WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.160 View. Chili Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet Window dot Com and listeners like you 2 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:16.559 and Now and Now O medio Ya November four, twenty twenty three. Allegedly, 3 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.440 according to that thing we call a calendar and guess what, this is 4 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:23.559 the O'Kelly effect. Just like that little quick noise told you at the beginning 5 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:27.120 of the show, we are live on the stream and it's at an odd 6 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:31.160 time of day here on a Saturday, which I don't usually broadcast on anymore. 7 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:35.280 Anyway. I'm not trying to rhyme. It's just happening, all right. 8 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.840 Anyways, I got puppies over on the side, So if you hear 9 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:42.479 little scree squeaks and stuff, I can't help it. But that's not the 10 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.359 feature for the show today, guys. And we're also recording videos, so 11 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:50.399 if you're seeing us on Rumble rockfin whatever, Hi, you're getting a look 12 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.759 at my face and you're gonna look at a couple other guys too, and 13 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:57.679 we're gonna have some fun talking about the JFK assassination for a couple of minutes 14 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:03.439 and the upcoming conference between the seven venteenth and the nineteenth of November in Dallas, 15 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:07.920 Texas at the Lorenzo Hotel. I keep wanting to say Motel Hotel, 16 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:14.879 the Lorenzo Hotel. There the seventeenth through the nineteenth JFK Lancer November in Dallas, 17 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.920 and yeah, I will be the MC there, introducing people in the 18 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.319 breakout room, et cetera, et cetera. Still looking at whether I'm going 19 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.799 to do a live broadcast, but we shall see two other guys involved in 20 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.920 this particular event and also involved in the case when it comes to JFK are 21 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.200 with me today. Damn it, there's that rhyman thing again. Anyways, 22 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:40.879 Rob Clark, the guy from The Lone Gunman, and Hey, Doug Campbell 23 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.280 with us. Now. Doug is a little more of a rare quantity because 24 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:46.840 I don't think. I don't think, Doug, you've been on my show 25 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.319 yet, have you? I'd never had, no, sir, No, 26 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:55.480 see not. Rob has joined us for JFK myth shows. He's brought some 27 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:00.280 of the cool stuff l Ron Hubbard and all that madness onto an old myths 28 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:02.840 show. I love it. Loads of fun and by the way, the 29 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:07.439 myths are coming back around and who knows what's being challenged. Hey, I'm 30 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:12.039 gonna be in the same room with a prayer man guy actually in Dallas anyway, 31 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.639 But I won't be nowhere near Judy unless we decide to invader conference and 32 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:20.439 see if we can sell wall Brown's books outside of her hotel, which we 33 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.960 might do. Judith very Baker, in her own words, I'm not copies 34 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.199 of those, Oh wow, yeah, I'm gonna have a case of those. 35 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:29.280 Copies of those in Dallas, by the way. Some I might give 36 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:32.439 away for supporters. Some I might offer to sell to somebody if you really 37 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.960 want one, and we might offer to sell them to some Judy fans outside 38 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.919 of her conference. We're thinking about a way to pull that off anyhow. 39 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:44.639 It is what it is, So let's get to it. The lone Gunman, 40 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.639 Dallas action, quick hits, and the O'Kelly effect all on one show, 41 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.000 and I'm gonna shut up real soon. Rob. First, Let's start 42 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:53.879 with you, man, how you doing. Haven't talked to you in a 43 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.719 while, you know, I am, by the way talking to Carmine again, 44 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.759 just so you know, you and I had a little back and forth 45 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:05.159 regarding Carmine. He's feeling better and he's been back on my show recently, 46 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.159 so you know, just to clear that up, because people had questions about 47 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:14.840 that the last time that you and I talked. So yeah, yeah, 48 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.400 Now I've been good man, just staying busy, staying with the show. 49 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.199 He banged the show out, doing some research in the background of things. 50 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.599 I've been talking to Carmine as well. He's gonna be coming on the Lone 51 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:30.520 Gum in December. It's good to see him back. We're gonna piss off 52 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:38.479 some Australians and see see how he's doing. But yeah, looking forward to 53 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.000 it. Bringing the old gang back together, right and a good thing. 54 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:45.639 He's going to be making a presentation at Lancer too, and so are you. 55 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.039 So can you give us a little preview about who the Martins are before 56 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:53.120 I get over to Doug and talk to him some too. But can you 57 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.520 give us a little preview about that, because that's the way I see it 58 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.319 listed on their site, something having to do with the Martin So are we 59 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.319 talking about the witnesses to the assassination or are we talking about somebody else? 60 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:08.400 Who are we talking about? Uh? It was just a very generic, 61 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.560 vague title to the presentation. I guess you would call it. You know, 62 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:20.000 we just we stumbled upon a pattern and something we noticed with things or 63 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:29.279 people associated with the assassination with the name JA first name Jay or middle name 64 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.800 J. Martin, not not F. Martin, not P. Martin, 65 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.920 not you know, L. Martin, just J. Martin. And we 66 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:45.160 came across thirty of these people, and so we started doing some deep dives 67 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:50.639 on some certain ones because some of them are just ancillary uh characters, their 68 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:58.720 coincidences there, you know, things like Oswald's principal at Beauregard was a was 69 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.399 a was a John G. Mar Martin, and you know, like the 70 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:08.120 guy that took Marina and her family in is James Herbert Martin. We have 71 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.199 we have two John Martin's who filmed films related to the assassination, one in 72 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:18.000 Dealey Plaza and one of Oswald in New Orleans and Walker's House. Wasn't we 73 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.600 just wasn't we just? Uh? Yeah? Wasn't there a Martin on the 74 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:25.439 DCA group to the Dallas Cinema Associates. Wasn't their guy named Martin there? 75 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.120 Or am I mistaken? Yeah? That's one of the guys that did a 76 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.120 Dally Plaza film. He was That was John Martin Junior. He worked at 77 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:38.439 the Postal Annex building there with Harry Holmes, and uh, yeah, yeah, 78 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.560 he was. He was definitely one of them small small world. So, 79 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:44.040 Doug, were you you were involved in this too? I mean, 80 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:46.360 were you part of the genesis of this one? It was like, holy 81 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.000 crap, why do we have so many people named Martin and in fact with 82 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:54.399 the first letter jay here like in this nexus? Were you involved in the 83 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:56.959 initial part of it? Because that's usually the kind of thing that I know, 84 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:00.959 Rob just sort of finds all the time. I don't know, in 85 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.560 the way his mind works, it's just the way it is. But I 86 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:06.279 mean, were you involved in the beginning of this too? No? Actually, 87 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:13.600 we unless not really, people would be surprised. I think that Rob 88 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:17.079 and I communicate every day, several times a day, but how little we 89 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:26.240 actually communicate about research. You know, it's always other things. He's got 90 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.399 of got his circle and I got mine. But no, this is we've 91 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:34.959 both been very interested and very intrigued by the possibilities and the things that are 92 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:42.639 suggested by the John T. Martin film for years, you know, and 93 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.639 I think that was probably part of the genesis. But Robin, I've been 94 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.639 discussing that for a decade now. You know that that's probably a very important 95 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.680 there's no coincidence what that film's about. But now, man, this is 96 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.399 Rob's project, dude, him and his buddy, him and his research partner 97 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.279 Joe BURRELLI put this together, right. I was going to mention that is 98 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:06.319 that actually Joe Brelli is listed there on the presentation for the Martins thing, 99 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:11.639 and I don't know Joe BURRELLI, you know again, I know it sounds 100 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.279 crazy, but I don't listen to everybody's podcasts and I don't necessarily keep track 101 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.759 of everybody's research because I usually got my head in my own circle of nonsense, 102 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.680 so you know, it's hard to pull it out sometimes, you know 103 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:27.040 about this? Yeah, I know that's awfully suggestive, but anyway, yeah, 104 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.759 good. Uh but Brelli, I don't know him, So I mean, 105 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:31.360 could could one of you guys give me an idea about you know who 106 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.600 Joe is? And uh, you know again, apologies. Maybe I should 107 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.040 have heard of him by now, but I haven't. And we actually met 108 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:44.759 Joe. He was emailing quick hits, okay, with investigatory leads, you 109 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:49.000 know, we would get suddenly he was a listener, and he would email 110 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:54.360 and it would be three four, five paragraphs log of just great information, 111 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.439 you know, fantastic research. Eks. Yeah, so I hooked up with 112 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:01.639 him and and you know, he kind of noticed this pattern of of of 113 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:07.959 you know, the Jay Martin deal. So we just kind of hooked up 114 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.680 and for the past year and a half we've been diving really hard into a 115 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.279 lot of these different uh Martin's is associated with the assassination and found some new 116 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.920 information, uh, some relative revelatory if you want to call it that information 117 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:26.079 on some of these guys. Of course, for the Lancer presentation, we 118 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.040 couldn't go you know, balls out for it because we only have an hour, 119 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.080 So you know, we picked a couple and and and hit some highlights 120 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:41.320 of them, and then moving forward after Lancer on the Lone Cooming podcast, 121 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.440 we're gonna be taking it live on YouTube and we're gonna be going in depth 122 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.440 and doing in depth shows on this stuff until we run out of material. 123 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.720 But just for instance, you know, like I could do an hour just 124 00:08:52.759 --> 00:09:01.159 looking at John T. Martin at the University of Minnesota in nineteen sixty eight 125 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:05.919 when he was meeting with Schoener and Wiseberg. Because the providence of the John 126 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.559 T. Martin film, it's very interesting Chuck. So if you go to 127 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.240 the sixth Floor Museum, that's really the only place that you can find it 128 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.399 online. And apparently this guy, John T. Martin turned his film over 129 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.200 to Gary Mack in two thousand and seven, and it was under the auspices 130 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:28.639 that he never be contacted again and nobody could ever give out his contact information. 131 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.120 Okay, So add and he thought this guy thought he was handing Gary 132 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:41.039 Mack his original film that he took in nineteen sixty three. But what's interesting 133 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.559 about the film that's at the sixth Floor Museum now is it has a date 134 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.559 code stamped on the film. And the date code is nineteen seventy seven. 135 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:54.679 Wow, Okay, which means that somebody at the HSCA made a copy of 136 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:00.200 this film and gave the copy back to John T. Martin, and then 137 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.159 he kept the original. You know, the original is not in Nara at 138 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.600 all. You know this is familiar. Guys, think about our friend Gail 139 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:13.480 Nicks Jackson there you go and the Knicks fill. We have no idea where 140 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.519 the camera original is. Nobody knows. See now there are a bunch of 141 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.639 filings right now. That's the thing, Doug. You know, maybe you 142 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.919 could list a couple more for listeners out there that don't necessarily realize, and 143 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.600 they're probably going, well, what the hell's the difference if you've got a 144 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.159 copy or you got the original. Believe me, there is an importance to 145 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.919 this and a pattern in the evidence. I'm telling the listeners this, not 146 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.879 you guys. You guys know this. But the thing is, there's this 147 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.639 pattern of, gee, we don't know if these things are the original prints. 148 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:46.200 So that leads us to wonder what happened to all the originals? First 149 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.120 of all, it leads us to wonder, and in a lot of cases, 150 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:52.679 sometimes the HSCA is involved, so you got government agencies involved. But 151 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.919 in other cases it's a weird story. I talked to I haven't talked to 152 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.240 Gale in some years, but I love book, I love the quest for 153 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.879 the film. Obviously I still support her whether she wants to talk to me 154 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.720 or not, whatever the cause is there, But I mean, it's a 155 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.559 weird thing where they don't know where her grandfather's film is, and she's not 156 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:18.320 the only one. There are many films, right, so Doug, maybe 157 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.360 give people an idea about a couple other films that have also kind of you 158 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.480 know, gone in weird places. I can think of the most famous example 159 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.759 that I still question and it's not because I think the film is fabricated. 160 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:33.720 No, No, not going there, But I am saying that even the 161 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:39.080 Zubruter film, if you take a look at what is extent at the National 162 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.759 Archives, it is questionable as to whether that is anywhere near the original because 163 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:48.200 of the strange markings on the film. And this is a pattern that has 164 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.919 recurred with all these films. Go ahead and tell us the Zupruter film. 165 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.759 Man, Me and Rob saw something crazy in DC a few years ago. 166 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.120 I can't even remember what were the names Rob, the people that were in 167 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.759 this thing. Uh, I couldn't I couldn't even tell you. Sydney and 168 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:09.159 somebody, somebody or somebody, but they were they referred to as the Hollyday 169 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.080 Yeah, Hollywood group. Okay, I'm familiar with, all right, yeah, 170 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.080 yeah yeah. And we saw some uh what they you know, alleged 171 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.960 to be some of their preliminary work on the Suprudor film. And then you 172 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.399 know, me and Rob, well we walked away from there that night and 173 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.039 I was like, man, if that's real, that's crazy. Yeah, 174 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.360 that uh it looked like a black sharpie attack. Now what somebody said that 175 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:35.759 night rob the back, Yeah, the back of the head specifically, right, 176 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:39.440 is it's like crazy, it's so dark, it doesn't look natural. 177 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.120 Uh. And here's the thing about that is where is their work right now? 178 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.200 Because I haven't seen it publicly displayed? You do you guys even know 179 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.240 where that is? No clue, no clue, man. They never came 180 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.440 out like once a year we were like wow, man, another year we 181 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.600 never heard anything about that, you know, and everybody that was that was 182 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.360 at that conference we went to was very excited about it, you know, 183 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.759 and it certainly had us intrigued whether there's anything to do in years ago. 184 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.279 Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, whether if there's anything to it 185 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.200 or not. It certainly had us kind of like wow, right. Yeah. 186 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.080 The first time I heard about this is when Doug Horn put out that 187 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.679 five volume set, right, and he mentioned that there were people that were 188 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.720 working on this and they were film professionals. And meanwhile, again, folks, 189 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.720 you the listeners out there, again, this is one film. It 190 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.960 is the biggest one, it is the most well known one. But this 191 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.000 is just one example of the strangeness that's gone on here. Where people have 192 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.559 gone to study these things, and even the study groups seem to I don't 193 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.919 know what happened, you know, it's just kind of poof. You don't 194 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:46.080 even know what happens to these things. And eventually, like you guys said, 195 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:48.879 you're looking at a film. The guy thinks he's turning over his film. 196 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.840 But what was returned by the HSCA. I mean, whether it's the 197 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.919 nixt film or the Pascal film, or it's you know, and any of 198 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.519 them, any of them. It seems like people have handled these things and 199 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.559 who knows where the hell all the originals are now. It's crazy, isn't 200 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679 it. Who knows? Who knows how many disappeared that we, like the 201 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.279 research community or the public never knew about. Have you ever heard the story 202 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.200 of the guy named Robert Croft? It's a familiar go ahead, tell us, 203 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:22.399 yeah. Robert Croft lived in Denver, Colorado, and he was a 204 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.879 missionary and he was a photography like an a photography. It's sort of like 205 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.879 an amateur photographer, aboff, you know, hobbyist, and he was doing 206 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:35.600 missionary work. Walk Brown, doctor Walt Brown, actually writes about this, 207 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.639 and we talked about it a couple of times but that's that's where I must 208 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:43.919 have read about it before. Go ahead, Yeah. Yeah. So he's 209 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.480 doing missionary work in the Ozark Mountains, like Oklahoma, you know that area. 210 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:54.320 And he's on the train and he gets off the train in Dallas and 211 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.720 there's like a lay over there at the train station, and he asked, 212 00:14:56.759 --> 00:15:01.600 what's what's all the hubbub? Right, Well, the President's gonna come by. 213 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:05.840 Oh great, I'll take some pictures. And this is according to Croft. 214 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:09.039 He goes down to d Lee Plaza, short walk, you know, 215 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:15.519 okay, and he takes three to four photographs and he's pretty sure he got 216 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:20.480 the headshot, right, okay, and all the pandemonium happens. He looks 217 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.759 at his watch, Oh shit, I'm gonna miss the train, runs back 218 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.320 to the train station, jumps on the train, goes home to Denver, 219 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.679 right, and within twenty four hours there's a knock on his door. You 220 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:39.679 know, got a military uniform. We need your film, right, thank 221 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.039 you very much, you'll get it back. He never got it back, 222 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:48.600 you know, but according to Croft, you know, how did that all? 223 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:50.919 I went straight to the train. I went straight to a train and 224 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.399 jumped on a train and got off the train. Station at home and went 225 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:00.360 home. And doctor Brown says, unless somebody jumped on that train with him 226 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.159 and followed him out of Daley Plasma, you know, there's no way that's 227 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.440 going to happen. But I agree with doctor Brown. That's a hell of 228 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:08.879 a story, you know, is it true? I don't know. Well, 229 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.799 you know it's weird, you know, pay from craft. But you 230 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.519 know, where's his film? What's on his film? Right? Well, 231 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.840 there was a bunch of pictures there. There's also the story of a couple 232 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:22.519 of ladies who went and had stuff developed at a drug store and they told 233 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.720 him the pictures didn't come out, they walked away. You know, there's 234 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.360 stuff like that. I'm wondering if this guy got on the same train that 235 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.639 the military intelligence guy got on, because remember that whole story, the guy 236 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.120 Powell that we've always asked about, like why the hell was he there? 237 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.960 Why does he have a picture of the school book depository? Part he was 238 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.960 in the school book depository? Yeah, and you know part of his story. 239 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:48.600 Wasn't part of his story that he jumped right on a train and left 240 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.000 town. Also, wasn't he one of those guys who did that? Is 241 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.039 that I don't recall. Yeah, I'm like I'm saying, but you see, 242 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:57.960 but this is the weird thing about it is there are so many stories 243 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.039 of films that have seemed to have disappeared. Now again, I'm not on 244 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.000 board with the people that say, you know, all this stuff was altered 245 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.240 and all that, but they had a hell of a dragnet out there where 246 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:12.920 they seem to capture a whole lot of films. And today none of us, 247 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.160 as far as I know, has a hold of the original films, 248 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.680 not even Robert Groden, who, as you know, probably one of the 249 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:23.400 best collections or had one of the best collections, or whoever else. I 250 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.440 don't you know, not making comments here, I'm just saying he's one of 251 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.640 the guys who brought most of those films to us in the eighties, even 252 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.359 on home video, right, and even his films he had earlier copies of 253 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:38.200 this than that black and white version of something that was broadcast on TV. 254 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:42.079 I think the much more film right, bunch of different things he had that 255 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.920 nobody else had, and yet he doesn't have the originals. And he worked 256 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:52.400 for the HSCA. See what I mean. The reason it's important, like 257 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.039 the Martin film and the Knicks film, you know, is that if we 258 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.519 don't have the original, we can't trust that what we're looking at is the 259 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:04.200 truth, right, yeah, because there are anomalies, you know, like, 260 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.039 yeah, see, it's not about alteration. Now. A lot of 261 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.240 people would go, well, oh, you guys are gonna get on the 262 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:12.920 alteration track. You don't even need to go there, because Rob, you 263 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:18.359 and I both know that the original prints of those films are literally going to 264 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:25.200 contain some information that the copies will not have. There's a bit more detail 265 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:29.119 in there. It's not a small thing like oh what, you definitely get 266 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:32.960 the right color. No, it's not about the color. There's literally information 267 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.880 that can be drawn out of chemical prints of film that I think a lot 268 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.680 of people don't recognize anymore because it's a pass a thing. I mean, 269 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:45.119 nobody uses chemical film anymore. Everything is digital now, right, so nobody 270 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.559 even thinks of this. But I mean, Rob, maybe you could give 271 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:52.480 people an appreciation for why it's so important to get these originals and the type 272 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:56.880 of information. Literally, we could take measurements out of some of those films 273 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.119 and get a three dimensional understanding out of the two dimensional image. I think 274 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.200 people don't understand how that works with this guy stuff. What do you think 275 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:10.039 about that, Rob, Well, like just the John T. Martin film 276 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:18.119 for example, you know one of the big things with Wisberg and Schoener who 277 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.799 were there at the time that met with John T. Martin at the University 278 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:26.920 of Minnesota, who got copies of his movie straight from him, right they 279 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:33.559 would They asserted that Martin thought because Martin turned voluntarily turned his film over to 280 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:40.200 the FBI in December of nineteen sixty three because it contained Oswald, and he 281 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.160 felt that when he got his film back at the end of January in nineteen 282 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:49.920 sixty four, that it had been edited and that part of the film was 283 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:56.400 also captured on film by another family called the Doyle family, who were in 284 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:00.519 New Orleans at the same time and who happened to catch this street fright between 285 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:07.279 Carlos Brenier and Oswald. And interestingly enough, they said, because there was 286 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.640 multiple members of their family there, that there was somebody else there with Oswald 287 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:18.559 wearing a placard and handing out these fair Play for Cuba Committee leaflets that was 288 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.960 not in the film, like there was somebody with him. And they also 289 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.920 turned their film over to the FBI and also felt that the film that they 290 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:34.440 got back had been edited to remove this person. So that becomes a big 291 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:40.599 question, you know. And then later on in the seventies and eighties, 292 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:45.200 when you read descriptions like Out of John Woods, the third book about the 293 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:52.759 films and photos, you know, it says something about it contains pictures of 294 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:57.880 the bullet hole in General Walker's wall. Okay, you know, above the 295 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:02.039 desk where he was sitting. But in the film that we have today at 296 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:07.119 the six or Flour Museum, that is not in there. So there's questions 297 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:14.359 about why things are missing. And it's important, you know, when you're 298 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:18.279 trying to figure the stuff like this out, because okay, like we did 299 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.039 a deep dive into John T. Martin and who this guy was, right, 300 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:29.000 and we dispelled some myths surrounding who people thought he was. And you 301 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:32.000 know, if you have shots of the interior of General Walker's house, that 302 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.200 means you were in his house, right, So this ride seventeen year old 303 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:38.440 kid was in his house. So if you're in General Walker's house, you 304 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:45.960 talking to the man? Yeah, okay, Now, how conversation normally goes 305 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:51.119 between people, So you're visiting someone, you're meeting them for the first time. 306 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:56.359 We figured that they probably had corresponded before since they were both part of 307 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.359 the Mini Men organization. And this kid looked up to General Walker and he 308 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.680 knew he was going to Dallas on a family vacation, so he was probably 309 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:07.119 writing with General Walker. Decided to let him know, Hey, you know, 310 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.640 I like to come meet you. Blah blah blah. So he went 311 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:14.640 to meet him. Walker took him in his house. They had a conversation. 312 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.799 Maybe the kids said, oh, yeah, we're going to New Orleans 313 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.839 next. Oh you are, well, why don't you look up my buddy, 314 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.480 SAME's guy Banister when you get there. You know, he's a min 315 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:30.720 and men as well. He's got similar right wing attitudes and beliefs, right, 316 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.960 you know. And maybe when he this kid got to New Orleans, 317 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.519 Banish said, hey, you know what too, me a favorite since she 318 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:38.720 got to that movie camera, why don't you head over there and tape this 319 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.000 guy. There's gonna be a big old fight over there. You won't want 320 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.920 to miss it. Well, you know, hold on something like that, 321 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:51.799 because the odds of this happening on the same role of film right utanically is 322 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:53.599 like a gazillion to one. Well, that's where I was going to ask 323 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.039 you about. Is you know, first of all, this is pretty crazy 324 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:59.519 to put because these you know, it's not like the days when we had 325 00:22:59.559 --> 00:23:03.200 BHS camp quarters and you could record several hours on a tape. You're talking 326 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:07.000 about something where you had like, you know what, what's the maximum they 327 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.200 had back then? Twenty five minutes maybe? Is that what? Maybe back 328 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.720 then maximum and a lot of films were shorter than that. Your spools a 329 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.880 film that you bought number one, number two. The type of relationship you 330 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:22.440 got to have with somebody to have a camera and filming in their house in 331 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:29.640 the nineteen sixties, it's not nobody. Yeah, somebody like Walker who right, 332 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.960 people are taking potshots at him, you know, right, he's incited 333 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:37.519 race riots, such a polarizing figure. He's just gonna let anybody in his 334 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.680 house to film. Yeah, that's what you're saying. That's why I loved 335 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.799 what Greg Dudina did with this recently, where he was tracking down some stuff. 336 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:48.240 I'm sure you guys are aware of that, right about the Walkers shooting 337 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:51.519 and figuring out about the cars that were seeing that were present there and stuff. 338 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.960 Have you guys looked at you. Yeah, he'll be another guy presenting 339 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.960 at Lancer too, by the way, But and I'm looking forward. I've 340 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.240 actually been asked to be on the Walker panel, which is funny, but 341 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.319 I plan to just kind of help run that. But anyways, it's just 342 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.319 there, there are so many unanswered questions, and even if you just stay 343 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.519 on the films, which, by the way, here's another thing. The 344 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.440 youngest presenter ever at one of these places, at any of these conferences I've 345 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.880 ever seen, is going to be there too. I don't know if you 346 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.960 guys are aware of that guy. His name is Alex Harris. Harris, 347 00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:30.920 Yes, well, he told me that he's I think his presentation, part 348 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.319 of it is going to be on the DCA, the Dallas Cinema Associates film 349 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.359 which this all kind of links together. Now, nobody planned this, by 350 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:41.119 the way, guys, I know that nobody. You know, listeners are 351 00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:42.839 going, what do these guys all get together and plan this? It seems 352 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:48.599 to me like everybody had their own separate agendas and they're sort of coming together 353 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.319 in a weird way. There's a couple of subsets of presentations here, So 354 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.680 I don't know if you were aware of that. Guys. But yes, 355 00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.960 it's hilarious, juke. I'm on the I'm on the Walker panel as well. 356 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.440 Excellent you and I together. Yeah, And I've been working with Alex 357 00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:07.759 for a couple of months, you know, behind the scenes with questions about 358 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.799 films, because, believe it or not, for a thirteen year old kid, 359 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:18.480 he is very knowledgeable on films and cameras and stuff from that period, 360 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.920 you know. And you know, we were trying to figure out because when 361 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.039 we looked at the John T. Martin film itself and you actually look and 362 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:32.799 see what's on there, it cuts from a statue in Lafayette Park right in 363 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:37.359 New Orleans to the street fight on Canal Street. So if you open up 364 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:41.759 a map and you look and you see where Lafayette Park is, it is 365 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.839 eight or nine blocks up Decatur Street, okay, away from the corner of 366 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:52.000 Decaturing Canal, which is where Brignier's store was. The Habana Bar was a 367 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:59.119 couple of doors down from that. And the myth was that, you know, 368 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.640 this kid heard this commotion going on on the next street over and ran 369 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.400 over and and you know, captured this moment on film of Oswald in the 370 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:14.119 street fight. But the last clip on his reel of film is eight or 371 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.599 nine blocks away from the corner. And then once you turned that corner of 372 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:21.559 Canal, you got to go up another three or four blocks to where this 373 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.119 street frack has actually happened. Okay, so there's no way he could have 374 00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.720 heard it from thirteen blocks away, you know what I mean? It seems 375 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:33.480 like very credible. Did he Yeah, it doesn't seem very credible. Did 376 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:37.039 he just happened to wander up there? I mean, right without gun without 377 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.359 gun shots being fired, I'm not thinking my attention is going to be pulled 378 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.079 that far away what you're describing eight or nine blocks in New Orleans. I 379 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:45.839 mean, if there were gun shots, maybe I might hear gun I'm hearing 380 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.000 a pop over there, you know what I mean, and I could go 381 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.000 down. I could see my attention being drawn. But another thing about this 382 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.400 is do we know exactly what kind of camera he had? Are we certain 383 00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.640 about the type of camera? Uh? And therefore, you know, did 384 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.319 he have to wind it? Do we know about the mechanism? You know, 385 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:06.519 what kind of shape it was in or anything like that, because this 386 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.440 could also explain why some of the cuts look the way they do in some 387 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.599 of the films. And Alex by the way, for the record, is 388 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:17.119 extremely knowledgeable, more knowledgeable actually on the films and things than a lot of 389 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.839 people that I know that have written part of their books based on it, 390 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.319 to be honest with you. And yeah, indeed, by the time we 391 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.759 do the by the time we do the conference, he'll be fourteen. And 392 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.160 look, I'm very critical of people calling themselves experts or even presenting themselves as 393 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.359 to have a level of knowledge to be worth your time. Okay, this 394 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.319 is I'm a little rough on people. Alex is Man is qualified to do 395 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:47.200 this to my satisfaction based on what my interactions with him. I'm sure Rob 396 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.039 you would agree. Yes, it's a rare situation anyway. I just wanted 397 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:52.240 to get that real clear because I had him as a guest on my show. 398 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.839 I think I'm the first person to put him on as a podcast guest 399 00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:00.799 and going to be happy to hear from him again in the future. Extremely 400 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.720 interesting work. I can't wait to see what he does with the DCA film. 401 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.240 Anyway. I know I went into a little thing there and I cut 402 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.319 you off. But we're gonna get done with this pretty soon, and I 403 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:15.400 want to get around to a couple of things real fast. Rob is going 404 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.200 to be presenting on pre recorded presentation, but Doug and I will be present 405 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.519 at the Lancer conference. So, like you just said, we're both gonna 406 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.200 be sitting on the Walker panel. I'm just hoping to help control the situation 407 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:33.079 a little bit because my knowledge on it is okay, but it's not up 408 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.839 to an expert level. I would not try to do a Walker presentation all 409 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.279 by myself, not as either you know, yeah, go ahead. I 410 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.079 was gonna say, He's always been a focal point for me, you know, 411 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:51.000 an interest of mine Walker, But I wouldn't I wouldn't call myself an 412 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:57.559 expert by any means any stretch. Our friend David Boylan, who is a 413 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.000 really good friend of mine, He's gonna be on the panel as well. 414 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.680 And uh, don't be surprised, David, if I just defer to you 415 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.960 a lot, Sorry, buddy, David Boylan will be presenting with Larry Hancock, 416 00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.319 uh at another at another point, not just on the Walker panel boiling 417 00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.359 He'll be y yeah right, so, uh, and we all know if 418 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.799 you're presenting with Larry Hancock, you've got something to say. Uh. So 419 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:26.160 I believe The presentation is called Entangling Oswald, and I think it's Friday night. 420 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.880 David is doing a solo presentation on the audio incident Sylvia Odio and uh 421 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:37.039 the Leon Oswald thing as well that night, right, which which I know 422 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.559 was something that fascinated Rob for quite a while. Uh, the Oudio thing 423 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.440 for a bit. I don't know how long your fascination was with it, 424 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.640 but it seemed to me like you kind of got stuck on that for a 425 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.200 bit. I don't know what you know, if you know anything about what's 426 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.720 what's going to be presented there, but that's always an interesting story regarding Sylvia 427 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:57.319 Odio. Also, just a really quick announcement for everybody is I'll be the 428 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:03.000 uh, I'll be the future guest on Coast to Coast AM on the eighteenth, 429 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.359 so that Saturday night, in the middle of the conference. Sadly, 430 00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.359 I was hoping to get on there before the conference so I could promote it, 431 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:11.559 you know, and not just say hey, come down on Sunday and 432 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:15.880 see the rest of it. But I'm gonna be on Coast to Coast AM 433 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.160 from ten to midnight Pacific time. I think that's for how they have me 434 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:25.359 booked as the JFK guest that night, Richard Sarah will be interviewing me, 435 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.079 so well, very cool man, very cool. That's awesome, But I 436 00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:32.000 keep any time I do a JFK show. Now I want to announce that 437 00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.039 to let people know because I'd really love it if you guys were among the 438 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:38.319 people listening. I'm sure some callers are going to break my balls and I'm 439 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.640 ready for it. Let's go, because they never had a JFK related guest 440 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:48.079 like me before. I promise you that. So anyway, enough out of 441 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.480 me and what I'm trying to promote with the last couple of minutes here, 442 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:53.440 I want you guys to, you know, not only plug your shows, 443 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.119 which as far as I know, you guys have three of them all together, 444 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:03.039 between The Lone Gunmen, the Dallas Action and the Quick Hits, and 445 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.720 uh maybe we should. I mean, my listeners should be familiar with Rob. 446 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.839 But I'll give you guys links in the show description to go check out 447 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:12.880 the Loan Gunman, to go check out Dallas Action and Quick Hits one way 448 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.599 or another. Plus, I've actually got some T shirts that that have all 449 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:22.920 three of the show's logos on them that I had printed that this is I'm 450 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.759 gonna have some of those at the conference. I got one hit out Rob 451 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.599 already too. And I know there's a couple of you that that that told 452 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.799 me you wanted them, that you're gonna be at the conference, then you're 453 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.359 gonna be able to get one because Sulso got the conference listed on it limited 454 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.480 run and I got all big sizes for everybody, so just so you know, 455 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.000 because I need a stupid at least the two or three X just to 456 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.359 long Torso, and I'm not exactly a lightweight, so you know I need 457 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.880 the big shirt. I figure everybody can use the big shirt, and worse 458 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:53.359 comes the worse, give it to your girlfriend, let her use it as 459 00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:59.839 a night count. Anyways, it's We're gonna definitely do this. It's gonna 460 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:01.640 be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to meeting with Doug because I 461 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.000 don't think I've ever met Doug face to face. I don't think we've ever 462 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.319 run into each other anywhere, and I don't think so, man, No, 463 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.920 huh, gonna be A's gonna be a lot of people I'm running into 464 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.200 for the first time, and it's gonna be good to see Larry Hancock Man 465 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.279 it's gonna be a lot of fun. Homie I happen to know and Rob 466 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.880 and I talked about this on the quick Hits we recorded earlier. In in 467 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.119 person, there's gonna be a lot of people took. In person attendance is 468 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.160 sold out. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, completely sold out. 469 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.720 Literally, they sold every ticket that the hotel and fire Marshall would allow it. 470 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.960 So if you want tickets to see Lancer, you're gonna have to go 471 00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:49.720 to Assassination Conference dot com and get the video presentation. Nice nice virtual attendance. 472 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.559 And guys, they do stream the conference. You can watch it from 473 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.279 the comfort of your own home. There's a feed for that. Uh, 474 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.559 there's a stream at once and that think there's another level. It's like a 475 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:07.960 twenty dollars more something. You can have access to the presentations online for thirty 476 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.440 days and then there's a premium level I believe where you get you know, 477 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.440 you can download him, but check it out. There's gonna be a lot 478 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.160 a lot going on at JFK Lancer November in Dallas twenty twenty three this year. 479 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.000 Like ra He's gonna be going on, Chuck, Chuck's gonna be going 480 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.200 on it's gonna be great, right, plus Doug Campbell. I mean again, 481 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.039 you don't get the three of us in one spot ever, so, 482 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.559 and we're really the side attractions. You got a whole bunch of people going 483 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.680 on here, a lot of interesting So I'm really anxious to see what Alex 484 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:43.079 is gonna bring to the table. I'm really anxious to see what David Boylin's 485 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.319 gonna do. We also got I think Jeff Morley is still slated to do 486 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:51.319 something. We got. I mean, please, we got all these guys 487 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.279 on there. There's a big list and definitely worth it. Now. I 488 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.839 wasn't aware it was sold out, thankfully. I've got a couple of reservations 489 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.920 for a couple of spots for people. Then I had to do that. 490 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:06.599 But here we are. Yeah, that just that just uh. I learned 491 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.239 that this week from some folks at Lancer and they're pretty excited about that, 492 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.360 which they should be. That's pretty neat, pretty good. Yeah, it's 493 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.320 gonna be great, gonna be a lot of fund a lot of a lot 494 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.800 of new stuff to learn, and uh, you know when else are you 495 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.880 gonna get it up? A photo op with the Ocelli effect and the Dallas 496 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:29.400 action in the same spot. I mean, how does that happen? Right 497 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.960 there? You go and you can definitely look. I I'll autograph whatever you 498 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.599 want to. And I'm also gonna have some books to give away a bunch 499 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.760 of things I'm gonna give away at the conference, uh for people that support 500 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:45.559 the show. Especially uh So, if you're there and you want to support 501 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.320 chip in, help me help me eat while I'm there for the weekend, 502 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.719 because I'm going in there probably with just enough money to get by. Uh 503 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.320 So you do that, I will hook you up. I got wall Brown's 504 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.360 book with me. I got a whole bunch of copies of those, which 505 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.960 is the Judithry Baker book. I've got books by Larry Hancock, books by 506 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:07.400 Michael Swanson, books by William Law, a bunch of people's books that you 507 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.679 would definitely want that I'm willing to hand you for just a little bit of 508 00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:15.559 support or hey, come by and say hello, So hey, you know 509 00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.800 here you go. You mentioned you mentioned Mike Swanson, and we would be 510 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.280 remiss if we didn't do this when we had an opportunity. You know, 511 00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:30.280 you and I chatting for the first time and Rob here to thank Wall Street 512 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:35.480 window. We share a title sponsor's right, and I want to take this 513 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.880 opportunity to make sure that to give all gratitude to Wall Street Window and Mike 514 00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:45.079 Swanson for all they do to keep the Dallas Action going, all the support 515 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:49.079 over the years in many many ways. I'm sure you feel the same way, 516 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.039 but I thought we would we need to take an opportunity to do that. 517 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.880 Thank you very much. Absolutely no, I can't can't say it enough 518 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:59.599 times and I say it all the time. There would be no o'celly effect 519 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.480 without Mike Swanson's support. Uh, And that's a guarantee. It's I you 520 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.519 know, I appreciate the listener support, but you guys have come and gone 521 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.960 some of you, uh, and Mike has been there for us and kept 522 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.760 us going. There was no way I would have survived doing this as long 523 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:21.559 as I have without Mike Swanson. His contributions intellectually and otherwise have kept this 524 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:22.920 thing going. That's why you hear it at the top of the show. 525 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.719 You know we're supported by Wall Street Window and listeners like you, which you 526 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.000 know that is absolutely true. And Mike is a listener. So also thanks 527 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.039 to Mike just for that. And I was a reader of his before he 528 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.719 was a sponsor and all that. I support his books because I believe in 529 00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:43.239 the way he writes the information he puts out and I'm looking forward to the 530 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.719 next book in his Vietnam series too, to be honest. And I'm not 531 00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.159 just saying that because he's a supporter. I told him, I said, 532 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.119 you know, Mike, if you send me a book and it sucks, 533 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.519 I'm gonna tell you it sucks, but me, some people might not. 534 00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.800 I'm I'm stupid, dude. Beyond that, though, I mean, let 535 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:07.440 me echo what you said. There would be no the Dallas action presented by 536 00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.119 Wall Street Window without Mike support, as you know, like you and uh, 537 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.800 hey, he's more than that. He's a friend, you know, 538 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.679 and he too will be at Lance from which I'm extremely excited about absolutely. 539 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.679 You know. Yeah, man, we get to we get to we'll make 540 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.320 a Wall Street window picture the three of us look with that. We should 541 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.320 definitely do that, uh you know we Yeah, we won't have Rob with 542 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:30.199 us, but we can, you know, get him on the screen there. 543 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.679 Somebody can hold up a laptop with him on it. Right, bottle 544 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.880 of hot sauce for me. They are gonna fix what I'm gonna do. 545 00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.639 I'm gonna get him on FaceTime and set him in the middle of it like 546 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.480 that. The seat next to me at the banquet excellent. Well, yeah, 547 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:49.159 we're all going to the banquet too. Anyway, Look the Dallas Action 548 00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.320 JFK quick hits. You can find all this stuff on Apple. I know 549 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.960 that that's an easily accessible if you want to get it on the top of 550 00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:00.119 Dallas Action, you won't no Dallas Action. What do you about old really? 551 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.840 Yeah, Hey, here's what I know. My my spreaker analytics always 552 00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:13.039 show hits on Apple, right, okay, but but then other people tell 553 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.679 me they can't find it on there, so I don't know. Okay, 554 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.679 Well, look the Lone Gunman. And by the way, I think The 555 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.079 Lone Gunman might exist without Mike Swanson because Rob's crazy. Uh. And I 556 00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:27.159 say that with love, Rob, just saying I'm here. You're nuts. 557 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.159 I love you. I love you. You're You're one of the craziest guys 558 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.400 that is a podcaster and is also highly intelligent. I love you. That's 559 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.440 all there is to do. I love this guy. Anyways, and I 560 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.840 know he'd exist and he'd be making noise regardless of who was around and even 561 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.440 if nobody listened to him, he'd still be doing it. So, uh, 562 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:49.599 but I know it's a very popular show I don't like, but go 563 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.679 ahead and tell people where they can find it, because I know, I 564 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:54.719 know we can get The Lone Gunman and Quick Hits on Apple for sure. 565 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.400 Uh, but go go ahead and tell them where they can get it, 566 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:00.840 Rob or you know, take a turn. Go ahead and tell us, 567 00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.880 Yeah, you can find my stuff anywhere you listen to podcasts. It is 568 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:08.440 literally everywhere, Like I want to know where you can't listen to me at 569 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:15.960 okay, on social media you can generally find me under the moniker at the 570 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:22.199 Loane gum and seven. Also head to the YouTube channel the Loan gum And 571 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:27.320 podcast make sure you subscribe and ring the bell to get notified. Because after 572 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.280 Lancer the show will be going live on YouTube. There will still be an 573 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.679 audio stream of course, coming out through spreaker, but the show is going 574 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.960 to be live once a week on YouTube and maybe more than that we will 575 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.440 see, but that's the plan for now for both shows, the Lone gum 576 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.280 And podcasts and also Quick Hits. You can find that on any feed anywhere, 577 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:53.920 right and look I'm hoping that you do well on YouTube. I got 578 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.679 my ass kicked off in there, but you know, I hope that they 579 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:02.639 do not kick you off. Tried do you already? And I haven't even 580 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.960 got on there yet. Wow. Yeah, I'm jumping through the hoops currently. 581 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.360 And they already with him, dude, They already inffing with him, 582 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.480 and he hadn't even started. Mirror your stuff on rumble or something. Man, 583 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.320 get it, get it rolling over there. Make sure you got you 584 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.079 got a plan. Okay, don't worry, because I did not like losing 585 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.519 mine after fifteen years of being on YouTube. I mean, I started a 586 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:30.000 channel in two thousand and eight, and they killed me finally and completely in 587 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.400 twenty twenty two, I think, you know, after demonetizing me, screwing 588 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.679 with me, taking away my channel, I got it back on a p 589 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:39.719 oh blah blah blah blah blah, and you know what, finally they put 590 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.639 me to complete rest and destroyed my channel, which had well over a thousand 591 00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:49.480 different pieces on it twenty twenty two. So don't let it happen to you. 592 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.119 Please mirror your stuff from them. Yeah, okay, anyways, guys, 593 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.119 look, I'm gonna close this out and again we're gonna give you the 594 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.519 links in the show notes so you can go and find And I just went 595 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.239 to go look to see Dallas Action on Apple because I could have swore I 596 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:02.920 saw it there, and guess what, it's not there. But it is 597 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.000 on Speaker. Uh, it is on Deezer. It is on Spotify. 598 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:12.519 Apparently. Let's see what else. There's a bunch of places parents Amazon, 599 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.599 it on Amazon Prime and Spotify and a lot of Spotify. And hey, 600 00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.159 Alexi played the Oh boy, hey Alexa play the Dallas Action. That'll work 601 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:30.360 that way, can you ask? Yeah? Well, now, now come 602 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.800 on, really, is is Alexa tiede to facial recognition? Because if that's 603 00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.159 the case, I'm in trouble. I got a face for radio. I 604 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.880 know it, Me too, man, me too. Now, Rob though, 605 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.960 look at it, beautiful bastard, look at it. Rob. Rob's 606 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.280 a movie star. What are you gonna do? He's uh what what? 607 00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:50.599 What movie is coming out with this guy's face? I'm telling you he's right 608 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.079 there. He's Liam Neeson's henchman in the next movie. Whatever the hell it 609 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.800 is? How about that? What do you say? Yeah? Either that 610 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:00.679 or he's going to be a new Marvel villain. I think I'm Marble villain. 611 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.960 He looks like a Marble Villain man. Our dynamic is that Gester to 612 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.239 his Marshall villain. That's our dynamic. That's how it works. Well, 613 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.840 there you have it, and I couldn't have said it any better. So 614 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.440 the Ocelli effect is done, guys, and so no matter who you are, 615 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.079 where you are, when you are. I want you to check out 616 00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:21.960 the Dallas Action, JFK Quick Hits and of course the Lone Gunman podcast. 617 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:23.440 But no matter who you are, where you are, when you are, 618 00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:28.199 remember this, I am nearly o'celly. Paul of you are add the effect. 619 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:29.360 Take care,