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You know, every now and then
I think you might like to hear something

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from us, nice and easy working. There's just one thing, you see,

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we never ever do nothing nice and
easy. We always do it nice.

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We're gonna take the beginning of this
song and do it easy, but

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then we're gonna do the finish.
May we do crowd new old Listen to

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the story now. Now, this
is obviously not the regular intro to the

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show that you're hearing, because we
are paying tribute to an icon and someone

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who was very influential in my life
as an artist. The incomparable Tina Turner

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passed away in her home just outside
of Zerich, Switzerland, on Wednesday,

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May twenty fourth. The post on
her official Facebook page reads, it is

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with great sadness that we announced the
passing of Tina Turner. With her music

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and her boundless passion for life,
she enchanted millions of fans around the world

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and inspired stars of tomorrow. Today
we say goodbye to a dear friend who

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leaves us all her greatest work,
her music. All our heartfelt compassion goes

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out to her family. Tina.
We will miss you dearly, So with

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that I pay tribute to Tina Turner
and the only way I know how with

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our music. You must try to
do that and be loving. Start to

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do it even we don't need to
do. I want is my I can't

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stand the right against my window,
bringing my sweet memories. I can't stand

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the right stand together. But then
you wean golden night, the time for

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sweetness, but a bitter kids bringing
to his knee. When I was a

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little girl, I had a bright
when we do now. I love you

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the floy I love the right.
Come. I'm gonna find a dancer for

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you what you want me to do? But men, get tromber. We

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must stop pretending. I can't eve
the spy. I don't care who's all

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right? I don't really want to
fight. I folks want to welcome my

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guests to the show. It is
Greg from the Great American Landscape. Welcome

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back to the show Man. Thanks. I was really looking forward to quite

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honestly, and I've been, as
you say, jumping in and doing a

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lot of research and getting ready.
I like to subjects, and you know

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it's funny is we've talked about a
lot of things, but never really and

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extensively on your main show. I
know it's always about something else, but

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we are going to talk about bigfoot
tonight. So I was really glad to

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a get you back on the show. I've missed these conversations and when you

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suggested this topic, I was like, well, we can definitely do that.

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So one of the things I know
we're going to get into, well

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a lot of the things we're going
to get into is some of the things

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that have bugged both you and I
about bigfoot and bigfoot research and sasquatchery in

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general over these last few years.
So let's just get right in. I

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know you've got a list that you've
brought with you, so let's kind of

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get into the list and tear into
some of these subjects one by one,

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okay, And I'll try not to
use words like it's squatchy and stuff like

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that little thing to get on my
nerves even though it's it's kind of funny.

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I've got my big foot t shirt
on. What you can't see is

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it says winner of the Hide and
Seek Contest. And I get a lot

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of comments on this when I'm walking
around with it on, and people are

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like, that's great because you know
kind of place to the point of where

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is he and I've been binging a
lot of your shows and a lot of

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the TV shows on the subject lately. I thought we got to talk about

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this, and I've got some big
issues. I'm I want to be a

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believer. I'm gonna put it that
way, use the X file lines,

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I want to believe. But you've
been using a football analogy and what was

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your thought on that? Basically,
Well, it came from Pat Turner from

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Squatch Talk doing one of the shows
we did last towards the end of the

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year last year. Pat was like, you know, the Paterson Gimblin film

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put us on the five yard line
and we've kind of been stuck there ever

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since nineteen sixty seven. So I've
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and use that analogy sort of that
we're on the five yard line in Bigfoot

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research, and frankly, I don't
see it moving anytime saying yeah, and

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I see it quite a bit differently. I think the PG film, which

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you know, quite honestly, I
never heard that term PG until everybody's usually

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just nobody can say those two words
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The PG film, I think,
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It's you know, it's a video, is it real? So it's

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kind of a fifty fifty thing for
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Which way are we going to go? But I actually think we've progressed

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and then regressed. I think we're
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think we're on the fifteen about to
score because I think the Bigfoot community in

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some ways has screwed themselves with just
the way they go about it, the

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way they present themselves. I don't
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I don't think they mean to be
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if they know they're shooting themselves in
the foot sometimes, you know, we'll

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talk about a little bit about DNA
films, big giant leaps of faith on

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things. So yeah, so that's
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where we retreated a lot, and
I'm hoping we can make it up with

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a more scientific approach than a lot
of what I've seen. One of your

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recent shows had a guy on that
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a documentary that's coming out that he
wants people to donate money too. Now,

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the guy very interesting. A lot
of talk about DNA, which will

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hope something comes out of that,
because when I visited on my show Great

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America, Now you got me?
Is the American landscape that you know?

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Actually the Great American Landscape actually has
a good ring to it. Maybe I

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should have updated. We went to
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pre Bigfoot Museum in Fulton, California, and it's struggling a little bit out

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here now. We visited before COVID
and it's a tiny little place on the

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edge of Fulton, California, in
some redwoods. And he told me about

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a book which I haven't had time
to read yet, called Nature of the

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Beast. Now. It was written
by Brian Sykes. And if anybody knows

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or have heard about the Seven Daughters
of Eve, he's the one through DNA

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discovered that we all are connected to
that mitochondrial Eve. So he's got some

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I always say science behind him.
Some credibility probably is the word I was

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looking for. So that should be
an interesting read. And he's kind of

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a guy who probably when he speaks
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That was at Merrill Lynch. What
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speaks, people listen that kind of
a thing. So that's on my to

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do list. Another one he gave
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Foot, Sasquatch, oh Man,
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by Agon T. Sanderson's supposed to
be a very It's a book written a

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sixties but very pivotal. I haven't
ready. So here's some of my questions.

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I keep hearing things as I watched, like I've been been watching Finding

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Bigfoot because I'd been a while since
I watched it. I've been told Bobo

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was sick, that he'd even been
poisoned at one point. I don't know

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if that's true. Came up from
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in the know. But when you
see him presently, he's lost a lot

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of weight. I mean, good
for him. I'd sure like to lose

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that kind of weight. But I
so I watched the first or second season,

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and I thought, you know,
I'm just gonna jump to twelve.

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There was a newest season on the
streaming device. I use to see if

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anything has changed. Not really,
they're still making these giant leaps. They

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were actually in town for the PG
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almost said Willow Creek. I don't
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Creed, Bluff, Creed, whatever. The little talent is, you know,

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the big squatchy gathering, and I
found that nothing's really changed or making

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these big giant leaps and things would
come out like, um, Bigfoot is

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attracted to the color blue and this
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I'm like, well, how do
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you've gifted and I have a kind
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but there's a lot of wild animals
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you know, raccoons. I used
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wasn't supposed to do till after I
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In fact, they are little thieves, a little they're very good.

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And when they make these absolutes,
it just drives me crazy because here's guys

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that have said and this covers all
the shows because expedition ever or expedition that's

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attraction, sorry, expedition Bigfoot is
probably the one I have a little more

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respect for because I like their approach
the guy that's you know, let's say,

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overseeing it, tracking sightings, putting
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where they supposedly are during certain seasons, and then attacking it that way.

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To me, that seems like a
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make stupid decisions. Always see something. Let's run, You've just violated all

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the rules, right, let's run
after. Let's do this. Oh there's

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a TP that's obviously bigfoot? Is
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Make this TP? How do you
know this tepee thing is a bigfoot?

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And then there was one I heard
last night. I think for the first

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time it was a whispering thing.
First it was like, hey, man,

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I scientist. Lady, she's not
an anthropologies is a field biologist?

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I think she said I was clear. Today I heard yeah man, or

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yeay man, Oh that's no Bigfoot's
do that all the time. How the

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hell do you know that? You
know, if we had so much evidence,

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all the supposed evidence, we would
be seeing this guy Jane, you

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know goodall or what was the other
one, Diane Fosse types would be sitting

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with them and studying them. Let's
kind of put this in perspective. They

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say they've been see what's fifty I
don't do the math. Fifty years since

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the Kim Lee film. These guys
say they've been tracking it squatching for twenty

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five years or more. The first
guy, the first Westerner to see a

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guerrilla was like an eighteen fifties I
think. Okay, So, you know,

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honestly, we judge a lot of
our history by the Western world,

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even though the Eastern world has probably
seen these things, or the African world

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has seen these things forever. But
to the Western guy eighteen fifties, superbacks

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weren't even known until nineteen oh two. So yeah, forty years, fifty

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years before sasquatch was found. But
we're laying around watching what they do,

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we're observing them, we're teaching them
to sign, but we still can't find

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the sasquatch. You know, it
doesn't make any sense. But I want,

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I do want to believe. I
believe he can exist, I really

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do. But just guy can't be
that elusive. And then you have to

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get into all the oil. He's
part of the UFO phenomenon, or he's

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he's a shape shifter. I'd heard
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of up North here in California.
I'm like, really, they're shape shifters.

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I didn't know that. And these
things are spoken with absolute you know.

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But I'm like, where's all the
scat? You know, where's the

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bones? Now? You know?
People try to say, oh, in

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fact, in fact, this one
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doing a dinosaur thing, something about, you know, I heard it's not

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very common to find bearer skulls or
skeletons. And one guy says, I

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saw one x amount of you know, I was doing my field research.

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They're out there, but it's like
we want to kind of snake through some

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of these. Oh you never see
bears out dead in the woods, but

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you'll find many people that say they
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times they want to leave things on
the table and not discussed and put that

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into the mix. And that's what
I find really frustrating. I mean,

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how do we know that and this
would be a large group of people with

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hypertricuiosis or how do you however you
pronounce that you know what that is?

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Right when they're totally covered with what
werewolf syndrome. I think it's called because

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I was looking at the PG film
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I mean, you see eyes and
it looks like it's all fur from there,

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and I you know, I like
Harry. From Harry to Henderson's that's

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my favorite Sasquatch expressions. You can
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big furry guy. But that's really
not what the Patterson film shows. And

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a lot of other photographs tend to
show something that you can barely see a

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mouth. If you just see eyes, they're always out of focus. I

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don't think I've ever seen an in
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Patterson. He fell off his horse
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but he got it fairly stable.
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you know, the camera's going all
over and I've heard people say, well,

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they're probably panicking. Okay, fine. I'm on the monorail in Las

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Vegas a recent convention, and I
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in to the airport, and I'm
going to go blank on the name of

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the flight. They're white planes with
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Vegas Airport. There a fifty one
Janice thank you. Once I found it,

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I stabilized on it and I would
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I wanted to see it, and
I like, all I got to get

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the sun film. This is cool. I've seen it a hundred times when

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I've been in Vegas. But you
know, and I've steadied myself up,

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it can be done. I don't
know why everybody acts like this is such

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a hard thing to do to get
a steady shot of anything, whether it's

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the UFO, the big Foot,
the chupacabra, the you know, you

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name the beast that we can't seem
to get a freaking decent footage on.

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And everybody is carrying a camera these
days. It's not like you've got to

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go get a roll of film,
be prepared to know what you're doing.

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You can just point and shoot it. Why are we still fifty years later,

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twenty five for all these supposedly I
absolutely know it's Bigfoot. I've seen

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him. Where was your camera?
Where was your recording device? At night?

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down the list a little bit and
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right, I tend to agree with
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I have to admit that most people
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Bigfoot podcast and I've never watched one
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I watched Finding big Foot back in
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watcher, and I've never watched Expedition
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with Russell Accord. I hung out
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He's a super nice guy, really
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around. Right, I've never watched
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met him, I've met Ronnie,
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had people to watch one of the
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that's what people tell me that,
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a very scientific approach. Maria is
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and he yes, So you have
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Right, And let's go back to
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the show before. Cliff and I've
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stuff in general. Never talked to
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talked to him, and I'm about
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July. Him, Matt Moneymaker,
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there, so I'll get to have
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So here's the thing about television.
Obviously, some of the things you

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describe are obviously for television. There's
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you know you're in the business,
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do to keep people interested. So
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be at night. They've got to
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the holler or the you know,
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that Expedition Bigfoot are trying to use
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footage of these things. They had. They had a tethered drone. I

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think they were doing. I don't
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you know thing, but yes,
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longer. You know, the average
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time. That's what mine is.
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a much more scientific approach. So
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and she sometimes there's a lot of
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or approach or whatever. Yes,
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very first episodes, that that infamous
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the hill or whatever, he said, they caught one on thermal that night.

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where they were filming, trying to
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Foot. That's Cliff's analogy on the
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a very honest guy. I don't
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of him. But they are convinced
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is that what it was? I
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I think they're at least they were
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I certainly get your trepidation about it
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it's now famously you know, not
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people talk about finding Bigfoot, because
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tracks and foot castings and stuff like
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a there there, and I think
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the same path. What were you
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Sasquatch out to sea warming right back
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gonna say, you know, I'll
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because you can't get a true image
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to an area. Is it pretty
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there, they try to come in
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finding Bigfoot, they have a town
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to see, and of course sent
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they've seen one. You know,
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I've told the story about seeing a
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saucer. I saw something flying.
I couldn't identified doing weird things that being

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in the Air Force didn't seem like, you know the way aircraft but fly.

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some of these that can do some
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open. But the big Foot,
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dinosaur, the anthropologists and talking about
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about the science of why they think
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they look like, because of course
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men ever you know here at the
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course science doesn't believe that. Yet
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footprints and footprints, and then they
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like shrinkage and different things, or
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it could look and they're quick to
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some of the stuff we're done here, even wood knocks. I mean,

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to be heard that on a general
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of really in depth research to figure
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snaps. It sounds like this,
an acorn falls, You think it's you

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know, you've something's been thrown at
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this stuff just seems really really far
fetched, and it's become the absolute.

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Woodknocks for the absolute, this howl, the howl. If it seems like

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the Sierra Sounds are the kind of
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that we can't identify to sounds the
closest to what most people say bigfoots sound

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like. Instead of going out there
with Bobo or whoever and yelling some sound

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they think sounds like a squatch,
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that do the talking, if you
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show that you recently had about the
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I couldn't decide who was talking because
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was recording it talking at the same
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became very unclear. And what I
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of ghost walks and watched enough zach
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Hearing something in person versus hearing it
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changes things quite a bit. It's
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it in first person. So I'll
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But I don't understand if they want
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because quite honestly, it's like you
barking at your dog. Dog looks at

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you like you're an idiot. You
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might get some other animals to make
some noise. I don't think they're really

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doing anything but looking like I don't
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just doesn't seem like a scientific approach, and it's not very approach. Doesn't

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seem to be very scientific, you
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and sort of like ancient Aliens,
which again I love the show, but

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everything's always aliens on these shows.
If they can't explain it. The scientists

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as well, it's not explained to
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Bigfoot is known to do this.
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something new comes up and scientists or
they say, they know that Bigfoot

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does this, but there's not a
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like to think there's a consensus.
Then I heard they think they bury their

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own. But what'd you find,
like a come across a graveyard at some

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point? Then, I mean,
we're raised to such a level of intelligence,

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I say, we they assume they
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vegetarians for all we know. There's
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I have a trouble with. And
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I really do believe no one,
no film, no picture is ever to

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be solving this absolute sign. The
scientific community, for whatever reason, doesn't

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even want to jump in on this. The guy interviewed up at this museum

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went to school to be an anthropologist. He wanted to write his dissertation on

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Bigfoot, and they told him no. So when science tells you no,

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it kind of turns you off.
I had an art instructor do that to

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me, came buy as working a
piece of clay, smashed it. You

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can do better than that. I
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kid. You know, that's not
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creative. And this is kind of
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like there was one with the hunting
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What happens when your dog is attacked
by someone they don't know. They

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yelped, the growl, they scream, but Bigfoot going, you know,

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cover his mouth, and I mean
they make big leaves and then they end

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up finding the dog. By the
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under a building. And those guys
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at the end of every show,
there's no answer, there's no help.

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They haven't scared anything away, and
they do stupid stuff like Johnny, h

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something just walked by me. We'll
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What would a most hunters do something
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gonna go after that. And I
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Foot team, so see, I
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a nice guy, but then later
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backwoods Southern I'm gonna kill this thing
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feet and bring it into town.
And though I do believe that maybe what

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it's gonna take for any scientists to
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Science just doesn't want to accept this
stuff. They're opening it up to

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UFOs, which is surprising, even
the tik tak videos and all that.

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But the Big Man just doesn't seem
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I don't believe in giants now,
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bit. That is, that is
biblical faith out of the book. You

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know, we've been taught the whole
Nefflin thing. That could all be very

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true. We don't know. Today. I think we would have seen these

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people. I do believe there could
be wood apes, There could be a

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range of tangs. After watching the
Tiger King and seeing what those different guys

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had brought into this country or rescued
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How do we not know? Maybe
not dissimilar to the newer versions of the

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Planet of the Apes. When they
got some intelligence, they went off,

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They lived in the woods. For
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they intruded on their area. I
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how vast this country is. And
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I live in what I don't call
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know, suburbia. My cousins and
like Missouri, South Dakota, they think

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I live in this big city.
I'd say, no, big cities like

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San Francisco, New York, Chicago. To me, those are cities.

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I'm just in suburbia that just never
stops. Though. Ten twenty miles from

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here, people are getting jumped by
cougars mountain lines as they're bicycling in the

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local mountains. We got bears.
I actually tried to look up. We

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were talking about let's find some modern's
what's going on right now in the big

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Foot world. Everything I found was
the latest five videos You've got to see.

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You know that I typed in my
local mountains. Yes, there's been

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some sightings, of course, nothing
on film, nothing on cameras. All

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stories, and I think it's easy
to work yourself up into that. I

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mean, how you've been to campfires
as a kid. Somebody tells a story

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got you all worked up, and
now everything you hear is whatever has been

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told. Right. One of the
things I've said before about like finding Bigfoot,

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and now I guess for the next
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It did a lot of great things
in my opinion, in that it brought

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Sasquatch into everybody's home. It brought
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okay we're talking about right, And
I think that's a good thing in a

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lot of cases. But the other
negative are plenty of the things that you

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talked about with the wood knocking,
and again a lot of that stuff was

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for television, right. You got
to have something to do, and that's

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what I've I've talked about that on
the show before, Like what do you

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do when you're out looking for Bigfoot? If you can't yell in the woods

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and you can't beat on a tree, Nobody's going to watch a show where

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somebody sits around for twelve hours in
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I do agree with you. Is
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the shows kind of accept this.
Now you've been to bigfoot conferences, right,

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Oh yeah, so is wooden knocking
considered church if you will? Oh

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yeah. There's plenty of people that
you talk to that we'll talk in definitives

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about tree structures. They'll talk in
definitives about wood knocking, they'll talk about

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the vocalizations. And that's where I
draw the line, And that's why I

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really have an issue with anybody,
whether it be a television show or a

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researcher up giving a talk or coming
on my show. I've said it plenty

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of times. Anybody who comes on
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talking about a subjective because we don't
know well. A lot of people argue

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that they do know they exist because
they've seen them. But for the rest

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of the world who have not like
myself and like you, who want to

404
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:22.480
be believers and want to find answers
to the question, definitively, the rest

405
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.519
of us need proof, right,
But you can't talk in definitives about what

406
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.599
you know that they do. And
I hear that often. Right. We'll

407
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.599
get into a little bit of that
I think we're going to talk a little

408
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:36.440
bit more about DNA. I certainly
want to get into that before we move

409
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.680
on to anything else. But when
you start talking in definitives, my answer

410
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.200
is always this, how do you
know that, How have you proven this?

411
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.319
What scientific research have you done,
what controls did you put into place?

412
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.559
How many times has this theory been
tested and retested? And how do

413
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.960
you come to that conclusion? And
it's usually just well, we've done it.

414
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.640
When we've been out researching, we
know that break sticks in this direction.

415
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.240
It's a trail marker to let everybody
know that they take this trail and

416
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.400
there's a secret trail on the left, and there's a secret trail if it's

417
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.359
broken on the right. That's what
I was watching one where they found the

418
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:18.039
kill and it was obviously a bigfoot
kill, Brian, Don't you know because

419
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.759
the bone of the deer was twisted
and broke, It's not because the bear

420
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.880
or the deer was maybe attacked by
a cat or a bear and it rolled

421
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.839
down the hill and it broke.
It's like, no, only big foots

422
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.799
can do that. And again,
unless that's been an observed thing. That's

423
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:38.759
why I go back to like Jane
Goodall and doctor FOSSi, who literally lived

424
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:47.599
with these things and observed and scientifically
proved through the observation, reobservation and reobservation

425
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.519
again. And that where now that
I listened to one of your recent shows

426
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.240
about DNA gathering, if and I
can trust those guys as knowing what they're

427
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.599
talking about. On hunting big foot, there was a DNA sample they were

428
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.720
getting. They're tweezering into this little
envelope. Everybody's breathing on it, no

429
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.640
one's got a mask. They took
it to their DNA expert, who happens

430
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.000
to be a bigfoot researcher. I
find that a little too close to the

431
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.559
family. You know, you need
to take that outside. And I kept

432
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.440
thinking, well, they got all
these inconclusives, right, why can't we

433
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.680
just gather all those inconclusives together and
you know, have them worked in a

434
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.759
big pot. And then they were
saying, you can't do that because there's

435
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:34.480
one there's no control. You don't
know how it was gathered, who gathered

436
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.799
it, whether or not they're breathing
on it, all the stuff they can

437
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:42.720
transfer human DNA to it. So
unless you've got a control group, and

438
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.839
the same people, and they were
talking about they only have three guys that

439
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.440
gather it, you know, and
they've got a procedure and they got and

440
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.039
I'm like them, See that's science, not Oh I see some hair on

441
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.440
a tree. It's at nine feet. That's got to be a squatch because

442
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.799
nothing else can get up that high. For folks who may not have heard

443
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.440
the show you're talking about aired,
I think this past week it was Justin

444
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:07.000
and Jay from Cryptid to the Corn
and Justin is a filled biologist and he

445
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.240
was talking about particularly e DNA samples
that they were taking in these large areas

446
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.680
and very much like you said,
they had to go to school for this.

447
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.519
There is a lot of training involved
in collection of DNA. It's not

448
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.000
just I use tweezers, so everything's
good because I didn't touch it. And

449
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:30.119
yeah, yeah, yeah, you
can't breathe on it because your breath there's

450
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.599
droplets of your DNA in your breath
if you if you breathe on a sample,

451
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.240
it's done basically, and that's one
of the things that you mentioned Doug

452
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.559
high Check earlier. Doug was on
a couple of weeks ago. He's doing

453
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.440
the Sasquatch a legend. Meet Science
Too. The kickstarter was fully funded.

454
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.119
I think they hit it eighty five
thousand dollars or something so legid. Meet

455
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.480
Science Too was coming and they've got
a lot of samples of DNA. I

456
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.480
just posted a show as we talked
today. It's Sunday. Jeff from Pine

457
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.079
Island Research was on. Jeff been
on before and shared his encounter story,

458
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.680
pretty compelling story a couple of years
ago on the show, and I had

459
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.440
Jeff back recently because he's written a
book about his experiences and some of his

460
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.199
research, and a couple of the
things that you mentioned. I jotted down

461
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.920
some notes. The color blue came
up and that we'll talk a little bit

462
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.599
about that. Jeff talked about his
research, but we also talked about DNA

463
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:23.039
because he's collected quite a few samples
of what he believes to be the sea

464
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.559
bum, or that white, chalky, kind of oily substance that comes up.

465
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.159
We have sebon ourselves. Human beings
have it, all apes have it.

466
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:35.559
If you've ever been and seeing guerrillas
sometimes in the zoo, they'll have

467
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.719
like these big golf ball sized clumps
of the stuff underneath their armpits, and

468
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:45.760
it's basically this white oily sort of
substance that they secrete naturally, feet and

469
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:50.840
hands, those kind of things.
And he put out part of what Jeff

470
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.239
did with his research. If you
guys listened to the show today, If

471
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.320
not, you can go back and
check it out. It's the Pine Island

472
00:34:54.320 --> 00:35:00.719
Incident show. He talks about how
he tried to do some research by thinking

473
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.079
outside the box. He wasn't out
taking cameras out, he wasn't out putting

474
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.119
up trail cams. He wasn't beating
on the trees and whooping in hollering.

475
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.400
He and Doug came together, Doug
hi chicking. He got together and talked

476
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.320
about some things that they could do
to put out things that might interest a

477
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.039
sasquatch if they were in the area, and try to collect hair samples and

478
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.760
pull some DNA from those. So
Jeff started taking out like these bounty balls

479
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.159
that you get at Walmart for two
bucks, and he would take them out

480
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.039
and throw them in a field and
play with him. You know, he's

481
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.920
eight miles out, he's having to
kayak out into the middle of nowhere,

482
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.119
into these clearings, and he's playing
with this ball and he's kicking it around

483
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.880
and talking to it and laughing in
case something's watching, and he leaves it,

484
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.920
and in some cases it was moved. I think at one point it

485
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.440
got moved eighty five yards from where
he left it, and he collected hair

486
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.760
samples. They were using some material. I don't know if it was velcrow

487
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.199
or what. In some cases he
was doing these things, leaving them out

488
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:58.800
and collecting hair samples, and he
was collecting what looked like see them off

489
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.960
of this ball. And hopefully he's
kind of going back and forth and whether

490
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.880
they're going to test it dear in
the Legend Meet Science documentary, or if

491
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.400
he may be doing it his own, he's doing another project. But I

492
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.719
said all that to say one of
the things you mentioned is it being a

493
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.679
little too close to home. And
I know the way that Doug and Jeff

494
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:21.800
are planning on taking his samples or
whatever Doug has, they're doing it the

495
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:23.760
right way. In my opinion.
They're not going to a lab and saying

496
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.880
here's a check, we want you
to test this and see if it's from

497
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.440
a big foot. At that point
you've lost all credibility. In my opinion,

498
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.960
that's not the way to do it
if you're writing somebody a check and

499
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.679
saying I'd like it, I'd really
like it if you'd find this. You

500
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:38.960
know, by the way, here's
a check for forty grand to do the

501
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.039
test. You know, you'd like
to think that people wouldn't do it,

502
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.679
But are they more likely to find
what you're wanting them to look for?

503
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.960
Versus, Hey, we're just going
to go and give you a sample.

504
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:52.119
We're not going to tell you where
it came from, what it is.

505
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.880
We don't have any dog in the
fight. We just wanted you to test

506
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.840
it and tell us what happens.
So that's sort of the approach to the

507
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.800
DNA they're taking. And I think
it's that's a good approach because I do

508
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:06.000
believe, you know, and I
say this as an outsider, you know,

509
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.599
I'm an armchair quarterback on this,
But science, I think has become

510
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:17.400
a little lazy these days. They're
trying to make their data fit what they

511
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.920
wanted to answer what they're looking for, rather than leading it the other way.

512
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.719
And I'll give you a quick example. A friend of mine and I

513
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.480
granted this is twenty five years ago, local community college, taking physics,

514
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.280
and there's this test where you take
like a coin. It's but it's a

515
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.960
it's a predetermined weighted coin used for
experiments, so it's not like a quarter,

516
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:43.960
so it's gonna be absolutely perfect.
Supposedly you're supposed to flip an x

517
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.039
amount of times and science will or
physics will tell you, you know,

518
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:53.159
there's a certain percentage whatever. Well, my friend wasn't getting that answer,

519
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.639
and the guy it's like, Oh, don't worry about it, because just

520
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:00.519
just write write it down. It's
fine. You should have got this way.

521
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.360
But I didn't get this, So
that could mean there's an imperfection in

522
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.039
this this coin or what we're using. Oh no, no, no,

523
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.400
no, it should come out this
way. Just write it down your pad.

524
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:14.840
And so when you're doing that kind
of stuff, that doesn't help.

525
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.920
And then I wanted to say about
the ball, what I what I listened

526
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.719
to, that what I thought of. There's a place out by Edwards Air

527
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:25.679
Force Base a little further out called
the Cat House, and it's not what

528
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:32.639
you're thinking. It's a rescue or
large cats that most likely were here illegally,

529
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.000
panthers, lions, tigers. I
don't think there's any bears, and

530
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.559
a lot of peacocks, I mean, you talk about things that can make

531
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.239
weird and loud noises. I don't
know if you've ever been around the herd,

532
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.039
a flock us or flocks flock of
these things, and they can leap,

533
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.159
I mean, well leap wud their
feathers coming out up on top of

534
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.400
the buildings. But now I'll get
back to noise that we hear sometimes.

535
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.679
But the big cats were playing with
bowling balls some reason. They're fascinated with

536
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.639
the ball. So I'm taking some
of my when I get time to go

537
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.840
back, some my old bowling balls
that don't use anymore, years old,

538
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:14.440
and they play with them like their
toys. You know, we left the

539
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.559
sixteen pounds. Why I watch that
camp throw this ball. They're like,

540
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.800
you know, and it's over there. So I think I tended to think

541
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.440
of cats playing with that. And
what was the name of the podcast again,

542
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.320
the Cryptids of the Corn podcast.
That was the guys that were on.

543
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.280
That's a great name. Yeah,
I wouldn't say the props to that.

544
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.880
And when I heard that, I'm
like, that is awesome. That's

545
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.079
sometimes it's all in the name.
You know, you might be drawn.

546
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.440
I was drawing sasquatch Honestly, I'm
like, oh, great logo. Yeah

547
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.360
I went there first before some of
the other ones, so um, props

548
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.800
to you. Also, yeah,
it's good stuff. So if we can

549
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:52.000
talk about noises a little bit,
because that's something on this really new episode

550
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.360
of Finding Bigfoot. And of course
when she said she heard something, oh

551
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.880
yeah, people here like whispering and
vocalization all the time. All right,

552
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.360
I have some first hand experience with
something like that. Stay tuned for more

553
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:14.559
Sasquatch outsee wing. Right back after
these messages, I'm out in the middle

554
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:20.920
of the desert in California and we
stopped at this abandoned gas station on the

555
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:25.960
edge of the Mojabbi preserve. I'm
flying my drone and there's tennis shoes thrown

556
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.239
all over the place, over wires, over wherever they could get them to

557
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.280
hang. And I thought I heard
people whispering. I'm thinking I'm having a

558
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.400
paranormal you know. Thing happened to
me right now in the middle of the

559
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.440
day. Yell over to the cameraman
from my show. We were just out

560
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.960
there having fun. Hey do you
hear that? He's like, hear what,

561
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.519
I should come over here. We
just stood there listening, he heard

562
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:57.239
what sounded like whispering. It's gonna
be the air movement through the shoes,

563
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.320
through the building, what's left of
it. I don't believe I was getting

564
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:06.679
a message from the other side,
because nothing is very clear. And I've

565
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.199
heard it now again somewhere else with
a similar type of thing going on.

566
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.679
I think that's just, you know, how the what's I don't know what

567
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.400
the terminees. I always forget it. The mind sees what it wants to

568
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.440
see, all right, We've see
in clouds, we see whatever, right.

569
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.920
I don't think it's far off from
hearing either. You want to believe

570
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.400
Bigfoot's talking me. You want to
believe that they say hey, yeah,

571
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.039
or whatever it was all the time. I think this goes again to I

572
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:39.400
want to believe it I heard something. It must be it verse is because

573
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:44.000
if you really wanted to study that, you just sit down and start recording,

574
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:46.199
and you do it again, and
you do it again. You try

575
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.480
to reproduce this. But I know
it's TV two. They're there for day

576
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.599
or two whatever they're doing. But
they call themselves researchers, the hunting guys.

577
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:58.320
Don't. They're just out there in
a bad one, which it really

578
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.800
I'm fifty fifty. I think you
need the body. But and there it

579
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.840
goes to the DNA. You got
all this stuff, you haven't you eventually

580
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.320
have to have something to compare it
to or you'll never get an answer.

581
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.639
What are you going to do if
you never have a body or the arm

582
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.400
torn off one, or you know, something to drag back to. You

583
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:21.559
weren't finding the grave that they're supposedly
buried in. How are you ever going

584
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:27.679
to compare the DNA? All you'll
get is unknown humanoid ape whatever. Before

585
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.039
we get into the DNA, I
want to talk a little bit more about

586
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.559
the auditory stuff, and there's probably
I haven't looked it up. There's probably

587
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.559
an auditory version of paradolia that you
were talking about seeing what you want to

588
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.199
see and hearing what you want to
hear. But before we get into that,

589
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:43.639
let's talk a little bit about You
brought up the Cira sounds, and

590
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.000
I did that show recently. I
hadn't Ron Moore head on again. We

591
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.719
didn't really talk about the Cira sounds
because we had done that before, but

592
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.639
I had Scott Nelson. The crypto
ling was to broke down those sounds.

593
00:42:53.840 --> 00:43:00.239
And spent months and months analyzing them. What's been decades at this point.

594
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.079
But here's the weird part that most
people don't talk about, and it completely

595
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.440
escapes me. I can't believe.
I think it might have been. Oh,

596
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.519
it was Jeff actually, the one
who from Pine Island Research. He

597
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:14.320
does his own podcast and it's called
Pine Island Research, and he recently had

598
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.320
I believe he had Ron Moore head
on, and Jeff had gotten sort of

599
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:24.800
some inside information about the fact that
there was more to the Sierra Sounds than

600
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.679
what has been released. Because we
know that there's ours, right, because

601
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:32.559
Ron sells these things. I think
there's about ninety minutes or so that he

602
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:37.519
has that he has released out there
in the zeit. Guys, we all

603
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.360
know the three or four minute compilations
that you can look at on YouTube,

604
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.599
and you can even hear some of
them in the opening to my show.

605
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.320
They're commonly used in the bigfoot community, right, and a lot of researchers,

606
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.320
to your point, do actually take
the Sierra Sounds out. I've talked

607
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.639
to researchers who have gotten a lot
of alleged responses by playing those kind of

608
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.800
sound blasting those into the woods.
Instead of doing their own calls. But

609
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:05.199
it came out recently on Jeff Show. Ron Moorehead basically admitted that he has

610
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:07.960
hours and I'm talking, I'm throwing
darts here, but I think it was

611
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:13.679
something like another eighteen hours of recordings
that he has never released that is out

612
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.280
there for yeah, for the Cierra
sounds. So I don't know what's in

613
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:20.000
if anything's ever gonna happen to those. I don't know if Ron's ever going

614
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.079
to release them, or if anybody's
gonna ever get to see them or hear

615
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.320
them. But they're out there,
right, So there's even more out there

616
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.719
in the zeitgeis for people to take
a listen to and take a look at.

617
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.239
But I agree with you with the
sounds. I try to do that

618
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.760
if you approach this subject at all. We have heard really weird things here

619
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.920
on our property. We've heard what
sounds like ohio hows and the distance.

620
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.320
I've heard close vocalizations here near the
property that have scared the crap out of

621
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.880
me. I don't know what they
are, you know, I never have

622
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.239
definitively said ever that it was bigfoot? Could it be sure? Could there

623
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:58.119
be a logical natural explanation. Absolutely, You'll never hear me say anything definitive

624
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.000
unless I know it for a fact. If I see something making that sound,

625
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.559
then I'm going to tell you what
I saw. But other than that,

626
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.000
the definitives go out the window for
me. But I think there is

627
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:13.039
a lot of things that happen that
people have these experiences on these shows or

628
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.719
researchers in general, just out doing
their thing, and they don't necessarily stop

629
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.719
and think, because some people,
unfortunately get bigfoot on the brain and everything

630
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.760
becomes bigfoot, and I don't think
that does anybody a service. Honestly,

631
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.119
I've said that plenty of times.
If you make everything bigfoot, then there's

632
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:32.639
no room for anything else. There's
no room for any discussions about what it

633
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:37.320
could be or could not be.
If it's just a definitive for you,

634
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.760
then we really have nothing to talk
about. As far as the DNA goes,

635
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.719
you know, there's a lot out
there. We've got the Melboy Ketchum

636
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.840
DNA study. I think in twenty
twelve or something like that, she's back

637
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.039
on the radar. I've reached out
to doctor Ketchum multiple times and invited her

638
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:58.079
on the show to talk about her
first study talk about what she has going

639
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.960
on now, and she has politely
declined to come on the show, so

640
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.719
you and I can have a little
bit of that conversation, I guess now

641
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.159
without her. She told me she
wasn't doing any podcast interviews, and then

642
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:12.679
I see at least two interviews that
she did recently, and I was watching

643
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.199
one of them just over the last
couple of days, and I have to

644
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.920
be honest, there's a lot there. You know, I'm not a DNA

645
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.840
expert. I'm not a doctor,
I'm not a PhD. I'm not an

646
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.400
expert on anything related to bigfoot,
right. All of my expertise is in

647
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.840
law enforcement and other things that I've
done previously in my life. You know,

648
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.119
I'm a half decent podcaster, so
I can't even claim to be an

649
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.559
expert podcaster, right. But what
I do know is that a lot of

650
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:45.079
people have a lot of issues with
doctor Ketchum's initial study. And I even

651
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:49.559
heard her talking about on one of
her recent podcast interviews that they made it

652
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.159
through the first round to peer review, and then they didn't make it past

653
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.639
the second round to peer review because
some of the same ones who had passed

654
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.920
it in the first round refused to
either look at it again, and then

655
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.280
they start snowballing, and she starts
talking about government conspiracies and it's the government's

656
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.679
fault that they can't get this peer
reviewed, and they can't get it published.

657
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.320
They had to buy this. It's
just a whole thing, right,

658
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.679
And now she's asking for more money
and raising more money, and the last

659
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.840
time I looked, I think that
we're up to about twenty three thousand dollars

660
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.559
on her go fund me to do
this Dogman DNA study. And the only

661
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.920
thing that comes to mind, outside
of some of the many things that she

662
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.760
said in interviews, that I sort
of scratched my head about it, and

663
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.239
again, I would love to give
her the opportunity to come on and talk

664
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.679
about firsthand and maybe defend her position
on the show. But without that,

665
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:38.719
I'm only left to draw my own
conclusions. And some of the things that

666
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.599
she says, it's pretty out there, because she talks in definitives about sasquatch

667
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.000
is absolutely one percent real. There
are millions of them around the world.

668
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.320
In her first study, she's obviously
did the mitochondrial DNA and it's human female

669
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:57.719
and the unknown contributor for the male
part of it. She thinks these things

670
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.960
are genetically engineered. She doesn't think
they're natural creatures. And same thing with

671
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.760
dog Man, because she claims to
have what she knows to be samples from

672
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.639
dog Man that she can't wait to
test. So there's a lot of definitives

673
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:15.119
there, right. I know this. I know that, yet nothing has

674
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:20.920
been proven scientifically outside of the fact
that you tested DNA that was had mitochondrial

675
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:28.320
DNA was female human female, and
then something else. So that's all we

676
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.719
really know. And back to your
point, I said of that, I

677
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.079
was a long way to get there, But I said all that to say

678
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.519
to your point, that's the problem
I have with anybody really testing DNA of

679
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:46.039
some unknown species or crypted because without
a comparison sample of a known entity,

680
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.400
how do you ever say definitively that
what you have is X and not something

681
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:57.440
else? Right, I just don't
know where you go from that with DNA.

682
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.000
And how do you know that you
know if you've out the money chondrial

683
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:07.559
eve if you will, and it's
an unknown male contributor, I would guess

684
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:15.360
that many scientists I would say you've
got a contaminated male portion of the DNA,

685
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.800
and leave it at that. But
you know when you said it went

686
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.360
through peer review, if I was
reading it right, her first peer review

687
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:30.360
was questioned because I think it's the
De Novo fiasco. It's called because the

688
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.519
group that was peer reviewing it was
a group she started as a group to

689
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.559
do the peer review. Are you
familiar with that? I have heard some

690
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.880
rumblings about that, and when you
sent that to me today, I sort

691
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.360
of looked at it. What I've
heard doctor Ketchum say in the past is

692
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:52.039
they eventually had to buy the entity
and I don't know, I can't it's

693
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.559
escaping me right now. I can't
think of the word. I was trying

694
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.679
to say the word earlier. The
God, it's going to drive me crazy.

695
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.760
They ended up having to buy the
place where the review came from.

696
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.719
Oh my god, I'm gonna have
to I'm sorry, folks, I have

697
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.519
to google it and put it in
the intro the journal. Yes, thank

698
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:12.840
you. Oh my god. I
can't believe. It's like complete brain fart.

699
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:15.320
It was. I could not.
But they ended up having to buy

700
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.960
the journal to eventually be able to
get the peer reviews. They had to

701
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.920
buy it because they wouldn't give them
the peer reviews until they bought the journal,

702
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:25.360
So a lot of people kind of
throw that stone, and I don't

703
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:31.000
necessarily think that's accurate, because it
was a separate entity when the peer review

704
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.519
started, and then when they didn't
get passed or they refused to do the

705
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.800
second round, they ended up purchasing
the journal just according to doctor Ketchum,

706
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.599
get access to all of the material
that they refused to release. So they

707
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:45.920
just bought it. And a lot
of people say, you know, it's

708
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.199
kind of hanky. You can't own
the same thing that you know. It's

709
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.920
supposed to be a separate entity.
That's keeping you honest, so to speak.

710
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.159
But I don't think that's necessarily accurate. I think it was the way

711
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:00.280
that she said they had to buy
the journal after the fact. But let's

712
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.800
just lay all of that aside and
just go back again to like you said,

713
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.559
her answer to that, I've heard
that everybody says it's contamination. No,

714
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.239
it's not contamination. We have proof
it's not contamination. None of the

715
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.239
samples were contaminated. Okay, well, I haven't seen the proof. It

716
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.000
may exist. I mean, she
claims a lot of stuffs on her website.

717
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.679
I haven't read through all of that. So if it's there, so

718
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.199
be it. I'll take a look
at it. But just saying something doesn't

719
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:30.920
necessarily make it true. Right,
So how are these samples collected if she

720
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:36.360
didn't go out and collect these samples
herself and you, unless you have a

721
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.239
really good chain of custody, it's
very difficult to say definitively that there was

722
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.360
not a chance for some contamination.
Maybe it didn't getting contaminated by her or

723
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.760
her people are in the lab,
but what about before it got to you?

724
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:54.559
So and again we're talking about bigfoot
and DNA, we're talking about dog

725
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.480
man DNA. We're talking about things
that aren't supposed to exist. Yet she's

726
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.480
very definitive in the fact that they
do because a she claims she proved it

727
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:09.079
with her first round to studies with
the genome project and the bigfoot DNA and

728
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:14.239
the hair sample. They've supposedly got
hair samples from these things. And she

729
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:20.039
says that sasquatch hair doesn't produce DNA
in the shaft like every other mammal on

730
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.199
vertebrate animal on mammal on Earth.
It does in the shaft, or it

731
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:27.960
does in the root, but not
in the hair. Shaft itself, and

732
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.599
she says that she unique to sasquatch. Again, how do you know that

733
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:37.760
convenient? I'm very convenient exactly.
So well, let me ask you when

734
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.480
you were in the force. Were
they collecting DNA yet? Oh yeah,

735
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.920
yeah, I left there in twenty
sixteen, So okay, all right,

736
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:52.320
so yeah, fairly new. If
I understand DNA collection somewhat even a smidge

737
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:58.360
correctly, the people who are collecting
are also in the database, so they

738
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:04.119
can separate them. This is known
and just in case they do contaminate it,

739
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.800
and anybody who may have been in
let's say a murder room, they'd

740
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.199
walked into the let's say you were
the responding officer, either your DNA's on

741
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.440
file, or they might take a
sample for you. Because you were initially

742
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:20.880
they're not knowing what you're coming into. You could have possibly, you know,

743
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.760
left cells contaminated the scene. They
want to eliminate you. That is

744
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:29.840
somewhat how that works today in modern
police work. Right, It's possible we

745
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.280
didn't do that as a department.
You know, I don't know that,

746
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:37.760
and I'm not one hundred percent sure. The Denbo things seemed kind of squirrely

747
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.039
and like you said they had to
buy it to get an answer, which

748
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.199
almost says seems like a pay to
play type of thing. But you know,

749
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:50.039
it raises questions on credibility, and
she may be totally sincere. But

750
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.559
again, like say, if you
don't have a sample to compare to and

751
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.719
Sasquatch, I can get behind far
more than Dogman, mixture of dog Man,

752
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.679
right, you might as well have
senatars and you know, mermaids.

753
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.480
It's just that goes into the hi
and alien theory with hybrids and mixing.

754
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.920
It's like if she believes Bigfoot was
engineered by home, is just now going

755
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.559
into the alien side of the Bigfoot
and myth. Well here's the thing.

756
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:14.840
Yeah, you gotta say, well, who's engineering it? You know,

757
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.639
from what I've heard her say,
she believes that Bigfoot is a hybrid.

758
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:22.559
She believes that Dogman is a hybrid, and she claims to know exactly what

759
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.840
both are and where they come from. But that's only going to come out

760
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:30.239
after the new study's done. And
again that's one of the issues that I

761
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.320
really have here, is if you're
in this, in my opinion, for

762
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.800
the right reasons, and you're trying
to bring answers to the subject. Why

763
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.199
is it that you're holding out this
information? I mean, she did this

764
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:44.719
study in twenty twelve, and if
you have all this definitive information about Bigfoot,

765
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.760
why didn't it come out then?
Why hasn't it come out in the

766
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.760
last eleven years or so? Why
do we have to wait for another round

767
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:53.519
of funding. Why do you have
to do more testing on what you claim

768
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:58.840
to be dogman DNA and go back
and take a look at some other stuff

769
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.320
as far as the Bigfoot DNA is
concerned, and then you're going to give

770
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.400
us all the answers. I just
I don't like that kind of situation,

771
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:09.159
because if you're a scientist and you're
doing this for the scientific reasons that you

772
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.800
say you are, just give us
the information. Just put the information out

773
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.360
there for everybody to see what's in
it. For holding it for over a

774
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:21.920
decade and then having to raise another
round of funding to go do more DNA

775
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.920
testing on some other cryptid to then
say, oh, well, now I

776
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.719
can tell you what Bigfoot is,
and I'll also tell you what dog Man

777
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.599
is, but only after we complete
our funding. Like that, it just

778
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.800
desiates he would narrow in if she
could prove one, let's say Bigfoot and

779
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:42.760
she I mean if it was proved
one even ninety eight, you know,

780
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.559
I think some people would be like, oh wow, this is you know,

781
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.920
we're we got to be looking into
this. Then move on and people

782
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.280
are going to give you funding if
you can prove the one. Let's not

783
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.760
mix it all together. Even the
guy that was raising the money for this

784
00:55:54.880 --> 00:56:00.800
second documentary he left, he teased
a little bit like that too. I

785
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.360
can't tell you other people have been
jumping in on my research or trying to

786
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.039
beat me to this. Beat me. I mean even that sometimes I was

787
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:12.519
like, not again, how many
times if I watched a UFO show or

788
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.880
a big Foot show. You know, Bobo is just describing his twenty five

789
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.480
year ago if as first sighting through
a night vision scope, I could be

790
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.199
a guy of Gilly suit. I
mean, seriously, at the distance he

791
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:28.440
was at, he's trying to give
perspective on size. He doesn't know.

792
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.760
He didn't go down there to see
what the size of the trees or the

793
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.719
bushes and whatever. I really,
you know, I've looked through night vision

794
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:38.000
scopes. It's good, but especially
twenty five years ago, not like the

795
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.840
guys have today in the field and
I've been taken. I've even taken photos

796
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.000
on my digital SLR through a night
scope and got a halfway decent photo.

797
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.519
But you know, could you tell
me what antelope that was I was shooting

798
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.440
or what deer I was shooting?
No, but you know a basic shape

799
00:56:54.440 --> 00:57:00.280
of a type of animal. Well
when big footing manner kind of close except

800
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:04.199
for maybe the length of the arms
and the descriptions they always talk about the

801
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.480
neck goes into the shoulders. Well, how do they know that they're so

802
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.159
covered with hair? How do they
know there's no neck there? You know?

803
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.639
Because it's just I mean, I've
seen some guys there's some pretty big

804
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:19.920
hair and long hair, big beards, can't see their neck. I can

805
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.960
make the same claim on a good
old boy down south getting gaiters. Not

806
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:29.199
to throw aspersions at you guys in
the South. But you know, a

807
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:34.079
lot of these things aren't definitive enough, you know, and you can't reproduce.

808
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.920
What it drives me crazy is like
you say, the absolutes and with

809
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:40.159
the DNA thing, I absolutely got
it, but there's no proof. I

810
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:44.480
mean, can you imagine the mark
you'd make on history? You know,

811
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:49.280
Jane Goodall, wait for twenty years
before she released her information the doctor Fossa

812
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.840
because I can't remember her first Diane. Diane maybe wait to release information.

813
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.920
I mean, she's writing it down, she's getting it out. It just

814
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.880
doesn't make sense now she might have
way to the year or two. But

815
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:05.199
we're talking how long has this been
in twenty twelve, so we're in eleven

816
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:08.360
years. I know science isn't fast. I know DNA isn't fast, but

817
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:13.760
it's getting faster and faster where they
can get stuff quickly. What has taken

818
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:17.800
so long? And again, you
know, I hope that she's able to

819
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.599
do this, and I hope she's
able to prove the species would be awesome,

820
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:25.079
but I think what it does,
in my opinion, is, you

821
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.760
know, my show is all about
encounters, and I've said it so many

822
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.199
times recently, I've gotten a little
perturbed with people who have come on the

823
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.039
show and made some really fantastical claims, because here's the thing. If you

824
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.079
come on my show and you share
your encounter story, nobody's going to beat

825
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.559
you up. It's not what it's
about. You know. I don't have

826
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.159
people on the show that don't believe
they experience what they experience and people want

827
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.639
to hear those stories. And I
believe that those stories are data to be

828
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.079
put into the database and we can
draw from and make our own conclusions.

829
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.039
And nobody who comes on my show
and says I had an experience where this

830
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:01.280
thing walked up and did X Y
Z, or it came across the road

831
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:05.320
while I was driving by, or
whatever the case may be. Anybody,

832
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.840
I could go out tomorrow, Greg, you could go out tomorrow and have

833
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.559
a very similar experience with something you
can't explain. Right, But I tell

834
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:15.920
you when you have these fantastical claims
and again, not to go. I

835
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.280
will go back to doctor Ketchen one
last time. You know, in this

836
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.199
recent interview, she was going on
with the person who was interviewing her about

837
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:25.760
all these experiences she's had with Bigfoot
and the things that they've left her on

838
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:30.599
her property and how they've torn up
her pecan trees, and you know,

839
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.320
she's interacted with a clan of ten
that she's seen multiple times. And I'm

840
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.559
like, where is the evidence for
any of this? And of course she

841
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:42.440
says, I have evidence. I
have pictures, and I have all these

842
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.719
things that they've given me that'll come
out later. I'll put that out later,

843
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:50.679
and again it's just one of those
things where the more fantastical the claims

844
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:52.599
that you're making. If you're saying, if you're one of these people that

845
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:57.119
are saying, I can take you
out and show you ten bigfoot tomorrow,

846
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.239
and I know every one of their
names, and I've grown up with them,

847
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:04.679
and I've watched them birth their children, and we have this fantastic relationship,

848
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:10.320
and yet you present no evidence to
corroborate what you're saying. You know,

849
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:15.280
my question to you is where is
it? Why is there no evidence?

850
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.519
And everybody has an experience and everybody
has their reasons behind it. You've

851
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.039
heard thought to catch them say I
don't go in the I don't take cameras

852
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.280
out in the woods. That's not
what I do, that kind of thing.

853
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:30.679
Conveniently, there's no evidence to collaborate
these fantastical claims. And I just

854
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:36.239
honest is a scientist. Why wouldn't
you stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey will

855
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:43.519
be right back after these messages.
Yeah, if you're just Joe Schmo,

856
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.840
who's going out to you know,
enjoy some time in the woods, and

857
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.920
maybe you don't have your celf on
with you and you haven't experience. Okay,

858
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.679
I can let that slide. But
if you're a scientist and you want

859
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.079
to be taken seriously as a scientist
and APPROACHSS scientifically, I think you have

860
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.960
to do something and put a good
faith foot forward to say I'm at least

861
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:05.119
going to present something, because I
think if you did that and you don't

862
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.960
just talking all these absolutes and I
know this for a fact kind of thing,

863
01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:12.519
people would tend to take you a
little bit more seriously. And I

864
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:14.760
think that's at the end of the
day. That's sort of the rub for

865
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.679
me with most all of this stuff, outside of the anecdotal experiences, and

866
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:22.000
again there's some of those that are
really fantastical that you know, I scratch

867
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.760
my head and I say, gosh, you know, that's kind of difficult

868
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:29.199
to believe. But if it is
your experience, then that's what it is.

869
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.480
But when you go into this habituation, and you know, I know

870
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:36.440
this for a fact, there's a
clan of ten of them that visit the

871
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.119
property and oh, by the way, I've got all their DNA and I

872
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:43.400
know exactly where they came from and
their hybrids and they're engineered by whomever.

873
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.000
Maybe it's ancient aliens or whatever the
case may be, that has far greater

874
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:51.400
technology than we've ever had. That
kind of thing, I think is how

875
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:53.199
she's put it. You just kind
of lose me there in the weeds because

876
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.280
there are people out and you put
doctor Meldrum on your notes, and I'll

877
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:00.159
bring doctor Meldram up. There's a
lot of pep who have issues with him

878
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:05.760
for whatever reason, you know,
they don't necessarily agree with his synopsis on

879
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.480
whatever. But I've talked to the
man a couple of times, and he

880
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:15.320
knows his stuff. He is a
PhD. He studies human and bipedal locomotion,

881
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.960
and he can break down the morphology
of anything's foot if it's bipedal,

882
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.400
he can break it down for you
case by case. And I have talked

883
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:28.599
to him about the Patterson Gimblin film, for example, and that he has

884
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:31.400
examined those cast of those footprints that
were taking that day, because it's not

885
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.519
just the film, it is the
casting of the feet as well. He

886
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.519
set it on my show. I
am as certain as if I were standing

887
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:43.800
on that sandbar when that film was
made, that that is a real sasquatch

888
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:49.079
walking across that based on what I
have examined in the morphology of that particular

889
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:52.679
animal's foot. That's a very scientific
approach from me. He doesn't say that

890
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.760
lightly, and he can back it
up with the science of wine. He

891
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.960
can take a foot, a skeleton
of a foot, and break it down

892
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.920
for you and talk through that.
That is a scientific approach to this.

893
01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:08.119
And he has staked his claims on
it for years, and he's put himself

894
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:12.000
out there for it. He has
been beaten up. He almost lost ten

895
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:15.840
year because of it, and he
continues to go around to this very day

896
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:20.480
and defend his position on anything you
ask him about. He'll defend his position

897
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.199
scientifically and give her a reason.
And if he can't, he'll say I

898
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.639
can't. But anybody that claims to
be a scientist and doesn't approach it the

899
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.360
same way that Meldrum does, I
tend not to listen to the same way

900
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:36.000
that I listen. Yeah, you
know what I'm saying. I'm with you

901
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:37.400
there, and I've seen him over
the years, and you know, a

902
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:44.800
lot of different types of shows,
and he does bring that air of scientific

903
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:51.679
knowledge, you know, to me
that gives some credibility. He's not conveniently

904
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:57.760
living in a place where they're presenting
themselves to him. And he's also a

905
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.920
researcher. That's where some of the
credit ability with some others that we've been

906
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:06.760
talking about. How convenient is that
people are bringing stuff to him. He'll

907
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:11.960
go out and research, but he
breaks it down. I think unjustly,

908
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:19.679
doctor Ketchum has been criticized because her
PhD is in veterinary sciences. It's still

909
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:24.480
a PhD, and you don't get
that lightly, and it's still back to

910
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:29.159
a science, and there's still anatomy. There's still a lot of things that

911
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.880
most of us will be, you
know. So that gives her to me

912
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.639
credibility. Whether or not she's a
research scientist, that's something else. And

913
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:40.440
there are those who that's all they
do is research. They never go in

914
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:44.039
the field. They just got numbers, they look at data. I prefer

915
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.360
the person that gets dirty, gets
out there and looks and touches. That's

916
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.559
my kind of scientist guy. So
I give I gotta give her. I

917
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:55.719
think props on that not everybody gets
one lightly, But I do find some

918
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:59.079
of the things convenient. You know, dur in my backyard, you know,

919
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:01.559
you got a great UFO showing your
other one paranormal, one long drive.

920
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.039
I'm listening is that this is great. I'm really believing it. And

921
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.119
then this woman made a big left
turn and I think I emailed you once

922
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:13.639
before. And that's where these stories
are compelling. But then sometimes they break

923
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:17.960
that air of maybe you're so close
and then who you know? Government conspiracy

924
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.880
or and that's not that those aren't
out there and sometimes are real, but

925
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:29.760
that's when you, you know,
when you base a lot of your findings

926
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.719
on that, and then I have
to hide certain things. I don't know

927
01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:36.440
if it's your show. Somebody was
saying that the government knows what it is.

928
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:41.119
They've got them they you know,
it's well, you know, quite

929
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.400
honestly, you know, the government
can't tell me what the weather is going

930
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:46.159
to be tomorrow, but yet they
want to tell us what global warming is

931
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.400
could be like in twenty years whatever. They've been wrong for the last twenty

932
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:56.199
thirty years. And I supposed to
believe that they they know bigfoots here,

933
01:05:56.599 --> 01:05:59.400
or they're following them, or they're
doing whatever. I just that's when I

934
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.239
lose a little bit of credibility.
The government is not always a big bad

935
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:05.239
boogeyman that knows everything. I mean, quite honestly, I think half the

936
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.800
government doesn't even know what the other
half is doing. Most of the time,

937
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:13.519
they're still disconnected. They're so confused
themselves sometimes. Yeah, can we

938
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:15.400
talk about some of the funny names
that big foots are called? I found

939
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.199
three, there's more, the wood
booger when I heard this the other days

940
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.320
out of Virginia, not far up
the road from you. Have you ever

941
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:28.000
heard that term before, wood boogers? Yes? I have you. What

942
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:30.760
do you call sasquatch in North Carolina? Is it just sasquatch? Yeah?

943
01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.519
Everybody says sasquats your big foot here? No, okay, okay, And

944
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:38.320
of course you had the sasquatch.
Those are big Foot's kind of the normal

945
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.480
thing. But when I heard wood
boogers, I started to break up laughing.

946
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:43.400
I'm like, I'm tapping that into
my notes, wood, But how

947
01:06:43.400 --> 01:06:46.880
do you spell wood boogers as the
funniest things? Now, there's something I

948
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.480
really did, really want to talk
about. Let me knock some of these

949
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.920
out. We still got the list. I've been checking them off. And

950
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:56.199
then some of this goes back to
finding big Foot, but it carries again

951
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:58.280
into a lot of the other shows
and I go back. I mean,

952
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:02.360
my first time I think all the
PG film was on The lenarn Emoy Show

953
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.599
in Search of and then we had
Charity of the God Movies when I was

954
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:08.840
a kid. A lot of this
stuff that I'm like, this is really

955
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:10.840
cool. Don't know if it's real, but this is cool, you know

956
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:15.199
lock That's all this. But some
of the stuff I've heard cross some of

957
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:20.119
these programs. Bigfoots are attracted to
women. I've heard that what evidence or

958
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:25.000
raves. They're gonna do a rave
because they know Bigfoots attracted to it,

959
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:30.199
or they're gonna shoot off the fireworks
because they're curious people. They're gonna come

960
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.119
in and look. Quite honestly,
if I was a wild ape man,

961
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:38.679
I think I'd be going as far
away from big explosions and crap like that

962
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:44.719
personally. But the one thing I've
heard on multiple shows now is proof of

963
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.320
the PG film and to disprove the
guy that came and said I wore the

964
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:53.599
costume, I'm the guy that walked. I made the impressions. Is that

965
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:58.440
Planet of the Apes which came out
in sixty eight or not, probably a

966
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.599
film at sixty eight thinking came out
sixty nine that that was the epitome of

967
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:08.679
costume design and they couldn't do what
was in the PG film. But you

968
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:14.480
know, that's a pretty broad statement
because one the film wasn't intending to make

969
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:19.199
a Bigfoot. They were intending to
really vary from the original book if you've

970
01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:24.640
ever read Planet of the Apes,
to look kind of like us, but

971
01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:29.399
apes, they're in societies, they're
wearing clothes. Of course, it doesn't

972
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.760
look like that they're making more of
a I mean, their faces are very

973
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:39.439
similar to chimpanzees and guerrillas rangutans.
But of course, like I mentioned earlier,

974
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:42.239
the Bigfoot looked like about the eyes
or the only thing you see and

975
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:46.479
everything else's is big fur. So
to say they couldn't do it. Also,

976
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.000
you go to the second film,
there's a sauna scene, which is

977
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:57.399
kind of hilarious on the thought of
them sitting in a sauna. Most people

978
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:01.000
probably have never seen either one of
these first two films in their entirety.

979
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.960
They probably seen them on TV because
most of the people here talking about him

980
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:09.600
they're in their twenties. I saw
the first one in the theater only because

981
01:09:09.640 --> 01:09:12.920
we were seeing the second one a
little too young to see that. I'm

982
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.520
sixty three. Parents probably would you
know? What would I known at three

983
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:17.760
or four years later? Right?
But at the time the next one came

984
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:23.319
out, and then I love these
films. I really don't think. I

985
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.720
didn't know for years because I didn't
remember. There's a scene. There's a

986
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:32.279
hunting scene in the first one where
they've got humans men hanging by their feet,

987
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:36.800
hanging across, you know, carrying
them on sticks like they've just they've

988
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:41.600
been out on a hunt. They're
taking pictures with their kills. That's always

989
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:45.079
been edited out of the TV version. I've never seen in a TV version,

990
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.119
So I think there's a lot of
assumptions here, and again the assumption

991
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:55.840
that they couldn't make this costume,
and I disagree. I know there's a

992
01:09:55.880 --> 01:10:00.359
guy and he was on this Finding
big Foot show in the fiftieth anniversary whatever,

993
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:05.199
who's done some research on the film. He took a few frames.

994
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:10.760
I guess there was only three known
copies, first generation copies. I thought

995
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:14.520
the wife still had the original because
I couldn't even tell you what show was.

996
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.199
Some research guy they got permission to
go to her house. He built

997
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:24.000
a rig for his camera and duplicated
the film frame by frame, because most

998
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:28.520
of what most of us have seen
has been duplicates of duplicates of duplicates,

999
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:33.199
very degenerated film. And if anybody
doesn't get it because they've never had to

1000
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:39.000
experience duplicating BHS or film, and
how it can degrade copy after copy,

1001
01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:43.880
especially when you copy the copy.
Go see multiplicity with the original Batman that.

1002
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:45.800
I'll tell you what happens when you
get multiple copies down the road,

1003
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:50.399
right, And that film looked entirely
different once I saw a first generation copy

1004
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:54.560
done and high. You know,
he did it on a digital SLR,

1005
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:58.039
so it was a much higher resolution
than the original film. But this guy

1006
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:02.279
says, oh wow, we found
a fourth first generation copy in a bunch

1007
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.720
of boxes that was in his stuff
or something like that. I forgot the

1008
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:12.840
exact details. So he's doing what
essentially his HDR what now your phone does

1009
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:17.960
or your TV does. By software
and photography. I used to do it

1010
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:24.960
by multiple exposing off of a tripod
at different levels. You combine it like

1011
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.479
in Photoshop or something, and you
can get the really lows and the highs.

1012
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:30.479
You blend them all together, And
essentially that's what he did with a

1013
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:35.960
couple of frames of the film and
the image of I forgot what they call

1014
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:40.359
her because they're assuming she's a female, which maybe the guy's just out of

1015
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:44.000
shape. I don't know, maybe
he's got some he needs a man's ear.

1016
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.640
And it looked one hundred percent better. Still grainy, but it made

1017
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.239
the edges pop out. It was
kind of cool to see. But did

1018
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:55.319
it really change anything. No,
some of the things they say they see

1019
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.079
like muscletr stuff like that. I
don't know. The film is great,

1020
01:11:59.279 --> 01:12:02.479
but sometimes I wonder is that a
suit? I really do? I want

1021
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:08.119
to believe it's real. I sincerely
want to believe it's real. But something

1022
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:11.960
in the back of my mind says
no. But I'm like ninety eight,

1023
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:15.960
Yeah, I'm going to accept it. But I can't accept what these young

1024
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:18.279
uns are saying that Hollywood and couldn't
have done that too, because I really

1025
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:23.600
think they could now do these two
had the budget or known anybody that could

1026
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:26.119
make that suit for them. No, because anything you would have bought off

1027
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:30.079
the shelf would have looked like that
stupid gorilla. And what was that movie

1028
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:34.600
with you talking about brain fart Eddie
Murphy, you know, trading places.

1029
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:39.159
I remember the gorilla at the end. You know, it's like really bad

1030
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:43.960
costume on Jim Belushi. That's about
all those commercially available. So the thought

1031
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:46.520
that these guys could get a hold
of something at that level is that's pretty

1032
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:49.399
slim. So that gives me a
little bit more credibility. But I can't

1033
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:55.880
believe that they write this off based
off a sci fi film that wasn't intending

1034
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:58.520
to try to give that kind of
texture and malt and stuff. But if

1035
01:12:58.520 --> 01:13:00.279
you go look at the one that
where they're in the sauna, I mean

1036
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.159
you can kind of tell there's a
chess plate for the you know this part

1037
01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:06.199
where it's no hair on it,
Yeah, you could kind of tell it's

1038
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:11.239
a leg going in maybe you know
he's wearing a pant. That's Harry that

1039
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:14.199
they needed to go to a higher
level. There was no need to in

1040
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.000
those films. I mean, their
face makeup was enough as outstanding anyways.

1041
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:20.399
That's I just I just want to
get that out there because I've heard three

1042
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:27.159
shows I think lately mentioned using Planet
of the Apes movie is a definitive reason

1043
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.720
to prove the PG film and I
don't think you can do that. Those

1044
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.000
guys had rifles. They should have
shot the damn thing right there and ended

1045
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:38.479
the discussion back then. But you
know, our sensibilities of hunting were a

1046
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:42.039
little different than it is today.
You would have shot it, it would

1047
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.439
have been done. Well, there's
a whole another rat hole we could go

1048
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:45.720
down. I think M. K. Davis has claimed that there was a

1049
01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.640
massacre that day, but we're not
going to go into that tonight. For

1050
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.399
sure. I have not heard that
one. You'll have to maybe we'll have

1051
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.880
to come back and talk about that
at some point in time. But I

1052
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.479
agree with you, man, I
think there's I'm about you know, it's

1053
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:01.880
fifty fifty for me. Sometimes on
the Patterson Ghilan film, sometimes I'm eighty

1054
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.880
twenty. I want to believe more
than anything in the world. But there's

1055
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:09.319
something that just has been gnawing that
says, oh, man, that could

1056
01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:13.560
the lizard brain going. It could
be the guy in the suit. I

1057
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.319
don't know, but the mystery continues. There's obviously a lot of things that

1058
01:14:16.520 --> 01:14:19.479
pistol us off about Bigfoot, but
we keep coming back to the well and

1059
01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.520
we definitely addressed a lot of those
tonight, and I'm sure that people are

1060
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:26.319
going to listen to this and probably
say, yeah, I've had some of

1061
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:28.920
the same issues with some of this
stuff. You know, It's one of

1062
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:31.239
those things where I'm with you.
I think it's going to take a body

1063
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.439
that somebody's going to drag in and
say, definitively, here's one science.

1064
01:14:35.520 --> 01:14:39.960
Go to town figure out what it
is. They'll probably want to to make

1065
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:44.399
sure just to finalize that this is
what it's it's supposed to be whatever.

1066
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:45.840
But at the end of the day, I think we all keep coming back

1067
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.720
because it's a fascinating subject and I
really want the answers it really is.

1068
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:54.359
I'm sorry, I forget if this
cuts each other off. I'm just gonna,

1069
01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:58.640
you know, get excited and responding. But just think you're one of

1070
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:01.319
your revenues of income would go away. It was proved. I mean,

1071
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.680
quite honestly, there's an industry.
Nothing against your podcast because I love it,

1072
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.239
but you know, there is an
industry to keep this, this mystery

1073
01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:12.319
alive. I mean, look,
I've got the T shirts. I showed

1074
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:15.600
you what I got for my birthday, very cool sculpture of bigfoot. I

1075
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:21.439
love the genre so fun and cool
because it's it is believable. It's not

1076
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:26.720
so dog man. To me,
it's not half man half. I can't

1077
01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:30.960
get into that one. I'm more
I could go down skin walkers because there's

1078
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:34.119
a mystery paranormal thing about I could
get more down that line. But the

1079
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:38.439
Highbreds you know, can't really go
there. But to me, I don't

1080
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:41.640
look as big Foot is necessarily having
to be a hybrid. It could be

1081
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.680
like you know what mammoth is to
elephant, human to an abe. I

1082
01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.079
think it's believable, and there's so
much out there, and like, oh,

1083
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:53.560
I think I started, I didn't
finish it. Us say suburbia dwellers

1084
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:58.079
who never get beyond you know,
maybe one hundred miles of their home.

1085
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:02.800
I've never seen how that asked and
wild and open this country is, it's

1086
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:08.439
amazing easily I think it could hold
a small population. I don't know.

1087
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:13.319
The Bigfoot guys of the BFRL thinks
there's two to six thousand in North America.

1088
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:15.600
And again let he base that off
of where's the science behind that?

1089
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:18.760
I just want to know. I
mean, if you can give me a

1090
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:23.800
definitive, real reason why I should
believe why electronics don't work around and why

1091
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:27.880
they like girls, why they like
a Ray, I'd be all in on

1092
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.720
it, and I might even go
meet you up there. I'd quite honestly,

1093
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:32.520
I'd like to go squatching, But
I don't think my thirty eight's going

1094
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:36.479
to protect me from the cougar,
the bear. There's so much out there

1095
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:42.119
that I'm not equipped and never been
trained to handle or be aware of what

1096
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.560
to look for. You know,
you know, living in a place like

1097
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:47.479
you do on the edge of the
woods might creep me out a little bit.

1098
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:50.800
And I say, you hear weird
noises. Yeah, it's a scary

1099
01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:54.640
world out there, you know you
live kind of on the edge of it.

1100
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:58.000
Well. As always, Greg,
it's been great man, Greg from

1101
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.159
the American Landscape you guys got out
on YouTube. He's got some great stuff

1102
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.359
over there, and we'll certainly have
to have you back from more discussions.

1103
01:17:04.399 --> 01:17:09.640
Man, it's always good. I's
good. I'd love to. They say

1104
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:18.439
you don't wantta go home, but
you can't stay here. I don't want

1105
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:50.079
to be world out time, this
job, that time, everything coming right,

1106
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:58.239
baby, joy for me. I
need to stay right. I'm coming

1107
01:17:58.479 --> 01:19:11.479
right away. Time. Consus usssssss
used to us ens