1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,759 Hello, Christina here before the episode starts, I do want to give a 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,199 trigger warning for my half of the episode, where I cover the Liberian Cult, 3 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:17,399 part one of the Liberian cults. But it is a religious cult, 4 00:00:17,559 --> 00:00:25,839 so there is mention of abusing children, forcing children to marry adults, violence, 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,039 I mean things like that, you know, things that come with the 6 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:31,079 cult typically. So if that is something you do not want to hear, 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,759 feel free to just listen to MJ's half or she has ghost stories, and 8 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:39,159 I mean skip my half if you need to. And yeah, here's the 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,759 episode. Hi everyone, This is Christina and this is MJ and Carmen and 10 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:48,759 this is another episode of a Spooky Tales. The podcast are all things spooky 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,560 and sometimes she crime and sometimes both in the same episode, which is what 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:58,119 we're doing today. I'm talking about a cult and MJ is talking about random 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,960 things, random haunted things, and I'm just here. You're going to read 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:11,159 the listener story. Yes, finally, it's official. It's in the contract. 15 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:17,319 Part of my contractional obligations. Yes, yeah, so in there in 16 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:22,480 your contractual obligations is to read the listener story. Yeah, okay, should 17 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 I get into it or what? Yes? I think so I think we're 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,239 ready. Okay, Well, I don't know who this is from. It 19 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:32,079 doesn't say Sam, it's from Sam. I cut it off when I cropped 20 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,200 the image. Excellentally I thought I said Sam, and I was like, 21 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:41,599 what's the buck? Who am I to judge someone's name? I don't know. 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,560 You're right, that's what you said. That what you said? Okay, 23 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:51,560 Sam says weird experience. Just thought i'd share and hopefully get your thoughts. 24 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:53,879 Back when my son was two and my daughter was one, I was 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,319 at home with them in the afternoon, playing in the living room. It 26 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:00,400 was just them and me at home at the time, I felt the need 27 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:04,280 to look up. It's never good. That's not part of the story. 28 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:12,400 That was me. Stop, we know it was you. Okay, back 29 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,639 to the story. So I did and looked up at the hallway area. 30 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:21,159 I saw a dark figure with a hat. Not a hat. Okay, 31 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,960 man, that's what I thought of it. But I was reading it earlier. 32 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:27,680 Also, what the fuck? I was like, MJ will know about 33 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,840 this? With the hat standing there. It then proceeded to continue walking. 34 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:36,039 At the time, it creeped me out. So I took my kids and 35 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,680 some of their toys outside and waited for someone to come home. At the 36 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:44,159 time, and many years later that would have weird me out. In twenty 37 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,800 eighteen, my family and I moved to a completely different city, and this 38 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:52,120 occurrence still crosses my mind every once in a while. June twenty twenty three, 39 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,120 my children are now fourteen and fifteen. I had taken a nap. 40 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,560 I dreamt that I was back at my previous home, walking from the laundry 41 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:04,000 room to the stairs down the hallway. I look to my right and I 42 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:07,759 can see a young me playing with my kids in the living room. Then 43 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,800 suddenly, looking up, I could see my fear. Was I my own 44 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:17,439 man in a hat? Oh my god? What Okay? The first time 45 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:22,199 I read it, I didn't get it, But now I get it. 46 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:28,159 Strange she saw herself in the future. I've heard of that too, Like, 47 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,120 I'm not like what people say is not like actual ghosts. It's just 48 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:36,520 like this weird time loop. Like a glitch in time. Yeah, like 49 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,759 a glitch in time where you're either seeing the past or the other future happening 50 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,080 better than the hat man, for sure, Like a time lapse. No, 51 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:47,800 like a time a glitch, Oh, glitch, that's right time laps 52 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:53,960 is time passing? Oh you guys said it? Oh my god, I'm 53 00:03:53,000 --> 00:04:01,159 sorry what you made me do? Anyway, Yes, thank you Sam for 54 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:04,120 your story. And if you have any stories that you want to send to 55 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:08,159 the podcast, you can email au Spokitos at gmail dot com. You can 56 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,400 DM us on our socials and apparently you can also click contact us on our 57 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:16,920 website. I didn't know that there were stories waiting there, so that was 58 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,800 very exciting for me to learn discover new stories. Yeah, like two days 59 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,600 ago discord, that's another option. All this is in the show notes. 60 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,360 And yeah, we love your stories. I also have like two voicemails that 61 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:35,759 I still have to play. I keep forgetting to download them, but yeah, 62 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,959 we love receiving them, all of them in whatever form they come. 63 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,720 And yeah, onto the episode. MJ has one like Manopuruda story and some 64 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,759 other stories she found. Yeah, I have one Manopolula story. I have 65 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:56,439 a story from my mom from my parents, and one story from podcast Extra 66 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:00,759 Normal Sweet. Okay, so yeah, a little more skipboard. What's the 67 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:09,079 word I can't say it? Smre Yes, thank you? How do people 68 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:14,040 I don't even try it? I can't I give them that thing. Yeah, 69 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,480 a little like mix of stories. Yes, thank you. I was 70 00:05:17,519 --> 00:05:21,319 like, what's the better way to say this? And then I have the 71 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,240 LeBaron cult, which is I mean, we love it's terrible, but we 72 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,759 love cult stories. Yeah, and I'm sorry. I didn't realize how much 73 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,240 information was out there on this cult. So I think it's going to be 74 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,279 a two parter. I think so. So I'm Jay, you want to 75 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,079 you want to go first? Yeah, I'll go first. Okay, sorry 76 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:47,360 guys, I have the sniffles to excuse my voice today. So a man 77 00:05:47,439 --> 00:05:50,959 named Nestor calls into the show with the story. He goes on to explain 78 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:59,000 that he is a background This is the story to I, just like jumped, 79 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:08,800 was like an explanation. You enjoy the story. Well, some people 80 00:06:08,879 --> 00:06:12,439 might not know. Some people might not know what le Manoo that is. 81 00:06:12,879 --> 00:06:15,800 They should at this point, what if there's a brand new listener. First 82 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,279 of all, welcome, We hope that you stay. We're like usually this 83 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:25,800 messy, so please stay. La Mano Manola Oh my god, I can't 84 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,519 talk there. La Mana is a Mexican radio show. It was like the 85 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,839 OG Mexican coast to coast. People call in tell their ghost stories. We 86 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,199 love it and we sometimes take stories from there to tell everyone else. So 87 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:46,399 yes, because they're really good stories. They're amazing. Yeah, okay, 88 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:54,839 so let me start over. Uh yeah, yeah. A man named Nestor 89 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:58,000 calls into the show with the story. He goes on to explain that he 90 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,600 is a DJ and that this story he took place about a year prior. 91 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:05,680 He explains that he takes a deposit at the time of booking and he asked 92 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:12,959 the father of the king if they were gonna dance the Wals, which I 93 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,079 don't know if everybody has a different song they danced to in this, but 94 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,600 I feel like it's the same one. I feel like it's it's what's his 95 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,199 name, Chaian? I can't pronounce his name, yeah, Chayan? No, 96 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:32,839 that was wrong, chi Chayan Chaianchayan is Chayan right? Actually there's a 97 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,560 video like because I guess like him and just On Timberlain, No, they're 98 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,120 not. They can't be the same age. Chian is older, right anyway, 99 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:43,439 there's a video older. I feel like he's like, yeah, maybe 100 00:07:43,439 --> 00:07:46,839 our parents age if yeah, he's older. And but there's this video I 101 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,000 saw that's like maybe one and just On Timberlake, and they're like, oh, 102 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,720 his age, and then they show his dancing, and then they show 103 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,639 Chayan in his age, like and how he's so much about her and dancing. 104 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:01,079 Okay, he's fifty five, and let's justin he can't be fifty five. 105 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,160 No, he's forty three. Okay, Okay, although I mean they 106 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:09,560 look very honestly, Shayan looks better at his age right now. The door's 107 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:15,279 over lake right now. So anyway, let's move on. So the father 108 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,160 went on to say that no, she was not going to dance at vals, 109 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:20,720 and Nestor found this incredibly strange, but you know, whatever the client 110 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:28,040 wants, the client is right. The day of the party, he said 111 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,240 that the King Sanetta entered the hall almost rushed. He said that she seemed 112 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:35,840 upset and went to the kitchen of the hall. Nestor tried to talk to 113 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:39,679 her, but she ignored him. And soon after the Chamblains arrived. He 114 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,519 started playing music and a few people got on the dance floor and started dancing, 115 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,799 but the energy was off, like no matter what he played, people 116 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:52,559 weren't really partying. The entire time. The King Sanetta was dancing by herself, 117 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,720 and so he decided to put on a playlist and went to dance with 118 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:58,000 her. He danced with her for like a minute, and then something happened 119 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,679 where he lost sight of her, and then she was just gone. He 120 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,639 had left his DJA station with his friend who helped him with the DJ equipment. 121 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,200 He went back to his station and his friend was like, why were 122 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:15,639 you dancing by yourself? Nestor was confused and he explained that he was dancing 123 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,120 with the King sing Itra. She did. His friend went on to say 124 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,559 that, no, you were dancing by yourself. They ended up dropping the 125 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:28,360 topic and that's when Nestor went to the kitchen. There he ran to the 126 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,840 mom of the King Singerra. He asked her if there was anything that he 127 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,840 could play for the King Seneta a song that she liked, and the mother 128 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,559 looked at him with tears coming down her face. Who was so confused, 129 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,840 And that's when the dad went on to say that, no, my daughter 130 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:45,240 passed away a year prior. His daughter was so excited to one day have 131 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,480 the King Singea as she wanted. It's so incredibly bad that they threw her 132 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,679 at King Senea in honor of her. He goes on to explain that he 133 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,879 doesn't know fully how she died. Nonetheless, Nestor tells the father that he 134 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:01,360 just saw her. Nestor was confused because he saw the picture on the cake 135 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:03,639 that the parents had ordered, the picture of the girl met the girl that 136 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,440 he saw on the dance floor. She was also wearing a dress that wasn't 137 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,279 on any of the professional pictures that were taken, because in Kingsangeta they have 138 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,840 like pictures of the birthday girl and they're professionally done and all this stuff. 139 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,320 But she was wearing a different dress than the picture than the one in the 140 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,720 pictures, and she was clearly the same girl from the pictures, but she 141 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:30,519 looked different, like maybe a little bit older. Nestor told the father like 142 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,159 he danced with her, and the father was in disbelief. He even described 143 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,000 the dress as she was wearing, which was again different, and the father 144 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,679 took out his phone, and on his phone he had the picture of the 145 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:43,639 dress he had bought his daughter because they were going to have the King Sanetta 146 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,679 before she was fifteen, and it was the same dress that he saw her 147 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,840 in. They got the videographer to replay the video he had taken of Nestor 148 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:56,720 when he was on the dance floor, and they replayed it and Nestor is, 149 00:10:56,759 --> 00:11:00,440 of course dancing by himself. At this point, he expect I see, 150 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,240 he's getting goosebumps. And while the videographer didn't catch Nesta dancing with the 151 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,679 girl, he did capture her standing at a corner of the head table. 152 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,279 She was next to her cake, and the look on her face wasn't one 153 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:16,960 of sadness or happiness. She was just observing and had a serious look. 154 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,519 They showed the video of her standing by the cake to her family, and 155 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,080 you know, the mom becomes distraw. The father is amazed and bewildered, 156 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:33,080 and there were friends there and they showed her the video and pretty much everybody 157 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,600 from the party, you know, was asking to see the video, and 158 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,879 everybody got a chance to see it. The father then asked for a speech 159 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,320 and he thanked all those who attended, and he was really happy that his 160 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:46,679 daughter was there with them in spirit celebrating Hurricane sing Ita. After that, 161 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,879 the mood changed and everybody was in better spirits and they started to have like 162 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:56,480 a full blown party. Finally, Oh my god, Wow, was like 163 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:01,279 a sweet ghost story, so rare. Yeah, it was wild, but 164 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,440 yeah it was sweet. Yeah, that was cute. I would have been 165 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,919 scared though either way. I mean, yeah, I would have passed out 166 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,360 if I dance with the ghosts. I would have been like, I know 167 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,559 this is sweet, but I just danced with the ghost Yeah. Yeah, 168 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,799 I wouldn't want to be the one dancing. But like, if I was 169 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,480 in the party, I'm like, oh, this is so cool. And 170 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,799 then he was like, man, I wondered if if if she thought my 171 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,600 dance moves are bad and that's why she's just like bye, he got ghosts. 172 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:33,559 Never mind, I'm actually gonna go back now. But you guys enjoyed 173 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,879 the party? What was that? What kind of dance moves or that? 174 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,000 I wonder what song they oh they were dancing? What were they dancing together? 175 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,799 What if it was? Oh it was That's what I was gonna say. 176 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,279 I was like, what if it was a Cumbia mix? Okayumbia, 177 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,320 because she wasn't gonna dance the balls, so he didn't have any of that. 178 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,200 He just put on a Cumbia mix. Al Itta is something that it 179 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,480 looks good when you're asking by herself. You know that's true. But even 180 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:07,879 then he's like I looked a little bit silly, I looked drunk. Oh 181 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,799 man, No, that's a good one. Wow, creepy but good. 182 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,879 So this next ghost encounter is my parents' story. And my mother was telling 183 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:20,679 me the other day. I was like, you never told me this, 184 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,399 but yeah, I was like, tell me again. I got to write 185 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,679 this. So my parents used to have a little shop in San Francisco, 186 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,840 and this was before my parents retired. They used to have a lady who 187 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:35,600 was a regular client who would come in almost every day to get some groceries. 188 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 And you know, one day her daughters came in to tell my parents 189 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,240 that their mother had passed away, and my parents knew her very well, 190 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,320 so they were sad, and you know, they gave the family their condolencence 191 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:50,039 and stuff. And a few weeks later, that same client came in and 192 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,919 asked my mom for something from the back. So my mom went in the 193 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,600 back to check it and she was like wait, you know, like wait, 194 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,600 it hit her like a ton of bricks and my mom was like, 195 00:14:01,039 --> 00:14:03,799 and to know, my main dad was in the front of the shop with 196 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:05,639 my mom. So she runs to the front of the store and she sees 197 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,399 this client leaving the store. My mom is freaking out. She's telling my 198 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,120 dad like, hey, this is client so and so. They're both freaking 199 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,879 out because she had just passed away a week or two weeks prior, and 200 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,720 they ran out to the store to see if she was there. But she 201 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,000 just vanished. And my parents' store at the time was at a corner. 202 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,759 There was nowhere for this lady to just go. And she's a little old 203 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,279 lady, right and like they would see her. Wow. Yeah, it's 204 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:35,240 at an intersection of two streets, so there's only four ways she could go, 205 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,360 and she was not going either way. She just vanished. Wow. 206 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,360 My parents later told their daughters and their daughter's like, oh my god, 207 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:46,240 she came here to say goodbye, and they saw a full solid apparition. 208 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,919 Oh my god. So both my parents were sweet too, like she wanted 209 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,159 to say bye to them. It is scary. She was like, but 210 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,440 before go get my groceries from the back. She's like, I still have 211 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,679 a habit on need my vegetables. She's going to take them to heaven with 212 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,879 her. You know, the afterlife is no excuse for not eating your veggies 213 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:16,120 exactly. Damn, Okay, I didn't know that. I know and yeah, 214 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,440 that was it was short. It was sweet, but yeah, I 215 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,840 was like, you never told me this, mother holding out on me. 216 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:33,639 Yeah. So this next story is from podcast Extra and it's on episode twenty 217 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,759 seven. For those who speak Spanish to go listen. They tell it way 218 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:46,480 better than I do because and Bacco's guest is David Igadara, and he goes 219 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,720 on to share a very haunting story. When he was a child, his 220 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:52,879 parents divorced and he went to live with his dad. His dad had built 221 00:15:52,960 --> 00:16:00,159 a house in downtown Tustepec in Wahaka, and it was on a guyahone and 222 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,679 it's like an alley way of sorts. The entire area was Manganales, which 223 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,720 is a place with lots of mango trees. His father bought some land there 224 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,960 and the way the house was built, there was a guy hone on both 225 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,200 sides of the houses of the house. At the time, this was before 226 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,440 it was fully developed. There was an entryway for each guy hone, so 227 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:22,759 like they could enter in either side of the house too, as well as 228 00:16:22,799 --> 00:16:26,320 the front. And he was fifteen when he went to live there, and 229 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,159 he would tell his dad all the time as a team, like there's some 230 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,960 bad energy here. So Manganales, which a little note, my note, 231 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,360 this is my note, not the guy on the podcast, but there's said 232 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:44,000 to be paranormal places Manganales because like Duendez are supposed to live in mango trees 233 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:48,600 too. Oh any tree, all the trees. Yeah, so he walked 234 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,879 into the laundry room and there's a window that faces the yard. Also another 235 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:59,919 note, according to the people other listeners during this episode, you could hear 236 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,559 voices in the background. I didn't hear shit of the episode, but okay, 237 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,599 he has a lot of shit, Yeah he has. He has a 238 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:08,799 lot of ship Like Bucco has a lot of shit that happens to him when 239 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:15,079 he records what is going on as long as it's not us, right, 240 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,079 he always talks about it, like like ship in the background moves and then 241 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,839 people hear like noises and other like disembodied voices, especially when he has like 242 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,880 mediums or bruhosts on the show. I'm like, okay, I don't hear 243 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,119 it, but you guys, let's shot this on this story. Did you 244 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:37,480 guys hear the and that screen that I sent you the screen recording it was 245 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,440 like two episodes ago for us, I was talking and there's like a clear 246 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,759 sound. It's in our group chat. I heard, I heard what you 247 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:48,119 were talking about, but I don't know. It couldn't I mean, it 248 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,400 could have been any of us. But see, that's the thing, because 249 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,880 when I'm editing, no one else, no other track is on at the 250 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,680 same time unless we're talking at the same time. Like if we're talking at 251 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,400 the same time, then I leave the tracks there, right, But if 252 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,200 no one else is talking, the other two tracks are blank, like nothing 253 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,480 is there. So it's only me and like recording remotely. It's not like 254 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,279 we're recording in person. The other person's like audio doesn't bleed into your own. 255 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,880 That's true. So I'm confused. I am a confusion. Weird, 256 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,400 What the fuck was that? That is weird? It's the other person that 257 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:30,880 lives in your house, apparently, I don't know. Like I didn't hear 258 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,279 anything when I was recording. I was just talking, like I didn't stop 259 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:37,039 talking. So clearly it's not me blowing into the mic. There's no way 260 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:41,359 for me. Sometimes I get like a separate and like like if someone like 261 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,240 next to you was blowing into the mic as you were talking. No, 262 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:48,799 right, no, No, it's like a so it's like you're talking and 263 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,519 then there's like something else blowing into the mic as you're talking. But it 264 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,559 wasn't my children, because I was in this room and they were out there. 265 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:03,200 So that's weird. I don't know. Spray somewhere. I'm not visiting 266 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:14,279 anymore. I'm picking you up on Thursday. Negative, bring some ghosts propelling 267 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:22,559 with you. Spray everything just on me whatever. You can continue now, 268 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Okay. At the time, David had dogs and they began barking. It 269 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,880 was late. He doesn't remember what time it was, but it was nighttime 270 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,680 already, and the dogs are barking at the same place. So he's in, 271 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,160 you know, he's he's looking for his laundry and stuff, and he 272 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,799 steps to the side, kind of like tilting his head over to look towards 273 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,359 the window, and there's a woman. Her back was turned to him, 274 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,440 and he's freaking out because the only girl that lived in the house was his 275 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,359 sister and she was, you know, asleep. The dogs are barking at 276 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,519 the direction of this figure, and where this figure was standing there was also 277 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:06,039 a flower pot, and that's when he notices the woman had no legs. 278 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,160 Oh, she had black hair and was wearing a we beat and she's facing 279 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,440 a tree in the yard. She's just looking out. That's just a creepy 280 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,640 and another MJ note. We beat as the traditional indigenous garment worn by women 281 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:29,440 of Mexico and Central America. So he screams for his father, and she 282 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:33,559 didn't disappear until his father turned all the lights, so she was He's screaming 283 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:42,480 his ass off to stay here and his you know, he asked his father 284 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,519 who lived there before, and his father was like, there was just trees. 285 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:48,000 They were cut down and I built the house. So he goes on 286 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:52,160 to find out like the information from what he calls their cheese mosa neighbor, 287 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,119 and on the property not too far from their house, there was they used 288 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,200 to live a woman who practiced. Come to find out she would bury her 289 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,559 witchcraft stuff on the property of the house that they were living in. Why 290 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:10,559 did you bury it in her own house? He's like, damn, dad, 291 00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,839 why didn't you look through the ship before you fucking built the house. 292 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,680 She was like, I'm burying it over there, not my property. I 293 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:23,279 was there somebody else's property. And his father now lives alone in the same 294 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,680 house and still says that there's like strange stuff that happened all the time. 295 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:36,359 So yeah, wow apparitions and solid ones too, that's that's so I picked 296 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,240 the three stories because they all had similar same vibes. Yeah, full body 297 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:57,319 apparitions yeah, well and three quarters apparitions yes, well, thank you Jay. 298 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,200 That was creepy. Yeah. I guess it's gonna be a good time 299 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,599 to like for once, and now it's an actual break instead of just the 300 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,279 music. That's like, yeah, we're gonna take a break here, we're 301 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:12,559 gonna thank our Patreon members and maybe it'll be ads. I don't know. 302 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:21,839 We'll see. Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. Okay, now we're 303 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,680 back. Wow wow I love that. Yeah crazy. Yeah. So the 304 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:32,200 Libaron cult, which when I first saw it, I kept reading it in 305 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,400 my head as Lebren. Well, I always say it Lebron and I know 306 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,599 that's wrong. Oh I can't let that. No, that's how I was 307 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,319 saying it. I just said it wrong. Oh yeah, twice in my 308 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,960 head I was saying it like Lebanon, but with an R. Lebron. 309 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:52,279 Yeah yeah, but it's Leberon. So now we know. So this quote, 310 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,559 uh, it happened in Mexico and it was led by Verel LeBaron. 311 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,720 His church was called the Church of the First Born of the Lamb of God. 312 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:07,079 Oh God, too many words, too wordy, too many, too 313 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,319 many. Yeah, and they committed a series of murders in Mexico, of 314 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,599 course, stated yeah, of course. But before we get into you know, 315 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,319 how this happened, we have to talk about Arrol Le Baron and what 316 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,839 the fuck he was doing in Mexico in the first place, because this is 317 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:33,599 a white man in case of of course it is. So. Rville was 318 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,480 born February twenty second. I think what his name is, Irville? Yeah, 319 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:44,759 yeah, but it's a perfectly fine name, isn't it, Because it's 320 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:52,880 very close to evil. I will judge. Maybe it was meant to be 321 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:57,799 for him to be evil with that self fulfilling prophecy. But actually his friends 322 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,720 named him so, so they did it. Yeah yeah, speaking of his 323 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:07,640 parents anyway. So yes, Erville was born February twenty second, nineteen twenty 324 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,200 five in northern Mexico, and his his birth where he was born, all 325 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,079 of it was divine intervention because his God was or his God his father was 326 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,880 the prophet according to himself, right of course, yeah, yes, yes, 327 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:32,160 God told him. So his father, Alma de or Lebron, moved 328 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:38,799 his family to gala Enna, Chihuahua because he was a polygamist. So for 329 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:45,799 people that donate Hilltory, right, yeah, Irville. So after the Church 330 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,480 of Jesus, after the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, the 331 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,559 LDS Mormons. Yeah, yeah, that's way easier to say. So they 332 00:24:55,599 --> 00:25:00,039 abandoned the practice of polygamy in eighteen ninety and then some Mormons were like, 333 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,880 we want to keep doing this, even though it was outlawed by the United 334 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,200 States. We are going to keep doing this, and that's why we're taking 335 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:14,000 our happy asses to Mexico. That's exactly what happened. Yes, I guess 336 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:18,759 you know quite a bit about this. You could say I'm obsessed, she 337 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,359 really is. Yeah, we both watched Under the Banner of Heaven because of 338 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,519 because of you. And then I listened to the audiobook which goes into how 339 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:33,000 the Mormons went to Mexico. But it happened after this, after it was 340 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,440 outlawed in the United States. So the Lebarons were among these Mormons, so 341 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,640 they were excommunicated. They moved to Mexico where they could continue being polygamist without 342 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:48,640 the meddling of the US and the US laws. Right. So Irville's father 343 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,720 Alma Alma. Yeah, I'm but white. So I guess it's Alma, 344 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:57,680 not Alma. I didn't know that was a name in English, white man 345 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,680 name. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what's up with his 346 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,960 name. I was confused the whole family. Sorry, No, you're right, 347 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:07,720 Harba said, who is she to judge? But I will judge on 348 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,640 behalf of all of us. That's all judge. I sole my judging upon 349 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:19,359 you. So yeah, Alma Earvill, They're all going to be judged. 350 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:26,480 Alma. Earville's father experienced hallucinations all his life. He believed God talked to 351 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:30,640 him, and God was the one who told him to go down to Gleana 352 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:37,599 and spread the true word of the Lord and to Alma. These hallucinations they 353 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,079 were real. They weren't science of like a mental health issue or neathing. 354 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,599 You know, they were real because it made sense in their religion. Like 355 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,920 they have a special little thing. Yeah, they have the what do they 356 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,200 call it? The voice? Right, that's I think that's the name of 357 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,359 it. Yeah, I was gonna say schizophrenia. I mean, to some 358 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,880 it's that it's a mental health issue. But to others, they have a 359 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,720 special connection with God and they can talk to God, and that's what makes 360 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,799 them special. The moremonents. Yeah, and I mean to Alma, this 361 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,559 all was like, this makes sense because they happened to our leader, Joseph 362 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,599 Smith. And I mean, for those who don't know, Joseph Smith was 363 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,039 the founder of the LDS Church. An angel told him to dig in this 364 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,359 like one place, and then he found these two gold tablets. And these 365 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,880 two gold tablets were what became the Book of Mormon. And Joseph continued to 366 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,720 have visions, you know, for all his life, and in eighteen forty 367 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,319 one, God instructed Joseph Smith to take a second wife. And he had 368 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,960 to do it because God told them he didn't think about himself. It wasn't 369 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:56,720 him, No, it was God. Even though this vision contradicted the writings 370 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,720 of the Book of Mormon, it didn't stop Joeoseph. It was he had 371 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,960 to do it. It was his sacred duty, you know. So yeah, 372 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920 he took a second wife, and then another or another, and then 373 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,200 at some point the numbers not exactly know, but like I read twenty eight 374 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,599 to fifty wives Jesus, and some of them, I don't know if it 375 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,400 was more than one or just one. They were like fourteen and fifteen. 376 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,720 Yeah, a lot of them were underage. And so the US government didn't 377 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:33,400 agree with this. Also neither did another member of the church or what happened 378 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,400 either, is itd his first wife? Yeah, that's true. There was 379 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,759 a split in the church. Yeah, and that's what made a lot of 380 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:47,119 Mormons move. And so in nineteen twenty three, Alma LeBaron was thirty seven 381 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,440 and he had a vision. He was told to fulfill Joseph Smith's command and 382 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:59,119 marry his eighteen year old housekeeper, Onnie Jones. And then when Alma's g 383 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:06,319 I keep thinking he's a woman, Alma, Okay, anyway, sorry, 384 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:11,440 when Alma's grandfather passed away, Alma had another vision. He saw his grandfather, 385 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:17,680 grandfather. He was wearing a crown and he told Alma that he was 386 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,039 the head of the Mormon Church and he was the inheritor, inheritor to Joseph 387 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:26,559 Smith's mantle. So like his grandfather's ghost was telling him this, like, 388 00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,680 this is actually who I was. And so because that's who I was, 389 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,920 the title is being passed on to you, Alma le Baron, And so 390 00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:41,599 Alma had no choice but to follow his sacred duty and follow the Ten Commandments 391 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,440 and bringing back the practice of polygamy. He had to do it. His 392 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,119 hands were tired. So then Alma told his family what he saw his vision 393 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,920 the next morning, and his wife Maud, was shocked, but she agreed 394 00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,799 because I mean, this is a way, yeah, because she had she 395 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,599 actually had to, she had no choice, literally, yeah. And so 396 00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:14,519 one joined the family and they then they were communicated from the church because you're 397 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,720 not supposed to be polygamists anymore. So they stayed in the area for a 398 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,079 little bit, but then they heard rumors of like a LeBaron lynching. People 399 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:26,480 wanted to lynch him apparently. Oh, so then he took the two wives 400 00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:33,119 and their eight children and fled south to Mexico, where previous Mormons had fled 401 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,640 before him. They arrived in Mexico in late nineteen twenty four. They settled 402 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,160 in Colonia Aguades, which wasn't already existing Mormon community in Chihuawa. They thought 403 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,440 they would be like a little more accepted here, but apparently people were like 404 00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:52,039 no longer really practicing polygamy in Colonia whuadas either they were just normal Mormons, 405 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:57,119 monogamous Mormons, yes, yeah, and so they they were there, they 406 00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:03,160 were living their lives. Alma mod had their ninth child, which was rvil 407 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:08,640 LeBaron not irvil irvll. He's come into the picture now. But yeah, 408 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,160 like life wasn't easier in Colonia Quadres. The family was ostracized because they were 409 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,799 polygamous. None of the other kids talked to them, the Labarian kids, 410 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,720 because they were like, oh, they're weirdos. And it wasn't just because 411 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,839 of their practices. They also were just known for being weird and bizarre and 412 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:32,160 like they had erratic behavior and anger issues like all the kids. Well, 413 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,720 anger is a learned behavior. Mm hmm, yeah it is. And mental 414 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,279 health issues run in families, so yeah, yeah they do. It's funny 415 00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:48,880 you mentioned that because their fourth oldest daughter, Lucinda, started having hallucinations and 416 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,119 like these hysteric episodes and that's what the note like the other article telling her 417 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,680 like a hysteric woman, you know. But there were these episodes where she 418 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,599 would just scream for hours and they started when she was seventeen. The family 419 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,480 to like calm her down, and I say that in quotation marks to calm 420 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,400 her down during these episodes. They were tire her ankles, like chain her 421 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:15,119 ankles to like a shed or something like that. Wo. Yeah, terrible 422 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,839 stuff. And she wasn't the only sibling who had these problems. Ben, 423 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,160 the oldest son, he started hearing voices that told him he was God at 424 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,599 twenty two and then he was hospitalized in an asylum in Arizona. But yeah, 425 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,920 like all ten children had things like they were hearing voices, anger issues, 426 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,519 things like that. And then like four of the seven boys in the 427 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:45,279 Liberian family, they all claimed that they were Lord's prophet. They all had 428 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,759 these same visions where they were the ones that were told this. But then 429 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:51,400 Irville and this is all when they were like adults, right, But Rvill 430 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,279 later claimed that he received the right to kill from God himself, Like he 431 00:32:55,359 --> 00:33:01,680 told them, like you can do this in a vision, elma dare lebron 432 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:07,960 he LeBaron. I did it, my bad LeBaron. He would travel back 433 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:13,079 and forth Mexico and the US, usually Mexico in like Utah and Arizona where 434 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,359 there were more maone communities to work. He was like a painter, so 435 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,799 he did that for work and By nineteen thirty nine, there were nineteen Lebaran 436 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,920 kids, thirteen from Maud, his first wife, and then six from Oni, 437 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:29,039 the second wife. The other children didn't, you know, talk to 438 00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,599 them, so they only had each other. And this was very true for 439 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:37,319 Irville and his older brother by two years, Joel Irville. They were inseparable. 440 00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,599 Out of the two, Irville was the more handsome, smarter, taller, 441 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000 charismatic one and Joel was like the weird, quiet one who was also 442 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:52,279 ugly. Apparently that's what the notes say, not me. I wrote the 443 00:33:52,359 --> 00:34:02,440 notes anyway, Oh crack with the up. Okay, so yes. People 444 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,039 thought Irva was like smarter because he could speak for hours on the Book of 445 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,320 Mormon and it sounded like he knew what he was talking about. It sounds 446 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,920 like he memorized it, though, is it really being smart? Okay, 447 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,719 god yeah? But then he would ramble for hours on this and like he 448 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,000 would go from one thought to another, and people just thought he was too 449 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,039 smart for them to follow. But really it was more like disorganized thoughts. 450 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,760 Oh, like a mental health issue. Oh, like a symptom of schizophrenia. 451 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,159 Yeah right right, And this organized thoughts asn't like when you talk like 452 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:37,559 one thing is not connected to the other, like rambling, but like extreme. 453 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,440 In nineteen forty, Joel was set to go on his mission. You 454 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,239 know, Mormons go on their mission where they try to indoctrinate people when colonize 455 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,719 and shit. So Joe refused to go on his mission unless Irvo could go 456 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,599 with him, because again they were inseparable. So the two went and Irvill 457 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,119 ended up being like one of the youngest missionaries ever because just this was in 458 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,119 normal. So they traveled around Mexico for two years spreading the word of the 459 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,239 Church, but really they were spreading their version of it, so they were 460 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,519 spreading polygamy, the practice of polygamy. When they returned home, their father, 461 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,440 Alma, was fed up with Colonia quadrees. He felt like he wasn't 462 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,639 receiving his recognition as the true prophet of the church, which like nobody recognized 463 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:28,159 him as obviously, but he did. So he packed up his family and 464 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,239 they headed off north into the desert. They settled in the Sierra Madrem Mountain 465 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:39,599 area and they had a ranch named Colonia le Baron or le Baron, I 466 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:45,440 don't know. This was ninety forty five now, so not long after that, 467 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,880 Alma got sick from lead poisoning because of his job as a painter. 468 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,039 Apparently they still used lead and paint, so I guess yeah, because we're 469 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:59,239 in like the ninety fifties forties. So he became fully paralyzed and he died 470 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480 in ninety fifty one. And right after his death, thirty eight year old 471 00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:07,000 Ben, the oldest son, tried to start his own church, but like 472 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:13,719 all his mental issues, he just couldn't. He was randomly arrested in the 473 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,239 middle of a street because he was doing push ups in the middle of traffic. 474 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:22,199 What so he yeah, he was having a little crisis. Yeah, 475 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,320 just a little one. And so he was arrested and then like placed into 476 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,400 an asylum and he spent the next decade there. Wow, now he's like 477 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,480 one brother's out of the picture. In the meantime, Joel and Arville were 478 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,840 like, we're not with him, and they were trying to distance themselves from 479 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:45,119 the church that he tried to start, and so they went and joined a 480 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,280 different church. This one was led by Rulon al Read and this was an 481 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,960 already established polygamous sect. Do you know the name Kerman? Yeah, okay, 482 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:06,599 yeah, yeah, another terrible man so he had these polygamous sex like 483 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,920 sects. Sects, yeahs like sex like I can't, like, I don't 484 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:22,199 have any means, but no, we're not but yeahs, oh my god, 485 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,480 I can't, okay. So yeah, and these were in Utah, 486 00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:31,760 Arizona, and Colorado. And also he had also been born in Chihuahwa, 487 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,440 Colonia. Dublan is where he was born and it's still there, but now 488 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,159 it's just like a town with a small normal normal as normal as they can't 489 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:45,679 be Mormon population. This was an actual like big church or cult whatever. 490 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,159 There was almost a thousand members, I want to say, and they were 491 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,800 you know, led by an elderly council like like the Mormon church, but 492 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,960 they did polygamy. This is the FLDS right right, because they're not the 493 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,800 same as the LDS. So so the brothers took leadership roles in this church, 494 00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,079 but by nineteen fifty five they were over it. They were like were 495 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:12,239 too important for this or like they need their own thing. Yeah. Yeah. 496 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,159 So then Joel announced he was the one who inherited the mantle of profit 497 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,000 from his father, and this was nicely fifty five. They surprised a lot 498 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,599 of people because They thought Irville would be the one to make this announcement because 499 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,719 you know, he was more charismatic, he was better looking, he was 500 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,920 taller. Thought Joel was better looking. Now it was Irville. Did I 501 00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:36,320 say it wrong? And yeah, I'm pretty sure you said it the other 502 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,679 way. Did I pull the little dyslexia and switch my words? Mm hmm, 503 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:43,639 okay, but now we get it straight. So so when you were 504 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,639 saying that, I was trying to remember the Donkey series I watched and I 505 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,679 was like, I don't remember them saying that about Irville. You were like, 506 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,800 this sounds wrong, But now you're it makes more sense now, Okay, 507 00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:59,880 totally my bad. Yeah, it's supposed to be Irville is the hottie, 508 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:05,159 okay, and that's by their standards. And I was like, I 509 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:13,639 don't think so for you, not us, not us, okay. So 510 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,199 so yeah, they thought it would be Earvil who would like try and take 511 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,199 this role, but it wasn't. It was Joel. Earvil happily followed in 512 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,400 his brother's leadership. They were thirty four to three two at this point in 513 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,800 their lives. Joel traveled to Utah, where he had to register his church 514 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,119 because there's paperwork apparently for this and like we're gonna be fts like blah blah 515 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:40,119 blah. I don't know how does that work? Anyway, he named it 516 00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:45,000 the church. It was called the Church of the Firstborn of the Fullness of 517 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,519 Time. Oh, they really just loved the Church of the First Born, 518 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:55,679 like mm hmmmmm. Yeah. So the brothers would travel back and forth in 519 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,440 the US and Mexico spreading the word of their church. Joel was the prophet 520 00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:06,360 and Irville was the patriarch. And so then they returned to Mexico to find 521 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:10,960 non family members. They even like took followers from Rulan Alred. It's so 522 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,480 hard for me to say that name because like rural. Sure, yes, 523 00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:19,679 that's why. That's why. Okay, now it makes sense. So yeah, 524 00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:24,000 they took followers from him to By the nineteen early nineteen sixties, they 525 00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:30,199 had five hundred members. And Irville was very flashy compared to Joel. He 526 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,239 had like a really nice car, really expensive clothes, and Joel SSI drove 527 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,920 like the old family truck that belonged to his father and was not flashy at 528 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,719 all. Irville also avoided the hard work that had to be done at the 529 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,199 ranch because it was a growing community all the time. They had to, 530 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000 like I don't know, farm and build things, you know. But he 531 00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:57,239 didn't do any of that. He was too good for it. Apparently what 532 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,880 he did do was merry a lot of everyone and their mom. Yeah. 533 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:08,760 So he told members that God told him that God had given him the right 534 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,679 to decide who girls really because I started in like age sixteen, they decided 535 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,039 like when or who someone was gonna marry. So he had this right. 536 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,800 He was the one who decide this and like most of the time he decided 537 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,920 himself very Uh, what's that guy's name, Jeff warrens of him or if 538 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,239 Warren Jeff's I know we were talking about and it's something like that. I 539 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,679 just can't remember exactly. It's one of the two, yeah, one of 540 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,079 the two. So yeah, he started collecting more and more wives. Side 541 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,400 the ages of the wives got younger and younger. Yeah, so, but 542 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,199 yeah, I started getting younger and younger, Like he married a seventeen year 543 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,119 old and then a thirteen year old. In nineteen sixty one, he started 544 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,719 abusing the sister of the sex seventeen year old the younger sister who was twelve, 545 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,920 and he used the Bible to justify the marriages to these young girls, 546 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,800 you know, teens. He said that Virgin Mary was fourteen when she married 547 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,079 Jesus Christ, and I mean, I guess this was good enough remembers Joseph. 548 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,440 My bad when he didn't. It never says her age, right, 549 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:22,239 or when she marries Joseph she's yeah, she's thirteen. I think she's anywhere 550 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,199 from twelve to fourteen. Oh, my bad, I'm getting confused with it 551 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,679 doesn't say her age when she gets pregnant by Je's with Jesus, right, 552 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,639 Yeah, she's around the same age because she's marrying Joseph. It's happened almost 553 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:37,719 at the same time. Yeah, it happens at the same time when she 554 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,880 gets married to Joseph, she's pregnant with Jesus. Huh. I don't know 555 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,599 why I thought it never outright said her age, but that people just assumed 556 00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:49,079 because of the practices of the time. But I think at the time, 557 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,440 back then it was like it wasn't abnormal for young people died like at thirty, 558 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:59,400 so at fourteen that was like half their life. I think that also 559 00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:04,639 depends what. I don't know if it's connected to to her menstruation, but 560 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,239 it's anywhere from twelve to fourteen oh when she started. I've heard it very 561 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:14,559 I think she was supposed to like be pregnant either before or right after she 562 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,880 got married to Joseph, because he never touched her and she was already pregnant. 563 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,719 See, I thought she got married because she was pregnant. I could 564 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,000 have been that too, I think so. I think the angel came and 565 00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:30,039 said, Bam, baby, Jesus is in. You now find a husband. 566 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,199 But I think they were already like it was already arranged, Like their 567 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,480 marriage was already arranged. And that's why I like the angel is supposed to 568 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,119 go to Joseph, and the Angel told Joseph, hey, like this ain't 569 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,440 your baby, but this is God's baby, so protect her and the child. 570 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,280 But I think they were already they were already arranged to be married. 571 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,559 But I don't remember if she was pregnant before the marriage or like what. 572 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,480 I wasn't sure of myself though, like I thought the Mormons just like original 573 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,119 Mary meant a thing to them. It pretty much does it as far as 574 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:08,280 I know, only the the Orthodox Catholic Church, the Roman Catholic Church. 575 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,880 It's interesting because the Mormons have their own book, so but I guess they 576 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:22,119 still use them doing yeah yeah, Also like Jesus also doesn't like mean anything 577 00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:25,440 to them, right, because that's their profit is like Joseph Smith, Joseph 578 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,519 Smith, I don't know, I don't know, know, it's all weird. 579 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,840 Yeah, Like I like, I'm pretty sure Joseph Smith is more important 580 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,400 than Jesus and that and Madia they don't care about her either, So he 581 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,480 was just like looking for any excuse that, don't say. They just look 582 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:45,119 through the book and pool whatever fits what they want to do and twist it 583 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,679 too, like they give it the interpretation because like like even when you read 584 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:57,159 like theological texts, it's going to mean something different to everybody, Like to 585 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,119 you it means something. To me, it means something different, and they 586 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,760 use the same thing. But yeah, as far as I know, they 587 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:08,239 don't have any devotion to Mary or as you said, maybe like it's questionable 588 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:14,360 to Jesus. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, so it's he's just using 589 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,199 whatever he can to justify his pedophilia. Yeah, so yeah, he was 590 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:22,719 a pedo. But also he had a habit of stealing wives. So just 591 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,239 like Jeff Forren, or whatever his name is. Yeah, pretty much one 592 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,280 of the two. Yeah. Yeah, the wife's stealing was the thing that 593 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,280 started causing problems between the two brothers. Not the pedophilia. No, the 594 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,760 wife's stealing. Well that's fine according to them. Yeah, Rville's childhood friend 595 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,559 went on a trip back to the US from Mexico and then he returned to 596 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,559 the colony. It wasn't even a long trip. I couldn't find the exact 597 00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:52,519 time, but it was a short trip. And then he took his wife. 598 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,880 He was gone for the weekend and then I don't know how long it 599 00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,480 was, but it was not that long. He loved at six am and 600 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:07,079 came back at six pm something something. So by the time making back, 601 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:12,239 his wife had been divorced and was already married to Irville. Oh God, 602 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:19,400 ohing go so that guy. He complained to Joel, who then declared that 603 00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,800 God gave him a vision that a woman had to wait six months after a 604 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,320 divorce before remarrying. And then Irville was like, what the fuck, bro? 605 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,880 So it was it was causing tensions between the two brothers. And yeah, 606 00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,440 this distension was growing between the two in nineteen sixty four, it was 607 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,159 too much for Joel. Joel's like, I'm gonna go to Baja California. 608 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,719 I'm going to start a new church, a new branch of our church in 609 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,719 this place called Las Molinos. And I accidentally kept writing last Molinas, So 610 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920 if I didn't change it in my notes, No, it's Molinos. It 611 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:59,159 sounds. Yeah, it's wrong, it sounds wrong, but that's what it 612 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,440 said, last Molinos. That's hard. Feel like Molina's makes morcise, Yeah, 613 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,639 it doesn't. It doesn't roll off the tongue. So Las Molinos that's 614 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,400 where he was going to establish this new branch of their church, and so 615 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:15,679 he was starting to spend more time down there than in colonial le Baron and 616 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,840 Irville Erville was not in charge, of course he was. So yes, 617 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:25,840 Erville became obsessed with punishments described in the Old Testament. Yeah, he was 618 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,760 preaching that it was their responsibility, the church's responsibility, to take up arms 619 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,159 against their enemies, which included non believers and anyone who didn't recognize the liberons 620 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,639 as like the prophets. So everyone, everybody, oh, the rest of 621 00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,480 the world got it. This started to scare members because that's not what they 622 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,039 signed up for. Like Joel was peaceful, he was just like we're just 623 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,800 gonna be polygamous over here. Whatever, Okay, we just want to have 624 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,400 like ten wives. That's it. I didn't come to fight have ten wives. 625 00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,480 We're gonna let men abuse children. But other than that, it's fine. 626 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:07,679 Yeah, but no, not rervil so rvil sermons started getting crazy, 627 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:13,719 Like he started his sermons started lasting twenty four hours and people couldn't leave, 628 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:19,159 so he would spend days a week, which is another symptom of schizophrenia. 629 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,679 Also, just like the ability to talk for twenty four hours straight, that's 630 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,440 not right. Damn. Yeah. And I also like want to share I 631 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,599 guess now before we get deeper into this episode, like this man should have 632 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:36,960 been diagnosed with schizophrenia, but he saw this as like a religious thing instead. 633 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,760 And we're not like clowning on schizophrenia at all. It's a real thing. 634 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,119 It's demonized in like the media, but like this man justified what he 635 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:51,000 was doing through religion, and it's not that oh it's like another evil schizophrenic 636 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:52,880 person. No, Like that's not what we're doing here. I'm just like 637 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:57,679 we're pointing out that he should have been treated and like maybe all of this 638 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,679 could have been prevented, right, but also not as because sophenic people have 639 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:07,280 these violent tendencies. He was raised in this like very very religious, strict 640 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,920 setting. There was already violence in the home from his father too, So 641 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,000 just like all these things made him more violent. The fact that it continued 642 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,599 to go untreated, it just gets worse. And like, yeah, we're 643 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,079 like, you know, laughing and making jokes, but I don't want anyone 644 00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:23,719 to think, like, oh, we're laughing at schizophrenia, Like that's not 645 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,960 at all. Yeah, but it also reminds me of genemic. Herdi in 646 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,239 her book how she talks about because it's like a thing in Mormon, uh, 647 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:37,039 the Mormon religion where they're literally taught that they each have a voice and 648 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,760 a connection with God, and they the voice in their head is God talking 649 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,079 to them. So it's like the inner monologue. I don't know what they 650 00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:47,320 call it. It's like I thought they call it like a voice, like 651 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,559 an inner voice or goal something like that. But yeah, like the thought, 652 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,440 like, yeah, they call it the inner voice. Yeah, and 653 00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,559 for like us, we have an inner monologue, but they're not like these 654 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:04,519 random thoughts that come out of nowhere. Yeah. So then in her book, 655 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,840 she has Uh, she has OCD. She's diagnosed with OCD, and 656 00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:14,880 so she had these like obsessive compulsive thoughts. But she like ever since she 657 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,960 was little, but she thinks it's her voice with God, like her connection 658 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,400 with God, and so she it takes her a long time to realize it's 659 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,599 a mental health issue and to get the help that she needs to treat her 660 00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:30,320 mental health issue. And so like it's a common thing. Yes, okay, 661 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,880 that makes sense because I was like inner monologues what but yeah, I 662 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,039 was like, before we get any further, we should say that. But 663 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:44,360 yeah, so let's go back to this where was Yeah, Irville was left 664 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,800 in charge, he was getting more off the handle, more violent. His 665 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,559 sermons started becoming violent themselves, Like he was talking about wars with their enemies, 666 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,840 things that were not a thing before. He started carrying a pistol at 667 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:05,719 all times. He started telling members that the US government and the Knights of 668 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,079 Columbus were gonna come after them for practicing their religion. Things that just didn't 669 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:15,360 make sense. Also, sorry, really quick, and there's like a huge 670 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,880 thing with Mormons because of how they were, you know, pushed from one 671 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,119 state to other because of Joseph's myth, mostly because he was a con man. 672 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,360 Really, yeah, but they were pushed like from state to state. 673 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,280 They weren't allowed, like and they were persecuted because you know, of the 674 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,400 Polimans, certain whatever things. But now now they're not, you know, 675 00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:38,079 it's mainstream, but they have like a persecution complex because of their history. 676 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,639 So like that's feeding into his thoughts. Also, yes, and I was 677 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,880 gonna say, it doesn't help that paranoid thoughts that people are coming after you 678 00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:53,159 is another symptom, yeah to him, like all these things conflated within him. 679 00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:58,559 Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah again instead of seeing it, and 680 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:01,320 even if they saw it and reccognize it as a sign of a as a 681 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,079 symptom of something, they wouldn't get help because they don't believe in it either. 682 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:15,480 Yeah. So Joel started hearing about what was going down in Colonia Levarone, 683 00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,519 and so he flew from Las Molinos and tried to tell everyone like, 684 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,639 hey, don't listen to Irvil. I'm in charge, I'm the prophet where 685 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,400 Rvil's preaching is like not, there's that's not our beliefs. But then he 686 00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:31,679 left again, and then Erville just kept preaching the same things, and he 687 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,920 was like, also, Joe's a little bit like he's not strong enough to 688 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,599 be the leader. That's why he came over here, set all this nonsense 689 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:43,599 and left. But I'm here right like I'm the one that's here. So 690 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:49,280 he just kept doing that. Tensions were growing between them also to and on 691 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,519 top of that, Joel wanted to make loss last Last Molinos. He wanted 692 00:52:53,559 --> 00:53:00,679 to make less Molinos a farming community for newly converted members. Joel wanted to 693 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,599 make it into a resort for Americans to make money because they needed that much 694 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:12,199 smarter move Honestly, it's also like them not religious one though, that's true, 695 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,360 that's true, And so Irville went as far as to like sneak gliat 696 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,280 his name to the title and then not put Joel down. And so then 697 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:30,079 he owned Las Molinos. That's going to be an issue Las Molinos. And 698 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,679 this was like the last straw for Joel. He was like, Ervol's getting 699 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,360 out of hand. He needs to be replaced as a patriarch. And in 700 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:45,800 nineteen sixty nine he flew back to griinal Le Baron and he told Joel or 701 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,719 he told Irville that he was being demoted and now their younger brother, Verlin 702 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,239 would take over as patriarch. And yes it rhymes with erman damn. That 703 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,920 was my thought. Mm hmmm, yeah, I mean these names. I 704 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:07,360 don't know Irville, Verlin, I don't know. Joel is normal, other 705 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,559 names. Joel is normal, Yeah, the only one. So yeah, 706 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:22,960 erv I kept accidentally writing yeah. So Irville accepted his emotion graciously. Surprisingly, 707 00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:28,719 he even cried. The three brothers cried together. But this didn't last 708 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:37,559 long. He returned to the members and he started making this list of or 709 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,880 he already had a list of like who were God's enemies, and so now 710 00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,000 Joel was on that list. Whenever they started making a list. That's not 711 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:49,639 good. No, no, But Joel had no idea that the list included 712 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:55,639 him or the list existed, damning. Joel desire, clueless, doesn't know 713 00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:01,320 what's coming. He really doesn't. So by nineties, everyone Joel told Arville 714 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:07,119 that he was going to be excommunicated because because since his emotion, Ervill kept 715 00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:14,880 trying to plan munities against Joel mutinies. Yeah, what did I say? 716 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:24,559 I think you said communities. Thanks, Carmen. It's part of my contraction 717 00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:29,280 occasions. It is to correct me. Yeah, I can't read, so 718 00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,679 or write. Sometimes I switch words around, letters, inside words, numbers, 719 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,320 you know. So yes, spice it up, you know, make 720 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,960 it less bar make you think. You have to think about what she's saying. 721 00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:50,679 Now you have to guess. So yeah, he kept planning to overthrow 722 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:58,559 Joel, which you can't do. You can stop, Okay, tell mom 723 00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:07,920 yo, wait, Mom's not helping. No, so Earthl didn't stop fucking 724 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,880 Irvil. He's like, you're gonna excommunicate me. No, So instead he 725 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,000 wrote back a letter that he received a vision from God he was the prophet, 726 00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:21,760 not just of course, and that Firstborn followers had to leave the church 727 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,400 and join his church, the Church of the Firstborn of the Lamb of God. 728 00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,000 I'm telling you, they love the Church of the Firstborn. So only 729 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,719 a few people left and joined the church. And this isn't like like Joel 730 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,199 thought or not Joel Irvill Irvil thought everyone was gonna leave and join him. 731 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,519 But no, that didn't happen. Only some people left, some people deflected, 732 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,039 most people stayed with Joel. Some people fled back to the US. 733 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:51,639 They were like, this isn't looking good. The brothers are fighting, Like 734 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,800 what are they gonna do? It's getting more violent, so some people just 735 00:56:53,840 --> 00:57:00,559 completely that would have been the move. Yeah, So then Joel officially excommunicated 736 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,960 Irvil, but this didn't mean anything to Irvil. He had already declared himself 737 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,480 the prophet, right, So then Irville was like, you know what, 738 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:14,960 Joel has committed treason against God. The punishment for treason his death. Ervill 739 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,800 kept preaching that he was a prophet. He was going to be the one 740 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,400 to set in order the House of God before the end of the world, 741 00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:27,039 because now things were getting apocalyptic they weren't before. So then he told his 742 00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,000 followers that the end of the world included a fight between him and a false 743 00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:34,519 prophet, and he never named the prophet, but it was obviously Joel. 744 00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:42,599 He was was a thing called before sub tweeting yeah yeah, oh yes, 745 00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:46,239 okay, so yeah, Joel was the false prophet, and that there was 746 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,519 going to be a global religion that he was going to head on as the 747 00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,719 prophet. And that's that's the things he was telling everyone. He was also 748 00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,800 telling everyone, or I guess, training everyone to be part of this army 749 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:07,400 that was gonna take on the world. I guess because they were everyone else 750 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,320 was God's enemy. Right, so and Joel Joel needed to die so in 751 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,880 August nineteen seventy two. Actually, maybe this is where I should end part 752 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,159 one. I think so. I think so this is a good place to 753 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,440 wrap up part one because this is basically the history of the cult. It 754 00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:30,079 gets us up to the point where the murdering starts. Okay, so yeah, 755 00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:32,719 I think it's a good place to wrap up. It gets it gets 756 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:42,159 terrible. Yeah, it's gonna be bad in part two. Yikes. Okay, 757 00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:46,599 well, I guess before we go spooky recommendations? Does anyone have any 758 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,760 I haven't done, like, read or watched anything spooky aside from reading the 759 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,360 book Club book, which is the s see Oh my god not then that, 760 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:05,360 which is yes, yes, Do you have any speaky recommendations? No, 761 00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:12,920 I don't. I have been rewatching the cartoon Avatar last Airbnger. Oh, 762 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,159 I love that. I have to watch this. I'm teasing three already, 763 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:22,920 and then that's that's it. Okay, Okay. I do have a 764 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:30,239 recommendation because it's something that I worked on. There's a new Scary FM podcast. 765 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,239 Scary of FM is venturing into true crime. This is the first true 766 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,679 crime show on there it's called the murders. Oh, I feel like I 767 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:44,599 said that weird because I was like, the same murders. It's called the 768 00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:50,599 murders. And yeah, once in a while I will research and write episodes. 769 00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,679 But then like Edwin, the host and former guests he's been on here, 770 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,800 host of a bunch of scary podcasts, are all great. He'll like, 771 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,719 you know, grab the script and just like perfect it and then you 772 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,159 know, the episode is released. So the first one is about the machete 773 01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:10,559 murders, which happened in California in Yuba City, Yuba City area, and 774 01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,000 it's just gonna it's like the podcast is gonna be about like a series of 775 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,800 murders. So like that was the machete murders, but then there's like other 776 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,239 cases that are like the railroad railroad murders or like things like that. So 777 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:27,679 that's the kind of stuff that it's gonna cover, and it's gonna be trying 778 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,320 like through the lens of like how it affected the community, you know, 779 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:36,280 making sure that victims are names and that they're important, and then like obviously 780 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,440 not glimorizing serial killers because fuck that noise, and it's it's just like a 781 01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,960 straight narrow narrated podcast. No like opinions interjected for people that like prefer that 782 01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:52,199 not like us. But yeah, that's the podcast. I'm gonna put it 783 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:53,480 in the show notes because I want people to listen, because I wrote it. 784 01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:00,800 I'll check it out. I'm just over here watching you guys eating my 785 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:13,039 bread bull I knew you're reading. Damn you're dying. Christina is dying from 786 01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:19,320 a hiccup attack. Ho she survives. Thank you everyone for listening. And 787 01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:23,679 if you're dancing with one person at kinsingera no one else is dancing, you 788 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:38,440 might be dancing with the ghost. Yes, say Spooky Bye Bye. Spooky 789 01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:44,599 Tales is hosted by Christina and MJ, produced and edited by Christina. Everything 790 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:50,280 is written and researched by Christina MJ and with the help of Don Shout Out 791 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,199 Don. Thank you so much for your help. 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