Hello and welcome. You are listening to Seventh Sanctum and I am Kerry Ann
and tonight I've been joined with my co host Natalie H. Good after morning,
evening, afternoon, day, night time, if you are, and
everything in between. Yes, time is but a social construct, so yeah,
we're at that level. And today we're being joined with Rigor, who
is the founder. I'm gonna say, oh, Scotland's paranormal investigations group in
Scotland. Obviously, welcome Rigor, thank you for having me on. Kerry,
thank you that Scotland button. No, that's very true. That's really
true. And I all we get we get told a lot that would speak
too quick, so I probably there's parts that you can understand, but I'll
try my best to be fair. I used to work in a hotel and
we had a I can't remember which part of Scotland he came from, but
when he used to come down, he used to get really angry with me
for the first ten minutes because it used to take me ten minutes to click
into his accent. And once I clicked into it, I was fine because
I have a conversation with him and he was like, you've spoken to me
before, why can't you understand me? And it's like, like you say,
it's sort of sometimes it can be quite fast in your brain's like oh
my god, I need to translate it. And then when you click into
the accent, it's like, oh, yeah, I understand. You know,
I've got it now. But yeah, he used to get angry with
me because because I spoke to him quite regularly and I should have understood it
Scotland accent to the Scottish accent straight away. Yeah, so if we have
to repeat ourselves a couple of times and then we'll get it, we'll hang
of it. No offense pod you know, Sean Connery and all. But
just doesn't it work? Yeah? Yeah, I have that. I have
a telephone voice, and then I have my essex. My essex voice comes
through very thick and in the phone gorgeous. Just changes. Yeah, Kerry's
got a proper telephone voice. It's really obvious. As soon as she as
soon as she starts recording, she gets, well it's a podcast voice,
isn't it. Really, it's my missus bouquet. She goes very posh,
Well, welcome, thank you so much for joining us and this evening we're
going to be talking about everything paranormal and that other as well, So I
think it's always a good place to ask. What started your journey here?
How did you end up on seventh Sanctum shouts to night like it's the pinnacle.
Well, I think we've been We've actually been in contact a few times.
I'm sure. I actually think that you come on just as we started
the page, which was February twenty twenty one, I think you actually come
on a podcast. It was called the parapost I think we named it once.
So since I've been back and forward and stuff like that, I think
we all looking to like collaborating and things like that. But my journey started
really when I was eighteen, I would say, and it was just a
typical eighteen year old at partying stuff like that, and one of my close
friends I would always say to him, are you coming at the weekend?
They're like, no, No, I'm busy, I'm busy, I'm busy.
But it turns out that he was actually in a paranormal team, but
he kept it quiet because he was embarrassed. So one thing led to the
other and I found that he was on the team, and I said can
I go one night? And he says no, because you'll just embarrass me,
And I says, no, I'm interested. I've get five sisters,
and one of my sister's always dark and it had like the crystals and stuff
like that. So I've also had that be interested. But the very first
time I went, when I was eighteen, I went into Gordon that ran
the group into his house and there was a wee woman, Margaret. I
can remember her face to this day. She was about seventy back then.
And then she took me into the kitchen. She shut the kitchen door and
she said, does a there's a strong energy about you. Your mum passed
away five year ago, told me how she passed away, told me where
she was buried, told me stuff that needed to knew that I was obviously
I was a wee terror back then, so got up to some stuff that
shouldn't have got up to and she told me all this, and then just
then it blew my mind because I was like, how does she know that?
And I questioned myself, I thought, does she know my sisters?
Does she know my dad? And this is well before social media. So
we went to a place called a d russ and castle that night and I
just had a video camera and she says to it was just me and her
at this point. The rest of the team and that was away and splat
up to different areas and stuff like that, so it just me and also
said there's a shadow in the corner of that castle. So as I pointed
the video camera around, nothing happened. That was fine. After an investigation
went back to Golden's house, but reviewed some of the footage my footage put
up. It got to that part, either Margaret saying or something in the
corner, and just as she says that, there's a ball of light,
maybe a bit the size of the tennis ball, maybe a wee bit bigger,
and it actually came out for the comery of the castle and it hurt
the camera and the camera went all that's static way, But at that point
it never happened there. And then it was when we looked back at the
food. So just at that blew my mind. That was it. That
was me. I was hooked. I was hooked it so and she told
me about my mum and stuff like that, but I was just hooked,
especially when the energy. But I looked into that years ago as well,
and it's a thing that you can get balls energy that can appear. It's
not necessarily its spirit like that, but it just blew my mind. And
then every Friday that was it. I stopped getting it to the pumps and
stuff like that, and that was it. Every Friday I was away investigating
every single Friday. And then it just kind of it just kind of went
through there. Joining another couple of teams, never really worked bought out.
The last team I was in, I think that was maybe twenty sixteen,
and it was just a whole of carry on. It was no professionalism,
there was nothing. They were just doing it to the money side of things.
So I left and then I stopped the paranormal for a while, and
I decided, do you know what I'm gonna I'm going to try and start
start my own team. So starting one team called Scotlan's Paral Investigations Group in
February twenty one, advertised for some investigators. Focus was maybe interested, maybe
somebody would like to do some camera work and things like, get some interests.
Some people joined, some people went, New faces joined, new faces
their faces went. Then finally it's myself, David Liz and Stephen. We've
been together and we're in the team for about a year Liz Stephen. He's
been a team for about a year and a half now, David's been about
two and a half year. So but we're kind of gel, you know,
and well we're kind of bring our own things to the paranormal. You
get David as EVPs, Liz is sensitive, Stephen o'king I deal with a
camera work and that side of things, technology side of things and things like
that. So we kind of kind of gel and which helps as well because
we like to do some private investigations as well. So maybe somebody asks to
go to like out to their homestead, our businesses or whatnot and stuff like
that, and we always get good feedback, which is always good. It's
always nice to hear some good feedback because you know that you're you're doing something
right rather than doing it and just making nonsense up and saying, oh,
we'll need your return. There's times that we've been and evolved his money and
we don't take it and they're actually shocked. They're like, well, you
know, take it. We're like, well, I'm not here for the
money. If we want to investigate in your property, we're probably go up
in the hills, putting the cold in the rain investigating. So we're thankful
for the fact that you've asked us and put your trust in us to come
and try and give you some answers, you know what I mean, just
being legit about it and stuff like that. So that's it's been a good
journey so far. This has been a good journey. And finally I'm on
here, i'ving a chick chat. Do you find did you find like with
the members of your group changing that once you did find that right mix of
people, that your results improved Because at one point, I think in the
team there was seven, there was seventies. So straight away it was just
it was it was too much because you had too much chiefs, you know
what I mean, folk onely agreeing, and there was there was a lot
of bitching behind backs, and it would come to me and I'm try to
resolve it, and I was getting stressed and maybe get big investigations coming up,
and some people pull out and then they just they don't turn up or
they don't they don't put into the team as well as put in and then
obviously you need a and I was always dead pleasant to them. It was
in the case that you're leaving a team, you know what I mean.
It's like have I seen them walking down the street. I would speak to
them, still get good friendships and up with them, but it just wasn't
working. But as bringing the right folk in, so just the right folk,
it just it sets the right tone. And and as you says,
it's it's definitely helped. It's one, it's a smaller group and to the
fouries are nothing alike. We bring different things. Wherefore right that we all
kind of brought the same stuff. We're all just like investigators and and things
like that, but we're all just individually bring our own I think of the
team, and I think that's that's what helps. So I definitely it's it's
definitely improved. And plus the equipment side of things and that as well,
and experience, even simple things like because we've gone so well as well,
it's you just feel you feel that more relaxed investigating, so you kind of
you came up with different questions like at first, I was it was usual
questions, if you're hear, can you give us a sign? And things
like I went to depths like how I'll ask things like can you can can
you see us as we are? Or can you if you get the same
senses? Is what you did? Just any of these things that you when
you really think you're asking, because it teaches really that one week question just
to get that amazing response. So it's just it does help it. I've
opened up more and that's just the four of us because how good we go
on? So yep, I have to admit and we we've mentioned this before,
haven't we carry about the fact that there seems to be like four or
five questions that we asked spirit and they must get bored of it. We
were going to write one hundred questions to ask spirits like booklet and like you
said, to get to try and get out of that groove of just saying
do you know you're dead? Do you know what year it is? And
like you, I mean that was an interesting question to ask, is like
do you still have the same senses? And you know? And just something
a little bit different to the helpfully if it is like saying intelligent intelligent,
I don't know whether you would call it a haunting or intelligent spirit that they
can e guide with you better and maybe the responses or do you find the
responses a little bit better and stronger with the different questions. It really really
depends. Really, I'm a strong believer. Like being in Scotland, there's
there's slje abandoned places and you've got the you've got the right to roam as
well, unless you're asked to leave the property or whatnot. With us,
if you go to somewhere that's derelict and it's open, you can enter unless
maybe the onner appearances look you need to leave or whatever. But I'm a
strong believerer. If you go to these places like castles and stuff, there's
been so many people that's been there, not just investigating, but maybe vandals,
which I think is a big part that could they could play on the
paranormal. You could have teams in there that maybe disrespects spirits that are possibly
there as well. So if we go along and I ask the questions,
it could have definitely affected the investigation. But again, if you've got teams
that go and they ask the same questions that we're asking, then they might
just go out this is boring. But we've got our own big location and
it's just does it investigate it, and once we're in bren we lock ourselves
in and that is us and some of the stuff that we've had there is
honestly it is out of this world. It is it's out of our world.
Just we've tried so for hours, trying to the bunk things and stuff
like that. But in there, if you ask they type of questions like
one of the things we ask as well now through the EVP is can you
tell us who's on the throne? Who's them? Being kind of gauge but
either there maybe passed away or whatever, just things like that, And then
that's where I started asking if you've got the same senses? Are things like
that? Like my mind goes a har mile and like I was, and
think if you passed away with starvation, you're always going to be starving.
Is a thing, you know, like just mad things, just just things
like that that you just generally wouldn't think asking, Yeah, that's interesting,
so actually it's you're still hungry on the fter side. On the other side,
did if you managed to get answered to that question? No, really
direct, No, it's big location. It's it's one of the ones as
well, like those times that we will go and we'll go all out with
the equipment. We'll get every bit of equipment out, whire your rempods,
your usual stuff, a thousand cap balls, all that sort of stuff.
And at first, well, we're getting some good responses, but then as
the time was gone, it was like, are they maybe getting bored to
the equipment. So with the side right, we'll go in then just EVP
and that is it. And then that's when we come up with the idea
of asking in depth questions. And we got some responses to the EVP,
but we also got a lot of audio that we had our own ears.
Now I'm talking you might you're probably going to think I'm talking absolutely mince when
I say this. Right, See, i'd see in that location, not
to see all the time. But see when you sit in silence, you
actually here full blown conversations right here, conversations inside the building. The buildings
massive. It was a time that we left the library area and we were
walking into another room and we heard this wee girl's voice and she said,
Hi, I'm here right, and it's only us. It's there, right,
So we know that they're there. We believe us that we believe it.
There was a strong spirit there called Edward. We've actually captured a proper
old oak door, original door eighteen hundreds of the door's been there since and
it gets held on my hinge and the only way to unhinde that door is
to push the door up to this level so lost in the hingine, then
take the hinge off. But we've actually captured that by the hinge getting took
off the door and then door slamming. So we believe that. But we
know there's a lot intelligent spirits there. So that's why we're going to at
the end depth questions because it kind of went quiet. It's maybe they're both
or maybe as you said, maybe just both are the same questions and things
like that. But that's just I think that's what it comes with the paranormal.
But it makes it that'd be a bit more exciting because you think,
right, they went quiet, what can we try next? Rather than wanting
the same responses all the time. Yeah, it sort of keeps you,
keeps things fresh and innovative, keeps your interest as well as there's like you're
saying, to see whether it's a genuine engagement. It's like you said,
I now quite a few investigators that we'll go out to the same location over
several years, and like you said, the responses they get it's almost like
they've had a poor relationship with the spirits that are there, so they're you
know, like say, each time they go, it'll be slightly if they're
slightly different in a little bit fresher, and that they get more more each
time they go. And it's like the spirits recognizing do you do you feel
the spirits in barticular location recognize you all now? And they're like, oh,
they're here again. Yep. I'll give you I'll give you a few
examples as well. First off, it's just does it investigate it So it's
not really there's there's nobody gonning disturbing them. So they're just they're building that.
I believe they're building that trust with us in relationship and stuff with us
as well with Edward. When I first went there was two and a half
year ago and they ran a few vps and there was a lot it sounded
like aggressive coming through the VP. But again I'm a strong believer it could
just be maybe the spirits just trying that hard, but it sounds aggressive.
But as the times went on, the vps get clearer. So during in
there, especially there because we're in the inn, it's it's silence, you
know, like an abandoned place view maybe contamination of a husband, buy our
animals or something like that. So we tend to leave EVP. So we'll
leave it and then we'll go outside. I'll get signing a cigarette. So
at one time we left it, ten minutes or so, we came back.
We'll listen to it. So a year us here they leaving and recorder
here I was walking away. Hear the door in the distance shut, and
that's us leaving silence here us coming back blah blah blah. But when listening
back to it, just as we're leaving them, just as the door shut,
I'll try what I'll try and find all us and send you it over
right, and yeah, Edward, Edward, they're a week for smoke.
And it's clear. So again my mind has gone on a hundred miles an
hour. I'm sitting thinking, right, if this is somebody calling an Edward,
they can clearly communicate with each other because he's notifying Edward that we're away
outside. I'm alute for a smoke. I've a I've also been called a
fat bee. Else we've had Honestly, we've had crazy stuff. But just
as the period was going on, like as you were saying, there they
if they start like trusting you and stuff, definitely, but I think now
they're kind of why stays And it's just it's just it's not the case of
catching them it because that's I don't want to catch them out in anyway,
but it's just finding that next level to see I think can communicate in any
other way. Because we know we've had bench he's been moving for K two
is pushed over, we've had the catballbin roll with the door getting unhinged.
We've heard the big girl's voice, sees conversations and the others always a strong,
strong smell of perfume. It's a certain area and but it's just kind
of seems that it's just kind of faded away there. And that's where we're
thinking, why is it? Because are just the same questions, seeing the
same equipment. Is it be the case that we need to something different?
And one time I took my chessboard because we believe it is an older man,
so I thought I'll take my chessboard. Old men chesse understand it hopefully,
and we just try we kin experiments for that, cards, experiments with
cards, experiments with water, just different things just to hopefully just engage with
them that we but they may go that's interesting, I'll try that, but
so working process. But it's definitely interesting and the place is amazing. Do
you find them? Sorry, Kerry, do you want to? Really?
I was just gonna it was more of an observation or a statement than it
was a question. But I think in terms of scientific measure, being able
to have access to a location that only you have access to, that's it
helps and supports more from the debunking aspect when we think about when we investigate
locations and being able to reduce whether think is paranormal or whether it's something that
can be easily explained away. If you're in a location on the same day,
at the same time, over a period of time, then so you
can debunk things that might be perceived as paranormal. But equally, as Nattie
said about developing those relationships with spirits, So with this type of location,
do you find that you have and when we look when we look at locations
that are overly investigated, and I'm saying this location is so. But when
we think about when those stories are being made or they've been developed over of
a individual that could be there, the fact that it's over with only one
investigative team going in rather than a collection, what kind of how do you
feel that that has kind of I'm trying to think of the way that what
I'm trying to say, but well, I think I'm trying to say is
is how do you feel that that has put strengthened your evidence that you've gathered?
Well, I'm sorry I really complicated that question. I think I think
you do. You mean that when an investigator, when a place is investigated
in a long time, they develop a narrative about the spirits that are there,
and then everyone just makes an assumption that those are the spirits that are
there. Whereas if you've got a place that isn't investigated by a lot of
people, you can't build a mythos about it. Therefore, the evidence that
you're getting is more accurate than what you've been told before you investigate on a
normal Does that make sense? Literally, Natalie was my sign language interpretator there
exactly what I was trying to say. In a roundabout way, my brain
is not engaged. But it's essentially what I was trying to say. Thank
you, Natalie. Yeah, I mean it's so easy. Yeah, I
do apologize. I've a completely around glad. Natalie's got the gist. So
essentially, yes, cuppy piece what that he said. Definitely, the fact
is it's just us they go. Don't get me wrong. If there's things
that happen, will always look to the bunk, like where the door.
We've stalted this day that happened maybe about a year and a half ago,
and it happened twice in the space of ten minutes. Say it never ever
happened before that, and stalted this day. We go there and we always
open that door and we leave the hinge on the slightest that we can leave.
And bear in mind, we're walking by that door, we're getting in
and out of that room with the door is and it's never ever, ever,
ever done it again. Ever. We've sat for two hours running about
that door, asking and forward and usually whether we believe it saiddled, whether
he's stubble on or words went, well, I've showed you that I'm here,
so I'm not a guinea pig. I'm not I'm not doing it.
I'll date when I'm ready type thing. I don't know. But we always
looked to the bunk but way just but it's just been us the team.
I think it's more accurate because if you go to different locations, whether it's
all the bandon or whatever, you've got the creaky floorboards, you've got rubble,
you might you might walk across a bit of rubble and it might take
five minutes by the time it falls, and then you're mat saying, oh,
it was a spirit. But we as we we you're very awary of
the surroundings. We're aware of what see what certain stair makes a creek car,
just things like that. We've been there so long so we know exactly
the things that possibly could happen through us, like a floorboarder or if we
don't open the door properly a certain door, it will shut eventually. So
way that as well. But it's also I'm a believer as well that lookations
helped us as a team as well to recognize these things and recognize how each
other respond to possible parallel activity. But on the other said that we did
the bunking. Don't get me wrong, when you had the bunk it.
You're absolutely gutted. Like when we were there about three months ago, we
had static cameras set up and stuff, and by hallway David was away.
I think he was away, maybe he get his rempod. But then he
realized that his repod was up the stairs, so that was fine. So
we looked back at the footage on the way home. We see David leaving,
so mean Liz is not match to think he's away for the empod.
And next minute we see this figure passing. About two minutes later, we're
like, what is that and David's like, well, it's not me because
I'm along that hallway getting their rempod. But then he remembered it was actually
him. They've been up the stairs. So me and Lizzi is in the
middle of the road outside my house about three in the morning, in the
rain, excited the fact that we've captured this possible apparition, right, So
I came up the stairs. Lindsay and my partner's in our beds sleeping.
I was that excited. I woke her up, right. I woke her
up and I showed us and let me tell you, she was not happy.
I could not sleep at night because as soon as as soon as I
art like eight nine, I was like, I'm getting this up because this
is absolutely amazing. But then the more that we looked into it, we
figured out that it was David, So we were absolutely gutted. But again
just back to his Natalie mentioned earlier in the show, just before HEAs and
because we've bigger relationship leg it's definitely helped us strengthen. Wherefore we're question everything,
you know what I mean, and what the girl that is trying the
bunk stuff. Wherefore maybe it's big started it's we were still looked at the
bunk, but there would probably be people who would say, oh no,
it wasn't there, and they would you couldn't really trust them. They would
maybe say it wasn't a me that walked up the stairs, That wasn't the
me where they did it was me walked up. So we all get that
kind of trust together. But with that, with this spec location, definitely
it's like as I said, it's not actually ever since paranormal, but there's
things the other you just can't explain it, and if you cannot debunk it
and you're spending half an hour the animal try to just debunk I think it's
just a simple thing. It's happened. Then you're not going to answer for
it. So it's all information, isn't it the end of the day.
It's like you say, you need to question because this is a problem I
have. Like with a lot of skeptics, it's like they question it,
but they don't accept, they accept the answer they don't want to hear.
So it's sort of like, but if you can keep an open mind when
you're questioning things and go, Okay, we don't know what that is.
It's likely paranormal, but it's not necessarily unequivocally. But at least then you've
got your open mind and you've tried your best to sort of question what else
it could be at the same time, So it keeps your options out and
it keeps the interest that saying the sort of like the inquiry, Well,
it's things like I took I took my daughter along one night because she was
dad, can I go and investigate? I went and get aspect when they
made up the pole shut and all this sort of stuff, and she was
wanting to be money investigators. So I thought, right, I'll take you
along. That's right, I'll take you a long, took her along and
I don't know if it's because she was there because she's ten. Obviously,
Ellen and Sho obviously we had a wee girl. But again, when we're
reviewing the footage, she was standing next to me and we heard a wee
girl's voice and it said Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. It was like an
English accent, and it was weird. But when you hear things like that
with your own ears, and especially if if the fouriers and the team respond
at the same time, if you hear something like a voice or something's been
moved, or there's a lot of whistling, you get in that location,
and if you hear it at the same time, then you're like, your
mind's blown because we know it's just us. It's in there. It's just
us. There is nobody else, unless every time you win there's somebody hiding.
I don't know, but it's just us in there. Once we go
in, the code goes in, we go in, and then the code
goes in again and it sets alarms. And that is that it's just us
in the whistling you get. Wherefore, if you are await another location again,
abandoned there or whatever, and you maybe get you here whistling, you're
automatically going to think, well, there's there's somebody here, there's somebody that's
turned up. Well, a group of people's turned up, part the young
team, as we'll say, there's somebody here, maybe somebody whistling and a
dog. But in there you should not be getting shouldn't if there's no such
thing as paranormal should not be getting these things nothing. That's an interesting thought.
Actually, Yeah, just like to say, if you've got an empty
building, you don't really have anything that could mimic whistling in ways, usually
if it's a large building, so presumably from what you've said, it's like
the chances of having like outside noises coming in anyway, or a lot smaller
if you if you're in the middle of the building. It's like it was
originally it was built for World War One as a hospital, and then used
as World War two for and then I think it was a maternity hospital at
some point, and now it's just like a big it's a it's a big
school choosed as a school now, but it's still with the original like doors
and rooms and stuff like that. But there has been there is that when
you go in those dose plaques everywhere, and it's it's it tells you all
the deaths and the focus passed away in there, and so there's there's definitely
been deaths and stuff like that, and even even maybe the last fifty year
there's been recorded deaths in there while it's been a school. Wow, that's
that's a bit scary, isn't it. It's like it's been in school.
There's a lot of story run, a lot of so good as a good
and as I said, that's that's definitely helped us that team. Do you
have anything to say, Kerry, I'm absorbing it all I'm taking and I've
learned in the last huh sorry, should you well done? Because I keep
talking no, no, no, no, I'm I've learned in the last
twenty minutes that my brain is not as engaged as as I was hoping it
was going to be. So I'm thinking about what you're saying, and I
think it's really interesting the experiences that you've had as a paranormal team. It
sounds like it's brought you from strength to strength as well, not only as
a team, but the evidence and experiences locations that you're having access to.
If there was a place that you could go back to, or a location
where you've got evidence where you would love to go back and you haven't had
a chance to go and revisit, where would it be. Oh, that's
a good one. That's a good one either Yester Castle, which is just
at the Bordles. It's known as Goblin Ha. It's got a really good
backstory there that was really really interesting. Or I would return back to Lept
Castle in Dublin oow doubly seen before then, because that's sposed to be quite
active, isn't it that one we get asked to go over our way?
Oh? Man, I forgot the name. I forgot the names. You
know that, and I woul actually speak to Rosemary Aladay Puck a paranormal.
They invited it over, so we went and it's Sean. It's an interesting
story as well because Sean bought it for I think back back then maybe thirty
year ago, for a year ago, for like ten thousand euro But as
the times went, he's been building it. But you need to obviously build
it back up in the original way. But when you go in, it's
got a hundred of be relics and stuff like that, but he just gaves
you the free run of the place and you stay there at night and then
you wake up to the best part of all, a boofy breakfast, which
is always good. But really it was a shame as well because we get
the boat over. There was a long day that day, and then we're
investigating that night the following night, so we're all absolutely shattered. So I
think we're off sleeping for about two o'clock in the morning, which was a
shame, but we were absolutely knackered, but it was interesting. We get
some good stuff for that as well. We get again. I'll send you
a CVP. This is the best EVP that we have captured and it's it's
unbelievable and it's in an Irish accent. So we've done a silent EVP or
something there. That's fine. Listen back. We get some stuffing through David
clear Darton what the magic as he does, and we heard and this is
my Irish accent right, So it was a female voice, but my Irish
accent is horrendous, but I'll give it a goat and it said right,
and my proper names Raymond, so it said David Raymond, my name lies
in my writing, Say me name right, And that's how clear it was.
I'll get this and I will show your mind will be blown. So
we are we are like what Matt see seeing. I get excited and know
so much spook. But just like my mind is blowing, my eyes start
watering, right, So if he's ever their collaboration, you will hear me
saying my eyes are watering. So after that we've returned home and stuff,
done a bit of research. We don't really tend to do a lot of
research in places because if you go, you've already you know the names,
you're expecting to get their names coming through and things like that. So we've
done a bit of research. But back in the middle eighteen eighteen whatever was
eighteen sixty seventy, there was an actual there was a female poet that stayed
there and she was known to put her name in the castle and that's where
the ev and we believe that that's where the evp. It was her that
said my name lies in my writing. Wow, still being poetic from from
beyond the grave as well, actually, because the way she would that's very
poetic. Anyway, we quitted it. We actually we sat forging and were
like, who was that? And we know that it was when we went
with Puck. I think it was Rosemary John another Jenny Rue, I think
that was it, so Honor there was four, There was four females,
but the three fort puckap down the stairs and it was just myself, David,
Liz and Stephen. It were up in the main hall and we just
sating down a silent EVP and it just does there and Liz doesn't speak that
an Irish accent and David is dead stricked to his e VP, so if
you need it as quiet as possible, and he's going to dr six stages,
so it's like super centive. So if you make an oige, assume
stay and that you have to go. Oh but nobody spoke and then we
listened back to that. We actually questioned it, but like, is it
anybody in the stairs but you can't hear them down the stairs And we sat
for ages and why is that so clear? And we couldn't believe it.
But it's the best EVP we've we've got and I'll send it to you.
Mm hmm. That's it's definitely going to say it's interesting what you're saying about
the e vps in the accents, because someone said to me once, oh,
you know, you're just picking up this, that and the other,
and I was like, well, I've had things come through. When I
had one, I'm in the middle of England and I had one that had
an American accent. It said my name in an American accent. I was
just like, you know, it's sound. It's so what's we're striking to
actually hear we'd said in an accent. It's sort of it makes it more
genuine in a weird kind of way. I think not far from here or
sorry, no, iould say that. Not far from where I am.
There's the American Air Base Rotham Tower, and there's some interesting a vps that
are caught there. Can sit again with the accents as well, so it's
it's yeah, it is quite notable. It makes it harder to debunk as
well, when you think about some of the equipment we use when the like,
for example, the spirit box with the fm AM frequency, but when
you've got something coming through with a different accent that's not regional to that the
areas as well, it's harder as well, isn't it to kind of debunk
that. Well, we usually get the speller box with my whole radio antenna
does not cup any station. And when we were there as well, when
we were at left Castle, we're running this big, massive table, big
dining table. Again. It was at this point it was just me,
David and Stephen and was actually booked to she would shed on the driving,
so she booked and there being being she just left to go there and get
a good sleep. So we're leaving first thing in the morning, get the
boat back. We'll just meet David and Stephen in the in the main hall
in the big dining table, or run the spit of box. You know,
I just can some white noise again. I've got the footage it.
And Stephen you see the shock in his face and he rubbed his arm.
He said, somebody just touched me. So David asks, did you just
touch Stephen? And we get this week girl's voice it came through and she
said and then I shock said, yes I did, And you're getting some
quiet, lengthy pays. They most like Diavid set up to be honest.
See that room as well, we ended up there was a there was a
couch in that room. There was and that as well as we separate bit
and there was like a loft type thing, but it was open. There
was a bed there and then there was another chair. So we just thought
it we're stay in this room for the night. But as we went in,
you go in, you open the door, and there was a big
draw up, so you need to pull that back and then go in and
then shut the door. So that was fine. We were away hut the
door. That was It never thought any And bear in mind, we were
in this room mostly investigation because it was known really the activity was, and
it was if we would go further up up the stairs or down the stairs,
another group would come into that room and then we would all collaborate in
that room. We're in the big table, so we're always kind of based
in that room. So we woke up in the morning, the cutting was
shut and then I walked up to walk and there was a knife. There
was a knife just lying at the side of it's just near the window,
which was maybe from the door, I'd say about ten foot to the door.
There was a knife sitting there. And the strange thing is somebody would
have noticed that knife and I'm not saying that's part or maybe somebody there has
placed a knife there. I don't know, but the knife deaf definitely was
not there because we were we took pictures of the window. The usually got
there and we took some nice pictures. So we get up on the page
and pictures of us and pictures of the windows and its side. But you
never have us seen that knife. But we woke up in the morning the
knife was at the window ledge and the draw cup was shut. And the
only way somebody can shut that draw cuting is if they were in the room
whereas but we would have heard them coming in because it's a big, heavy
wooden door. Wow, that's amazing. That is amazing. So that's one
lo case you did like to go back to it. The locations you haven't
been to that are like boocket list location maybe maybe last year, the year
before, I would say a good few places, like one of the ones
would be the Ancient ram In. But just as as the times went on,
like I watch well, I was planning to start mound the bunking page
up on YouTube channel just the Bunking People. I watch a guy called beardle
get scared. I don't know if you've heard them. Should check him out.
He's interesting and I watch him a lot. But you'll go, like
on all these big YouTubers, it's been the ancient raming and being the hes
driving it the usual places and he will debunk them. And then that's just
put me off it because there's so many people that go to these places that
that just fake it and it just but the only way to find it is
to go yourself really to find it. Yeah, to be honest, we've
we've got that. We've got this big location, and I'll be honest with
you, I'm pretty possitive. A lot of these locations that you can book
will be neywhere near as active as what this big location can be. And
it's free a charge, so we don't really need to go anywhere really.
But we started doing public stuff as well. The reason why we do the
public stuff is like up, you've got stolen jail and stuff like I've done
still in jail again. It's to me, it just felt as if they
wanted to draw money in. So we've got the prove and hall coming up
in the Pierce Institute. We've just done improved baths. It's something if you
ever go back to this big page away back. You probably see me at
some point on a podcasting. I would never do public stuff because I'm knowing
it for the money, right. But the reason the reason why we've started
public stuff is and we don't make a penny off it, and then is
because we always empty to get people on the page for our field to commit
and join us. And the last thing we want is to go to a
location in this person get injured and if you're in the middle of area,
you're trying to get them back, you know what I mean, It's the
last thing. It's a bad experience for the amstr That's why we've kind of
went to the public road, so is in there they can come and investigate
in a safe environment. Don't you worry about somebody turning up drunk car or
whatever are there to cause bother. They're in a safe environment. But to
go somewhere like ancient Ramen or stuff like that, it would just be basically
be a team investigation within the day is a public because we would kind of
want to experience it first hand ourselves rather than taking the public alone. Yeah,
that makes sense, doesn't it. Like you say, with a location
like that, that's like investigated to death. It's sort of like you know,
with the public, you almost feel not obligated to give them an experience
exactly in in terms of honest but like you say, you around personal curio,
so you can't indulge in the same way as if it's just your team,
where you can actually sort of lay down the parameters you want yourself and
then investigate the way you want, whereas if you've got public with you,
it's it's an unknown quantity for a start, and like you say, the
environment needs to be a little bit more more predictable I suppose for them in
terms of safety and what you're doing. It can't be quite as serious in
the same way because a lot of public people that go on public investigations aren't
necessarily I don't know what the word is, not professional investigators, but they're
not as serious necessarily about it. They're going for the experience rather than the
investigation. But yeah, really, well, the last one we took,
I think it was the Max will teach me a bit to be over fifteen
because you're the want to go proven o opational other biggest allocations and the last
thing you honest to pack that location where x amount of people twenty to thirty
people, which which teams teams do, but we may can I keep it
smaller to give them the best experience. Maybe they can get one to one
way beaches are they maybe feel like they can open up a bit more rather
than feeling they're maybe getting judged, you know. And it's we've come up
all these different experiments for them to try, and it's we've always said,
we'll say we've always said we'll be done our first one last month. But
even at that we've said something, Look, this is your night, you
know, use you just spend the money to come, it's sure night,
so we can guarantee part of normal. But this is for you, you
know. We're just here to basically GigE. So if you get any questions,
you'll show the equipment and stuff. But we just prefer smaller teams.
But if I was to go to a location, it would be maybe Ancient
RAM and I wouldn't go to thirty each drive going maybe Ancient Ram and Are
somewhere like that, but it would just be the way the team I'd imagine.
Yeah, that makes sense, especially a place like that. That's that's
sound notorious. It's like you'd want to investigate that propany one of the things
as well. When I was watching the bunk and stuff as it's known,
I think there's maybe a pub or something close by. I don't know if
it's close by, but you'll get focused that leave the pub over the actually
walk by the ancient ramon. There was a team there that was they said
it was a shadow figure that walked by the window, but as it was
looked in, there was actually just people walking by for the pub, but
they claimed to be they claimed to be paran paranormal. It's about one in
the morning that you'll get people want by drunk or playing music or whatever,
or then they walk by it, so that's a problem. But there was
a team there that try claim it's paranormal, you know, a ghost walking
by by speaker playing music, And I think I think these kind those kind
of teams kind of forget that other people have been there and then the first
ones to go there, and actually there is people that do like due diligence
and have a good idea of what's going on around the area when they start
the investigations. So I think it's kind of it's strange to me that you
have people that kind of do that, And I think the issue is is
we are so saturated. When I first started doing investigations, I was it
was like eleven years ten years ago. It was really norvious. And when
you were talking about finding locations where you haven't got strangers walking by or people
going drunk, I smiled because I think of all the times I was out
in a public on an outdoor investigation, or public one a private one,
and the amount of drunks we'd come across, or people that used to just
stay in the woods just intense and yeah, some really kind of And I
used to think, but who would you think would be more worried about the
others? The people walking around shouting, is anyone there? Can you hear
me? Not twice but yes and once for no? Are the ones that
are just minding our own business? And yeah, there's so many. But
I think now we're at a stage where lots of people are doing it,
lots of people are making content, and I think that is the drive sometimes
And like you said, you know those big investigations that are bringing in big
money, having investigations that aren't expensive, that are inclusive, that people can
have a go at trying or exploring it in a more safer environment, but
also getting that experience. I think there's less of that lately. Like when
you said you have a location that's free to go to, that's that's I
blew my mind because I don't think I've ever come across a free location in
about five years or six years. And that really is we always you're seeing
it's a chief environment, you know what I mean. It's three weeks of
wages for what I went to Angeloti are going to be done. We went
your loading cock and this sea is in the middle of nowhere, right,
it's basically a perfect circle, and it's the tree line. There's the tree
line right run it's basically covered to us in the middleland nowhere. No yeah,
up a country road, nothing for miles. We went there. We're
going to be collaboration with that night's paranormal and then maybe about two of us
in't there. It's about eleven o'clock at night. We had this music and
I like, what is that? And but the cosma part of the music
was coming through the cars bo so I thought maybe it was a cars turn
up and they're playing music. So I'm away down with the talks, making
sure that the cars were thing turned out it was two young guys sitting on
a bench with music and two dogs drinking. I say, this is why
we've opted to go to public because if you can imagine taking two, three,
four or five people for the group us they wanted to quit with one
night and taking them there. Although there was no harm done that there's still
the possibility something could have happened because we had thousands of pounds of equipment sitting
there. And don't get the wrong with they probably when they know where it
is, but they could they coul them in and trash that I took something.
So we opted for the safe option, and that would just to pack
up leaves. So if you take cook it with you for that night to
get them try and get them a good experience, that's definitely not a good
experience, you know what I mean because fear and the fact that they're packing
up leaving and stuff like that. We're for kind of opt for the environments
of the public stuff and that just to kind of give them that safety fact
US was then they can actually get the full experience in the paranormal. Know
and they're say, if they've got the facilities and they done and stuff like
that. Yeah, and it's easier for if there's just a group of five
of you and you need to just rethink about the location you're at and move
on somewhere else. It's easier to navigate those five people than it is to
navigate fifteen people when things aren't going quite as well. I think I often
think about there is uh like the Haunted walks or the haunted Haunted tours.
There's one in Puckly and not Pluckly sorry Missley, uh the witch find a
general tour, And I always think to myself, I would love to do
that, but again, you are kind of that also worries me a little
bit because you're just moving around and you're in a big group, and it's
very if you've been to obviously Missley is a village and it's very just that
village, so you know, people will know what you're doing and stuff.
But yeah, it is. It is interesting. I think the most peculiar
experience I've ever had of experiencing someone else going out during the night for their
hobby was night photography, but using they were using fire and sparks and doing
all these beautiful photography so we just said bent about half hour talking to each
other about what we were doing. It's really interesting. But yeah, there's
also some equally uncomfortable kind of situation. Yeah, definitely, and that's that's
an escuate as well. Like I think a lot of folk if they followed
the paranor more or the door and they kind of see i'll shoo us.
For an example, pickering example, Like I think a lot of people think
you just you turn up at location and that's it. But a lot of
folk don't take kind of granted that you've got a fuel money, you've got
if it's a first time running this location, you maybe you go and check
it first, or you go there, you maybe walking a mile to get
to the location. Then you get the hazard side that. Then you've got
the chance of somebody turning up or a group turning up. Then you've get
a chance of being in Scotland the absolutely torrential rain. So those are the
factors as well rather than just turning up to look. Don't get those locations
that you can you can drive t and you're in. That's fine, but
there's the other side of it as well. You have got a lot of
risks that come with the paranormal, especially if you're doing abandoned stuff for Derelictor
or whatever, or even I want to go to Alastair Crowley's house up north
and Burns, but you can't get into the house because they're reading it back
up to the way it was. But the graveyard across the road for it,
where he allegedly was trying to bring the dead back alive and stuff like
that, but they're still the markings and the gravestones that he put put there
from want to go there, but asking the middle and over. But then
you're sitting thinking if somebody just turns up, you know, I'll say Alsta
Crowley just appears, that would make a very interesting av pay I know.
I know that's as a as the risk is. Really there's allegedly some haunted
forests and as well there's I think there's one being south as well, which
I can't remember the name it. It's quite well known. I only heard
that he could I watch I used to watch Exploring the Fighters on YouTube,
but they kind of went a bit Yeah, but it's things like I want
to check it, But then again it's known for people being there. As
you said, Cary, elier like folk camping are. Although they might they
might be harmless, but straight away you've got that contamination. Like we went
to Lenox Castle, Alda went asylum which a two mile walked it uphill by
the way and me being seventeen stone walking up hills a good idea way equipment.
We got there and there was a couple of kids that were drinking,
so but you could hear the music. So we were waiting till they kind
of left before we started investigating, and the left, so we started investigating
in another group appeared and end up bumped in this harmless but they had their
music playing. But straight away that's investigation. That's it gone. Because you
could be building that rapport or whatever with the possible spirit that's there, and
then because they've appeared, that's took you away through investigation, and that's part
of m I was boulding trust for you, but obviously you're more interested in
speaking to the insult then you just pack up at that point. I just
feel that it does affect investigation. Yeah, it's a lot more people roaming
around, and you think, actually in a weird kind of way, it's
like you know, you think you're on you know, there's woods near me
and I used to walk them quite regularly, and it's like, I find
that it's sort of like you think you're on your own, but you're actually
very rarely are in a weird kind of way. Like you say, people
just sort of turn up and you don't expect it because you think I'm in
the middle of nowhere right now, and it's like you've decided to come out
here with your boom box in your kinds of flag. And yeah, it's
funny where people end up to be fair. So yeah, it just made
investigating a little bit more complicated. I will say we've come to the end
of our show. It's we're really end So what I'll ask for that is
I would love to know we've spoken so much about the evidence that you share
the evidence that you captured. I know that you often share this with people
that are within your group. So for those that are listening and that those
that have been following your stories, where can they find this evidence? Where
can they follow you? Our main source that we use as Facebook, Scotland's
Paranormal Investigations group where all footage. That's where we were streaming Paranormal Hangover podcast
but we've had to sit up at actual page because of stream yard that we've
spoken about before we come on. So we're actually in the middle I setting
up the Paranormal Hangover page where it's we will be chatting a bit investigations.
We usually investigating a Saturday, and then we'll do the Paranormal Hangover on a
Tuesday. What a discussion. We'll following as much as we can. We'll
share the footage there and EVPs, but we'll also post up on our main
page as well, so every every bad content that we've got is on the
page. We also find his own TikTok and YouTube, but to be fair,
but I'm not really that active on TikTok or YouTube. It's mainly just
Facebook. But everything here from when we first started and till where well they
know, which is quite funny as well, because it wasn't that long ago.
I went scrolled all the way through to the very start, which took
me ages to get through the very first photo ever took to the most recent
one and just just seeing that journey and just seeing the people that came and
went and locations that would never been there. If you run into the paranormal
the things. That's what is interesting. But you'll find us on Facebook mostly
and if anyone would like to come along to one of your events, can
I find you there as well? Can I book through there? They can?
There's the events section on our group as well. We've actually got an
event coming up in the twenty ninth of June Proving Hall, and then we've
got an other event coming up on the tenth of August at the Pierce and
Stituat. So there are still tickets available. So if anybody wants to grab
a wey tickets and come along and be a parallelm investigative for the night and
work with a legit team, then you're more than more. So I've used
to you know, you can get to be bust up. That's true.
I'm closed to you and carriers, i think because Carry's got a bit more
of a journey from Essex. But nevertheless, I'm actually hyping Touchwood Manifesting speaking
into action. I'm hoping to be able to come up to Edinburgh at the
back end of the year. I've said it at every Christmas time and New
Years for the last two years. I've messaged you and said this year I'm
going to be coming up Scotland. I look forward to working with you.
But do you know what this time? I mean it you ever been in
Edinburgh? No, not yet and it is the weather. Yeah, I
feel like when you walked in you actually see that the alleys that are still
the original Willies and all that sort of stuff. We're like, is bucking
here and stuff like that, is that's where they moved the body. It's
a it's a lot, a lot, a lot of history, but a
lot we'll see if you're ever going to be a tour and goes to it
and don't because there's about forty members of public and it's just it's a good
it's good for the history side of things and hearing it. But there's just
too many people. But it's a good. It's I'll always say you walk
about, relax and stuff like that. But we'll definitely get a collaboration,
so that's not a problem perfect. I look forward to that. Well,
thank you so much for joining us, and thank you for being able to
to save men. And with that, I'm going to say good night.
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