Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Boys. Season four of
you. The penultimate episode lots of penultimates this week, I'm the clown Prince
of Puppets dressed now. I'm joined by hashtag me too, Taylor Field,
Thank you too, you know your name. I feel like between this season
and then gen V with my name, lots of lots of puppets with the
Boys. They like puppets, you know, so it's not a bad thing.
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celebrate the nine year. My goodness, So I will go on my overalls
because I wasn't here last week, So I think this to kind of combo
this weekend last week together. I think this week I am in the camp
where I because I think there's been a debate of like, I feel like
it's been more mixed this season, right, I don't think like a bad
mix. But I think it's been more like you know, there's been a
contention of oh, it's a good season, it's fun, or hey,
not a lot is happening. I'm in the camp where I have enjoyed it,
but I do agree with some of the sentiments where especially like last week
it was you know, episode six, and that was you know, just
two way from the finale, And I did like last week and the last
five minutes you've got lots of kind of revelations or kind of showing which pass
we're gonna go for the end of the season. But I did agree that
a lot of it which was fun, all the tech night stuff, all
the sex stuff, a good time, lots of fun, but it was
it was one of the more over top, over the top episodes. And
I think this season, I think, what's different, I'll have to really
think back on it, where I feel it's a very much more specific character
stuff like hewing his dad Butcher and what's going on is his mind and his
homeland, or and dealing with not only some but just like evolving, where
I feel like the other scenes were a bit more plot progressions. So that's
where I feel like that might be throwing some people off, and I could
agree where versus this week though, and I think it is okay because it's
a penultimate. It kind of feels like for it's tough because I feel like
you can say this is great and it's almost like Game of Thrones, and
then they said their great pen ultimate episodes. And I do think this is
a great episode, but it feels like we got a lot that happened in
the last twenty minutes to a point where you maybe I don't know how,
but I think you maybe could have spread some of it out because, like
I said, for the past few weeks that you know, like And another
example was that episode where it was like the Animal's episode with the v right,
like other than getting John Carlow back, that felt like another like okay,
Like it's like you get the scientists and that's it and the rest is
kind of okay. Lots of high jigs. I think that's been the thing
that people have been talk about, is there been too much hijienks versus plot
progression. But I think this one had a good combo of it. I
will say they brought U what is his name, web Weaver back, Yeah,
we won't spell it happens there. We'll just say, like that's some
that shtick for me, I had enough of it. Like this episode was
just like the same joke over and over. But overall, I think this
is a very penultimate episode, last twenty minutes. Is you want progression,
you get a lot of it. It's just like boom boom boom, very
very fast. So I think the finale is gonna be great, and I'm
kind of hoping that means that it sounds a weird thing to say, but
season four, I think the long run, I think it's always gonna be
good. I think so far I would put it below all the other seasons.
But I think it's gonna be weird to say this about the entire season,
but it might feel like a setup season so episode or season five,
they can just really go balls to the walls, no pun intended. So
I think there's pros and cons with that because you can get some stuff of
the way, but at the same time kind of suffer. But I think
this was a really good setting the table for the finale. Also, like
I said, with the back half, that delivered on some big, big
moments, some you know, cool fight scenes, some big character shifts as
well, and that's where it just it literally just felt like they hit like
a jump forward button on some people like, Oh, we're just gonna get
this right now. I was like, okay, so I'm interesting where that
goes. There's one twist in particular that did not see coming at all.
I think they did that kind of on purpose. But man, that's a
that's a shitty that's a shitty situation to be And so yeah, I think
this was probably the best episode of the season so far. So yeah,
that's where it was last week. I enjoyed it, and that's where I
would just end up being too tired, uh to make it. So I
think you were holding on the floor. Even though there's probably some disparagure things
said about me again geek first day me tayor rest the match number four.
But I think there's a lot of intriguing things. Like I said, maybe
it's kind of like it feels almost similar to the Act Lite penultimate, where
like I wonder if this would have been better like a little earlier on in
the season. I don't know what they have planned for season five that's different
than Aclite, right, because we don't even know, if there's a season
two, season five, it could be all constructed where they had had this.
I think maybe this could have been a bit more of exciting episode earlier
and we could have got some progression and there's some stuff like I don't know
what the fuck we're doing with the Frenchy storyline Comico, you know, like
we do this one storyline and it's just like it's Lily just flipped like oh,
that's so where it's like, well, like I said, I just
like, is this a character that we just don't have anything to do and
should we just killed all like same thing? Maybe we should just fucking kill
them off in the middle of the season. People be like, man,
a big progression. I'm not saying it because they don't like french Schie.
They just did Like I said, I liked this episode a lot. I
still cons where they just did something where I went, what was the point
of this. It's just it just feels like we've been here before, and
it just feels like at easy out of Oh this is a big step for
this character, Like oh nah, actually we're just kind of back to the
status quo. It's like, all right, I really don't know what we're
what we're doing here sometimes with that character specifically, can we go less?
So? But so I don't have no cons. But uh yeah, what
were your thoughts on this episode? Yeah, I don't. I don't have
any cons either. I think it is I said I had cons, You
had cons? Oh, you know, you don't think The French schie thing
is when we get to spoilers as far as like we're they do this thing
and then they're like, yeah, this person I think figured it out and
we're into retrospect. It's it impacts negatively those other episodes more than this one.
I would say, Uh, then we got all those episodes of building
up this thing and then it's like this big thing that he does, and
now it's just they just took it back. They yeah, yeah, that's
that's it. So over. Although I really like the episode. It moves
things along and yeah, there's some there's some twists in here, there's some
confrontations I wasn't expecting, and I felt like we had a lot of really
just lines drawn and sentimental moments too with some of these characters. So I
really really liked it, and it has really set up the next finale.
The next episode of the finale quite well that I'm just I'm on edge.
I'm excited to see it, and I think you're right though, I think
that this is just acting as kind of like that set up season right,
and it's gonna season five is gonna be just absolutely crazy. I think so.
So I hope so yeah, I imagine. Well, especially with the
being the last one, I don't want to hear in that shit. I
can't. The guy that plays m m manthey started like, Oh, we're
trying to angle it to be like a cliffhanger season, so we could do
a movie. I'm like, I don't want that, Like I I know,
you do the Boys movie. Something else. I don't want the show
to end this way. So anything else non spoiler. Ah, just the
way this episode ended, I I wasn't expecting it. I felt like,
okay, well something something's different. But I wasn't expecting that. That caught
me off guards. So yeah, that's that's crazy. Yeah, So let's
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you get episodes ad free. But if not, we're gonna take a break
and then we'll be right back and we're back. Yeah, let's start with
that one, because that's definitely the biggest one, because I don't because obviously
we've met characters before, like that Homelander got like the guy Homelander was messing
around with season two. I can't remember his name where he's like a changing
a shape shifter, right, but I can't remember. I think he had
some generic name like shape shifter or change or something or whatever. His was
different where his body like doppleganger, right, his body morphed. And then
so we met this character her and now I'm forgetting because it's you know,
almost two am here. Where did it's the character that cut Hue? Where
were they originally? What were they looking into in this episode when they found
this character, because he's the whatever they are, they're the shooter. Basically,
they're gonna fascinate the president. And so they were hired by Sage and
they found the documents of the heist and the plans for the building of this
event, right, and they're right apart. Okay, so I forgot about
the stage part. Yeah, they got that documents. They find this girl
that's all beat up, so the think, oh, who's this poor girl?
Well, who knows what gender this thing is? I think it's gonna
have a general probably like that gen v character. But uh, they find
this poor girl looking a little rough, maybe beaten in a claw as that
here. He goes to help her out, gets the knife to the hand,
and then she starts to run, and they're like, oh, this
is weird. And then all of a sudden, there's just like little globes
of like skin everywhere and there's black, Like, what the fuck's going on?
So then when it seems like this character, unlike doppel Ganger that like
is a mystique that shapes the body, this seems like it's more like a
snake situation that sheds their skin, but instead of just shutting their skin to
be themselves again, they showed their skin to be someone new. And so
this is the person that takes to the president. And this is where it
felt like, not Rush, but I almost wonder if this could have been
something that could have been in last week or something, because it does feel
like we meet this character now huge like huge situation that has been presented not
only trying to kill the president, but just with our character. So this
character gets away, We'll get to other stuff, but later on, you
know, tough day for the boys, Starlight and God Butcher getting a beer
together, and this fan wants to take a picture with Starlight. She goes
to well, I don't know which way to tell, but I guess I
can tell it in chronological order that she goes to the washroom and this fan
hits her with some sort of chloroform, knocks her out, locks her up,
and then what we did that happens at the end of the episode.
What they showed us first was he was back at home when he's talking with
Starlight and Starlight has the costume on, even though she looked like she had
no interest in it whatsoever. So I was with you, was like,
eh, this seems like a little something might be off. And even then,
like I get like because they start to have sex and again throws a
passion, but it felt it just felt different where it's just weird because that's
still Huey. So I don't know, like I guess it's just saying classic
mail and whatnot, but it just felt too almost like joyous for a day
where it's like things aren't really going well, but yeah, they have sex,
and then they cut to Huey asleep and Starlight's looking them all happy,
saying, Okay, they're just that's what it is. Even if they had
this very good, happy sex and maybe that's what they just needed and they'll
go on with the day. But no, uh, Starlight, fake Starlight
goes the safe, opens it up, gets some stuff, gets the laptop,
everything, those documents on Victoria. So that's not good. And then
they reveal that, like we just talked about chronologically, that this you know
snake person, this you know this changer that's the one that was with Hue
and did the swap at the bar, And yes, Starlight is locked up.
And I have some questions about starlight strength overall now, because I felt
like she did like all superpowers have like stronger strength, but I feel like
in the fight with the Deep until a train showed up, she got like
her ass kicked the entire time. She's not an ADVID fighter, I would
say, right, I don't think any of them really are. But I
just felt like they made it so one sided. And then I guess maybe
she doesn't have strength because I thought you would break through this chain, but
I guess she just really doesn't. That looks like I mean, I think
she has strength for sure. I mean, she was lifting up the deep
just by having her fingertips and his gills, right, that takes strength with
the folkol man so and those chains looked like they were extra fortified with something
in there, So I guess I'll have to hear it next episode. I'm
sure they'll just get some bullshit reason as far. Oh yeah, this is
this is Vaught tested whatever. I'm sure that'll be at even then. I'm
excited, I guess, but more interested of why they're keeping her alive.
But yeah, what did you think about this twist here that hu has now
had sex with so it's not Starlight and now they've lost all the files and
Starlight is locked up. So that's quite the triple hitter right there. For
the opposing side, Yeah, I can't see Starlight getting broken free in the
finale. I feel like something's gonna come life or death kind of scenario.
Cliffhanger is gonna happen for her there, because something was creaking on the floorboards
when she was like chain and looking around. It was completely catching me off
guard. The fact that yeah, this this changer did not need to have
sex with Hughie, but just so offt to to just to I guess make
him go to sleep like it could It could have gone so many different ways,
did not have to go that way, but the Changer chose that way
so she could just kill them. Like that's the thing where it's like,
why wouldn't you just kill Huie and that he has no reason it's you Like
that's where especially because that's why I'm interested to see, Like I'm guessing maybe
it's Newman that did that, right, because maybe she just wouldn't. She's
still we see that her and Hue still get along and it's said right,
and I think she doesn't view him. She used him as the opposing side,
but not maybe as I don't think the Newman has any tat like connection
to the Changer though, I think that's all sage and that was just the
Changer just I don't know, being fucked up. Maybe. I'm sure it'll
come into play later on and I'll have a very effective dynamic between the two
characters once Hue finds out. I guess it finds out too. I guess
it's just interesting because people to bring this up before, but especially this situation,
I'll have to see the reasoning because just why wouldn't this changing, just
kill Hueie, Like what what? What reason do they need Hue alive for
anymore? So that's why I think it's Newman, because she would say,
don't kill him. That does make sense. I feel I feel like Sage
has her reasons, especially because we know she knew that a training was the
leak the whole time and was just choosing to Like she she doesn't. It
doesn't seem like she wants these people to be getting killed. Why we got
killed and she's like, oh, like Homeland is just killing people and she
doesn't want that. I think she wants people in specific places so that she
can either use them or just I guess everyone is of value to a certain
degree, and so that's so I feel like even the boys are valuable because
a train's giving them information and what they do with that information will help her
and her cause. I originally thought that when the Changer was in the closet
and was like, oh, you're Starlight and she touches Starlight and then we
see her start changing, I thought, Okay, she's going to turn to
Starlight and assassinate the president as Starlight. That would really fuck. She's still
might and she's still light. So they we'll see how that that scenario unfolds,
because that scene wasn't ending with her changing out of that skin, right,
so she can say it Starlight and if you want to keep your cover,
like if you want to keep things cope athetic if she goes missing Hue
and everyone would know the plus like if she goes missing the laptop it's missing,
I feel like that makes people a lot more worrisome because then that's too
where the lap I was just missing. That's oh, hey, we were
sleeping someone broken or someone broken while we weren't away. Where if Starlight's missing,
then I think you go to death con right away. Okay, laptop's
missing and Starlight's gone, so someone's really fucking with us. So no,
I thought it was a good surprise. Now I'm trying to say, oh,
I'm never not often surprised by shows because I can be, but like
I still feel like even like House of Dragon the battle there where it's like
it's great, but you kind of know, okay, second character does this,
Ah, they're probably not gonna make it, and that's fine because that's
the storytelling and it's like going well, but that's where it's like this was
a genuine surprise, and I think that's one good thing where this character was
featured enough. I still think you could have featured them last week with the
same amount of screen time, but they weren't in there for I'm glad they
didn't do something like a whole episode of Starlight maybe being off and then the
reveal. I think they were smart to do it at the end like this,
and I kind of wish that. You know, it's kind of funny.
Last year we got Secret Invasion and we're kind of getting a version like
this. This was always my pitch of, like, I'm not the biggest
Scrolls fan, but might always which was, Okay, if you're gonna have
someone that's to scrawl and it's someone we know, show us the you like
the viewers first, so we're in on it, and then that's like,
oh, the whole time we can watch knowing like next week if we see
her with the boys, we can go, oh, well, that's not
real Starlight and you get to analyze and everything where a big twist. Sometimes
you can kind of feel like you got screwed out of it. So this
was like a fun being literally screwed out of it because it's one scene where
you're like, oh, this is odd, but okay, they're just feeling
it in the moment. She's back in her caution and she had no interest
in But that's where it's like you don't feel too betrayed because it's like a
two minute scene. You're like, Okay, that's clever. Where a whole
episode even or a season, like you know, Secret Invasion sometimes doesn't always
pan out the greatest. But yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen.
I don't think she'll you know, I don't think there'll be any ill will
to the sex aspect. That just sucks. But like, how is he
supposed to? No? I guess right, because that's a you know,
that's a difficult situation. It's I mean, how I guess she might.
I guess she might say something like, oh you should know what the suit.
I just really don't want them to be broken apart or fighting or anything
like that. Again, I want them to be back on the same wavelength.
So hopefully it's just looked as like a you know, unfortunate incident,
but you move on from it. So we don't know the limit to of
the changer. Now do they inherit the powers of another suit that they touch.
I don't think so, because I was thinking, like every time they
do a sex scene with Hue and Starlights, she's always like she doesn't and
her eyes to glow. Yeah, and they cut it in here so you
don't see that, so that was another kind of miss. Yeah. I
don't know if that's the case, because we like Doppelganger, that was just
period looks and you know, X men and obviously not the same can at
all, But that kind of varies at time, so I would prefer not
to. I always think that's almost too opie of a power. If you
get I know, it could be like to a weaker degree, but you
turn them and get their power, it's like, okay, that's that's a
bit much. But yeah, we'll see. I'm trying to think Starlights.
She had a conversation her mum or mom still kind of is disappointed there because
the abortion thing. So that's something. And then the other thing we can
talk about on transition is yeah, Starlight and uh, Butcher, who's just
fucking knocking on death door not looking good? Uh. They were attacked at
the Boys Center office run number by the Deep and Black Noir, which is
very interesting because they were we thought that Black Nor might just be a regular
guy actor, but I guess he's still a soup because he had powers,
he was taking shotgun things, he was fucking flying, and he's a narcoleptic.
Yeah. Yeah, so that that was interesting that I didn't think they're
going that rite. I was just there to intimidate. And then the Deep,
who's also just he's in the deep where he's feeling a lot of pressure.
He killed his octopus girlfriend accidentally, non accidentally, like he I think
he had enraged destroy the case, but he also didn't save her. So
I'm gonna say that's a that's a murder. That's that's definitely a murder.
Yeah. It was like that Shrek the Third death scene with the King dying,
because the is like the the heavy breathing of they think they're dead,
and this octopus kept wheezing behind the door. He's like, what the fuck.
I'm like, I don't remember any uh per. I guess she was
fucking a frog, so I guess it's the same thing. This guy's fucking
octopus. But yeah, I killed her and that was the start of this
is definitely the most aggressive I've ever seen the deep people goes right into Homeland,
in to the office. I'll kill everybody for y'all. Kill the fish
in the sea and his homelander. Now we get found out Layer that he
wants him just to go kill the boys. His homelander will get to him.
He's also just in the fucking deep as well. But they head over
there a trains in his full hero mode. Now he saves Hue and he
saves Starlight and Butcher. So it's great we've gone that full turn. I
hope he makes it the season five, even if he dies. I I
worry that he's gonna die next week. I really hope. I think.
I hope. I just worry if they want one big death I could see,
like because he did get out and with his family and he got his
tracker, So I hope that's the situation. I just don't I want to
be around for the fanatic, just because he's It's that classic story, right
if he's having that hero turn around, finally doing good and then, like
my prediction does no matter what, I don't think he makes it to the
end of the show. That's what I'll say. I think he will bite
the dust because I think that's a classic die a hero. Yeah, but
like that sucks. He's finally becoming a hero, so he couldn't stay longer
been a hero. But yeah, that's why it's gonna suck. He'll turn
that. But yeah, what did you think of the fights he obviously they
did not win there. They again also made the Deep seem stronger than I
thought he was because they beat him up and they throw this huge weight on
his head and they say something why about killing him? And Mm's like,
oh, you got an idea? So it's like does Deep also is like
how do you kill him? Like? I feel like the Deep doesn't need
to be an invincible being. You know, there's probably certain degrees of resilience
that these characters have. And I mean when you see a soup kill another
soup, well, like Homelinder. I mean, Homelander's got all the Bee's
knees, so it's different. But yeah, I don't know what the limitations
are with a Deep. As for him and Black Noir showing up, I
thought it was I thought it was pretty awesome. I like seeing the Deep
just be batshit crazy for a second when he did appear there, I thought,
is he also going to be like just usually playing Homelander and he's turning
on a new leaf here, But no, he was calling uh, Starlight
a bitch and he was just getting pissed off. And I like seeing Starlight
have a little bit of like vindication here and kind of getting her revenge on
the Deep a little bit because he just did her so dirty in that first
first season. So I yeah, this is well warranted, especially like I
think it's a good thing of a train saving them because you can see the
differences of a character finally learning their differences where or learning from their mistakes where
Deep is literally this episode he's going, oh, and you accused an innocent
man? He's like, no, you like he like sexually assaulted, and
like there was it was like a clean cut, clear case that you were
a terrible person. Is a white man the victim, yeah, innocent cancelation
and stuff. So I think it was good to have them phase off to
show like the two sides of the coin. The person that saw the light
and think I got it changes and I can't. I gotta be a better
person and shout out to last week's episode when he did save MM and that
kids saw him and was like inspired and a train was for the first time's
life like an actual hero. But then you see the other side of the
coin where it's the cowardice, where someone keeps falling back into doing these things.
And now I think that Deep is like he's never more been more committed
to Homelander than he is right now, you know. So yeah, scary,
it's scary. Yeah, I'll be just gonna see what goes on there.
And I thought that Black North had taken off, but I'm kind of
glad he's stuck around. I like that he's talking and just when he's flying
and doing all this crazy shit, everyone's freaking the fuck out, like what's
going on? And yeah, then MM shows up and just mukes him with
the mini gun out the window, which is pretty crazy. Yeah, they
had a lot of weapons in there, which was smart. So a lot
of weapons are very very smart. I like the follow up of them,
just obviously they reported a trained Homelander and they're talking down the hallway and you
just get like a thirty second scene like bro bro bro, And then they
find out that Sage was sleeping with both of them, but she was not
dumbing herself down. To sleep with Black Noir. Deep's like bro kind of
an insult for the Deep, for the deep there that she just still a
bottomize herself to be with him. So yeah, no, we'll see.
I think Deep will make it to the very end, and I hope Starlight
kills him for whatever. She's gonna need more, I guess than heavy lifting
and everything. But yeah, no, he's like I said, no punt
him, but he's going off the deep end. I don't think he's killing
his fish partners now. And now he's lost Sage, so I don't know
what's gonna happen there. And then yeah, to transition to Homelander, he's
he's a more of a mess than ever. Ryan's just not really cooperating.
He's mad about this leak situation. Firecracker says, it's web Weaver, who
like kind of kind of was I give her that, yeah, in a
way, but I don't think he was like the leak. But I feel
like she thought he was the leak, and web We've unfortunately kind of answered
questions that made it sound like he was the leak. Oh he was coked
up right, Yeah, So that was a scene that I didn't I won
too many web far jokes. I get. He's like, oh, I'm
nervous, like to me too, right when they walk in and then maybe
another one. They did it like four times. I was over and I
was, Okay, this isn't funny for me anymore. Homelander decides to kill
him, just rips him in half in front of a Firecracker, which is
interesting because I feel like she's not really a love interest per se, but
she may grow to be, or she kind of is. But I feel
like between oh, I can't remember the girl in the first one, but
the girl that was original breast Milk one and then storm Front all his like
love interests have seen him kill, and then it's I guess spoke one in
the first season. I don't even think that was a love interest. That
was what Firecracker is, right, No, he loved her. They they
were having sex and everything like that. Were they having sex yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, they got it on. Yeah, so they were in
a relationship. But and like I said, I guess maybe him did date.
But I'm saying his main ones for our show, in our when our
timeline we were watching both those characters knew what a bad person Homelander was and
was either fine with it or employed that where I don't think firecrackers against it,
Like she's not turning against him. Later on this episode, she offers
her assets again, but I think she was so very surprised that homelanders kind
of this brutal and that's where it's interesting. I don't think she's gonna turn
anything, but I think now she feels a little out of her death.
Then yeah, she did offer herself and he said no, he pushed everyone
away. I fan again, this fits the home Lander character, but an
egotistical, like idiot in a way of I don't get why he's crying about
a tran and being the league because it's like, you've treated this guy like
shit for like at least four years years, four seasons and he's like acting
like this is like his fucking brother or like a wife betraying, and he's
like, oh my, I could believe it. Hands like what like out
of everybody, like I get because he's like the one of the only last
original seven from when we started the show, not counting the New Black Noir.
So I think that fit Homelander, that he was so worked up about
it, But like, I don't know man. You you pressured this man
and do a lot of bad things. So but yeah, Homelander, he's
uppity. Yeah, but Homelander again, he also looked like he is the
deep is going a bad route, but he's more just like motivated, where
Homelander, I feel like we could next week get the thing where he just
snaps and murders a bunch of innocent people, Like I really think he is
very And now that was last chair in the top two, that Ryan.
He didn't say whatever the truth was, which I don't know what he was
gonna say. I don't know if he was just gonna out fought or what
the case is on some stuff. But either way, he's not listening to
Homelander now. So I feel like that vision he had a couple of seasons
ago where he just lasered a bunch of people, I could see something similar
but real life this time, because I feel like he's he's really at the
end of his rope right now. He doesn't he's even when he killed those
signs is a couple episodes ago, he seemed more like calm, collected and
at peace, where now he's just he's fidgeting around, he's crying, he
just he's a complete mess right now. And I think we're gonna see something
really bad happen next week with Homelander. Yeah, no, I agree.
I think he's the only thing he's got left is firecracker in her breast milk.
But it's only gonna go so far because he's shut that down. He's
really really alone because he still has Nor and Deep, but Noora doesn't really
count. He knows it's not the same Noir in Deep. Yeah, he
doesn't doing it. Noir is still like he's still with them, right,
like he's still gonna fall orders, I guess. So it's like yeah,
yeah, oh, I love when Deep gave that proclamation of I'll kill everybody,
I'll kill all of a sudden like fish in the Seventh Seas, and
he's like, all that's great, Like he like he said he gave no
shits about like the Deepest pretty much doing like uh in my acts and the
even when we saw when he left that message to Ryan when he say,
okay, can you do this for me? Okay, great? Thanks,
love you buy, Like he's like, that's where I guess the Deep so
dumb he won't pick it up, but Ryan does pick it up that,
Yeah, starting to show that he doesn't care about him, maybe as much.
I don't know, because I do think Homelander does care about Ryan.
We've seen that before. But I think it's just that again, if it
comes down to Ryan versus Homelander, Homelander is always still gonna pick himself,
you know. Oh yeah, no, for sure, He's done that so
many times already, even with this phone call where he's like, oh,
just do it for me, you know, the show for me. Yeah,
So what do you think Ryan was gonna say when he was gonna say
the truth and then he left the way. Oh, I don't know.
I mean, I'm not even sure everything that he does know, But it's
it's tricky, Well what his Homelander really told him, right, like let
him out any secrets? I don't think he knows about concentration camps for the
disobeyors and the new Vaughtland the Homelander wants to create. So and if he
doesn't, I feel like that time he spent with Mallory, I know he
was a kid, but I feel like Mallory should have just been giving him
all that info about all that bad stuff. So like if Homelander ever did
get him. It wasn't like a, oh, this is my dad and
I just love him, you know, because you don't want Homelander to just
outright kill him. No, but in a way where I think, like
tell him that, but Ryan maybe doesn't share that with Homelander, in a
way where it's okay, you got to keep this close to the vest because
there's stuff that's going on, or even like does he know the like I
would hope not, because, like, as I say, does he know
truth that Homelander like raped his mom or in order to get him? But
I feel like if he does know that, I wouldn't be down for him
sticking around again. I still don't really understand why again a minor writing flaw
in the middle of the season where Ryan right now is acting the same way
he was in the star of the show. But we had those like two
episodes where he was back completely with Homelander, and it was odd where he
was like when they're like making fun of the guy and asking the guy that
to kneel and apologize to that girl. Remember that episode? I do?
Yeah, So yeah, I feel it's just weird that he rejected Homelander here
again and vought again. So I feel like we didn't need those middle episodes
of him kind of being like a prick again. It felt like we were
going that way and they just did to try and swerve us, but we
still got the same end result. But I'm curious because again Homelander did not
look happy with seeing this on the TV, So I I don't know.
I don't think he's gonna kill Ryan. I think that would happen in like
a combat situation. But yeah, I really I don't know what he's gonna
do to respond here. I don't know if he's gonna try and kill the
boys again, if he's gonna try and kill because he kills Bum. I
don't know if he's gonna try and kill Butcher, which was pretty much dead
anyway. So I really don't know what's gonna happen next week with those two.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you. It's gonna It's gonna be interesting again,
whatever his secret is. That's that's what I'm curious about. But maybe
he'll run off and go try and find Butcher. I guess Butcher's incapacitated right
now and is gonna go to the hospital, So yeah, maybe Ryan will
go there. It's it's hard to sing, that's what I laugh, Like,
I'm gonna jump it all over. But I just didn't have this my
notes. I don't want to forget it when h M M. Last week
he fainted, right, and then this week he uses as a reason why
he can't be cut out for this he has to spend time with his family.
Doesn't know much. He's caught when he's like, all right, Butcher,
you're back in the lead, and I get the family angle. But
when he's trying to say like, oh, I can't lead the team because
I feigned I might not have the health, it's like, well, Butcher
is also not the guy to lead the team too, because like he could
be dead in fucking hours. Like I actually felt like he was gonna get
to Huie there and he didn't, and he gave it back to Butcher.
So I thought that was odd for him to be like, yeah, I'm
really unhealthy, but here's your new leader again, Butcher, who is,
like I would say, like easily more unhealthy than whatever MM might be dealing
with. Right, So yeah, I don't know. Let's see Butcher not
much in this episode. Really, he cutdated them on the plan as far
as he got Newman's husband and cut his leg off, and they're working on
a new cocktail because the old one was maybe too strong. And that's what
I did. Like when they're like that's Genni's like, yeah, you kill
them all and he's like yeah, and that's why I'm here telling you about
it, like he I think he's like trying his best to show like,
hey, he did discover this would kill everybody, but he went the extra
mile to go tell them all right, he didn't. Just so again you've
seen from the whole season, all the shows, but specific last season,
that's a character that, Okay, he has changed. Maybe the old Butcher
would have done that, but uh, he's ignoring the Yeah, he's ignoring
Kessler and all that his hallucinations, and his ex wife isn't appearing anymore,
it seems, Yeah, which is odd because especially I guess I was trying
to push him to do some bad things. So you feel like the angel
on his shoulder might come in, but we'll get that one more time.
But yeah, I think that was most of the episode, was him in
a situation and then him talking to the you know thing in his mind,
pretty much, and I like it for the most part. I think because
I like Jeffer Deine Morgan, I enjoyed. Maybe if it was another actor
I wouldn't, but uh, I'm enjoying them so far. In this episode
end with him collapsing, so again, I don't. I really don't think
they're gonna kill him before season five. I think that would be a great
miss a great mistake. But uh, they won't do it. They'll keep
him. Well, he's gonna be hanging in on a thread, I hope.
So we have to see what his superpower is right that, because he
was taunting He's like Kessler like, do the Ezekiel things? So I think
we're gonna get an answer to that, and uh maybe against home Lander,
he's oh, because he took the V and everything. No, well,
remember in the office when black Nor was kicking his ass and Starlight was there
with the Deep and he's just he's on the ground. He's like, uh,
Kessler, like, what have you did with Ezekiel? Do it now?
And he calls Kessler out later like why didn't you answer me when I
called out? And he's like the silence works. Sound treatment works both ways,
and even Starlight was asking him, like, who's Kessler? Why are
you calling out to him when we're fighting the black nor in the deep?
So what does that have to do? But you're having a power though,
because I think he associates that Kessler has somehow been able to help him get
out of that Ezekiel situation. Okay, yeah, right, because we talked
about that with that cabin and who would help them out there? So okay,
maybe I could maybe buy it, So yeah, we'll see. And
then not much here his wife kissed him, says he wants or back in
him to be a family a game, but just has to leave. But
classic MM can't leave because he's got to say or help the boys. To
me, this was just like I was fine at this. This like was
to give something for MM to do. But I like this more than what
they give Comico and Frenchy sometimes. So I enjoyed it, and I hope
this is a character that does make it all alive. I hope it's not
a guy. It's just a question that he has to be a part of
the Boys the rest of his life, you know, or die. Like
I want him to be with his wife and his daughter, especially after they
were with that idiot guy for a while, the major like Homelander supporter that
ended up being killed. Anyways, But do you think Emma can make it
out of the show live? Uh? Oh, don't like that. I
hope he does. I hope he does. I don't think French she's gonna
make it. I kimical. I thought was toast this episode. I really
did. I thought ys for amplifying. But I hope emmm does. I
think he deserves it. But in the boys classic faction like fashion, I
could see them just I could see them killing everyone, to be honest,
Yeah, surprisingly unsurprisingly, but I hope he survives because yes, his family's
gone to what Belize? I think it was Belize. Yeah, he was
supposed to go there, but he luckily came back and helped out a train.
So who a train again? Interesting situation Ashley last week was very interesting,
just having the actress like good on her for selling it, just like
lines like oh the swamp down there like that stuff like like it's a good
honor for selling all that. But yeah, this character again, she's not
like I don't know if we did a top ten of the boy should even
be up there. But she's all that was a minor interesting character where and
kind of a sad character. Last couple episodes ago, she's trying to get
out of there and then that one you know, assistant got killed, so
she shred her resume, didn't go to Disney. Here, she gives a
tray the pitch, which where he's like kind of like thrown it back.
He's like no, She's like, no, not the fuck, just like
just so we can get out of here, like let's just go. So
I do like that they established because at one point she like not fell in
his arms, but like it was leaning on and touching his chest. I
was like, oh, no, what are they doing here? But I
like that. It's more they're kind of friends by default as far as they're
both in the shit. We need somebody, So I like the es STAPs.
Okay, it's not a love thing, it's a friendship thing. But
then she had the idea to just get out of there, but when a
Trian present with the idea, she check it out and just couldn't go through
with it. And it sucks because I do you know, she's not like
a perfect person, but she's also better than a lot of the other characters.
Like, as far as it's morally wise. She did help out a
tray this season. As we said last season she helped me escape and fake
her death, so there is a good person in there. I really worry,
Like, I honestly think she could die next week. I think she
could be a cashual. It's tough. She could wait. She lasts a
whole time and going to a gen V show and stuff, and I hope
she does. I think this character is really good and I enjoy her playing
it. But at the same time, I could just see them I don't
know, opening up or like just middle next week's episode and Homelander having an
issue and then killing her, you know, like she's just spend She's expendable
that way. But I thought it was, like I said, I think
a good job by the actress and the one that plays a train as well.
I thought it was heartbreaking that she has this chance to go, but
she won't go because she's just too scared about if she gets caught. I'm
presuming and you know obviously would die, so uh because she's not a soup.
So yeah, I hope she somehow makes it out of all this.
But I don't know what's your read on Ashley so far. I hope that
she kind of does make it out of this because yeah, she's God,
she's super super stressed, full of anxiety, and I like that she's been
turning over to like a new leaf. Well, people might contest it and
say, well, what about all that ship with tech NYA and the dungeon
and all that. Well, she was not there to like kill anyone.
She was Oh yeah, she was having a good time. Yeah, they
weren't trying to kill web Weaver. They thought he was all complicent. It
wasn't. And fuck, I guess that's a really tough like couple days for
Hugh. His sex life is going to be all over the map. He
kind of gets like assaulted by people that they think, you know, he's
for but he's not. And now he gets sex with a different person.
That's that's a tough His dad's dead. His dad's dead. That's a tough
pill to swallow. So yeah, so we'll see about Ashley. We'll think,
do you But so you say you want to do you think I'm I'm
going with that. She's gonna die and die, I gonna fin Yeah,
I think Homelander is gonna pop pop off and execute her. I don't know
why he hasn't yet she annoys the ship out of him. He's just preventing
not even say anymore. Yeah, I guess he needs it for times like
this where he got rid of stage. Now he has no one right so
actually can just slide back in and she'll have like new members of the Seven
and that he could join or asked to join, because what it's him Firecrackadoor
and the Deep. So they're down by three members. So and the obviously
they can't get out. I'm hoping that it does. So that hurts this
kind of stance even more. And we'll see, Yeah, can he go
in French sheet, I'll talk about them, because, as I said before
the first half the season, I didn't have much interest in the whole I've
done a lot of mistakes. I'm a bad person. I should go to
prison. And they did that. Okay, he made loves to the guy
he liked. Okay, that's all cool. And then they need French chief
for this poison which they found. They figured out way where they could at
least kill Newman with it and other mutants or soups, but not for sure.
On Homelander and it's like a safer one. Kamiko got hit with it
this episode and got hit the Doctor Gordon treatment of needing to cut off that
leg before the before the blood. Now I can't remember her character. She
got a heel of back like Deadpoolers her legs. Yeah, she can regenerate.
Yes, that's what I thought too. That's okay, this leg's going
way too easy here. But yeah, like I said to me, it's
like they built up this whole thing. He's feeling guilty, he turns himself
in and two episodes later for a Butcher, I think it was Butcher that
just said, oh yeah, or we got him back. I had Malloy
pull some favors and it's just like for and I didn't love the storyline,
but at least I got there doing of Okay, guilty man wants to tone
for his sins, so they do this whole Like you said, I think
hurt watching later on where they do this whole thing to get this in motion
and he's just off Scott free again. He was in prison, he turned
himself in, and I's like, oh, he's part of the boys and
him Comico have like a pow wow they're smiling and laughing because she tells her
story, which I thought was good enough, a good little origin there,
but no way where I think it's gonna be. I don't know. It's
what do you think about this? I need some water. That's why I
just think that it's the way that he got out of prison. It was
just such an easy, like a cop out of a of a situation.
It feels like it was all for nothing, really, like that whole story
about him feeling like those the flashbacks, the dream sequences. It's just like
you said it will affect on Rewatch, It's like, well, it just
he goes jail on nothing, and it doesn't even sound like he's going back.
It's not like, Kay, your help was that then you go back?
It just sounds like he's like out. So it's just like it just
feels like a waste of time. Yeah, no, I I agree.
It's it's unfortunate because I would have liked to have seen kind of how it
progresses, and it was just wrapped up in this episode where like Kimmicko shares
her origins a little bit, and how you both have to live with this
and they both can be there for each other, not alone, and we
had a I think at least two episodes of French. She just wasn't present.
He was just in jail, chemicals, just showing up at the police
station. Doesn't want to be he doesn't want to be seen. So yeah,
I just think it was was a little bit rushed and it wasn't necessarily
needed that as far as storylines go. It was definitely the filler storylines for
these episodes to kind of do things along. I like, I do like
Frenchie. He's He's one of my favorite characters. I just think he's I
like his his spirit and seeing him down the dumps definitely was was hard and
rough. But I'm glad that he's back. I'm glad he's working with the
team, and I hope he makes it through. I think he doesn't.
I think he I know in season five, I think that's as he'll have
his journey there. We can go to jail. But yeah, like I
said, I think it's for me with what they gave us, and if
he does die in season five, but they gave us in season four,
I think he should have died like midway with a sacrifice play, and that's
the route you go and then Kumiko has something to do because she's very hurt
and alone and everything. So it's kind of like the Nick Fury thing where
I think, to me, I think they m you should kill off Nick
Fury a while back ago, and now it's like, if you do it,
it's like and French, she's not exactly in the situation. I was
gonna say Nick Fury kill Now it's okay, cool, who cares? But
that's I don't feel that way exactly about friendship. But this whole switcheroo did
make me feel like, Okay, there's less stakes with his character because things
can just happen if Butcher puts in a call, you know, yeah,
is there anybuddy or anything we haven't talked about yet that we you know,
Hugh. We asked Victoria to kind of for a truce, and she just
can't do it. She feels like, I guess they're too far along so
and she might have had this plan already, So that sucks. I thought
I thought it might work, but it didn't. So yeah, that's uh,
it was worth a try, and she's very sincere with him and all
that. But it'll be interesting to see because he was threatening her, but
not threatening her because he does care about her as well. And now with
this information, if it does get leaked, it's just I don't think it
is going to get leaked. I think it's just gonna be well Homelander doesn't
know about a lot of this stuff with the plan, So Sage was the
one working with the shooter the changer, and the changer has the laptop.
So is this going to give Sage still more control? Like it, Yeah,
you just need to see how Sage kind of works her way back in
there and that I mean, that's a golden ticket. If Sage goes up
to Home Lind and says, hey, I got all the information on Newman's
so we can force her to do whatever we want to control her. Or
if it's not Sage, and I, like I said, if it's Newman,
I wonder if there's a routework stage. I don't think joins the Boys
would help someone's like a screw YouTube Homeland or because he got super just like
go back to your hut and your dumb and everything like that, so she
could be a scorn person. It's like, you know what I'm gonna I'm
gonna mess this guy up. And I'm gonna help out the other side,
and she'd be good to have on the other side, you know. So
yeah, is there anything else we haven't talked about character or storyline wise?
Hmmm, I can't think of anything. I think we hit all our notes.
Yeah, I think so too. So Yeah, next week's gonna be
interesting. We'll see. I think it'll be a big finale, and I
really think that other seasons have had it, but I just feel like we're
gonna do on like a big cliffhanger next week, that one of those of
like, fuck, I need the next episode right down that like, okay,
the dust settles. I feel like it's gonna be a lah almost something
what did happen last year with him shooting somebody meeting Homelander, but on a
bigger scale. We'll see, because he's just in back doing a lot of
things and people around him keep failing, and I feel like that's gonna eventually
snap, and then whatever conversation is with Ryan, that could be another breaking
point for him too next week. Like I think, I think for me
for season five, as much as I love Anthony starting Homelander, I don't
maybe it does have to be the whole season, But I do just want
to see Homelanders just fucking pop off and finally just snap snap, and not
really hold back at all, you know, and then become this massive threat
that he should be, not just kind of this thing that they try to
take out and then it doesn't work out and they go back to square one.
I want to be like when people complain about Man of Steel and the
city's turned down there, like that's what I want. Uh, you know,
I don't want an Instance to die. Of course, I'm saying just
for the just for the story wise, I kind of want him to make
that turn. But yeah, yeah, well we'll see. We will be
back next week for the finale of season four and hopefully it should be a
good one, and promise you it will not be boring in the day