Mmm, hello and welcome. I am Carrie, Anne and I. This
is Seventh Sanctum. Thank you for joining us. I'm being joined this evening
with Natalie. Hello, Natalie, Hi everyone. Hope everyone's okay this evening
or daytime, whenever you're listening to us, to be fair, yeah,
whenever you're tuning in. This is Seventh Sanctum. I'm carry Anne and tonight
we are being joined with sin Schrader Hill. Thank you so much for joining
us. How are you. I'm wonderful. I'm so excited to be here.
I'm so excited. We are looking forward. So there's so much Where
do we begin? There is so much We've obviously had a conversations before,
we've gone ahead and done the recording, which is fantastic. And you have
lots going on in your world, isn't it, From being an author to
doing your own paranoral You've got your own paranormal team. So there's so much
that's happening for you. So yeah, what the first place we would normally
go when we speak to someone is finding out where their journey began. So
I think that'd be a really good start to start at the beginning. So
how did you find yourself in the world of the paranormal. I was a
really weird kid, but I didn't know what was going on, so I
didn't actually get get started investigating until twenty thirteen, so I'm really late to
the game. Growing up, I had panic attacks, really bad, and
later on I found out it was because I was taking on everybody's energy and
had no idea why or what was going on. I had deja vu moments
and things like that. But until my dad died in uh right after nine
to eleven happened, you know, it was that same month, nothing to
do with New York, but my dad died of a massive heart attack,
and I was Daddy's girl, so that was that was hard because he was
only sixty eight years old, which to me is young because you know,
the older I get, you know, those ages just don't seem so bad,
you know what I'm saying. So when I was little, thirty seemed
old, right, But now eighty is not that old. It's not really
that old. But he was only sixty eight when he died. So I
had some investigators come to see if they could find any evidence of him being
in my mom and dad's store. They had an autoparts store. So they
came in. Everything had been turned off, so no utilities, and my
husband had cleaned everything out, so it was bear. It was just bare
bones. And the group came in and the only place their instruments lit up
was where my dad's chair sat for thirty years, his office chair. That's
the only place anything lit up. And they got two EVPs. One was
someone saying holy mackerel, which nobody in my family ever used. It was
kind of a strange thing. But the other one was from the basement.
And the basement was a turkey slaughter house back in the late eighteen hundreds,
so they caught turkey's gobbling. Wow, those you know, And so the
turkeys they were having bad days if they were in the slaughterhouse, so they
weren't. They weren't happy gobbles. So after that I caught the bug.
I really wanted to find voices like they found, and I really wanted my
own team, but I didn't know how to do that. So they trained
me for about a year and then I created Elk Valley Paranormal because everything around
here is Elk Valley, this Elk Valley, you know whatever, And I
thought valley paranormal EVP because I was working with the audio, so everything just
kind of fell in place. So that's how my group got started, and
I brought in people like my co founder is a skeptic, not so much
now, but when he first came on, he had never seen anything,
so he could really debunk and he's still he can debunk anything and everything that
comes up. He's really good at it. But he now has seen some
things since he's been in the group since for ten years, so now he's
not as much of a skeptic as he used to be. So anyway,
that's how I got started. That's a really lovely story. And I do
want to go back to your co founder. And I used to work with
I say work when I used to do paranormal investigations with someone called Paul Paul
Rook if you're listening, and he is a skeptic self proclaimed, and some
of his debunking was more outlandish than the paranormal self and I used to amaze
me. And I just think, to the extent you're going to to debunk,
that means that that seems more unprobable than this just being something that can't
be explained. Yeah, Okay, okay, but it's always fun because they're
always challenging as well. It's good to be able to challenge even if you
think yourself, that's that's ridiculous. You cannot come to that conclusion, but
it still helps you think outside of the box, isn't it. That's right,
that's right. I one story about Sean at the old hospital we have
here in town, close down, and honestly, it's one of the most
haunted places I've ever been in. But we used to lead group tours and
one night we were leading one and Sean took three or four people down the
long hallway and we had gone lights out so that hopefully we could see orbs
or anything, shadow figures, anything, and there was very little light coming
in from the street outside, very little, And so he's walking down this
long hallway and he comes to the wall before you turn to go into the
operating room, and he's standing there in the shadows right in front of him,
because there's just a little bit of a light coming from behind him.
And so he looks around and says, okay, we're going this way,
but the shadow starts going back and forth just a little bit, and he
knows he's not moving, and so he looks and then he looks back.
The people that were following him were way back there. They had seen this
thing, and we're already scared, and he's going right toward it. And
now it's starting to vibrate back and forth. And then he looked again,
and it's vibrating faster, and he had one of those oh no moments,
Oh no, and he said, all of a sudden, he realized,
oh, I'm really seeing something. This is something not me. This is
not me. And he said, all of a sudden, the shadow just
went through now around the corner, down the hall and into one of the
patient's rooms. So he comes like this back toward everybody, running back as
fast as he can, and he goes, Okay, I saw something.
I saw something. I don't know what it was, but I saw it.
I saw it. Oh he's not some each have a skeptic anymore.
Did they scared? Did it scare him? When he actually realized it was
not what he thought it was it Instead, he has been scared on a
few occasions. And it is hysterical to me because he gets he's he's so
serious normally, you know, Oh no, that's just old wiring. Oh,
no, that was a light coming, No, that was the cat
jumped down. Blah blah, you know all this, and then all of
a sudden, when something really does happen and you can't explain it, he's
like, oh, I don't know if I can do this anymore. I
don't know, and I'm trying. I'm trying not to say any bad words.
I don't know if that's acceptable on here. So I'm trying really hard
not to say any It's okay, But he has he has that old s
moment. Oh you know, I think a big thing about that is,
though, when when you have people that might have their their perceptions of what
the paranormal could be, when that's challenged, it challenges everything. So it's
a it's not only a big old moment, but it's like, well if
that doesn't make sense, then what else doesn't make sense? What else could
that be? And so I think it's a lot more than just that one
encounter. It just shakes the foundation of everything they possibly believed in and everything
becomes a little bit too too real, then, doesn't it. And then
he's yes, because he would say, oh, maybe when we were at
so and so, that wasn't just you know, the dusk that maybe that
was something. Maybe maybe I did get tapped on the shoulder, Maybe that
wasn't a spider where you know, things like that. So he's seen a
lot now over the last ten years. He's seen enough that he knows that
there's something out there we just cannot explain, and which is we don't know
if we ever will. Which is the definition of paranormal. Isn't it just
the unexplained, something that hasn't got a logical, rational explanation. So you
say, over the last ten years, I suppose as a team, you've
always seen different things, But what is your opinion about the changes that have
happened in the paranormal world in terms of us as investigators? Now, well,
how has that changed for you over the last ten years. I'm still
learning, but I know now that the orbs that we were talking about earlier,
Okay, yes, that's a lot of dust, that's some dust,
or that's water or that I had. I had a lady send me a
video U and it's been maybe four or five months ago, and she said,
we have got something outside my house and it comes every once in a
while, and I'm gonna I'm gonna send it to you, okay, okay,
that's fine. And she sends me this two video clips and it's from
her outdoor security camera. And I looked at it and there are two little
tiny bowls of light and there they stay exactly the same space away from each
other. It's it's all over the screen, but those two lights never go
far apart or closer together. They stay right there. And after looking at
it, I told her, I said, I I think I can't I
can't tell for sure, but I think it's a drone. And he got
so mad at me. And we don't have drones around here, and I
said, there are drones all over the place now. Everybody's got drones around
for some reason or other. Everybody knows somebody that's got a drone now.
And it made her mad that I wouldn't say, oh, no, that's
a ghost, that's a ghost, that those are two eyes that yes,
you are right, those are two eyes right there. They're watching you move,
you know, and and you're I have I've had a couple of clients
like that, and they really really really wanted to be paranormal, and sometimes
it's just not. Yeah, it's like the opposite of skeptical. It's it's
like the opposite belief for exactly the same, isn't it. It's like you
didn't have renemal. It's like, well, this isn't reading book. You
know. I think they watch all the TV shows and they really want to
see that. And you know, a lot of the people that we have
gotten I've turned down because they want us to show up and put on a
show for them and in forty five minutes tell them all like what it is.
We can't we can't do that. That's impossible, that's impossible. So
we have several cases where people have been investigating on their own without knowing what
to do other than what they've seen on television, and causing you know,
that can cause a lot of problems that could really open up doors that they
don't want open. And when you try to tell them, please don't do
that, Please don't don't use the odulous app on your phone, don't use
you know this, don't use do that quick quick questioning in your home.
Stop that. Let's let's clear everything out and start talking to them. Maybe
they'll either die down part of the punt or leap. But some some are
so they like the drama, so they're not going to stop. Yeah,
it's an addiction, isn't it? For some people as well? It does.
We've mentioned this before. It's like it does seem to have an addictive
quality to it, you know, whether let you say it's from the attention
or or you do get like a bit of a high from dealing with spiritual
stuff, so if there is actually something there, you get a buzz from
it, and it is hard sometimes to disengage from that because it is so
I don't never know how to describe it. It is a high of sorts,
I guess it is. That is, once you get one answer,
once you get an answer or someone saying yes to a question that you answer,
you want more. Yeah, you know, let me who are you?
Who are you? We don't know, but yes, it can be
addictive. You go, if you have people that are sort of like have
had you once them want to keep having you back, and sort of even
though you've you've either debunked it or said, look, you know there's a
limit to what we can do here, or we've got the evidence for you,
but we don't really think this is you know, a good thing for
you to keep engaging with If you do, you get many clothes like that,
or a couple a couple we have gotten and they want us to come
back. When my team goes out, I usually teach the family or the
individual how touge smudge their house. You sage or Florida water, any kind
of something to clear out the negativity or even you know, some people,
if they live in a really cluttered house with not that it's dirty, that's
not what I mean, but just clutter everywhere. Sometimes that causes negative energy
and you know you're stressed out and it's like you can't breathe deeply. So
if you could just clear out some of the clutter, that calms everything down.
Use lavender or peach is really good too for anxiety, any kind of
oils like that. But I teach them how to do the smudging ritual,
and I give them prayers if they're scared, and tell them how to whitelight
themselves. A lot of times I've given out a meditation that I got from
a friend of mine, Mark Elliott Fultz. He's a psychic that I'm very
close to, and he also does the covers and the illustrations of my books.
So He's very talented and very knowledgeable, and he sent me a meditation
that will reset your aura and clear out the chakras so you can be ready
for any kind of paranormal work. So I've sent that a lot to help
people, and when they call us to come back, I'll say, I
can't do anything other than what I showed you how to do. Did you
lose the instructions. I can send those instructions back, but I hardly ever
go back to someone's house unless something new is happening. Yeah, yeah,
that makes sense. Do you find there's a little bit of controversy sometimes about
the smudging? Have you found it to be effective personally? Because I'm a
bit two minds about it, because I appreciate that it does definitely clear respace,
but you know, some people seem to think that it doesn't have any
effect on spirits and that, and then other people think that it does.
And it's like some people swear by it and some a little more skeptical about
it. I assume it because you recommend the smudging, that you find it
helpful. I do. I do. There's been a couple of spots that
had to have more than just the smudging it had to have the cleansing,
you know, just different extras for the people to feel better. But I
actually some thing happened on a vacation. Once my husband and I got we
went to Helen, Georgia, which is this little mountain town in Georgia that
is decorated alpine, a little alpine village, looks like you're in Germany.
And we got a cabin that was out in the woods. And as soon
well, you know, we got there and being on vacation, you don't
think about anything but having fun. So we had gone into the cabin,
we had gone into town, come back that evening. My husband had already
fallen asleep and I woke up and had to go to the bathroom. So
I instead of going to the one that was in that area, I went
to the opposite end of the cabin. And when I passed the stairwell that
went down to the game room that we always get a pool table and you
know, things like that to have fun at a cabin. But when I
passed that stairwell, something came up out of it. I couldn't see it,
but I felt it, and it was like the loudest silent scream you
know how sometimes if someone is yelling right at you, you can just feel
the breath and feel the vibe. That's what it felt like. Came out
of the stairwell like that. And so even though it scared the you know
what out of me, calmed down and just walked casually to the bathroom and
closed the door. And as soon as I closed the door, I went,
oh, no, when I opened the door, it's gonna be standing
there and I'm stuck here in the bathroom. What am I gonna do?
What am I gonna do? So, you know, calm down, Calm
down, calm down. When I opened the door, nothing was there.
When I passed the stairwell again, it was there. Whatever this thing was.
So the next day when my husband woke up, I said, we've
got to go get some sage and he said why he's he is not a
paranormal person. He says, that's your thing, that is your thing.
But he humors me and said, yes, okay, we'll go find it.
Finally found a bundle of sage and came back and I told him,
I said, you're going to have to help me, so you just follow
along, and I need you to open up all the doors in front of
me as we go through. We're going to do this clockwise, and I
need you to say this with me and all this kind of stuff, and
he did, even though he doesn't believe that kind of thing. He did
it with me, cleared out the space, had no further problems the rest
of the week there, and even he said when he walked back in,
we came out, we finished the smudging, and then came out on the
front out the front door, and I smudged him, and then I asked
him to spunch me as we were still chanting. And when we did that,
we finished and went back in, and after a couple of minutes inside,
I said, what are you thinking? He said, is it lighter
in here now? And I said, I hope so. Yeah, yeah,
so he could even feel it. Did you get anything else for the
rest of your time there then? Nor did it, like you say,
settled down while you were there. It settled down, And I never knew
what it was. I never, of course, I didn't have my equipment
with me, so I think that would have maybe ramped it up a little
bit if I had asked questions. But there was a little a small stream
that was down this place was on the side of a mountain, so down
the to the stream of water, and you know, maybe it was something
that was just passing through. I don't know, but it did not want
as there after, you know, after the smudging, it was okay.
Perhaps it was if it's something that was living there. It's like, because
you could imagine with holiday homes there's a lot of different energies coming and going,
like perhaps it was a bit fed up with disruptive energies and it was
like, oh god, not somebody else and it's like, you know,
me alone, Like say, when she cleared the atmosphere, it's like,
oh, I feel all right now, this isn't so bad as Yeah.
I love the idea though, traveling into different holiday homes and being able to
have a look at what's there. I think I like that idea. I
think in terms of when we go into locations we do investigations. We often
go and visit places that are saturated, that have been investigated to the hilt.
Yes, so finding little For example, last year this time last year,
I found a holiday home in autumn in the UK and it was called
the Old the Chained Oak Tree in Chained Oak Tree and it is stunning.
It was beautiful. It was like a little shepherdteau on a working farm,
and the hosts were amazing. But on the on the land was this oak
tree that was wrapped in cast iron chains and it was linked to a curse
that was meant to have been put on the Earl of Shropshire. I want
to say, and because he didn't give this lady, I won't call her
a witch or anything like that, because the legends say that she was someone
who was put a curse on him and said that if he didn't give her
this donation, then every time this tree lost a branch, a member of
this family would pass away. And not long after that it happened and the
old son passed away. So the wife ordered this oak tree to be wrapped
in cast iron chained so that it would never happen again. Well, the
tree is still there with the chains hanging from it. And the hosts were
wonderful, people would beautiful home, really accommodating, And I spoke to them
and I said, you know, I've heard about the tree and I would
really love to go and do an investigation on its private land. You can't
get to it otherwise unless you're staying there. Was your mind. If I
go over with some equipment, do you know a little investigation, She's like,
no, that's absolutely fine, go ahead. So I think there are
places that if you do the research you're able to find the owners are quite
happy for you to go along and do that. Obviously it's very host dependent,
but at the same time, it's finding locations that haven't been saturated with
paranormal researchers because and I've had this conversations before, at what point do you
investigate? At what point does the investigation of locations stop and then the alleged
haunting begins That's been developed over time because you know, investigators go, oh,
you know this is the Black Monk, And the next one goes in
again this black monk who lived in the monastery up the hill, and then
another one goes in and goes and then he murdered a woman and she's down
the well, and before you know it, you've got a black Monk history
that's been developed through investigators and there's no monastery known to man nearby. I
mean we see that with thirty East Drive. Thirtys Drive in the UK has
the Black Monk that's meant to have had a you know, a murder was
meant to have taken place, and this monk was meant to have done it.
But there's no monasteries that I'm aware of in the whole area, So
it's where does that come from? So it's like where do where does that
end? And the actual investigation of the location for what it actually is begins
and I think finding places like that like holiday homes. Did you did you
find anything with the tree? Oh? I had a really interesting experience like
experience there. We actually had communication with a young woman and as the communication
carried on, it wasn't linked to the earl or his wife. He wasn't
linked to the woman that was meant to have done the curse. It was
a woman who was pregnant and she had come there to meet someone and they
felt he done something to her and she died that night. So from the
interaction that it was very panicked and overwhelming, and we was getting hits from
the k two, We was getting stuff come through the spirit box. And
she was there because she wanted to tell him of her pregnancy and she wanted
to and it felt like it was a very dodgy situation, the fact that
she felt pregnant by someone that she shouldn't have been, and yeah, she
kind of fell to his hands basically, So it was a really interesting interaction.
The tree itself is absolutely very omnious. The tree. I'll send your
photos. I would love to see it. Yeah, it's very because it's
and again it's on private land. So as you go down into this forest,
which is essentially what it is, you go down, you actually start
walking downwards and the sides rise up, so they're in hillcliffs. That's what
it feels like in the end, so you're quite low down, whereas the
the tree's base, you've got a set of very step steep steps into the
hill back that hill wall that takes you up to the tree. So it's
quite high up, so it feels very kind of looming over you and really
kind of stark, dark, big tree with no leaves and these big cast
iron chains hanging off it. It's amazing. Absolutely, I'll send you photos
and I'll share it on to seventh Sancsum's pages and I will link the the
B and B because it is a beautiful working farm to stay on. The
hosts are wonderful, so I'll definitely do that. But yeah, it's beautiful,
beautiful place. So finding places like that no matter where you live,
is a wind. It is it is, And like you said, the
host is the key, whether or not they want you to do anything.
Absolutely, I think I'll lot. Now with all of the shows and the
movies and everything happening, even the alien stuff that's going on now, all
this craziness, people are getting more and more interested in wanting to do things
on their own. And there are more and more b and b's opening up
that say they're haunted, whether or not it's a big haunting or not.
You know, if it's a small haunting and more and more people come,
how much bigger is it going to get? Yeah? Yeah, Well,
to be fair, this place did not advertise as a haunted location. I
just happened upon it. However, when you look at the impact that the
community would have, they they some people have taken branches from the tree to
grow their own, and they were so yeah, yeah they wouldn't. The
family after that was absolutely petrified with didn't want anyone touching it, going near
it, didn't want it prune. So the community is still kind of very
fearful of that legend and superstition. So but yeah, it all plays a
massive part. But interesting and again, like you said, the hosts,
the hosts are kay. So in terms of looking what is your ideal place
if you was to go, if you could go anywhere, where would it
be? And why the pyramids the Egyptian Pyramids, I don't, I don't
know because they're so strange and I want to go inside them and see what,
you know, what kind of energy is in there and uh something like
that, or to oh that, what's what's the place the where they have
the terra katta warriors? Is that China? China? You know where they
have all those terracotta warriors. That's gotta be a really strange feeling place to
go into this script and see all of this stuff that they took with them
in death. Absolutely, I mean you are in pretty brave. I would
definitely not. I mean Ian Carter taught us a lot when it comes to
the Egyptians, and you won't go with me, no. And also fun
fact, you know there's not many mummies left because the Victorians would eat them
hud Yeah, not really but yeah, but what's left to eat? Well,
they found it. They found what was left to eat and they ate
them. I've not heard that one before. It's like, what is this
like, like the Victorian explorers that were going into the two or just people
around in the Victorian times hate them. From understanding, the people in the
Victorian times would eat them. But I will do more research around around the
matter and I will let you know exactly, but yeah, the Victorians would
eat But then the Victorians have a lot to answer to to be fair in
terms of what we do now, because even when you look at our research
in the paranormal research, the fact the Victorians were like, let's talk to
the dead and no one's like, yeah, why not? And here we
are all these years they are. It's a very strange era of history.
I have to admit, the Victorians do have a lot to answer for on
many different levels. It's multi facet is multi there is so much going on
there to unpack. But yeah, but then women come into their own as
well. If you think about what was happening for women of them days.
I mean, even so when you look at the mediumship side of things and
how the vic Victorian like parlor trick the mediums, the chance mediums would some
people would maybe exaggerate their ability to do what they can do because he put
they put themselves in a position where they could speak to men and be able
to push their agenda of change because of it. So, you know,
we've always been very resourceful, versatile creatures. We make the best of a
bad situation. I've learned. That does make a lot of sense. Actually,
it's sort of like it would give another wise repressed board housewife in the
victory in times a little bit of more chance to go places, meet people,
and something about He's like, I feel like there is a woman in
the room. And she says, maybe let women vote. Possibly just just
an idea. And she also says, let the skirts shorter legs can be
seen. They're not evil and who puts? Asked Nick in makeup, what
make it make sense? Ditch the corset? We want too brave. I
think it's a sterling idea. I think they're on tour winner ex Maybe maybe
they're onto something, maybe the wrong questions. When we're doing investigations now,
we should have to go views are and see what they say. It's like,
how do you how would you like to vote in the afterworld? It's
like, how would you like to be forwards with this. It's like,
what do you need? What's your gen Yeah? What kind of shoes do
you want to wear? Are you wearing heels or are you wearing boots?
What are you wearing? Yeah? And who who? Who do we need
to talk to about heels? Because that is statistic and what we choose to
torture ourselves. No, absolutely not. I don't care how good it makes
my caft look. Thank you. There is so much, so much,
but we digress, We digress. So if you so you've got the Egyptians
and you got the Terra Cotta's soldiers warriors, so in America, So,
I mean, you guys have so much over there in comparison to our little
little island, and there's so many different avenues of exploration we don't have.
We have big foot over here, but we don't have it in the same
context as you guys would. Natty's better better with this conversation than I.
But we do have a big foot here, don't we? Yes? Our
sightings can it? Chase about forty minutes up from me has had a lot
of sightings for bigfoot, and I've seen stuff in the woods near me which
got me interested in in the first place. I'm scared to go in the
woods now. Yeah, but it's like, yeah, it was quite interesting.
So it's like, you know, there are sightings throughout most of Europe
as well. I think I'm not an expert on it. It's only just
I used to be terrified, absolutely terrified of it. So it's only in
the last what two years, where I've actually been calm enough to actually look
at it a bit more rationally. But but yeah, it's yes, very
I'm not sure though, how are you guys all managed to live with all
those woods around you and all the things in them? And you know,
last night I was looking because I help. I'm a host on a podcast
here too on Sunday nights and on Wednesday evenings, and on Wednesday evenings we
do the paranormal News and we bring up different things, and so I've been
bringing up ghost animals and talking about different animal ghosts, like you guys have
a bunch of animals over there running rampant, like there's a in Welles.
There's a horse that's a phantom horse, and there's a supposedly a black bear
and Tower of London, the Tower of London and you know. So in
London they actually was a zoo. It was a zoo. So what would
happen is this is where that story's probably coming from. What would happen is
is people from far and wide would donate or gift royalty polar bears, bears,
lions, and essentially they got so overrun. That is how London Zoo
come about. So, yes, there was bears in the tower. In
the Tower of London, there was bears there. There was a polar bear
there. I did not know that until my friend Carry told me. But
yeah, so it's correct we did. But now now they live quite comfortably
in a zoo not too far for where he is. So there's always a
grain of truth, isn't it. Yes, in the mist that you find.
I just found out about the oh and I can't think of the pond.
There was a ghost chicken over there at some pond. And Sir Francis
Bacon back in the sixteen hundreds, I just told this two weeks ago.
Sir Francis Bacon was riding with the King's physician. It was sixteen twenty six
or something, sixteen hundred something, and they were talking about preserving food and
it was cold, and so whatever the pond is the name of the pond.
He asked the carriage to stop, and they got a chicken and they
plucked it and gutted it, and he proceeded to say that he thought if
you just take the snow and the ice and pack it inside, that it
wouldn't let the chicken last longer. So that was the first frozen chicken,
and then he died of pneumonia. He couldn't even see how that helped people
preserve food later on, because he died just a couple of days later from
pneumonia. But evidently that chicken still haunts the pond area and comes out and
flaps its featherless wings at people, and people have even seen it up until
the nineteen seventies. Oh wow, like a boat chicken. Yes, yes,
I think you're gonna have to look that up. That is so,
I mean that adds to the terror everyone. Yeah, because you would think,
Sir Francis Bacon he died of pneumonia at that spot, why didn't he
come back, you know, upset that he died from pneumonia. But no,
it's the chicken that was upset, because was saying to me the other
day. Oh. You know, it's like, why are there are any
people ghosts and not animal ghosts? And I was just like, well,
there are some animal ghosts and the growls that we get on EVPs and things.
I always say, why why aren't they t rexes and things? And
he was like, ow, well that's why it's like but you know,
I was just like, well, you know it could be. But yeah,
I've got to tell him the ghost chicken. One have to, And
I tell you another one about a camel, a ghost camel. This was
actually this was actually in the United States back in the eighteen forties to fifties.
It was before the Civil War here, and they thought because of the
desert Southwest, camels would do great in the desert because they do they could
go farther than horses, they could go longer than horses without water or food,
they could carry more than horses, and things like that. So finally
the government allowed a certain amount of money to bring some camels in and they
did, and they were used by the military in the southwest United States over
in Arizona and that area, and the Civil War broke out and they didn't
know what to do with the camels. You know that during this time,
you know how people get on horses to ride, and we're so used to
seeing people horseback, but not on camelback. So the soldiers were having to
learn how to ride camel back. And if you can imagine some people are
afraid of horses, well, this thing was bigger than a horse. That
would be kind of terrifying if you're afraid of things like that. So supposedly,
allegedly there was one of the soldiers that was afraid of the camels and
he had to ride one because they did. And supposedly he was strapped onto
this camel and his buddies smacked the camel on the bum and the camel went
running. They chased it, but the camel was fast and got away.
The soldier and the camel were never seen again until when they would this camel.
They didn't know what it was after the war had happened and everything,
but this thing would just be wandering around with someone on its back, and
some prospectors, a group of prospectors saw this thing, and they had over
the last few years called this the red ghost because it would leave little patches
of a reddish brown fur around the area that it attacked because it would attack.
There was a mad camel, and so the prospector saw this thing at
a distance and they saw something drop off of it, and they waited for
it to leave, and they were so intrigued that they walked over to where
it had stood and there was a human skull lying on the ground, so
a head had fallen off, and they thought back and everything, and it
had to have been a soldier strapped on. Well, the camel was finally
killed because it ended up in someone's garden eating the food, and the camel
shot. The leather straps that held the person on were still on the camel.
The body had disintegrated and gone, but the straps were still on the
camel, So that was one camel. But that was really not a ghost.
They just called at the Red Ghost because they couldn't catch the thing.
But in a later story, a prospector struck gold. He had bought two
camels from the Civil war time. Because when the Civil War happened they had
to do something with the camels. They just let some go in the desert,
which the Red Ghost was one of the ones they let go, of
course, and then they sold the others at auction. Well, farmers could
buy the camels, and one man bought three and would take them on his
prospecting trips in Arizona. He struck gold. He was excited, and he
goes back into the ball and is celebrating in the saloon, and they were
going, you struck gold, Oh my god, that's wonderful. He's got
his camel tied up outside instead of a horse, and he knows he can't
go straight back to the mine he found the gold at because somebody's gonna follow
him. He's by himself, so he goes long way around and camps for
the night. Someone follows him and kills him because they think he's at his
mine. As they kill as he is killing this prospector, his camel attacks
the man bites him, and the man is so terrified that he runs into
town. He of course shot the camel, so the miner's dead. The
camel's dead, but he's so terrified that he runs, you know, around.
Well, he looks and looks for weeks for this gold. It wasn't
at the mine. The miner had not stopped at his claim where he had
found the gold, so the guy couldn't find the gold. One night he
was sleeping, trying to sleep, and he wakes up and there is this
camel and the man that he had killed on the camel that he had shot.
He was so terrified he ran into town and confessed everything. From what
I understand, that camel or the miner were never seen again. They just
appeared that one time to the man that had killed him. Oh really said
that is could you imagine like striking gold and like trying to do the right
thing and still still being minted in his put the camel this was It was
so funny to me that the camel attacked the man as he was trying to
kill him, because you know, that man had taken care of the camel
that was like his pet. But the the camel bent the other man,
you know, and he was he was attacked. He was the attack camel.
I didn't know if come be protective like that. I was like,
yeah, So I'm finding all kinds of animal stories and they're pretty interesting.
I actually had a ghost cat myself, So I when my husband and I
got married, I was moving. I had my own cat at my mom's
house, and I didn't want to move her until everything was already here.
That way, she wouldn't be so upset. So we were married. We
were already married, and I'm still moving things over. And one night my
husband had already fallen asleep and I felt my cat jump up on the bed,
turn around, and then lay down by my feet, and I kind
of smiled and went, all, that's so sweet. Belle is going to
sleep on my feet. Wait a minute, Bella is not here yet.
We've got a ghost cat. So I didn't say anything. And a few
nights later we were lying there talking and I felt the ghost cat jump up
on the bed again, and I said to my husband, did you feel
that? He said yes. I said, what was it? I don't
know. Have you felt it before? H huh? And I said were
you going to say anything? Nope? And I said what do you think
it is? I don't know. Everything was very short, and I said
you weren't gonna say maybe because no one was waiting for you to say something.
I was waiting for you to tell me what it was. I said,
we have a ghost cat. We have a ghost cat. When I
actually did move my cat, she was fine. They didn't. I never
saw her looking up or looking around, so they must have gotten along,
Okay, but I don't have her anymore. Bella is still here, but
the ghost cat left. You don't think it was Bella astral projecting to you.
You know, there's actually there's actually more to the story. So the
next couple of years after that, so we would fill the ghost cat once
in a while, and we went up to Pennsylvania. I live in Tennessee,
which is southern United States, the southern part, and we went up
to Pennsylvania, where my husband was from. We saw his family and then
we're taking a little vacation across the state. So when we got to Pittsburgh,
I got some food poisoning and it was awful. So that sidelined me
for about twenty four hours. And then we got up and we drove through
Dutch Country, which is Lancaster County, and then over to Valley Forge.
And it was a really hot day. It was July. It was very,
very hot, and I wasn't feeling great yet. After the food poisoning,
I was okay, but I wasn't feeling great. So anytime there was
air conditioning, like in the visitor center, I would just sit there for
a few minutes. And finally he said we need to go I think and
I said, I think so too. So he went and got the truck
while I was sitting by the air conditioner, and we left and we went
on to Philly, Philadelphia, and we had a great time in Philadelphia.
We went to Gettysburg and you know, toured just the tour area, came
down through Shenandoah National Park in Virginia and then back into Tennessee. And by
the time you know, we had gotten to Philadelphia, I was feeling fine.
There was nothing wrong. All all the stomach stuff that was all gone.
And so we got home and just a few days after we got here
and unpacked, I noticed I kept hearing something different. And it wasn't fella.
It wasn't a ghost cat. It was different. It was like wrestling,
some kind of wrestling. And he went to work and I'm I've got
to find out what this is. Who this is. Somebody's here. It's
not threatening, it wasn't wasn't ominous or anything like that. So with a
lot of questions and answers, I got my recorder out, I got just
different things out and ask questions. A nurse had attached herself to me when
I was feeling sick and I had picked her up around the Valley Forge area
and she had come all the way back to Tennessee with me and was just
really sweet, was just really sweet, and she would you could just it
was just a nice atmosphere. After about three months, I got to feeling
like she was a little antsy, you know, the energy was kind of
shifting, and I felt like she needed to leave. I felt like she
was ready to leave, and I asked Mark what to do, and he
said, wish her on her way. Just tell her thank you for helping
you, and if she wants to stay, she's welcome to since she's not
hurting anything, or go back if she wants to go, And so I
did. I thanked her so so much. I said, oh, I
was so sick and you helped me feel so much better and I really appreciate
you. But if you want to go back home, I understand. And
within the next twenty four to forty eight hours, the energy shifted again and
she was gone. About a week or so later, I realized I hadn't
felt the ghost cat. She took the ghost cat with her. Oh wow,
they kind of got along, and I thought that was the sweetest thing
that the ghost cat and her hooked up and I think she took him with
That's a very cat thing as well, isn't it to do? Yeah?
Yeah, I like you. I'm coming with you now. It's yeah,
No, Loie is there with cats? Is there that I got? I
sits where I fix that? But I think we're coming to the end of
our show now. He's been so cool. I would love to know fantastic
stories you sched with us this evening. But for those that want to follow
you have a little well you do. Tell us a bit about your books.
Why people find you? Sure? Cent Trader Hill author, I'm on
Facebook. My group Valley Paranormal is also on Facebook. You can find my
books on Amazon. I'm self published. So Cent Trader Hill and I have
five books on their One is fiction that Mark and I wrote together. The
other four are all true stories. They're all short stories, so you can
read one and go do something else and come back and read another one there
are. The first one is mostly from the area that I live in,
and the actual the Haunting from Helen Georgia. I told you about the cabin
I wrote that that's in that book. So the first book, some of
the old hospital things like that. The second book is the fiction. The
third book I really wanted to be my first one, but I couldn't figure
out how to do it. It's called They're Speaking Are you listening? My
most compelling EVPs? And it is the investigations I have been on that have
affected me the most and the EVPs I've gotten from them. So the cool
thing about that book is, as you're reading the book, you can go
to Elk Valleyparanormal dot com and go to the evidence section to the little drop
down menu They're Speaking and listen to all of the EVPs that are in the
book. So there's over one hundred in that particular one. The fourth book
is about signs from our loved ones, like deathbed conversations that someone is having
right before they die, near death experiences, family coming back, leaving feathers,
the cardinals that you see, songs that you hear, you sell perfume,
Are there you know anything like that? Any stories like that? And
actually I had one from England sent to me. She sent one about her
grandfather and his cat that both came back to let her know that they were
okay. So that was a cool story. Lots of things going on in
that one. I lost my nephew right after I started writing, not too
long after, and so that was hard to get it started again. But
his story is in there as well. He was only nineteen and a half
when we lost him, so his story is in there, My baby Wyatt.
The last book is Realm with Shadows, true ghost stories, and it's
some of the darker things that I've been investigating and seeing and had to experience
and things like that. And some of the friends that have sent me stories
as well, so I would love to hear get your take on them,
what you think about them. And I also am bringing out a sequel to
Signs this spring, probably by May. It's the next one in the sequel,
and then in the fall I'll bring out another scary short story book of
true experience. So we'll see what happens. And if anyone wants to show
you best stories of you, how can they do that? You can send
it to me on Facebook. You can friend me on Facebook send Trader Hill,
or you can go to my page Cen Trader Hill Author if you want
to just speak to me there, but you can also reach me at Senchrader
Hill author at gmail dot com and I would be happy, happy, happy
to read your stories. If you want for me to put them in a
book, I would be more than happy to. In the Science Book,
after each story there is an in memory of So if someone lost their grandmother,
then they tell the story and I've got in memory of their grandmother's name
and her birth and death dates. So it's kind of like a just a
memorial for them. Just to it seems like it was healing to a lot
of people, and that's why the second book is coming out, so hopefully
we'll see we'll see what happens in the future. That sounds wonderful. Thank
you so much for sharing, and thank you for joining me in Nattie this
evening. It's been really fun chatting and hearing your journey and really look forward
to seeing your progression and what you're doing next. We'll share everything in our
group and our page as well for anyone that's interested as well. That's follows
the story and your journey. But yeah, but thank you so much,
thank you so much for having me. I've enjoyed both of you and it's
been wonderful and I just I could hear you, just listen to you talk
all day that's very fine. You'll have to come back on and tell us
a little bit more about VP's and things in your hospital, the hospital that
you were investigating. I would love to yeah when whenever you say, I'll
come back on. Perfect this week that happened. Okay, Well, we're
gonna say good night, goodbye, good morning, whatever time you're listening to
us. Now, we're gonna say so well and we'll see you next time.