WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.439 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to Open 3 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:17.320 Lines Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO 4 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:22.559 Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade 5 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:27.199 and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, 6 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.880 and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. 7 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:39.960 Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio. 8 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:44.880 This is your host, Alejandro Rojas, and today we have a great 9 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:49.600 guest. We have Robert Saliz. He was at Mina Air Force Base. 10 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:56.560 He was an officer, he's a retired captain when UFOs went over this nuclear 11 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.359 facility and the nukes were turned off. Some of you who are very familiar 12 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.400 with UFO history, I already know about this, but this is the guy 13 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:08.560 who was there, so we're really excited to have him on and talk about 14 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:12.920 that. He's got some other aspects that he's looked into or that he's involved 15 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.519 with. Also that he will tell us about. In fact, you may 16 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.760 know about the Condon Committee. This was a group of people the Air Force 17 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:26.519 hired out of the University of Colorado to investigate UFOs and they pretty much they 18 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.640 debunked the whole thing at the end, although they had some great investigations inside 19 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:34.640 of the case. In fact, it's one of the rare cases where scientists 20 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:41.359 actually declared this large object that was taken there was a photo of in McMinnville, 21 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:47.599 Oregon, was actually scientifically proven to be some large metallic object in the 22 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.560 sky that nobody knew why it was there. So there was some great research 23 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.200 to prove that UFOs were real, but for some reason, they still debunked 24 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:00.000 the whole thing. Well, Robert has looked into their investigation to the mind 25 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.760 not air force based nuclear incident, and he has some information to share with 26 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:08.479 us about that, so I'm excited to hear this. Also, him and 27 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:15.719 researcher Robert Hastings have been getting together because Robert hastings specialty is to look into 28 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:22.960 cases where UFOs have been around nuclear facilities, and they are putting together a 29 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.039 press conference in Washington, d C. Where they're going to let the press 30 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.400 know about this and they're going to be having highly credible witnesses. They're all 31 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:38.000 retired ex military to talk about their experiences witnessing and seeing this kind of stuff. 32 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:40.759 So real excited to have him on today. He's a friend, he's 33 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.080 been to the office quite a bit, he listens to the show, so 34 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.080 we're excited to have him on. We've also got some news, some big 35 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.759 news for the show. We're moving time, so we're actually going to Monday 36 00:02:53.960 --> 00:03:01.080 evenings, so Monday at nine pm we will be live including this Monday, 37 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.680 and a few days from now, in a few days, we're going to 38 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.680 have Michael Luckman. This is exciting. It's rock and roll stars and their 39 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:13.199 experiences with ET's and UFOs. He's written a book on it. He's the 40 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:17.039 authority you might have seen on our website recently that we wrote about Sammy Hagar 41 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:23.120 and his experiences, so we'll talk about him, John Lennon, Michael Jackson, 42 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:28.000 the list goes on and on a famous musicians who have had experiences. 43 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:34.280 So that'll be Monday at nine pm. Here Pacific, Arizona. Time Arizona 44 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.719 changes between Pacific and Mountain. Right now we're on Pacific, so you can 45 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:43.639 join us at Openminds dot TV to watch us live at nine pm. 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We 61 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:57.240 are your ufone news source and we post on Openminds dot TV all of the 62 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.240 news headlines on UFOs that come out, and we've yeah Jason McClelland our news 63 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:06.639 correspondent to share the latest with us. Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Alajndro, 64 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.000 Hello Phoenix. Then hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief 65 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.279 for Friday, April thirtieth, twenty ten. In the news this week, 66 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.360 humanity should be doing all it can to avoid contact with extraterrestrials, at least 67 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:25.040 according to Stephen Hawking. In a new documentary for the Discovery Channel entitled Stephen 68 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:30.720 Hawking's Universe, the theoretical physicist mentions that alien life is almost certain to exist 69 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:33.360 in many other parts of the universe. He suggests that aliens might come to 70 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.879 rate our planet for its resources, and to justify his thought, Hawking simply 71 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.120 states, we only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might 72 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.160 develop into something we wouldn't want to meet. Yeah. Scary stuff, and 73 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.120 you know, there are a lot of eupologists that feel that way, even 74 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:51.560 though there's a lot of people in this field that are upset with what he 75 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:57.120 had to say. But Zacharia Sitchen, who's very popular to Samerian documents to 76 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.720 talk about that kind of scenario and others. So you know, there are 77 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:01.519 a lot of people upset with what he says. There are a lot of 78 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.360 people who agree with what he says. So but it was interesting to hear 79 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.120 him actually come out and say this, Yeah, make big news. The 80 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:14.519 Stephen Stephen Hawking's Universe begins May ninth on the Discovery Channel. Hawking created quite 81 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.120 a stir with his comments about avoiding contact with extraterrestrials, but NASA doesn't appear 82 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.800 to be worried at all. At a press briefing Wednesday, Mary Voytech, 83 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:28.040 a senior scientist in astrobiology at NASA's headquarters in Washington, said, within NASA's 84 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.240 programs, our approach to the Solar System exploration has been that we are prepared 85 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.680 to make discoveries of any type of life, any form, and we're prepared 86 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:44.680 to make these measurements using the latest techniques in planetary protection. That is fascinating. 87 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.279 I don't know what planetary protection means they have, but it makes me 88 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:54.199 think of Ronald Reagan and Star Wars Yeah, what are they not sharing planet? 89 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.600 Maybe we have a cloaking device that's around the planet we don't know about. 90 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.920 They must have something because they're not telling us. I liked one of 91 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:04.759 the headlines which said something like NASA is ignoring Stephen Hawking and they're going forward 92 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:09.680 with contacting or trying to anyway. So that's that's kind of funny. In 93 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:14.319 other NASA news, NASA revealed evidence this week of life on Mars. Data 94 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:18.000 was recently collected by the Opportunity and Spirit probes sent to the Red planet that 95 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:23.480 show the likely presence of a form of ponds gum ponds gum alejandro, the 96 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:27.399 building blocks of life as we know it. That's where we all came from. 97 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:31.120 Previous Mars missions have gathered evidence of sulfates, which indicate the presence of 98 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:35.519 water on the planet. Methane has also been detected in the Martian atmosphere, 99 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:40.600 hinting at the possibility of life on Mars. So when I call you pondscum, 100 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.079 it's not like I'm trying to be a jerk or anything. It's just, 101 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.600 you know, that's where we all come from, that's our origins. 102 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.360 So don't take offense. You can start calling me Ponscum if you like. 103 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:54.279 And in entertainment news, it looks like Indiana Jones will be trading in his 104 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.279 whip for a six shooter and a horse. Harrison Ford has been added to 105 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.720 the cast of the upcoming Big Screen at a of the comic Cowboys and Aliens. 106 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.639 Ironman director John Farreau confirmed Ford's edition to the film via Twitter post. 107 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.680 Cowboys and Aliens is based on the two thousand and six graphic novel and features 108 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.959 cowboys and Indians battling aliens who land on Earth in the eighteen hundreds. This 109 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.160 will be Harrison Ford's first strictly science fiction film since Return of the Jedi in 110 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:26.240 nineteen eighty three. Looks interesting, should be good, hopefully hopefully. It 111 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:31.439 looks kind of goofy, but it should be fun. Yeah. That's it 112 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.519 for the news, Alejandro. Remember to check these stories and more at Openminds 113 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.559 dot tv, your source for UFO related news. I'm your Open Mind's news 114 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.720 correspondent, Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed back to you, Alejandro. 115 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:45.600 All right, thank you. Yeah, some other interesting things that I think 116 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.519 have been going on as Australia, they've been reporting a lot of UFOs. 117 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:54.720 They've had a couple stories, one it's raining UFOs down Under and another one 118 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:01.519 called We're being invaded by NT news. That's Northern Territory News. So Australia 119 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.080 has been getting a lot of sightings lately, which is kind of strange. 120 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:09.799 I wonder what's going on down there. Then some a another one, Angela 121 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:16.120 Joyner, who wrote for our magazine, had an article recently, so everybody 122 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.679 go check that out. She's asking can we handle the truth? And it's 123 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.519 in Reporter News and you could go to reporternews dot com to check that out. 124 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:30.399 It's Abilene, Texas's paper. So and she's a textan herself. If 125 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.279 you remember her, she had a lot to do with Stephenville, Texas and 126 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.559 the sighting out there. She was the first one to write the article which 127 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.159 made national headline news. But we're gonna go to break. We'll be back 128 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.639 with Robert Sallas and we'll be talking about nuclear sites and UFO. So stay 129 00:09:46.679 --> 00:10:01.159 tuned. You're listening to Open Minds Radio with Allejandra Rojas. I'm KFNX News 130 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:09.519 Talk Radio eleven hundred. Welcome back to Oping Mind's Radio. This is Alejandro 131 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.679 Rojas, and today we have Robert salas on and I believe he is on 132 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.840 the phone right now. He's a retired captain from the Air Force and he's 133 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.600 going to share with us his experiences at miy Not and other exciting details. 134 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:28.440 Robert, are you on the phone, Yes here? Oh right, great, 135 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.720 It's good to hear from you again. It's always a lot of fun 136 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.320 talking to you. Another one of my favorite people in the in the field. 137 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:43.279 Thank you. So let's get into your experiences at mine Not and when 138 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:48.000 this happened, and maybe just get into the details of how this all started. 139 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.279 Uh yeah, well, let me just correct. It wasn't min Not. 140 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:56.200 It was Malchs from Air Force Boy. I was stationed there from nineteen 141 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.200 sixty seven to nineteen sixty nine, I'm sorry, sixty six to sixty nine. 142 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:07.799 The incident happened, and this is a change from what's in my book, 143 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:15.279 But the incident that I was involved in happened in March twenty fourth of 144 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:20.960 nineteen sixty seven. Real Briefly, I was on duty as a missile launch 145 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:26.360 officer. I was down in a capsule sixty feet underground in control of ten 146 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:33.720 nuclear missiles, and there were two of us down there. My commander and 147 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.799 myself and we had about six guards upstairs. Got a call from one of 148 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.559 the guards earlier. Well it was dark out, let's put it that way. 149 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.080 It could have been late at night, early in the morning. I'm 150 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.399 not sure about the time. Of course, we're sixty feet under and no 151 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:58.360 windows. But the guard said that they've been seeing some strange lights flying around 152 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:05.559 and make any noise. They were making very erratic maneuvers. They weren't airplanes, 153 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.480 and they just wanted to report it. And I didn't know what to 154 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:16.960 think about the call. I you know, I just kind of shrugged it 155 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.519 off and h did you kind of have a suspicion that your at least your 156 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.600 own facts of what that those might have been. Well, yeah, of 157 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:31.639 course there had been reports in the newspapers for some time about UFO sidings and 158 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:39.120 new Yes uh. As a matter of fact, in our book, we 159 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.320 we have made copies of those reports, those news reports and put them in 160 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.679 there leading up to our incident. So I even mentioned the word UFO to 161 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:54.000 them, I said, you mean, like UFOs. They just said they 162 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.519 couldn't explain the lights. So I didn't think much of it. Hung out, 163 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:03.559 but you know, within A minute or so later, he calls back, 164 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:09.080 and this time he's screaming into the phone, obviously frightened, and says 165 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:13.799 he's looking out the front window and seeing a glowing red object hovering just above 166 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.600 the front gate. He's got all the guards out there with their weapons drawn 167 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:24.919 and wants me to tell them what to do next. Oh, I didn't 168 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.759 know exactly what. I can't remember exactly what I said. I think I've 169 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:35.360 heard something like make sure nothing comes inside. But then he hung up. 170 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:43.320 He said one of the guards got injured. I went to tell my commander 171 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.039 about these phone calls. He was taking a rest break. We had a 172 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.840 little cot down there, and as I was starting to tell him about the 173 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.759 calls, all of a sudden, we got a lot of those and whistles 174 00:13:54.799 --> 00:14:01.399 go off in the capsule, which happens when there's a problem with any of 175 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.559 the weapons. So we look over at the board. We have a display 176 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:11.440 board down there, and uh, all our missiles started going from a green 177 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:18.399 go condition to a red no go condition, which means they couldn't be used. 178 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:24.399 They couldn't be launched while this object was still up there. I recall, 179 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:31.960 all our missiles went down. Uh, my commander recalls approximately eight of 180 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:37.159 them going down. So a little bit, what's that? So at least 181 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.080 a portion of him he still remembers went down. Oh, yes, absolutely, 182 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:46.600 he supports what I've got in my uh, in my account in my 183 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:54.159 book paid a giant And by the way, well let me just finish real 184 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.960 quick. We go through our procedures. He calls the command post, which 185 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.559 is back at Great Falls, Montana at mals from Air Force Base. We're 186 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:11.000 about one hundred miles away at location near Lewistown, Montana. But he calls 187 00:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.399 back and reports this incident and they tell him. He turns to me and 188 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:24.120 says, the same thing happened at another flight wow, which later turned out 189 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.000 to be well, it turns out to be that was Echo Flight, and 190 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:35.879 we were at Oscar Flight. So but in researching this later on, I 191 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:43.720 found out that Echo Flight went down on March the sixteenth, which is approximately 192 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:48.759 a week before ours, and ours went down on the twenty fourth. And 193 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:52.840 the reason I'm sure about the date now is because of the other witnesses that 194 00:15:52.919 --> 00:16:00.200 have come forward since I wrote the book. You said one of the guards 195 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:06.320 got hurt. How did he get hurt? Well, actually, he injured 196 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:11.360 his hand trying to scale the fence, so he kind of creaked out and 197 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:17.360 tried to jump the fence. And exactly, we had barb wire around the 198 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:23.159 fence. And this is a very frightening experience, extremely frightening. This is 199 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:27.840 something way out of the ordinary. These guys had never seen before. And 200 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:36.440 now, how close did they feel the object was? I would say the 201 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:44.600 object was, you know, less than one hundred feet away. The front 202 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:51.879 gate is fairly close to the main building we had, the security building, 203 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.679 so it was pretty close to these guys. It was really close. It 204 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:03.480 was a pulsating, red glowing object. A later confronted the guard when I 205 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:08.519 got relieved that morning by the next crew, and he couldn't give me much 206 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:15.519 more detail. He said he had a hard time distinguishing the object itself because 207 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.039 of the of the glow of the light. How long did they say the 208 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:27.319 objects stuck around? A short period of time, probably a minute or so, 209 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:33.680 Okay, and that was during the time where the missiles went to their 210 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:37.319 no go exactly. Yeah, and they had no control. I got to 211 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.839 emphasize, they had no ability to control the missiles from the top side. 212 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.960 We had all the gooles downstairs as you might imagine, it was a very 213 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:52.960 secure facility, very reliable. It's this sort of thing, missiles shutting down 214 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:57.720 for no reason, no apparent reason. It was very rare. I was 215 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:03.599 there for three years. Nothing like the the close to this ever happened while 216 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.599 I was on duty there. How long were the missiles in that state? 217 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:12.200 Well? I had to be brought up back up to alert status. So 218 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:19.960 because the main failure mode was guidance in control system failure, so the guidance 219 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:26.079 package somehow was affected, so they had to have crews come out there and 220 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.640 physically bring them back up. Wow. So that must have taken a period 221 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.759 of time, at least a few hours, if not in the day, 222 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.200 or probably at least a day. Wow. So it took quite some time. 223 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:45.000 So I'd imagine then that this incident was investigated. Well, the Echo 224 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:53.720 flight incident was investigated. Now you know that we were basically sworn to secrecy 225 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.680 after we reported back to the base. We weren't even able to talk to 226 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:07.440 the guards again or even ourselves. Uh So, what I started talking about 227 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:15.680 this in nineteen ninety four after seeing something in Timothy book Timothy Goods book Above 228 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:26.680 top Secret, and uh so that's that's when I started getting documentation put together 229 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:32.319 that I received under the Freedom of Information Act, and that's how we were 230 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:36.519 able to get the information put in our book. What were you told back 231 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:41.640 then? Did they just mark it up as a malfunction. We weren't. 232 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:51.000 We were literally literally told nothing. Wow, it exactly we were. We 233 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:55.519 reported what we had as far as the incident, and we turned over our 234 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:02.200 logs the information we had and we were told by a member of a fo 235 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:07.519 SI officer Special Investigation of the Air for the Air Force, uh not to 236 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:17.519 talk about it ever to anyone. And and there was what was unusual is 237 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.000 that, you know, we were given briefings every morning we went on alert 238 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:27.240 about things that were going on out in the field about the technical aspects of 239 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:34.559 the of the weapons system and and any modifications they were doing and anything that 240 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:37.680 we're working on. I mean, it was a pretty thorough briefing we got. 241 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.839 And like I said, I was there for another couple of years and 242 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:52.880 nothing was ever told to us about the ongoing investigation that was happening about this 243 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:57.960 incident. They had quite a big investigation going wow, but we were never 244 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:02.079 told anything about it. How interesting, you know, We've got to go 245 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.039 to a break here real quick. But then when we come back, we'll 246 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:10.119 talk more about the investigation. And you know what you found from the Condon 247 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.960 investigation, so that ought to be really interesting. I'm exciting to hear what 248 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.559 you found. And we'll also then get into some of these other cases. 249 00:21:18.839 --> 00:21:22.920 I know a lot of people get my not in Malstrom mixed up, and 250 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:26.119 I because that there was an interesting case that happened out there, and I'm 251 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.559 usually really good at keeping those straight, and I mess it up at the 252 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:33.720 worst time ever. So stay tuned. We'll be back with Robert Salas right 253 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:41.400 after this break. This is Open Mindes Radio here again your host UFO paranormal 254 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:48.240 researcher and journalist Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. We have 255 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:53.240 our guests Robert Salas, retired captain from the Air Force, explaining really an 256 00:21:53.319 --> 00:22:00.039 incredible event that happened at Malstrom Air Force Base back in the sixties when UFOs 257 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:07.720 flew over and the nukes went into a no go status. So I think 258 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.920 you were there any other details that you left at when you were going over 259 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.519 what had happened at the Air Force base. Robert uh no I think I 260 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:22.119 covered basics the basics. If anybody is interested in getting more details, they 261 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:29.960 can go to cuf o N dot com wwcu f o N dot com and 262 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.359 go to special reports link and they can read up on the mouse incident. 263 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:37.960 Great, and they can also get your book on Amazon dot com. Faded 264 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.000 Giant is the name of the book. Is there a website where you have 265 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.039 that book? Also? Uh no, not yet, Okay, so go 266 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:51.200 to Amazon. Uh huh great. Yeah. So let's get into the Condon 267 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:55.759 report you said you had. I explained earlier in the show what the Condon 268 00:22:55.839 --> 00:23:00.279 report was when the Air Force played the University of Colorado and Boulder, of 269 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:07.359 which I'm an alumni, to go investigate UFOs and they pretty much kind of 270 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.599 debunked the whole thing. And you went in to look into their study on 271 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:17.680 your case on the malstroam case. Yes, I did. A couple months 272 00:23:17.720 --> 00:23:22.599 ago. I was able to get some notes of doctor Roy Craig. Doctor 273 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:27.240 Roy Craig was a member of the common team in charge of the investigations actually 274 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:33.079 of the incidents. He heard about the Malstrom shutdowns and that the UFOs were 275 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:41.720 involved from Ray Fowler back in nineteen sixty seven. I think it was August 276 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.440 nineteen sixty seven, so this is a few months after the incidents occurred. 277 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:56.480 He actually visited Montana in October of nineteen sixty seven, armed with a lot 278 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.599 of information really from Fowler, who had gotten the information and as a result 279 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:08.680 of him being by working for Sylvania was a contractor for the electrical systems. 280 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:15.799 But anyway, he had names, and he knew about the UFO reports that 281 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:25.319 was told UFOs were not well, and he failed to So I'll just go 282 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:30.839 through this real briefly because I have written an extended article on this, and 283 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:37.559 again people that are interested in this can go to UFO Chronicles website and they 284 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:44.920 can read the complete report. But three things Craig failed to follow up on 285 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:52.559 interviewing witnesses like myself. There was a report of the investigation and Air Force 286 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:59.240 report that was classified, but doctor Robert Lowe, who was the assistant to 287 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.960 Condon, had authority to view classified reports, but low never followed up on 288 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:11.200 that, and I've got this documented. And the third thing was that the 289 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:19.839 Air Force did have classified, classified reports of UFO incidents that were never included 290 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:26.000 in blue book, that were excluded from review by the Condon Committee. So 291 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:33.440 those three things again point to the facts that the Condon Report was a whitewash. 292 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:40.759 Now why is that important for us? Because as a result of that 293 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:47.759 report, the Air Force claims that there's no reason to further investigate the UFO 294 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:55.759 reports, that there's no national security interest, and they basically stopped investigating officially 295 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.319 officially of course, right, So, and I would imagine you feel that 296 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:04.799 even with a mouse from Air Force shutdown, those were investigated by the Air 297 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:11.000 Force and possibly, if not probably UFO incidents are still researched by the Air 298 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:17.359 Force, just not publicly exactly. Yeah, there's no question about that. 299 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.119 And there have been other incidents, is like you said, the Echo flight, 300 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:26.680 and I know you work with Robert Hastings. He's found many other instances 301 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:33.599 of UFO events having to do with nuclear sites. Yeah, Robert Acings has 302 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:40.319 written a book, as you know, called UFOs and NUP and he's documented 303 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:51.240 quite a few incidents with UFO sightings around nuclear facilities. Again this nuclear weapons 304 00:26:51.279 --> 00:27:00.640 facilities and also at nuclear test sites and where nuclear material is being made, 305 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:14.799 such as Hanford in Washington. And he's got quite an extensive accumulation of witness 306 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:19.680 testimony in that book. I highly recommend that one also. But now that 307 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:25.160 you bring the AB I'd like to mention the press conference that we've got planned. 308 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:32.680 We've got a press conference that's all set for this year September twenty seventh 309 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:38.000 in the afternoon at the National Press Club in Washington, d C. We're 310 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:47.839 going to bring together a group hopefully ten to twelve eyewitnesses to UFO incidents, 311 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:56.319 specifically at or nearing nuclear facilities. And I think we want to focus on 312 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:04.440 this because I think, for example, my incident was simply a message that 313 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:14.359 we need to take seriously eliminating our nuclear weapons here because and I think with 314 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:23.279 the latest emphasis by the current administration to start an arms limitation treaty with the 315 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:30.000 Soviet Union, which still needs to be ratified, by the way, is 316 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:37.880 an indication that it's nuclear weapons are not strong deterrent and they simply add too 317 00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:44.920 much of a danger to destroy the planet based right, Yeah, I agree. 318 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.640 I mean, how scary is that, especially back I can only imagine, 319 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.079 you know, you hear about this when you were a kid, how 320 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.839 people used to live in the sixties, and you know, showing the films 321 00:28:55.400 --> 00:29:00.000 that that can cover with the nuclear just living under the fear of a nuclear 322 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:06.119 war when, like Carl Sagan had research had shown something like sixty of those 323 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.720 nukes from back then, which aren't even as powerful as what we have now, 324 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.599 would cause a nuclear winner which could kill all life on the planet exactly. 325 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:22.440 So anyway, we're going to focus on that issue in particular. We 326 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:29.839 are going to try to ask for donations to support this effort, and if 327 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:37.240 anybody wants to donate, they can go to UFO Hastings dot com and follow 328 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.119 the link to the page where he talks about the press conference. So I 329 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.759 just wanted to get the head end. Yeah, UFO Hastings dot com. 330 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.160 You know what, I'll put some more information on our website about this stuff 331 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:56.160 because that's extremely important. I mean, these people are very credible. Obviously. 332 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.000 You know, You're not alone as a retired hair cost officer in these 333 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:07.000 experiences, absolutely not. And it does take a bit of you know, 334 00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.039 courage to get up there and talk about these things, especially since for a 335 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.640 lot of these people, they've never spoken about this in public. I've been 336 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.839 speaking out about fourteen years on this now. Yeah, well many of these 337 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:27.559 people have not. Now did you start talking? Was it the Disclosure project 338 00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:36.680 where you started talking about this. Actually I started talking on that's when I 339 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:41.720 went on sightings, and I believe that was Oh okay, we were talking 340 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.319 about that, and what a great television program that was. I have a 341 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:49.920 lot of the UFOs. I think I have a whole collection of the UFO 342 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.920 stories that they had covered about how important it was and what a great job 343 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.759 that they had done with this subject. Well, we got to go to 344 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.119 bring again, so we'll be back soon and I want to get more into 345 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.720 talking about the motives why you think these UFOs are flying around the nuclear sites. 346 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.720 So we'll be back with retired Captain Robert Soliz on Open Minds Radio. 347 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.519 Welcome back to Open Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folkesperson for the 348 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.799 Mutual UFO Network, your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas, welcome 349 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:33.000 back. This is our last segment for the show, which is a bummer. 350 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.680 Business is such a great conversation. But I should tell people you can 351 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.880 call in if you like. If you're in the Phoenix metro area, that's 352 00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.839 six h two two seven, seven, five, three six nine. If 353 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:47.960 you're outside of the area, the toll free is one eight sixty six five, 354 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.359 three, six, eleven hundred, and then those of you in the 355 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.880 chat, you know, feel free to ask a question. Remember you can 356 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.319 watch us live and chat with us during the show at openminds dot tv as 357 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.359 well. I wanted to ask you, Robert, and I think you touched 358 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.000 it on it a minute ago, but just kind of focus on this subject 359 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:12.680 particularly, which is why you think these UFOs have been visiting these nuclear sites. 360 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:20.279 Well again, you know with let me tell you. Let me try 361 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.559 to answer that with an interesting story which is ultimate in my book. But 362 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:30.039 one of the men that went out to bring the missiles back up this was 363 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:36.720 an echo fight. I told me this story, and he hasn't decided to 364 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.440 come forward yet, so I'm just relating the story and I'll just call him 365 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:46.279 mister X. But he was down inside the missile silo when one of his 366 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.200 guards, he was working on bringing the missiles back up to alert status, 367 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:58.680 one of the top side guards motion for him to come back up topside, 368 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:04.440 and so he walked back up the ladder and it takes a look and sure, 369 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:10.079 how, here's this orange ball that's hovering near the side. For some 370 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.720 reason, he decides to go back straight down. The guard was scared to 371 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:20.599 death, but he goes straight back down and returns to bring the missiles back 372 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.079 up to alert, and he's going through his procedures and when he reaches a 373 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:31.799 particular point in his procedure, the missiles shuts down again. And he repeats 374 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:38.920 this over and over, and he told me that he felt almost like a 375 00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:46.079 rope of energy coming down the tube and somehow interfering with what he was doing. 376 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:52.079 The reason I tell his story, and by the way, this guy 377 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.240 is hugely credible. He's very high up in an aerospace company. That's why 378 00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:05.279 he can't come forward at this time. But I tell that story because these 379 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.960 objects, and we can argue about where they come from or what they are, 380 00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.719 but they know exactly how our systems work. They knew exactly how the 381 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.679 missile systems work and were able to shut this thing down, you know, 382 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:30.360 whenever they wanted in great details. So I think I think they just demonstrated 383 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.800 that they could do that to us, and that's why they shut our missiles 384 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:40.519 down again. Ten at Echo flight on March sixteenth, another tenant Oscar flight 385 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:45.239 on March twenty fourth. It was a demonstration by them that they could do 386 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:50.840 this and basically a message. I take it as a message, and of 387 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.880 course this is just my own take on it, and the message was get 388 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.800 rid of your nuclear weapons, are going to you're going to just destroy the 389 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.519 planet a lot. Then you're already doing it. Yeah, I used to 390 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:07.000 think, you know, fantasize around hopefully you know. To me, I 391 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.719 think it's almost incredible that we've had these nukes around for so long and really 392 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.440 haven't used them on each other that often, that we got through the Cold 393 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.559 War, and of course we have our problems with North Korea and all that 394 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.599 now. But I like to think that maybe they're turning them off. They've 395 00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.360 tried to be used, that they've been turned off. That would be nice, 396 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.880 and hopefully be nice if they did say you can't use them, just 397 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:35.360 turn them off whenever we try to use them. But who knows. But 398 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.599 it is interesting. I think, you know, you guys are touching on 399 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:45.159 something very important, because the whole beginning of you know, modern euphology began 400 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.920 sort of well it didn't, Roswell didn't get popular till the eighties, but 401 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.239 still Roswell was an important aspect and a lot of people feel that policy was 402 00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:00.480 beginning to be built around this subject due to Roswell, but that was also 403 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:06.719 a nuclear site, of course, not very far from the Trinity location where 404 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.639 nukes were discovered and built in the first place. That's right. Yeah. 405 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.559 Ros Web Force Base was the five on ninth. The bomb wing was the 406 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.960 only bomb wing in the United States that had nuclear bombs at the time. 407 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:28.159 Exactly have you been able to meet with some of the Roswell witnesses and such 408 00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:34.480 as maybe Jesse Marcel Junior. I had not. I've of course met Don 409 00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.559 Schmidt, who wrote book, and there's done a lot of research on that. 410 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.639 You probably have, right, I'd assume that since you've been in this 411 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.960 field, did you have gone around now and done some lectures and gone to 412 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:52.480 some of these conferences, met some other convincing people, people that you feel 413 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.280 are compelling and have an incredible story related to this subject. I was wondering 414 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:08.039 who might some of those people be related specifically to shut or shutdowns? Yeah? 415 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:15.519 Either one? Uh, yeah, I I I keep an open mind 416 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.719 about all of the stories I hear. Of course. I just came back 417 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:27.280 from walk when you were. You were also there and and I was amazed 418 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:34.039 at the reports, uh that I heard there. I'm trying to think of 419 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.320 anybody in specific that, Yeah, Laughlin, there's certainly a range of some 420 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:44.280 of the stuff that's a little hard to swallow, pretty you know, unconventional, 421 00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.400 and then you know, all the way to people like Wendelle Stevens, 422 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.679 who is in the Air Force for a long time, or others that have 423 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.480 stories that are a little similar to yours, where it's a little more enigmatic, 424 00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:01.000 but something that was witnessed by a lot of military people. Yes, 425 00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:07.760 and of course I've talked to other military people. We talked to many many 426 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:14.519 military people. Well, you know, I was helping Robert Hastings with his 427 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:17.920 book in some of the research and also the research that James Quatz. By 428 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.920 the way, I would like to mention the work that James Quatz did. 429 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:30.400 He's the investigator that worked on our story and he's just an outstanding investigator. 430 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:37.880 He's the co author of Fader Giant The Randolphin Forrest. I wanted to ask 431 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.840 you about this. Some people debate that rendel S Forrest was an important one 432 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:49.800 where there were a lot of the UK release and files where there were servicemen 433 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.639 because it shared there's an American base there and they saw UFO there and James 434 00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:59.440 Peniston was a gentleman who went and actually possibly touched this thing. There are 435 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.039 some rooms because Ben Waters isn't supposed to be a nuclear site, but there 436 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.320 are rumors that perhaps it is. Do you know anything about that debate? 437 00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.800 Well? I did. I don't think I'm saying anything out of school here, 438 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:20.639 but I did right to Colonel Halt and asked him if the object that 439 00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:28.760 he saw hovered over nuclear storage facility, and he confirmed that he thought it 440 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:35.079 did. I can't I can't relate another story that out of Aviano Air Force 441 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.159 Base, Italy, and this, let's see, I'm trying to remember, 442 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:47.320 happened probably in the late seventies, but it is a NATO air base and 443 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:58.599 had nuclear nuclear weapons stored at the base. And there were confirmed witnesses, 444 00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:04.400 a couple of them, that told about an object flying over the weapons storage 445 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:12.679 area and actually shining a beam of light over the storage area. This is 446 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:19.719 document actually move On has has documented this in one of the magazines. I 447 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:23.960 get the information also from Jerry Rawls. I don't know if that name means 448 00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:30.000 anything to you, but Jerry Rawls was head of move On in the state 449 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:37.679 of Washington for a period of time, and he actually interviewed the witnesses for 450 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:44.559 this and wrote an extensive article about it. But there again nuclear weapons, 451 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.679 UFO comes over, shines the light on them and flies away. I mean 452 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.400 it's it's just a message. It was nothing more than that. I mean, 453 00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:59.199 I think that's one thing that we can definitely grasp. I mean, 454 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.679 that's the well is so enigmatic in what they're doing, who they are, 455 00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.119 what's going on. But I think that is one thing that we can definitely 456 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:13.039 really get a hold of, is that there's a definite interest in our nuclear 457 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.639 sites. I mean you've documented that, and so as Hastings, which is 458 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:27.039 really interesting. Yeah, Hastings also has witnesses that were at nuclear test sites. 459 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.679 I don't want to take away his thunder because I think you want to 460 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.639 have as a guest later on. Well, we're out of time. Thanks 461 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:37.239 for being on the show. UFO and newts is Robert Hastings. But you 462 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:43.000 can get Faded Giant, which is Robert's book on this subject, and you 463 00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.440 also talked about getting information on the press conference at UFO Hastings dot com. 464 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.360 Thank you so much for being on the show. My pleasure. Yeah, 465 00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.719 we'll definitely have you on in the future, and thanks for all of your 466 00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.280 support and everything you've done in the being so brave to come out out and 467 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.000 talk about this. By the way, I just signed up for Open Mind's 468 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.239 magazine Great. It's a great magazine, so hopefully you'll like it. And 469 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:13.360 actually you wrote a review in our second issue I did, yeah, so 470 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.119 it was a great review on the Phoenix Lights documentary that they had on TV 471 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:20.239 the other day, so thanks for that. I want to tell people we're 472 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:24.280 going to have Michael Luckman, remember rock Stars and UFOs next week. That 473 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:30.320 is Monday at nine pm, So just a few days from now we'll be 474 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.320 on the air again with Michael Luckman. It'll be a lot of fun, 475 00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:42.199 so listen in and thanks for listening to Open Minds Radio. Keep fugging the 476 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.559 smooth so much.