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Hello and welcome. You are listening
to Seventh Sanctum and I am Kerry Ann

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and tonight I've been joined with my
co host Natalie H. Good after morning,

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evening, afternoon, day, night
time, if you are, and

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everything in between. Yes, time
is but a social construct, so yeah,

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we're at that level. And today
we're being joined with Rigor, who

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is the founder. I'm gonna say, oh, Scotland's paranormal investigations group in

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Scotland. Obviously, welcome Rigor,
thank you for having me on. Kerry,

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thank you that Scotland button. No, that's very true. That's really

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true. And I all we get
we get told a lot that would speak

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too quick, so I probably there's
parts that you can understand, but I'll

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try my best to be fair.
I used to work in a hotel and

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we had a I can't remember which
part of Scotland he came from, but

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when he used to come down,
he used to get really angry with me

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for the first ten minutes because it
used to take me ten minutes to click

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into his accent. And once I
clicked into it, I was fine because

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I have a conversation with him and
he was like, you've spoken to me

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before, why can't you understand me? And it's like, like you say,

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it's sort of sometimes it can be
quite fast in your brain's like oh

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my god, I need to translate
it. And then when you click into

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the accent, it's like, oh, yeah, I understand. You know,

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I've got it now. But yeah, he used to get angry with

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me because because I spoke to him
quite regularly and I should have understood it

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Scotland accent to the Scottish accent straight
away. Yeah, so if we have

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to repeat ourselves a couple of times
and then we'll get it, we'll hang

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of it. No offense pod you
know, Sean Connery and all. But

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just doesn't it work? Yeah?
Yeah, I have that. I have

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a telephone voice, and then I
have my essex. My essex voice comes

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through very thick and in the phone
gorgeous. Just changes. Yeah, Kerry's

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got a proper telephone voice. It's
really obvious. As soon as she as

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soon as she starts recording, she
gets, well it's a podcast voice,

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isn't it. Really, it's my
missus bouquet. She goes very posh,

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Well, welcome, thank you so
much for joining us and this evening we're

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going to be talking about everything paranormal
and that other as well, So I

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think it's always a good place to
ask. What started your journey here?

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How did you end up on seventh
Sanctum shouts to night like it's the pinnacle.

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Well, I think we've been We've
actually been in contact a few times.

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I'm sure. I actually think that
you come on just as we started

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the page, which was February twenty
twenty one, I think you actually come

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on a podcast. It was called
the parapost I think we named it once.

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So since I've been back and forward
and stuff like that, I think

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we all looking to like collaborating and
things like that. But my journey started

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really when I was eighteen, I
would say, and it was just a

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typical eighteen year old at partying stuff
like that, and one of my close

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friends I would always say to him, are you coming at the weekend?

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They're like, no, No,
I'm busy, I'm busy, I'm busy.

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But it turns out that he was
actually in a paranormal team, but

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he kept it quiet because he was
embarrassed. So one thing led to the

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other and I found that he was
on the team, and I said can

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I go one night? And he
says no, because you'll just embarrass me,

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And I says, no, I'm
interested. I've get five sisters,

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and one of my sister's always dark
and it had like the crystals and stuff

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like that. So I've also had
that be interested. But the very first

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time I went, when I was
eighteen, I went into Gordon that ran

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the group into his house and there
was a wee woman, Margaret. I

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can remember her face to this day. She was about seventy back then.

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And then she took me into the
kitchen. She shut the kitchen door and

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she said, does a there's a
strong energy about you. Your mum passed

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away five year ago, told me
how she passed away, told me where

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she was buried, told me stuff
that needed to knew that I was obviously

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I was a wee terror back then, so got up to some stuff that

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shouldn't have got up to and she
told me all this, and then just

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then it blew my mind because I
was like, how does she know that?

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And I questioned myself, I thought, does she know my sisters?

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Does she know my dad? And
this is well before social media. So

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we went to a place called a
d russ and castle that night and I

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just had a video camera and she
says to it was just me and her

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at this point. The rest of
the team and that was away and splat

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up to different areas and stuff like
that, so it just me and also

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said there's a shadow in the corner
of that castle. So as I pointed

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the video camera around, nothing happened. That was fine. After an investigation

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went back to Golden's house, but
reviewed some of the footage my footage put

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up. It got to that part, either Margaret saying or something in the

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corner, and just as she says
that, there's a ball of light,

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maybe a bit the size of the
tennis ball, maybe a wee bit bigger,

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and it actually came out for the
comery of the castle and it hurt

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the camera and the camera went all
that's static way, But at that point

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it never happened there. And then
it was when we looked back at the

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food. So just at that blew
my mind. That was it. That

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was me. I was hooked.
I was hooked it so and she told

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me about my mum and stuff like
that, but I was just hooked,

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especially when the energy. But I
looked into that years ago as well,

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and it's a thing that you can
get balls energy that can appear. It's

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not necessarily its spirit like that,
but it just blew my mind. And

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then every Friday that was it.
I stopped getting it to the pumps and

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stuff like that, and that was
it. Every Friday I was away investigating

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every single Friday. And then it
just kind of it just kind of went

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through there. Joining another couple of
teams, never really worked bought out.

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The last team I was in,
I think that was maybe twenty sixteen,

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and it was just a whole of
carry on. It was no professionalism,

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there was nothing. They were just
doing it to the money side of things.

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So I left and then I stopped
the paranormal for a while, and

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I decided, do you know what
I'm gonna I'm going to try and start

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start my own team. So starting
one team called Scotlan's Paral Investigations Group in

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February twenty one, advertised for some
investigators. Focus was maybe interested, maybe

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somebody would like to do some camera
work and things like, get some interests.

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Some people joined, some people went, New faces joined, new faces

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their faces went. Then finally it's
myself, David Liz and Stephen. We've

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been together and we're in the team
for about a year Liz Stephen. He's

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been a team for about a year
and a half now, David's been about

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two and a half year. So
but we're kind of gel, you know,

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and well we're kind of bring our
own things to the paranormal. You

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get David as EVPs, Liz is
sensitive, Stephen o'king I deal with a

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camera work and that side of things, technology side of things and things like

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that. So we kind of kind
of gel and which helps as well because

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we like to do some private investigations
as well. So maybe somebody asks to

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go to like out to their homestead, our businesses or whatnot and stuff like

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that, and we always get good
feedback, which is always good. It's

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always nice to hear some good feedback
because you know that you're you're doing something

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right rather than doing it and just
making nonsense up and saying, oh,

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we'll need your return. There's times
that we've been and evolved his money and

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we don't take it and they're actually
shocked. They're like, well, you

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know, take it. We're like, well, I'm not here for the

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money. If we want to investigate
in your property, we're probably go up

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in the hills, putting the cold
in the rain investigating. So we're thankful

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for the fact that you've asked us
and put your trust in us to come

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and try and give you some answers, you know what I mean, just

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being legit about it and stuff like
that. So that's it's been a good

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journey so far. This has been
a good journey. And finally I'm on

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here, i'ving a chick chat.
Do you find did you find like with

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the members of your group changing that
once you did find that right mix of

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people, that your results improved Because
at one point, I think in the

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team there was seven, there was
seventies. So straight away it was just

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it was it was too much because
you had too much chiefs, you know

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what I mean, folk onely agreeing, and there was there was a lot

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of bitching behind backs, and it
would come to me and I'm try to

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resolve it, and I was getting
stressed and maybe get big investigations coming up,

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and some people pull out and then
they just they don't turn up or

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they don't they don't put into the
team as well as put in and then

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obviously you need a and I was
always dead pleasant to them. It was

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in the case that you're leaving a
team, you know what I mean.

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It's like have I seen them walking
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them, still get good friendships and
up with them, but it just wasn't

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working. But as bringing the right
folk in, so just the right folk,

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it just it sets the right tone. And and as you says,

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it's it's definitely helped. It's one, it's a smaller group and to the

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fouries are nothing alike. We bring
different things. Wherefore right that we all

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kind of brought the same stuff.
We're all just like investigators and and things

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like that, but we're all just
individually bring our own I think of the

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team, and I think that's that's
what helps. So I definitely it's it's

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definitely improved. And plus the equipment
side of things and that as well,

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and experience, even simple things like
because we've gone so well as well,

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it's you just feel you feel that
more relaxed investigating, so you kind of

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you came up with different questions like
at first, I was it was usual

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questions, if you're hear, can
you give us a sign? And things

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like I went to depths like how
I'll ask things like can you can can

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you see us as we are?
Or can you if you get the same

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senses? Is what you did?
Just any of these things that you when

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you really think you're asking, because
it teaches really that one week question just

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to get that amazing response. So
it's just it does help it. I've

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opened up more and that's just the
four of us because how good we go

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on? So yep, I have
to admit and we we've mentioned this before,

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haven't we carry about the fact that
there seems to be like four or

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five questions that we asked spirit and
they must get bored of it. We

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were going to write one hundred questions
to ask spirits like booklet and like you

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said, to get to try and
get out of that groove of just saying

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do you know you're dead? Do
you know what year it is? And

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like you, I mean that was
an interesting question to ask, is like

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do you still have the same senses? And you know? And just something

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a little bit different to the helpfully
if it is like saying intelligent intelligent,

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I don't know whether you would call
it a haunting or intelligent spirit that they

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can e guide with you better and
maybe the responses or do you find the

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responses a little bit better and stronger
with the different questions. It really really

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depends. Really, I'm a strong
believer. Like being in Scotland, there's

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there's slje abandoned places and you've got
the you've got the right to roam as

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well, unless you're asked to leave
the property or whatnot. With us,

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if you go to somewhere that's derelict
and it's open, you can enter unless

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maybe the onner appearances look you need
to leave or whatever. But I'm a

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strong believerer. If you go to
these places like castles and stuff, there's

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been so many people that's been there, not just investigating, but maybe vandals,

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which I think is a big part
that could they could play on the

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paranormal. You could have teams in
there that maybe disrespects spirits that are possibly

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there as well. So if we
go along and I ask the questions,

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it could have definitely affected the investigation. But again, if you've got teams

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that go and they ask the same
questions that we're asking, then they might

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just go out this is boring.
But we've got our own big location and

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it's just does it investigate it,
and once we're in bren we lock ourselves

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in and that is us and some
of the stuff that we've had there is

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honestly it is out of this world. It is it's out of our world.

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Just we've tried so for hours,
trying to the bunk things and stuff

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like that. But in there,
if you ask they type of questions like

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one of the things we ask as
well now through the EVP is can you

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tell us who's on the throne?
Who's them? Being kind of gauge but

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either there maybe passed away or whatever, just things like that, And then

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that's where I started asking if you've
got the same senses? Are things like

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that? Like my mind goes a
har mile and like I was, and

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think if you passed away with starvation, you're always going to be starving.

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Is a thing, you know,
like just mad things, just just things

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like that that you just generally wouldn't
think asking, Yeah, that's interesting,

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so actually it's you're still hungry on
the fter side. On the other side,

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did if you managed to get answered
to that question? No, really

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direct, No, it's big location. It's it's one of the ones as

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well, like those times that we
will go and we'll go all out with

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the equipment. We'll get every bit
of equipment out, whire your rempods,

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your usual stuff, a thousand cap
balls, all that sort of stuff.

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And at first, well, we're
getting some good responses, but then as

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the time was gone, it was
like, are they maybe getting bored to

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the equipment. So with the side
right, we'll go in then just EVP

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and that is it. And then
that's when we come up with the idea

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of asking in depth questions. And
we got some responses to the EVP,

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but we also got a lot of
audio that we had our own ears.

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Now I'm talking you might you're probably
going to think I'm talking absolutely mince when

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I say this. Right, See, i'd see in that location, not

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to see all the time. But
see when you sit in silence, you

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actually here full blown conversations right here, conversations inside the building. The buildings

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massive. It was a time that
we left the library area and we were

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walking into another room and we heard
this wee girl's voice and she said,

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Hi, I'm here right, and
it's only us. It's there, right,

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So we know that they're there.
We believe us that we believe it.

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There was a strong spirit there called
Edward. We've actually captured a proper

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old oak door, original door eighteen
hundreds of the door's been there since and

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it gets held on my hinge and
the only way to unhinde that door is

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to push the door up to this
level so lost in the hingine, then

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take the hinge off. But we've
actually captured that by the hinge getting took

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off the door and then door slamming. So we believe that. But we

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know there's a lot intelligent spirits there. So that's why we're going to at

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the end depth questions because it kind
of went quiet. It's maybe they're both

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or maybe as you said, maybe
just both are the same questions and things

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like that. But that's just I
think that's what it comes with the paranormal.

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But it makes it that'd be a
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right, they went quiet, what
can we try next? Rather than wanting

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the same responses all the time.
Yeah, it sort of keeps you,

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keeps things fresh and innovative, keeps
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saying, to see whether it's a
genuine engagement. It's like you said,

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I now quite a few investigators that
we'll go out to the same location over

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several years, and like you said, the responses they get it's almost like

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they've had a poor relationship with the
spirits that are there, so they're you

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know, like say, each time
they go, it'll be slightly if they're

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slightly different in a little bit fresher, and that they get more more each

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time they go. And it's like
the spirits recognizing do you do you feel

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the spirits in barticular location recognize you
all now? And they're like, oh,

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they're here again. Yep. I'll
give you I'll give you a few

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examples as well. First off,
it's just does it investigate it So it's

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not really there's there's nobody gonning disturbing
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I believe they're building that trust with
us in relationship and stuff with us

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as well with Edward. When I
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year ago and they ran a few
vps and there was a lot it sounded

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like aggressive coming through the VP.
But again I'm a strong believer it could

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just be maybe the spirits just trying
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But as the times went on,
the vps get clearer. So during in

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there, especially there because we're in
the inn, it's it's silence, you

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know, like an abandoned place view
maybe contamination of a husband, buy our

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animals or something like that. So
we tend to leave EVP. So we'll

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leave it and then we'll go outside. I'll get signing a cigarette. So

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at one time we left it,
ten minutes or so, we came back.

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We'll listen to it. So a
year us here they leaving and recorder

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here I was walking away. Hear
the door in the distance shut, and

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that's us leaving silence here us coming
back blah blah blah. But when listening

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back to it, just as we're
leaving them, just as the door shut,

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I'll try what I'll try and find
all us and send you it over

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right, and yeah, Edward,
Edward, they're a week for smoke.

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And it's clear. So again my
mind has gone on a hundred miles an

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hour. I'm sitting thinking, right, if this is somebody calling an Edward,

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they can clearly communicate with each other
because he's notifying Edward that we're away

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outside. I'm alute for a smoke. I've a I've also been called a

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fat bee. Else we've had Honestly, we've had crazy stuff. But just

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as the period was going on,
like as you were saying, there they

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if they start like trusting you and
stuff, definitely, but I think now

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they're kind of why stays And it's
just it's just it's not the case of

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catching them it because that's I don't
want to catch them out in anyway,

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but it's just finding that next level
to see I think can communicate in any

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other way. Because we know we've
had bench he's been moving for K two

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is pushed over, we've had the
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We've heard the big girl's voice,
sees conversations and the others always a strong,

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strong smell of perfume. It's a
certain area and but it's just kind

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of seems that it's just kind of
faded away there. And that's where we're

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thinking, why is it? Because
are just the same questions, seeing the

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same equipment. Is it be the
case that we need to something different?

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And one time I took my chessboard
because we believe it is an older man,

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so I thought I'll take my chessboard. Old men chesse understand it hopefully,

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and we just try we kin experiments
for that, cards, experiments with

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cards, experiments with water, just
different things just to hopefully just engage with

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them that we but they may go
that's interesting, I'll try that, but

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so working process. But it's definitely
interesting and the place is amazing. Do

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you find them? Sorry, Kerry, do you want to? Really?

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I was just gonna it was more
of an observation or a statement than it

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was a question. But I think
in terms of scientific measure, being able

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to have access to a location that
only you have access to, that's it

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helps and supports more from the debunking
aspect when we think about when we investigate

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locations and being able to reduce whether
think is paranormal or whether it's something that

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can be easily explained away. If
you're in a location on the same day,

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at the same time, over a
period of time, then so you

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can debunk things that might be perceived
as paranormal. But equally, as Nattie

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said about developing those relationships with spirits, So with this type of location,

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do you find that you have and
when we look when we look at locations

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that are overly investigated, and I'm
saying this location is so. But when

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we think about when those stories are
being made or they've been developed over of

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a individual that could be there,
the fact that it's over with only one

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investigative team going in rather than a
collection, what kind of how do you

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feel that that has kind of I'm
trying to think of the way that what

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I'm trying to say, but well, I think I'm trying to say is

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is how do you feel that that
has put strengthened your evidence that you've gathered?

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Well, I'm sorry I really complicated
that question. I think I think

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you do. You mean that when
an investigator, when a place is investigated

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in a long time, they develop
a narrative about the spirits that are there,

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and then everyone just makes an assumption
that those are the spirits that are

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there. Whereas if you've got a
place that isn't investigated by a lot of

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people, you can't build a mythos
about it. Therefore, the evidence that

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you're getting is more accurate than what
you've been told before you investigate on a

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normal Does that make sense? Literally, Natalie was my sign language interpretator there

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exactly what I was trying to say. In a roundabout way, my brain

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is not engaged. But it's essentially
what I was trying to say. Thank

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you, Natalie. Yeah, I
mean it's so easy. Yeah, I

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do apologize. I've a completely around
glad. Natalie's got the gist. So

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essentially, yes, cuppy piece what
that he said. Definitely, the fact

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is it's just us they go.
Don't get me wrong. If there's things

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that happen, will always look to
the bunk, like where the door.

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We've stalted this day that happened maybe
about a year and a half ago,

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and it happened twice in the space
of ten minutes. Say it never ever

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happened before that, and stalted this
day. We go there and we always

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open that door and we leave the
hinge on the slightest that we can leave.

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And bear in mind, we're walking
by that door, we're getting in

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and out of that room with the
door is and it's never ever, ever,

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ever done it again. Ever.
We've sat for two hours running about

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that door, asking and forward and
usually whether we believe it saiddled, whether

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he's stubble on or words went,
well, I've showed you that I'm here,

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so I'm not a guinea pig.
I'm not I'm not doing it.

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I'll date when I'm ready type thing. I don't know. But we always

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looked to the bunk but way just
but it's just been us the team.

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I think it's more accurate because if
you go to different locations, whether it's

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all the bandon or whatever, you've
got the creaky floorboards, you've got rubble,

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you might you might walk across a
bit of rubble and it might take

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five minutes by the time it falls, and then you're mat saying, oh,

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it was a spirit. But we
as we we you're very awary of

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the surroundings. We're aware of what
see what certain stair makes a creek car,

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just things like that. We've been
there so long so we know exactly

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the things that possibly could happen through
us, like a floorboarder or if we

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don't open the door properly a certain
door, it will shut eventually. So

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way that as well. But it's
also I'm a believer as well that lookations

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helped us as a team as well
to recognize these things and recognize how each

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other respond to possible parallel activity.
But on the other said that we did

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the bunking. Don't get me wrong, when you had the bunk it.

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You're absolutely gutted. Like when we
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had static cameras set up and stuff, and by hallway David was away.

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I think he was away, maybe
he get his rempod. But then he

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realized that his repod was up the
stairs, so that was fine. So

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we looked back at the footage on
the way home. We see David leaving,

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so mean Liz is not match to
think he's away for the empod.

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And next minute we see this figure
passing. About two minutes later, we're

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like, what is that and David's
like, well, it's not me because

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I'm along that hallway getting their rempod. But then he remembered it was actually

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him. They've been up the stairs. So me and Lizzi is in the

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middle of the road outside my house
about three in the morning, in the

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rain, excited the fact that we've
captured this possible apparition, right, So

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I came up the stairs. Lindsay
and my partner's in our beds sleeping.

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I was that excited. I woke
her up, right. I woke her

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up and I showed us and let
me tell you, she was not happy.

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I could not sleep at night because
as soon as as soon as I

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art like eight nine, I was
like, I'm getting this up because this

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is absolutely amazing. But then the
more that we looked into it, we

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figured out that it was David,
So we were absolutely gutted. But again

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just back to his Natalie mentioned earlier
in the show, just before HEAs and

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because we've bigger relationship leg it's definitely
helped us strengthen. Wherefore we're question everything,

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you know what I mean, and
what the girl that is trying the

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bunk stuff. Wherefore maybe it's big
started it's we were still looked at the

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bunk, but there would probably be
people who would say, oh no,

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it wasn't there, and they would
you couldn't really trust them. They would

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maybe say it wasn't a me that
walked up the stairs, That wasn't the

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me where they did it was me
walked up. So we all get that

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kind of trust together. But with
that, with this spec location, definitely

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it's like as I said, it's
not actually ever since paranormal, but there's

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things the other you just can't explain
it, and if you cannot debunk it

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and you're spending half an hour the
animal try to just debunk I think it's

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just a simple thing. It's happened. Then you're not going to answer for

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it. So it's all information,
isn't it the end of the day.

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It's like you say, you need
to question because this is a problem I

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have. Like with a lot of
skeptics, it's like they question it,

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but they don't accept, they accept
the answer they don't want to hear.

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So it's sort of like, but
if you can keep an open mind when

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you're questioning things and go, Okay, we don't know what that is.

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It's likely paranormal, but it's not
necessarily unequivocally. But at least then you've

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got your open mind and you've tried
your best to sort of question what else

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it could be at the same time, So it keeps your options out and

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it keeps the interest that saying the
sort of like the inquiry, Well,

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it's things like I took I took
my daughter along one night because she was

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dad, can I go and investigate? I went and get aspect when they

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made up the pole shut and all
this sort of stuff, and she was

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wanting to be money investigators. So
I thought, right, I'll take you

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along. That's right, I'll take
you a long, took her along and

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I don't know if it's because she
was there because she's ten. Obviously,

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Ellen and Sho obviously we had a
wee girl. But again, when we're

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reviewing the footage, she was standing
next to me and we heard a wee

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girl's voice and it said Charlie,
Charlie, Charlie. It was like an

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English accent, and it was weird. But when you hear things like that

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with your own ears, and especially
if if the fouriers and the team respond

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at the same time, if you
hear something like a voice or something's been

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moved, or there's a lot of
whistling, you get in that location,

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and if you hear it at the
same time, then you're like, your

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mind's blown because we know it's just
us. It's in there. It's just

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us. There is nobody else,
unless every time you win there's somebody hiding.

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I don't know, but it's just
us in there. Once we go

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in, the code goes in,
we go in, and then the code

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goes in again and it sets alarms. And that is that it's just us

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in the whistling you get. Wherefore, if you are await another location again,

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abandoned there or whatever, and you
maybe get you here whistling, you're

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automatically going to think, well,
there's there's somebody here, there's somebody that's

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turned up. Well, a group
of people's turned up, part the young

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team, as we'll say, there's
somebody here, maybe somebody whistling and a

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dog. But in there you should
not be getting shouldn't if there's no such

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thing as paranormal should not be getting
these things nothing. That's an interesting thought.

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Actually, Yeah, just like to
say, if you've got an empty

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building, you don't really have anything
that could mimic whistling in ways, usually

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if it's a large building, so
presumably from what you've said, it's like

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the chances of having like outside noises
coming in anyway, or a lot smaller

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if you if you're in the middle
of the building. It's like it was

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00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:18,640
originally it was built for World War
One as a hospital, and then used

406
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,079
as World War two for and then
I think it was a maternity hospital at

407
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:27,039
some point, and now it's just
like a big it's a it's a big

408
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:33,000
school choosed as a school now,
but it's still with the original like doors

409
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,400
and rooms and stuff like that.
But there has been there is that when

410
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,880
you go in those dose plaques everywhere, and it's it's it tells you all

411
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,160
the deaths and the focus passed away
in there, and so there's there's definitely

412
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:52,880
been deaths and stuff like that,
and even even maybe the last fifty year

413
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:59,839
there's been recorded deaths in there while
it's been a school. Wow, that's

414
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,160
that's a bit scary, isn't it. It's like it's been in school.

415
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,799
There's a lot of story run,
a lot of so good as a good

416
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:17,559
and as I said, that's that's
definitely helped us that team. Do you

417
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,799
have anything to say, Kerry,
I'm absorbing it all I'm taking and I've

418
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880
learned in the last huh sorry,
should you well done? Because I keep

419
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,519
talking no, no, no,
no, I'm I've learned in the last

420
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,440
twenty minutes that my brain is not
as engaged as as I was hoping it

421
00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:37,759
was going to be. So I'm
thinking about what you're saying, and I

422
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,799
think it's really interesting the experiences that
you've had as a paranormal team. It

423
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:45,720
sounds like it's brought you from strength
to strength as well, not only as

424
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,119
a team, but the evidence and
experiences locations that you're having access to.

425
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,720
If there was a place that you
could go back to, or a location

426
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,720
where you've got evidence where you would
love to go back and you haven't had

427
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:05,319
a chance to go and revisit,
where would it be. Oh, that's

428
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:13,039
a good one. That's a good
one either Yester Castle, which is just

429
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240
at the Bordles. It's known as
Goblin Ha. It's got a really good

430
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,640
backstory there that was really really interesting. Or I would return back to Lept

431
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Castle in Dublin oow doubly seen before
then, because that's sposed to be quite

432
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,319
active, isn't it that one we
get asked to go over our way?

433
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,759
Oh? Man, I forgot the
name. I forgot the names. You

434
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:45,200
know that, and I woul actually
speak to Rosemary Aladay Puck a paranormal.

435
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,480
They invited it over, so we
went and it's Sean. It's an interesting

436
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:57,240
story as well because Sean bought it
for I think back back then maybe thirty

437
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:01,240
year ago, for a year ago, for like ten thousand euro But as

438
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,200
the times went, he's been building
it. But you need to obviously build

439
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,279
it back up in the original way. But when you go in, it's

440
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:12,680
got a hundred of be relics and
stuff like that, but he just gaves

441
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,440
you the free run of the place
and you stay there at night and then

442
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,720
you wake up to the best part
of all, a boofy breakfast, which

443
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:27,000
is always good. But really it
was a shame as well because we get

444
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,079
the boat over. There was a
long day that day, and then we're

445
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,799
investigating that night the following night,
so we're all absolutely shattered. So I

446
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,319
think we're off sleeping for about two
o'clock in the morning, which was a

447
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,400
shame, but we were absolutely knackered, but it was interesting. We get

448
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,079
some good stuff for that as well. We get again. I'll send you

449
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:49,200
a CVP. This is the best
EVP that we have captured and it's it's

450
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:55,880
unbelievable and it's in an Irish accent. So we've done a silent EVP or

451
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,920
something there. That's fine. Listen
back. We get some stuffing through David

452
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,440
clear Darton what the magic as he
does, and we heard and this is

453
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,760
my Irish accent right, So it
was a female voice, but my Irish

454
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:15,119
accent is horrendous, but I'll give
it a goat and it said right,

455
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:22,199
and my proper names Raymond, so
it said David Raymond, my name lies

456
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,280
in my writing, Say me name
right, And that's how clear it was.

457
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,280
I'll get this and I will show
your mind will be blown. So

458
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,760
we are we are like what Matt
see seeing. I get excited and know

459
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,880
so much spook. But just like
my mind is blowing, my eyes start

460
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,159
watering, right, So if he's
ever their collaboration, you will hear me

461
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:49,760
saying my eyes are watering. So
after that we've returned home and stuff,

462
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,880
done a bit of research. We
don't really tend to do a lot of

463
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,719
research in places because if you go, you've already you know the names,

464
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,519
you're expecting to get their names coming
through and things like that. So we've

465
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,840
done a bit of research. But
back in the middle eighteen eighteen whatever was

466
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,960
eighteen sixty seventy, there was an
actual there was a female poet that stayed

467
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:13,320
there and she was known to put
her name in the castle and that's where

468
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,480
the ev and we believe that that's
where the evp. It was her that

469
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:23,199
said my name lies in my writing. Wow, still being poetic from from

470
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,599
beyond the grave as well, actually, because the way she would that's very

471
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:32,280
poetic. Anyway, we quitted it. We actually we sat forging and were

472
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,800
like, who was that? And
we know that it was when we went

473
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:47,880
with Puck. I think it was
Rosemary John another Jenny Rue, I think

474
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,679
that was it, so Honor there
was four, There was four females,

475
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,559
but the three fort puckap down the
stairs and it was just myself, David,

476
00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,159
Liz and Stephen. It were up
in the main hall and we just

477
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,519
sating down a silent EVP and it
just does there and Liz doesn't speak that

478
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:09,039
an Irish accent and David is dead
stricked to his e VP, so if

479
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,599
you need it as quiet as possible, and he's going to dr six stages,

480
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,199
so it's like super centive. So
if you make an oige, assume

481
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,360
stay and that you have to go. Oh but nobody spoke and then we

482
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,400
listened back to that. We actually
questioned it, but like, is it

483
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,400
anybody in the stairs but you can't
hear them down the stairs And we sat

484
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,480
for ages and why is that so
clear? And we couldn't believe it.

485
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:36,119
But it's the best EVP we've we've
got and I'll send it to you.

486
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Mm hmm. That's it's definitely going
to say it's interesting what you're saying about

487
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,039
the e vps in the accents,
because someone said to me once, oh,

488
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,920
you know, you're just picking up
this, that and the other,

489
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360
and I was like, well,
I've had things come through. When I

490
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,119
had one, I'm in the middle
of England and I had one that had

491
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:57,719
an American accent. It said my
name in an American accent. I was

492
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,559
just like, you know, it's
sound. It's so what's we're striking to

493
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:08,320
actually hear we'd said in an accent. It's sort of it makes it more

494
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:14,199
genuine in a weird kind of way. I think not far from here or

495
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:19,079
sorry, no, iould say that. Not far from where I am.

496
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:24,079
There's the American Air Base Rotham Tower, and there's some interesting a vps that

497
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,599
are caught there. Can sit again
with the accents as well, so it's

498
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:36,199
it's yeah, it is quite notable. It makes it harder to debunk as

499
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,679
well, when you think about some
of the equipment we use when the like,

500
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,800
for example, the spirit box with
the fm AM frequency, but when

501
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,159
you've got something coming through with a
different accent that's not regional to that the

502
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,559
areas as well, it's harder as
well, isn't it to kind of debunk

503
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:58,440
that. Well, we usually get
the speller box with my whole radio antenna

504
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:06,000
does not cup any station. And
when we were there as well, when

505
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,239
we were at left Castle, we're
running this big, massive table, big

506
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,800
dining table. Again. It was
at this point it was just me,

507
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,480
David and Stephen and was actually booked
to she would shed on the driving,

508
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,880
so she booked and there being being
she just left to go there and get

509
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,320
a good sleep. So we're leaving
first thing in the morning, get the

510
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,519
boat back. We'll just meet David
and Stephen in the in the main hall

511
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,679
in the big dining table, or
run the spit of box. You know,

512
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,239
I just can some white noise again. I've got the footage it.

513
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,119
And Stephen you see the shock in
his face and he rubbed his arm.

514
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:43,280
He said, somebody just touched me. So David asks, did you just

515
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,880
touch Stephen? And we get this
week girl's voice it came through and she

516
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:57,800
said and then I shock said,
yes I did, And you're getting some

517
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:05,239
quiet, lengthy pays. They most
like Diavid set up to be honest.

518
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480
See that room as well, we
ended up there was a there was a

519
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,440
couch in that room. There was
and that as well as we separate bit

520
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,400
and there was like a loft type
thing, but it was open. There

521
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,519
was a bed there and then there
was another chair. So we just thought

522
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,840
it we're stay in this room for
the night. But as we went in,

523
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,960
you go in, you open the
door, and there was a big

524
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,960
draw up, so you need to
pull that back and then go in and

525
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,320
then shut the door. So that
was fine. We were away hut the

526
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,239
door. That was It never thought
any And bear in mind, we were

527
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,360
in this room mostly investigation because it
was known really the activity was, and

528
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:50,719
it was if we would go further
up up the stairs or down the stairs,

529
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:52,960
another group would come into that room
and then we would all collaborate in

530
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,719
that room. We're in the big
table, so we're always kind of based

531
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,840
in that room. So we woke
up in the morning, the cutting was

532
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:07,960
shut and then I walked up to
walk and there was a knife. There

533
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,559
was a knife just lying at the
side of it's just near the window,

534
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:15,960
which was maybe from the door,
I'd say about ten foot to the door.

535
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,400
There was a knife sitting there.
And the strange thing is somebody would

536
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,000
have noticed that knife and I'm not
saying that's part or maybe somebody there has

537
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:29,119
placed a knife there. I don't
know, but the knife deaf definitely was

538
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,719
not there because we were we took
pictures of the window. The usually got

539
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,800
there and we took some nice pictures. So we get up on the page

540
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,639
and pictures of us and pictures of
the windows and its side. But you

541
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:38,960
never have us seen that knife.
But we woke up in the morning the

542
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,880
knife was at the window ledge and
the draw cup was shut. And the

543
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,800
only way somebody can shut that draw
cuting is if they were in the room

544
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:50,280
whereas but we would have heard them
coming in because it's a big, heavy

545
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:58,039
wooden door. Wow, that's amazing. That is amazing. So that's one

546
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,639
lo case you did like to go
back to it. The locations you haven't

547
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:12,079
been to that are like boocket list
location maybe maybe last year, the year

548
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,280
before, I would say a good
few places, like one of the ones

549
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,599
would be the Ancient ram In.
But just as as the times went on,

550
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,039
like I watch well, I was
planning to start mound the bunking page

551
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:30,320
up on YouTube channel just the Bunking
People. I watch a guy called beardle

552
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,440
get scared. I don't know if
you've heard them. Should check him out.

553
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,840
He's interesting and I watch him a
lot. But you'll go, like

554
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:43,199
on all these big YouTubers, it's
been the ancient raming and being the hes

555
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,480
driving it the usual places and he
will debunk them. And then that's just

556
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:52,039
put me off it because there's so
many people that go to these places that

557
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,960
that just fake it and it just
but the only way to find it is

558
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,320
to go yourself really to find it. Yeah, to be honest, we've

559
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,400
we've got that. We've got this
big location, and I'll be honest with

560
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,880
you, I'm pretty possitive. A
lot of these locations that you can book

561
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,480
will be neywhere near as active as
what this big location can be. And

562
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,519
it's free a charge, so we
don't really need to go anywhere really.

563
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:23,039
But we started doing public stuff as
well. The reason why we do the

564
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,719
public stuff is like up, you've
got stolen jail and stuff like I've done

565
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,599
still in jail again. It's to
me, it just felt as if they

566
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:35,639
wanted to draw money in. So
we've got the prove and hall coming up

567
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,840
in the Pierce Institute. We've just
done improved baths. It's something if you

568
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,199
ever go back to this big page
away back. You probably see me at

569
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,679
some point on a podcasting. I
would never do public stuff because I'm knowing

570
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,960
it for the money, right.
But the reason the reason why we've started

571
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,800
public stuff is and we don't make
a penny off it, and then is

572
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,840
because we always empty to get people
on the page for our field to commit

573
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,320
and join us. And the last
thing we want is to go to a

574
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,960
location in this person get injured and
if you're in the middle of area,

575
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,719
you're trying to get them back,
you know what I mean, It's the

576
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
last thing. It's a bad experience
for the amstr That's why we've kind of

577
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,039
went to the public road, so
is in there they can come and investigate

578
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:20,440
in a safe environment. Don't you
worry about somebody turning up drunk car or

579
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:28,719
whatever are there to cause bother.
They're in a safe environment. But to

580
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
go somewhere like ancient Ramen or stuff
like that, it would just be basically

581
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,039
be a team investigation within the day
is a public because we would kind of

582
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:42,119
want to experience it first hand ourselves
rather than taking the public alone. Yeah,

583
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,400
that makes sense, doesn't it.
Like you say, with a location

584
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,719
like that, that's like investigated to
death. It's sort of like you know,

585
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,519
with the public, you almost feel
not obligated to give them an experience

586
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:59,920
exactly in in terms of honest but
like you say, you around personal curio,

587
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:04,920
so you can't indulge in the same
way as if it's just your team,

588
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,360
where you can actually sort of lay
down the parameters you want yourself and

589
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,559
then investigate the way you want,
whereas if you've got public with you,

590
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:14,960
it's it's an unknown quantity for a
start, and like you say, the

591
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,199
environment needs to be a little bit
more more predictable I suppose for them in

592
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,480
terms of safety and what you're doing. It can't be quite as serious in

593
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,840
the same way because a lot of
public people that go on public investigations aren't

594
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:36,719
necessarily I don't know what the word
is, not professional investigators, but they're

595
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,159
not as serious necessarily about it.
They're going for the experience rather than the

596
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,639
investigation. But yeah, really,
well, the last one we took,

597
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,039
I think it was the Max will
teach me a bit to be over fifteen

598
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:59,679
because you're the want to go proven
o opational other biggest allocations and the last

599
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:06,519
thing you honest to pack that location
where x amount of people twenty to thirty

600
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,599
people, which which teams teams do, but we may can I keep it

601
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,480
smaller to give them the best experience. Maybe they can get one to one

602
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,960
way beaches are they maybe feel like
they can open up a bit more rather

603
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,840
than feeling they're maybe getting judged,
you know. And it's we've come up

604
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,079
all these different experiments for them to
try, and it's we've always said,

605
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:28,480
we'll say we've always said we'll be
done our first one last month. But

606
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:32,079
even at that we've said something,
Look, this is your night, you

607
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:36,159
know, use you just spend the
money to come, it's sure night,

608
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:42,000
so we can guarantee part of normal. But this is for you, you

609
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,719
know. We're just here to basically
GigE. So if you get any questions,

610
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,320
you'll show the equipment and stuff.
But we just prefer smaller teams.

611
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,079
But if I was to go to
a location, it would be maybe Ancient

612
00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,440
RAM and I wouldn't go to thirty
each drive going maybe Ancient Ram and Are

613
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,760
somewhere like that, but it would
just be the way the team I'd imagine.

614
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,440
Yeah, that makes sense, especially
a place like that. That's that's

615
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:10,280
sound notorious. It's like you'd want
to investigate that propany one of the things

616
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:15,400
as well. When I was watching
the bunk and stuff as it's known,

617
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:20,000
I think there's maybe a pub or
something close by. I don't know if

618
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,519
it's close by, but you'll get
focused that leave the pub over the actually

619
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:28,000
walk by the ancient ramon. There
was a team there that was they said

620
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,719
it was a shadow figure that walked
by the window, but as it was

621
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,199
looked in, there was actually just
people walking by for the pub, but

622
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:45,199
they claimed to be they claimed to
be paran paranormal. It's about one in

623
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,880
the morning that you'll get people want
by drunk or playing music or whatever,

624
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,840
or then they walk by it,
so that's a problem. But there was

625
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,840
a team there that try claim it's
paranormal, you know, a ghost walking

626
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,840
by by speaker playing music, And
I think I think these kind those kind

627
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,719
of teams kind of forget that other
people have been there and then the first

628
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,760
ones to go there, and actually
there is people that do like due diligence

629
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,159
and have a good idea of what's
going on around the area when they start

630
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:19,719
the investigations. So I think it's
kind of it's strange to me that you

631
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,400
have people that kind of do that, And I think the issue is is

632
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:29,039
we are so saturated. When I
first started doing investigations, I was it

633
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,599
was like eleven years ten years ago. It was really norvious. And when

634
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:37,480
you were talking about finding locations where
you haven't got strangers walking by or people

635
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,559
going drunk, I smiled because I
think of all the times I was out

636
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:45,480
in a public on an outdoor investigation, or public one a private one,

637
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,800
and the amount of drunks we'd come
across, or people that used to just

638
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,639
stay in the woods just intense and
yeah, some really kind of And I

639
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,559
used to think, but who would
you think would be more worried about the

640
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,960
others? The people walking around shouting, is anyone there? Can you hear

641
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,280
me? Not twice but yes and
once for no? Are the ones that

642
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,599
are just minding our own business?
And yeah, there's so many. But

643
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:14,800
I think now we're at a stage
where lots of people are doing it,

644
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,239
lots of people are making content,
and I think that is the drive sometimes

645
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,960
And like you said, you know
those big investigations that are bringing in big

646
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,239
money, having investigations that aren't expensive, that are inclusive, that people can

647
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,039
have a go at trying or exploring
it in a more safer environment, but

648
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,800
also getting that experience. I think
there's less of that lately. Like when

649
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,519
you said you have a location that's
free to go to, that's that's I

650
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:45,519
blew my mind because I don't think
I've ever come across a free location in

651
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:51,360
about five years or six years.
And that really is we always you're seeing

652
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,960
it's a chief environment, you know
what I mean. It's three weeks of

653
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,039
wages for what I went to Angeloti
are going to be done. We went

654
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:02,119
your loading cock and this sea is
in the middle of nowhere, right,

655
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,960
it's basically a perfect circle, and
it's the tree line. There's the tree

656
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,400
line right run it's basically covered to
us in the middleland nowhere. No yeah,

657
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,000
up a country road, nothing for
miles. We went there. We're

658
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,960
going to be collaboration with that night's
paranormal and then maybe about two of us

659
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,039
in't there. It's about eleven o'clock
at night. We had this music and

660
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:31,320
I like, what is that?
And but the cosma part of the music

661
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,800
was coming through the cars bo so
I thought maybe it was a cars turn

662
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,639
up and they're playing music. So
I'm away down with the talks, making

663
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,760
sure that the cars were thing turned
out it was two young guys sitting on

664
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:50,280
a bench with music and two dogs
drinking. I say, this is why

665
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,880
we've opted to go to public because
if you can imagine taking two, three,

666
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,039
four or five people for the group
us they wanted to quit with one

667
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:00,360
night and taking them there. Although
there was no harm done that there's still

668
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:07,000
the possibility something could have happened because
we had thousands of pounds of equipment sitting

669
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,000
there. And don't get the wrong
with they probably when they know where it

670
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,199
is, but they could they coul
them in and trash that I took something.

671
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,039
So we opted for the safe option, and that would just to pack

672
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:20,719
up leaves. So if you take
cook it with you for that night to

673
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,719
get them try and get them a
good experience, that's definitely not a good

674
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:29,480
experience, you know what I mean
because fear and the fact that they're packing

675
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,360
up leaving and stuff like that.
We're for kind of opt for the environments

676
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,800
of the public stuff and that just
to kind of give them that safety fact

677
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,639
US was then they can actually get
the full experience in the paranormal. Know

678
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:42,199
and they're say, if they've got
the facilities and they done and stuff like

679
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,960
that. Yeah, and it's easier
for if there's just a group of five

680
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:49,880
of you and you need to just
rethink about the location you're at and move

681
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,480
on somewhere else. It's easier to
navigate those five people than it is to

682
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:59,039
navigate fifteen people when things aren't going
quite as well. I think I often

683
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:04,719
think about there is uh like the
Haunted walks or the haunted Haunted tours.

684
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,719
There's one in Puckly and not Pluckly
sorry Missley, uh the witch find a

685
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,599
general tour, And I always think
to myself, I would love to do

686
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,800
that, but again, you are
kind of that also worries me a little

687
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,559
bit because you're just moving around and
you're in a big group, and it's

688
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:27,360
very if you've been to obviously Missley
is a village and it's very just that

689
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,119
village, so you know, people
will know what you're doing and stuff.

690
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:35,440
But yeah, it is. It
is interesting. I think the most peculiar

691
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,440
experience I've ever had of experiencing someone
else going out during the night for their

692
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:49,480
hobby was night photography, but using
they were using fire and sparks and doing

693
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,519
all these beautiful photography so we just
said bent about half hour talking to each

694
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:55,719
other about what we were doing.
It's really interesting. But yeah, there's

695
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:01,639
also some equally uncomfortable kind of situation. Yeah, definitely, and that's that's

696
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:07,039
an escuate as well. Like I
think a lot of folk if they followed

697
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:13,199
the paranor more or the door and
they kind of see i'll shoo us.

698
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,480
For an example, pickering example,
Like I think a lot of people think

699
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:21,119
you just you turn up at location
and that's it. But a lot of

700
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,679
folk don't take kind of granted that
you've got a fuel money, you've got

701
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
if it's a first time running this
location, you maybe you go and check

702
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:34,000
it first, or you go there, you maybe walking a mile to get

703
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,440
to the location. Then you get
the hazard side that. Then you've got

704
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,239
the chance of somebody turning up or
a group turning up. Then you've get

705
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,639
a chance of being in Scotland the
absolutely torrential rain. So those are the

706
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,760
factors as well rather than just turning
up to look. Don't get those locations

707
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,599
that you can you can drive t
and you're in. That's fine, but

708
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,280
there's the other side of it as
well. You have got a lot of

709
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,840
risks that come with the paranormal,
especially if you're doing abandoned stuff for Derelictor

710
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,800
or whatever, or even I want
to go to Alastair Crowley's house up north

711
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,800
and Burns, but you can't get
into the house because they're reading it back

712
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,920
up to the way it was.
But the graveyard across the road for it,

713
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,920
where he allegedly was trying to bring
the dead back alive and stuff like

714
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,119
that, but they're still the markings
and the gravestones that he put put there

715
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,519
from want to go there, but
asking the middle and over. But then

716
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:35,920
you're sitting thinking if somebody just turns
up, you know, I'll say Alsta

717
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:44,679
Crowley just appears, that would make
a very interesting av pay I know.

718
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:52,920
I know that's as a as the
risk is. Really there's allegedly some haunted

719
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,639
forests and as well there's I think
there's one being south as well, which

720
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:59,639
I can't remember the name it.
It's quite well known. I only heard

721
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:01,679
that he could I watch I used
to watch Exploring the Fighters on YouTube,

722
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:06,880
but they kind of went a bit
Yeah, but it's things like I want

723
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,639
to check it, But then again
it's known for people being there. As

724
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,920
you said, Cary, elier like
folk camping are. Although they might they

725
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,000
might be harmless, but straight away
you've got that contamination. Like we went

726
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:24,320
to Lenox Castle, Alda went asylum
which a two mile walked it uphill by

727
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,159
the way and me being seventeen stone
walking up hills a good idea way equipment.

728
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:35,480
We got there and there was a
couple of kids that were drinking,

729
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,440
so but you could hear the music. So we were waiting till they kind

730
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:43,239
of left before we started investigating,
and the left, so we started investigating

731
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,559
in another group appeared and end up
bumped in this harmless but they had their

732
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:51,679
music playing. But straight away that's
investigation. That's it gone. Because you

733
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,960
could be building that rapport or whatever
with the possible spirit that's there, and

734
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,679
then because they've appeared, that's took
you away through investigation, and that's part

735
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:05,280
of m I was boulding trust for
you, but obviously you're more interested in

736
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,760
speaking to the insult then you just
pack up at that point. I just

737
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:15,840
feel that it does affect investigation.
Yeah, it's a lot more people roaming

738
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,599
around, and you think, actually
in a weird kind of way, it's

739
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:22,280
like you know, you think you're
on you know, there's woods near me

740
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,480
and I used to walk them quite
regularly, and it's like, I find

741
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,960
that it's sort of like you think
you're on your own, but you're actually

742
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:34,360
very rarely are in a weird kind
of way. Like you say, people

743
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,000
just sort of turn up and you
don't expect it because you think I'm in

744
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,599
the middle of nowhere right now,
and it's like you've decided to come out

745
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:44,880
here with your boom box in your
kinds of flag. And yeah, it's

746
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,960
funny where people end up to be
fair. So yeah, it just made

747
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,320
investigating a little bit more complicated.
I will say we've come to the end

748
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:04,400
of our show. It's we're really
end So what I'll ask for that is

749
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,159
I would love to know we've spoken
so much about the evidence that you share

750
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:13,880
the evidence that you captured. I
know that you often share this with people

751
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,639
that are within your group. So
for those that are listening and that those

752
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:22,320
that have been following your stories,
where can they find this evidence? Where

753
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:28,559
can they follow you? Our main
source that we use as Facebook, Scotland's

754
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:37,159
Paranormal Investigations group where all footage.
That's where we were streaming Paranormal Hangover podcast

755
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,960
but we've had to sit up at
actual page because of stream yard that we've

756
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,920
spoken about before we come on.
So we're actually in the middle I setting

757
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:51,360
up the Paranormal Hangover page where it's
we will be chatting a bit investigations.

758
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,880
We usually investigating a Saturday, and
then we'll do the Paranormal Hangover on a

759
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,320
Tuesday. What a discussion. We'll
following as much as we can. We'll

760
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,960
share the footage there and EVPs,
but we'll also post up on our main

761
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,719
page as well, so every every
bad content that we've got is on the

762
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:14,360
page. We also find his own
TikTok and YouTube, but to be fair,

763
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,679
but I'm not really that active on
TikTok or YouTube. It's mainly just

764
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:24,880
Facebook. But everything here from when
we first started and till where well they

765
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,079
know, which is quite funny as
well, because it wasn't that long ago.

766
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,639
I went scrolled all the way through
to the very start, which took

767
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:37,840
me ages to get through the very
first photo ever took to the most recent

768
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,039
one and just just seeing that journey
and just seeing the people that came and

769
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:45,440
went and locations that would never been
there. If you run into the paranormal

770
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,119
the things. That's what is interesting. But you'll find us on Facebook mostly

771
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,840
and if anyone would like to come
along to one of your events, can

772
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,159
I find you there as well?
Can I book through there? They can?

773
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,800
There's the events section on our group
as well. We've actually got an

774
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:09,280
event coming up in the twenty ninth
of June Proving Hall, and then we've

775
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,800
got an other event coming up on
the tenth of August at the Pierce and

776
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,760
Stituat. So there are still tickets
available. So if anybody wants to grab

777
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,559
a wey tickets and come along and
be a parallelm investigative for the night and

778
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,119
work with a legit team, then
you're more than more. So I've used

779
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:32,280
to you know, you can get
to be bust up. That's true.

780
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,039
I'm closed to you and carriers,
i think because Carry's got a bit more

781
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:45,480
of a journey from Essex. But
nevertheless, I'm actually hyping Touchwood Manifesting speaking

782
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:51,239
into action. I'm hoping to be
able to come up to Edinburgh at the

783
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,920
back end of the year. I've
said it at every Christmas time and New

784
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,280
Years for the last two years.
I've messaged you and said this year I'm

785
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,920
going to be coming up Scotland.
I look forward to working with you.

786
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,880
But do you know what this time? I mean it you ever been in

787
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,280
Edinburgh? No, not yet and
it is the weather. Yeah, I

788
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,000
feel like when you walked in you
actually see that the alleys that are still

789
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:20,760
the original Willies and all that sort
of stuff. We're like, is bucking

790
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,800
here and stuff like that, is
that's where they moved the body. It's

791
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,320
a it's a lot, a lot, a lot of history, but a

792
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,119
lot we'll see if you're ever going
to be a tour and goes to it

793
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:37,119
and don't because there's about forty members
of public and it's just it's a good

794
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:38,880
it's good for the history side of
things and hearing it. But there's just

795
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,480
too many people. But it's a
good. It's I'll always say you walk

796
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,320
about, relax and stuff like that. But we'll definitely get a collaboration,

797
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:51,519
so that's not a problem perfect.
I look forward to that. Well,

798
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,159
thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for being able to

799
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:58,559
to save men. And with that, I'm going to say good night.

800
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,079
We'll share all of Rigazy Tails on
the like page, our group, our

801
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:06,400
TikTok, and our instagram, so
you can find lots of ways of being

802
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,519
able to make contact or follow Rigger's
journey and his paranormal team. And with

803
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:10,480
that our SA good night.