1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:37,079 Mmm, hello and welcome. I am Carrie, Anne and I. This 2 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,240 is Seventh Sanctum. Thank you for joining us. I'm being joined this evening 3 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:47,399 with Natalie. Hello, Natalie, Hi everyone. Hope everyone's okay this evening 4 00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:52,399 or daytime, whenever you're listening to us, to be fair, yeah, 5 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,520 whenever you're tuning in. This is Seventh Sanctum. I'm carry Anne and tonight 6 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,040 we are being joined with sin Schrader Hill. Thank you so much for joining 7 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,680 us. How are you. I'm wonderful. I'm so excited to be here. 8 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:14,079 I'm so excited. We are looking forward. So there's so much Where 9 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:19,040 do we begin? There is so much We've obviously had a conversations before, 10 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:23,359 we've gone ahead and done the recording, which is fantastic. And you have 11 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:26,200 lots going on in your world, isn't it, From being an author to 12 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,319 doing your own paranoral You've got your own paranormal team. So there's so much 13 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:36,359 that's happening for you. So yeah, what the first place we would normally 14 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:41,519 go when we speak to someone is finding out where their journey began. So 15 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,239 I think that'd be a really good start to start at the beginning. So 16 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,840 how did you find yourself in the world of the paranormal. I was a 17 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:56,879 really weird kid, but I didn't know what was going on, so I 18 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:04,439 didn't actually get get started investigating until twenty thirteen, so I'm really late to 19 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:12,599 the game. Growing up, I had panic attacks, really bad, and 20 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:19,479 later on I found out it was because I was taking on everybody's energy and 21 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,560 had no idea why or what was going on. I had deja vu moments 22 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:30,719 and things like that. But until my dad died in uh right after nine 23 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:34,960 to eleven happened, you know, it was that same month, nothing to 24 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,960 do with New York, but my dad died of a massive heart attack, 25 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:45,520 and I was Daddy's girl, so that was that was hard because he was 26 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:51,800 only sixty eight years old, which to me is young because you know, 27 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:58,560 the older I get, you know, those ages just don't seem so bad, 28 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,400 you know what I'm saying. So when I was little, thirty seemed 29 00:03:01,439 --> 00:03:07,960 old, right, But now eighty is not that old. It's not really 30 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,159 that old. But he was only sixty eight when he died. So I 31 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:20,000 had some investigators come to see if they could find any evidence of him being 32 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,120 in my mom and dad's store. They had an autoparts store. So they 33 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:30,599 came in. Everything had been turned off, so no utilities, and my 34 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:35,960 husband had cleaned everything out, so it was bear. It was just bare 35 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:40,560 bones. And the group came in and the only place their instruments lit up 36 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:46,000 was where my dad's chair sat for thirty years, his office chair. That's 37 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:53,280 the only place anything lit up. And they got two EVPs. One was 38 00:03:53,919 --> 00:04:00,280 someone saying holy mackerel, which nobody in my family ever used. It was 39 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,159 kind of a strange thing. But the other one was from the basement. 40 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:12,439 And the basement was a turkey slaughter house back in the late eighteen hundreds, 41 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:21,720 so they caught turkey's gobbling. Wow, those you know, And so the 42 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:27,199 turkeys they were having bad days if they were in the slaughterhouse, so they 43 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:34,000 weren't. They weren't happy gobbles. So after that I caught the bug. 44 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:41,079 I really wanted to find voices like they found, and I really wanted my 45 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:46,160 own team, but I didn't know how to do that. So they trained 46 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:54,600 me for about a year and then I created Elk Valley Paranormal because everything around 47 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,480 here is Elk Valley, this Elk Valley, you know whatever, And I 48 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:05,800 thought valley paranormal EVP because I was working with the audio, so everything just 49 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:11,920 kind of fell in place. So that's how my group got started, and 50 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:16,439 I brought in people like my co founder is a skeptic, not so much 51 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:24,279 now, but when he first came on, he had never seen anything, 52 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:30,079 so he could really debunk and he's still he can debunk anything and everything that 53 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,480 comes up. He's really good at it. But he now has seen some 54 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:41,839 things since he's been in the group since for ten years, so now he's 55 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:46,800 not as much of a skeptic as he used to be. So anyway, 56 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,600 that's how I got started. That's a really lovely story. And I do 57 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:58,639 want to go back to your co founder. And I used to work with 58 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,160 I say work when I used to do paranormal investigations with someone called Paul Paul 59 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:10,519 Rook if you're listening, and he is a skeptic self proclaimed, and some 60 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:18,759 of his debunking was more outlandish than the paranormal self and I used to amaze 61 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:24,240 me. And I just think, to the extent you're going to to debunk, 62 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:29,920 that means that that seems more unprobable than this just being something that can't 63 00:06:29,959 --> 00:06:38,759 be explained. Yeah, Okay, okay, but it's always fun because they're 64 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:44,480 always challenging as well. It's good to be able to challenge even if you 65 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,120 think yourself, that's that's ridiculous. You cannot come to that conclusion, but 66 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:51,279 it still helps you think outside of the box, isn't it. That's right, 67 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:57,399 that's right. I one story about Sean at the old hospital we have 68 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,360 here in town, close down, and honestly, it's one of the most 69 00:07:01,439 --> 00:07:08,120 haunted places I've ever been in. But we used to lead group tours and 70 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:14,720 one night we were leading one and Sean took three or four people down the 71 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,199 long hallway and we had gone lights out so that hopefully we could see orbs 72 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:27,079 or anything, shadow figures, anything, and there was very little light coming 73 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:32,199 in from the street outside, very little, And so he's walking down this 74 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:40,360 long hallway and he comes to the wall before you turn to go into the 75 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:45,439 operating room, and he's standing there in the shadows right in front of him, 76 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,000 because there's just a little bit of a light coming from behind him. 77 00:07:50,079 --> 00:07:56,399 And so he looks around and says, okay, we're going this way, 78 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,360 but the shadow starts going back and forth just a little bit, and he 79 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:07,079 knows he's not moving, and so he looks and then he looks back. 80 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:13,480 The people that were following him were way back there. They had seen this 81 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:20,199 thing, and we're already scared, and he's going right toward it. And 82 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,160 now it's starting to vibrate back and forth. And then he looked again, 83 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:28,079 and it's vibrating faster, and he had one of those oh no moments, 84 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Oh no, and he said, all of a sudden, he realized, 85 00:08:31,679 --> 00:08:35,480 oh, I'm really seeing something. This is something not me. This is 86 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,639 not me. And he said, all of a sudden, the shadow just 87 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:45,840 went through now around the corner, down the hall and into one of the 88 00:08:45,879 --> 00:08:50,799 patient's rooms. So he comes like this back toward everybody, running back as 89 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,840 fast as he can, and he goes, Okay, I saw something. 90 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,120 I saw something. I don't know what it was, but I saw it. 91 00:08:56,159 --> 00:09:01,399 I saw it. Oh he's not some each have a skeptic anymore. 92 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:07,279 Did they scared? Did it scare him? When he actually realized it was 93 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:18,159 not what he thought it was it Instead, he has been scared on a 94 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:24,399 few occasions. And it is hysterical to me because he gets he's he's so 95 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,720 serious normally, you know, Oh no, that's just old wiring. Oh, 96 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:31,919 no, that was a light coming, No, that was the cat 97 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,679 jumped down. Blah blah, you know all this, and then all of 98 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:41,039 a sudden, when something really does happen and you can't explain it, he's 99 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,320 like, oh, I don't know if I can do this anymore. I 100 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:52,960 don't know, and I'm trying. I'm trying not to say any bad words. 101 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,519 I don't know if that's acceptable on here. So I'm trying really hard 102 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,279 not to say any It's okay, But he has he has that old s 103 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:09,480 moment. Oh you know, I think a big thing about that is, 104 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,440 though, when when you have people that might have their their perceptions of what 105 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:20,360 the paranormal could be, when that's challenged, it challenges everything. So it's 106 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,360 a it's not only a big old moment, but it's like, well if 107 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:28,840 that doesn't make sense, then what else doesn't make sense? What else could 108 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,200 that be? And so I think it's a lot more than just that one 109 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:39,960 encounter. It just shakes the foundation of everything they possibly believed in and everything 110 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,000 becomes a little bit too too real, then, doesn't it. And then 111 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:48,519 he's yes, because he would say, oh, maybe when we were at 112 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,200 so and so, that wasn't just you know, the dusk that maybe that 113 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,000 was something. Maybe maybe I did get tapped on the shoulder, Maybe that 114 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,120 wasn't a spider where you know, things like that. So he's seen a 115 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:09,399 lot now over the last ten years. He's seen enough that he knows that 116 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,679 there's something out there we just cannot explain, and which is we don't know 117 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,279 if we ever will. Which is the definition of paranormal. Isn't it just 118 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:28,200 the unexplained, something that hasn't got a logical, rational explanation. So you 119 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,919 say, over the last ten years, I suppose as a team, you've 120 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,000 always seen different things, But what is your opinion about the changes that have 121 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,639 happened in the paranormal world in terms of us as investigators? Now, well, 122 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:48,039 how has that changed for you over the last ten years. I'm still 123 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:54,200 learning, but I know now that the orbs that we were talking about earlier, 124 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Okay, yes, that's a lot of dust, that's some dust, 125 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,039 or that's water or that I had. I had a lady send me a 126 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,960 video U and it's been maybe four or five months ago, and she said, 127 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:15,120 we have got something outside my house and it comes every once in a 128 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,840 while, and I'm gonna I'm gonna send it to you, okay, okay, 129 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,399 that's fine. And she sends me this two video clips and it's from 130 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:31,519 her outdoor security camera. And I looked at it and there are two little 131 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:39,639 tiny bowls of light and there they stay exactly the same space away from each 132 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:45,200 other. It's it's all over the screen, but those two lights never go 133 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,840 far apart or closer together. They stay right there. And after looking at 134 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,919 it, I told her, I said, I I think I can't I 135 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,360 can't tell for sure, but I think it's a drone. And he got 136 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,720 so mad at me. And we don't have drones around here, and I 137 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:11,360 said, there are drones all over the place now. Everybody's got drones around 138 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,679 for some reason or other. Everybody knows somebody that's got a drone now. 139 00:13:16,799 --> 00:13:24,159 And it made her mad that I wouldn't say, oh, no, that's 140 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,720 a ghost, that's a ghost, that those are two eyes that yes, 141 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,679 you are right, those are two eyes right there. They're watching you move, 142 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:39,799 you know, and and you're I have I've had a couple of clients 143 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:46,039 like that, and they really really really wanted to be paranormal, and sometimes 144 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:52,919 it's just not. Yeah, it's like the opposite of skeptical. It's it's 145 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,080 like the opposite belief for exactly the same, isn't it. It's like you 146 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:00,919 didn't have renemal. It's like, well, this isn't reading book. You 147 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:07,960 know. I think they watch all the TV shows and they really want to 148 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:13,600 see that. And you know, a lot of the people that we have 149 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:20,120 gotten I've turned down because they want us to show up and put on a 150 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:24,960 show for them and in forty five minutes tell them all like what it is. 151 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:31,440 We can't we can't do that. That's impossible, that's impossible. So 152 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:41,000 we have several cases where people have been investigating on their own without knowing what 153 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:48,600 to do other than what they've seen on television, and causing you know, 154 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,720 that can cause a lot of problems that could really open up doors that they 155 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:58,240 don't want open. And when you try to tell them, please don't do 156 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,519 that, Please don't don't use the odulous app on your phone, don't use 157 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,840 you know this, don't use do that quick quick questioning in your home. 158 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:16,919 Stop that. Let's let's clear everything out and start talking to them. Maybe 159 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:26,799 they'll either die down part of the punt or leap. But some some are 160 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:35,480 so they like the drama, so they're not going to stop. Yeah, 161 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:37,399 it's an addiction, isn't it? For some people as well? It does. 162 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,559 We've mentioned this before. It's like it does seem to have an addictive 163 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:46,279 quality to it, you know, whether let you say it's from the attention 164 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,480 or or you do get like a bit of a high from dealing with spiritual 165 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,759 stuff, so if there is actually something there, you get a buzz from 166 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,120 it, and it is hard sometimes to disengage from that because it is so 167 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:03,519 I don't never know how to describe it. It is a high of sorts, 168 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:07,840 I guess it is. That is, once you get one answer, 169 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,840 once you get an answer or someone saying yes to a question that you answer, 170 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,279 you want more. Yeah, you know, let me who are you? 171 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,759 Who are you? We don't know, but yes, it can be 172 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:26,600 addictive. You go, if you have people that are sort of like have 173 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,399 had you once them want to keep having you back, and sort of even 174 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,679 though you've you've either debunked it or said, look, you know there's a 175 00:16:33,679 --> 00:16:37,679 limit to what we can do here, or we've got the evidence for you, 176 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:40,320 but we don't really think this is you know, a good thing for 177 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,559 you to keep engaging with If you do, you get many clothes like that, 178 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:49,840 or a couple a couple we have gotten and they want us to come 179 00:16:49,879 --> 00:16:59,360 back. When my team goes out, I usually teach the family or the 180 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:10,480 individual how touge smudge their house. You sage or Florida water, any kind 181 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:15,440 of something to clear out the negativity or even you know, some people, 182 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:22,440 if they live in a really cluttered house with not that it's dirty, that's 183 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:27,039 not what I mean, but just clutter everywhere. Sometimes that causes negative energy 184 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:34,319 and you know you're stressed out and it's like you can't breathe deeply. So 185 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,240 if you could just clear out some of the clutter, that calms everything down. 186 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:48,039 Use lavender or peach is really good too for anxiety, any kind of 187 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,759 oils like that. But I teach them how to do the smudging ritual, 188 00:17:53,680 --> 00:18:02,079 and I give them prayers if they're scared, and tell them how to whitelight 189 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,720 themselves. A lot of times I've given out a meditation that I got from 190 00:18:07,759 --> 00:18:11,519 a friend of mine, Mark Elliott Fultz. He's a psychic that I'm very 191 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:15,880 close to, and he also does the covers and the illustrations of my books. 192 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:22,680 So He's very talented and very knowledgeable, and he sent me a meditation 193 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:32,039 that will reset your aura and clear out the chakras so you can be ready 194 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,079 for any kind of paranormal work. So I've sent that a lot to help 195 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,400 people, and when they call us to come back, I'll say, I 196 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,640 can't do anything other than what I showed you how to do. Did you 197 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:56,359 lose the instructions. I can send those instructions back, but I hardly ever 198 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:00,799 go back to someone's house unless something new is happening. Yeah, yeah, 199 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:06,519 that makes sense. Do you find there's a little bit of controversy sometimes about 200 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:11,519 the smudging? Have you found it to be effective personally? Because I'm a 201 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:17,319 bit two minds about it, because I appreciate that it does definitely clear respace, 202 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,680 but you know, some people seem to think that it doesn't have any 203 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,079 effect on spirits and that, and then other people think that it does. 204 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:27,400 And it's like some people swear by it and some a little more skeptical about 205 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,960 it. I assume it because you recommend the smudging, that you find it 206 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,559 helpful. I do. I do. There's been a couple of spots that 207 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:48,559 had to have more than just the smudging it had to have the cleansing, 208 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:57,279 you know, just different extras for the people to feel better. But I 209 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,400 actually some thing happened on a vacation. Once my husband and I got we 210 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:10,160 went to Helen, Georgia, which is this little mountain town in Georgia that 211 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:18,240 is decorated alpine, a little alpine village, looks like you're in Germany. 212 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:26,519 And we got a cabin that was out in the woods. And as soon 213 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,960 well, you know, we got there and being on vacation, you don't 214 00:20:32,079 --> 00:20:36,599 think about anything but having fun. So we had gone into the cabin, 215 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:41,559 we had gone into town, come back that evening. My husband had already 216 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:45,200 fallen asleep and I woke up and had to go to the bathroom. So 217 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:52,759 I instead of going to the one that was in that area, I went 218 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:57,440 to the opposite end of the cabin. And when I passed the stairwell that 219 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:03,400 went down to the game room that we always get a pool table and you 220 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,839 know, things like that to have fun at a cabin. But when I 221 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,759 passed that stairwell, something came up out of it. I couldn't see it, 222 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:19,680 but I felt it, and it was like the loudest silent scream you 223 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:25,000 know how sometimes if someone is yelling right at you, you can just feel 224 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:29,359 the breath and feel the vibe. That's what it felt like. Came out 225 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,160 of the stairwell like that. And so even though it scared the you know 226 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:41,920 what out of me, calmed down and just walked casually to the bathroom and 227 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,440 closed the door. And as soon as I closed the door, I went, 228 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:49,599 oh, no, when I opened the door, it's gonna be standing 229 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,799 there and I'm stuck here in the bathroom. What am I gonna do? 230 00:21:53,839 --> 00:21:57,119 What am I gonna do? So, you know, calm down, Calm 231 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,680 down, calm down. When I opened the door, nothing was there. 232 00:22:02,079 --> 00:22:06,160 When I passed the stairwell again, it was there. Whatever this thing was. 233 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,599 So the next day when my husband woke up, I said, we've 234 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:17,440 got to go get some sage and he said why he's he is not a 235 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,799 paranormal person. He says, that's your thing, that is your thing. 236 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,880 But he humors me and said, yes, okay, we'll go find it. 237 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:33,960 Finally found a bundle of sage and came back and I told him, 238 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,960 I said, you're going to have to help me, so you just follow 239 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:40,599 along, and I need you to open up all the doors in front of 240 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,920 me as we go through. We're going to do this clockwise, and I 241 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000 need you to say this with me and all this kind of stuff, and 242 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:52,160 he did, even though he doesn't believe that kind of thing. He did 243 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,359 it with me, cleared out the space, had no further problems the rest 244 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:02,200 of the week there, and even he said when he walked back in, 245 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,480 we came out, we finished the smudging, and then came out on the 246 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:12,599 front out the front door, and I smudged him, and then I asked 247 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,240 him to spunch me as we were still chanting. And when we did that, 248 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:22,799 we finished and went back in, and after a couple of minutes inside, 249 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,559 I said, what are you thinking? He said, is it lighter 250 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:34,640 in here now? And I said, I hope so. Yeah, yeah, 251 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,599 so he could even feel it. Did you get anything else for the 252 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:41,839 rest of your time there then? Nor did it, like you say, 253 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:48,039 settled down while you were there. It settled down, And I never knew 254 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,319 what it was. I never, of course, I didn't have my equipment 255 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,400 with me, so I think that would have maybe ramped it up a little 256 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:02,519 bit if I had asked questions. But there was a little a small stream 257 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:10,200 that was down this place was on the side of a mountain, so down 258 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,039 the to the stream of water, and you know, maybe it was something 259 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:21,599 that was just passing through. I don't know, but it did not want 260 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:25,960 as there after, you know, after the smudging, it was okay. 261 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:30,000 Perhaps it was if it's something that was living there. It's like, because 262 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:34,839 you could imagine with holiday homes there's a lot of different energies coming and going, 263 00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,680 like perhaps it was a bit fed up with disruptive energies and it was 264 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,400 like, oh god, not somebody else and it's like, you know, 265 00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,519 me alone, Like say, when she cleared the atmosphere, it's like, 266 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:53,839 oh, I feel all right now, this isn't so bad as Yeah. 267 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,839 I love the idea though, traveling into different holiday homes and being able to 268 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,359 have a look at what's there. I think I like that idea. I 269 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,759 think in terms of when we go into locations we do investigations. We often 270 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,680 go and visit places that are saturated, that have been investigated to the hilt. 271 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Yes, so finding little For example, last year this time last year, 272 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:30,160 I found a holiday home in autumn in the UK and it was called 273 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:38,119 the Old the Chained Oak Tree in Chained Oak Tree and it is stunning. 274 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,400 It was beautiful. It was like a little shepherdteau on a working farm, 275 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:47,319 and the hosts were amazing. But on the on the land was this oak 276 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:53,160 tree that was wrapped in cast iron chains and it was linked to a curse 277 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,400 that was meant to have been put on the Earl of Shropshire. I want 278 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,279 to say, and because he didn't give this lady, I won't call her 279 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:07,640 a witch or anything like that, because the legends say that she was someone 280 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:14,480 who was put a curse on him and said that if he didn't give her 281 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:22,559 this donation, then every time this tree lost a branch, a member of 282 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:27,400 this family would pass away. And not long after that it happened and the 283 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:33,839 old son passed away. So the wife ordered this oak tree to be wrapped 284 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400 in cast iron chained so that it would never happen again. Well, the 285 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,880 tree is still there with the chains hanging from it. And the hosts were 286 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,119 wonderful, people would beautiful home, really accommodating, And I spoke to them 287 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,720 and I said, you know, I've heard about the tree and I would 288 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,680 really love to go and do an investigation on its private land. You can't 289 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,559 get to it otherwise unless you're staying there. Was your mind. If I 290 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,160 go over with some equipment, do you know a little investigation, She's like, 291 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,240 no, that's absolutely fine, go ahead. So I think there are 292 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,039 places that if you do the research you're able to find the owners are quite 293 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:15,880 happy for you to go along and do that. Obviously it's very host dependent, 294 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:21,599 but at the same time, it's finding locations that haven't been saturated with 295 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:26,519 paranormal researchers because and I've had this conversations before, at what point do you 296 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:33,079 investigate? At what point does the investigation of locations stop and then the alleged 297 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,079 haunting begins That's been developed over time because you know, investigators go, oh, 298 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,519 you know this is the Black Monk, And the next one goes in 299 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,680 again this black monk who lived in the monastery up the hill, and then 300 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,880 another one goes in and goes and then he murdered a woman and she's down 301 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,799 the well, and before you know it, you've got a black Monk history 302 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:59,559 that's been developed through investigators and there's no monastery known to man nearby. I 303 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,920 mean we see that with thirty East Drive. Thirtys Drive in the UK has 304 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,759 the Black Monk that's meant to have had a you know, a murder was 305 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,000 meant to have taken place, and this monk was meant to have done it. 306 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:15,519 But there's no monasteries that I'm aware of in the whole area, So 307 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:19,799 it's where does that come from? So it's like where do where does that 308 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,359 end? And the actual investigation of the location for what it actually is begins 309 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,319 and I think finding places like that like holiday homes. Did you did you 310 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,440 find anything with the tree? Oh? I had a really interesting experience like 311 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:42,880 experience there. We actually had communication with a young woman and as the communication 312 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:48,279 carried on, it wasn't linked to the earl or his wife. He wasn't 313 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,000 linked to the woman that was meant to have done the curse. It was 314 00:28:52,039 --> 00:29:00,039 a woman who was pregnant and she had come there to meet someone and they 315 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:08,079 felt he done something to her and she died that night. So from the 316 00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:12,160 interaction that it was very panicked and overwhelming, and we was getting hits from 317 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,319 the k two, We was getting stuff come through the spirit box. And 318 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:21,160 she was there because she wanted to tell him of her pregnancy and she wanted 319 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,440 to and it felt like it was a very dodgy situation, the fact that 320 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,319 she felt pregnant by someone that she shouldn't have been, and yeah, she 321 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:34,200 kind of fell to his hands basically, So it was a really interesting interaction. 322 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,720 The tree itself is absolutely very omnious. The tree. I'll send your 323 00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:44,440 photos. I would love to see it. Yeah, it's very because it's 324 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,680 and again it's on private land. So as you go down into this forest, 325 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,200 which is essentially what it is, you go down, you actually start 326 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:56,079 walking downwards and the sides rise up, so they're in hillcliffs. That's what 327 00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,559 it feels like in the end, so you're quite low down, whereas the 328 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:06,319 the tree's base, you've got a set of very step steep steps into the 329 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,359 hill back that hill wall that takes you up to the tree. So it's 330 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,559 quite high up, so it feels very kind of looming over you and really 331 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,400 kind of stark, dark, big tree with no leaves and these big cast 332 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,440 iron chains hanging off it. It's amazing. Absolutely, I'll send you photos 333 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:33,279 and I'll share it on to seventh Sancsum's pages and I will link the the 334 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,200 B and B because it is a beautiful working farm to stay on. The 335 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,599 hosts are wonderful, so I'll definitely do that. But yeah, it's beautiful, 336 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,000 beautiful place. So finding places like that no matter where you live, 337 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:52,680 is a wind. It is it is, And like you said, the 338 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:57,319 host is the key, whether or not they want you to do anything. 339 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,680 Absolutely, I think I'll lot. Now with all of the shows and the 340 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,759 movies and everything happening, even the alien stuff that's going on now, all 341 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:15,799 this craziness, people are getting more and more interested in wanting to do things 342 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:21,640 on their own. And there are more and more b and b's opening up 343 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:27,640 that say they're haunted, whether or not it's a big haunting or not. 344 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,279 You know, if it's a small haunting and more and more people come, 345 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:38,079 how much bigger is it going to get? Yeah? Yeah, Well, 346 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,160 to be fair, this place did not advertise as a haunted location. I 347 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,359 just happened upon it. However, when you look at the impact that the 348 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:51,839 community would have, they they some people have taken branches from the tree to 349 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,799 grow their own, and they were so yeah, yeah they wouldn't. The 350 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,880 family after that was absolutely petrified with didn't want anyone touching it, going near 351 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,680 it, didn't want it prune. So the community is still kind of very 352 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,519 fearful of that legend and superstition. So but yeah, it all plays a 353 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,519 massive part. But interesting and again, like you said, the hosts, 354 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,559 the hosts are kay. So in terms of looking what is your ideal place 355 00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:27,240 if you was to go, if you could go anywhere, where would it 356 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:35,599 be? And why the pyramids the Egyptian Pyramids, I don't, I don't 357 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,920 know because they're so strange and I want to go inside them and see what, 358 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,160 you know, what kind of energy is in there and uh something like 359 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:54,519 that, or to oh that, what's what's the place the where they have 360 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,960 the terra katta warriors? Is that China? China? You know where they 361 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:10,720 have all those terracotta warriors. That's gotta be a really strange feeling place to 362 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,039 go into this script and see all of this stuff that they took with them 363 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,960 in death. Absolutely, I mean you are in pretty brave. I would 364 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,319 definitely not. I mean Ian Carter taught us a lot when it comes to 365 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:32,160 the Egyptians, and you won't go with me, no. And also fun 366 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,200 fact, you know there's not many mummies left because the Victorians would eat them 367 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:45,039 hud Yeah, not really but yeah, but what's left to eat? Well, 368 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,079 they found it. They found what was left to eat and they ate 369 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:54,200 them. I've not heard that one before. It's like, what is this 370 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,759 like, like the Victorian explorers that were going into the two or just people 371 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:06,599 around in the Victorian times hate them. From understanding, the people in the 372 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,000 Victorian times would eat them. But I will do more research around around the 373 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:15,280 matter and I will let you know exactly, but yeah, the Victorians would 374 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,360 eat But then the Victorians have a lot to answer to to be fair in 375 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,400 terms of what we do now, because even when you look at our research 376 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:28,480 in the paranormal research, the fact the Victorians were like, let's talk to 377 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:30,320 the dead and no one's like, yeah, why not? And here we 378 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,880 are all these years they are. It's a very strange era of history. 379 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,960 I have to admit, the Victorians do have a lot to answer for on 380 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:45,679 many different levels. It's multi facet is multi there is so much going on 381 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,000 there to unpack. But yeah, but then women come into their own as 382 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,639 well. If you think about what was happening for women of them days. 383 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,119 I mean, even so when you look at the mediumship side of things and 384 00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:04,199 how the vic Victorian like parlor trick the mediums, the chance mediums would some 385 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:12,239 people would maybe exaggerate their ability to do what they can do because he put 386 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,840 they put themselves in a position where they could speak to men and be able 387 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,679 to push their agenda of change because of it. So, you know, 388 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,679 we've always been very resourceful, versatile creatures. We make the best of a 389 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:32,519 bad situation. I've learned. That does make a lot of sense. Actually, 390 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:37,280 it's sort of like it would give another wise repressed board housewife in the 391 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,679 victory in times a little bit of more chance to go places, meet people, 392 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480 and something about He's like, I feel like there is a woman in 393 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:53,880 the room. And she says, maybe let women vote. Possibly just just 394 00:35:54,079 --> 00:36:01,000 an idea. And she also says, let the skirts shorter legs can be 395 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:06,920 seen. They're not evil and who puts? Asked Nick in makeup, what 396 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:17,159 make it make sense? Ditch the corset? We want too brave. I 397 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:23,639 think it's a sterling idea. I think they're on tour winner ex Maybe maybe 398 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:31,079 they're onto something, maybe the wrong questions. When we're doing investigations now, 399 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:37,320 we should have to go views are and see what they say. It's like, 400 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,480 how do you how would you like to vote in the afterworld? It's 401 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,360 like, how would you like to be forwards with this. It's like, 402 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,280 what do you need? What's your gen Yeah? What kind of shoes do 403 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,039 you want to wear? Are you wearing heels or are you wearing boots? 404 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,840 What are you wearing? Yeah? And who who? Who do we need 405 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:04,920 to talk to about heels? Because that is statistic and what we choose to 406 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,199 torture ourselves. No, absolutely not. I don't care how good it makes 407 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:15,599 my caft look. Thank you. There is so much, so much, 408 00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:20,639 but we digress, We digress. So if you so you've got the Egyptians 409 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:27,360 and you got the Terra Cotta's soldiers warriors, so in America, So, 410 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,840 I mean, you guys have so much over there in comparison to our little 411 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:37,880 little island, and there's so many different avenues of exploration we don't have. 412 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:40,800 We have big foot over here, but we don't have it in the same 413 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:46,039 context as you guys would. Natty's better better with this conversation than I. 414 00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:51,559 But we do have a big foot here, don't we? Yes? Our 415 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,199 sightings can it? Chase about forty minutes up from me has had a lot 416 00:37:55,199 --> 00:38:00,320 of sightings for bigfoot, and I've seen stuff in the woods near me which 417 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,519 got me interested in in the first place. I'm scared to go in the 418 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,880 woods now. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, it was quite interesting. 419 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,519 So it's like, you know, there are sightings throughout most of Europe 420 00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,039 as well. I think I'm not an expert on it. It's only just 421 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:21,519 I used to be terrified, absolutely terrified of it. So it's only in 422 00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,360 the last what two years, where I've actually been calm enough to actually look 423 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,480 at it a bit more rationally. But but yeah, it's yes, very 424 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000 I'm not sure though, how are you guys all managed to live with all 425 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,920 those woods around you and all the things in them? And you know, 426 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:43,519 last night I was looking because I help. I'm a host on a podcast 427 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:50,840 here too on Sunday nights and on Wednesday evenings, and on Wednesday evenings we 428 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,320 do the paranormal News and we bring up different things, and so I've been 429 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:04,079 bringing up ghost animals and talking about different animal ghosts, like you guys have 430 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:07,639 a bunch of animals over there running rampant, like there's a in Welles. 431 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:14,079 There's a horse that's a phantom horse, and there's a supposedly a black bear 432 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,960 and Tower of London, the Tower of London and you know. So in 433 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:23,320 London they actually was a zoo. It was a zoo. So what would 434 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,480 happen is this is where that story's probably coming from. What would happen is 435 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:37,039 is people from far and wide would donate or gift royalty polar bears, bears, 436 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,159 lions, and essentially they got so overrun. That is how London Zoo 437 00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:46,320 come about. So, yes, there was bears in the tower. In 438 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,199 the Tower of London, there was bears there. There was a polar bear 439 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880 there. I did not know that until my friend Carry told me. But 440 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,679 yeah, so it's correct we did. But now now they live quite comfortably 441 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,000 in a zoo not too far for where he is. So there's always a 442 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,840 grain of truth, isn't it. Yes, in the mist that you find. 443 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,320 I just found out about the oh and I can't think of the pond. 444 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:22,199 There was a ghost chicken over there at some pond. And Sir Francis 445 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,559 Bacon back in the sixteen hundreds, I just told this two weeks ago. 446 00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:35,719 Sir Francis Bacon was riding with the King's physician. It was sixteen twenty six 447 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:44,920 or something, sixteen hundred something, and they were talking about preserving food and 448 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:50,119 it was cold, and so whatever the pond is the name of the pond. 449 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,719 He asked the carriage to stop, and they got a chicken and they 450 00:40:53,800 --> 00:41:00,159 plucked it and gutted it, and he proceeded to say that he thought if 451 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:05,159 you just take the snow and the ice and pack it inside, that it 452 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:08,400 wouldn't let the chicken last longer. So that was the first frozen chicken, 453 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:19,159 and then he died of pneumonia. He couldn't even see how that helped people 454 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,760 preserve food later on, because he died just a couple of days later from 455 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:30,119 pneumonia. But evidently that chicken still haunts the pond area and comes out and 456 00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:35,800 flaps its featherless wings at people, and people have even seen it up until 457 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:45,599 the nineteen seventies. Oh wow, like a boat chicken. Yes, yes, 458 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,239 I think you're gonna have to look that up. That is so, 459 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:59,679 I mean that adds to the terror everyone. Yeah, because you would think, 460 00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:05,400 Sir Francis Bacon he died of pneumonia at that spot, why didn't he 461 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,440 come back, you know, upset that he died from pneumonia. But no, 462 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:15,519 it's the chicken that was upset, because was saying to me the other 463 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:16,480 day. Oh. You know, it's like, why are there are any 464 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,519 people ghosts and not animal ghosts? And I was just like, well, 465 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,599 there are some animal ghosts and the growls that we get on EVPs and things. 466 00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:28,119 I always say, why why aren't they t rexes and things? And 467 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:32,239 he was like, ow, well that's why it's like but you know, 468 00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,079 I was just like, well, you know it could be. But yeah, 469 00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,559 I've got to tell him the ghost chicken. One have to, And 470 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:45,400 I tell you another one about a camel, a ghost camel. This was 471 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:54,480 actually this was actually in the United States back in the eighteen forties to fifties. 472 00:42:54,719 --> 00:43:00,639 It was before the Civil War here, and they thought because of the 473 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:07,039 desert Southwest, camels would do great in the desert because they do they could 474 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:12,760 go farther than horses, they could go longer than horses without water or food, 475 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,280 they could carry more than horses, and things like that. So finally 476 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:23,639 the government allowed a certain amount of money to bring some camels in and they 477 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:30,519 did, and they were used by the military in the southwest United States over 478 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:38,599 in Arizona and that area, and the Civil War broke out and they didn't 479 00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,960 know what to do with the camels. You know that during this time, 480 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,239 you know how people get on horses to ride, and we're so used to 481 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,880 seeing people horseback, but not on camelback. So the soldiers were having to 482 00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,719 learn how to ride camel back. And if you can imagine some people are 483 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,199 afraid of horses, well, this thing was bigger than a horse. That 484 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,239 would be kind of terrifying if you're afraid of things like that. So supposedly, 485 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:21,039 allegedly there was one of the soldiers that was afraid of the camels and 486 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:27,480 he had to ride one because they did. And supposedly he was strapped onto 487 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:34,719 this camel and his buddies smacked the camel on the bum and the camel went 488 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,760 running. They chased it, but the camel was fast and got away. 489 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:51,920 The soldier and the camel were never seen again until when they would this camel. 490 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,079 They didn't know what it was after the war had happened and everything, 491 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:01,519 but this thing would just be wandering around with someone on its back, and 492 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:08,280 some prospectors, a group of prospectors saw this thing, and they had over 493 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:15,079 the last few years called this the red ghost because it would leave little patches 494 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:21,199 of a reddish brown fur around the area that it attacked because it would attack. 495 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:27,079 There was a mad camel, and so the prospector saw this thing at 496 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:31,039 a distance and they saw something drop off of it, and they waited for 497 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:36,599 it to leave, and they were so intrigued that they walked over to where 498 00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:43,440 it had stood and there was a human skull lying on the ground, so 499 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:50,239 a head had fallen off, and they thought back and everything, and it 500 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,480 had to have been a soldier strapped on. Well, the camel was finally 501 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:59,960 killed because it ended up in someone's garden eating the food, and the camel 502 00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:05,519 shot. The leather straps that held the person on were still on the camel. 503 00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:10,159 The body had disintegrated and gone, but the straps were still on the 504 00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:15,960 camel, So that was one camel. But that was really not a ghost. 505 00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:19,960 They just called at the Red Ghost because they couldn't catch the thing. 506 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,760 But in a later story, a prospector struck gold. He had bought two 507 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:32,400 camels from the Civil war time. Because when the Civil War happened they had 508 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,800 to do something with the camels. They just let some go in the desert, 509 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,280 which the Red Ghost was one of the ones they let go, of 510 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:45,800 course, and then they sold the others at auction. Well, farmers could 511 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:52,639 buy the camels, and one man bought three and would take them on his 512 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,800 prospecting trips in Arizona. He struck gold. He was excited, and he 513 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,159 goes back into the ball and is celebrating in the saloon, and they were 514 00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,760 going, you struck gold, Oh my god, that's wonderful. He's got 515 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,719 his camel tied up outside instead of a horse, and he knows he can't 516 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,719 go straight back to the mine he found the gold at because somebody's gonna follow 517 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:23,320 him. He's by himself, so he goes long way around and camps for 518 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:30,519 the night. Someone follows him and kills him because they think he's at his 519 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:37,480 mine. As they kill as he is killing this prospector, his camel attacks 520 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:45,320 the man bites him, and the man is so terrified that he runs into 521 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:50,519 town. He of course shot the camel, so the miner's dead. The 522 00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,559 camel's dead, but he's so terrified that he runs, you know, around. 523 00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,840 Well, he looks and looks for weeks for this gold. It wasn't 524 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,320 at the mine. The miner had not stopped at his claim where he had 525 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:12,280 found the gold, so the guy couldn't find the gold. One night he 526 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,960 was sleeping, trying to sleep, and he wakes up and there is this 527 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,400 camel and the man that he had killed on the camel that he had shot. 528 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:37,199 He was so terrified he ran into town and confessed everything. From what 529 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:43,320 I understand, that camel or the miner were never seen again. They just 530 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:52,119 appeared that one time to the man that had killed him. Oh really said 531 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,880 that is could you imagine like striking gold and like trying to do the right 532 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,920 thing and still still being minted in his put the camel this was It was 533 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,079 so funny to me that the camel attacked the man as he was trying to 534 00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:12,280 kill him, because you know, that man had taken care of the camel 535 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,320 that was like his pet. But the the camel bent the other man, 536 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:20,840 you know, and he was he was attacked. He was the attack camel. 537 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,199 I didn't know if come be protective like that. I was like, 538 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:37,320 yeah, So I'm finding all kinds of animal stories and they're pretty interesting. 539 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:44,519 I actually had a ghost cat myself, So I when my husband and I 540 00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:50,119 got married, I was moving. I had my own cat at my mom's 541 00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:55,760 house, and I didn't want to move her until everything was already here. 542 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,599 That way, she wouldn't be so upset. So we were married. We 543 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,280 were already married, and I'm still moving things over. And one night my 544 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,400 husband had already fallen asleep and I felt my cat jump up on the bed, 545 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,199 turn around, and then lay down by my feet, and I kind 546 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,880 of smiled and went, all, that's so sweet. Belle is going to 547 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,920 sleep on my feet. Wait a minute, Bella is not here yet. 548 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,519 We've got a ghost cat. So I didn't say anything. And a few 549 00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:35,159 nights later we were lying there talking and I felt the ghost cat jump up 550 00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,920 on the bed again, and I said to my husband, did you feel 551 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:45,760 that? He said yes. I said, what was it? I don't 552 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,960 know. Have you felt it before? H huh? And I said were 553 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,239 you going to say anything? Nope? And I said what do you think 554 00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,880 it is? I don't know. Everything was very short, and I said 555 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,239 you weren't gonna say maybe because no one was waiting for you to say something. 556 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,800 I was waiting for you to tell me what it was. I said, 557 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,480 we have a ghost cat. We have a ghost cat. When I 558 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:15,679 actually did move my cat, she was fine. They didn't. I never 559 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,880 saw her looking up or looking around, so they must have gotten along, 560 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,760 Okay, but I don't have her anymore. Bella is still here, but 561 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:34,679 the ghost cat left. You don't think it was Bella astral projecting to you. 562 00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:39,440 You know, there's actually there's actually more to the story. So the 563 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,440 next couple of years after that, so we would fill the ghost cat once 564 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:52,000 in a while, and we went up to Pennsylvania. I live in Tennessee, 565 00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:58,159 which is southern United States, the southern part, and we went up 566 00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:02,280 to Pennsylvania, where my husband was from. We saw his family and then 567 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,880 we're taking a little vacation across the state. So when we got to Pittsburgh, 568 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,400 I got some food poisoning and it was awful. So that sidelined me 569 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,920 for about twenty four hours. And then we got up and we drove through 570 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,280 Dutch Country, which is Lancaster County, and then over to Valley Forge. 571 00:52:25,519 --> 00:52:30,159 And it was a really hot day. It was July. It was very, 572 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:36,360 very hot, and I wasn't feeling great yet. After the food poisoning, 573 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,440 I was okay, but I wasn't feeling great. So anytime there was 574 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,559 air conditioning, like in the visitor center, I would just sit there for 575 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,719 a few minutes. And finally he said we need to go I think and 576 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,159 I said, I think so too. So he went and got the truck 577 00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:55,320 while I was sitting by the air conditioner, and we left and we went 578 00:52:55,400 --> 00:53:01,840 on to Philly, Philadelphia, and we had a great time in Philadelphia. 579 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:07,039 We went to Gettysburg and you know, toured just the tour area, came 580 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:14,760 down through Shenandoah National Park in Virginia and then back into Tennessee. And by 581 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,000 the time you know, we had gotten to Philadelphia, I was feeling fine. 582 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,280 There was nothing wrong. All all the stomach stuff that was all gone. 583 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:30,079 And so we got home and just a few days after we got here 584 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:37,639 and unpacked, I noticed I kept hearing something different. And it wasn't fella. 585 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,760 It wasn't a ghost cat. It was different. It was like wrestling, 586 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:50,119 some kind of wrestling. And he went to work and I'm I've got 587 00:53:50,119 --> 00:53:52,480 to find out what this is. Who this is. Somebody's here. It's 588 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:59,360 not threatening, it wasn't wasn't ominous or anything like that. So with a 589 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,840 lot of questions and answers, I got my recorder out, I got just 590 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:09,159 different things out and ask questions. A nurse had attached herself to me when 591 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:16,239 I was feeling sick and I had picked her up around the Valley Forge area 592 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:22,440 and she had come all the way back to Tennessee with me and was just 593 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,119 really sweet, was just really sweet, and she would you could just it 594 00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:31,079 was just a nice atmosphere. After about three months, I got to feeling 595 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:36,199 like she was a little antsy, you know, the energy was kind of 596 00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:38,880 shifting, and I felt like she needed to leave. I felt like she 597 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,039 was ready to leave, and I asked Mark what to do, and he 598 00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:47,599 said, wish her on her way. Just tell her thank you for helping 599 00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:53,760 you, and if she wants to stay, she's welcome to since she's not 600 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,599 hurting anything, or go back if she wants to go, And so I 601 00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:00,239 did. I thanked her so so much. I said, oh, I 602 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,199 was so sick and you helped me feel so much better and I really appreciate 603 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,119 you. But if you want to go back home, I understand. And 604 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,360 within the next twenty four to forty eight hours, the energy shifted again and 605 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:21,519 she was gone. About a week or so later, I realized I hadn't 606 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:27,440 felt the ghost cat. She took the ghost cat with her. Oh wow, 607 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,079 they kind of got along, and I thought that was the sweetest thing 608 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,000 that the ghost cat and her hooked up and I think she took him with 609 00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:40,280 That's a very cat thing as well, isn't it to do? Yeah? 610 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,880 Yeah, I like you. I'm coming with you now. It's yeah, 611 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,559 No, Loie is there with cats? Is there that I got? I 612 00:55:49,639 --> 00:55:54,880 sits where I fix that? But I think we're coming to the end of 613 00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:00,000 our show now. He's been so cool. I would love to know fantastic 614 00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:04,760 stories you sched with us this evening. But for those that want to follow 615 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,559 you have a little well you do. Tell us a bit about your books. 616 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,239 Why people find you? Sure? Cent Trader Hill author, I'm on 617 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:22,239 Facebook. My group Valley Paranormal is also on Facebook. You can find my 618 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:29,920 books on Amazon. I'm self published. So Cent Trader Hill and I have 619 00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:34,000 five books on their One is fiction that Mark and I wrote together. The 620 00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,480 other four are all true stories. They're all short stories, so you can 621 00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:42,840 read one and go do something else and come back and read another one there 622 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,440 are. The first one is mostly from the area that I live in, 623 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:54,719 and the actual the Haunting from Helen Georgia. I told you about the cabin 624 00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:00,840 I wrote that that's in that book. So the first book, some of 625 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,519 the old hospital things like that. The second book is the fiction. The 626 00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:08,480 third book I really wanted to be my first one, but I couldn't figure 627 00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:13,360 out how to do it. It's called They're Speaking Are you listening? My 628 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:20,599 most compelling EVPs? And it is the investigations I have been on that have 629 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:28,000 affected me the most and the EVPs I've gotten from them. So the cool 630 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,079 thing about that book is, as you're reading the book, you can go 631 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:36,719 to Elk Valleyparanormal dot com and go to the evidence section to the little drop 632 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,559 down menu They're Speaking and listen to all of the EVPs that are in the 633 00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:46,199 book. So there's over one hundred in that particular one. The fourth book 634 00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:53,079 is about signs from our loved ones, like deathbed conversations that someone is having 635 00:57:53,239 --> 00:58:01,039 right before they die, near death experiences, family coming back, leaving feathers, 636 00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:07,920 the cardinals that you see, songs that you hear, you sell perfume, 637 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,719 Are there you know anything like that? Any stories like that? And 638 00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:15,960 actually I had one from England sent to me. She sent one about her 639 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,400 grandfather and his cat that both came back to let her know that they were 640 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,800 okay. So that was a cool story. Lots of things going on in 641 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:36,760 that one. I lost my nephew right after I started writing, not too 642 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,159 long after, and so that was hard to get it started again. But 643 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,440 his story is in there as well. He was only nineteen and a half 644 00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,960 when we lost him, so his story is in there, My baby Wyatt. 645 00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:53,280 The last book is Realm with Shadows, true ghost stories, and it's 646 00:58:53,440 --> 00:59:00,400 some of the darker things that I've been investigating and seeing and had to experience 647 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,719 and things like that. And some of the friends that have sent me stories 648 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,280 as well, so I would love to hear get your take on them, 649 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:13,199 what you think about them. And I also am bringing out a sequel to 650 00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:21,559 Signs this spring, probably by May. It's the next one in the sequel, 651 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:25,079 and then in the fall I'll bring out another scary short story book of 652 00:59:25,159 --> 00:59:30,679 true experience. So we'll see what happens. And if anyone wants to show 653 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:35,159 you best stories of you, how can they do that? You can send 654 00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:39,760 it to me on Facebook. You can friend me on Facebook send Trader Hill, 655 00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:44,119 or you can go to my page Cen Trader Hill Author if you want 656 00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:49,719 to just speak to me there, but you can also reach me at Senchrader 657 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,559 Hill author at gmail dot com and I would be happy, happy, happy 658 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,679 to read your stories. If you want for me to put them in a 659 00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:00,599 book, I would be more than happy to. In the Science Book, 660 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:07,519 after each story there is an in memory of So if someone lost their grandmother, 661 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:14,159 then they tell the story and I've got in memory of their grandmother's name 662 01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,440 and her birth and death dates. So it's kind of like a just a 663 01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:24,039 memorial for them. Just to it seems like it was healing to a lot 664 01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:30,920 of people, and that's why the second book is coming out, so hopefully 665 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:37,519 we'll see we'll see what happens in the future. That sounds wonderful. Thank 666 01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:42,519 you so much for sharing, and thank you for joining me in Nattie this 667 01:00:42,599 --> 01:00:46,639 evening. It's been really fun chatting and hearing your journey and really look forward 668 01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:52,159 to seeing your progression and what you're doing next. We'll share everything in our 669 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,599 group and our page as well for anyone that's interested as well. That's follows 670 01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,440 the story and your journey. But yeah, but thank you so much, 671 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,199 thank you so much for having me. I've enjoyed both of you and it's 672 01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:09,719 been wonderful and I just I could hear you, just listen to you talk 673 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:16,159 all day that's very fine. You'll have to come back on and tell us 674 01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,760 a little bit more about VP's and things in your hospital, the hospital that 675 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:29,320 you were investigating. I would love to yeah when whenever you say, I'll 676 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,119 come back on. Perfect this week that happened. Okay, Well, we're 677 01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:37,039 gonna say good night, goodbye, good morning, whatever time you're listening to 678 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,760 us. Now, we're gonna say so well and we'll see you next time.