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The Paranormal Project Radio Show. There
are your hosts, Scott Allen and Christina

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Bowen. Hello everyone, and welcome
back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show.

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My name is Scott Allen. I'm
here with my lovely co host Christina Bowen.

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How are you, my friend?
I am wonderful. Well, how

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are you? I'm good, I'm
good. You all ready for Christmas?

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No? Never? Yeah, you
know, right up to the last minute,

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right up to the last minute,
we've been This is the second show

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we've done today. We recorded our
show for next week. We're going to

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have Jeff Blander with us, but
we recorded that show today, so we're

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not going to be live next week, but we're going to have a great

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show for you in between Christmas and
New Year, so you don't want to

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miss that. But we have two
great guests tonight, the Kling brothers,

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Barry and Brad from Texas and they
run the Lone Star para con and of

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course we know they had the show
years ago, Ghost Lab, which they're

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known for, and uh, we're
going to bring them out here in a

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minute. So because we're going to
be there, you're going to be there,

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and the girls are going to be
there and looking forward to all the

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activities that are going to be going
on down and down in that neck of

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the woods. So Barr and Brad, come on out there, you go,

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Hi, guys, how are you
hey? Here? We are good,

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good to see you again. Thanks, thanks for coming back and being

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on with us, Thanks for having
us. Is this the first the first

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para coon that you put on the
lone Star is the first time you put

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it on? Or technically no,
we did another one, what five six

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years ago, twenty eleven. We
call that one fanom Fest. It was

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downtown San Antonio, the whole thing
at the Minger Hotel. But this one

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where this is right in our hometown, right where we grew up. Oh

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this is now, this isn't what's
the name of the time, is it?

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Hirsh shirts? Shirts like the shirts
shirts Yeah, yeah, Germany,

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the H and the Z. Yeah. But it looks like it's going to

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be a good time. I mean
really, you got a lot of good

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guests lined up, and you get
the VIP stuff going on, and what

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can people expect if they if they're
showing up, well, if hopefully you

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got on the VIP list. I
think the VIP sold out within like a

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week or two, I took the
last ticket. I think you did.

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That's not now, I do remember
you did take the last tickets. So

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you're the blame for everybody else that
came said sorry guys. You guys really

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know how to do VIPs. I
mean, y'all, y'all don't do this

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just a little bit. No.
I think that comes from us. We've

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been to vi P, you know, being other other events and VIP guests

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or whatever, the lecturers or speakers, and I've always uh, when we

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do ours, I just want to
get your bang for your buck, you

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know, just you know, San
Antonio, the Texas hospitality on the river

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Walk, and we really want to
showcase. We have a lot a lot

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of people coming from the North,
people that have never been to Texas and

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even the West Coast, even overseas. We have people coming from Australia,

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people come from London that you know
that we want to show off Texas.

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So the vi P We're going to
do it up right, you know,

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San Antonio. Start, We're gonna
take you downtown on actual fifty. We

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have two fifty passenger tour buses.
We're gonna load up in shirts. We're

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gonna take you down first class.
We're gonna go to Costa Rio Mexican restaurant,

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which is a very famous actually the
first restaurant on the Riverwalk back when

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it was built back in the forty
ninety. It's been in existence and this

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place is really cool. We're talking. We're gonna Mariachi's there when you come

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off the bus and welcome to San
Antonio. We're gonna full spread pahata inch

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a load of buffet with bar drinks
and and having a really it all overlooks

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the Riverwalk. I think hopefully the
lights will still be up from Christmas pretty

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down there. After we have a
huge meal, we're gonna stroll on out

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to the Riverwalk. Right there the
restaurant, we're gonna have three river barges

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pull up and they're gonna pick us
up and take us on a city tour

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on the river. You'll get to
see all the historical places and the restaurants

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and bars, and see the lights
and get the story from the guide of

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what San Antennia is all about.
We'll come back and it doesn't stop.

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We keep going. We're gonna we're
gonna walk from there about two blocks to

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the Alamo, and we're going to
do a little walking ghost tour and Animal

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Plaza is a few spots will go
there, and we're gonnat back on the

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bus. There's a couple of spots
we're gonna stop on on the bus that

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are haunted and have world great stories. Brad and I'll be running that and

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then we'll return the shirts. I
don't know about eleven o'clock at night,

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and then the next day it all, it all kicks off on Saturday.

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Yeah, big party. Yeah,
that's great. That's the vi P.

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Hopefully, like I said, you
got a ticket, Hopefully you'll be there.

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We try to cram as many people
as we could into it, but

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we're only limited to so many seats
at the restaurant, right, so we

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had to taper it off. That's
that's our problem too, is a lot

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of time when we when we put
these VIPs out, you know, people

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want to do the full thing because
we're not we to our downfall we made.

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We don't really charge a lot for
these things. It's like we we

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look at the price and go,
well, you know, what's it gonna

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you know, cover the cost and
break even and and all that kind of

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stuff, and people just eat them
up. And then you know a lot

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of people get upset. It's like, well, I wanted to do the

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vi P too. Yeah, you
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we do have to cut it off. But Barry, we keep adding things

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on. We're like, hey,
let's let's do a river tour. Hey,

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let's do a downtown tour. Hey, let's uh, you know,

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do all this kind of stuff and
and and we just we want people to

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have a good time. Like Barry
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buck. But it's it's definitely gonna
be done up right where we We've been

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the very lot of these events where
they have a vi P and it's basically

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uh, you know, maybe like
a pizza dinner and or something like that.

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It's like, no, you are
you are treated like a vi P

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on our our events. I've been
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dogs and that was the vi P
meal. That's our next year's event,

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hot Dogs on the Riverwalks. That's
the l i P event, the least

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important you can start selling tickets to
that, you know, like the I

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event. Oh gosh, so Dana
says high I said, I said,

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we harassed back. So watch out. Yeah, there you go, there

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you go. What is the vibe
in San Antonio? Is it more country

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Western or more Southwest? What?
What is I've never been to that part

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of Texas. Huge Hispanic culture here
and we're two hours from Mexico. We're

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considered south central Texas. Huge center, is a huge medical place. It's

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a huge military town. We have
like five military bases here in town.

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Lots of recreation of the lakes,
and we have Seaworldes Texas. We have

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a lot of pretty much. I
think we'll be like top in the top

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ten. I think of the number
cities in the country in Texas. Yeah,

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and we're up there. But I
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a vibe, you want to talk
that kind of vibe Hispanic and we have

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our honky tonks and country Western places
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a mix of those two. Yeah, I was to put my finger on

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it. Call it. We call
it text max. Even the food you'll

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you'll get fairly authentic, but we
call it text max, right right right?

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It has a twist. YEA.
So Friday, is that VIP tour

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that you're talking about and that when
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just that's just in the evening,
right, yeah, just an evening.

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We'll we'll leave in a bus about
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We'll be eating from five forty five
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a river about about eight that's about
an hour cruise, and then about nine

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nine fifteen will start the walking tour, hopefully wrap up, be back eleven

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eleven twenty something back like that.
Back at shirts. We're actually picking up

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and dropping off at the convention Center
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so people will be familiar with where
to go the next day that are

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VIPs and also the VIPs the next
morning, they're actually going to get exclusive

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access to the vendor area from eight
to nine there to get in an hour

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early before the public. The public
starts to get in at nine, so

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from eight to nine they'll have access
to that as well. On the lectures,

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part of that to v IB ticket
was the lecture and the speaker a

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portion of it. They're gonna get
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So that's kind of the run of
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what's cool about Saturday events free it's
free of the public people come out and

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just come check out the vendors,
check out the celebrities check out. We

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have authors and psychics and people selling
you know, jewelry and candles and just

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smrgsborg of different things going on on
the vendor hall and as well. You

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can purchase vendor speaker only tickets for
forty dollars if you like to go listen

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to the speaker. So it's it's
a low ticket item. It's nothing that's

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going to break the bank. Allowing
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like you to have money in your
pocket to spend on the vendors. A

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lot of these events you go to, you're spending sixty eighty bucks at the

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door just to get in. You're
like, now, what, I got

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no money spend on anything. So
well, not only that, but if

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you have a family of five or
six, you know, you don't want

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to be dropping three four hundred dollars
for you know, tickets for everyone,

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and then you show up and then
you're really out of luck. So you

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family, for nity, bring your
bring your you know, your kids,

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your cousins, you'r we want everyone
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if you've noticed this, but a
lot of paranormal stuff is typically in like

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the Northeast and the Midwest, Like
that's where a lot of the paranormal conventions

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and the paranormal like the locations.
You don't see a lot of that stuff

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down here in San Antonio. So
a lot of the people down here don't

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get exposed to some of the people
they see on TV Unlike the Midwest and

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the Northeast para cons where they're you
know, they're there all the time.

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And so and we have we have
a you know, a mix of people.

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You know, it's you know,
you know, we have like Jason

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Halles of course you know everyone knows
knows him. But then we have the

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skin uh a couple of Skinwalker Ranch
guy, one of the guys that's on

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Skinwalk a Ranch and one of the
producers just can walk a Ranch to talk

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about that whole thing. That was
a very popular show. We have an

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alien abductee who has the craziest story
you've ever heard, like crazy, believable

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story. Just I was just drawing
in from the moment I met. We've

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had we've actually had some experiences with
him as well of our own and uh,

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just another, just a wide variety
of and Richard E stepped the author.

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He's going to be there with all
his books, and just just a

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lot a lot of varying type people
and just a lot of fun, a

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lot of a lot of people that
people around here don't get exposed to.

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Yeah, it's going to be exciting. Great people are It's generating excitement.

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I know your your vendor hall is
going to be packed. We are,

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in fact so broad today we're two
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we have about almost sixty booths,
have a huge banquet room, we have

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a smaller side room. Uh.
It's completely ful. We have a full

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snack bar uh there for everybody to
You don't have to leave once you come

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in there. You don't have to
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It's all there. We've sold out
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Aaron Sagers that sold out a long
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We're about halfway there. We got
about ten tickets left to well, we

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like to plug that for Sunday.
We're not just stopping Saturday. We're going

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all the way to Sunday, you
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the Boar Guard Mansion. It's this
huge mansion in the middle of King William

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District, which is downtown, very
old German uh neighborhood, huge houses,

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huge homes, a lot of entertainment, but there's a lot of bars and

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restaurants down the area. Super Haunted. We've done several events, we've done

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the investigations there, we've done some
You can see a video on our actual

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website cleanbros dot Com of the mansion
of what it's all about in the store

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behind it. Social Sisters are gonna
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demonstrating on what they do talk about
what they do well is giving out healings

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and selling products and doing readings and
things like that stuff. Right, yeah,

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yeah, stuff, So that will
you hold your finger up when you

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talk to them. And we're gonna
have some light foods and some drinks and

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some beverages and it's gonna be just
a kind of relaxing metaphysical event. That's

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on Sunday. I think it starts
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but you have the option if you
want to do a reading, if you

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want to do a healing, if
you want to do whatever that they have

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the offer. You can stay afterwards
and do that. But that's the sociale

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Sister Sunday. That's a separate ticket
item. It's only twenty it's only twenty

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dollars or twenty five dollars. We
got ten tickets left, so we want

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to fill that up here pretty quick
and that'll be sold out and then their

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vendors there. There's no venor.
No no no, no, no,

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no no, okay, this is
no sisters. You're welcome to come over

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if they could tolerate you, Scott
a little bite you. I don't know,

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you know, you can really get
on your nerves. I mean thirty

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minutes and I'm already No, I'm
just kidding you. And one other thing

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that that we were, you know, after Christmas, Barr and I are

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really going to start pushing locally,
you know, to get the local people

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out for the free you know,
the free tickets and come in. One

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of the things that this whole thing
is is any any profit that we make

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after all the expenses goes to Special
Olympics, and it goes to the Special

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Olympics. That so Barry is a
special Olympics pe teacher in the local school

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district and he runs a special Olympics
program there. So we're gonna whatever moody

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that we that we end up having, we're going to give their plus.

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There are lone Star Para con T
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Barry. You can explain it better, but there's a there's a group of

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special needs students and that's what they
do is they learn how to how to

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like operate businesses and they learn how
to have jobs. They have T shirts.

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You can either graduate your special education. Either graduate it's aditional graduation,

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or you stay on what it's called
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year to year program. You can
stay until you're twenty two. It's a

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vocational program. They teach you job
job skills, they teach you how to

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do resumes, they teach you how
to live on your own. It's kind

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of like this life skills thing.
I think we all have that already,

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be honest with you. They started
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presses in the whole nine yards and
I thought, hey, I don't want

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to mess with the T shirts.
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I threw I threw the idea to
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So we have a T shirts order, we have the all the decals,

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and they're just gonna get them.
They're gonna press them, and they're selling

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them at the event. They're gonna
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the money they make from the church
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helps some other vocational type stuff.
So we'll have Special Olympic athletes there.

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We'll have Special Olympics Texas. They
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So it's like I said, it's
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making a dime from this event.
Everything we make profit wise we'll go to

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Special Olympics, so you have no
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great. I think it's great,
and I hope people will show out.

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I mean, you know, Surets, that's not far from San Antonio.

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Obviously, it's got to be pretty
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city limits. Yeah, so I
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you're out in the middle of nowhere. There's gonna be go. Even where

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we live. We sure it's universal
city live Oaks. We are in a

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hundred thousands, huge, huge air
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in this area. It's almost like
if you didn't know anybody, you think

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you're still in San Antonio. You
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which connects Austin in Dallas and right
on the highway. So it's we

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have a huge population round here that
could come to this thing. That's great.

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I'm excited. I've never been to
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I can't wait. First time Texas. Huh, never been to Texas now?

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And of course me I'm having the
Okay, so settle a little private.

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You do I need cowboy boots or
not? No, we all own

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cowboy boots, but we don't wear
them. Yeah, you fit in,

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I mean everyone has, for sure, everyone has them, but they not

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everybody wears them. So but I'll
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you'll fit right in wearing cowboy boots. Okay, good, because you

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know I don't get an opportunity to
wear them too much. About the weather

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in January around here is that you
roll the dice. It could be eighty

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degrees, it could be thirty degrees. We don't know. Oh wow,

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I have to watch the webit.
You know, what are you telling me?

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No for dangs in the comment saying
no, that's not a word,

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I understand. No cowboy boots.
No, you asked, you asked if

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we It's like if it's a thing. Not really, I mean in my

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in my circle. No, I
don't hang out with it. It depends

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on who you are. I mean
I have a circle of what you're doing

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or whatever. The very next moment, had some boots. Every day that

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that week or two after the event
is our rodeo. Every February is a

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rodeo. And yeah, then you
can wear everyone's got cowboy boots and cowboy

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hats. But you are required to
have some sort of insignia of Texas on

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you at all times. That's a
law. I'll make a note. Yeah,

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I bought my boots last time I
was in Dallas, and you know,

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of course, then I went back
to New England with them and finally

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gave him away because you can't.
We're right at cha, that's it.

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But they looked so good in Dallas. I don't know. Yeah, so,

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and then Friday night, no,
no, Saturday night. This isn't

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the investigation now that's all sold out
too. It sold out. I remember.

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That's at an old theater, an
old forties theater and Sagine text.

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It was about twenty miles from from
shirts. We've investigated a whole bunch.

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It's got a lot of activity there. We got about thirty five people going

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there, and we kept the numbers
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we don't. We're not packing one
hundred people in there, kind of around

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shoulders. So you're literally gonna have
the chance to investigate and and do it

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in a nice, fine, you
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that's a that the it's called the
Palace Theater. There's a little bit

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of a video I think on our
website about that as well that you can

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actually book that yourself if people are
interested, Uh, you go through us

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and you can actually rent out the
place for your own your own group.

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The Borreguarden mansion, you know,
you can rent that out as well.

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That place looks gorgeous. I can't
wait to see it. It's pretty cool.

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It's pretty cool place. And you
guys did a great video that goes

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into the history of the location,
because there's been several confirmed d's there.

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Yeah, we and what's funny is
very Bary and I were the actually the

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ones that uncovered all of the history
of that place. They didn't even know

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it. It's it's it's owned by
some guy in Ireland who who uses it

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when he comes to town for what
he has business in San Antonin, So

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whenever he comes to town he stays
there, right. Well, all the

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other times it's just managed by a
company who they just kind of you the

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upkeep, make sure that it doesn't
burn down, and you know, the

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mails and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, they would have guests spend

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the night there, and more times
than not they would be leaving in the

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middle of the night telling them,
you know, X, Y and Z

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happened. You know, my hair
was pulled. I saw this thing and

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they and they left, and they
had no idea why. So they asked,

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I'll forget how you met him,
Barry, but his wife, his

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wife was a teacher with my wife. Yeah, that's right, So it's

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her husband. That's how we how
we hooked up. And so whenever people

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they go, oh, you're the
you're you know the Kling Brothers, right,

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you're the the ghost hunting guys.
Can can you have them come down,

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and so we did. We went
down and checked it out, and

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we were there five o'clock in the
afternoon and some major stuff happened. So

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we started looking up and we found
out all the history about the you know,

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the the two confirmed deaths in the
house. One was a child,

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uh child labor death and the other
one was a was a suicide, a

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gunshot to the head and the same
family. No one knew that, but

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it's right there in the records that
we pulled up and and it was just

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bizarre. But yeah, that's that
we have access to that house to be

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able to rent it out to other
people for the entire weekend for really really

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cheap too, for a mansion,
really cheap. Yeah, if you're interested,

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you can go on our website and
like you can, you can email

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us about the mansion if you want
to book it. If you're interested.

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We've had people come from all over
the United States to come down there and

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check it out and stay there.
Plus, like Barry said, not only

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is it a haunted mansion, you
get that experience, but it's in a

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real trendy area where you can walk
around the corner and go to an extra

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restaurant or a bar or you know, things like it's really really cool location.

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We need to plan another trip.
I know i'm here. Thing in

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what months do I have opened?
Yeah? Right right, I'm telling you.

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I'm telling you yeah. And you
know, you get kind of tired

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of being in the Northeast. I
mean, everything is different out here.

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It's it's it's okay. I mean
we have places, but it's nice to

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get out somewhere else and experience things
you've not seen before. You know,

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well, fingers crossed, that there's
no bad weather up where you're at.

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Nobody can give That's why we're bringing
everybody, all our guests, is that

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we're flying them here a day early, just in case we have or whatever.

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So I don't think the problem be
here. We might have a problem

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else for her. But hopefully it
all works out, fingers crossed. I'm

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flying on Thursday, and I'm hoping, you know, because really nothing starts.

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It's a late Friday, So I'm
hoping, you know, if I

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can get out on Thursday, and
if I've started looking at the weather,

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I'll leave Wednesday. You know,
you get the show on your own on

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Wednesday. That reminds me, are
you we're gonna talk about here. Yeah,

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she's driving. She's not going to
be doing a show on Wedday.

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Apollo is going to drive. They
don't let me. That's true. That's

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true. My fellow sister Kathy is
coming and we're going to road trip it.

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It's gonna take us like two days
to get there, so it's gonna

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be fun. I'm sure there'll be
lots of interesting stories from that trip.

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here. I considered it, but
I can't drive alone for two days in

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the car, two or three days. I don't think I would want to

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do that. Yeah, we're down
here in Meo, Texas. It's a

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thousand miles east to west of one
thousand miles north to south. So once

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you hit the Texas border from where
you're coming from the north, you still

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have another six hour drive before you
get down to where we're at. Yeah,

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it's almost like driving from Massachusetts to
Florida, you know, really down

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the whole Eastern seaboard. It's crazy. It's a big thing. And here

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I thought driving across Tennessee was a
lot, but no, Texas is way

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bigger. My son's hot is in
Dallas Fort Worth, and I said,

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you know, why don't you come
out, and you know, because we

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haven't seen each other in forever,
and so I think she's going to come.

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I mean, she's talking about wanting
to be there. She says,

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well, it's like four hours.
You can have four hours. That's not

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bad. Oh, she can get
in for free. Yeah right, right,

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it's a deal. Yeah, we
can pay everything to the to drive

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distance and you say how long does
it take, Well, it's like driving

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from here to Houston or that's like
driving from here to Dallas and people,

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we know exactly how long that takes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this

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is this will be fun though,
this will be fun. And then everything

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wraps up. So the convention's just
one day. The para CON's just that

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one day, the investigation at night. Then you've got the Boorder Guard event

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on Sunday, right, and that's
it, and that's hours on the vendor

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is. Nine to six is the
vendor hall. Eight to nine will be

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the VIP admission. And then we
also have at the very end of our

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speaker, which is another ticket,
is our our friend Dakota Lawrence, who's

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a psychic medium. He's from Streetportana. He's gonna be here. He's gonna

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do a gallery reading, and those
tickets are on sale for his guy.

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He'll be the very last slot on
the speaker slot. But it takes a

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fifty dollars ticket to go to his
gallery reading, so he'll also have a

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booth can meet him. And he's
a he's a he's a funny guy.

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He's been friends with us for a
real long time. So that's great.

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We need to push those tickets as
well. Hopefully next month we'll get them

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going. So yeah, and that
has a separate link. When you go

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to so the website is www.
You just go, yeah, just go.

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You don't have to have the WS. Just has cling bros k l

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I n G E b r O
s dot com. You get on the

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main page, you'll see a bunch
of event posts of all the different events

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we'll be at. Click on the
lone Star paracn event and you'll see all

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the tickets sol Sae Sisters Gallery.
Ready, you'll see it sold out on

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the on the investigation I took sold
ones down. Okay, has all the

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has all the guests pictures in their
bios and who they are. Has the

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hotel link on there. We have
to beef up. We've already sold like

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shoot thirty rooms something like that,
so we're gonna put another block out there.

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But there's a link on the website
to go and get the special disc

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got great, And it's a lot
of thought this too, because when we

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go to convention and they put us
up a hotel, sometimes the hotel is

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in the middle of nowhere. There's
nothing around. From this hotel. You

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can walk across the parking lot and
go to a Chili's. You can walk

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across the parking lot and go to
the Sonic or Shlot Skis. There's Talkers,

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Bill Miller, Barbecue, everything store
right there. I love that because

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you're right many times these places and
they're in the middle of nowhere and there's

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absolutely nothing and there's no door dash. So you right down the street from

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the convention. So it's about two
miles maybe at the most, Yeah,

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to dry but it's not. It's
the same city, same area. And

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I'm sure there's parking at the conventions. I mean, like plenty of parks

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are huge. Yeah, it's a
huge parking area. And then the convention

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centers I don't know, ten fifteen
years old, I mean it's not very

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old. It's a nice place.
We're gonna have full audio visual, all

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the all the gadgets in the speaker
area we're gonna have. It's very comfortable.

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All the vendors will have their own
tables. We bought. We just

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bought sixty like fitted tablecloths for every
table. We got pipe and draping.

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It's a professional looking event, hopefully, you know, when you walk in,

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if nobody comes, at least it's
gonna look good. We'll take pictures.

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Sure, it'll be great though,
I'm sure it'll be great. You

407
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,279
know, in Texas where you are, do they you know, you talk

408
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,720
about your friend doing a gallery reading. Is that a big thing? I

409
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,759
mean, do people go to those
things regularly or is that sort of less

410
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:36,160
common right here or not? Really? We have talk about fan infest back

411
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,599
in the day when we did that, we actually had Chip Coffee was here.

412
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,759
He did a gallery reading. It
went over really well. But usually

413
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,039
galleries it's always like if someone comes
here for an event, you don't really

414
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:49,559
see a lot of that around here. They do have metaphysical shops in town,

415
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359
and it is a thing, but
you just don't you know, don't

416
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,400
see those types of events or down
here at all. It's really interesting because

417
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,920
like where I am now, I've
got several of them book you know,

418
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,359
gallery events that I've got booked,
and and you know, you'll sell fifty

419
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:10,960
sixty tickets to something like that,
But then you go to Pennsylvania and you

420
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,160
know, so my tickets run between
forty and sixty, depending upon like if

421
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,480
you're a VIP or if you're just
a you know, general admission kind of

422
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,119
thing. But if you go to
Pennsylvania, I'm doing Haunted Hillview Manor in

423
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,799
June, and they get like twenty
five dollars a ticket because they can't sell

424
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:29,480
them because it you know, people
don't people don't pay money for those.

425
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,440
It's like that area. It's like
that with us. We'll go do an

426
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,079
event and price it what we think
is right, and it just sells out.

427
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,319
We'll go do another event. It
might even be cheaper and doesn't do

428
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,160
nothing. I mean, it's just
it's the flavor of the month and just

429
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,559
the people. You just cannot read
people's minds about what they want to do

430
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,759
or what they want. And like
like you said, the Galveston event,

431
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,119
we had we had one out there
and we I won't say cancer. We're

432
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,880
gonna put the postponent. But we
sold like one ticket and it's a very

433
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:03,440
verge and we sold forty fifty tickets
last year glaston but it was just you

434
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,559
got it's all zion around Christmas and
things like that. People you know,

435
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:15,599
yeah, yeah, yeah, And
oh sorry, Christina, No, I

436
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,160
just said, you guys really know
how to put on an event. I

437
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:29,799
was at the Shenandoah event last June
and was just blown away. I mean,

438
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:33,880
you lay everything out and there's tons
of stuff to do. Food is

439
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,079
always fabulous, you know, the
guests are fabulous, and I love,

440
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:44,039
absolutely adore that you're not packing in
as many bodies as you can shove into

441
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,480
a location. It's just the right
number where you keep it small enough where

442
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,960
everybody can interact. You can interact
with your celebrities, which is always I

443
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640
mean, that's what a lot of
people come out for, is to spend

444
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,400
some time in rebelbows with these people
and get to know them little bit.

445
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,440
And you guys actually provide an opportunity
to do all of that in a smaller

446
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:08,519
environment. And I love that.
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you

447
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,440
say that you thought that Shenandoah last
year was small because Barry and I actually

448
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,480
thought that was big. We're cutting
that in half this year. So,

449
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,440
oh my gosh, half the amount
of people that you were last last year,

450
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,119
and it's and we're gonna be doing
We're actually and we're actually doing more.

451
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:29,599
We're doing more this year with less
people. I can't wait. I

452
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000
loved that. I talked to everybody
with ears about that event. I had

453
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:36,240
so much fun. It was a
cool event. That was our first.

454
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:40,559
We've been there before, but just
as just tourists, and that's when we

455
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,680
got the idea. We met the
Odor and they were all over a let's

456
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,200
do this and it it was probably
our best event we've ever done. That's

457
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
why we like we're doing it again. So this June sixth, seventh,

458
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,640
and eighth, we're going back at
Shenandoah in Gorgeville doing it again. We

459
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,039
have this time, Tim Shaw is
going to be there again. We have

460
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,400
Richard e step coming this time with
it. We're only doing one tour bus,

461
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,960
not to two tour buses. We're
going to three different battlefields versus two.

462
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:15,359
We have an investigation at the Exchange
Hotel. Saturday Night's party ticket and

463
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,559
then we haven't even announced this yet, but the Thursday night prior, we're

464
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:23,839
actually going to investigate Trevillian Station Battlefield, which is where one of the largest

465
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,240
cavalry battles have George Custer was actually, so we actually have access to George

466
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,920
Custer, George Custer's headquarters house to
investigate as plus rols the grounds. So

467
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,039
that's gonna be an extra ticket.
I think it's like a sixty five dollars.

468
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,279
We don't really project by sixty five
dollars. We're only taking twenty people

469
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,880
on that one with us on this
one too. Gypsy Jewel, who's a

470
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,400
good friend of our. Nobody really
knows she is. She's a she'll be

471
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,599
at our January event. She is
a metal detecting expert. She's been on

472
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,359
the Oak Island Show, She's been
on the different different other shows as an

473
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,480
expert. She lives here in Texas. We've we've done a couple of events

474
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,240
with her. She's actually coming out
there to join us and just kind of

475
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,680
talk about what she does, finding
relics and things like that. She's also

476
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,759
into the paranormal, so she's gonna
be there with us this time, join

477
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,799
us. So it's it's gonna be
fun. It's gonna be I hate to

478
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,359
do it to people that I feel
bad, but we jam pack a lot

479
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,160
of stuff and a very small amount
of time. So it's go, go,

480
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,359
go, go go. But you
know, while we're there, we

481
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,519
want to take advantage of all these
things, like we're going to Wilderness Battlefield,

482
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:37,720
Sponsylvania Battlefield, Chancersville Battlefield. This
time. Food won't be as foo

483
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,839
fu, it won't be as Brad
and I are actually gonna get the aprons

484
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,319
on and we're grilling dogs and burgers
for everybody. So there's a hot dogs.

485
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,799
Yes, there's a hot dog.
We're gonna do it upright and cook

486
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,240
for everybody and make it more of
a barbecue, backyard barbecue type of fuel.

487
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,119
Oh, we still have access that
night. You can still investigate the

488
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,160
seventeen hundred mansion that was there on
the property. Oh that place was great.

489
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,039
Yep. So that's all available to
us as well. So there's a

490
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:09,759
lot of them, a lot more
investigations this time around, you know,

491
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:14,960
in a few more battlefields. So
we were but less people. So now

492
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,240
is that still on sale? I
mean there sale you can go to It's

493
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,680
called Shadows of Shenando. There's a
poster on our website, clean grows dot

494
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,880
com. Yeah, we only have
about twenty left. We saw we are

495
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,799
sold twenty. Really we're we're shooting
for forty, but we might stop at

496
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,640
thirty. I don't know. We
kind of have a breakoff point that maybe

497
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,240
break even, but forty is the
max. Last year we had eighty five.

498
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,119
Oh wow, eighty five people there
like that? It really well,

499
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,240
I guess because you guys had to
split up into two buses, two buses

500
00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:51,480
and it was Yeah, it wasn't
bad, but I just it's easier to

501
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,319
manage with this smaller group and used, like you said, you just get

502
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,119
more out of it. I love
talking. If I could be another job,

503
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,200
I'd be a tour guy. That's
what I want to do, a

504
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,559
Civil War tour guide. And and
I I that's that's my that's my moment

505
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:07,519
is doing that, the tours and
stuff that we did, because of course

506
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,840
we have my grandfather fought in those
battles, and that's kind of when we

507
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,639
tie that personal touch into those,
we're actually going to where they fought.

508
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,599
So is tim Shaw his was it
his grandfather? Yeah? You remember?

509
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Yeah? Yeah, So they faced
each other on the battlefield line the line.

510
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Yeah, Wilderness Battlefield if you've ever
been there, there's an area there

511
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,840
where a lot of that happened.
And we found out through the ranger and

512
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,599
through just research. His grandfather was
on one side, my grandfather was on

513
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,280
the other side, and they were
literally in the front line of those sides

514
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:50,320
and we're literally shooting at each other. In fact, his father in law,

515
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,320
his grandfather was wounded. He took
a he took a musketball right in

516
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,760
the belt buckle. He actually has
the belt buckle that could have my grandfather

517
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,679
could shot that. We don't know, you know, it is possible,

518
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,320
right, So we found that out
while we're there. You know, it's

519
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,760
like, what's wild. It was
really emotional to watch as you guys like

520
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:16,360
talked about where and went to the
spots on the field, and it added

521
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,239
an extra element. Yeah, we're
just totally into the family thing. And

522
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,960
just to stand where our grandfather stood
one hundred and sixty years ago is pretty

523
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,480
I mean right where he stood,
not just oh he's in this area,

524
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,679
he stood right right here. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. I also

525
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,280
found on that trip my wife's grandfather
fought. She was also Confederate He fought

526
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,800
in the same field on the opposite
side of my grandpa, my grandfather.

527
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,760
So here we are, my wife, grandfather's there, my grandfather's there.

528
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,760
There, we're having a good time
and we're going to reenact that battle.

529
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,760
We're gonna shoot each other next,
you know, we go back to there

530
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,400
you go. It seems like you
though we think about it, the implications

531
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,000
is one bullet to the head,
we're not here, we're not there,

532
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,599
and something like that, and it's
like it just the butterfly effect of all

533
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:09,360
of that is surreal. It really
is. I mean when you look at

534
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:14,920
the big picture and then meeting and
coming together, so not only are you

535
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,480
here, but meeting and going back
basically through time to walk on the field

536
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,519
where everything took place. It is
crazy. And you know, I've never

537
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:30,760
been where you're going. In June, I need to. The only reason

538
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,880
I haven't booked my ticket yet is
because I get back from Pennsylvania. I

539
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,440
have the event on the first,
and I supposedly have another event on the

540
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:44,280
seventh in Maine, but it's not
gone out, it's not gone up for

541
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,320
sale yet, and it could it
could be moved at this point, you

542
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,199
know, what I mean, it
could be moved at this point, so

543
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,119
you need to cancel it. I
can say for a fact you'd have a

544
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,960
lot of fun on this trip.
I'm sure I would. I'm sure I

545
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,760
will. You know, I I
do need to I need to reach out

546
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,559
to Chris and the guy that the
other medium and I'm doing the event with.

547
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,760
Then just see if we can't move
it another week or two. Yeah,

548
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,000
there's no excuse because I think the
week a week or so after that,

549
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,840
Brad, it hasn't really been announced. We're going to Australia. Yeah,

550
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,480
we had the land down Under for
an event, so spilled the tell

551
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:29,840
us. The guy, the guy
that, the guy doing it. We

552
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,440
went there about eight years ago.
We did an event there and we made

553
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,280
good friends with this guy. He
he'll be there. He'll be at the

554
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,719
event in January. Him and his
wife are things built to bone. His

555
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,760
wife's wife is also psychic medium.
She does a lot of police work and

556
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,639
stuff in Australia. But he's gonna
We're working out the We already got the

557
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:53,000
dates, were got the locations.
Nothing, nothing's announced, nothing's gonnnounce,

558
00:37:53,119 --> 00:38:00,880
but we are I would say ninety
five percent going to Australia in late June,

559
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:06,639
you got Scott. No, I
don't well, and you know,

560
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,800
I'm going to be in Naples in
February and then we're off to New Orleans

561
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,519
right afterwards. So I do have
a ten year old at home. I

562
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,679
have to tend to once in a
while, you know, a little food

563
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:22,800
and water. Yeah, you know, that's yeah, it's all good.

564
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,360
It's all good. My young and
turned out fine. You know. They

565
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,760
eventually just grow and leave to box
and cheese it to the cas of soda,

566
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,880
you know, big boy magazine,
and you're all set. Not yet,

567
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:44,119
not a couple of years, I
guess. I don't know. Oh

568
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,000
my god, I can't take you
anywhere. No, not usually not usually

569
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,000
have a good time, though,
we have a good time. Yeah,

570
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,559
because I actually said to Christina,
I said, why don't you come with

571
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,599
me to Pennsylvania and then we'll just
keep driving. We'll go to Shenandoah right

572
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:04,639
afterwards. I'm getting a visit from
Dana and Rowing, which I didn't realize

573
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,280
at the time. Yeah, that's
all right. I need to get home

574
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,599
in between. Anyway, you know, it's I think Rowan's looking forward to

575
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,239
my fried Chicken anyhow, so yeah, what's cool about that event up there.

576
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,639
It's not just our event, like
we hung over. We took a

577
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,800
whole family last last summer and we
went to Washington, d C. We

578
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,800
you know, all the different was
it Madison's House. We go to Monticello

579
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:30,960
and and we just did a lot
of like touristy stuff around that we never

580
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,280
really can see while we're there because
it's I mean, you're in the hub.

581
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,480
You talk about history. I mean
you're in the middle of every revolutionary

582
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:43,480
war. Yeah, so there's a
lot of things to do there, really

583
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,360
is. I know, we did
that. We took a day and hit

584
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,719
a couple of the historic sites around
there. And I'm not gonna lie.

585
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,760
I'm terrible with history and I won't
even pretend to know where I went so

586
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,599
because I just humiliate myself if I
tried to say. But it was really

587
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:05,679
really awesome just to see the history
and how well it's preserved. That's really

588
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:13,199
cool. Yeah, I went to
Monticello in Washington's House and yeah, you

589
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,800
know, I've done that, but
I was I was probably like ten or

590
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440
twelve, so I don't, you
know, none of that really had the

591
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,360
same It hasn't changed very much since
it's been there since the seventh No,

592
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,519
Washington's still dead. You know that
hasn't changed at all. But no,

593
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,159
But I mean as an adult,
I think you can appreciate it more and

594
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:34,320
the significance of it, and certainly
not the haunts Dad's joke. He said,

595
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,480
you know why Washington was buried on
a hill? Why because he's dead,

596
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:50,159
Because he's I love dad jokes.
I could listen all day. Yeah,

597
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,039
my son, not so much.
You know something I've always wondered,

598
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,960
how did you guys get started in
all of this? Because we all have

599
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:06,239
an origin story that's a glad story. Well, how much time? How

600
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:12,039
much time I got? Let's see
how quick this story? A million times?

601
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,320
Barry knows it, but I can
hear him telling the same story almost

602
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:22,559
verbatim to other people. But it
starts back officially when I was like seventeen

603
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:27,719
years old, and I was at
Gettysburg of all places, And this is

604
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,519
why we're so fast with Gettysburg.
But it was it was in the summer.

605
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,079
I was summer between my junior and
senior year in high school. My

606
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,920
I was the last of four kids. I'm the youngest. Barry was in

607
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,599
the navy, in Miami at the
time, down in Homestead. So my

608
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,960
parents go, hey, let's do
a let's do around the country road trip.

609
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,159
We'll wander down to Homestead. Eventually
we'll visit Barry, we'll come back

610
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:53,960
home, you'll start your senior year
whatever. Say cool. I'm a big

611
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,719
history buff. So we stop at
all the historical places along the way,

612
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:04,199
Gettysburg and Phililadelphia and Williamsburg and like
all that kind of stuff. Well,

613
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,960
the Gettysburg trip, we were on
our way out of town. It was

614
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,599
in the middle of the day,
middle in July, clear blue sky is

615
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,719
probably noone or one o'clock, so
it's not like it was nighttime or anything.

616
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,599
I see this group of Union soldiers
right cruising across the field. So

617
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,800
I tell my dad say, hey, stop the truck, me jump out.

618
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,719
I'm gonna go. I had the
big VHS video camera, so I'm

619
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,239
gonna go videotape them because I was
kind of doing like a video log of

620
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,480
the whole trip. And so I
got out there and I start filming,

621
00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:36,599
and then as soon as I passed
them by, they're gone on the video,

622
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,599
like through the through the video screen, and you go like this,

623
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,119
they're gone, and I go back
and I'm looking and they're they're nowhere to

624
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:46,880
be found. There's no way they
could have got on my side. I

625
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,519
look back on the videotape on the
little playback and they're sure enough they're there.

626
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,880
So at that moment, I was
like, Okay, there's no way,

627
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:59,400
there's no way that could have happened. It's my personal proof of the

628
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:04,119
paranormal. We get down to Miami, I showed Barry. Barry's kind of

629
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:07,760
like, oh, that's cool.
And so for the next I don't know,

630
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,800
ten or fifteen years, I started
researching a lot of the stuff.

631
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,559
Then when I get into college after
I'm sorry, After I graduated from college,

632
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,320
I get a job where I travel
a little bit. So every city

633
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,440
I go to, I went on
a little like local ghost tour that had

634
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,599
or a historical tour. I was
in San Francisco, so I went out

635
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,519
to Alcatraz on an evening tour,
and I stopped at a radio shack along

636
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:35,519
the way and I got a little
digital loudy recorder. Because the TV shows

637
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:38,039
were just starting to come out at
that time, around two thousand and five,

638
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,800
two thousand and six, and maybe
a little bit earlier, but anyway,

639
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,119
as luck would have it, I
was able to be in the solitary

640
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:51,280
confinement area by myself because there was
a problem with the boat and so everyone's

641
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,400
down in the dock with the rangers. Let me stay up and just like

642
00:43:53,920 --> 00:44:00,440
kind of cruise around got I did
recordings, and on three recordings in the

643
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,119
same session, I got three different
things. I got these voices that were

644
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:07,320
coming across and I'm thinking to myself, this is this is too easy,

645
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:12,400
this is too easy. I don't
know what this is the magical little digital

646
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,519
record I don't know what was happening. I showed Barry. He was hooked,

647
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,119
and I said, hey, you
know, let's go out and let's

648
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:21,719
investigate some places around here and do
that kind of stuff. He had a

649
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,360
little the digital video camera. I
had the audio recorder. That was it.

650
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,639
We were out and investigated. We
brought some of our friends together.

651
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,159
We formed the Everyday Paranormal Team.
And then it was I mean months later

652
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,119
we were doing museums and television stations
and the word got out of what we

653
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:45,000
were doing around here, and then
you know, at the TV caught wind

654
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:50,840
and that whole story is history.
But we literally formed in two thousand and

655
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,639
seven October two thousand and seven,
and we were on TV. We had

656
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,559
the deals, well, we were
approached for April two thousand and nine when

657
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:04,679
we signed April one thousand and nine, but July two thousand and eight,

658
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,480
so from October two thousand and seven
we were contacted for the television stuff by

659
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,960
the producers in July two thousand and
eight. So that's it was a whirlwind

660
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,719
of Wow, that is a whirlwind. Yeah. But there wasn't as much

661
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,079
out there back then, not like
there is now. You know. Now

662
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:22,840
we were one, We were the
original four of the major network. So

663
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:28,840
there was Ghost Centers on Sci Fi, there was Ghost Adventures on Travel Channel,

664
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,159
there is Aaron Almost Stayed on A
and E. And there was Us

665
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:35,800
on Discovery. It was that was
those were the four shows. And I

666
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:45,719
watched all fours. Yeah, ogg, yeah, yeah, I mean back

667
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,199
then, I remember, you know, talking with someone who did this,

668
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,880
you know back probably right another period
of time. And and and I don't

669
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,039
think there were really places to go
that you could rent out to go and

670
00:45:57,079 --> 00:46:00,599
investigate. I think people used to
sneak into buildings, you know, if

671
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,320
they were lucky enough to find something. A lot of cold phone calls a

672
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,239
lot of people, Hey I know
this, know this other guy, you

673
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,880
know that kind of thing. Right. See, for me, my first

674
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,000
love was residential work is what I
loved. I didn't get into, you

675
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:19,920
know, doing like the prisons and
the big asylums and stuff like that until

676
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,000
many many years later. So but
really from home, Yeah, we did

677
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:30,719
a lot of We still doom time
to time. We just did a house

678
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:35,440
a year ago here in Church,
so they still pop up for once in

679
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:43,320
a while, do you you it's
it's not we're not out like seeking it

680
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
or looking for it. But like
you know, we had a realtor friend

681
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,000
that was having problems to the house
he was renovating, and he got a

682
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,800
hold of me and we went out
there, just me and Brad and my

683
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,719
wife and uh Lisa, our group, and we just put our cameras up.

684
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,880
We left for like two hours and
went to dinner, came back and

685
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:04,000
did some other work. Really nothing
was going on, but we caught a

686
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,920
i mean a pretty cool shadow figure
on the camera when we were gone.

687
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,360
Nobody was in the house. So
uh, that's how we roll. We

688
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,880
just we throw out the cameras and
we go eat Mesican food and come back

689
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:20,039
and find there you go, there
you go. And we were just down

690
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:24,119
at an abandoned the hospital a couple
of weeks ago. Someone hired us for

691
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,960
their birthday party. They want to
go down there and finally have a ghost

692
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,840
experience. And we met them down
there and we went through this hospital.

693
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,360
You know we're doing because I actually
like left so hard the sprite came out

694
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,440
my nose. I was watching your
live. I think you guys referred to

695
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:51,119
yourselves as the birthday Ponies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were really

696
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,960
nice people, and they you know, it's it's they they just you know,

697
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,840
they see the TV shows and they
they just don't know what to do.

698
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,480
In fact, they think this,
you know, profusely by saying,

699
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,400
you know, man, we would
not have known to do half the stuff.

700
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,039
They would have gone into that abandoned
hospital and just sat there and go,

701
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,519
I don't know what to do.
You know, it's like an official

702
00:48:12,519 --> 00:48:15,719
playbook of what to do. But
you know, there's a there's a method

703
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,440
to the madness sometimes mm hmm.
It was a typical investigation. It wasn't

704
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,239
like a bunch of stuff. We
had a few few occurrences, a few

705
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,679
weird things happened and things like that. Yeah, but it was just I

706
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,400
told this is this is a typical
investigation. This is you know, this

707
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,360
is how it goes. It's pretty
boring and then it you know, a

708
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,840
couple of a couple of minutes of
excitement and then you know that's it.

709
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,440
Yeah, sometimes it's a spook factor, you know what I mean, Just

710
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,199
what are you going to see?
You know, it's it's just cookie players,

711
00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:47,760
just an old Catholic uh run hospital. The nuns lived there and the

712
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,079
priests lived there, and just it's
pretty spooky. It looked pretty cool though

713
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,920
from the pictures that you guys shared
and everything. Yeah, it was a

714
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,719
good time. It's great. So
we have about five minutes left, believe

715
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,800
it or not. Time wow here
when you're having a good time. So

716
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,960
we want to make sure people know
how they can get your events clean.

717
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:14,880
Bros kl I n g E bros
dot com. And is everything there?

718
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,360
So Shenandoah is there, and the
Lone Star Para con is there, and

719
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,760
everything's there coming And we even have
a merchandise that we have hats and beanies

720
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:28,000
and decals we sell. There's also
uh like we'll be at the Battle of

721
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:32,639
the gayswork Battlefield Bash. We'll be
at the paras Icon up at a in

722
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:36,880
May. That's that's on our website. You can go there and buy tickets

723
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,719
for that. Of course our Shenando
events there and of course our lone Star

724
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,519
Para Con. So yeah, it's
a one stop shop. Everything that we

725
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,880
do we put on our website.
We do it all as well on Facebook.

726
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,880
We get more traffic on our website
than anything, so we we like

727
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,119
to keep it updated. Brad.
Brad handles all that stuff. But yeah,

728
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,320
anything and everything. You would know
what we're doing. We just go

729
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,800
to the Clingbros dot com. When
is getty Burg? You know, Gettysburg

730
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,639
Bash is the last weekend of July
I believe. Okay, I was gonna

731
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,559
say, I thought it was over
the summer. Yeah, it's July twenty

732
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,239
seventh or something like that. But
we might even go a little earlier,

733
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,079
maybe do some Roan personal stuff while
we're there, and then then we'll do

734
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,400
the event. So we've never done
that event before, but looking forward to

735
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,400
That's another charity event, is it? Yeah? I never had the sponsors.

736
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:29,280
I think Wooded Warriors veteran veteran type
stuff. Good Steve, Steve Berry

737
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,119
and Pamela Berry. They they're the
ones that run it and there. We've

738
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,440
been to a Cuple. We've been
to the Lookout House that US owned.

739
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,800
We did an event there. We've
been to the Hoover House, which is

740
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,199
about forty minutes from Gettysburg. We
did an event there. So they're very

741
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,199
steeped in the paranormal. Didn't you
just do an event? Yeah, we

742
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,079
were there, Dan it was there. We did that back, you know,

743
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,679
and tim Shaw was there and we
did ah we did the whole three

744
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:00,599
day battle uh event, you know, like tour on a bus. And

745
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,559
then we actually did an experiment.
We did an audio experiment on pickets charge

746
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,239
and then we came back that night
and went over audio. We actually caught

747
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:13,760
musket fire that tim Shaw actually was
shouting commands and on command we got really

748
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:20,239
heavy musket fire. So it was
it was successful event and a successful experiment

749
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,039
and everyone had a great time.
Now was another one. We only took

750
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:23,440
twenty people. We saw twenty.
That's it. We stopped it at twenty

751
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:27,840
people. I find that fascinating though. I've heard that you know the phantom

752
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,000
fire. Oh yeah, we got
we have cannon fire. We have we've

753
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,239
caught the rebel Yelle on audio.
We caught drum beats on audio. We

754
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:37,440
got a lot of stuff at Gettysburg. That's kind of what That's kind of

755
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:44,360
what started the whole finding our relatives
was from panel investigating in Gettysburg. We

756
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,599
caught something at Devil's Den. Well, grandfather from Virginia, he was,

757
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:51,760
he fought in Gettysburg as well,
and that's where we first found out that

758
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,800
we even had a grandfather that fought. Yeah, we caught some some stuff

759
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,880
at Devil's Den, which is one
of our favorite places. We kind of

760
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,199
foind out that's where he fought.
He was at Devil's Den, That's where

761
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,599
he was. So, you know, it kind of just surprises me.

762
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:05,639
And I was saying it before that
it's your grandparents. I mean, I

763
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,679
think of my my grandparents. You
know, now I'm almost sixty. My

764
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:14,280
grandparents were. It's my it's my
three times great great great grandfather. Oh

765
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,280
now that makes complete sense to me. Okay, all right, that morning

766
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,880
and in nineteen twelve, so gotcha. I'm like, I was like,

767
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:30,000
man, either that or great great
third great grandfather great all my mom's son.

768
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,480
That makes complete sense. Okay,
got it? Because I'm thinking york

769
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,280
Yorg. Yeah, it's got married
fifteen. My grand my grandfather is one

770
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,480
hundred and eighty years old. Now, yeah, you can see him January

771
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:52,599
the Lone Star Paracon. Oh yeah, Data just said very and brader A

772
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,400
fifties, one hundred and fifties.
Yeah. I mean, math is not

773
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,960
my strong subject, but I got
to, you know, madding it up

774
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,039
and it's well, I don't know
if it's O talk for what, but

775
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:14,199
you look fabulous. Yeah, yeah, that's telling you. Always a fun

776
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,239
time with you guys. Hey,
if you're coming to on Star parent Scott's

777
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,599
gonna be there. He has a
booth, and the Social Sisters they all

778
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:22,800
have their booths and they'll be doing
things and the Social Sister Sunday. We

779
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,559
want to sell out those tickets as
well because all goes to a great cause.

780
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,039
So get your tickets. If you
don't want to buy a ticket,

781
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:34,280
just come on down and enjoy the
day. Hello, absolutely, and then

782
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,599
check out some of the other events
too. I got a call about that

783
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
day in June. See if I
can do, you're gonna, we're gonna,

784
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,760
we're gonna guilt you into it,
so there's no guilt necessary. I

785
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,880
definitely want to go. I tell
you Deborah Wilson, our friend Devor Wilson

786
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,039
is going to be there at the
event January excellent. She will make you

787
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,039
buy a ticket. She's that good. She is redless. All right,

788
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:59,920
guys, I got a herd wrapper. Thank you for being here. Everyone.

789
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,159
We have a great night. We
will see you next week. We

790
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,519
recorded with Jeff Balanja. Thank you
to the Kling Brothers and thank you Christina.

791
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,360
Have a good night, everybody.
Take care. You've been listening to

792
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:21,679
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793
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,400
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794
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795
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,400
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