Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for a very brief
and impromptu edition of the Flat Earth Files. On this Sunday morning, December
third, rainy and cold, December third. The chickens are out building an
arc. Not sure what to make of that, but seriously, just wanted
to take a few moments to reflect on last night, now that I've had
some time to digest it and look back through some of the clips. Again.
Our one was just a lot of back and forth, but really the
highlight of the night was the beginning of the second hour, the one hour
and forty minutes that Pastor Odele was actually given to give his lecture, and
he did a tremendous job using both the Bible and again in the episode last
night, I cited all the verses that Pastor Odell quoted versus what Pastor Locke
did, and really was almost five to one. But you also have to
take the time to explain some things to someone who is completely new to Flatter
Earth. Right, you can't just come in and start quoting Bible verses.
You do have to explain some things about Antarctica. Right, It's not on
the bottom of a ball, it's actually the circumference of our flatter earth which
retains the water, and how the north pole is the center, everything away
from it is south. There are a few things that you have to explain
so people do understand and are able to make those connections with the Bible verses.
And Pastor Odel did a tremendous job. Also another highlight was that he
did get some video clips of people, you know, each one was two
or three minutes about how they came upon flatter Earth, that it brought them
back to God. Those were tremendous testimonies that everyone in the congregation was excited
about. And then you know, at that point it was nine to forty
pm Eastern time. The debate had been going for two hours and forty minutes,
and Pastor Locke came on and he was very loud, fairly disrespectful,
disrespectful at times, and again being louder doesn't make you right. Many people
noted in the YouTube chat on Facebook and in some of the emails I got,
Pastor Odele's microphone was a few decibels lower than Pastor Locks. Was that
intentional? I don't know. I can't say, so I'm not going to
speculate any further on that. But you know he at the like the four
hour mark, Pastor Odell came back on to give a rebuttal, and you
know Pastor Locke became very belligerent. And this is the last literally sixty seconds
of the debate. And this is when Pastor Lock tossed Pastor Odel. For
those who haven't heard this year, give you the scriptures. He gave you
his version. It took place somebody else's burden. No, no, this
is non seal came up with your scriptures and gave your interpretation of them.
I gave. I gave you the Bible interpretation of the Bible. I gave
more Bible than you did, for a fact, right there. All right,
so really that's a fat well. I'll tell you what how about how
about in your rebuttal, I'll keep my mouth shut and you tell me how
wrong I was about your misapplication of the ring song in Joke chapter thirty eight.
First of all, hello, is it sunrise or not? Not?
Not at all? I don't agree, purty is Mike off, get out
why you're a Bible denier. You're a Bible denier. You're a Bible denier.
That is ridiculous, Bible denier. Just get out. So that's what
happens when you're losing an argument, you shut down. You're a Bible denier.
Get out to another pastor whom you invited to your church, and a
great portion of the congregation where people who respected Dean Odle, who came to
support him. Not just it shouldn't be again, when you're in the house
of God, it should be able to have a conversation in something like this.
And that's why it was so important. When you go into something like
this you have a moderator or very This is, you know, rigid structure
of how things are going to work. Now Pastor Otle's defense, you'll hear
in a clip I'm going to play in a little bit that he said he
even has the text messages where the original agreement was. Finally, he said
he'd been trying for a week to get the structure from him. Each speak
for an hour, each rue butt, and that's it, right, and
that makes perfect sense. Each speak for an hour, each rebut for fifteen
minutes, two hours, thirty minutes, perfect time. Everybody has plenty of
time. And again, when explaining flat Earth for the first time, to
people. It's very time consuming. There's a lot of things biblically and maps
and flight paths in Antarctica. There's a lot, and there's only so much
people's brain can handle at one time. It has to be that's why we
talk about breadcrumbs on this program now. When this announcement was first made by
Pastor Locke, I think it was November two and they said, you know,
we're going to get flat earthers down here and speak and this that I
immediately reached out and I said I'd like to be a part of this,
because originally it just wasn't Pastor Lock versus Pastor Odel. I said I would
like to be a part of this, and I said my little resume,
And it took two weeks for them to respond, and they said, you're
welcome to come and set up your podcast, but as far as speaking,
we have that covered. If you have any questions, further questions, let
me know. And that was from Cassandra Ellis, the executative Assistant of Global
Vision Bible Church, and again that was November sixteenth, and I replied immediately
the next morning and I let them know, listen, I'm not driving forty
five minutes. I'm driving seven hundred and fifty miles. I need to know
the logistics of things when I get there. Can I come in early and
set up and interview people? Or do I have to stand out in the
parking lot? Oh wi fi? Yeah, all this thing? If you're
traveling seven hundred and fifty miles. I'm you know, I'm a detail oriented
got to begin with. And I just thanked them. I said, have
a great weekend, and I just basically asked, can I get a phone
number to Can I chat with somebody on the phone for just a few minutes
before I commit to, you know, spending all weekend traveling and going through
these things. And once again it took her another It was this eight days
for her to reply back, and at that point it was the week of
And I'm just you know, when you get older, you trust your gut
a little bit and something It's like, man, you can't even reply in
a timely matter. I'm just going to watch it from home, and in
retrospect, I think I'm pretty glad that I did, just because of the
fallout at the end, and I don't want to be that kind of reminded
me of what happened in our church, you know, back in the eighties,
the divisiveness within the House of God and the split and the feeling that
I didn't want to be a part of. And again I'm not blaming Pastor
Odele for this whatsoever. Again, Pastor Locke invited Pastor Odele to give his
thoughts on what he believed in, and he did it. He cited his
work both biblically and you know, with scientific facts, with CIA documents via
FOIA requests and everything else. He did a tremendous job. He was,
like you said, he was firm. But in no way, shape or
form did I feel that Pastor Odle was disrespectful. If anything, I thought
he did a good job. Now, I was chatting with a few of
our listeners, Dan and Gary. Gary pointed out to me that Global Vision
as soon as the stream was over, they deleted the YouTube video. So
Pastor Locke wanted no traces of his actions like nobody else recorded it, which
was kind of silly. And listen, I've done some bad episodes in my
time. I don't delete them. You got to be accountable for yourself.
So for him to have just deleted a four hour and a fifteen minute stream
from his YouTube channel really goes to show that he's got some he's got some
confidence issues, right, he can't handle criticisms. He can't I don't know.
But Gary says something that I wanted to. He said that he's going
to play this off tomorrow, which is today. Right, this happens Saturday
night. He's got a service today on Sunday, and he thinks that Pastor
Locke is going to defend his actions, something to the effect of quote,
as a pastor entrusted with sharing and defending God's word, I couldn't let what
was happening last night at the debate to go on any longer. So he
thinks that's how he's going to deflect criticism today and for his actions of throwing
another pastor out of his church. And then again, it will be interesting
to hear Pastor Dean's take on it as well, and we'll reach out to
him. We'll wait about a week a cold down period, because there's going
to be hundreds of people reaching out to him over the next couple of days
and I don't want, you know, my email to get lost in all
of that. In the in the jungle of emails, So I'm going to
wait about a week, you know, next week sometime I'll send him an
email reach out to him. I did send him an email last night,
shortly after the interview happened. What time was this eleven to fifty pm Eastern
time. I just told him I watched all four hours of the debate and
I was sad to see how Pastor Locke treated you. You were his guest
and should have been treated as such. All of us are proud of how
you conducted yourself in that environment. I know your flock will continue to grow
tonight simply because of the humility and strength you showed tonight. God bless you
and your family safe travels as you make your way back home tomorrow. And
my signature block there. So what can you say now? One thing I
did want to point out, and I'm not here to throw rocks, but
at the same time, see something, say something right. I was like,
what is Pastor lock all about? Because I've I've heard about him,
and like Gary said, I always kind of wanted to go to his church.
My friend of forty years is a huge Elvis fan, and we were
going to do this weekend in the spring. I think in March we were
going to go to Memphis and see Elvis and then stop at Mount Juliet on
that Sunday for worship service. Now not so much. But I wanted to
do more research to find out what this guy was really about. And it
turns out. This article is from The Christian Post dated July fourteenth, twenty
twenty three, three days after announcing that he's scrubbed thousands of videos from his
Facebook page to quote minimize collateral damage and focus on his deliverance ministry. Internet
famous preacher Greg Locke met with televangelist and faith healer Benny Hinn for the first
time. After years of branding him a false prophet. Now they are friends.
I was like, well, that's interesting, maybe I can find the
video, and sure enough I did. I'm just going to play about two
minutes of this clip of Benny Hinn with Pastor Greg Locke from earlier this year.
You're going to love this today, you are just going to love this
I have with me Pastor Greg Lot. Now Pastor Greg Lot at one time
did not like me, in fact, he wrote the book against me.
And today we're friends. So only God can can do that. I met
him just yesterday, and he has become quite well known recently, and you're
going to talk about her moving all that, but first I want you to
tell him what you told me yesterday. And by the way, I really
liked him on the spot. On the spot is very dynamic at one time
Southern Baptist, and I look at the way he's dressed, very spiffy.
Yes, hey, anyway fastor is so glad you ken? Thank you for
having me. You know, I was actually independent Baptist, which is a
little bit more fundamental than oh my goodness and the Southern Baptist. Okay,
yeah, literally twenty one years ago I wrote a book against you for all
the wrong reasons because I had read and heard and you know, watched all
the out of context clip in those days. And I literally had no affinity
whatsoever for anybody in healing ministry, deliverance ministry. I thought all gifts,
miracles, tongue signs, wonder or ceased. I was Baptist. Amongst Baptists,
I was an absolute cessationist. I was taught that the apostles had power.
When they died, the power died with them. So when I would
see you on TV, I would immediately have this bitterness that would well up
in me towards anybody that was on you know, TBN or CBN or seven
hundred club. And the one he called his book Blinded by Bennett, Blinded,
Blinded by Benny with the white seat on the front, with the white
too. That works. How pretty flamboyant. Now, man, I love,
I said, just took one day for you to rub off on me.
But you know, I just I really had an absolute aversion to anything
that was supernatural. H But the more I read the Bible, the more
powerful the ministry of the Holy Spirit became. And so I tell people the
theology of God's Word ruined my manmate theology because I was always tall. Well,
you know, they just believe in experience over theology. But what I
found out is that's not the truth. You believe in experiential theology. You
believe your theology that is really really yowful. He's got a church now outside
in Natshville. Thousands of people, what is it, eight thousands? Well,
we've baptized down thousand, five hundred people in the last three years.
We consistently run a couple thousand, three thousand. Wow. Hit a tent
and I saw the tent. Yeah, it looks quite nice. It's a
three thousand see tenth. But you've got to hear this man. You know,
he'll talk more about what happened with him, but it's really I need
administer. And he just did a movie. I like to talk about that.
Yes, absolutely, but keep going. I'm enjoying it. Yeah,
yeah, Really, what happened is my wife and I are from two different
worlds. She was saved out of a ditch of addiction. I was saved
out of religion, so she didn't have to unlearn anything. So what what
happened is we'd lay in bed at night and she would read the Bible and
she would like, Honey, do you realize we have power to cast out
devils, We have power to lay hands on the sick, power to speak
an unknown tongue. And I'd be like, hey, I know the Bible
says that. And I'd be careful because I didn't want to back in the
corner and take her fire away from her, because she was just so passionate,
she was so innocent in what she was learning from the Holy Spirit,
and I was like, no, well, let's throw the Jake brakes on,
and I don't want the invitation to go too long. If anybody falls
out, somebody's gonna see it on the live stream and fake I'm Benny hitting
right. And so I just had such a scarcity and an aversion to anything
supernatural in our church. And then we began long story short in twenty seventeen.
I began to systematically preach about the gifts. And I almost preached about
the gifts in a way to not defend them, but to dismiss them.
But the more I read, the more I could not dismiss what I knew,
what the Holy Spirit was saying. And everybody was like, well you
know, and there you go. I'll put the link to the clip Where
would we be without the power of God? By Benny Hill? That has
six Benny Hill, Benny Hen sorry, uh, six hundred and twenty two
thousand subscribers to mister Benny Hat and wow, quite the house, Benny Hill.
Benny Hen has uh, keeps say Benny Hill, showing my age.
I have two more clips to play. This was Pastor Lock outside of the
church after the events unfolded, and here he kind of talks about how he
was trying to get Pastor locked to agree to how things were going to be
run. And I'll just play the audio. This runs about two minutes and
change and Barry, this is fine. I'm sure a Zachly really should all
you be able to talk? Everybody? Hey listening? Fine? Yeah,
just go to the youenal the Ministri's lags. But Patty then it just got
the lead got we thank you for all. Thank you, Mark is Man
everything people's prayer. If I'm going to tell you it was so it was
so heavy trying that before getting up there, and everything's ritually heavy. But
the prayers got me through it because it was difficult. So I'm sorry.
He wasn't like that, you said. I mean he turned to Mike home.
Come on, you know what needs This is the beginning of praying for
he had his eyes to be woken up because a lot of truth is spoken.
Look here, I don't hate the man. I loved him. I
praying for him. I wanted this to be useful. But I wouldn't let
him bulldoze me either, because I'm I'm a man, ain't you know?
So I got from but I never you know, I wasn't gonna be little
him just in any way or anything like that. I thought. I thought
he would let me, he told me, but which I asked him.
I begged him for the fore masts that we were gonna do. He would
not give it to him. Even told me a few days ago. I
have the text that he would defend me. How we we're gonna do it.
Yeah, didn't tell me till I got here, is what didn't it
is? So then so then you know, he tells me, well,
we will have a conversation. We'll sit it there, We'll let you speak,
I'll speak, then you'll have a rebuttal, and then I'll have a
rebuff. And so I made notes of some of the things he said that
I wanted to, but he just he wouldn't let me do it, you
know. Yeah, well it was obvious. Was obvious. He's been my
pastor he's been my past in the past three years. But I have them
say three year right now? Yeah, yeah, yah, Steve, it's
God, It's God's great. I'm not to look say this is I'm all
a lie, this is not I mean, this was not an easy thing
to do or to get ready for the feel less todays, knowing that things
could get marcyly so It's been a hard thing to do, but I know
the Lord wanted me to do it. And uh, I know this.
I know we were already getting messages. Like the guy was watching it with
his wife and he said, man, you open my wife's eyes tonight to
what the Bible? Right then? See that's just yeah? Then why and
all we said things out of him throwing back? Can we do a deliberate
somewhere somewhere pupils are guess why he was here. Well, we'll see what
happens. Look, we'll start the people at the Marriott that are writ in
the room. The lady is good, she is sweet as posh, and
there you go. He again talked a little bit about what went on and
he was going to continue to pray for Pastor Locke. And again he does
talk about how they were trying. He tried for a week to say,
hey, what what's the format going to be? And obviously didn't work out.
And I want to close in by the way, these two clips that
I'm playing, thank you to Austin witze It of his YouTube channel wits It
gets It. He was there last night for the event, and this is
the clip where the police show up is zero prone. It's unbelievable to live
out the cops here. They want to sell in the league. Yeah,
now to get ran all hill there were I know, I don't know,
man, it's it's zero proof. Mister Locket, I can't call him a
fire shir Yeah. Literally, the sheriffs are here, tell us we have
to leave you dude, So there you go. They actually called the sheriffs.
The sheriff showed up. I don't know, nine to one one,
what's your emergency. I'm surrounded by flat earther's help. I'm not sure how
that phone call went, but they did call the police and Austin showed on
his I'll drop that link in there as well if you want to watch the
video portion, because, like I said, Pastor Locke deleted his video from
his channel. Can't make the stuff up. So again, I'd love to
hear your take on what went down last night. There's two ways you can
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you would like me to use your first name or to leave it anonymous,
etc. It was a very big event. It was all over social media.
There was some good things about it, and there were some detrimental things
about it as well. You don't like to see anything like that happened in
a worship service like that, right, But at the end of the day,
I think Pastor Locke was exposed maybe for who he is, and maybe
he needs to take some time and look in the mirror and do some reflection.
We'll see what happens. I'll peek in on a service later on this
morning. I'm sure he will bring it up and we'll see if he's gonna
have some humble pie or if he's gonna continue on the defensive. We shall,
But anyway, I just thought I would take some time to share my
thoughts and a few of the clips that I found, But I'd love to
hear your thoughts as well. Everybody, have a great day. APM Eastern
time. Tonight our episode with Brandon will drop. I hope you enjoy that.
And then Wednesday, it'll be a little later in the evening, probably
about eleven, our interview with John. So I hope you all enjoy.
God bless have a great week, and until the next time when we meet
my friends, we will see you