele's microphone was a few decibels
lower than Pastor Locks. Was that

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intentional? I don't know. I
can't say, so I'm not going to

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speculate any further on that. But
you know he at the like the four

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hour mark, Pastor Odell came back
on to give a rebuttal, and you

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know Pastor Locke became very belligerent.
And this is the last literally sixty seconds

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of the debate. And this is
when Pastor Lock tossed Pastor Odel. For

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those who haven't heard this year,
give you the scriptures. He gave you

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his version. It took place somebody
else's burden. No, no, this

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is non seal came up with your
scriptures and gave your interpretation of them.

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I gave. I gave you the
Bible interpretation of the Bible. I gave

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more Bible than you did, for
a fact, right there. All right,

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so really that's a fat well.
I'll tell you what how about how

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about in your rebuttal, I'll keep
my mouth shut and you tell me how

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wrong I was about your misapplication of
the ring song in Joke chapter thirty eight.

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First of all, hello, is
it sunrise or not? Not?

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Not at all? I don't agree, purty is Mike off, get out

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why you're a Bible denier. You're
a Bible denier. You're a Bible denier.

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That is ridiculous, Bible denier.
Just get out. So that's what

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happens when you're losing an argument,
you shut down. You're a Bible denier.

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Get out to another pastor whom you
invited to your church, and a

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great portion of the congregation where people
who respected Dean Odle, who came to

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support him. Not just it shouldn't
be again, when you're in the house

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of God, it should be able
to have a conversation in something like this.

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And that's why it was so important. When you go into something like

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this you have a moderator or very
This is, you know, rigid structure

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of how things are going to work. Now Pastor Otle's defense, you'll hear

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in a clip I'm going to play
in a little bit that he said he

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even has the text messages where the
original agreement was. Finally, he said

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he'd been trying for a week to
get the structure from him. Each speak

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for an hour, each rue butt, and that's it, right, and

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that makes perfect sense. Each speak
for an hour, each rebut for fifteen

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minutes, two hours, thirty minutes, perfect time. Everybody has plenty of

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time. And again, when explaining
flat Earth for the first time, to

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people. It's very time consuming.
There's a lot of things biblically and maps

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and flight paths in Antarctica. There's
a lot, and there's only so much

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people's brain can handle at one time. It has to be that's why we

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talk about breadcrumbs on this program now. When this announcement was first made by

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Pastor Locke, I think it was
November two and they said, you know,

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we're going to get flat earthers down
here and speak and this that I

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immediately reached out and I said I'd
like to be a part of this,

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because originally it just wasn't Pastor Lock
versus Pastor Odel. I said I would

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like to be a part of this, and I said my little resume,

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And it took two weeks for them
to respond, and they said, you're

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welcome to come and set up your
podcast, but as far as speaking,

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we have that covered. If you
have any questions, further questions, let

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me know. And that was from
Cassandra Ellis, the executative Assistant of Global

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Vision Bible Church, and again that
was November sixteenth, and I replied immediately

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the next morning and I let them
know, listen, I'm not driving forty

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five minutes. I'm driving seven hundred
and fifty miles. I need to know

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the logistics of things when I get
there. Can I come in early and

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set up and interview people? Or
do I have to stand out in the

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parking lot? Oh wi fi?
Yeah, all this thing? If you're

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traveling seven hundred and fifty miles.
I'm you know, I'm a detail oriented

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got to begin with. And I
just thanked them. I said, have

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a great weekend, and I just
basically asked, can I get a phone

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number to Can I chat with somebody
on the phone for just a few minutes

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before I commit to, you know, spending all weekend traveling and going through

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these things. And once again it
took her another It was this eight days

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for her to reply back, and
at that point it was the week of

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And I'm just you know, when
you get older, you trust your gut

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a little bit and something It's like, man, you can't even reply in

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a timely matter. I'm just going
to watch it from home, and in

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retrospect, I think I'm pretty glad
that I did, just because of the

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fallout at the end, and I
don't want to be that kind of reminded

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me of what happened in our church, you know, back in the eighties,

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the divisiveness within the House of God
and the split and the feeling that

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I didn't want to be a part
of. And again I'm not blaming Pastor

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Odele for this whatsoever. Again,
Pastor Locke invited Pastor Odele to give his

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thoughts on what he believed in,
and he did it. He cited his

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work both biblically and you know,
with scientific facts, with CIA documents via

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FOIA requests and everything else. He
did a tremendous job. He was,

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like you said, he was firm. But in no way, shape or

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form did I feel that Pastor Odle
was disrespectful. If anything, I thought

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he did a good job. Now, I was chatting with a few of

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our listeners, Dan and Gary.
Gary pointed out to me that Global Vision

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as soon as the stream was over, they deleted the YouTube video. So

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Pastor Locke wanted no traces of his
actions like nobody else recorded it, which

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was kind of silly. And listen, I've done some bad episodes in my

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time. I don't delete them.
You got to be accountable for yourself.

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So for him to have just deleted
a four hour and a fifteen minute stream

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from his YouTube channel really goes to
show that he's got some he's got some

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confidence issues, right, he can't
handle criticisms. He can't I don't know.

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But Gary says something that I wanted
to. He said that he's going

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to play this off tomorrow, which
is today. Right, this happens Saturday

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night. He's got a service today
on Sunday, and he thinks that Pastor

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Locke is going to defend his actions, something to the effect of quote,

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as a pastor entrusted with sharing and
defending God's word, I couldn't let what

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was happening last night at the debate
to go on any longer. So he

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thinks that's how he's going to deflect
criticism today and for his actions of throwing

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another pastor out of his church.
And then again, it will be interesting

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to hear Pastor Dean's take on it
as well, and we'll reach out to

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him. We'll wait about a week
a cold down period, because there's going

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to be hundreds of people reaching out
to him over the next couple of days

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and I don't want, you know, my email to get lost in all

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of that. In the in the
jungle of emails, So I'm going to

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wait about a week, you know, next week sometime I'll send him an

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email reach out to him. I
did send him an email last night,

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shortly after the interview happened. What
time was this eleven to fifty pm Eastern

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time. I just told him I
watched all four hours of the debate and

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I was sad to see how Pastor
Locke treated you. You were his guest

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and should have been treated as such. All of us are proud of how

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you conducted yourself in that environment.
I know your flock will continue to grow

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tonight simply because of the humility and
strength you showed tonight. God bless you

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and your family safe travels as you
make your way back home tomorrow. And

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my signature block there. So what
can you say now? One thing I

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did want to point out, and
I'm not here to throw rocks, but

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at the same time, see something, say something right. I was like,

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what is Pastor lock all about?
Because I've I've heard about him,

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and like Gary said, I always
kind of wanted to go to his church.

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My friend of forty years is a
huge Elvis fan, and we were

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going to do this weekend in the
spring. I think in March we were

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going to go to Memphis and see
Elvis and then stop at Mount Juliet on

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that Sunday for worship service. Now
not so much. But I wanted to

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do more research to find out what
this guy was really about. And it

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turns out. This article is from
The Christian Post dated July fourteenth, twenty

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twenty three, three days after announcing
that he's scrubbed thousands of videos from his

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Facebook page to quote minimize collateral damage
and focus on his deliverance ministry. Internet

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famous preacher Greg Locke met with televangelist
and faith healer Benny Hinn for the first

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time. After years of branding him
a false prophet. Now they are friends.

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I was like, well, that's
interesting, maybe I can find the

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video, and sure enough I did. I'm just going to play about two

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minutes of this clip of Benny Hinn
with Pastor Greg Locke from earlier this year.

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You're going to love this today,
you are just going to love this

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I have with me Pastor Greg Lot. Now Pastor Greg Lot at one time

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did not like me, in fact, he wrote the book against me.

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And today we're friends. So only
God can can do that. I met

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him just yesterday, and he has
become quite well known recently, and you're

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going to talk about her moving all
that, but first I want you to

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tell him what you told me yesterday. And by the way, I really

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liked him on the spot. On
the spot is very dynamic at one time

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Southern Baptist, and I look at
the way he's dressed, very spiffy.

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Yes, hey, anyway fastor is
so glad you ken? Thank you for

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having me. You know, I
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little bit more fundamental than oh my
goodness and the Southern Baptist. Okay,

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yeah, literally twenty one years ago
I wrote a book against you for all

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the wrong reasons because I had read
and heard and you know, watched all

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the out of context clip in those
days. And I literally had no affinity

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whatsoever for anybody in healing ministry,
deliverance ministry. I thought all gifts,

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miracles, tongue signs, wonder or
ceased. I was Baptist. Amongst Baptists,

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I was an absolute cessationist. I
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When they died, the power died
with them. So when I would

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see you on TV, I would
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in me towards anybody that was on
you know, TBN or CBN or seven

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hundred club. And the one he
called his book Blinded by Bennett, Blinded,

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Blinded by Benny with the white seat
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too. That works. How pretty
flamboyant. Now, man, I love,

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I said, just took one day
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But you know, I just I
really had an absolute aversion to anything

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that was supernatural. H But the
more I read the Bible, the more

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powerful the ministry of the Holy Spirit
became. And so I tell people the

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theology of God's Word ruined my manmate
theology because I was always tall. Well,

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you know, they just believe in
experience over theology. But what I

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found out is that's not the truth. You believe in experiential theology. You

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believe your theology that is really really
yowful. He's got a church now outside

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in Natshville. Thousands of people,
what is it, eight thousands? Well,

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we've baptized down thousand, five hundred
people in the last three years.

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We consistently run a couple thousand,
three thousand. Wow. Hit a tent

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and I saw the tent. Yeah, it looks quite nice. It's a

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three thousand see tenth. But you've
got to hear this man. You know,

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he'll talk more about what happened with
him, but it's really I need

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administer. And he just did a
movie. I like to talk about that.

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Yes, absolutely, but keep going. I'm enjoying it. Yeah,

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yeah, Really, what happened is
my wife and I are from two different

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worlds. She was saved out of
a ditch of addiction. I was saved

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out of religion, so she didn't
have to unlearn anything. So what what

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happened is we'd lay in bed at
night and she would read the Bible and

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she would like, Honey, do
you realize we have power to cast out

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devils, We have power to lay
hands on the sick, power to speak

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an unknown tongue. And I'd be
like, hey, I know the Bible

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says that. And I'd be careful
because I didn't want to back in the

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corner and take her fire away from
her, because she was just so passionate,

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she was so innocent in what she
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and I was like, no,
well, let's throw the Jake brakes on,

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and I don't want the invitation to
go too long. If anybody falls

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out, somebody's gonna see it on
the live stream and fake I'm Benny hitting

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right. And so I just had
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supernatural in our church. And then
we began long story short in twenty seventeen.

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I began to systematically preach about the
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the gifts in a way to not
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But the more I read, the
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what the Holy Spirit was saying.
And everybody was like, well you

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know, and there you go.
I'll put the link to the clip Where

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would we be without the power of
God? By Benny Hill? That has

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six Benny Hill, Benny Hen sorry, uh, six hundred and twenty two

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thousand subscribers to mister Benny Hat and
wow, quite the house, Benny Hill.

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Benny Hen has uh, keeps say
Benny Hill, showing my age.

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I have two more clips to play. This was Pastor Lock outside of the

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church after the events unfolded, and
here he kind of talks about how he

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was trying to get Pastor locked to
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run. And I'll just play the
audio. This runs about two minutes and

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change and Barry, this is fine. I'm sure a Zachly really should all

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you be able to talk? Everybody? Hey listening? Fine? Yeah,

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just go to the youenal the Ministri's
lags. But Patty then it just got

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the lead got we thank you for
all. Thank you, Mark is Man

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everything people's prayer. If I'm going
to tell you it was so it was

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so heavy trying that before getting up
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the prayers got me through it because
it was difficult. So I'm sorry.

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He wasn't like that, you said. I mean he turned to Mike home.

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Come on, you know what needs
This is the beginning of praying for

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he had his eyes to be woken
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Look here, I don't hate the
man. I loved him. I

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praying for him. I wanted this
to be useful. But I wouldn't let

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him bulldoze me either, because I'm
I'm a man, ain't you know?

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So I got from but I never
you know, I wasn't gonna be little

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him just in any way or anything
like that. I thought. I thought

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he would let me, he told
me, but which I asked him.

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I begged him for the fore masts
that we were gonna do. He would

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not give it to him. Even
told me a few days ago. I

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have the text that he would defend
me. How we we're gonna do it.

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Yeah, didn't tell me till I
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is? So then so then you
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we will have a conversation. We'll
sit it there, We'll let you speak,

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I'll speak, then you'll have a
rebuttal, and then I'll have a

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rebuff. And so I made notes
of some of the things he said that

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I wanted to, but he just
he wouldn't let me do it, you

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know. Yeah, well it was
obvious. Was obvious. He's been my

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pastor he's been my past in the
past three years. But I have them

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say three year right now? Yeah, yeah, yah, Steve, it's

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God, It's God's great. I'm
not to look say this is I'm all

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a lie, this is not I
mean, this was not an easy thing

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to do or to get ready for
the feel less todays, knowing that things

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could get marcyly so It's been a
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the Lord wanted me to do it. And uh, I know this.

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I know we were already getting messages. Like the guy was watching it with

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his wife and he said, man, you open my wife's eyes tonight to

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what the Bible? Right then?
See that's just yeah? Then why and

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all we said things out of him
throwing back? Can we do a deliberate

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somewhere somewhere pupils are guess why he
was here. Well, we'll see what

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happens. Look, we'll start the
people at the Marriott that are writ in

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the room. The lady is good, she is sweet as posh, and

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there you go. He again talked
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he was going to continue to pray
for Pastor Locke. And again he does

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talk about how they were trying.
He tried for a week to say,

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hey, what what's the format going
to be? And obviously didn't work out.

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And I want to close in by
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I'm playing, thank you to Austin
witze It of his YouTube channel wits It

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gets It. He was there last
night for the event, and this is

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the clip where the police show up
is zero prone. It's unbelievable to live

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out the cops here. They want
to sell in the league. Yeah,

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now to get ran all hill there
were I know, I don't know,

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man, it's it's zero proof.
Mister Locket, I can't call him a

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fire shir Yeah. Literally, the
sheriffs are here, tell us we have

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to leave you dude, So there
you go. They actually called the sheriffs.

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The sheriff showed up. I don't
know, nine to one one,

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what's your emergency. I'm surrounded by
flat earther's help. I'm not sure how

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that phone call went, but they
did call the police and Austin showed on

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his I'll drop that link in there
as well if you want to watch the

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video portion, because, like I
said, Pastor Locke deleted his video from

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his channel. Can't make the stuff
up. So again, I'd love to

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hear your take on what went down
last night. There's two ways you can

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put a quick episode together with your
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you would like me to use your
first name or to leave it anonymous,

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etc. It was a very big
event. It was all over social media.

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There was some good things about it, and there were some detrimental things

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about it as well. You don't
like to see anything like that happened in

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a worship service like that, right, But at the end of the day,

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I think Pastor Locke was exposed maybe
for who he is, and maybe

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he needs to take some time and
look in the mirror and do some reflection.

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We'll see what happens. I'll peek
in on a service later on this

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morning. I'm sure he will bring
it up and we'll see if he's gonna

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have some humble pie or if he's
gonna continue on the defensive. We shall,

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But anyway, I just thought I
would take some time to share my

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thoughts and a few of the clips
that I found, But I'd love to

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hear your thoughts as well. Everybody, have a great day. APM Eastern

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time. Tonight our episode with Brandon
will drop. I hope you enjoy that.

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And then Wednesday, it'll be a
little later in the evening, probably

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about eleven, our interview with John. So I hope you all enjoy.

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God bless have a great week,
and until the next time when we meet

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my friends, we will see you