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Welcome to the one hundred and forty
fifth episode of the Supernatural Occurrent Studies podcast

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So Damn Paranormal. My name is
Jason Knight, host of the show,

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and with me, as always is
Oscar Spector, producer extraordinaire and podcast co

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host. Listeners, If you'd like
to skip our intro, go to the

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show notes. There'll be a timestamp
there waiting for you to get you to

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the topic and it will lead you
right back to here. That's right.

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Listen to the intro. Yeah,
listen to the intros. Damn it.

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Yeah, yeah, you know you
love us. You want to know what's

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going on in our lives. Creepers, we're not. We're insulting that for

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listening to the intro, I think
I think this is mixed messaging going on

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here. Yeah, that was a
little well, what are you gonna do?

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It's not like a like a comet, like a like an abusive parent.

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Oh that's a that's the abusive,
manipulative stuff you're doing there, just

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saying just saying, I'm sorry,
I saw sharp objects. This is bad.

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How are you doing? Okay?
But coming off you know, busy

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week, very busy week at work, boring stuff, although I did.

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I did start a project. I
don't know if I should mention it here.

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Yeah, I'll mention it here.
You did jazz hands as as you

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did. It was a project chance. Yeah, there you go. So

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I started a Halloween project Oscar hmmm. And I am building early, yes,

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starting early because it's gonna take a
lot of work. But I'm building

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a life size movie, accurate.
Jason Vorhees from Friday the Thirteenth, Part

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four, the Final Chapter and okay, yes it wasn't the final chapter it

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was supposed to be. But so
bad. Then later when movies call themselves

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when the titles have the word last
or final, yep, because if it's

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not, you're fucking it up.
You know. Well that's right, because

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like a year later they came out
with the New Beginning, So there you

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go. Yeah, well yeah,
in recent history, like The Last Sexism,

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right, I thought it was a
fine movie. They made a part

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two? How is it the Last
Sexism? As terrible title? Now it

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really is ruined that movie for me. Sorry, continue, No, that's

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awesome, by the way, guys, yeah, yeah, oh, thank

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you. Yeah, And that's kind
of what the way this you know,

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Friday thirteenth Part four is the final
chap kind of the same thing, but

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it did and it went on for
what another six I believe at least at

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least but yeah, life size movie
accurate. Jason Voorhees from my front lawn

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for Halloween. Uh, and I'm
actually chronicling the build kind of a video

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journal for Patreon and I'll release sometime
in October as an extra bonus for October

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on Patreon, the build of this
thing. But it's gonna be It's gonna

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be cool. I'm really excited,
and I know how crazy you are,

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so I don't he'll look nice.
I'm sure. Thanks not to add more

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pressure, but because I know how
people are like that sometimes, like oh

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man, I can't wait for that, Like shit, no, I really

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got to do it right, you
know, it's very right. So I'm

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excited about this cool. How are
you gonna make him lafe size? Right?

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So? How tall is Jason warhiz
oh taller than me? Ever every

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week he's especially as the movies progress, he gets really ogrish. Uh really

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yeah, I mean both actors play
him and yeah, right and stuff.

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So part four then, how how
tall is he? In Part four?

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I would say he's got to be
at least six six sixty seven. That's

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what I'm guessing. And as I
assume that's that's how's all you're gonna make.

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Yeah, so he's part of a
mannequin. I have to modify some

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things on the mannequin to get it
the size I need. But I'll chronicle

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that whole thing for Patreon. Yeah, put lifts on them and sad lips

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and eyelashes. No, I mean
lifts like you know, the lips.

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No, no, no, lifts
to make them tall. We'll talk about

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tall and uh, you know,
to elevate his stature or like just put

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them on top of a bunch of
phone books. Right. Well, I

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mean you can do all sorts of
cool things if if it's done right,

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you can hide stuff that's true.
That's true. You know, there's a

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there's an entire I know, I
mean this is not too late, because

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I'm sure you got this going where
you know how to start it and all

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that already. But there is an
entire go system of people and groups of

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people and communities of them, right
that deals with cosplay and any of this

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kind of thing, because it's it's
like a way of life. And some

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of them make it into careers that. I'm sure you could mind their advice

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and stuff like that if you ever
needed, if you just look for that

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kind of thing. Yeah, there's
a couple of things I've looked up already

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in some of those type of forms. How to weather clothing. You know,

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some of the clothing I've got for
him is brand new. You can't

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do that. It's got to be
right weathered correctly. Yes, we did

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talk about that. Yeah. Yeah, so see it's fun. Got a

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little hobby until October. I love
it. Because speaking of speaking of that,

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I've also I had a week off. Reasons are not important, but

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I had a week off, and
in that week off, I did what

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I mean, I did. So
I want to include the food stuff exactly

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because I figure that's more boring.
But like, you know, like I

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made scones for the first time,
and I made like a couple of TikTok

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recipes just to see if they worked, just for funzies, and then they

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did work. Actually they did,
one of them not so much, not

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as much as the rest, but
one of them in particular is kind of

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like a favorite, and a course
is the fattiest one. But I'm not

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going to get into that right now. But I did other stuff, other

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projects akin to your art project,
Jay, I did what I do.

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I did. I made my own
soap. You made your own soap,

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two different batches, and I made
them two different scents, obviously other than

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other than the coffee. And they're
blonde ropes, by the way. So

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I made him at home. You
can make soap now without using lie,

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which lie is a very dangerous chemical. I'm thinking fight club here right now.

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That's what my brother said, first
fucking thing he said. I'm like,

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I'm glad you said that, and
not that I was going, Oh,

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Martha's through it on you and shit, because you could go either way.

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Usually more of a you know,
I'm not saying it is whatever.

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You know, people say it's kind
of really. I mean, I don't

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think so. I just wanted to
see if I could do it. So

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anyway, I did the different batches, and I included coffee grounds in one

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and then the other one I put
coffee beans, you know, and and

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I tried, yeah, right exactly, and you know, I obviously a

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couple of mistakes, No big deal. It came out. I mean they

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worked like soap. It dried really
well, it's just that maybe the ratio

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coffee and things I put in there
was either too much or too little.

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So I got to figure out our
way around that. But I got all

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the materials in advance. I got
the molds and everything, and yeah,

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I did two batches and one smells
like is it honey and vanilla? And

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the other one is like lemon?
So oh shit, yeah, yeah,

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so I made that. In addition
to that, I have for about a

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month or so, I have a
masked little by little the materials too.

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I'm not done with it yet though. The materials to paint glass, Okay,

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what I mean by paint glass,
i't mean just paint that are our

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paint that is a safer glass or
that sticks the best, although that does

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make sense. It's more about a
very specific type of paint that is translucent,

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meaning that like if you were to
put like the candle or a light

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source in the glass in the bottle, let's say, in my case bottle,

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the paint won't obscure it, like, it won't shut off the life

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from it. It will just go
through it and it will give like whatever

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color I put in there, right, that kind of like shimmer through it.

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Right, so we red colored right
or green or whatever. So I

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bought a bunch of spray paint.
There are sea glass type, I don't

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remember the name of it. Sorry, And what I've been when I wanting

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to do this for a few months
now, when I realize how much of

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an alcoholic I've become, and I've
collected all these bottles of different types of

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alcohol, right, some more than
others, like I have. I probably

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have more vodka and kalua bottles than
any other one. Right, you know

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I have a closet full of empty
bourbon and whiskey bottles. Yes, some

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of them are really cool bottles,
right, if you'd like that. That's

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what I was saying that some of
these some of these bottle looks badass.

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I don't want to just throw them
out. I want to see if I

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could do something with them. So
I started putting lights into some of them,

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like string lights that I hook around. And I even have this battery

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power thing on the outside that I
could attach to maybe with some sort of

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glue or maybe add al velcro thing. I haven't got the vocal okay yet,

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so it could be removable easy and
then have it on one side and

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then painted certain shapes and diagrams,
and I just started playing with it.

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But I did my first painting thing. I went to the dollar store.

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I got a bunch of like practice
glasses, you know, different shapes,

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and just started spraying them see what
they look like and should So yeah,

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I did that too, and that's
been a little fun. I can't wait

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to do a round two on that. And I started looking into I got

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the materials for I haven't started yet
though, so it doesn't count, I

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guess, But I got the materials
to make. Uh it's something they to

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face. It's it's not moisturizer.
It's the other one, like some sort

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of scouring. Uh. It is
like a scarring thing. It's made out

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of coffee grounds. What's the name
of flaxfoliator? Thank you? There it

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is. Yes, I got to
start. I saw I saw a lot

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of recipes and stuff that people do
online for accolating and stuff they could make

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a home. And I'm not much
of an ascoliator, clearly because I couldn't

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think of the name. But I
don't want to see if I can make

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it, and then maybe I'll use
that then see how cool it works.

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Or because some of them are sugar
based, some of them are whatever,

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different types and uh yeah, So
I got into that a little bit and

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I got the materials for it.
I haven't started yet, but it looks

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pretty easy to make that has been
you're busy on your vacation. Yeah,

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do I see an oscar specter Etsy
shop in the future. I will,

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I will not. I will admit
that I had crossed my mind, But

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first and foremost, I'm not not
doing it with that in mind necessarily.

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I just want to see if I
can do it first and see if I

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like it, and obviously see what
sticks. Also, because you know,

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just trying to have fun with my
time here. Yeah, but absolutely well,

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you know what they say, idle
hands. Yes, with Seth Green.

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Yes, it is a terrible movie. Who else was in that movie?

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I couldn't really the only one I
remember, but I don't know.

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He was kind of the ambiguous,
handsome blonde actor in the nineties. I

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can't remember the kid's name. He
was in quite a few movies, but

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I'd give you ten thousand dollars someone
to pull that kid's name out of their

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ass if it could be some huge
ass star they were just we just don't

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think of anymore or like or he
just looks so different now, you know.

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But yeah, that's what happened up
to over the last two weeks.

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It's awesome, man. Yeah.
Oh and and in the side note,

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I guess I finally got and this
is for not for political reasons, but

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I finally got my second I'm vaccinated
now officially my second shot and everything.

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Yea, and again and the new
reason I didn't or hadn't before, it's

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just because I'm lazy. We could
start getting back together again, record right,

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So yeah, so I got that, and uh yeah, I felt

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a little bad for sure, but
otherwise it's fine. That was the other

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news thing. I guess, nothing
major. Everyone's done that or a lot

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of people have not everyone. That's
the problem, not enough. But yeah,

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yeah, other than that, that's
what I've been up to. Cool.

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Well, it sounds like we both
got some good hobbies rolling and it's

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the guy's name is Elden Henson.
You're right. He is popular from a

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certain era though, and it's not
from recent stuff either. He's then there,

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all right. That was the last
thing I saw him, and I

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think was Daredevil's a show on Netflix
plays the new Sardox the lawyer friend the

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other co owner of the Lawyer Front. Oh, yes, you're right,

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Okay, I know exactly who you're
talking about. Yes, he was in

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Idle Hands, but there was a
blonde kid too. I thought that was

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him. Are you sure it's so
not important? I'm almost positive Jessica album

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wasn't it too? I don't know
that what really? M Yeah, I

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don't feel like I have to watch
the movie to know for sure who you're

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talking about. But I'm not gonna
see that movie again. No, no,

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yeah, great, it's should we
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we got we got another heavy one
tonight, so we should probably get

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in a while, so I should
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rubbing between his eyes like you know, did you watch a new Candyman?

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You know that's saying something like this
phone number is like saying Candyman, I

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haven't seen it. Instead of involking
something that kills you, it's given me

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a mike. So that's why I'm
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nick that just when you mentioned phone
and number, well, are you actually

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saying the number yet? Yeah,
it's starting to give me a migraine.

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That's how bad this phone number is. Sorry to say it, So I

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gotta do it. I gotta walk
away for a minute while you say the

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phone number. Go ahead, go
ahead, Chicago area code eight seven to

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two five two nine zero seven six
seven. That's eight seven to two five

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two nine zero seven sixty seven.
Leave us a message, send us a

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text. We'll read them and play
them on the show, Oscar. Do

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you want to go take some aspirins, we'll take a break. Yeah,

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I would love that. Actually,
thank you. Okay, we'll be back.

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Listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights are turned

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down low, the ceremonial candle is
lit, and those drinks are flowing.

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Let's start this show all right.
Before we begin, I just want to

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put a disclaimer out there. This
is a part two. Please, if

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you haven't done so, go back
and listen to episode one four, The

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Octopus Murders. This is a continuation
of that episode, The Octopus Conspiracy.

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And it's been decided that this is
going to be a three parter, a

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trilogy, A trilogy, Yes,
and I just got to give you some

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inside baseball here. Once all is
said and done, Oscar will have close

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to, if not over, a
one hundred page script for this trilogy that

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goes to show you the level,
the insane level of research and dedication that

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goes to this show. Oscar.
Thank you. I can't anxiety. I

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call it anxiety fueled tons of anxiety. I can't wait to see where this

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thing goes, Oscar. Why don't
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Mm hmm, thank you, thank
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I must employ you again. He
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This is a part two, but
I will implore you to listen or

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maybe even we listen part one only
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can be hard to keep up in
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I'm gonna do my best here to
recap and to remind you of key details

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to better understand the connections that I
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thing that you'll see that rapidly will
become apparent is how much simpler the events

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of the previous show are compared to
this show. Oh no, oh boy,

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I mean, get ready for more
names and events and details. However,

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before I get too far ahead of
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Studies Podcast two Cases, we begin
with a triple murder in nineteen eighty one

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outside of Indio, California. Fred
Alvarez, Ralph Boger, and Patricia Castro

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were killed. It's a professional hit
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The case remains unsolved, but conspiracy
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killed because of nefarious dealings happening at
a nearby Indian reservation called Cabison Band the

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Mission Indians. Alvarez was a member, and he had a few disagreements with

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Cabizon's financial advisor, John Philip Nichols, who is well connected and helped make

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the connections for a legitimate casino and
growing ties with a world known security firm

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called Wagon Hut. Nichols was suspected
but never tried, and years after the

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murders, was in prison for four
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for selfish means. Jump to the
two thousands, Rachel Begley, who is

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Ralph Boger's daughter, starts discovering more
about her father's death and the Triple Slangs.

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Through perseverance, Rachel manages to get
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unit and finds a man named Jimmy
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Having worked as security personnel, Hughes
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an evangelical minister in Nondudas and headquartered
in Miami. Rachel confronts him on an

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evangelical tour in Fresno, California,
where he spills and alludes to his clear

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involvement to getting Alvarez and her father
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nineteen eighty one. He also boldly
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past for the US government. Hughes
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Rachel, gets shut down by the
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become disillusioned. The case is still
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murder in Martinsburg, West Virginia.
Freelance journalist Danny Cassilero becomes an overnight sensation

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among news outlets and conspiracy theorists when
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hotel room in nineteen ninety one.
It appears that it is suicide. Razor

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blade, alcohol, cigarettes, and
a suicide note is left behind twelve slashes

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to both of his wrists. Danny
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demise to his brother weeks beforehand.
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working on. He claims to have
found a shadowy organization working within the halls

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of power in Washington and around the
globe that is responsible for lots of sabotage,

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money, and murder. Cassilera coined
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connections to shady doings via two primary
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computer company, the DOJ, and
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are all connected. His death was
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as a suicide by authorities and the
FBI, Cassilero's many papers on his book

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and documents proving what he'd found were
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left anywhere without. Other strange details, such as his early involvement before his

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family was notified, also fueled conspiracy
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mystery, even taken at face value, but what's more ponderous is his echoes

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in the decades to come, as
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this octopus organization once and for all. All Right. In the legal world,

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a conspiracy is an agreement between two
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along with an intent to achieve the
agreement's goals. Conspiracy is a funny

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thing because we've all done it,
though usually not illegal. In grade school,

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for example, my brother and I
would inform the other when the latest

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report on our school work was due
to be mailed, so that the letter

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can be intercepted from one of us. From parental view, we get fs

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g's why we tell the other brother, hey, fucking well have the fucking

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mailman. Two friends would devise and
manipulate a conversation with someone they like to

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see if they in turn like them
back, usually through subterfuge. This is

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obviously to avoid any kind of shame, or to see if they like them

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before they ask them out. So
the key difference between lying or playing around

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and conspiracy is legality. Here's some
additional information on that, meaning conspiracy generally

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or carries a penalty of its own. In addition, conspiracies allow for derivative

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liability, where conspirators can also be
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other members, even if not directly
involved. Thus, were one or more

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members of the conspiracy committed legal acts
to further the conspiracy's goals, all members

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of the conspiracy may be held accountable
for those acts, and conspiracy applies to

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both civil and criminal offenses. For
example, you may conspire to commit murder

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or conspire to commit fraud. If
you recall its left and right about how

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and why these murders happened and are
conted. The information Pridit provided to you

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today can easily be dramatized, but
there's really no need for me. The

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last show had to make and model
of a murder mystery thriller with a headstrong

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protagonist. The information and connections on
this show has the bones of a more

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complicated political mystery, but more of
an ensemble cast than just like one hero

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or two heroes. Ultimately, my
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doom. Nearly everyone I'll be talking
about, which are all involved in conspiracies

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of their own, were not convicted
for their actions. It is baffling,

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but especially so when you'll see how
iron clad truthfuls some of this stuff ends

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up being and the ones that do
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they are most likely there through trumped
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of the people I'll be talking about
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pieces and deep dives. Before I
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point out that I'll be referencing back
to the last show, both to refresher

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memories on details of the episode and
to understand connection to the subject of the

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segment. I should also say that
I'll be quoting from lots of places and

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that important names mentioned in a segment
might return later as a focus. The

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sources I used the most to gather
the information are from Sherry Seymour's book and

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Jim Keith and Ken Thomas's book,
again both mentioned on the last episode,

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who I also use for sources,
And obviously it goes without saying the mini

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articles that cooperate these books and other
theories. So without further ado, let's

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begin with the wacken Hut Corporation the
wacken Hut Connection to explain where, how,

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and what this company was all about. Here's a shortened version of an

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outdated introduction that used to be sent
to prospective clients. Quote. Wackenheat Corporation

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had its beginnings in nineteen fifty four
when George R. Wakenhut and three other

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former special agents of the FBI formed
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to provide series to business and industry. In nineteen sixty two, wacken Hut

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Operations extended from Florida to California and
Hawaii. On January first, nineteen sixty

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six, the company became international with
offices in Caracas, Venezuela, through half

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ownership of an affiliate. The Wackenhut
Corporation became public in nineteen sixty six with

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over the counter stock sales and joined
the American Stock Stock Exchange in nineteen sixty

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seven. Through acquisitions of subsidiaries and
affiliates, now totaling more than twenty and

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expansion of its contracts and to numerous
territories and foreign countries, the wacken Hut

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Corporation had grown into one of the
world's largest security and investigative firms. There's

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a lot more to this company.
For example, in nineteen sixty wacken Hut

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began extending its physical services to the
US government as a subsidiary, which prohibits

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set government from contracting with companies which
furnish investigative or detective services. So this

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means it's kind of like it's kind
of like visiting a bunch of divorce attorneys

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so that the spouse can hire it. You know, you know about this

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move and the legal world, it's
like a monopoly move. You know,

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they would get contract through governments,
and therefore other firms can't do the same

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with the government because they already did
it, you know. In seventy eight

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and seventy nine, wacken Hut was
brought into the fields of energy maps man

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like the nuclear industry as well as
an environmental and acquired a company specializing in

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outdoor electronic security. They don't work
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they also take on individual clients,
assuming they can afford it and have the

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status. By the eighties, wacken
Hut had services like insurance expectors, surveys,

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corporate acquisitions, pre employment screening,
background reports, polygraph examinations, and

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general investigations for criminal fraud and arson
quote. The wide variety of services offered

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by wacken Hut Corporation also includes guard
and electronics security for banks, office buildings,

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apartments, industrial complexes, and other
physical structures. Training programs in English

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and foreign languages to apply wacken Hut
procedures to individual client needs, fire safety

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and protective patrols, rescue and first
aid services, emergency support programs tailored to

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labor management disputes. Which sounds shady
and pre departure screening programs widely used by

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airports and airlines. The company has
facilities and offices, with operations spread across

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the US and extending into Canada,
the UK, Western Europe, the Middle

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East, Indonesia, Central and South
America, and the Caribbean. These guys

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sound like some shady just some bad, shady motherfuckers. Man already they do

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right, really just like sage business. But wow, yeah, it's a

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lot. It's like half the world
that's right there. They're missing Australia and

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Asia and Africa, I guess,
but that's that's half the world. Seemingly

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from a so that used to work
for wacken Hut via, the CIA stated

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the following quote. You know they've
got retired Admiral Stansfield Turner, a former

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CIA director, Clarence Kelly, former
FBI director, Frank Carlucci, former CIA

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deputy director, James Rowley, former
Secret Service Director, Admiral Bobby ray Inman,

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former acting chairman of President Bush's Foreign
Intelligence Advisory Board, and former CIA

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deputy director. Before his appointment as
Reagan CIA director, the late William Casey

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was wacken Huts outside legal council.
Wow, no kidding, yep. And

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I checked most of these names,
not all of them, because I have

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a life. I'm kidding, I'm
kidding. And I checked the you know,

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the list on their backgrounds, and
it's it's true the ties to wacken

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Hudster on them. Yeah, what
do you think of that? So far?

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Heavy heavy hitters. Yeah, And
they're all have their own DOSses and

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ship they all have their own all
these names big wigs in their own fields.

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I mean a lot of these guys. Basically there's spooks. Yeah,

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yeah, so would you say?
And I hope I'm not giving away a

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lead here or anything, but is
is wacken Hut considered the octopus? I

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see what you mean. No,
okay, okay, no, and uh.

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The reason for that simple is that
there's a lot of people that have,

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I don't want to say, nothing
to do with them, but definitely

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that do not work for them or
do not shold stock with them, that

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are involved in the octopus but are
not connected in that way. Maybe they

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use them before as a service things
like that, but like not not quite

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so No, it's definitely it's definitely
bigger than them, the octopus, I

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guess, but it's not their headquarters. It's some wacken Hut office at least,

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not that I would imagine. Got
it okay? Okay? And that's

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not going ahead? I mean,
I actually don't know the answer quite yet

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to that, but based on everything
I read, I would say, no,

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okay, fair enough. So audience
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you think of this company so far? Is it great business nothing more?

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Or does it immediately sound sinister or
potentially sinister? Let's talk about what makes

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Wackenhut darker? And I'll begin with
an analogy. In television, especially in

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the two thousands, the first few
episodes, more so, the pilot establishes

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what the show will look like for
its duration, be it twenty seasons or

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three more episodes. It is how
a singular vision get best, gets recopied

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or fortified as the show progresses.
It is why Martin Scorsese directed the pilot

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for Borwalk Empire, why David Fincher
did Mindhunter, and why Brian Singer did

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House and so on so on.
In more than a way, it establishes

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their stamp of style, vile,
and direction for the rest of the show,

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even if they never look at it
again. That being said, George

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R. Wackenhut was antisemitic and extremely
right wing. These character traits established what

405
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:20.400
wacken Hut turned into after he retired
and passed. Several articles have been written

406
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.279
about have been written concerning this nature
within the bones of wacken Hut, and

407
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.920
one in the nineties gets into it
very well. Actually, they begin citing

408
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.400
the crazy contract Wackenhut has had,
like being the CIA's backup, working for

409
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:40.920
the Pentagon, the FBI guarding the
nuclear reactors and Alaskan oil pipelines, secretly

410
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.680
arming Iraq and fueling unrest in Venezuela, and saying that it sounds like a

411
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:52.319
spy thriller novel, but it's all
true. In the mid nineteen sixties,

412
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:58.319
wacken Hut boasted to potential investors that
they had files on two point five million

413
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:07.039
Americans under the fire like other terrible
people of locating left leaning communists meaning subversives

414
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:13.679
and sympathizers two point five million.
They would sell this information as needed.

415
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.199
Much of this came forward under a
former staff member of the House Committee on

416
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:25.639
un American Activities, Carl Barslag,
when his private file was taken The reason

417
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.039
wacken Hut is first on my to
do list is because it's connected to the

418
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.599
Kabison band of Mission Indians we heavily
talked about on the last show. It

419
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.719
was told in the press and other
places that Wackenhut hooked up with Cabison Indians

420
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.719
to manufacture arms and sending them to
all sorts of places. You might ask,

421
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.039
why does the Disney of security firms
want with some small reservation in California.

422
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:58.239
The simplest reason is this Indian reservations
are sovereign land and do not come

423
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.400
under federal jurisdiction. Because of this, wacken Hut had to form a partnership,

424
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:08.559
a joint business venture with Cabazon Indians
in order to legally produce high tech

425
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:14.880
arms and explosives and be able to
send them worldwide. You see, only

426
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:20.159
the US government has or can lend, the green light to manufacture weapons on

427
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.719
US soil. This was how wacken
Hut was able to sitestep that while achieving

428
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.400
maximum profits. Brilliant this way,
yep. This way, wacken Hut can

429
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:37.119
also avoid congressional prohibitions that would have
turned up if they weren't using reservation land.

430
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.199
This explains how it was possible to
ship weapons to the contrasts and Middle

431
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:50.320
Eastern countries, for example, do
you think that's the fine brilliant play I

432
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.400
mean played by Wackenhut. These are
not stupid people, right, And you

433
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:58.079
see tons of examples in our day
to day, in our modern history,

434
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:01.440
right, like modern events, companies
doing this shit all the time. To

435
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.960
say them, right, they fucked
some people over for to save X million,

436
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.159
three billion there or whatever. Absolutely
so not out of the reach of

437
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.599
possibility here. No, so let's
dig a little deeper and you know,

438
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:22.960
name some names here. Quote.
In the early nineteen eighties, doctor John

439
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:29.400
Nichols, the Cabistan tribal administrator,
obtained the Department of Defense Secret Facility clearance

440
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:36.079
for the reservation to conduct various research
projects. Nichols then approached Wackenhut with an

441
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:43.840
elaborate joint venture proposal to manufacture nine
millimeter machine pistols, laser sited assault weapons,

442
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:50.599
sniper rifles, and portable rocket systems
on the Cabison Reservation and in Latin

443
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:57.079
America. At one point, he
even sought to develop biological weapons unquote the

444
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:02.159
fuck Supposedly this was done on one
square mile of land on the reservation,

445
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.559
no more or less. For some
reason they they really pointed that out from

446
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.599
here. John Philip Nichols, the
man I mentioned on the last show that

447
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:16.800
was into some shady things, including
getting arrested for trying to hire someone to

448
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:22.519
kill for money, drafted a plan
to provide security for a palace. This

449
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:29.719
was Crown Princess Fod's palace in TIF, Saudi Arabia. And it is safe

450
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.760
to say that once the Crown Princess
people looked into Cabston, Indians and wacken

451
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:42.880
Hut their assurances that any Jewish interference
or sabotage was unlikely given the company's history,

452
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:49.360
meaning their right wing anti Semitic history. Therefore, they accepted the reason.

453
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:54.559
The reasoning behind backing certain South American
regimes and Middle Eastern royals is broad

454
00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:02.519
but powerful to dissuade Communist leaning influences, particularly from Russia. Of course,

455
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:08.920
as we know, George Wackenhut's company
and ideals were sympatical with anti communism.

456
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.719
Plus the very fact that the US
was very much like this back then and

457
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.719
still to more than one degree today. You know, it kind of fits

458
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.079
a little too nicely. Think of
the McCarthy era people. That's what I'm

459
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:30.320
saying This leads to a myriad of
connections of people and institutions that at times

460
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.960
has a looser grip and other times
a firmer one. This kind of global

461
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.000
business acumen leads Wackenhut and key players
to get in bed with the Reagans,

462
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:46.079
Bush, Nixon and other foreign dignitaries
and agendas. But I digress for now.

463
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:52.440
Let's connect more with Kabiston. The
four key figures in the Wackenhut Cabison

464
00:38:52.559 --> 00:39:00.480
partnership are John Philip Nichols, Michael
with Gnoshuto, Peter Zolkowski, and Robert

465
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:07.360
Fry. Now. John Philip Nichols
has had enough airtime on the show with

466
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.840
this one and the last one,
and I call him like a shadow man,

467
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.800
the man behind the scene for all
the name jobs he's had since the

468
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.440
eighties, and as powerful as his
connections were, Nichols has no wiki page,

469
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.519
for example. You know you think
there would be by now, but

470
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.840
no. Nearly everything about him is
told through others and in business dealings.

471
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.199
What I find fascinating about Nichols,
and I'll pose it as a question for

472
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:38.360
you, is was John Phillip Nichols
working for wacken Hut first and foremost or

473
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:45.599
the Cabison Band of Mission Indians.
What do you think? Well, I

474
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:49.840
mean, I'm just going chronologically how
the episode played out. I would say

475
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.639
the Cabison Man of Mission Indians,
especially ues, because I'm with you on

476
00:39:54.679 --> 00:40:00.519
that. Yeah, but shadow Man, that's a great moniker for him,

477
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.000
because I can tell you trying to
put the episode show notes together for episode

478
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.119
one forty four, it was fucking
impossible. I finally found it, but

479
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.960
so hard to find a picture of
this man, so hard, right,

480
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.760
Yeah, it's another prominent guy I'm
gonna focus on later on. Here's a

481
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.360
little teasier but I only saw one
and it's like an older one and it

482
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:27.159
looks more like a sketch than a
picture. And I don't know, maybe

483
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.199
you can find a better one than
I did. Yeah, No, I'm

484
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:34.159
just but I agree with you Shatleman
great. Yeah. Yeah. Now,

485
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:39.119
if you recall Nichols's family, entire
family worked on the reservation, his son

486
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.400
and his wife, but Nichols Senior
came into Katson a veteran at making deals,

487
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:49.239
and like I said on the last
show, kicking Ass, he's the

488
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.159
person that began the venture of Cabiston
and Wacken hut, even if he didn't

489
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:58.639
run it the whole time. His
position was officially set to administrator for the

490
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:05.559
reservation. Here's a little more on
nichols quote. Police reports indicate that Nichols

491
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:12.000
previously did misses in Saudi Arabia,
South Africa, Panama, Nicaragua, Guatemala,

492
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:19.119
Mexico, Chile, Brazil, the
Netherlands, England, Canada, France,

493
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:25.039
Spain, Japan, Korea, and
Taiwan. In nineteen sixty, Nichols

494
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.960
became the manager of a Coca Cola
bottling plant in South Paulo, Brazil.

495
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:37.199
Then he became a Pentecostal leader of
the Chilean Pentecostal movement and attended several evangelical

496
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:44.719
and gospel congresses in Bolivia. When
Nichols was hired in nineteen seventy eight,

497
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.960
Oh my God. He wrote himself
a ten year contract with the Cabasan tribe

498
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.559
that gave him fifty percent of the
profits of any business he brought to the

499
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:59.920
reservation in the summer of nineteen eighty
and during the next three years, Nickel

500
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.880
embarked on a series of international security
and military ventures to provide security for Crown

501
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:14.199
Princess Fod's Saudi Arabia Palace proposals to
manufacture one one hundred and twenty millimeters combustible

502
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:20.679
cartridge cases on the reservation and in
Latin and in Latin America, along with

503
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:24.760
nine millimeters machine pistols, laser cited
assault weapons of course, sniper rifles,

504
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:32.360
and the rocket systems I mentioned earlier. That's Nicholas. What's interesting is eighty

505
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:40.760
percent of the locations you named where
he had done business is just a hotbed

506
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.960
of political turmoil. Yeah, definitely, especially around that time around Yeah,

507
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.199
and a lot of that around that
time, and some of that stuff like

508
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.519
those from previous wars too, you
think of that, Yeah, yeah,

509
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.480
like the Korean War things like that. Yeah, this guy, it's all

510
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.320
intentional. It's all connecting a little
here. Now we're going to move on

511
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.800
to another of the fourthly key players
that I mentioned a paragraph or two ago.

512
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:13.800
Robert Frye was vice president for Wacken
Huts Operations in Indio, California.

513
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.840
I don't have much on fry because
I decided not to research him time,

514
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.320
you know, fucking crazy, but
he was a big deal in wacken Hut.

515
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.760
He was in charge of wacken Hut's
international subsidiary via Cabison Arms to securely

516
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:36.440
send weapons across international lines. He
was also involved in negotiations to buy the

517
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:44.280
valley Field Chemical Productions Corporations Corporations of
Quebec. His time working in Indio,

518
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.199
the same headquarters as Cabston Bands,
by the way, began shortly before the

519
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.800
venture was formalized in April first,
nineteen eighty one, until he suffered a

520
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:59.159
heart attack and the venture was terminated
on October one, nineteen eighty four.

521
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.639
That is the lifespan of this endeavor
from eighty one to eighty four. Robert

522
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:09.440
Fry also has no wiki page.
Now Peter Zakowski moving on, Sorry should

523
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:15.400
said moving on now. Peter Zakowski
was the president of this Cabizon operation through

524
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:22.360
Wackenhut. The following comes from a
twenty ten article through Associated Press writers that

525
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:29.400
talk about the Fred Alvarez murder back
in eighty one. Quote. Authorities probing

526
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:36.840
Alvarez's death recently took a large cardboard
box of Wackenhut related documents and tape recordings

527
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.639
from Peter Zakowski, the former president
of a nearby munitions manufacturing plant. With

528
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.639
all the documents and memos I have
seen go back and forth. It looks

529
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:52.159
like they wanted to do these things. It just never happened. Zokowski,

530
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:59.159
who had government security clearance and whose
wife was Indio's mayor, said wacken Hut

531
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:04.679
had asked him to write a proposal
to build an arsenal and manufacture tank ammunition

532
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:09.519
on tribal land, but the classified
project went nowhere. It was submitted.

533
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:15.519
I didn't hear anything more about it, and wacken Hut withdrew Withdrew settled Slokowski,

534
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:20.079
who's now eighty three, back in
twenty ten, So you know,

535
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.360
do the math. I think they
were dissatisfied with the structure of the Indian

536
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:30.000
organization. The Florida based company did
sign a joint venture with the tribe to

537
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:36.400
win government security contracts, but the
partnership fizzled when it failed to get bids,

538
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.079
said former wacken Hut spokesman Patrick Cannon. He said, to his knowledge,

539
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.920
the deal did not involve weapons,
yet, two men said in separate

540
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:52.280
legal filings the Cabson wacken Hut partnership
was forged to sell weapons to the contrasts.

541
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:58.559
The idea was to develop night vision
goggles, machine guns, and biological

542
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:02.800
and chemical weapons to support foreign entities, which included the contrasts. According to

543
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:09.519
an affidavit filed in an unrelated case
by a man named Michael Riconoshuto, who

544
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.599
said he worked on this on this
very deal. He is now in federal

545
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:21.800
prison on drug charges. People claiming
CIA ties wanted the venture to develop machine

546
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:27.119
guns at a top secret tribal facility
for distribution to Nicaragua. Set a second

547
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:31.079
man, weapons manufacturer Robert Booth Nichols, who is in no relation to John

548
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:37.719
Philip Nichols. In civil court filings, he said he pulled out because wacken

549
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:44.480
Hut didn't provide State Department approval.
Unquote, there's a lot there. There

550
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:51.400
is is anthony you want to pack
there from it? That was from the

551
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:52.599
article. I'm sorry they were quoting
within the quotes. I don't know if

552
00:46:52.599 --> 00:47:01.880
I should say quote again that dialogue, So drop some names here. Yeah,

553
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:08.239
Ricking a SHOOTO. I think you
put in your sandwich ye uh yeah,

554
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.519
I don't. I don't know what
to unpack yet. Right, you're

555
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.719
right, you're right, And some
of this stuff is purposefully being funny.

556
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:20.119
Like I will discuss more of it, of course, but like, yeah,

557
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.119
I had to put it in there, and this is where they mentioned

558
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.400
more of a Zolkowski in it.
And you know the files he was asked

559
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.639
for and what people said that he
lied about. I mean what Patrick Cannon,

560
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:31.719
the spokesman for Wackenhut, said about. You know, all these dealings

561
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:36.000
failed, the bits failed, no
weapons were involved. But if that was

562
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.239
a purpose to begin with, why
would you But other people are saying bullshit

563
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:43.360
right to other great exactly, yeah, wow, all right, let's go

564
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.800
on to this guy, Michael looking
a Shooto, the fourth Yeah, the

565
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.880
fourth player in the wacken Hut Cabin
San partnership is a different breed altogether.

566
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:58.599
He worked for the CIA when recruited
to work for wacken Hut after the venture

567
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.599
was born, we could Judo was
brought in to figure out the science and

568
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:07.840
technical knowledge required to actually build the
weapons. This is the kind of brilliance

569
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:13.320
that government agencies recruit out of school, which he was, We're going to

570
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:17.119
shoot work at Cabiston Arms from eighty
three to eighty four as head of research.

571
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:23.840
He excelled at manufacturing fuel to air
explosives on the reservation, which were

572
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:30.280
then sent abroad, as well as
modifying a borrowed version of a special software

573
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:37.159
for international use. His role in
the Cabison Wackenhut partnership is heavy, but

574
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:44.679
his role in the Octopus organization is
more extensive. You see, he is

575
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:52.079
my lynch Pen. He ties Cabiston
Indians with Danny Casilero's research. He is

576
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:55.519
the glue that ties both cases from
the last show together because of what he

577
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:02.639
told and showed Castellaro possibly led to
his death in that hotel bathtub. Wiquinoshoota's

578
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:07.280
profile and exploits will be told in
parts as he fits within the episode later

579
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:14.199
on. And now this might be
the best time to mention that Danny Cassilero,

580
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:19.079
the freelance journalists found dead in West
Virginia in nineteen ninety one, had

581
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:24.280
mentioned to colleagues that his next destination
was to be Indio, California. Casilero's

582
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.159
research through Michael Wikinoshutto, of course, led him to find out what happened

583
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.599
at cavist On Indio Reservation and was
beginning to plan on going there before he

584
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:38.639
died. Like the beginnings of the
plan right, this unfortunately cannot be proven

585
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:44.960
as it was word of mouth.
Another interesting tidbit I found is that Castilera

586
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.000
was noodling to title his book Indio
based on everything that went on in there.

587
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:54.960
Presumably there's really a whole lot more, but I kind of have to

588
00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:00.960
move on. I went with backen
Hut as my first segment because it nicely

589
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:05.719
sets the rest of the show and
it encourages further research for those wanting to

590
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:10.199
know more. If you are inclined
to know more and what Wackenhoot is up

591
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:16.280
to these days, search for G
four s Secure Solutions. That is their

592
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:21.119
current name as of two thousand and
two, as part of a merger.

593
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:28.079
I think, let's look that up. Yeah, so that's the first time.

594
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:35.320
Okay, so do we think what
do you think it was? Do

595
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:40.079
we think Rick and the shoot Rick
and a SHOOTO was the man Cassalo was

596
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:46.920
meeting up with. Yes, really, yes, Sorry I thought I didn't

597
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:52.880
say that that way, but yeah, it's I believe I mentioned that.

598
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.400
I might even mentioned it in the
last show that that was him, or

599
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.719
maybe I just had two sources,
but either way, yeah, he's one

600
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.679
of the two sources. So was
this the one that the waitress said,

601
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.480
Oh yeah, we saw No,
that's something else. I know what,

602
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.800
I know what you're talking about No, no, no, the darn yeah

603
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:10.920
no no no no no no,
no no no, that's something else.

604
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.519
Sorry, don't get definitely don't confuse
that one, I guess. Uh,

605
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.039
I'll just tell you this part now
because I'm not I don't mention it ever

606
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.239
in this one. It's in for
three, gotcha. Well we can hold

607
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.800
it till part three. Yeah,
but no, that has nothing to do

608
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.599
with it. I mean, that
has everything to do with this, but

609
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:30.519
in a smaller thing. It's not
the same guy because uh, I mean,

610
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.719
yeah, but Michael and Michael,
we're going to shoot her and one

611
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.599
other person or the two sources and
Danny Casterero, you know, got the

612
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:44.920
fountain. The grand majority of his
information that led him to like talk to

613
00:51:44.960 --> 00:51:47.360
other people, phone call a lot
of people, possibly led him to be

614
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.639
noticed by someone shady, got him
killed. Ideally if he believed that he

615
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:57.079
didn't commit suicide. Of course,
this is all speculated in the last show,

616
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.639
of course, but it's good to
remind him. Yeah, and that's

617
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:01.880
where like, you know, led
to his death in the sense that he

618
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.800
got too much and he had he
was just one man, you know,

619
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.599
so if you want him killed,
you get him killed. Wow. Right,

620
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:15.880
then the papers that were stolen or
that were not in still missing the

621
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.199
hotel room. Do you think those
papers were provided by Rick in the shootout?

622
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.920
Definitely? Wow? Or at least
like just like where to find them?

623
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.320
Okay, Yeah, I have real
stuff on that too, all right,

624
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:34.280
resmile to the next segment here,
called the Inslaw fair in slaw kind

625
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.599
of like coldslaw, but in in
slaa law. Okay, Now, this

626
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:44.159
whole thing is a doozy. The
reasons I want to tell you about inslaw

627
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:49.880
are many. It's super fascinating and
it was labeled the scandal that Wouldn't die.

628
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.280
Inslaw brings in the government in a
much bigger way than anything I've said

629
00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:00.599
today or on the last show combined. Nearly everything out this segment is corroborated

630
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:07.559
with documents like Affid Davits, internal
reporting and courtroom files that turn into articles

631
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:15.039
and books down to me. Another
reason is that introduces Danny Cassilero's other big

632
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:20.119
time source of information. If you
were to look at this from a judicial

633
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:24.840
standpoint, the foreground is the case
of Anslaw versus the US Department of Justice,

634
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:30.440
and the background is what those documents
never say. But show that intent

635
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:37.079
like motive, for example, and
financially gainful plotting are rarely, if ever,

636
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:42.199
in stuffy documents. But that's our
foreground. It's what makes it interesting

637
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.519
for people like us who are wanted
to know the whole truth, not just

638
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.559
a part of it. Like most
things in life. If you want to

639
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.760
know what makes inslaw interesting, we
got to get into the background first.

640
00:53:53.280 --> 00:54:00.960
Inslaw is an acronym that stands for
Institute for Law and Social Research. Inslaw

641
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:06.639
was an information technology company that was
based in Washington, d c. Its

642
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:12.119
founder is a man named William A. Hamilton, who began inslaw as a

643
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:19.440
nonprofit organization in nineteen seventy three.
Their contracts and grants primarily came from the

644
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:27.119
Law Enforcement Assistance Administration or the LAA. This is the government, so acronyms

645
00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:30.559
here, folks. Sorry, they
love they love them, They really fucking

646
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:37.079
do. Inslaw's purpose was to develop
case management software for law enforcement office automation.

647
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:45.400
Specifically, inslaw developed a program called
PROMISE, which stands for Prosecutors Management

648
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:52.360
Information System, and it was meant
for use in law enforcement record keeping and

649
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:57.559
case monitoring activities. This was the
seventies, folks, So all of the

650
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:02.880
convenience we can appreciate today took a
painstakingly long time back then, especially when

651
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:08.239
paperwork is involved. The option to
drag and drop was nonexistent. So this

652
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.760
software at this time sounds boring to
us, but saves a lot of time

653
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.960
for them. Let's not forget time
equals money, so save his time saves

654
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.800
money. In nineteen eighty, inslat
continued operating, but as a for profit

655
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:30.880
and began marketing the software to current
and new users. This was because Congress

656
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:37.119
abolished the LAAA in nineteen eighty,
which led Bill Hamilton to transfer Inslaugh's assets

657
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.639
over to the new corporation. So
that's how he became the way he did.

658
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.880
But I'm not a computer guy,
all right. I never saw Halton

659
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.360
catch Fire, and I know the
movie Hackers as fake as fuck, So

660
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:54.480
I will not go into detail of
the software the transferring process from mainframe to

661
00:55:54.760 --> 00:56:00.159
sixteen bit mini computer versions, for
example, Like I don't know if I

662
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:01.960
could get it to it, because
it'll be boring and I won't understand the

663
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.199
information. One thing that I will
say is that in order for promise to

664
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.719
work in different systems or with alterations, that's seen benign in twenty twenty one.

665
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:16.559
Like languages or menus, one would
have to develop it each separate time,

666
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:22.400
customized for the one buying it.
System updates and operating systems are kind

667
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:27.360
of like that a little bit.
Now, before I drop the scandal hammer,

668
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.719
I want to talk about a contract
and some of the rights that Promise

669
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:38.920
used to have now written Kobyl cobyl
is they call it a programming language.

670
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.880
Programming language. Thank you, Yeah
you know it? Okay, yeah,

671
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.400
old bastard, it's really old.
Yeah yeah, right, so I could

672
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:51.639
tell it's all because I've never heard
of it before this research written Coobyl,

673
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:57.360
the software's primary users of the first
few versions of Promise for state and local

674
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.119
law enforcements, as well as the
US Orney's Office of the District of Columbia.

675
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.320
All of this came on the contract
when the LAA was still around and

676
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:14.320
Inslaw was a nonprofit. In litigation, both the DOJ and Inslaw agreed that

677
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:20.119
those versions of Promise are in the
public domain and neither entities had exclusive rights

678
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:25.719
to it anytime after nineteen eighty is
where the problem begins. The pilot program,

679
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.079
I'm sorry. The pilot project for
Promise began in nineteen seventy nine,

680
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:37.599
but the Department of Justice were loving
the results and so decided for full implementation

681
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:44.000
of the software in eighty one.
This was to be Promise in twenty of

682
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:51.039
the largest US attorney's offices and seventy
four and smaller ones with the work processor

683
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:58.000
and mini computer versions. In March
of eighty two, Inslaw was awarded a

684
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:02.679
three year, ten million dollar con
contract by the Contact Division the Executive Office

685
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:12.760
of United States Attorneys or EOUSA sort
of got sorry. Things began to fall

686
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:20.000
apart right away. EOUSA and DOJ
were not happy. They determined that Inslaw

687
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:24.679
was violating terms of an advanced payment
clause in the contract, which Inslaw needed

688
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:31.400
to literally finance the project. This
part alone became months of negotiations. In

689
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:36.280
the first year of the contract,
the DOJ did not have the hardware to

690
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:42.079
support Promise. Inslaw provided a stopgap
meture which I won't go into until the

691
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:47.280
proper equipment was installed, but the
EOUSA claimed they were being overcharged for the

692
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:53.239
service and withheld payments. In the
second year of the contract, the DJ

693
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:59.480
claimed that there was difficulty getting Promise
to work, and in nineteen eighty four

694
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:06.880
they canceled a portion of the contract. This ultimately led Inslaw's financial problems to

695
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:12.880
worsen, and the company filed for
Chapter eleven bankruptcy in February nineteen eighty five.

696
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:21.079
Then there are proprietary rights disputes in
addition to all this. It's long,

697
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:22.360
but I'm going to try to summarize
it as best as I can.

698
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:27.199
And yes, it is all very
important, and it connects to some dark

699
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.480
shed. Okay, we know that
everything created under the laaa's public domain.

700
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:38.519
What the EO USA wanted was to
have unlimited rights to all versions of Promise

701
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:45.320
under contract, including the versions of
Promise written for the stopgap measure measure I

702
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:50.360
mentioned earlier, like nineteen eighty two. Inslaw was trying to find ways to

703
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:57.159
make money with Promise and had made
something called Enhanced Promise or Promise eighty two,

704
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:01.119
like an update filled with you know, with all the updates and all

705
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.920
the stuff that we're trying to maximize. The DOJ was disputing that the contract

706
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:13.920
data Claus said or possibly alluded to, quote gave the government unlimited rights in

707
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:20.719
any technical data and computer software delivered
under contract unquote. This thing was supposedly

708
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:27.719
resolved after the DOJ was assured and
convinced by Enslaw that Promise Ady two contained

709
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:34.599
enhancements undertaken at private expense after the
cessation of the l EAA. This.

710
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.840
So I'm stop right there for a
second and explain a little bit because I'm

711
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.639
realizing that it might be complicated because
I read all this, and OK,

712
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.159
so the reason and a company like
Gainst Law in this case, from turning

713
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:52.960
nonprofit to for profit and gaining this
contract and then having problems with this contract

714
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.840
of ten million, ten million dollars
with with heel payments, you know,

715
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.760
has to try to think of the
future and try to sell this thing to

716
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:06.480
perspective people. So they updated it, make differences, make menus, prioritize

717
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:08.639
certain things in it, to make
the stuffware run better on different systems.

718
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:14.679
Everything they did after nineteen eighty and
aside from the contracts they were trying to

719
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:19.400
do in order to sell it to
other things like companies or people individuals.

720
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.079
Right, and the DJ were claiming
that that was all theirs think of it

721
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:28.800
that way, that this was all
under them, and that other than the

722
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.320
public domain stuff, that they should
get everything unlimited rights said it. They

723
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:36.239
said it twice. I said it
twice. For them. So like that

724
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.000
is the dispute going on right now, and hopefully the rest comes as clear

725
01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:45.960
as I try to say it.
Anyway. This issue came up again in

726
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:52.000
nineteen eighty two when the DJ involved
its contract rights to request all the Promise

727
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:57.599
program and documentation. The DOJ said
in litigation that the reason for this was

728
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:01.480
that instat did not look financially reliable
to continue, which is funny to me

729
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.519
since there was them that kept having
problems with the software and continually withheld payments

730
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:13.960
which they needed to fucking do it. Inslaw responded in eighty three that it

731
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.519
was willing to give them the computer
tapes and documents of Promise, but before

732
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:22.239
doing so told the DOJ that they
would have to reach an agreement on the

733
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:30.360
inclusion or exclusion of the features the
changes basically quote. The DOJ response to

734
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:37.239
Inslaw was to emphasize that the implementation
contract called for a version of Promise in

735
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:42.400
which the government had unlimited rights,
and to ask for information about the enhancements

736
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:49.840
Inslaw claimed as proprietary. Inslaw agreed
to provide this information, but noted that

737
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.920
it would be difficult to remove the
enhancements from the time sharing versions. Of

738
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:59.760
Promise and offered to provide the VAX
version of Promise if the DOJ would agree

739
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:05.519
to limit their distribution. In March
of nineteen eighty three, the DJ again

740
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:12.960
informed Inslaw that the implementation contract required
Inslaw to provide I'm sorry to produce software

741
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.480
in which the government had unlimited rights, and that delivery of software with restrictions

742
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:23.840
would not satisfy the contract. That
the sputed continued a little more. But

743
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:29.239
that's the contract and rights issue in
involving Promise. What do you think is

744
01:03:29.239 --> 01:03:34.760
happening so far? Okay, what
it sounds like is the DLJ, the

745
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:39.719
Department of Justice, is trying to
get a hold of a potentially super software

746
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:49.440
and have access to all implementations of
this software. And I'm guessing I don't

747
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.440
know what Promise does, but I'm
guessing it's a database of names. Whether

748
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.159
it's I mean, we're talking about
the DLJ, so whether it's a list

749
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:00.800
of criminals, a list of society
prisoners, you're on the right track.

750
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.000
And more boring than that, it's
just a software that helps people track any

751
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:08.880
kind of like law enforcement type of
activities which you would which you would be

752
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:15.599
right associates of a criminal, to
names and dates of all the police workers

753
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:20.159
that work in the building, to
like even inventory things like how many cots

754
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:24.920
are in this jail or how many
guns they have in bullets and shoelaces,

755
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.280
things like that boring sounding stuff,
but all itemized in one software and one

756
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:35.280
program potentially incredibly important information to the
right entity. You may not care about

757
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:39.400
this county, but you might care
about this other one. Right, So

758
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:45.599
with the DJ one in possession,
I equate possession to access. Uh,

759
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:50.880
they could access database anywhere the software
is implemented. Yeah, it's kind of

760
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:54.480
what I'm getting out of this.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I

761
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.079
mean you're definitely making leaps to that
that I'm going to get there. Yes,

762
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.159
but yeah, I mean it's obvious
work conspiracy show. Obviously it's easy

763
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.960
to go there. Yeah, so
this place, I'm right, I'm trying

764
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:10.880
to show the first few steps of
how they're trying to take it away from

765
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.440
install okay one way or another.
You know they're they're doing it. They're

766
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.920
saying things like like example, like
the contradiction of like they're not happy with

767
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.679
this they're going at with health and
payments. Well, the guys can't install

768
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:29.360
these things and these services or they
can't help you without getting paid right right,

769
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.400
and then saying that they're not financially
stable, so we should get all

770
01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:34.119
the rights, like we're not financially
stable because you won't pay us for the

771
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:39.079
thing that you hired us for,
and the contract states this is that otherwise

772
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.000
you should get it all back.
But they're like no, no, no,

773
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.719
we need all this unlimited rights.
Whereas the tapes see what I'm saying,

774
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:48.440
like, yep, it's bully,
it's fully behavior. Yeah, and

775
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.599
the bully and the LUs money and
he's still going to beat you up,

776
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:56.760
you know, run the company to
the ground and litigation. Okay, I'm

777
01:05:56.800 --> 01:06:00.559
following, Yeah, good. Continuing
on here, this is where I'm going

778
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:06.800
to introduce a new name. DOJ
contracting officer Peter Videnix, who sent a

779
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:14.159
letter proposing a modification in the contract
for Inslaw trying to shorten it. Here.

780
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.960
It basically said, in return for
Inslaw sending the software and data requests,

781
01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:25.280
the DOJ would agree to not disclose
or dilute the material beyond the ninety

782
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:30.320
four offices where promise had been already
implemented. This was called Modification twelve,

783
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:38.440
and Inslaw agreed and sent the necessary
materials. All does not go well again

784
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:45.519
when Inslaw has problems demonstrating the extent
of the enhancements and use of private funding

785
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:50.239
in their development. Inslaw proposed many
methods to do this, but were rejected

786
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:56.360
by the DOJ. So guess what
happened. After filing for Chapter eleven,

787
01:06:56.920 --> 01:07:01.480
Inslaw was still in dispute with the
DOJ over contract payments and therefore were listed

788
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:09.880
as a creditor. Simultaneously, the
DOJ continued its office automation program and added

789
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:15.119
promise to twenty three more offices.
Quote. When Inslaw learned of the installations,

790
01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:21.400
it notified EOUSA that this was in
violation of Modification twelve and filed the

791
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:27.360
claim for two point nine million dollars, which Inslaw said was the license fees

792
01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:32.719
for the software the DOJ self installed. Inslaw also filed claims for services performed

793
01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:39.119
during the contract for a total of
four point one million dollars. The DOJ

794
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:45.320
contracting officer, Peter Videnix, denied
all of these claims. Unquote, Yes,

795
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:50.960
this further proved what you were saying
and the naked shamelessness really of it

796
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.760
all. And they did it this
way. I mean, there's more to

797
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.800
it, of course I'm going to
say, but like, I'm already frustrated

798
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:02.679
for them. This must have been
a horrible time for them, especially for

799
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:09.559
Hamilton. But yeah, this is
kind of shit that seems like boring but

800
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:14.679
also like must happen all the time
somewhere out there, feels like anyway,

801
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.479
now, in Slaw did fight back. They did appeal the denied claims to

802
01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:28.000
the Department of Transportation Board of Contact
Appeals or DOTBCA as for the rights claim.

803
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:32.159
In June of eighty six, nineteen
eighty six, Inslaw filed an adversary

804
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:39.159
hearing in bankruptcy Court, saying that
the DOJ's actions violated provisions of the Bankruptcy

805
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:44.840
Code by meddling with the Inslaw's rights, meaning that the DOJ were trying to

806
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:51.319
bankrupt Inslaw to take promise without adhering
to contracts or paying them yep. INSLAC

807
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:59.800
claims that the DOJ official officials like
Peter Winnicks were biased against them. William

808
01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:03.359
Hamilton, founder of Inslaw, claimed
that some of that bias was directed at

809
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:11.119
him personally. I should mention that
once the company became for profit, the

810
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:15.880
owners became William Hamilton and his wife
as well, Nancy Hamilton. So they

811
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:24.479
were goners. It's nice couple.
Now they had mild winds or positives with

812
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:30.920
an independent handling and adversary proceedings when
the judge clearly stated that the people from

813
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:36.600
the DOJ were being unfair and biased
and unreliable. But this didn't help much

814
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:44.119
when things got overturned after a judge. A series of judge reappointments muddled the

815
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:49.840
case in May of nineteen ninety one, and they dismissed Inslaw's complaints. Inslaw

816
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:55.039
appealed the decision to the Supreme Court, which of course declined to hear the

817
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:59.079
case. I could keep going on, as I said, this is the

818
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.920
scandal that wouldn't die. But what
does that have to do with the octopus

819
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:08.600
conspiracy? Welleme. Some of you
may have figured it out, but Promise

820
01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:14.039
was being used by more than the
DOJ and their offices. It was illegal

821
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:18.359
or shady enough to bankrupt this company
for selfish purposes, but to then involve

822
01:10:18.399 --> 01:10:26.159
the FBI, the CIA mainly,
and other agents in distributing Promise at will

823
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:32.199
is worse. There were several federal
investigations based on what Install claimed the DOJ

824
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:39.199
was doing. This was done at
first through the House Judiciary Committee as well

825
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:47.680
as Senate's Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations or
PSI. This is what the congressional investigation

826
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:54.960
looked like through PSI. Through the
Senate, Bill Hamilton brought new allegations,

827
01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:00.039
and they seem far fetched though plausible. He said that the deal's dispute with

828
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:05.079
Instaugh was part of a conspiracy to
drive them into bankruptcy so that a man

829
01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:13.279
named Earl W. Brian could get
the assets, including promise. Earlbrien,

830
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:16.920
in my opinion, is a player
in the octopus scheme. Brian was a

831
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:26.760
founder of a venture capital firm called
Biotech, which turned into Info Technology Biotech

832
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:32.000
Capital Corporation in the eighties controlled a
company called Hadron, Inc. In nineteen

833
01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:38.439
eighty three, while Ronald Reagan was
in office, Earlbrien made an offer to

834
01:11:38.479 --> 01:11:44.199
Bill Hamilton to acquire Inslaugh and his
assets. Hamilton, of course declined,

835
01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:47.760
and he says that Brian threatened him, saying there are other ways of making

836
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:56.199
yoursell. Wow. You see,
Brian had many government contracts and a deposition

837
01:11:56.279 --> 01:12:01.119
in conjunction with this Senate investigation.
Brian I in testified that Hadron had roughly

838
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:09.640
forty computer system contracts with US intelligence
agencies and the DOJ as well. Furthermore,

839
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:15.359
he was good friends with at the
time Attorney General Edwin mess who actually

840
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:20.960
worked for Brian in the cabinet of
former California Governor Ronald Reagan and later in

841
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:30.840
Reagan's White House. I mean talk
about conspiracy. Earl. Brian began by

842
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:34.399
serving in the Army Medical Corps in
Vietnam before serving for Reagan in California,

843
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:41.439
then had an unsuccessful run for the
Senate in seventy four. Now, the

844
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:45.960
eighties is where his business career takes
In biotech, capital invested in companies developing

845
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:53.279
medical technology, and when biotech turned
into info technology, the focus became news

846
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:59.239
and information services, acquiring, for
example, United Press International in nineteen eighty

847
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:04.640
eight, one of the two major
American news wires of its day. Funny

848
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:11.800
enough, Brian filed for bankruptcy in
nineteen ninety one, and in nineteen ninety

849
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:17.359
five was charged with conspiracy and fraud
for inflating the value of his assets in

850
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:23.840
an attempt to secure loans to show
up the companies. In nineteen ninety six,

851
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:29.279
he was sentenced to four years in
prison and has since died last November

852
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:33.479
actually twenty twenty. His name will
turn up here and there, but it

853
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:39.560
is telling how behaviors from some of
these companies and people are first seen suspicially

854
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.520
when it matters, then get caught
for something just like it years later after

855
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:49.279
they've been exonerated from the Arctopus conspiracy. Funny how that works. The way

856
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:55.399
Brian's story ends, meaning going to
jail for being a dick is similar to

857
01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:59.159
John Philip Nichols for trying to hire
a hitman and was put in jail for

858
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.439
it. Of course, this was
after the damage was done and justice was

859
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:08.880
not found. Now let's get back
to Insai here. So those were the

860
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:14.800
new allegations, and unfortunately the Senate
investigation produced no evidence to support further inquiry

861
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:21.800
through the House Judiciary Committee. Another
investigation began, this time with completely different

862
01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:30.159
allegations. Install had amassed statements and
affid davits from witnesses that supported Hamilton's claims

863
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.760
of biases and conspiracy. The two
key witnesses were Ari Ben Manashi I might

864
01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:41.640
be mispronouncing that, by the way, it's just regularly the name saying Ari

865
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:48.520
Ben Manashi and Michael Kinoshudo and Both
of their accounts supported each other's claims.

866
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:56.439
Rikunoshudo swore that Earlbrien had given him
a copy of Promised eight, which says

867
01:14:56.479 --> 01:15:01.600
that Brian was after insusts products.
Yudo added modifications to the software, but

868
01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:08.039
not menus or not menus or like
things like that he was changing Promise for

869
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:14.920
use by intelligence agencies and law enforcement
worldwide. This is the program that Reconna

870
01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:19.399
Shooter had been working on while on
Cabin's Sun Indian land back in eighty three.

871
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:25.239
The timeline fits very well too,
seeing how Brian wanted to sell this

872
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:30.840
software worldwide, along with the DOJ
fuckery that they were doing to inslaw Ari.

873
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:35.760
Ben Manashi said that the public and
enhanced version of Promise were taken and

874
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:44.119
sold to Israel. Quote Committee investigators
interviewed ben Manashi in May nineteen ninety one,

875
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:48.560
and he told them that Brian sold
Enhanced Promise to both Israeli intelligence and

876
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:56.199
Singapore's armed forces, receiving several million
dollars in payment. He also testified that

877
01:15:56.239 --> 01:16:02.560
Brian sold public domain versions to Iraq
and Jordan. As you may expect,

878
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:08.479
the House Judiciary Committee found no evidence
to support these claims, but they did

879
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:15.279
say this of the DOJ quote.
This clearly raises the specter that the department

880
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:21.479
actions against Install in this matter represent
an abuse of power of shameful proportions unquote.

881
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:27.760
They also used words like trickery,
fraud, and de seed to describe

882
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:33.199
the actions against Install. A Boa
report also yielded no positive results. Despite

883
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:40.560
Inslaw's attempts to refute this, The
Boa report is interesting and if this conspiracy

884
01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:44.600
wasn't so lengthy already, I might
have tackled it. But I do recommend

885
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.239
it as further reading material. How
do you say that again? Report booah

886
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.319
b u A. It's based on
the guy who did it, but it's

887
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.319
like a big deal. For some
reason, they kept calling it the BUA

888
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:58.000
reports. Okay, okay, it's
name of the same. I didn't reach

889
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:03.479
too much into it, but anything, uh you want I mentioned there to

890
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.960
say it? No, I think
I'm okay, yeah, is it too

891
01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:10.560
much? It's a lot. I'm
following, though, I'm following. Yeah,

892
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.159
but you're starting to see it,
right. We're gonna shoot out this

893
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:17.960
in the end and Slaw Yeah,
it's Finn reaching for sure. Yes,

894
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:25.680
sure. Notice how May of nineteen
ninety one is when Ben Manashi gives his

895
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:31.640
testimony a few months before Danny Castilero's
death. You see through Riconoshudo Ari Ben

896
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:36.960
Manashi had met with Castilero for his
Octopus book, and they had allegedly met

897
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:43.039
a day or two before he died
in Martinsburg, West Virginia. I believe

898
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.520
it was mentioned in the Unsolved Mysteries
clip from the Last show. Same thing

899
01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:50.760
goes for Ricon No Shudo. He
testified sometime in late nineteen ninety to early

900
01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:57.199
ninety one and was Castilero's source for
the many forks and branches of the Octopus

901
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.560
conspiracy. They were in constant content
going back to install here. There's a

902
01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:06.119
couple of things I want to mention
that thickens the plot. See that I

903
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:12.119
tease you and I go back to
the topic. So I'm under it now.

904
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:17.520
This following section comes from Cherry Seymour's
book quote in May nineteen eighty eight,

905
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:21.239
just a few months after the Federal
Bankruptcy Court in Washington, d C.

906
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:27.880
Issued fully litigated findings that the Justice
Department had stolen the promised legal case

907
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.359
management software from Inslaw in the early
eighties through trickery, fraud and deceit,

908
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:39.039
and then attempted to drive Inslaw out
of business so the company would be unable

909
01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:45.399
to litigate. Ronald Legrant, the
chief investigator for the State Senate Judiciary Committee,

910
01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:50.840
telephone Hamilton to pass on information from
someone he described as a trusted senior

911
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:57.600
Justice Department career official who had been
in the criminal division of the Justice Department

912
01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:02.920
since the time of the Watergate scandal
under Nixon. Hamilton had recently explained to

913
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:10.159
Lagrant his belief that the Reagan administration
had stolen promise with the intention of using

914
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:15.199
the stolen software as the basis for
the award of a massive Justice Department computerization

915
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:24.119
contract to a friend of the Reagan
administration. The Grant told Hamilton that his

916
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:29.439
source had asked him to tell mister
and missus Hamilton the following quote. Within

917
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:33.880
the quote, what you think happened
did happen? You are not crazy,

918
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:39.560
but you do not know squat about
how dirty the INSLAC case really is.

919
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:44.560
If you ever learn even half of
it, you will be sickened. Inslaw

920
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:49.279
is a lot dirtier for the Department
of Justice and its breadth and depth than

921
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:56.319
Watergate. The Justice Department has been
compromised at every level on the INSLAC case

922
01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:04.800
unquote both ends. Okay, but
someone's just saying this right, So at

923
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:10.520
face value, do we take it? I don't know. Probably what do

924
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:15.680
you think? So I apologized the
longest fucking sentence. Yeah, look what

925
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:21.920
the DJ did to inslaw. I
mean corruption at every level probably mm hmm.

926
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:26.359
Yeah, I'm about to get into
this trusted senior official that I just

927
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:31.439
hyped up through the quote. But
uh yeah, to say things like that

928
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:34.800
that bigger than Watergate. I mean, I mean the Watergate. I know,

929
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:38.560
for people like us, Jay,
I mean our age, we know

930
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:41.520
what water Gate is, although I
think a lot of people my age maybe

931
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:45.840
don't know. I don't know,
but it's a huge thing, for sure,

932
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:48.319
a huge American thing. It's like
a brought down Nixon. Yeah,

933
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:54.039
I mean right, let him crying
and running away in a helicopter. I

934
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:55.760
love watching that clip, by the
way, when he goes into the hell.

935
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:03.239
Okay, continuing on here, that
trusted senior Justice Department official was none

936
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:09.960
other than Elliott Richardson. You know
who desires I don't recognize his name.

937
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:14.279
Okay, here's some modern history for
you. He's the kind of politician,

938
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:17.159
it feels any way to me that
we need more of. He was a

939
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:21.960
lawyer and public servant who's most famous
for two things. His involvement in the

940
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:28.479
Enslaw case defending Bill Hamilton, as
well as was featured in the dad In

941
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:32.520
Cassilliro episode of the Unsolved Mysteries clip
that I used. And he was also

942
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:39.600
attorney US Attorney General. Now,
he was a prominent figure in the Watergate

943
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:45.760
scandal and resigned rather than obeying Nixon's
order to fire the special prosecutor that was

944
01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:48.600
on the case. That's the second
thing. It's famous Artie Rise, That's

945
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:53.760
the first thing. Was Wow,
Okay, So he's like a good guy,

946
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:59.319
I would say. Along with Attorney
General, he also held three additional

947
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:04.159
promi and in positions Secretary of Health, Commerce, and Defense, one of

948
01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:11.840
two people in US history to have
held four cabinet positions. Richardson did a

949
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:16.920
lot to help Hamilton, like writing
letters and propositions to get traction on further

950
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:20.880
investigations, and the fact that his
support carried a lot of weight and washed.

951
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:32.119
Now. One strange roadblock he encountered
was when then Attorney General Richard Thornberg

952
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:39.560
was stonewalling Richardson's letters imploring the need
for further investigation on the actions that were

953
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:45.399
taken against Inslaw. This was shortly
before ninety one before testimonies by Rittannieshudo and

954
01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:51.479
Ben Mnashi were taken, and Richardson
had told Thornberg that it was his duty

955
01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:58.079
to investigate these claims because they had
merit. So he filed a lawsuit against

956
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:02.920
Thornburg in Federal district Court for failing
and refusing to carry out his clear duty

957
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:08.119
in the Inslack case, but that
the ruling stated that the discretion of this

958
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:13.000
decision is up to the prosecution as
to whether or not it wants to investigate,

959
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:17.760
and that there was no legal authority
to intrude. Once those affidavits claiming

960
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:25.840
that promise since the early eighties were
used for various intelligence tracking applications, Richardson

961
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:31.239
sought outside council. This is the
first time I'm mentioning this part. Richardson

962
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:38.680
asked a retired four star general Admiral
Daniel Murphy to review the plausibility of the

963
01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:45.159
claims that covert dispersal or promise were
used for intelligence applications and if he could

964
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:53.119
help explain Attorney General Thurnberg's otherwise inexplicable
failure to enforce the federal criminal laws.

965
01:23:55.039 --> 01:24:00.960
This Admiral Murphy had served as Richardson's
military advisor when he was Secretary of Defense

966
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:05.239
under Nixon, and later had held
two of the top posts in the US

967
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:12.960
intelligence which are Deputy Director of the
CIA under President Ford and Under Secretary of

968
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:18.279
Defense for Intelligence under Carter. President
Carter. Sorry, a reliable expert,

969
01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:23.199
Basically, I mean, this is
a reliable guy, right, I would

970
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:27.479
say so. I'm going to read
the last part of a chapter in Seymour's

971
01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:32.399
book that makes him make this better
and simultaneously worse. We'll see what I

972
01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:40.560
mean. Quote. After reading the
affidavits and the AANSTAS lawsuit against Thornberg,

973
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.039
Murphy told Richardson and Hamilton that he
was sorry to say that there was nothing

974
01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:50.680
implausible about any of the claims,
including the claim by Michael mcginashutto that he

975
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:57.920
had modified promise for US intelligence on
an Indian reservation in southern California, that

976
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.800
the available evidence made it look like
an NSSA operation, that if it were

977
01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:09.479
an NSSA operation, it would explain
Thornberg's behavior because Thornberg would not have needed

978
01:25:09.520 --> 01:25:13.520
to receive a call from the White
house to know that his job was to

979
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.199
stonewall until the cows came home.
Elliott Richison passed away at the end of

980
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:25.239
nineteen ninety nine. In two thousand
and one, Hamilton contacted Admiral Murphy again

981
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:31.760
and gave him an approximately fifty page
Inslaught summary of evidence revealing that the Justice

982
01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:40.359
Department began misappropriating promise in nineteen eighty
two for three separate intelligence projects. One

983
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:46.600
NSA's deployment of promise to banks to
enable NSSA to track wire transfers of money

984
01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:54.640
and letters of credit. Two Israeli
intelligent sales of a trapped door version of

985
01:25:54.760 --> 01:26:01.399
promise to foreign governments so Israel and
the United States could covertly intercept their intelligent

986
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:09.600
secrets. And three the CIA's deployment
or Promise throughout the US government as the

987
01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:16.760
standard data based software for the gathering
and disseminating of US intelligent information. Murphy

988
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:23.840
told Hamilton that the Inslaw summary eliminated
any doubt about what had happened, and

989
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:28.479
that the install case needed to be
settled. He warned Hamilton, however,

990
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:33.800
that government officials would regard it as
their patriotic duty to look Inslaw's lawyer in

991
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:41.279
the eyes and lie, making it
essential that Inslas find another outstanding lawyer like

992
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:48.079
Elliott Richardson to represent the company in
seeking compensation. Shortly before introducing mister and

993
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:55.920
missus Hamilton to see Boyden Gray one
week after the September eleven, two thousand

994
01:26:55.920 --> 01:27:00.119
and one terrorist attacks and asking Gray
to become the John Adams of the instaw

995
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:04.640
case. That's how we put it
wow and represent inslaw, simply because it

996
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:10.359
was the right thing to do.
Murphy said something to Hamilton that Hamilton now

997
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:15.199
suspects. Suspects may have been an
allusion to the use of the NSA bank

998
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:21.439
surveillance version of promise to launder drug
profits. Now drugs are involved, this

999
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:25.520
is still look well, guys,
I'm sorry. In September two thousand and

1000
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:30.439
one, Murphy, who had served
as chief of staff to Vice President Bush

1001
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:36.079
during the first term of the Reagan
administration when the promise misappropriations began, told

1002
01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:42.800
Hamilton that this was his hunch that
there was still another use of promise that

1003
01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:47.279
install had not yet discovered, that
it involves something so seriously wrong that money

1004
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:53.600
alone cannot cure the problem, and
that the government might never compensate inslaw unless

1005
01:27:53.600 --> 01:28:00.920
the company discovers that additional use of
promise. Unfortunately, Admiral Murphy passed away

1006
01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:05.520
suddenly several days later in September twenty
first, two thousand and one, and

1007
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:13.159
Hamilton was never able to obtain clarification
from Murphy where his hunch had originated from

1008
01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:17.720
relative to the other use of promise, that install had not yet discovered,

1009
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:23.760
and we don't know who it was. No. As a PostScript, Bill

1010
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:28.680
Hamilton later mentioned to me that in
retrospect he had come to believe that the

1011
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:33.439
other use of promise involved laundering money
from drug profits. He said he believed

1012
01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:40.000
that the main role of the Cabstan
Wackenhut joint venture was connected to government sanctioned

1013
01:28:40.079 --> 01:28:45.159
drug trafficking and money laundering by organized
crime groups like the Gambino Family and groups

1014
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:50.600
like the Contrast, and that Michael
Wignoschuto's job was to help these groups access

1015
01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:58.039
n essays bank surveillance versions of promise
to launder the proceedings from those drug uses.

1016
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:06.640
Unquote, yeah are you kidding me? Yes? Wow? Yeah?

1017
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:10.840
How so now we got the mafia
pulled in too. I just pulled them,

1018
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.279
I just got them. I just
pulled them out of there the tentacles,

1019
01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.439
So what do you think of the
possibility of that? So just a

1020
01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:23.159
real quick weekcat because I quoted a
lot there and I'm sorry, a lot

1021
01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:27.199
of technical stuff going on here and
it might be hard to whatever and I'm

1022
01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:30.800
trying my best to read it right. But Elliot Richardson, the hot shot,

1023
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.760
good guy lawyer that said, fuck
you next time, I'm not going

1024
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:40.960
to join your Watergate old timer knows
a loud shit, try to help and

1025
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:45.560
stall And when he discovered that the
attorney general basically sum rising, it's forever.

1026
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.520
When you discovered that the attorney general
is at the time Stoneberg was stonewalling

1027
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:54.119
him, he asked an admiral if
an admiral friend of his who knows his

1028
01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.680
shit in the intelligence community, he
had held the top jobs. He was

1029
01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:02.399
holding the top jobs when he asked
about this, like, hey, can

1030
01:30:02.439 --> 01:30:05.560
you read my stuff here, see
if it's plausible and what's going on with

1031
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:10.039
this attorney general like not talking to
me? And he's like, yes,

1032
01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:14.039
it's very plausible that this could be
happening, and it could explain that maybe

1033
01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:18.399
it's an NSSA operation because of the
way he's stonewalling you. Because it's just

1034
01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:25.760
natural or common to stonewall anyone who's
asking questions like that. They don't need

1035
01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:30.720
to say so from the White House
to just say no to you and not

1036
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.479
investigate. And then from there Ellie
Richardson at some point in nineteen ninety nine,

1037
01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:38.760
like I said, he died because
he told a man to just died

1038
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:42.600
from natural causes. And so in
two thousand and one, you know,

1039
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:46.840
inslav Bill Hamilton sent a fifty page
like summary like the way I'm doing the

1040
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.640
show, sent it over to him
to this admiral guy, right, and

1041
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:56.720
this admiral like then he figured out, like, hey, there's some other

1042
01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:59.119
stuff going on here, and this
is the last part that I was talking

1043
01:30:59.119 --> 01:31:02.560
about about the drug angle on the
Monday laundering and all these other the last

1044
01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:05.720
part basically, so I'm just trying
to like timeline it a little bit for

1045
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.319
everyone. But before he could actually
say something really big about it, he

1046
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:15.000
died in just a week or so
after after nine to eleven. Basically,

1047
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:19.840
Wow, yeah, this died suddenly
suddenly, right, we air quoting died

1048
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:23.920
suddenly, or we know that he
just died suddenly. He was already but

1049
01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:29.039
like pretty still kind of suspect I
don't know if those I don't know anything

1050
01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:31.760
about it, like if you had
an autopsy or nothing like that. Sorry

1051
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:38.960
about that one, I guess now. The case continued after that, not

1052
01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:44.239
to mention the many details I gave
hints to or otherwise ignored for the sake

1053
01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:47.920
of time, but I'll save some
of the install's findings in the two thousands

1054
01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:53.079
for the next show. We're not
finished with the eighties and nineties quite yet,

1055
01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:56.760
not by a long shot. Before
I proceed with the next segment,

1056
01:31:57.159 --> 01:32:00.960
I want to talk a little about
Bill Hamilton. This Inslaw section says a

1057
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:06.039
lot about Hamilton that I didn't say
aloud. That he's tenations, tenacious and

1058
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:12.920
the victim of epic monetary and intelligence
abuse by what we're calling the octopus.

1059
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:18.520
Keep in mind that the purpose,
the purpose of this organization, again unofficially,

1060
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:24.239
is to make money, and that
it is those illegal ways to make

1061
01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:28.800
money through companies like Inslaw is what
makes them a group working in unison,

1062
01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:32.880
even if they themselves don't acknowledge it. Remember what I said about at the

1063
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:40.039
top of the show. Conspiracies allow
for derivative liability, where conspirators can also

1064
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:44.560
be punished for the illegal acts carried
out by other members, even if they're

1065
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:48.960
not directly involved. Thus, were
one or more members of the conspiracy committing

1066
01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:54.680
the legal acts to further the conspiracy's
goals. All members of the conspiracy may

1067
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:59.000
be held accountable for those acts.
That's the definition. This is what's happening.

1068
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:02.880
A darker and further reason for the
octopus to exist is that they are

1069
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:10.560
also manipulating current events to suit their
political interests. Think of Wackenhat's politically motivated

1070
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:15.840
stance and how it influenced their clients, their clientele, how promise was being

1071
01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:20.680
sold to foreign countries to potentially spy
on them. This is, of course,

1072
01:33:21.439 --> 01:33:26.800
way before Edward Snowden's whistle blowing on
the NSA for spying on Americans.

1073
01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.680
Good point, how long have they
been doing it? Jesus? How long

1074
01:33:30.680 --> 01:33:35.439
have they been trying, succeeding and
failing. You know, Hamilton is fighting

1075
01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:41.359
the ocean here, meaning he probably
will not win, but he's one of

1076
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:45.319
the main reasons we are here today
as well. He was Cherry Seymour's source

1077
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:48.960
for her twenty year in the Making
book that I've been quoting this whole time.

1078
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:54.560
He spoke to Rachel Begley, the
daughter of one of the victims in

1079
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:59.560
California's triple murders. That made her
a believer of the octopus and led it

1080
01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:02.159
fail to face to her dad's killer. At least one of them, you

1081
01:34:02.199 --> 01:34:08.520
know, Jimmy Hughes. Jimmy Hughes, right Hamilton, and Danny Casilera played

1082
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:14.119
chess over the phone for Fok's sake. I mentioned that was so not This

1083
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:18.199
connection led to prominent government figures like
Elliott Richardson to speak up for Castilero when

1084
01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:24.920
he was found dead in ninety one. Everything is connected here when he was

1085
01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:32.720
found suicided. Yeah, everything is
connected here. So we're saying the octopus

1086
01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:38.800
is the NSA. No, but
it's one of them maybe, like a

1087
01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:43.920
long time. I don't know.
I would say no. If you're asking

1088
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:45.079
me point blank what do I think
based on everything I read, I would

1089
01:34:45.079 --> 01:34:49.600
say no, Okay, I'm still
putting the pieces together, trying to figure

1090
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:53.399
it out, you know. Okay, it's the hierarchy either, I don't

1091
01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:57.359
think you know, it's like,
okay, we's going a way on party

1092
01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:00.560
in that one. Sure, sure, Okay, I'm just hope the listeners

1093
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:01.640
are doing the same thing. I
am. It's just trying to put the

1094
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:08.960
pieces figure out who I hope,
yeah, hopefully it's possible. All right,

1095
01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:14.159
Now the third segment here I'm going
to start. It's called Michael Wikonahudo

1096
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:17.640
Rick in the Shooto. Now,
this might be the best time to bring

1097
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:26.800
Casilero's other prime source, Michael Wikanashudo. Through a man named Jeff Steinberg,

1098
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:30.319
Bill Hamilton was put in touch with
Weakna Shudo on May eighteenth, nineteen ninety.

1099
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:35.119
This was when Hamilton was told of
the starling dimensions of insaus case.

1100
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:42.520
This covert player told Hamilton how Promise
was stolen from him and how he personally

1101
01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:47.640
modified Promise whilst while being you know, research director of a joint venture of

1102
01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:54.640
the Cabinston Indian Tribe through Wagen Hut
quote we kinda shoot or revealed that part

1103
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:59.279
of his job and the modification of
the software had been to create a backdoor

1104
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:05.039
access for spying into the files of
its users. These users included Great Britain,

1105
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:13.279
South Korea, Japan, Jordan,
Canada, Israel, Egypt, and

1106
01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:19.319
Iraq. Holy shit, Bill Hamilton
tally the figure at as many as eighty

1107
01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:27.079
eight countries for use in such activities
as the tracking of terrorists. According to

1108
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:33.960
Rikanashudo, Attorney General Edwin mess had
provided Promise to doctor Earl Bryan and Peter

1109
01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:40.840
Vidnix from the Department of Justice,
who had then supervised the Wagen hut kavasan

1110
01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:46.640
project to copy the program. That's
a wild ass shit, it really since

1111
01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:51.760
mister stars say eighty eight. It's
like the crazy eighty eight right, I

1112
01:36:51.800 --> 01:37:00.439
mean that's okay, it really yeah, yeah right. Kona Shooda was very

1113
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:06.520
impressed by the functionality of the program. Harry Martin tech journalists tested an Israeli

1114
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:14.319
software package which utilized Promised and marveled
its ability to deal with a complete military

1115
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:19.520
structure, meaning the numbers and the
details. Promise wasn't the only bombshell he

1116
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:25.560
dropped on Hamilton, though. Through
many phone conversations he talked about the Cabison

1117
01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:31.560
Wackenhut a venture and production of advanced
weaponry like biological weapons and facts which are

1118
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:39.279
fuel air explosives We're gonna shoot.
Also had wild claims that there were that

1119
01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:45.479
were more difficult to corroborate, though
some kind of did. He claimed he

1120
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:51.880
and O'Brien were involved in the October
Surprise conspiracy as well as the Nugan Handbank

1121
01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:58.079
scandal, which involved some very shady
people. That one has shady shit.

1122
01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:01.960
This is interesting because if a figure
like Wick in a shootout is to be

1123
01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:08.800
believed, then he has a treasure
trobe of information that appeals to conspiracy theorists,

1124
01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:12.680
but also works as a double edged
sword for the rest of the world

1125
01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:16.560
as they find it hard to believe
such allegations. What do you think have

1126
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:21.159
you heard of those handbank? Not
the not the newgen Hambank, but the

1127
01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:30.399
September Surprise October Oh god, look
only off by one my computer class.

1128
01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:36.920
You're looking at the fucking web.
Callari the October Surprise. Okay, history,

1129
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:44.800
don't laugh. Was that was that
with Reagan? I'm gonna say yes.

1130
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:49.600
Is that when hostages were released?
Yes? Pretty good? Wow?

1131
01:38:50.239 --> 01:38:56.520
You you old? You old?
That's I'm right, that's true so far.

1132
01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:00.279
You're right? I mean, right, doggie? Were they Yeah?

1133
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:06.119
Olympians? Oh No, I don't
think so that much. I don't think

1134
01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:13.960
so. It was this conspiracy behind
that was that Reagan had the ability to

1135
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:18.920
get the hostages out, but he
held it until Wow, pretty good after

1136
01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:24.159
he became president or during his election
something like that. Yeah, to help

1137
01:39:24.279 --> 01:39:27.439
almost got it. I'm not gonna
tell you because it's something for later,

1138
01:39:27.520 --> 01:39:30.800
but I did want to mention that
as one of his one of weaken to

1139
01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:35.520
shoot those wilder allegations. But like
I said, they also hold merit,

1140
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:41.520
and I mentioned the two that kind
of do whole merit on purpose. I'm

1141
01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:44.680
moving a web here, guys.
But yeah, Jay's basically right. Shut

1142
01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:46.720
it up, guys. It's pretty
crazy. Also, not that long ago

1143
01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:54.000
a conspiracy if you if you're worried
about that, oh god, okay.

1144
01:39:55.680 --> 01:40:00.880
By late nineteen ninety, Hamilton had
told Danny Kasseler all of about Ricona Shooto

1145
01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:05.520
Casilera became very intrigued and started looking
into him. Here's some of what he

1146
01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:12.000
found and what's actually true Abricona Shooter's
background. He had demonstrated some technical and

1147
01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:17.760
scientific talents. The following was originally
published in The Village Voice quote Ricono Shooter

1148
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:23.000
was a gifted child. When he
was just ten years old, Michael wired

1149
01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:30.359
his parents neighborhoods parents neighborhood with a
working private telephone system that undercut Mabel.

1150
01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:33.359
That's why he wrote to Mabel ten
years old. Yeah, the ten years

1151
01:40:33.359 --> 01:40:41.560
old that was eating worms out of
the dirt. That's why. That's why

1152
01:40:41.600 --> 01:40:46.800
we're pleabs. That's why. In
the eighth grade he won a science fair

1153
01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:51.600
with a model for a three dimensional
sonar system. By the time he was

1154
01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:57.239
a teenager, he had won so
many science first with exhibits of laser technology

1155
01:40:57.560 --> 01:41:02.640
that he was invited to be a
summer researchers at Stanford University. Doctor Arthur

1156
01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:09.199
Shallow, a Nobel laureate, remembers
him quote within the quote, you don't

1157
01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:17.039
forget a sixteen year old youngster who
shows up his own argon laser unquote unquote

1158
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:19.239
both ends. By the way,
that's a real unquote. I can't know

1159
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:25.199
how to do this fucking sighting shit. Sorry, getting excited here. Some

1160
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:29.079
time after leaving Stanford University, we
canna shoot a one to work in an

1161
01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:33.760
underground newspaper in San Francisco, where
he had acquired some photos which showed a

1162
01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:40.319
narcotics agent having sex with an underage
girl. Oh, this was printed in

1163
01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:44.720
a newspaper and we can Ishudo said
that this led him to being framed on

1164
01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:48.439
drug charges, which led to a
two year prison sentence in nineteen seventy three

1165
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:56.760
for manufacturing psychedelic drugs. Cassilero didn't
believe this though, this whole frame up

1166
01:41:56.800 --> 01:42:00.479
thing, and he questioned other claims, but still found his connections to Install

1167
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:05.680
to be worth the look. Cassilero
never wrote it down, but I and

1168
01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:12.159
others, other conspiracy theorists, I
mean, and journalists I've gone the impression

1169
01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:16.680
that he thought we're gonna SHOOTO tended
to embellish quite a bit. His sentence

1170
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:19.560
was true, to be sure,
it is to your sentence, I mean,

1171
01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:25.039
and it did affect the later endeavors
for him. But whether or not

1172
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:29.920
he was a frame up as were
Kessellro doesn't really believe so much. Quote

1173
01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:36.239
One excerpt from the eleven page letter
referred to a meeting in May nineteen eighty

1174
01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:43.119
one at the US Army installation at
Dover, New Jersey, between Robert Frye,

1175
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:47.399
vice president of Wackenhut in Indio,
Michael Ricinashudo, John P. Nichols,

1176
01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:53.880
which is the Cabiston administrator, Peter
Zokowski, former president of Armtech in

1177
01:42:53.960 --> 01:43:00.920
Indio, which produced conbustible cartridges cases
in the Army, and doctor Harry Fair,

1178
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:06.720
the Army's league engineer on the railgun
project at Picatinny Arsenal. Like that

1179
01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:14.960
pic Canon noted that Wegna Shudo and
several army personnel conducted an extensive and highly

1180
01:43:15.720 --> 01:43:23.000
technical theoretical blackboard exercise on the railgun, and afterwards, doctor Fair commented that

1181
01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:28.279
he was extremely impressed with we Canna
Shudo's scientific and technical knowledge in this matter.

1182
01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:35.680
Cannon further wrote doctor Fair had apparently
been apprized by Nichols that Riconashuda had

1183
01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:43.039
been convicted and served time for stabbing
a DEEA agent whom he propotedly caught in

1184
01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:48.960
bed with Kunashudo's wife. Doctor Fair
had had commented that we Canna Shuda will

1185
01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:55.079
probably not be able to ever get
a government security clearance because of his past,

1186
01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:59.479
but it would be a shame if
we can Ashudo, whom he termed

1187
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:04.960
a potent national resource, could not
be used for military research projects in his

1188
01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:13.159
field of expertise. Now, I
couldn't get the arrest report at anything like

1189
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:17.000
that. But my understanding, since
the majority of this quote comes from doctor

1190
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:21.520
Fair, it's likely that he was
told that we can issue it was charged

1191
01:44:21.560 --> 01:44:27.840
for stabbing a federal officer, not
that it was for manufacturing drugs. I

1192
01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:31.720
do not know why this lie or
potential lie was given to doctor fair to

1193
01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:36.520
then have it be written in this
report that I'm quoting only that I assume

1194
01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:42.279
it's either to make we can issue
the more threatening or easier to work than

1195
01:44:42.319 --> 01:44:46.279
a drug addict. Who can say, what do you think it is conflicting

1196
01:44:46.479 --> 01:44:51.680
evidence? Well, yeah, for
sure, I don't know what to think.

1197
01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.159
No, right, I know,
But who can say that's had to

1198
01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:57.840
be mentioned and that I don't know? Also, it's good to know what

1199
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I don't know, right right,
Okay, But Casslero thought this was a

1200
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:09.319
shady character, didn't you, Oh, like, you know, an embellisher,

1201
01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:13.319
a lace or something like like stoking
too much? Okay, Again,

1202
01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:15.239
he doesn't say like that ever,
ever, not that I've ever read it

1203
01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:19.439
or his friends say about it.
I mean, I'm about to say,

1204
01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:23.680
right now, let me get to
the next quest. Yeah, I to

1205
01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:29.560
absolutely explain something. Cassilero's eyes were
open when he and Hamilton discussed these connections,

1206
01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:33.520
but they were open wider in nineteen
eighty one by what Reconnaisuda was saying.

1207
01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:40.560
For example, a contact of his
by the name of Alan Standorff said

1208
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:45.680
he worked at a secret military electronics
listening post in Virginia and managed to supply

1209
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:55.079
Castelero with classified information regarding the Instock
case. Many stipulate that those papers were

1210
01:45:55.119 --> 01:46:00.840
among what when missing from his hotel
room when he died. Among the many

1211
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:04.840
papers, Bill Hamilton and Danny Casilero
convinced we can a shootout to tell his

1212
01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:09.479
story on the record, which we
know we know by now that he did.

1213
01:46:10.720 --> 01:46:14.439
On March twenty first, nineteen ninety
one, he filed a sworn affidavid

1214
01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:18.800
on the Inslack case, and it
provides a toe hold for Castilero's research.

1215
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:23.960
I'm going to read a good portion
of the affidavid, but not all of

1216
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:31.439
it because it's long. Quote I
Michael J. Vignaeshudo being duly sworn to

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01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:38.079
hereby state as follows one. During
the early eighties, I served as director

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01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:43.159
of research for a joint venture between
the Wackenhout Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida

1219
01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:47.199
and the Cabizon Band of Mission Indians, California. In Indio, California.

1220
01:46:47.479 --> 01:46:54.399
The joint venture was located on the
Reservation three. The Cabison Band of Indians

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01:46:54.399 --> 01:46:58.880
are a sovereign nation. The sovereign
immunity that is accorded to Cabizons as a

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01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:03.399
consequence of this fact made it feasible
to pursue on the reservation the development and

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01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:11.359
or manufacturer of materials whose development or
manufacturer would be subject to stringent controls off

1224
01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:16.159
the reservation. As a minority group, the Cabson Indians also provided the Wakeenhout

1225
01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:24.840
Corporation with an enhancedability to obtain federal
contracts through the eight A Set Aside program

1226
01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:30.960
and in connection with government owned contract
operated facilities. Four. The waken Hut

1227
01:47:31.000 --> 01:47:35.720
Cabson Joint Venture was intended to support
the needs of a number of foreign governments

1228
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:41.840
and forces, including forces and governments
in Central America and the Middle East.

1229
01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:48.039
The contrast in Nicarawa represented one of
the most important priorities for the joint venture.

1230
01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:57.319
Five. The Wakenhut Cabison Joint Venture
maintained close liaison with certain elements of

1231
01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:03.439
the United States government, including representatives
of intelligence, military, and law enforcement

1232
01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:12.279
agencies. Six. Among the frequent
visitors of the Wagenhout Tabazon Joint Venture were

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01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:16.000
Peter Videnis of the US Department of
Justice in Washington, d C. And

1234
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:21.800
a close associate of Vidinics by the
name of Earl W. Bryan. Brian

1235
01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:27.600
is a private businessman who lives in
Maryland and who has maintained close business ties

1236
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:33.720
with the US intelligence community for many
years. Nine. Some of the modifications

1237
01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:43.000
that I made were specifically designed to
facilitate the implementation of Promise within two agencies

1238
01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:48.000
of the Government of Canada, the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Canadian Security

1239
01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:54.039
and Intelligence Services. Earl W.
Bryan would check with me from time to

1240
01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:58.640
time to make certain that the work
could be completed in time to satisfy the

1241
01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:05.399
schedule for the use Canadian Intelligence Services. Ten. The proprietary versions of Promise

1242
01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:13.479
as modified by me, was in
fact implemented in both the RCNP and the

1243
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:16.920
CSIS in Canada. Those are the
acronyms. Sorry, guys, that's the

1244
01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:24.640
acronym for the agencies I just mentioned
that are long. It was my understanding

1245
01:49:24.680 --> 01:49:28.720
that Earl W. Bryant had sold
this version of Promise to the Government of

1246
01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:34.640
Canada. Eleven. In February nineteen
ninety one, I had a telephone conversation

1247
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:40.760
with Peter Windnix, then still employed
by the US Department of Justice. Bidden

1248
01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:45.960
Nicks attempted during this telephone conversation to
persuade me not to cooperate with an independent

1249
01:49:46.000 --> 01:49:54.279
investigation of the government's piracy of INSLAS
proprietary promise software being conducted by the Committee

1250
01:49:54.479 --> 01:50:00.479
on the Judiciary US House of Representatives. Twelve. Vidinnick stated that I will

1251
01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:04.640
be rewarded for a decision not to
cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation.

1252
01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:14.039
With the Nicks forecasted an immediate and
favorable resolution of a protracted child custody dispute

1253
01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:18.800
being prosecuted against my wife by her
former husband if I were to decide not

1254
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:29.359
to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee
investigation thirteen. Winnick also outlines specific punishments

1255
01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:33.199
that I could expect to receive from
the US Department of Justice if I cooperated

1256
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:44.760
with the House Judiciary Committee's investigation.
Those specific punishments was involving Grignnaeshudo and his

1257
01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:49.119
father in a criminal prosecution of business
associates in Orange County, California. Another

1258
01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:56.880
punishment Withinicks threatened is perjury by the
DOJ, saying that credible witnesses would would

1259
01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:00.720
come forward to contradict any damaging claims
he would make. Wow, it was

1260
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:04.880
easier to parify the last few parts
there, and you know, and the

1261
01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:09.399
ones that I skipped earlier were Basically
things are covered already on the show,

1262
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:13.720
so let's skip the little thing here. Yeah, within eight days of this

1263
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:18.760
testimony, guess what happened? His
guests, he's gonna give you a little

1264
01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:24.479
bit of give you a little bit. Really happened within eight days of this

1265
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:31.079
testimony, this Affidavid, I don't
I don't know. Michael vickinna shooter was

1266
01:51:31.159 --> 01:51:38.640
arrested for conspiracy to manufacture, conspiracy
to distribute, possession within tent to distribute,

1267
01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:43.880
and with distribution a total of ten
counts related to method vetamin and methadone.

1268
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:50.479
What mm hmm bogus? I think
bogus or at least partly his claims

1269
01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:56.439
of being framed went on deaf years, obviously, and spent the grand majority

1270
01:51:56.439 --> 01:52:00.359
of his time as a source for
people like Cassillaro, Hamilton and Seymour behind

1271
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:08.439
bars. It should go without saying
that this charge damaged his credibility with the

1272
01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:15.439
enslack case. Mm hm. This
is from Seymour quote. For three months,

1273
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:18.239
we can shoot a call daily from
the Pierce County Jail in Tacoma,

1274
01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:23.760
Washington. At his request, I
attach a tape recorder to my phone and

1275
01:52:23.920 --> 01:52:30.000
unraveled a complicated web of illegal overseas
arm shipments, espionage, CIA, drug

1276
01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:35.479
trafficking, biological warfare, development,
computer software, theft, money laundering,

1277
01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:46.079
and corruption at the highest levels of
government. Mm hmm wow. Yeah,

1278
01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:50.239
like, what do you even say? I don't know what to say,

1279
01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:57.319
you know, now? Yeah,
I mean the great thing about it is

1280
01:52:57.319 --> 01:52:59.640
that, Okay, as I mentioned
this, bar, I didn't write this.

1281
01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:01.119
It's not a script. None of
this isn't the script what I'm about

1282
01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:05.439
to say. So every time I
mentioned there's a bunch of times in this

1283
01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:11.520
show, and in the last show
I quoted or have myself have paraphrased versions,

1284
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:17.680
paraphrase versions of the information that leads
into a list of shit of illegal

1285
01:53:17.800 --> 01:53:21.960
things. Yeah, this is like
my eighth time probably where I mentioned here,

1286
01:53:23.039 --> 01:53:26.960
I just recorded real quick at his
request, I attach a tape recorder

1287
01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.039
to my phone. Right, unraveling
a complicated web of illegal overseas here comes

1288
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:34.960
a list army shipments, espionage,
CIA, dog trafficking, biological work Where

1289
01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:39.960
all this stuff that I'm saying,
there's like I've said so many different ones

1290
01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:45.079
and yet some of them are the
same. And by now I'm hoping that

1291
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:46.640
you're trying to see like, oh, I know that one. I don't

1292
01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:48.720
know that one. I know that
one. I don't know that one.

1293
01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:54.039
I know that And that's the point. Wow, I'm trying to like get

1294
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:56.920
you. Like it's the first time
I said this in the very first opening

1295
01:53:56.960 --> 01:54:00.760
of the first show, last show, you have no idea what how is

1296
01:54:00.159 --> 01:54:04.119
all this involved? And by now
you know half of it? That's right,

1297
01:54:04.720 --> 01:54:06.760
And that's kind of the point.
That's why I keep calling these people

1298
01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:10.239
and the way that I'm doing it. Hopefully that's coming across. I'm just

1299
01:54:10.359 --> 01:54:15.039
pulling it now because it might be
too subtle anyway, because by now,

1300
01:54:15.079 --> 01:54:16.680
you know, say, drug trafficking, Okay, we did mention that earlier.

1301
01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:20.079
That could be something biological warfare,
well, yeah, the fucking Cabizon

1302
01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:25.399
thing, computer software, fucking promise
right there, money laundering. We don't

1303
01:54:25.399 --> 01:54:28.960
know everything yet, but it was
mentioned, right, so you know things

1304
01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:31.560
like that. So it's just amazing, right, I mean, at the

1305
01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:34.159
beginning of the show, you had
no idea what half of that ment Now

1306
01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:40.840
you know half of it. So
anyway, so that is Michael. We

1307
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:45.560
can shoot a section, but his
influence on this case is far from over

1308
01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:49.159
because of those crazy allegations he made
There's going to be more from him.

1309
01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:54.880
In Part three, between wacken Hut
and the Astack case, we covered a

1310
01:54:54.920 --> 01:55:00.000
great portion of what Danny Kessler was
searching and researching, and if you believe

1311
01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:04.920
if he was murdered, is what
eventually led to his death. Unfortunately,

1312
01:55:05.000 --> 01:55:12.560
at best we're only halfway covering everything
will actually result in a book or two,

1313
01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:16.640
and that's not me. There are
prominent names to spill in further details

1314
01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:19.079
on the ones that brought up,
for sure, but I can't write no

1315
01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:26.720
book. So now I've teased how
drugs comes into this earlier, But what's

1316
01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:31.840
the bigger picture here? Whatever you
think, hopefully is what I get to

1317
01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:38.600
do. Two sections were left out
of the original outlet. This is to

1318
01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:42.720
have a meteor part like a media
Part three, but also because I need

1319
01:55:42.760 --> 01:55:46.720
further understanding to write a better segment. Expect to find some connections to the

1320
01:55:46.720 --> 01:55:53.039
Reagan administration, like how Reagan won
the election, to the Iron Contra scandal.

1321
01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:58.640
Expect a look into the BCCI scandal, which involved millions of dollars in

1322
01:55:58.760 --> 01:56:04.800
many countries. I will also talk
about the lesser reported and strange deaths of

1323
01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:11.439
people either involved in the octopus or
trying to expose it. This goes hand

1324
01:56:11.479 --> 01:56:15.520
in hand will do with We canna
shoot those allegations as well. Lastly,

1325
01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:20.520
I will be exploring the origins of
this organization, what people called it before

1326
01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:27.720
Danny Cassillro named it, and how
much deeper it all goes. Join us

1327
01:56:27.760 --> 01:57:01.399
again next time for the octopus tendrils.