The Paranormal Project Radio Show. There are your hosts, Scott Allen and Christina
Bowen. Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show.
My name is Scott Allen. I'm here with my lovely co host Christina Bowen.
How are you, my friend? I am wonderful. Well, how
are you? I'm good, I'm good. You all ready for Christmas?
No? Never? Yeah, you know, right up to the last minute,
right up to the last minute, we've been This is the second show
we've done today. We recorded our show for next week. We're going to
have Jeff Blander with us, but we recorded that show today, so we're
not going to be live next week, but we're going to have a great
show for you in between Christmas and New Year, so you don't want to
miss that. But we have two great guests tonight, the Kling brothers,
Barry and Brad from Texas and they run the Lone Star para con and of
course we know they had the show years ago, Ghost Lab, which they're
known for, and uh, we're going to bring them out here in a
minute. So because we're going to be there, you're going to be there,
and the girls are going to be there and looking forward to all the
activities that are going to be going on down and down in that neck of
the woods. So Barr and Brad, come on out there, you go,
Hi, guys, how are you hey? Here? We are good,
good to see you again. Thanks, thanks for coming back and being
on with us, Thanks for having us. Is this the first the first
para coon that you put on the lone Star is the first time you put
it on? Or technically no, we did another one, what five six
years ago, twenty eleven. We call that one fanom Fest. It was
downtown San Antonio, the whole thing at the Minger Hotel. But this one
where this is right in our hometown, right where we grew up. Oh
this is now, this isn't what's the name of the time, is it?
Hirsh shirts? Shirts like the shirts shirts Yeah, yeah, Germany,
the H and the Z. Yeah. But it looks like it's going to
be a good time. I mean really, you got a lot of good
guests lined up, and you get the VIP stuff going on, and what
can people expect if they if they're showing up, well, if hopefully you
got on the VIP list. I think the VIP sold out within like a
week or two, I took the last ticket. I think you did.
That's not now, I do remember you did take the last tickets. So
you're the blame for everybody else that came said sorry guys. You guys really
know how to do VIPs. I mean, y'all, y'all don't do this
just a little bit. No. I think that comes from us. We've
been to vi P, you know, being other other events and VIP guests
or whatever, the lecturers or speakers, and I've always uh, when we
do ours, I just want to get your bang for your buck, you
know, just you know, San Antonio, the Texas hospitality on the river
Walk, and we really want to showcase. We have a lot a lot
of people coming from the North, people that have never been to Texas and
even the West Coast, even overseas. We have people coming from Australia,
people come from London that you know that we want to show off Texas.
So the vi P We're going to do it up right, you know,
San Antonio. Start, We're gonna take you downtown on actual fifty. We
have two fifty passenger tour buses. We're gonna load up in shirts. We're
gonna take you down first class. We're gonna go to Costa Rio Mexican restaurant,
which is a very famous actually the first restaurant on the Riverwalk back when
it was built back in the forty ninety. It's been in existence and this
place is really cool. We're talking. We're gonna Mariachi's there when you come
off the bus and welcome to San Antonio. We're gonna full spread pahata inch
a load of buffet with bar drinks and and having a really it all overlooks
the Riverwalk. I think hopefully the lights will still be up from Christmas pretty
down there. After we have a huge meal, we're gonna stroll on out
to the Riverwalk. Right there the restaurant, we're gonna have three river barges
pull up and they're gonna pick us up and take us on a city tour
on the river. You'll get to see all the historical places and the restaurants
and bars, and see the lights and get the story from the guide of
what San Antennia is all about. We'll come back and it doesn't stop.
We keep going. We're gonna we're gonna walk from there about two blocks to
the Alamo, and we're going to do a little walking ghost tour and Animal
Plaza is a few spots will go there, and we're gonnat back on the
bus. There's a couple of spots we're gonna stop on on the bus that
are haunted and have world great stories. Brad and I'll be running that and
then we'll return the shirts. I don't know about eleven o'clock at night,
and then the next day it all, it all kicks off on Saturday.
Yeah, big party. Yeah, that's great. That's the vi P.
Hopefully, like I said, you got a ticket, Hopefully you'll be there.
We try to cram as many people as we could into it, but
we're only limited to so many seats at the restaurant, right, so we
had to taper it off. That's that's our problem too, is a lot
of time when we when we put these VIPs out, you know, people
want to do the full thing because we're not we to our downfall we made.
We don't really charge a lot for these things. It's like we we
look at the price and go, well, you know, what's it gonna
you know, cover the cost and break even and and all that kind of
stuff, and people just eat them up. And then you know a lot
of people get upset. It's like, well, I wanted to do the
vi P too. Yeah, you got to jump on it fast. So
we do have to cut it off. But Barry, we keep adding things
on. We're like, hey, let's let's do a river tour. Hey,
let's do a downtown tour. Hey, let's uh, you know,
do all this kind of stuff and and and we just we want people to
have a good time. Like Barry said, get the most bang for your
buck. But it's it's definitely gonna be done up right where we We've been
the very lot of these events where they have a vi P and it's basically
uh, you know, maybe like a pizza dinner and or something like that.
It's like, no, you are you are treated like a vi P
on our our events. I've been to one that literally they warmed up hot
dogs and that was the vi P meal. That's our next year's event,
hot Dogs on the Riverwalks. That's the l i P event, the least
important you can start selling tickets to that, you know, like the I
event. Oh gosh, so Dana says high I said, I said,
we harassed back. So watch out. Yeah, there you go, there
you go. What is the vibe in San Antonio? Is it more country
Western or more Southwest? What? What is I've never been to that part
of Texas. Huge Hispanic culture here and we're two hours from Mexico. We're
considered south central Texas. Huge center, is a huge medical place. It's
a huge military town. We have like five military bases here in town.
Lots of recreation of the lakes, and we have Seaworldes Texas. We have
a lot of pretty much. I think we'll be like top in the top
ten. I think of the number cities in the country in Texas. Yeah,
and we're up there. But I mean, you want to talk about
a vibe, you want to talk that kind of vibe Hispanic and we have
our honky tonks and country Western places and stuff like that. So it's probably
a mix of those two. Yeah, I was to put my finger on
it. Call it. We call it text max. Even the food you'll
you'll get fairly authentic, but we call it text max, right right right?
It has a twist. YEA. So Friday, is that VIP tour
that you're talking about and that when does that start? Is that is that
just that's just in the evening, right, yeah, just an evening.
We'll we'll leave in a bus about five pm, get down to the riverwalk.
We'll be eating from five forty five to seven forty five, Get on
a river about about eight that's about an hour cruise, and then about nine
nine fifteen will start the walking tour, hopefully wrap up, be back eleven
eleven twenty something back like that. Back at shirts. We're actually picking up
and dropping off at the convention Center where the Saturday event will be taking place,
so people will be familiar with where to go the next day that are
VIPs and also the VIPs the next morning, they're actually going to get exclusive
access to the vendor area from eight to nine there to get in an hour
early before the public. The public starts to get in at nine, so
from eight to nine they'll have access to that as well. On the lectures,
part of that to v IB ticket was the lecture and the speaker a
portion of it. They're gonna get front row seating for that preferred seating.
So that's kind of the run of the place being a VIP. And then
what's cool about Saturday events free it's free of the public people come out and
just come check out the vendors, check out the celebrities check out. We
have authors and psychics and people selling you know, jewelry and candles and just
smrgsborg of different things going on on the vendor hall and as well. You
can purchase vendor speaker only tickets for forty dollars if you like to go listen
to the speaker. So it's it's a low ticket item. It's nothing that's
going to break the bank. Allowing you to come in for free because we
like you to have money in your pocket to spend on the vendors. A
lot of these events you go to, you're spending sixty eighty bucks at the
door just to get in. You're like, now, what, I got
no money spend on anything. So well, not only that, but if
you have a family of five or six, you know, you don't want
to be dropping three four hundred dollars for you know, tickets for everyone,
and then you show up and then you're really out of luck. So you
family, for nity, bring your bring your you know, your kids,
your cousins, you'r we want everyone in there for one If I don't know
if you've noticed this, but a lot of paranormal stuff is typically in like
the Northeast and the Midwest, Like that's where a lot of the paranormal conventions
and the paranormal like the locations. You don't see a lot of that stuff
down here in San Antonio. So a lot of the people down here don't
get exposed to some of the people they see on TV Unlike the Midwest and
the Northeast para cons where they're you know, they're there all the time.
And so and we have we have a you know, a mix of people.
You know, it's you know, you know, we have like Jason
Halles of course you know everyone knows knows him. But then we have the
skin uh a couple of Skinwalker Ranch guy, one of the guys that's on
Skinwalk a Ranch and one of the producers just can walk a Ranch to talk
about that whole thing. That was a very popular show. We have an
alien abductee who has the craziest story you've ever heard, like crazy, believable
story. Just I was just drawing in from the moment I met. We've
had we've actually had some experiences with him as well of our own and uh,
just another, just a wide variety of and Richard E stepped the author.
He's going to be there with all his books, and just just a
lot a lot of varying type people and just a lot of fun, a
lot of a lot of people that people around here don't get exposed to.
Yeah, it's going to be exciting. Great people are It's generating excitement.
I know your your vendor hall is going to be packed. We are,
in fact so broad today we're two booths away from being sold out. So
we have about almost sixty booths, have a huge banquet room, we have
a smaller side room. Uh. It's completely ful. We have a full
snack bar uh there for everybody to You don't have to leave once you come
in there. You don't have to leave foods there. The entertainment's there.
It's all there. We've sold out the Saturday Night Investigation with Shane Pittman and
Aaron Sagers that sold out a long time ago. The Solcis Sisters Sunday.
We're about halfway there. We got about ten tickets left to well, we
like to plug that for Sunday. We're not just stopping Saturday. We're going
all the way to Sunday, you can come down to what's called we call
the Boar Guard Mansion. It's this huge mansion in the middle of King William
District, which is downtown, very old German uh neighborhood, huge houses,
huge homes, a lot of entertainment, but there's a lot of bars and
restaurants down the area. Super Haunted. We've done several events, we've done
the investigations there, we've done some You can see a video on our actual
website cleanbros dot Com of the mansion of what it's all about in the store
behind it. Social Sisters are gonna be there that Sunday and they're gonna be
demonstrating on what they do talk about what they do well is giving out healings
and selling products and doing readings and things like that stuff. Right, yeah,
yeah, stuff, So that will you hold your finger up when you
talk to them. And we're gonna have some light foods and some drinks and
some beverages and it's gonna be just a kind of relaxing metaphysical event. That's
on Sunday. I think it starts at eleven, it goes to two,
but you have the option if you want to do a reading, if you
want to do a healing, if you want to do whatever that they have
the offer. You can stay afterwards and do that. But that's the sociale
Sister Sunday. That's a separate ticket item. It's only twenty it's only twenty
dollars or twenty five dollars. We got ten tickets left, so we want
to fill that up here pretty quick and that'll be sold out and then their
vendors there. There's no venor. No no no, no, no,
no no, okay, this is no sisters. You're welcome to come over
if they could tolerate you, Scott a little bite you. I don't know,
you know, you can really get on your nerves. I mean thirty
minutes and I'm already No, I'm just kidding you. And one other thing
that that we were, you know, after Christmas, Barr and I are
really going to start pushing locally, you know, to get the local people
out for the free you know, the free tickets and come in. One
of the things that this whole thing is is any any profit that we make
after all the expenses goes to Special Olympics, and it goes to the Special
Olympics. That so Barry is a special Olympics pe teacher in the local school
district and he runs a special Olympics program there. So we're gonna whatever moody
that we that we end up having, we're going to give their plus.
There are lone Star Para con T shirts that are going to be made by
Barry. You can explain it better, but there's a there's a group of
special needs students and that's what they do is they learn how to how to
like operate businesses and they learn how to have jobs. They have T shirts.
You can either graduate your special education. Either graduate it's aditional graduation,
or you stay on what it's called the eighteen plus program. It's another four
year to year program. You can stay until you're twenty two. It's a
vocational program. They teach you job job skills, they teach you how to
do resumes, they teach you how to live on your own. It's kind
of like this life skills thing. I think we all have that already,
be honest with you. They started a shirt making business. They have heat
presses in the whole nine yards and I thought, hey, I don't want
to mess with the T shirts. I don't want to do it, so
I threw I threw the idea to them. They jumped all over it.
So we have a T shirts order, we have the all the decals,
and they're just gonna get them. They're gonna press them, and they're selling
them at the event. They're gonna have a booth there and every bit of
the money they make from the church is going right to their program, which
helps some other vocational type stuff. So we'll have Special Olympic athletes there.
We'll have Special Olympics Texas. They have a booth, they'll be there.
So it's like I said, it's for a good cause. We are not
making a dime from this event. Everything we make profit wise we'll go to
Special Olympics, so you have no excuse not to go. I think it's
great. I think it's great, and I hope people will show out.
I mean, you know, Surets, that's not far from San Antonio.
Obviously, it's got to be pretty close, about fifteen ten minutes from city
city limits. Yeah, so I mean there's people around. It's not like
you're out in the middle of nowhere. There's gonna be go. Even where
we live. We sure it's universal city live Oaks. We are in a
hundred thousands, huge, huge air We're talking thousands upon thousands of people live
in this area. It's almost like if you didn't know anybody, you think
you're still in San Antonio. You never left. That's right on thirty five,
which connects Austin in Dallas and right on the highway. So it's we
have a huge population round here that could come to this thing. That's great.
I'm excited. I've never been to Texas for my first time, so
I can't wait. First time Texas. Huh, never been to Texas now?
And of course me I'm having the Okay, so settle a little private.
You do I need cowboy boots or not? No, we all own
cowboy boots, but we don't wear them. Yeah, you fit in,
I mean everyone has, for sure, everyone has them, but they not
everybody wears them. So but I'll tell you what, in the winter time,
you'll fit right in wearing cowboy boots. Okay, good, because you
know I don't get an opportunity to wear them too much. About the weather
in January around here is that you roll the dice. It could be eighty
degrees, it could be thirty degrees. We don't know. Oh wow,
I have to watch the webit. You know, what are you telling me?
No for dangs in the comment saying no, that's not a word,
I understand. No cowboy boots. No, you asked, you asked if
we It's like if it's a thing. Not really, I mean in my
in my circle. No, I don't hang out with it. It depends
on who you are. I mean I have a circle of what you're doing
or whatever. The very next moment, had some boots. Every day that
that week or two after the event is our rodeo. Every February is a
rodeo. And yeah, then you can wear everyone's got cowboy boots and cowboy
hats. But you are required to have some sort of insignia of Texas on
you at all times. That's a law. I'll make a note. Yeah,
I bought my boots last time I was in Dallas, and you know,
of course, then I went back to New England with them and finally
gave him away because you can't. We're right at cha, that's it.
But they looked so good in Dallas. I don't know. Yeah, so,
and then Friday night, no, no, Saturday night. This isn't
the investigation now that's all sold out too. It sold out. I remember.
That's at an old theater, an old forties theater and Sagine text.
It was about twenty miles from from shirts. We've investigated a whole bunch.
It's got a lot of activity there. We got about thirty five people going
there, and we kept the numbers small. When I say sold out,
we don't. We're not packing one hundred people in there, kind of around
shoulders. So you're literally gonna have the chance to investigate and and do it
in a nice, fine, you know, small group way. But yeah,
that's a that the it's called the Palace Theater. There's a little bit
of a video I think on our website about that as well that you can
actually book that yourself if people are interested, Uh, you go through us
and you can actually rent out the place for your own your own group.
The Borreguarden mansion, you know, you can rent that out as well.
That place looks gorgeous. I can't wait to see it. It's pretty cool.
It's pretty cool place. And you guys did a great video that goes
into the history of the location, because there's been several confirmed d's there.
Yeah, we and what's funny is very Bary and I were the actually the
ones that uncovered all of the history of that place. They didn't even know
it. It's it's it's owned by some guy in Ireland who who uses it
when he comes to town for what he has business in San Antonin, So
whenever he comes to town he stays there, right. Well, all the
other times it's just managed by a company who they just kind of you the
upkeep, make sure that it doesn't burn down, and you know, the
mails and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, they would have guests spend
the night there, and more times than not they would be leaving in the
middle of the night telling them, you know, X, Y and Z
happened. You know, my hair was pulled. I saw this thing and
they and they left, and they had no idea why. So they asked,
I'll forget how you met him, Barry, but his wife, his
wife was a teacher with my wife. Yeah, that's right, So it's
her husband. That's how we how we hooked up. And so whenever people
they go, oh, you're the you're you know the Kling Brothers, right,
you're the the ghost hunting guys. Can can you have them come down,
and so we did. We went down and checked it out, and
we were there five o'clock in the afternoon and some major stuff happened. So
we started looking up and we found out all the history about the you know,
the the two confirmed deaths in the house. One was a child,
uh child labor death and the other one was a was a suicide, a
gunshot to the head and the same family. No one knew that, but
it's right there in the records that we pulled up and and it was just
bizarre. But yeah, that's that we have access to that house to be
able to rent it out to other people for the entire weekend for really really
cheap too, for a mansion, really cheap. Yeah, if you're interested,
you can go on our website and like you can, you can email
us about the mansion if you want to book it. If you're interested.
We've had people come from all over the United States to come down there and
check it out and stay there. Plus, like Barry said, not only
is it a haunted mansion, you get that experience, but it's in a
real trendy area where you can walk around the corner and go to an extra
restaurant or a bar or you know, things like it's really really cool location.
We need to plan another trip. I know i'm here. Thing in
what months do I have opened? Yeah? Right right, I'm telling you.
I'm telling you yeah. And you know, you get kind of tired
of being in the Northeast. I mean, everything is different out here.
It's it's it's okay. I mean we have places, but it's nice to
get out somewhere else and experience things you've not seen before. You know,
well, fingers crossed, that there's no bad weather up where you're at.
Nobody can give That's why we're bringing everybody, all our guests, is that
we're flying them here a day early, just in case we have or whatever.
So I don't think the problem be here. We might have a problem
else for her. But hopefully it all works out, fingers crossed. I'm
flying on Thursday, and I'm hoping, you know, because really nothing starts.
It's a late Friday, So I'm hoping, you know, if I
can get out on Thursday, and if I've started looking at the weather,
I'll leave Wednesday. You know, you get the show on your own on
Wednesday. That reminds me, are you we're gonna talk about here. Yeah,
she's driving. She's not going to be doing a show on Wedday.
Apollo is going to drive. They don't let me. That's true. That's
true. My fellow sister Kathy is coming and we're going to road trip it.
It's gonna take us like two days to get there, so it's gonna
be fun. I'm sure there'll be lots of interesting stories from that trip.
It's a long drive. I mean, it's a full solid two days from
here. I considered it, but I can't drive alone for two days in
the car, two or three days. I don't think I would want to
do that. Yeah, we're down here in Meo, Texas. It's a
thousand miles east to west of one thousand miles north to south. So once
you hit the Texas border from where you're coming from the north, you still
have another six hour drive before you get down to where we're at. Yeah,
it's almost like driving from Massachusetts to Florida, you know, really down
the whole Eastern seaboard. It's crazy. It's a big thing. And here
I thought driving across Tennessee was a lot, but no, Texas is way
bigger. My son's hot is in Dallas Fort Worth, and I said,
you know, why don't you come out, and you know, because we
haven't seen each other in forever, and so I think she's going to come.
I mean, she's talking about wanting to be there. She says,
well, it's like four hours. You can have four hours. That's not
bad. Oh, she can get in for free. Yeah right, right,
it's a deal. Yeah, we can pay everything to the to drive
distance and you say how long does it take, Well, it's like driving
from here to Houston or that's like driving from here to Dallas and people,
we know exactly how long that takes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this
is this will be fun though, this will be fun. And then everything
wraps up. So the convention's just one day. The para CON's just that
one day, the investigation at night. Then you've got the Boorder Guard event
on Sunday, right, and that's it, and that's hours on the vendor
is. Nine to six is the vendor hall. Eight to nine will be
the VIP admission. And then we also have at the very end of our
speaker, which is another ticket, is our our friend Dakota Lawrence, who's
a psychic medium. He's from Streetportana. He's gonna be here. He's gonna
do a gallery reading, and those tickets are on sale for his guy.
He'll be the very last slot on the speaker slot. But it takes a
fifty dollars ticket to go to his gallery reading, so he'll also have a
booth can meet him. And he's a he's a he's a funny guy.
He's been friends with us for a real long time. So that's great.
We need to push those tickets as well. Hopefully next month we'll get them
going. So yeah, and that has a separate link. When you go
to so the website is www. You just go, yeah, just go.
You don't have to have the WS. Just has cling bros k l
I n G E b r O s dot com. You get on the
main page, you'll see a bunch of event posts of all the different events
we'll be at. Click on the lone Star paracn event and you'll see all
the tickets sol Sae Sisters Gallery. Ready, you'll see it sold out on
the on the investigation I took sold ones down. Okay, has all the
has all the guests pictures in their bios and who they are. Has the
hotel link on there. We have to beef up. We've already sold like
shoot thirty rooms something like that, so we're gonna put another block out there.
But there's a link on the website to go and get the special disc
got great, And it's a lot of thought this too, because when we
go to convention and they put us up a hotel, sometimes the hotel is
in the middle of nowhere. There's nothing around. From this hotel. You
can walk across the parking lot and go to a Chili's. You can walk
across the parking lot and go to the Sonic or Shlot Skis. There's Talkers,
Bill Miller, Barbecue, everything store right there. I love that because
you're right many times these places and they're in the middle of nowhere and there's
absolutely nothing and there's no door dash. So you right down the street from
the convention. So it's about two miles maybe at the most, Yeah,
to dry but it's not. It's the same city, same area. And
I'm sure there's parking at the conventions. I mean, like plenty of parks
are huge. Yeah, it's a huge parking area. And then the convention
centers I don't know, ten fifteen years old, I mean it's not very
old. It's a nice place. We're gonna have full audio visual, all
the all the gadgets in the speaker area we're gonna have. It's very comfortable.
All the vendors will have their own tables. We bought. We just
bought sixty like fitted tablecloths for every table. We got pipe and draping.
It's a professional looking event, hopefully, you know, when you walk in,
if nobody comes, at least it's gonna look good. We'll take pictures.
Sure, it'll be great though, I'm sure it'll be great. You
know, in Texas where you are, do they you know, you talk
about your friend doing a gallery reading. Is that a big thing? I
mean, do people go to those things regularly or is that sort of less
common right here or not? Really? We have talk about fan infest back
in the day when we did that, we actually had Chip Coffee was here.
He did a gallery reading. It went over really well. But usually
galleries it's always like if someone comes here for an event, you don't really
see a lot of that around here. They do have metaphysical shops in town,
and it is a thing, but you just don't you know, don't
see those types of events or down here at all. It's really interesting because
like where I am now, I've got several of them book you know,
gallery events that I've got booked, and and you know, you'll sell fifty
sixty tickets to something like that, But then you go to Pennsylvania and you
know, so my tickets run between forty and sixty, depending upon like if
you're a VIP or if you're just a you know, general admission kind of
thing. But if you go to Pennsylvania, I'm doing Haunted Hillview Manor in
June, and they get like twenty five dollars a ticket because they can't sell
them because it you know, people don't people don't pay money for those.
It's like that area. It's like that with us. We'll go do an
event and price it what we think is right, and it just sells out.
We'll go do another event. It might even be cheaper and doesn't do
nothing. I mean, it's just it's the flavor of the month and just
the people. You just cannot read people's minds about what they want to do
or what they want. And like like you said, the Galveston event,
we had we had one out there and we I won't say cancer. We're
gonna put the postponent. But we sold like one ticket and it's a very
verge and we sold forty fifty tickets last year glaston but it was just you
got it's all zion around Christmas and things like that. People you know,
yeah, yeah, yeah, And oh sorry, Christina, No, I
just said, you guys really know how to put on an event. I
was at the Shenandoah event last June and was just blown away. I mean,
you lay everything out and there's tons of stuff to do. Food is
always fabulous, you know, the guests are fabulous, and I love,
absolutely adore that you're not packing in as many bodies as you can shove into
a location. It's just the right number where you keep it small enough where
everybody can interact. You can interact with your celebrities, which is always I
mean, that's what a lot of people come out for, is to spend
some time in rebelbows with these people and get to know them little bit.
And you guys actually provide an opportunity to do all of that in a smaller
environment. And I love that. Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you
say that you thought that Shenandoah last year was small because Barry and I actually
thought that was big. We're cutting that in half this year. So,
oh my gosh, half the amount of people that you were last last year,
and it's and we're gonna be doing We're actually and we're actually doing more.
We're doing more this year with less people. I can't wait. I
loved that. I talked to everybody with ears about that event. I had
so much fun. It was a cool event. That was our first.
We've been there before, but just as just tourists, and that's when we
got the idea. We met the Odor and they were all over a let's
do this and it it was probably our best event we've ever done. That's
why we like we're doing it again. So this June sixth, seventh,
and eighth, we're going back at Shenandoah in Gorgeville doing it again. We
have this time, Tim Shaw is going to be there again. We have
Richard e step coming this time with it. We're only doing one tour bus,
not to two tour buses. We're going to three different battlefields versus two.
We have an investigation at the Exchange Hotel. Saturday Night's party ticket and
then we haven't even announced this yet, but the Thursday night prior, we're
actually going to investigate Trevillian Station Battlefield, which is where one of the largest
cavalry battles have George Custer was actually, so we actually have access to George
Custer, George Custer's headquarters house to investigate as plus rols the grounds. So
that's gonna be an extra ticket. I think it's like a sixty five dollars.
We don't really project by sixty five dollars. We're only taking twenty people
on that one with us on this one too. Gypsy Jewel, who's a
good friend of our. Nobody really knows she is. She's a she'll be
at our January event. She is a metal detecting expert. She's been on
the Oak Island Show, She's been on the different different other shows as an
expert. She lives here in Texas. We've we've done a couple of events
with her. She's actually coming out there to join us and just kind of
talk about what she does, finding relics and things like that. She's also
into the paranormal, so she's gonna be there with us this time, join
us. So it's it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be I hate to
do it to people that I feel bad, but we jam pack a lot
of stuff and a very small amount of time. So it's go, go,
go, go go. But you know, while we're there, we
want to take advantage of all these things, like we're going to Wilderness Battlefield,
Sponsylvania Battlefield, Chancersville Battlefield. This time. Food won't be as foo
fu, it won't be as Brad and I are actually gonna get the aprons
on and we're grilling dogs and burgers for everybody. So there's a hot dogs.
Yes, there's a hot dog. We're gonna do it upright and cook
for everybody and make it more of a barbecue, backyard barbecue type of fuel.
Oh, we still have access that night. You can still investigate the
seventeen hundred mansion that was there on the property. Oh that place was great.
Yep. So that's all available to us as well. So there's a
lot of them, a lot more investigations this time around, you know,
in a few more battlefields. So we were but less people. So now
is that still on sale? I mean there sale you can go to It's
called Shadows of Shenando. There's a poster on our website, clean grows dot
com. Yeah, we only have about twenty left. We saw we are
sold twenty. Really we're we're shooting for forty, but we might stop at
thirty. I don't know. We kind of have a breakoff point that maybe
break even, but forty is the max. Last year we had eighty five.
Oh wow, eighty five people there like that? It really well,
I guess because you guys had to split up into two buses, two buses
and it was Yeah, it wasn't bad, but I just it's easier to
manage with this smaller group and used, like you said, you just get
more out of it. I love talking. If I could be another job,
I'd be a tour guy. That's what I want to do, a
Civil War tour guide. And and I I that's that's my that's my moment
is doing that, the tours and stuff that we did, because of course
we have my grandfather fought in those battles, and that's kind of when we
tie that personal touch into those, we're actually going to where they fought.
So is tim Shaw his was it his grandfather? Yeah? You remember?
Yeah? Yeah, So they faced each other on the battlefield line the line.
Yeah, Wilderness Battlefield if you've ever been there, there's an area there
where a lot of that happened. And we found out through the ranger and
through just research. His grandfather was on one side, my grandfather was on
the other side, and they were literally in the front line of those sides
and we're literally shooting at each other. In fact, his father in law,
his grandfather was wounded. He took a he took a musketball right in
the belt buckle. He actually has the belt buckle that could have my grandfather
could shot that. We don't know, you know, it is possible,
right, So we found that out while we're there. You know, it's
like, what's wild. It was really emotional to watch as you guys like
talked about where and went to the spots on the field, and it added
an extra element. Yeah, we're just totally into the family thing. And
just to stand where our grandfather stood one hundred and sixty years ago is pretty
I mean right where he stood, not just oh he's in this area,
he stood right right here. Yeah, so that's pretty cool. I also
found on that trip my wife's grandfather fought. She was also Confederate He fought
in the same field on the opposite side of my grandpa, my grandfather.
So here we are, my wife, grandfather's there, my grandfather's there.
There, we're having a good time and we're going to reenact that battle.
We're gonna shoot each other next, you know, we go back to there
you go. It seems like you though we think about it, the implications
is one bullet to the head, we're not here, we're not there,
and something like that, and it's like it just the butterfly effect of all
of that is surreal. It really is. I mean when you look at
the big picture and then meeting and coming together, so not only are you
here, but meeting and going back basically through time to walk on the field
where everything took place. It is crazy. And you know, I've never
been where you're going. In June, I need to. The only reason
I haven't booked my ticket yet is because I get back from Pennsylvania. I
have the event on the first, and I supposedly have another event on the
seventh in Maine, but it's not gone out, it's not gone up for
sale yet, and it could it could be moved at this point, you
know, what I mean, it could be moved at this point, so
you need to cancel it. I can say for a fact you'd have a
lot of fun on this trip. I'm sure I would. I'm sure I
will. You know, I I do need to I need to reach out
to Chris and the guy that the other medium and I'm doing the event with.
Then just see if we can't move it another week or two. Yeah,
there's no excuse because I think the week a week or so after that,
Brad, it hasn't really been announced. We're going to Australia. Yeah,
we had the land down Under for an event, so spilled the tell
us. The guy, the guy that, the guy doing it. We
went there about eight years ago. We did an event there and we made
good friends with this guy. He he'll be there. He'll be at the
event in January. Him and his wife are things built to bone. His
wife's wife is also psychic medium. She does a lot of police work and
stuff in Australia. But he's gonna We're working out the We already got the
dates, were got the locations. Nothing, nothing's announced, nothing's gonnnounce,
but we are I would say ninety five percent going to Australia in late June,
you got Scott. No, I don't well, and you know,
I'm going to be in Naples in February and then we're off to New Orleans
right afterwards. So I do have a ten year old at home. I
have to tend to once in a while, you know, a little food
and water. Yeah, you know, that's yeah, it's all good.
It's all good. My young and turned out fine. You know. They
eventually just grow and leave to box and cheese it to the cas of soda,
you know, big boy magazine, and you're all set. Not yet,
not a couple of years, I guess. I don't know. Oh
my god, I can't take you anywhere. No, not usually not usually
have a good time, though, we have a good time. Yeah,
because I actually said to Christina, I said, why don't you come with
me to Pennsylvania and then we'll just keep driving. We'll go to Shenandoah right
afterwards. I'm getting a visit from Dana and Rowing, which I didn't realize
at the time. Yeah, that's all right. I need to get home
in between. Anyway, you know, it's I think Rowan's looking forward to
my fried Chicken anyhow, so yeah, what's cool about that event up there.
It's not just our event, like we hung over. We took a
whole family last last summer and we went to Washington, d C. We
you know, all the different was it Madison's House. We go to Monticello
and and we just did a lot of like touristy stuff around that we never
really can see while we're there because it's I mean, you're in the hub.
You talk about history. I mean you're in the middle of every revolutionary
war. Yeah, so there's a lot of things to do there, really
is. I know, we did that. We took a day and hit
a couple of the historic sites around there. And I'm not gonna lie.
I'm terrible with history and I won't even pretend to know where I went so
because I just humiliate myself if I tried to say. But it was really
really awesome just to see the history and how well it's preserved. That's really
cool. Yeah, I went to Monticello in Washington's House and yeah, you
know, I've done that, but I was I was probably like ten or
twelve, so I don't, you know, none of that really had the
same It hasn't changed very much since it's been there since the seventh No,
Washington's still dead. You know that hasn't changed at all. But no,
But I mean as an adult, I think you can appreciate it more and
the significance of it, and certainly not the haunts Dad's joke. He said,
you know why Washington was buried on a hill? Why because he's dead,
Because he's I love dad jokes. I could listen all day. Yeah,
my son, not so much. You know something I've always wondered,
how did you guys get started in all of this? Because we all have
an origin story that's a glad story. Well, how much time? How
much time I got? Let's see how quick this story? A million times?
Barry knows it, but I can hear him telling the same story almost
verbatim to other people. But it starts back officially when I was like seventeen
years old, and I was at Gettysburg of all places, And this is
why we're so fast with Gettysburg. But it was it was in the summer.
I was summer between my junior and senior year in high school. My
I was the last of four kids. I'm the youngest. Barry was in
the navy, in Miami at the time, down in Homestead. So my
parents go, hey, let's do a let's do around the country road trip.
We'll wander down to Homestead. Eventually we'll visit Barry, we'll come back
home, you'll start your senior year whatever. Say cool. I'm a big
history buff. So we stop at all the historical places along the way,
Gettysburg and Phililadelphia and Williamsburg and like all that kind of stuff. Well,
the Gettysburg trip, we were on our way out of town. It was
in the middle of the day, middle in July, clear blue sky is
probably noone or one o'clock, so it's not like it was nighttime or anything.
I see this group of Union soldiers right cruising across the field. So
I tell my dad say, hey, stop the truck, me jump out.
I'm gonna go. I had the big VHS video camera, so I'm
gonna go videotape them because I was kind of doing like a video log of
the whole trip. And so I got out there and I start filming,
and then as soon as I passed them by, they're gone on the video,
like through the through the video screen, and you go like this,
they're gone, and I go back and I'm looking and they're they're nowhere to
be found. There's no way they could have got on my side. I
look back on the videotape on the little playback and they're sure enough they're there.
So at that moment, I was like, Okay, there's no way,
there's no way that could have happened. It's my personal proof of the
paranormal. We get down to Miami, I showed Barry. Barry's kind of
like, oh, that's cool. And so for the next I don't know,
ten or fifteen years, I started researching a lot of the stuff.
Then when I get into college after I'm sorry, After I graduated from college,
I get a job where I travel a little bit. So every city
I go to, I went on a little like local ghost tour that had
or a historical tour. I was in San Francisco, so I went out
to Alcatraz on an evening tour, and I stopped at a radio shack along
the way and I got a little digital loudy recorder. Because the TV shows
were just starting to come out at that time, around two thousand and five,
two thousand and six, and maybe a little bit earlier, but anyway,
as luck would have it, I was able to be in the solitary
confinement area by myself because there was a problem with the boat and so everyone's
down in the dock with the rangers. Let me stay up and just like
kind of cruise around got I did recordings, and on three recordings in the
same session, I got three different things. I got these voices that were
coming across and I'm thinking to myself, this is this is too easy,
this is too easy. I don't know what this is the magical little digital
record I don't know what was happening. I showed Barry. He was hooked,
and I said, hey, you know, let's go out and let's
investigate some places around here and do that kind of stuff. He had a
little the digital video camera. I had the audio recorder. That was it.
We were out and investigated. We brought some of our friends together.
We formed the Everyday Paranormal Team. And then it was I mean months later
we were doing museums and television stations and the word got out of what we
were doing around here, and then you know, at the TV caught wind
and that whole story is history. But we literally formed in two thousand and
seven October two thousand and seven, and we were on TV. We had
the deals, well, we were approached for April two thousand and nine when
we signed April one thousand and nine, but July two thousand and eight,
so from October two thousand and seven we were contacted for the television stuff by
the producers in July two thousand and eight. So that's it was a whirlwind
of Wow, that is a whirlwind. Yeah. But there wasn't as much
out there back then, not like there is now. You know. Now
we were one, We were the original four of the major network. So
there was Ghost Centers on Sci Fi, there was Ghost Adventures on Travel Channel,
there is Aaron Almost Stayed on A and E. And there was Us
on Discovery. It was that was those were the four shows. And I
watched all fours. Yeah, ogg, yeah, yeah, I mean back
then, I remember, you know, talking with someone who did this,
you know back probably right another period of time. And and and I don't
think there were really places to go that you could rent out to go and
investigate. I think people used to sneak into buildings, you know, if
they were lucky enough to find something. A lot of cold phone calls a
lot of people, Hey I know this, know this other guy, you
know that kind of thing. Right. See, for me, my first
love was residential work is what I loved. I didn't get into, you
know, doing like the prisons and the big asylums and stuff like that until
many many years later. So but really from home, Yeah, we did
a lot of We still doom time to time. We just did a house
a year ago here in Church, so they still pop up for once in
a while, do you you it's it's not we're not out like seeking it
or looking for it. But like you know, we had a realtor friend
that was having problems to the house he was renovating, and he got a
hold of me and we went out there, just me and Brad and my
wife and uh Lisa, our group, and we just put our cameras up.
We left for like two hours and went to dinner, came back and
did some other work. Really nothing was going on, but we caught a
i mean a pretty cool shadow figure on the camera when we were gone.
Nobody was in the house. So uh, that's how we roll. We
just we throw out the cameras and we go eat Mesican food and come back
and find there you go, there you go. And we were just down
at an abandoned the hospital a couple of weeks ago. Someone hired us for
their birthday party. They want to go down there and finally have a ghost
experience. And we met them down there and we went through this hospital.
You know we're doing because I actually like left so hard the sprite came out
my nose. I was watching your live. I think you guys referred to
yourselves as the birthday Ponies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were really
nice people, and they you know, it's it's they they just you know,
they see the TV shows and they they just don't know what to do.
In fact, they think this, you know, profusely by saying,
you know, man, we would not have known to do half the stuff.
They would have gone into that abandoned hospital and just sat there and go,
I don't know what to do. You know, it's like an official
playbook of what to do. But you know, there's a there's a method
to the madness sometimes mm hmm. It was a typical investigation. It wasn't
like a bunch of stuff. We had a few few occurrences, a few
weird things happened and things like that. Yeah, but it was just I
told this is this is a typical investigation. This is you know, this
is how it goes. It's pretty boring and then it you know, a
couple of a couple of minutes of excitement and then you know that's it.
Yeah, sometimes it's a spook factor, you know what I mean, Just
what are you going to see? You know, it's it's just cookie players,
just an old Catholic uh run hospital. The nuns lived there and the
priests lived there, and just it's pretty spooky. It looked pretty cool though
from the pictures that you guys shared and everything. Yeah, it was a
good time. It's great. So we have about five minutes left, believe
it or not. Time wow here when you're having a good time. So
we want to make sure people know how they can get your events clean.
Bros kl I n g E bros dot com. And is everything there?
So Shenandoah is there, and the Lone Star Para con is there, and
everything's there coming And we even have a merchandise that we have hats and beanies
and decals we sell. There's also uh like we'll be at the Battle of
the gayswork Battlefield Bash. We'll be at the paras Icon up at a in
May. That's that's on our website. You can go there and buy tickets
for that. Of course our Shenando events there and of course our lone Star
Para Con. So yeah, it's a one stop shop. Everything that we
do we put on our website. We do it all as well on Facebook.
We get more traffic on our website than anything, so we we like
to keep it updated. Brad. Brad handles all that stuff. But yeah,
anything and everything. You would know what we're doing. We just go
to the Clingbros dot com. When is getty Burg? You know, Gettysburg
Bash is the last weekend of July I believe. Okay, I was gonna
say, I thought it was over the summer. Yeah, it's July twenty
seventh or something like that. But we might even go a little earlier,
maybe do some Roan personal stuff while we're there, and then then we'll do
the event. So we've never done that event before, but looking forward to
That's another charity event, is it? Yeah? I never had the sponsors.
I think Wooded Warriors veteran veteran type stuff. Good Steve, Steve Berry
and Pamela Berry. They they're the ones that run it and there. We've
been to a Cuple. We've been to the Lookout House that US owned.
We did an event there. We've been to the Hoover House, which is
about forty minutes from Gettysburg. We did an event there. So they're very
steeped in the paranormal. Didn't you just do an event? Yeah, we
were there, Dan it was there. We did that back, you know,
and tim Shaw was there and we did ah we did the whole three
day battle uh event, you know, like tour on a bus. And
then we actually did an experiment. We did an audio experiment on pickets charge
and then we came back that night and went over audio. We actually caught
musket fire that tim Shaw actually was shouting commands and on command we got really
heavy musket fire. So it was it was successful event and a successful experiment
and everyone had a great time. Now was another one. We only took
twenty people. We saw twenty. That's it. We stopped it at twenty
people. I find that fascinating though. I've heard that you know the phantom
fire. Oh yeah, we got we have cannon fire. We have we've
caught the rebel Yelle on audio. We caught drum beats on audio. We
got a lot of stuff at Gettysburg. That's kind of what That's kind of
what started the whole finding our relatives was from panel investigating in Gettysburg. We
caught something at Devil's Den. Well, grandfather from Virginia, he was,
he fought in Gettysburg as well, and that's where we first found out that
we even had a grandfather that fought. Yeah, we caught some some stuff
at Devil's Den, which is one of our favorite places. We kind of
foind out that's where he fought. He was at Devil's Den, That's where
he was. So, you know, it kind of just surprises me.
And I was saying it before that it's your grandparents. I mean, I
think of my my grandparents. You know, now I'm almost sixty. My
grandparents were. It's my it's my three times great great great grandfather. Oh
now that makes complete sense to me. Okay, all right, that morning
and in nineteen twelve, so gotcha. I'm like, I was like,
man, either that or great great third great grandfather great all my mom's son.
That makes complete sense. Okay, got it? Because I'm thinking york
Yorg. Yeah, it's got married fifteen. My grand my grandfather is one
hundred and eighty years old. Now, yeah, you can see him January
the Lone Star Paracon. Oh yeah, Data just said very and brader A
fifties, one hundred and fifties. Yeah. I mean, math is not
my strong subject, but I got to, you know, madding it up
and it's well, I don't know if it's O talk for what, but
you look fabulous. Yeah, yeah, that's telling you. Always a fun
time with you guys. Hey, if you're coming to on Star parent Scott's
gonna be there. He has a booth, and the Social Sisters they all
have their booths and they'll be doing things and the Social Sister Sunday. We
want to sell out those tickets as well because all goes to a great cause.
So get your tickets. If you don't want to buy a ticket,
just come on down and enjoy the day. Hello, absolutely, and then
check out some of the other events too. I got a call about that
day in June. See if I can do, you're gonna, we're gonna,
we're gonna guilt you into it, so there's no guilt necessary. I
definitely want to go. I tell you Deborah Wilson, our friend Devor Wilson
is going to be there at the event January excellent. She will make you
buy a ticket. She's that good. She is redless. All right,
guys, I got a herd wrapper. Thank you for being here. Everyone.
We have a great night. We will see you next week. We
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