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Hello, and welcome to episode forty
two of Game Spot after Dark, Game

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Spot's official video game podcast. I'm
your host, Jake Decker, and joining

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me this week is Lucy James,
Hello, Callie plaguey Hi, and Tamore

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who's sang Hello there. How are
y'all doing good? You know, let

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me out, let me out.
We've had a fair share of technical difficulties

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getting this going, but we are
here and we are now going. Hell

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yeah, it's been it's been like
a week of tech difficulties. But you

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know what, I'm just thankful that
Oh no, it's fixable. It's not

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the end of the world. If
we biff something, well, it might

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be close to the end of the
world, but fact rip anyway, that's

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a way to start a podcast.
Sorry. Wow, absolutely brought it down

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by talking about the saying that we
are we might be close to the end

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of the world, but in way, anyway, let's talk about video games.

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Kelly, how's that stamp rally gone? It's going. I've seen a

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lot of people talking about how the
stamp rally is boring and stupid and animal

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crossing. I was gonna say we
should clarify animal crossing. Stamp rally started

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Monday, correct, Yes, for
International Museum Day, and like with the

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other events in New Horizons, they
span more than just the day. I

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like the stamp Rally, like like
it's definitely for kids, right, It's

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it's not like a super involved event. I thought may Day was really clever

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because May Day was like a puzzle
that you could solve the stamp rally for

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International Museum Days just going through the
exhibits and collecting stamps. But it is

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very jap knees. It reminds me
so much doing touristy things in Japan,

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and like I tweeted that, like
when I was in Japan last year at

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the Tokyo Skytree, there was this
like special Barbie exhibit and there were stamps.

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There was like a stamp thing and
stamp stations for the Barbie exhibit.

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We've lost ham just keep going.
If that happens, I think it's discord

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not anything on my end, like
it just froze for a second. But

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yeah, so I thought it was
like a cute way to celebrate International Museum

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Day and get you to go through
your museum if you hadn't in a while.

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And I had it and I was
able to go through and be like,

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Okay, there's two fossils I'm missing. Oh, I didn't realize i'd

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put fish in that tank. I
like, the last time I was in

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here, there were no fish in
that tank. So I thought it was

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a cute, cute, a little
event. I mean, not every event

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has to be Bunny Day where it
takes over your whole life. So yeah,

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I want to check it out.
I haven't done it yet. I've

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been hard at work playing other things
currently, but it seems it seems neat

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like it seems like a fun little
thing to do, especially like I feel

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like people are still playing Animal Crossing
anyway, and it seems just like a

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nice diversion to head in there,
check things out, maybe learn a thing

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or two learning in my video games. No, I feel bad because,

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like I see all the tweets a
buy, but I've fully fallen off Animal

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Crossing now. I think it's because
I'm spending so much time playing Persona.

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It's like you get one game to
donate all my time too. I'm not

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very good at going between two,
but I like the I'm still people are

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making incredible things in it and bringing
it and I enjoy seeing them on my

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timeline and videos and stuff. But
like I didn't even know Museum Day was

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going on because I've just been I'm
just out of it now. Yeah,

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I feel like they probably isn't enough
to bring people back in, and to

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be honest, like I'm kind of
like you. Right now, I'm playing

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a JRPG, so I don't really
have time to play Animal Crossing, but

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I'm kind of waiting for the next
big update, I guess. Yeah,

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yeah, I mean the prizes aren't
super exciting, but the nice thing is

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you can get multiple because the stamp
stations change every day, so like I

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could collect multiple and like give them
to friends who weren't playing or whatever.

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But I mean, I don't know. I played New Leaf every day for

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like a year and a half,
and I played I played Wild World every

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day for at least two years.
So I really like Animal Crossing it as

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part of my lifestyle. Yeah,
so I will just continue. I will

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continue to play Animal Crossing every single
day and check the store, check my

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turn of prices and do all of
that stuff. And it is hard because

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there are other games that I now
I just want to play but need to

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play, so but I you know, I'm putting a lot of time into

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terrorforming now, so that's fine.
How about you. It's more it sounds

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like you're doing some exercise. Yeah, I was kinda like I put ring

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fit in there. But I just
want to say that game is ingenious,

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Like it's every time I play,
I'm like, this is a unbelievable application

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of gaming into exercise. It's so
good. It's the best they've any I

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think anyone has ever melded those two
things together. So I played a bit

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of that. I downloaded ac Origins
because Jordan from our editorial team tweeted that

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you could get some DLC The Curse
of the Pharaoh's Tomb or something like that,

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and it basically makes you makes your
hit and blade and headshots with arrows

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one hit kills, which is how
I prefer to play, like I like

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the old hit and blade where you'd
insta kills. So I was like,

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all right, I'm going to do
that. So I haven't actually started doing

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that. Honestly, I'm mostly playing
Persona. I'm playing. I'm fifty five

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hours sixty hours into it now.
That's my main thing that I'm currently playing,

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and I'm really loving it. But
I also kind of want to get

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through it so I can start my
Yakuso replay, which I'm very excited for.

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I started like dipping into Yo because
of Zero from the Middle again.

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I was like, you know what, I'm just going to start all over

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again and do the entire series.
So that's my plan. And I'm watching

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Jake play blood Born Jake and Matt
Paget. That's my main form of gaming

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now, Yeah, mostly Matt playing, but I've been playing alongside him just

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to see what's ahead of him.
But he's about to face off against the

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final boss. But I guess I'll
just transition what I've been doing. But

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I finally did Old Hunters DLC,
which I got right when it came out.

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I played blood Borne a ton when
it came out, which I think

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I've said on the podcast, but
for some reason, I just never went

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back for Old Hunters. Finally did
it, and man, am I mad

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at myself. I waited this long
because it is good. Some of the

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I think some of my favorite bosses
in the game are in that DLC.

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The only one I don't like,
which I don't think it's surprising, Like

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I don't really think you're supposed to
like the boss named the Living Failures,

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which is a great name, but
like all of them were so good.

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I I was super stoked because I
beat the final boss I almost beat in

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my first try, the Orphan of
Costs, yeah, which I mean that

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was kind of fluke because I almost
beating my first trine. Then he kicked

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my ask a couple of times.
But man, I think that's generally how

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it's supposed to go. Like I
my first time, we've often enough,

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cause I almost beat him. I
was like, oh and then just he

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turns on. It turns on,
and it's like, oh, okay,

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you were just lulling me into a
full sense of security. But it's that

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that is probably well. I don't
want to I don't want to say who

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the middle? How far are you
into it? Lucy God, I haven't

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played it in over two months?
What was it was the last boss you

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for? I think it was Ludwig
beat Lovely Okay, the boss after that,

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which I won't ruin in the in
the town and I know who it

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is, okay, yeah, yeah, it's the Lady, Yeah, Lady

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Maria. The Lady Maria. Boss
fight is like one of my favorites in

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that Hole's game and it's basically the
foundation for Securo, Like that entire game

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is that was them figuring out Securo
in that DLC. I definitely got that

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impression fighting her. It's like,
well, this is this is a secural

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boss, Like I need to get
ready to block encounter. Yeah, but

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obviously I'm just dodging. That's what
I love about from software games, like

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if you pay attention to the game
that you're playing made by them, you

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can probably find the seed of the
next game in there. And for me,

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the one that I think that has
been the seed for the next game

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coming is Castle Canehurst and Eldon Ring. I think those two are going to

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be connected where it's just far off, you know, area that you go

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into that feels completely different from the
rest of the game and it's almost like

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stylistically distinct. I think that's going
to be where Olden Ring is, where

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you're just going from kingdom to kingdom
and getting these mythical artifacts to do this

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one thing. But everyone is going
to feel different, like one I'll feel

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like Securo, one I'll feel like
Dark Soil, the one I'll feel like

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blood Born. Yeah. I wonder
if not to get to off topic here,

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but I wonder if they'll kind of
incorporate the play styles of Dark Souls,

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Securo, and blood Born into like
building your class, because like Dark

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Souls definitely lean pretty heavy into what
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and even blood Born did that to
some extent, but then Securo was very

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much like this is how you're going
to play this game. But I'm curious

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if elden Ring will kind of embrace
these different styles in terms of what class

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you decide to play, if that's
even a thing, or if they're just

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going to go down like this is
how you should be playing this game,

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which I don't think based on that
teaser and the rumors, what is like,

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what's the what was the big rumor
from last year about the horses.

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Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna
be riding horses. I know about em.

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I'd love to ride around that world
on Ludwig the Horse. I'm really

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wanting to finish Securo. I want
to go back to it. Yes to

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The last thing I did was Blazing
Bull and I had a bad time.

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It was really rap. But I've
been I've been watching this Uh it's not

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Japanese, but I've been watching a
Korean show on Netflix and it's a it's

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the same around the same time period
as Securos when it's set. So I've

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been I've been titching to play like
a historical game. It's called Kingdom and

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it's like in Korean take on Western
zombie fiction. But I don't really like

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the zombie stuff. They're kind of
like fast zombies, and I'm kind of

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like now and Fast zombies. They're
like twenty eight days later zombies. But

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the political intrigue in the Just and
Eric Korea is really interesting. What you're

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watching it on? Where is it? It's on Netflix? Oh, because

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I remember starting it, but that
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know if it was so. Yeah, I was gonna say, did you

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ever watch Empresses in the Palace?
A Chinese historical drama that took over for

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a month me Sarah who used to
work in our UK office, and I

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became obsessed with Empresses in the Palace
because it's basically just like historical bitches.

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Got very into but I never finished
it because but like it's very good.

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For a while it was all about
concubines and you know, speaking of historical

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bitches and Concubines. You should definitely
watch The Handmaiden. I have so good

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So I saw that in the UK, they do a thing called Secret Cinema

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where you basically it's an interactive theater
thing and there are loads of actors and

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actresses and for The Handmaiden one you
have to us up and it's all themed.

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All the guests you're not allowed to
speak, so you you sat down

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and had dinner together and everyone just
had to bring a pad of paper and

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was just completely silent. Then they
show the film and then they re enact

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some of the scenes, and they
re enacted some of the scenes. I

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saw some nude people on that stage. It's very good anyway, that that

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movie is really good. But I
know exactly the sene you're talking about,

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which I did not expect to see. That was very good. Anyway,

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that was the four in cinema break. I mean, if you want to

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say, go into what I've been
doing, it actually kind of flows very

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well. I've been watching historical bitches. I've been watching The Great Mom wanted

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to watch that's so good. Yes, did you watch The Favorite? Yeah,

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so it's one of the it's the
guy who co wrote The Favorite and

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it's all about Catherine the Great.
Is there less vomit in the show than

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in the Favorite? Episode four?
You're not going to have a good time

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this vomitings. I'm just picturing like
people from that era. But it's that

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scene from a Family Guy where everyone
drinks that. Yeah, and there's just

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vomiting, but it's all like people
dressed in royal outfit. That's what the

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Favorite felt like to me. I
still liked it though. It's very,

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very good, very funny. Nicholas
Holt it plays Pizza the Emperor and Elfanny

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Nicholas Holt of that zombie movie Fame. Oh my god, I forgot he

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was in that one. I was
going to say from about Thank McCoy.

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Hank McCoy and el Fanning plays Catherine. She's incredible, And then I made

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myself sad because she's only twenty two, and I was like, how is

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she this? Like she's so good
in it. Her comedic timing is perfect,

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but she also has the poise and
grace of sort of like an aristocrat.

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And I was like, oh my
god, she's twenty two. Her

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skin is also unbelievable. But yeah, it's very funny and it's like,

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even though it's set in Russia,
it's really British, Like they throw the

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C word around all the time,
which is a brit concubine. What's it

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on Hulu? So it's Hulu over
here. I don't know if or how

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the UK is gonna get it.
Probably player, maybe, I hope.

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So it's really good. I've been
devouring it and I very much recommend that

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you watch it. Avatar the Last
Amendo is now on Netflix. Yes,

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essential viewing for if you are a
human on Earth. You need to watch

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that show. The best TV show
ever made. I love it so much.

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Do you want to tell them about
our unfortunate slack conversation about Avatar?

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Oh my god, I think you
should tell them, because you're the problem

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with it. I'm the problem messagery
the other day, very earnestly, like

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you know, when you really want
to reckon, you know, when you

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know someone's going to love something and
you just what you want them to,

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like to just receive your earnest recommendation
properly, because you're like, I know

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this person, I know for a
fact that they're gonna watch this and they're

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gonna it's gonna change their life and
they're gonna love it. So I sent

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Lucy a message and that's where the
story begins. I'm trying to find it.

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I want to see it if it
is as bad as I remember,

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because I just like completely shout on
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here, here I go. Avatar
came out on Netflix today. You

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should check it out. My immediate
response was shite mate, and then he

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said this is a quiet, humble
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the anime. I thought you meant
the two thousand and nine James Cameron.

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You probably murdered some more by calling
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my heart it broke. It's true. That's how my mom replies to things

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shiite shpe pet ship pet And I
accidentally too, and I felt so bad

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anyway, Avatars def it is it's
a perfect show. Absolutely not even a

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perfect It's a perfect thing, like
perfect creation, perfect creation. A better

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thing could not have been created.
And like the thing about it that I

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always say to people who haven't watched
it is like the first season, you're

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you're gonna feel like a little more
Nickelodeon, Like there's a little more kid

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stuff in it. But God,
I like, and a show that ends

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so beautifully too. It's one of
the few endings that I finished and I

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was like, that was perfect.
It couldn't have been any better, Like

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is Legend of Kara by the Avatar
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first season of Core, but I
think it's because I was so attached to

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Avatar that I just yeah, it's
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lot of it. I should probably
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did meet the voice actor for Zuko, and I had no idea. It

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did not click until much later.
It's like there's someone who helps out.

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didn't even click because he's the producer
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Bosco yeah, and then uh and
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probably good that I didn't know who
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been like, oh my god,
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just like, hey, how are
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to like drink some whiskey with him
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on. I like that show because
it's not anime though, shite mate,

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mate, Anyways, should we start? Should we move on to the topics

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for this week? All right?
All right, Call of Duty, Black

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Ops? Cold War? Shite mate. I just really wanted to say it

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both TAM's gone, that's how that's
how much he feels about so what it's

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leaked, that's the locale, I
guess. I mean, so let's just

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while we're waiting for Tim to come
back on the surface. The title Black

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Ops Cold War like to me,
I'm like, the point of the Cold

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War is that there weren't like are
we doing are we doing espionage? We

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didn't stealth like what I Yeah,
I imagine it'll be because Black Ops one,

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A lot of that took place like
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so I imagine it'll be something similar. Yeah, but like I'm curious if

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it's going to be like a full
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know, it is strange. She's
strange. By the way, Tay just

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putting video slack is discord down?
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you as being like you're doing cut
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is down in in after dark slap? Holy cow? What an interesting episode?

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Should we keep going? Lets this
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Seriously, Uh, let me just
message time and be like, well,

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rejoin if you can keep keep talking
about something I'm gonna resent through your

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camera, Lucy. Okay, oh
no, you are just cutting half.

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We're gonna leave it as is.
Look, because I'm not gonna be able

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to fix it on the fly.
Fine, everyone looks. Fine, Well

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I can fix it on the fly. I can do this. I can

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do this. So Black Ops.
I actually played a lot of Black Ops

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threes multiplayer for some reason. I
still don't know why. It was just

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I would come home and play like
a couple of matches every night. So,

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I mean one was my big one. Because I was at UNI and

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also unemployed and also had three contact
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I very very quickly prestiged in Black
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Black Ops because I've played a lot
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one two, Yeah, not too, didn't play one Comma two. Yeah.

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to make a joke about. Yeah, games with with all those fancy sub

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titles, subheaders are the bas It's
fine. No, I was thinking of

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SpongeBot SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated
or whatever because the full hold on.

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I'm gonna get the full title look
in because it's really complicated and it pisces

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me off. It makes my life
hard. SpongeBot square Pants Colon Battle for

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Bikini Bottom hyphen Rehydrated. What was
the Harry Potter one was? It was

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like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
pot won the official video game or something,

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and it was alreay similar situation where
I was like, there's too much

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Grandma in this and then like for
my like the way headlines work is only

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so many work, like so many
characters in the headline actually make it into

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the URL and so like you get
funky URL's when game names are that long,

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and it makes things difficult. I
did see the engineers rolled out an

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update about that today, though I
didn't that week the Weekly Wins email,

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and I was like, oh,
that's good. Yeah, so good for

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you guys, because i didn't even
know there was an issue. But I'm

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glad it's fix. That's the best
kind of issue, one that you don't

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know is an issue until it's already
fixed. Me like, like, why,

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you're brilliant. You both spotted and
fixed the problem before I even knew

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it was there, so before we
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Cold War. I don't know,
do you guys have any like hopes for

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it? Do you want it to
be like a kind of like what they

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did with Modern Warfare for Black Ops? Or do we want something completely different?

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Like I mean, honestly black Ops
in that new engine. Yeah,

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I can see it. I'll be
into it. Like I think Black Ops

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storyline wise was probably my favorite.
Just didn't get it was a really weird

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mashup. I think the story I'm
that game was great. Also, was

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that the one that Trent and an
Atticus did the score for I feel like

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I think so either that one or
two is what they didn't scored for,

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but that one has a bunch of
or that that original one had a bunch

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of like top build actors, right
like Sam Worthington, who I don't know

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what he's doing anymore, but Gary
Oldton is in it, right. Have

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you seen the video of Gary Oldman
on a talk show and he's on there

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to talk about call of Duty?
No, he doesn't know what it is.

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I think he gets his character name
wrong. It's like that kind of

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something like All Night, but let's
rain Fire. That's like, you know,

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do you ever have those little kind
of like a soundboard in your mind?

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Yes, Like TikTok's one of mine. For example, in the morning

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is I go get my coffee and
every time I come back into my room,

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I go meeting time. But it's
the exact cadence of the woman in

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Futurama who feeds the little heads in
the head Museum and she goes fading time.

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So that's the kind of shit that
I'm working with. But rain Fire,

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it's one that is always in my
head, always in my head.

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I just always have this little thing
of Gary oldman screaming rain fire in my

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head twenty. I am so glad
you put that into words, though,

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because I have so many of those, and like we have like family ones

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like my like my family will do
them, and I'm like, no one

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else knows what the hell we're saying. Yepably has their own little like like

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weird things that they call things like
a yeah, pocock. Like my stepmom

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is called judy, but for some
reason we call it judy bugs. I

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have no idea where bugs came from, which done it for almost years.

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A big thing in my family is
from chicken run when one of the chickens

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says, are those the only choices? Whenever we're presented with two kind of

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shit options for something, we all
go other those the only choices. So

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I don't want to, you know, you just never know. But anyway,

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I was definitely more of a modern
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I just was at a weird time
in my life in Black Ops three,

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I guess. But like I I'm
kind of burnt out on call of

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duty. Honestly, I wish that
call of d D would fully commit to

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the things that it's trying to do
Like I even felt that way in Black

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Ops three, like that storyline is
almost about PTSD and then like it just

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becomes like surreal and weird, and
I'm like, oh, like you all

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like you almost got there, almost
did it. And I think like there

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there is a large population of college
of your players that are veterans, and

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I think that that's something that would
be good to address in a cold game,

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if like you're there for the story. So I don't know, I'm

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I'm curious. I do like,
yeah, I wonder if veterans would even

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want it to go that in depth
though, you know, because I feel

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like a lot of veterans a play. I don't want to generalize, but

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I imagine maybe you wouldn't want it
to be too vivid. But then it's

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weird because Modern Warfare was like we're
going to be super realistic. Yeah,

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Modern Warfare has I think like the
more I mean even like the sound design

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is way more realistic. Yeah.
So I don't know. I don't know.

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I just know that my my to
be fully like, I'm just gonna

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lay it out there. My therapist
works with veterans lot, and she will

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She's talked about like, how like
all of her veteran patients play Call of

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Duty. Yeah, because it's like
she'll ask me about what I do for

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work and stuff, and I'm like
video you know, like Pokemon call Call

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of Duty, like you know,
the big video games. She was like,

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oh, yeah, all of my
veteran clients. I wonder, I

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mean, I wonder if it's a
kind of exposure therapy in a way.

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Maybe my my dad used to be
in a clan like back in the probably

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like MW three era that was just
like all marines and then my dad.

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I don't know how that happened,
but for you, yeah, so I

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think I don't know. I really
I feel strongly about the original Modern Warfare,

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Like I think that like really pushed
games of that genre in a way

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that they hadn't been pushed before.
I love the original Modern Warfare even for

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all it's like works, and I
would love to see Hall of Duty likes

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stick to something a little bit better
maybe. Yeah. One interesting thing,

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so Racivic, I don't know if
you guys have heard of him, but

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he's a YouTuber. He did a
video about Call of Duty. It's really

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good. I highly recommend it.
But he did a video where he basically

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went through all of the Call of
Duty games and figured out, like,

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what is the gimmick this game?
And like, if you look at them,

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they have this very interesting, like
kind of predictable strategy where they will

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do something to death until people hate
it and they want something else, and

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then they'll switch it up and they'll
be like, look, see you are

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listening. This is like this cool
new thing that people have been wanting.

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And then they'll do that to death
until people will get mad, and then

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they'll go back to the old thing
and pretend like it's new. So like

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an example of that, right would
be Infinite Warfare was the one where people

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were like really mad and we're like, we're tired of this. We don't

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want futuristics. So then they went
back to World War Two and they were

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like, look see boots on the
ground, Like that's what people want and

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Call of Duty and I'm willing to
bet like we're gonna have a couple more

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Call of Duty games and then people
are gonna be like, all right,

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well now, like I want to
see like Call of Duty in future or

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I want and it's just like this
cycle that doesn't really end of just like

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just like right right, when a
mechanic or key system is everyone's tired of

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it, they'll retire it and they'll
just leave it on the shelf and wait

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until it's time to bring it back. Yeah. I mean, maybe I'm

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asking too much a call of duty
because call of duty is really like an

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entertainment product, not like it's not
trying to be a statement. I mean

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it is kind of like a like
I don't know if you guys had that

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article about the US Army recruiting people
through call of duty tournaments, So there's

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that. I mean I always find
it weird when they're at like E three

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in games calm the Army Army.
So there's that aspect of call of duty,

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which like we don't have to get
into. But like I think the

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reason I bring up, like I
wish college you would stick to that the

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statement is because I think they get
like halfway there. I would also love

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to see like a really fun,
loving, like not grit not super gritty

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call of duty. You know.
Also, so like like it's not that

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collodity has to be really hard hitting
and talk about PTSD. It's it's just

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that I think they get like halfway
or even three quarters of the way there

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and then pull back. But also
like Call of Duty is more than just

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like one person's vision, like it
is an entertainment monster. It is the

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shameth it is. There's I mean, some of this stuff is just pure

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marketing, like like what Jake talked
about, like changing changing the mechanics.

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Stuff that's a marketing tool rather than
like a game design tool. So I

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think Collegy is what it is,
and you kind of I felt that way

405
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.640
with Modern Warfare. Also, I
don't want to speak for two more,

406
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:02.480
but I know like he and I
had different interpretations of that game, and

407
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.279
there's so much I could have talked
about, but it's like I can't really

408
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:14.440
I can't really like dig into like
the entire world around Call of Duty when

409
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.599
we're reviewing it. So my feelings, like colle did you're super complicated,

410
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.440
But I am interested to see where
they go next, like I always am.

411
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.279
Yeah, I think I've kind of
hit the point, like I I

412
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.160
guess I've done a similar thing where
I was in the Call Duty then I

413
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.000
burnt out and like I didn't play
or get interested into a lot of them,

414
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:41.519
and then I oh, all right, I've fixed the overlay. Why

415
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.039
why am I the only one that
gets booted out when the seven I don't

416
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.359
know, we kept going. We've
been going for the past twenty minutes or

417
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.440
seven more. What are your thoughts
while I just discord racists? So what

418
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.599
I'm saying, well, I get
the overlay fixed to more. What are

419
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.680
your thoughts on call of duty?
Black Ops? Cold War? Whoever in

420
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:05.400
it? You got to say more
than that. I'm glad they're going back

421
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.839
to Black Ops. They always did
interesting story stuff for Black Ops, and

422
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.920
so I'm hoping that they do more
of that again. And not to say

423
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.480
that that. Actually I was going
to say modern arfice story it wasn't good,

424
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.519
but like modern office story has a
fair show of issues. But I

425
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.640
like the kind of like attempt to
do it. I wish I wish people

426
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.519
would just this is that's too spicy
to say, I'm going to pull back

427
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.359
on that. Wow. I literally
was talking about how the army recruits People's

428
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.000
your call of duty, So you're
probably not going to be too spicy.

429
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.720
I mean, the thing I was
going to say is I'm sick of people

430
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:49.680
pussy footing around controversial and political subject
matter or like twisting it into some sort

431
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.920
of new story. If you're going
to tell the story about, you know,

432
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.799
cults in Far Cry, tell the
story about cults in Far Cry.

433
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.640
If you're going to tell the story
about war crimes and the Middle East,

434
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.839
don't make the Yeah, make own
the ship, Own the history that you're

435
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.640
claiming, Own the history that you're
using as a marking beat, like put

436
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:14.039
it in your story. Yeah,
And I mean honestly, like that's why

437
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:20.359
I'm kind of a little trepidacious about
watch Dogs Legion. Yeah, don't ask

438
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:29.519
about it's it's ridiculous and I don't
know how we got here. But like,

439
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.240
Black Black Ops has always done interesting
things with story, and if they

440
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.119
can do a kind of like the
Numbers Mason style thing within the Cold War,

441
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.519
I'm all for it. But if
they're like, oh, we're going

442
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.720
to do a Cold War story that's
politically charged and then just do some like

443
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.599
half past half baked version of a
Cold War story, I'm not interested in

444
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.000
that. But they also do like
cool things with gameplay, and you know,

445
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:58.039
like the kind of like and they
have an interesting I'm excited to see

446
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:02.200
how it feeds into wars on more
than anything because the because the rumor is

447
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.839
that it's going to be announced through
war Zone instead of like a major you

448
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.679
know, like a war zone event
and like you're doing a fortnight thing of

449
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:15.119
like, yeah, let's get a
concert going to that would make our lives

450
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.360
a harder party in the gulag.
Let's go. Also, I just want

451
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.440
to say that today is my dad's
birthday, and he took the day I

452
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.960
have to play called duty. So
much respect your dad. Yeah, so

453
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:30.039
it's also your brother's birthday too.
What's he doing? It's also my brother

454
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.840
birthday? He's take he has a
class. What a flex for your dad

455
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:37.119
to have a kid on his birthday? I know, right, both of

456
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.159
your parents? What a flex.
Anyway, we've spent a lot of time

457
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.559
talking about cold duty, but we
should probably move on to the news story

458
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.280
that broke what earlier this week?
Sony is set to announce PS five game

459
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:53.199
lineup very soon. Un entire story. Yeah, that's that's pretty much the

460
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:59.920
entire story, right two. Yeah, I think the interesting thing is what

461
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.199
do you think is going to be
there? All right? Too? Uh?

462
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.559
Blood born too? Don't because you're
just gonna get yourself excited. It's

463
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.880
gonna make itself sad. We're gonna
have to go pieces. Yeah, and

464
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.719
it's gonna be even more of a
wreck than usual if they do. Hey,

465
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.599
we've we've updated Blood Born for PS
five. It's the same games up.

466
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:29.679
I would absolutely take that. Yeah, I'll have that sixty frames,

467
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.119
decent frameway. Yeah, that Blue
Point game should be there. Oh what

468
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.519
do you think? It is?
Either either the new or the rumors they're

469
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:44.000
making a new game, but they're
also believed to be working on the Demon

470
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:49.480
Souls remake. So if they do
the remaster of a beloved yeah, if

471
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:58.280
it's Demon Souls, oh my god, I'm gonna get wet all right for

472
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.280
sweat, Sweat, you don't pushing
the boundaries. I'm talking about overheating and

473
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:08.280
stuff. I mean, I mean
Joel Luke's band name from last week was

474
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:14.719
a line what you sent said once, which I forgot to believe the second

475
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:23.760
time. I bet we're gonna see
Grand Trees MO eight seven. Listen.

476
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:29.639
I'm not gonna rude, but it's
like the white bread of racing games isn't

477
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.159
ship pet I haven't played a Grand
Tres most since I was a kid.

478
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:38.079
Honestly, like, well, I
feel like forts a kind of just showed

479
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:40.280
him up. Yeah, like,
if I'm gonna play a racing game,

480
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.639
I'm gonna play for it's that.
And if I'm gonna play a raising a

481
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.840
racing game, hell is probably frozen
over because your bad. Yeah. I

482
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:51.079
was gonna say, like I really
that was a joke. I can't speak

483
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.760
to fortsa or Grand Trees moo.
I haven't played a racing game that was

484
00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:00.559
a Mario Kart since like answers to
four like a forts and horizon, Yeah,

485
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.400
foots, the horizon is want to
just drive around in. I think

486
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:06.639
the Grand Trasmal games are really like
people rarely love them and they do a

487
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.440
specific thing. But I think more
and more as the time goes on,

488
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.679
that series feels more and more out
of place with the world around it,

489
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:19.400
Like they're just still doing like very
straight up simulation track racing with like there's

490
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.039
a Foxhall vector that you can race, and you're like, why why would

491
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:28.039
you do that? Like top top
Gear built a whole TV show about that

492
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.159
exact concept, so yeah, true, And then I look at them.

493
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.719
Top Gears showed up in Forts of
four yeah instead of Grain Trees, and

494
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:42.679
it's just, yeah, I think
I'm one of those people actually a little

495
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.280
more like flavor and spice in their
racing games to get me involved. Yeah,

496
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.480
I mean the same for you guys. I imagine too, if it's

497
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.000
going to be a launch title like
this is just speculation, but I imagine

498
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.239
there's going to be a lot of
stuff that have been in previous ones that

499
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.559
aren't going to be in this,
and people are going to be surprised and

500
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.360
disappointed by that, even if they
are fans, because I feel like that

501
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.320
that I mean that that happens with
launch titles normally, especially like racing games.

502
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.559
I remember Forts of five or six, which everyone's the launch one for

503
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.119
the Xbox One. Was like it
was one of the few games, so

504
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.559
I bought it and I was like, I'm just gonna play Forts of four

505
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.119
if I want to play this,
because there's way more than Forts to four

506
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:22.320
and the top Gear guys are in
there telling me about cars, punching producers,

507
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:29.920
ronins. Apart from James may normal, he seems to be wholesome.

508
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.800
He's out like helping like move COVID
relief. He's like driving around and helping

509
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:45.559
people out. Where is around mcclockfin
who knows? Yeah, no bid anyway,

510
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:52.280
any other predictions. We've got Demon
Souls Horizon two. I'm expecting like

511
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:58.079
souped up versions of the games that
are bridging the generation gaps. So like

512
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:04.559
Last US two goes of what was
that one? That was it? The

513
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.079
game? What was it? God
God Fall? Yes? That confirmed for

514
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.519
we haven't heard anything about that?
Is that the Gearbox one? Yeah?

515
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.760
Yeah, okay, I saw.
I mean, if you're listening to audio

516
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.480
vision, you will not be able
to catch to More's slight eyebrow rais there?

517
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:30.280
He said. All I'm saying is
no, I'm not gonna I don't

518
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:35.320
know what you're gonna say, but
don't to work comes on and it's just

519
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.079
unleashing all these spicy tastes. Wadland
Wadeline phraz is one of the worst written

520
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:45.320
games I've ever played in my lifetime. Just hope. I am care much

521
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:51.800
for it. I didn't care for
the writing either, is anyone I know?

522
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:53.599
People do? People like it.
It's just it's just not for me.

523
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.599
It's not for me, and that's
fine. Yeah, and that's okay.

524
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.199
That's home live in my life.
It's not for me, but it's

525
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:06.719
fine. It's fine. It's not
right, but it's okay. References.

526
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:13.880
Yeah, great, Well, anyway, speaking of dreams, will be there

527
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:17.159
dreams, and then there's like a
bunch of like crossover generation stuff like the

528
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:22.400
games like yeah, but like games
of the service stuff like Siege, you'll

529
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.599
probably pop up in some regard like
four years of Living, Confirmed Wars,

530
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:32.199
Destiny Overwatch will probably have some sort
of presence. I hope. I mean,

531
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:36.840
I wonder if they'll bring Overwatch and
just leave it or just leave it

532
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.280
for two. That would be weird. Like I don't know if they're going

533
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:44.760
to do cross gen service. That's
one thing, because like that's not been

534
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.519
a thing for a lot of generations, right. I think maybe Microsoft did

535
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.639
it into some degree, but like
PS three to PS four, there wasn't

536
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:57.639
like backwards generational compatibility. And for
Overwatch, which is putting people from both

537
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.360
games in the same pool, then
if that's gonna work. Yeah, I

538
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:07.920
forget how Destiny one did it because
that was cross generational. Yeah, I

539
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.599
don't. I don't think you've shared
its like with three sixty owners and Xbox

540
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.360
ones didn't share. I think you
just like moved your safe dat didn't you?

541
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.440
Oh didn't you have to go on
PC to do it? That?

542
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:24.159
Now? Yeah, once once they
opened it up for cross across platforms,

543
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.719
when you had to do that,
But that would mean that over Watch would

544
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.559
need to be on the next generation
of consoles, provided did it haven't figured

545
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:36.719
out some sort of cross generational server
solution. I bet you with all these

546
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.400
all the all these like consoles and
games talking to each other, I bet

547
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:45.000
there's going to be a way for
certain games too, like like Overwatch.

548
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.119
I'd be surprised if you wouldn't be
able to play with people on PS five

549
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:52.079
on your PS four I don't know, maybe not actually, I don't know.

550
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.079
Complicated, but anyway, we should
talk about ghosts of ghosts of Sushima,

551
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.480
not ghosts of Sushima. Do you
know that we've all been pronouncing it

552
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:07.039
wrong? I didn't really Sushima.
Yeah. Yeah, it's some of those

553
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.159
things where it's like if you pronounce
it too correctly, you sound like an

554
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.480
ass, so like you might as
well pronounce it the americanized way. That's

555
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.480
precisetive what I've been doing, Like
I don't want to be that yeah person

556
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.480
is going hi. It's a transition
from like normal Western speaking to like one

557
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:30.760
word is intensely Japanese and impact a
little bit talking about a ghost of Tsushima.

558
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:37.159
I think I've said this on the
podcast before, but I had my

559
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.840
friends and I in high school.
We were taking Spanish classes and we were

560
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.400
joking about people like that, and
the example was always, Hi, my

561
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:50.800
name is Rachel. I'm from Uhy. So that's how I'm always I'm very

562
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:52.760
self gone. I don't want to
sound like that. I don't want to

563
00:42:52.760 --> 00:43:00.320
be Rachel from I don't want to
be Rachel from Uru. Why so yeah,

564
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.960
I'm fine with saying Tsushima. It's
fine. That's like me whenever I

565
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.119
go to like to get a curry
out in public, like I'll be like

566
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.840
speaking and then like when I have
to say the thing of you know,

567
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.719
the item I want, I switched
to like Punjabi and everyone goes, you're

568
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:17.960
a weirdo. Like it's just this
is how I said it growing up.

569
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:23.239
So I've made that like a point
of not doing that with any other language.

570
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.639
That direct was cool. I am
very much into that game. I

571
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.400
you know, what I really like
is that the interact button is on R

572
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:37.440
two And I was like, like, genuinely a small thing that I noticed

573
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:39.079
interact with stuff. Action button was
on R two, and I was like,

574
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.880
yes, that is ergonomically pleasing to
me. You came up with a

575
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:45.679
fantastic tweet during that, but you
never tweeted it out. I was a

576
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.880
coward. You were a coward.
I was a coward. It was it

577
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.800
was very good. A lot of
my tweets I sent to Tamore for sort

578
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:59.599
of like he's my barometer for and
that's me. I'm that to Jake,

579
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:06.039
Yeah, show iet this. And
I was going to tweet broke hold f

580
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:12.760
to pay respects, woke hold our
two to pay respects. I had it

581
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.239
ready to go and then I just
waited too long. But I liked it.

582
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.239
Thank you, it's good. Well, one thing that I noticed actually

583
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.119
called out is I liked how the
wind guides you the areas. I thought

584
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:30.320
that was pretty neat. So I
had an interview with Nate Fox's creative director

585
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:37.920
on Ghosts of Tsushima, which the
interview is up now on GameSpot dot com

586
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:42.199
find a website you can read it, and there will be a video version

587
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.119
of it coming up on the YouTube
channel. But we talked about a bunch

588
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.480
of things, and one of the
things was the wind thing. And I

589
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.320
think that I liked about the conversation. I had was like what the question

590
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.440
I asked him was like, how
do you avoid being Assassin's creed and filling

591
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.280
a map with icons overwhelmed people?
Is this the wind kind of thing an

592
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.000
attempt to do that? And it
was like, yeah, kind of,

593
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:08.440
like the wind is there to guide
you to your waypoint that you select and

594
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:13.880
your main missions. But we've designed
the game in a way that we want

595
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.599
you to get distracted as much as
possible, because we've put stuff out in

596
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.320
the world that isn't immediately visible.
You know, how Assassin's created is like

597
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:27.280
every like sign posting or any interesting
thing it exists in the world, but

598
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.840
it's also like oriented towards you,
so you can see it in a very

599
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.880
specific way. So it's like if
someone's saying something to someone to like mouthing

600
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.760
it towards you, to be like, hey, wouldn't it be good if

601
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.159
someone would help us with this issue
we're having. They don't want to do

602
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.239
that. They want to make it
like seem like, oh, there's something

603
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.039
happening over there, Like there's a
fire stack that seems to be all like,

604
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.079
there's some commotion happening over there,
and you go there, and if

605
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.360
you choose to go there. There's
something there. It's kind of like there's

606
00:45:53.360 --> 00:46:04.159
a little indie game that came out
on PC and Nextbox Call, but it's

607
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.519
kind of like that developed by a
Ragdag group of people in Poland. You

608
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:14.079
might have heard of it, but
like that kind of thing where you kind

609
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.000
of it feels more natural and when
you go there, you have something meaningful.

610
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:20.440
So the wind is kind of a
guide. But also the interesting thing

611
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.840
about the Wind is like they've paid
a lot of attention into the way they

612
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:28.639
represent nature in the game. Fox. Yeah, you can pet the Fox,

613
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:35.000
not the creative director of the game, Nate Fox, just to Fox

614
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:36.960
in the game. I mean,
if you can pet Nate Fox as well,

615
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.880
like fair play golf for it might
find a bit weird, ask him

616
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:44.760
for a seeker's permission, find his
boundaries, and then figure it out.

617
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.639
But they really respect nature and they
want to respect nature in the game.

618
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.480
And the reason they want to do
that is because the game is influenced by

619
00:46:52.519 --> 00:47:00.400
you know, summarized cinema and the
kind of symbiosis between the esthetic symbiosis between

620
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:06.639
like a wandering samurai and the desolate
nature of nature. If you get what

621
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.559
I'm saying, like you always have
the samurai standing in the field and like

622
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.960
the grass is blowing and like the
trees the leaves are like crossing over.

623
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.880
You know. It's very esthetically pleasing, and they're making sure that they're respecting

624
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:21.079
that as well. So that's part
of it. And the other thing that

625
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.199
I found really interesting was like there's
loads of Curosoura thing like he did it.

626
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:29.119
He did like a broke Walk Galaxy
Brain thing as well, where he

627
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.840
was like broke everyone got in.
This game is inspired by a Kirokurosawa's you

628
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.639
know, work, but actually the
work thing is it's actually inspired by a

629
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:42.920
comic book series called Usagi or Jimbo, which is like a really old it's

630
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.440
like really it started really long time
ago in the eighties and it's still ongoing,

631
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:52.039
but it's it's it's like a world
of anthropomorphic animals, you know,

632
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:59.840
standing in for humans, and it's
about this rabbit rollin who's just like is

633
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.559
Asaki means rabbit in Japanese. But
he's like a wandering samurai and he just

634
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.320
rolls up into places and uses his
you know, his training and his wit

635
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.400
to kind of solve the issues and
moves on and that's what this game is.

636
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:17.800
It's like an anthology of stories.
So Broke is Krosawa woke Isa Jimbo

637
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:24.159
im pressure friends by telling everyone actually
this was Sagia Jimbo. Also Galaxy Brain

638
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:30.159
is that it's a rabbit ronin Rabbit
Ron. Yeah, his name is Miyamoto

639
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.960
Miyamoto Usaki instead of Miyamoto Musashi,
which is very good, very good.

640
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:40.199
I wonder if Lone Wolf and Cub
had any influence to That's the one I

641
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.800
didn't ask him. So I asked
him if he'd seen Roni Kenshin and he

642
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:45.960
was like, yes, I have
seen Roni Kinshin. I was like,

643
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.559
if there's an East Egg in there
will be petting your fox if you know

644
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:55.159
what I'm saying. Anyway, Lone
Wolf and Cub is another manga, but

645
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:08.119
an old Everyone felt really bummed out
the questions anyway, Coasts of Tsushima.

646
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.079
That'll do man, all right,
let's move on to the listener questions.

647
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:16.719
Then, if you've got any questions
for us, you can email up email

648
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:21.360
us at after Dark podcast at GameSpot
dot com, or you can join our

649
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.199
discord and we will get you in
there and we've got a channel where you

650
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.519
can ask whatever questions you'd like within
reason, and this week all the questions

651
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.719
come from Discord once again, Kelly, do you want to read the first

652
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:38.599
one? Sure? Let's switch sabs
here. Sure, Sure, Sure.

653
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.320
I've had Red Dead on the brain
till the last couple of weeks. Am

654
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:50.679
I download it again? Playing on
PC was like incredible, Like it is,

655
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:58.239
That's what I'm stunning. Anyway,
This comes from CPAV on Discord.

656
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.440
I've started getting into using Unity to
jump into game design, and it's really

657
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.199
hard coming up with an original idea
beyond just doing a two D platformer.

658
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.679
I feel like indie developers eighty percent
of the time just stick to side scrolling

659
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.599
platformers with pixel graphics, just due
to sheer ease. But I feel like

660
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.920
the genre and look up, these
games are becoming a little tired. Are

661
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.719
there any common elements of indie game
design that you feel are overdone? And

662
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.679
what games of late have blown away
your expectations of what it indie develop indie

663
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.800
developer is capable of. By the
way, love the podcast. I caved

664
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:35.840
in and bought Yakisa zero because you
guys mentioned it at least once per episode,

665
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.639
and I hope they're really digging it. We get it where we abooze.

666
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:46.079
Thank you. C peth On,
Jake mister, I play every JRPG

667
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:58.039
anyway. The first thing that comes
to mind for me is that I personally

668
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:00.440
am tired of like indie met trade
Vania games. I mean, I guess

669
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:04.960
just metroid Vania games in general,
two D ones, particularly like Ori.

670
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.599
As beautiful as those games look,
by the time the first one came out,

671
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.960
I was like, I've played so
many indie metroid Vania games. As

672
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.440
pretty as this game looks and as
great as it is, I just don't

673
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.800
know if I can do that.
And ever since then, I like,

674
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:22.880
still I find it really difficult to
get into two D metroid Vania games.

675
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:30.119
I think it's just because like it's
such a it's like so predictable, like

676
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.719
the arts that really has to draw
me in. And I guess if RI

677
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:36.599
didn't draw me in like that,
it's got to be something really cool.

678
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.280
I forgot already too. I started
playing RI too and I downloaded it.

679
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.039
I yeah, I wanted to play
it, but it was just like,

680
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:50.000
I don't know if I want to
do another. I don't I don't know

681
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.079
if I want to do metric me
even hollow Night is a game that I've

682
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.199
tried to play so many times because
people have told me it's one of the

683
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.920
best games ever. Like straight up, people have told me it's the best

684
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.880
game ever, And like, I
just I can't do it because I'm just

685
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:01.639
I don't. I don't want to
play a two D metro Vania game.

686
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.800
I struggle. I mean, the
difficulties what got made with holl at Night.

687
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:10.199
But I feel similarly about two D
Metroid Vanya is like I'm not I

688
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:14.280
don't know, I just had maybe
a mental block about it because I've went

689
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.599
through a phase of playing so many
I think the one exception to the rule

690
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:22.239
is probably Dead Cells. Yeah,
well that like shook it up quite a

691
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.559
bit. I feel like with the
rogue Light elements and stuff like that.

692
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.360
But I mean, like one of
my favorite games is Super Metroid and I

693
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.719
play that, I don't know every
other year or so, and I love

694
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:36.199
that game. But and maybe that
game for me just kind of hit that

695
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.360
high and just nothing is really gotten
up there. But I don't know if

696
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.199
I don't think that's true because it
sounds like Hollow Night. Like from what

697
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.159
I played, I thought the combat
was great. It's just like I just

698
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.960
lost steams so fast and I really
want to finish it. I just can't

699
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.800
do it. The one that I
think of like annoyingly the thing that I'm

700
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.480
tired of, and the in the
game that also recently I was like,

701
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.039
this is really good is the same
thing. So, like the thing I'm

702
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.239
tired of is the Hotland Miami style
thing, or it's like incredibly fast paced.

703
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.199
You punch a thing once and it's
dead, and then if you get

704
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.880
killed, you die in one hit
and then you've got to hold over again,

705
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.400
like it worked, but there's just
an abundance of them. But then

706
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.280
the game that I really really enjoyed
recently I forgot the name of it was

707
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:22.360
this which one called blood Roots.
Blood Roots. That's the one, no

708
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.920
Blood Roos. I really enjoyed,
Like it was that, But I think

709
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:29.639
after playing that, I was like, that was good. I don't think

710
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:32.639
I've enjoyed a game like that since
the original Hotland Miami and kind of Hotland

711
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:37.559
Miami two. I don't think Hotland
Miami Two's is good, but I'm okay

712
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:43.280
with not playing another one of these
for a while. Yeah, yeah,

713
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.119
that's a good one too, because
I remember being very excited for Hotline Miami

714
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.000
two, played through all of it, but by the time I was done

715
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.400
with that game, I was like, I don't need another one of these

716
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.079
games for a while. And then
I played Eight Out, which, let's

717
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.639
say it's kind of close to that, which I enjoyed, but once again,

718
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.719
yeah, like the music is really
good, the art style is really

719
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:02.400
good. Once again, it was
just kind of like I've done this before,

720
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.280
which isn't a bad thing, right, Like, I'm sure there are

721
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.840
plenty people who straight up missed Hotline
Miami, never played it, and then

722
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:13.679
there's these other games like Blood Roots
and Ape Out to kind of feel that

723
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:19.159
void so people can learn about this
style. But maybe it's just because I

724
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:21.960
enjoyed Hotline Miami so much and I
was like, that's it, That's all

725
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.559
I need. Yeah, I couldn't
get into Ape Out, and I was

726
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:30.239
surprised because I look like Hotline Miami
is one of like the my top indie

727
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.000
games at the very least. I
love that game, but yeah, it

728
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.880
was kind of a magic that's hard
to recapture. I would say for me,

729
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:49.320
the indie thing that I'm kind of
tired of is uh like Pokemon imitators,

730
00:54:49.360 --> 00:55:00.400
and like like I haven't really liked
the three D indie Like I forget

731
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.360
my time at Porsche. I wasn't
super into My Time Porsche, which was

732
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.920
like a three D Harvest Moon,
Like I think, what's name of that

733
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:15.719
Pokemon clone that was really forgot I
existed. I couldn't get into ten Times.

734
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:19.360
I'm part of that. It's not
ten Times Fall is not done.

735
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.679
So it's like I can't really say
definitively whether I wouldn't get into ten Time.

736
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:29.280
But I think when you're going after
rather than a genre but a very

737
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.199
specific kind of game, you're gonna
run into issues of people who are into

738
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:37.119
that kind of game comparing really closely
with the game that they're used to.

739
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.440
And like as far as like farm
Similars go, like Stardy Valley is probably

740
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:50.199
my favorite game I've ever played,
So when you try to chase that that

741
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:57.199
farm game high, I just like
really don't see anything surpassing what Starty Valley

742
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:02.519
is done. And then yeah,
I'm tired of Metroid Beings too. M

743
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.760
see have the trick with current indie
games. There's like takes something incredibly mundane

744
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:13.320
from real life and somehow to make
a cool game out of it, Like

745
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:16.920
the one I always think of is
like this is a specifically for Lucy.

746
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.039
Remember supermarket Sweep? Yeah? How
has no one turned that into a video

747
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:27.239
game? Like a fun mini game
collection? I don't try to check out

748
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.239
deep. I had an idea of
like a horror game that takes place in

749
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:36.039
a multiplayer lobby or not like a
like a like a multiplayer map, Like

750
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.800
you're just in a multiplayer map and
there's no one there and weird things start

751
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.800
to happen. And I mentioned on
the podcast. I'm not saying me mentioning

752
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.239
it had anything to do with this, but I mentioned on the podcast like

753
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.360
an early early episode, and a
couple weeks later, Jean Luke sent me

754
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.400
a link and he's like, hey, is this is what you're talking about?

755
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:55.800
And sure enough, there's a game
that was made like somewhat recently that's

756
00:56:55.880 --> 00:57:00.000
just a horror game where you're in
like a multiplayer lob being weird things start

757
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.440
to happen, and it's it was
kind of neat. It's called Jake's Bookie

758
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:08.440
Time with Friends for some reason.
Who knows. It's actually when I try

759
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.840
to get friends to play with me
but they don't join and I just run

760
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.960
around the lobby by myself. Have
you guys seen that horror game where you're

761
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:22.519
in Ikea and the lights turn off
and the Ikea employees chase you. That

762
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.679
sounds awesome, cool, that sounds
amazing. You have to do? You

763
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:30.840
have to like build furniture to escape
them. You quick make a moum.

764
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.679
I've always like a gift of it, so I wanted to find it.

765
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.519
But I really like like just indie
games that take a concept and then just

766
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:43.960
keep galaxy brain building on it.
I mean it becomes a thing. It's

767
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.639
like until it's like, yeah the
premises that I was like, hey,

768
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.719
it's a misterious goose. There was
that one game which was like Flora's Lava.

769
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.119
Remember that, Oh the one that
was on Apple Arcade? Yeah?

770
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.599
Yeah, So did you ever play
this game? Like it's gonna this is

771
00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:02.599
gonna sound real weird, but I
don't. No Sticky Sticky Glue, did

772
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:07.159
you ever play this game? So
there's this kid a playground game we used

773
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:12.400
to play called Sticky Sticky Glue,
and what it was like basically like tag

774
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:19.239
or had so one person some people
called had Tag in like depending on I

775
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.039
moved around a lot of schools,
very unstable infancy, and it was different

776
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:28.360
different like things, different names for
the games, and one of them was

777
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.960
had, one of them was tag, but it was tag one person was

778
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:35.360
it and then everyone ran and this
person chased them and when they got tagged,

779
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.880
instead of being out, they would
have to like put their hands out,

780
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:42.679
so they were like told that they
were caught in glue, in sticky

781
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.880
glue. And then what would happen
is another player could then if they could

782
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:51.440
like run underneath that person's arm,
it would put them back in the game.

783
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.079
So the person play this, yeah, yes, we didn't call it

784
00:58:54.159 --> 00:59:00.760
that though, So the person who
played Trees Tag, maybe that's just freeze

785
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.920
teg Listen, it's called sticky sticky
glue, So make the indie games sticky

786
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.360
stinking glue steep have But like I'd
love to see like a Rocket League style

787
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.559
treatment to that, you know what
I'm saying, Like it's the arena where

788
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.280
you have to like run around and
tag people and sticky sticky on sticky glue

789
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:24.840
them sticky sticky glue. Before we
move on to the next question, are

790
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:29.280
there any just quickly, are there
any indie games recently that really blew you

791
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:37.239
away disco disco, Yeah, let's
say disco and blood cells. Blood cells

792
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:39.960
is what a couple of years old
now, but dead cells, dead cells,

793
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:49.360
blood roots and dead sell well,
actually episode of a hold on.

794
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.920
There's that one Apple Arcade game that
I was obsessed with? What was it

795
00:59:52.960 --> 01:00:00.840
all? Was it? The oh
Grindstone Grindstone Bank to the game the goal?

796
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:07.239
Yeah? Yeah, Patton is still
my favorite Appolockade game. It's just

797
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.679
basically doing jigsaw puzzles. It's a
life I lead. I was doing jigsaw

798
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:19.239
puzzles before it was cool. Bring
back Pegel Oh yeah. Next question is

799
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.840
from Myron WB. Since they seem
everywhere, what are your favorite examples of

800
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.480
skill trees and games? I think
this is a follow up till last week

801
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.199
when one of the questions was what
do you want to see not return next

802
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:32.679
Gen? And John Luke was like, I'm tired of skill trees in every

803
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:40.599
game. Sada has two skill trees, so I mean, I was gonna

804
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:44.079
say, I really like the Witcher
skill tree. It's not like the Witcher

805
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:47.519
threes. It's not like you can't
like crafted entirely different character with that skill

806
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:52.000
tree. But it's really fun matching
the colors and plugging in different cells in

807
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.000
order to like improve your strength or
alcamy or whatever it might be. Like,

808
01:00:55.079 --> 01:01:00.920
it's really satisfying. I think it's
just seeing how all that stuff connects.

809
01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:08.519
I liked Horizon Zero Dance skill Tree, but I I couldn't tell you

810
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:13.519
why I was remember liking it.
Yeah, I like skill trees in general,

811
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:20.239
though I'm all about I'm liking.
I love ship skill tree is pretty

812
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.360
good. Yeah, Schros is good. Seven remake skill Tree, not skill

813
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:30.079
tree, but material the weapon upgrade
thing, Yeah, it's pretty good.

814
01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:34.079
Peopoint and fun of fency Tense fig
Grade is really good as well. I

815
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:38.559
like that. I like the way
they change skill trees if you look across

816
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:42.280
the Mass Effects series, and I
like the way in three it was very

817
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.440
very simple, but then at one
point it just allowed you to branch,

818
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.960
and so it was basically like just
a nice way of introducing things. But

819
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.440
I think, what was this skill
tree? Was it far cry primal?

820
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:59.360
I remember liking their skill tree a
lot because I think of the way that

821
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.280
you unlocks stuff was basically based on
what you collected or how many people you

822
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:07.079
killed. I prefer things like that. I prefer like infe I was just

823
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.440
saying, Wolfenstein is really good because
it's based on what you do. Yeah,

824
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.400
I really enjoy it when skills upgrade
that way, and because it if

825
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:20.039
I want to unlock everything, it
forces me to play in a play style

826
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.079
that I usually wouldn't, which I
think is great, but it also enforces

827
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:28.079
my It's great enforcing the way that
I like to play, but also encouraging

828
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:31.119
me to try playstyles that I don't
normally do, so I think good.

829
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.400
That was one of the great things
about Skyrim too. It's skill tree.

830
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.559
It was just it like adapted to
you. As opposed to you build a

831
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:42.239
skill tree or a character at story
and you follow that skill tree. It

832
01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.800
was more like, Okay, I
want to do this play style and then

833
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.880
everything would be tailored to use.
You followed that path, which is neat

834
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:51.800
and it's great. And I liked
how that system was. You'd look up

835
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.400
at the stars and you'd see the
yeah, and you'd like plot your path

836
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.119
and the stars. I thought that
was that was a really neat skill tree.

837
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:02.800
This one is pretty good as well. Yeah, yeah, yes,

838
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:08.159
straight up banger of the game.
All right, tomorrow, do you want

839
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:15.440
to read this last question here?
Oh boy? Do I we all come

840
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:20.199
into front software. That sounded that
was a very boring start to the reading

841
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:24.280
that we all come into front software
games and roguelikes expecting some kind of challenge.

842
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:29.079
But what games over the years have
you encountered that completely caught you off

843
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.159
guard with how hard they were?
Personally? I would say Jack two and

844
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:36.639
Metal Arms. On the outside they
look like simple, family friendly adventures,

845
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.159
but on the inside there's some of
the most unforgiving, difficult games of the

846
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:44.320
PS two era. Jeremy from Discord, he's in Discord, He's not born

847
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:52.679
and living in Discord Iden Marrend like
how you put your hand over your mouth.

848
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:58.199
It sounded the same, but your
voice exactly. You need to get

849
01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:08.360
the echo. There is arises pizza
hypal games to look easy on the outside.

850
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.559
Jack two is a good It is
a good one here because I remember

851
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:15.159
having so much trouble with that game
as a kid, like I'd have to

852
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.320
have friends help me beat certain areas
because it was so freaking hard. I

853
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.559
don't know if it's still hard,
but I remember having so much trouble with

854
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:27.119
that game. I wouldn't say it's
like the game in general, but Jesus

855
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:33.320
Christ Seffiroth in Kingdom Hearts Too.
Oh yeah, wait, he's in Kingdom

856
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:39.760
Hearts Too. Dude, he's played
by Lance Bass from end Sync. I'm

857
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:46.079
not even kidding. Oh, it's
like the game is from my recollection and

858
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:51.039
playing it as a kid fairly even
in terms of difficulty. And then you

859
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.480
get to Sefroth. I think he's
an optional boss anyway, but you get

860
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.360
to Sefroth and it's like, oh
shit, yes, this is not gonna

861
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.119
go the way I want. They
were like, we need to preserve his

862
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:06.760
like legacy, so make him basically
unbeatable. And then you've got like a

863
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:13.199
little cartoon characters trying to fight this
evil superhero, and Goofy is just getting

864
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.960
absolutely stomped by a dude with massive
sword constantly. You're like, what's this

865
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:25.199
about? Why have you done this? Another one that I can think of

866
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.559
is I had a lot of trouble
with Mario sixty four as a kid.

867
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.800
I thought that game would be easy
because it's a Mario game. But I

868
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.159
remember, especially when you get to
the late the later areas, because early

869
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.400
on, like a lot of the
levels makes sense right, Like you're on

870
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.320
you're on a mountain, You're on
an icy area, and then I feel

871
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.280
like you get to the later levels
and it's just like, all right,

872
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:46.559
we're just gonna like vomit a bunch
of floating platforms and you have to jump

873
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:51.840
from floating platform to floating platform in
order to get this like star that's a

874
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.880
pain in the ask to get while
you're trying to figure out the camera and

875
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:01.320
like that game I remember being very
hard. I remember not having that much

876
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:08.360
difficulty with Crash Bandicoot one through three
as a kid, but the remake was

877
01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:11.280
way harder, and I was like, oh, this is not how I

878
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.119
remember my childhood. I had that
with Final Fancy nine. I remember playing

879
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.800
Fan Fancy nine so many times and
then I brought it on PSP. I

880
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.159
was so excited I start playing.
I was like, how did I play

881
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:25.320
this? It's impossible. It's like
I was trying to get to like the

882
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.599
first dungeon, and just out of
the first area, I was looking again

883
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.400
stomped, what's happening. There was
an article going around the other day where

884
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:35.199
it was like, how did anyone
beat the Lion King as a kid.

885
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:41.480
Oh, yeah, they've gone back
to it and it's just nails. Mary

886
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:44.960
can like speed Runnen that thing and
I'm like, I remember complaining it once.

887
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:48.079
It took behalf my lifetime. Anyway, that's been episode forty two of

888
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.719
game Spot after Dark. Thank you
so much for tuning in, and if

889
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.920
you have any questions for any email
at us, email us. I can

890
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:59.119
never do that. Email at us. Do you even know that Britney Spears

891
01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:03.519
had a song called email my Heart
and there's an incredible video of her talking

892
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:08.320
about email, and it's like her
in the late nineties going, well,

893
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:13.360
everyone's on email these days, and
so that's what I'm saying. I'm just

894
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:16.119
saying, email my heart should be
the way that we approach emails from that

895
01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.000
one. Yes, all right,
well, email our hearts at after Dark

896
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:25.639
podcast at GameSpot dot com, or
if you just want to join the discord,

897
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.760
you can message us on Twitter,
or you can email us and we'll

898
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:32.079
add you to the Discord server,
which we have a whole channel for questions

899
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:36.199
and then plus a bunch of other
stuff movies, comics, wrestling, TV

900
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:43.599
shows, games of course, but
please join the discord. It's great anyway.

901
01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:45.239
Kelly, where can people find you? And are you working on anything

902
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:49.320
this week? You can find me
on Twitter at inky Dojico, I m

903
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:58.119
k y d o j ikko and
you know, just the usual. What

904
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:02.400
about your your flower Guide? The
Flower Guide is really coming together. John

905
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:06.960
Luke has almost finished the graphics for
that to help visualize some of the more

906
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.000
difficult ones. And I'm really,
I really am proud of the Flower Guide.

907
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.439
Of course, credit for the information, for a lot of the information

908
01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:24.680
goes to the data miners. Polo's
Advanced Flower GenEx Guide was a big sours

909
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:29.199
and then I consulted a lot.
I've tested a lot, but I think

910
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:33.279
what we put together is really good. So there you go. So if

911
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:35.359
you're curious about what kind of flowers
you can get her, what kind of

912
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:39.239
flowers you want, you can check
that out. Lucy, where can people

913
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:43.760
find you? And is there anything
coming up? I think we'll figure that

914
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:50.600
out. Are you just really into
botany of these days? Quest? I'm

915
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:55.600
at Lucy James games on Twitter and
Instagram. What am I working on?

916
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.199
I'm working on some episodes of audiologs
that would do that I can't talk about,

917
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:05.600
but you should hopefully see one of
those very soon. And we have

918
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:10.279
played for all coming up, which
is starts on June first, so it's

919
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:14.520
kind of half hour E three replacement, covering all the big game announcements,

920
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:16.479
previews, et cetera. Everything you'd
come to expect from US E three and

921
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:20.159
then the other half. But I'm
more involved in is the charter stream,

922
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.880
so myself to more and chastity.
I've been booking guests in We're gonna have

923
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:30.359
friends of game spots, so like
people from the industry, we need some

924
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.199
names like Troy Baker, Greg Miller, Apex Legends, voiceovers, Assassin's Creed.

925
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.359
I'm trying to think what you said, Yeah, voice actors. What

926
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:47.680
did I say, voiceovers too?
Yeah, we've got like loads of people.

927
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:51.359
The schedule fell that should be coming
out soon. Actually we've got We've

928
01:09:51.359 --> 01:10:00.960
got hayesus. Yeah. Time is
so excited. His host is the best

929
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:04.840
and most enjoyable blood born speed runner
in the world. And I, like

930
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:08.800
Jane Julie went to and I was
like, please, sir, will you

931
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.880
stream for us? And he was
like, oh, hell yeah. He

932
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:14.439
was like yeah, let's do this, and like he's the nicest guy.

933
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:17.399
If you watch any of his like
a awesome game has done quick stuff,

934
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:21.199
like you will see why he's so
good. He like turns his speed runs

935
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:27.640
into their own narrative and tells the
story. It's so good and my favorite,

936
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.960
My favorite bit is his bit about
ladders. Yeah it's going to bring

937
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.399
that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm
not super into speed running, like games

938
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.560
don't quick never really interested me,
but whenever he's on, I typically tune

939
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.000
in for that because I think he's
very entertaining and he's really good at it.

940
01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.439
Just watching him, yea, describe
as you go, Like I mean,

941
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:51.720
streaming Bloodborne recently is difficult because talking
while playing that game is hard because

942
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:57.920
you're just so focused. But he
is like genuinely funny and entertaining and I'm

943
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.119
very excited for that. Speak which
to more, what are you working on?

944
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:03.239
And where can people find you?
And it looks like you're frozen.

945
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:09.640
You look angry though, well I'm
not frozen you I'm just being really still.

946
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:14.680
But you in a moment where it
was like you were angry. No

947
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.600
he did it again or I don't
know because it on in the background.

948
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.119
I'm trying to see that it's not
moving. You can find me on Twitter

949
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:30.399
so I can show him wowsed it? Wait? I'm on. This is

950
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.680
going to be such a weird podcast
for those it could really just because just

951
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:40.720
call it technically. If he's doing
again, well, you can find two

952
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:46.640
more at two more h on Twitter. I'm hoping you can come back in

953
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.239
to tell us what he's working on, but I imagine it's a lot of

954
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.439
good. Sorry, go ahead.
I'm just gonna say, check out his

955
01:11:54.800 --> 01:12:04.039
Ghosts of Tsushimama. You h He's
help and pull together all the games and

956
01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:12.520
charge guests for play for all schedule
coming soon. Be excited. He's probably

957
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:16.520
go viral. He's gonna go viral
and at some point again he always does.

958
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:21.319
You can find me at Jacob Deck
on Twitter. Uh. And I

959
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:26.159
have a Witcher video that went up
celebrating five years of that game. Oh

960
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:32.439
he's uh, oh, there is
celebrating five years of that game. And

961
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:36.640
uh, what's going on? A
review? I'm doing a review. It

962
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:44.880
should be coming next week. I
hate this scord. We'll see you next

963
01:12:44.920 --> 01:13:00.239
week. We're plugged all your stuff
for you, Thank you, veryman. No