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All right, let's try the Joe
Rogan intro here three two one, Okay,

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we're live and we've got Rodney on
the phone. Rodney is in what

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park, Texas? You live in? Rodney, I'm north these Texas.

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I'm actually in Mineola, Texas,
where I hunt, where I hang my

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hat. But uh, in an
hour, I can be in Louisiana,

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Arkansas or Oklahoma. So I'm real
close. Rodney is Uh. I got

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in touch with Rodney because I know
a little bit, just a little bit

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about what they do, and I
wanted to get him one here. So

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Rodney, thanks for coming on.
Why don't you just take a minute and

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tell us about the group of guys
that you have that y'all go out and

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hunt for these things and try to
gather information on them. Can you spend

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a few minutes talking about that?
Yeah? Absolutely, You know the group

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of guys which you know, we
do our expeditions and our hunts, you

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say, you know, we've been
together going on better than twenty years,

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a lot of us. You know. Of course, we've got some new

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guys that come aboard, and you
know, we got to school them and

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educate them on things they don't know
and you know, for your basic outdoors

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like myself twenty years ago, I
walked through the woods and you know,

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I didn't recognize tree breaks and twists
and formation. You don't walk up you

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know, never in a million years
thought that we had anything like that,

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especially down here where I lived.
And I was just mesmerized by it.

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Once I got out with active researchers
and found out that we got them right

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here. I don't have to go
to British Columbia, I don't have to

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go to Pacific Northwest. I mean, we've got them right here. What

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got me involved with it in the
very beginning was it? And I think

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in the seventy two I believe it
was the legend of Creek come out and

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being right there in Falk, Arkansas
is the hawk skipping a jump for us.

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So actually I started sitting sending out
of emails and stuff, and actually

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Smoky crabtreating the movie that it was
based on, put me in touch with

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the President and direct for TBRC.
I was just I was like a kid

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in a candy story. He's like, Wow, there's a big Foot group

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out here and they're meeting this weekend
twenty miles from me. I'm gonna be

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there, me le to say.
I jumped aboard right then, and I

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learned a lot from a lot of
those guys, and then several of them

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went out on their own, and
we kind of went out on our own

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independent research. You know. All
the politics were not that they were wrong,

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it just didn't fit my my billet
sell at the time. You know,

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I was wanting to learn more about
the creature itself and the tabots and

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and anything. I was like a
sponge man. I was like anything I

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could take, and I was taken
in and I started, you know,

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over the course over a period of
time, you know, you start developing

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fundamental skill as far as what to
look for in the seasons. And they

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are migratory type creatures and they do, you know, move, they do

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move with the vegetation in the animals
and the game trails. And a group

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of guys I'm with now, you
know, you know, they offered me

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a spot membershiping their group many many
years back, and we've been together ever

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since. It's like my primary family. I talked to them just about wanting

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to drew my own family, you
know, so well, let me stop

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you just real quick and ask a
question. I hope you don't mind me

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interrupting every once in a while.
But so you you leaped off into this

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topic, not because of an encounter
or anything you had as a kid,

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but you you saw some you saw
the Boggy Creek Monster movie. You just

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got real interested in it and that's
how you got started in it, right.

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Well, yes, and then my
grandmother, you know, of course

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growing up as a child, My
grandmother grew up and was Nakodochius, Texas,

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and she had an encounter as a
younger girl. And of course I

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heard that same story over and over
for you know, eleven and twelve years

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of my life, and it's like
I couldn't hear enough times, you know,

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I always had to hear it.
So I always had that, you

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know, that question marking the back
of my head. You know, that

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would be so you know, be
so cool to you know, to actually

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see one. And you know,
I'm a quest in my life, I

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ever got the opportunity that I would
be part of something like that, in

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hopes it would be blessed one day
to see one of these creatures. And

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you know, He's blessed me several
times through the past, and you know,

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I never I would give it up
for anything, So I guess my

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grandmother initially planned a feed in me. And then of course the movie.

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And I still watch that movie today. If it comes on, I'll watch

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it even I got the DVD.
It's just one of the things. It

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just it just keeps me on aginal
seat, and it just you know,

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now that I know more about it, and it's not too far fetch.

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I mean, you know, of
course you got you nonbelievers, and they're

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welcome to their they're welcome to their
opinion. And you know, it's like

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people come up to me all the
time. We're you know, in the

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b food community. Year under every
spirit and organization, no matter what you

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do, what you say, or
whatever didnce you produce would be tracked blood

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hair. They just want a body. And I'm sure the government's already got

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several, you know, no doubt
in my mind on the But you know,

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they say, well, can you
prove to me? There's how can

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you proved to me? There is? I said, how can proved to

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me? There's not two thousand titans
plus a year, even with you know,

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police officers and dash cams and you
know, not everybody's drinking and not

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everybody's on drugs. I mean,
it's a big primate. It's put here

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for a reason. For what that
is, we don't know, but it's

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here. I'm just curious. What
did your grandmother call them? Now?

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She called them, she call them
big foot, She called them a big

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foot. Now, that's usually all
my friends from a Mississippy way that they

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call them that, they call them
bookish, your older generation, for the

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most part, they'd call them.
They'd call them boogish. And of course,

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you know a lot of your Native
Americans and stuff. We had a

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few friends that actually grew up on
the reservations. They would, you know,

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they call them that. They call
them the tall one and shadows in

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the forest and they just all sorts
of tall one was probably the most popular.

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And yeah, my memal she huk
all it the big foot, and

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that's what her daddy told her it
was because she kept asking. It was

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because of course, there wasn't any
talk back in my oh lord, this

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would have been back in my forties, so there wasn't any talk of a

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big foot or you know, lots
of the crazy woman screaming in the woods

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again kind of where they got it. From and of course a crazy woman

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was a big foot screaming in the
wood doing this thing. You just wasn't

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you know what the popularity of would
be. Food. It wasn't notorized back

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then, you know, there was
no no notoriety of it. You know,

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it just wasn't heard of. Yeah, that's funny, you said,

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that's what I called my grandmother,
mama, my mama on people. That's

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that's what we told him. You
were kind of introduced to it by your

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grandmother, and then you're you're seeing
things on in the media about it,

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movies andthing. You get really interested. Then you joined this group and you're

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you're kind of praying for an encounter. Can you can you kind of move

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to that and let us Can you
talk about your first encounter? Tell tell

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them all that that's what that was
like. Yeah, absolutely, first encounter.

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You know, we was the normal
search missions. Actually just my son

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and I went out to walk game
trails and everything we wanted to. We

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was just going, you know,
to see if anything, you know,

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the deer and your bigger wildlife have
been moving through, you know, from

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the feet owners to blackberries and you
know, all of your forges. They

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would go for us that it was
blooming yet. This was April of two

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thousand and eight, would be the
first time my son and a he was

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young, he's young guy, fourteen
years old. And I, of course

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I had my you know, I
had my handgun with me under know,

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under my blue jean jacket. My
son has a little he had a little

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crossbow with him. I'm sorry,
he's a little compound bow. We were

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walking through and we were at the
Seven River Bottoms. You know, it's

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pretty expansive, it's a it's a
large place, bust up to a wildlife

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management area. We come down through
this draw and we could hear I could

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hear something at this time, and
you know, I wasn't new to it

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then. I knew what the cast
singles one call sound like tree knock little

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whistles, and I could hear that
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We just told, you know,
my son, we just kept onward through

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the fog. We would say,
you know, we just kept kept our

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nose to the grounds, done walking
the trail. And as we come up

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around this, I guess his bend
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mine in the Fining Woods region and
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It's it's sick, but you can
see twenty thirty yards of visibility and

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you can see through the brush and
stuff like that. And of course the

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big pines they're you know, they're
staggered out. And as we come up

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by this, probably about fifteen twenty
yards, I would say this time,

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this thing just steps out with its
left foot. It steps out in the

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middle of the trail, with its
arm hanging down on the left side it's

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right hand. It's still got ahold
of the tree. You know, this

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tree it's probably sows a betting man, probably eighteen twenty inches in diameter.

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And the way he had his hand
around the tree, as I could see

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his finger tip on one side and
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side, the side of the spacing
us, so he's almost palm in the

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street. We're looking at his face. He was a startled that us being

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there, is it's stepping in front
of us because we both come to the

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hall. Of course, my son
being a john you uzzy, you know,

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he didn't know what to do,
and be quite awesomely, I didn't

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know what to do either, but
I knew not to run. But it

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wasn't acting aggressive or anything of Latin
nature. It did. I mean,

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there's something you'll hear a lot of
times, even as I listened to some

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of your videos, like it'll flip
their lip, you know, the top

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clipp it flip the flip and fold
it in a couple of times. And

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it didn't let a low, you
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but not it's more like a dog
at you spooked or something. It was

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like, you know, just a
real short, gasping a good old growl.

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I mean you could feel it in
your chest, you really could.

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And I don't know if that's how
they produced this infrasound that they do or

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part of their you know, part
of their quiset to pay hunt with or

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whatever, but it does praise you. And you know, it's like after

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this thing, I would guess was
probably as he went on about his business,

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we kind of the top of my
standing, the top of my fingers

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or at eight foot and his head
you know, of course they've kind of

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been over a little bit. Top
of his head was still around the eighth

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footmark, and of course this thing
kind of goes down, you know,

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is left arm is the one hand
to the side that's down, you know,

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probably about six inches blue his knees. He kind of goes down like

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he's gonna go on foards and you
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has his compound bowl and he's got
it hanging down to the side. Nothing

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aggressive. And I start to reach
into my jacket as he goes down on

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fours because I always keep one in
the pipe blocks and loaded just in case.

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But I didn't want to have to
go there because I always told myself

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I don't want to ever shoot one, because I definitely don't mean no harm.

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I just soon put my hand up
and wave at it, and I

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hope that some type of communication,
be honest with you. But being my

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son was there, and if I
had to, I definitely would have been

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a jump forward or anything like that. I believe I could have empted the

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cliff. It would have done a
lot of good, but it would have

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been it would have been worth,
you know, to say my son myself.

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But I just told my son,
I said, look, don't make

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our contact with it. Looked down
and we both kind of looked toward the

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ground. I said, we're gonna
start taking a few backsteps. And we

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started. So it stood back up
again, and as fast as it appeared,

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it disappeared. Now, when I
say disappeared, you hear stuff all

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the time about all these things time
warping and all this stuff. Well,

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I'm not a big believer in that
personally, and that's just my own personal

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outtake of it. But I could
see clearly, you know, for like

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I said, about twenty five thirty
yards in any direction. And I've seen

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it go past the tree and down
this draw and I seen it look back

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over its left shoulder one time at
us, and it seem that we wasn't

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doing anything aggressive. We wasn't running, we wasn't moving. But I was

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trying to was Bob in my head, trying to watch this thing. And

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as it got about twenty five thirty
yards from us, I walked up to

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the tree in which it had come
out from behind and look, and I

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couldn't see it. I could hear, you know, it sounded like a

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little miniature bulldozer, a bobcat going
through there. You could see you the

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tops of these the saplings and stuff, you know, these ten twelve fourteen

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put sapling just leaning over as it
was going through. Is pushing on them.

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But I could never see it again
after that. Of course, some

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more whistles and stuff come from the
east of us, and and I actually

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used some ball whistles come from behind
us. You know, it's amazing how

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fast it blended, blended, because
it's a master of rich environment, no

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doubt about it. There's a master
of rich environment. You could walk.

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I mean, I should have seen
the thing standing beside the tree before I

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ever got to the tree. And
it's like, because I'm very observant,

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you know, because there's you know, there's an occasional bear there, a

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little black bear, but you know, bears of bear hogs. You know,

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we got big cats down here,
and you know, of course yodes

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where general I don't worry about those
too much, but you know, the

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big cats they do jump out of
trees and they make their shove well alone,

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you know, and you know there
is a dangerous while I cast out

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on when you become them in the
wood, and this thing just disappeared,

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and I could hear it paced us
all the way. We probably quart them

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off in the parking area. I'm
pretty sure there was a couple of them

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pacing us, and we'd stop it
would stop your normal And I told my

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son, I said, they're gonna
follow us about all the way out.

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They've come this far, they're gonna
follow us all the way up. Of

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course, you have a little rock
and pebble. Sometime you there's something get

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thrown, not at us, but
by us. This is kind of their

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way of letting us know that they
keep on moving, you know. That's

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that's what they're telling you. Of
course, when I got out of there,

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we got back to the vehicles,
don't loaded up we were. That's

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kind of when the adrenaline really hid
in and so like you really sat in

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on on what had just happened,
and you got to kind of soak it

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all in and evaluate and reevaluate.
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and plain to them and what it
had And then a few days later myself

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along with one of other colleagues,
we went out and as we went in

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there, you know we've seen a
little bit more territorial markers. Started ex

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formations kind of went in a different
different direction and went that away and seen

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those markers, you know, out
of you know, I would definetator to

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get into the warnings. They're very
adamant about and that's why they put all

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other especially the ex formations that I
mean when you see one of those,

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that just a territorial marker for other
big foot or whatever and also for us

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humans even though most people have not
a clue what it is. But it

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is a big old keep outside basically
if you spelt out in English for everybody

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you know, a lot of people
have found found that that's the hard way,

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being chased out, having rocks thrown
at them, I mean, tree

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trunks slung at them. I mean, I've seen I've seen him quite a

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bit. I'm curious about your son. Does he talk about this? How

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old is he now? Each twenty? Now, it's amazing you had a

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or witness there with you, so
you can corroborate everything. It's not like

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you were out there just thinking you
saw something. I mean, y'all really

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saw it. Oh yeah, yeah, And he thinks about it and uh,

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it's not that's not the scariest in
gunner he's been involved in. But

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he's had one of the more hair
and that. But it wasn't you know,

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it didn't do anything to him or
anything. But is he a part

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of your group? Yes? There
he is, Okay, So it's a

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father son deal. That's great.
That must be fun for y'all. Y'all

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y'all go out camping and stuff on
your excursions and is that how do you

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do that? Well, we usually
have planning, you know, playing event.

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We usually you know, pick a
date and look at the weather and

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uh timy year, you know,
knowing if these things should or possibly to

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be moving through, and we planned
around the times, and you know,

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sometimes it's just him and I and
you know, we've introduced another lifetime friend

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of his is into it, and
of course his father's had encounters in his

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middle life, you know, middle
life, and you know it's fun to

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hear is encounters and stories and no
the young getting younger generation involved involved in

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something like it, or they take
notice and get comfortable with it, you

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know, as an outstanding and an
outstanding they should being father and something like

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you're saying it. I mean,
there's there's not too many father and suns

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they can say they've been getting in
experience what we've been into. Yeah,

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well, it definitely gives y'all something
to talk or talk about it at the

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dinner table. I'm sure. So
that's your first encounter and it wasn't a

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violent encounter. It was a pretty
benign encountering this thing. This thing pretty

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much just walked away and they tracked
you out moving forward. How how have

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things progressed with your with your search
for this thing? Other you said your

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son had a more hairy encounter.
Do do you have y'all ever had any

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aggressive behavior from them? Well,
we've had I mean we've had some pretty

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size boulders. I call them boulders
because there's a size of the little bowling

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ball. And I mean we've had
them launched, We've we've seen them be

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they've been launched from the tree line, which would be you know, forty

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fifty feet from us. Of course
it was in the late nay evenings and

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stuff. And this thing these things
come now where they are where they got

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them from. I have no idea, but there's to have something with an

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opposing thumb, So no the other
questions or bear anything to throw anything and

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anybody, you know, these things
come launching out of the tree line would

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well quite a bit of velocity,
and I mean how these things are so

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actually, I'm pretty sure it's part
of their running skills. I mean,

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these things can launch tree trunks,
I mean, you know, I believe

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it six eight foot tree trunk gets
slung like a boomerang. I mean,

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and you can hear it coming through
the air man's man, I mean literally

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you can. You can hear it
coming through the airs. You can imagine

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when you pick up us helicopter.
It's horrible. And but we've had you

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know, we've had them screaming holler. I mean in the pitch Black and

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you know, you can watch one
I'm a fleg and you can watch it

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running. But when it's running at
and screaming, and then you look off

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and there's another one and they're screaming
obviously being that goodinal growl. When these

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things growl, it's not like going
to the zoo and listening to one of

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the Big Five growl at you.
It's a whole different deal. I mean,

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you're way beyond paying attention. You're
way beyond that these things are.

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You know, I grew up in
it was a very outdoors guy. I'm

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not scared of anything, and these
things make me nervous. Gay. I

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mean, you know, I have
ever I mean anything that can launch rocks

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that you know I use two hands
to pick up for the most part,

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and these things are chumping. I'm
like, they're you know, tennis ball,

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and when they hit the ground day
in bed in the ground, it's

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like, you know, there's several
different occasions, you know, fine pigs

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and pigs have been of course,
the lego be tore off from where it

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slung it against the tree, you
know, actually be rib, part of

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the rib cage embedded into the tree. Of course, they take what they

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want, you know, it's just
something that can do that. Especially a

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hog is mean as them things are. I mean, we're not talking little

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babies and we're talking solls and hogs
up in the three hundred pound plus range,

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you know, big is huge ones
cowels or the next you know,

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next folded back, you know,
just pulled straight back and the lads tore

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off, and the strength of these
things is unimaginable. I wouldn't want one

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to get ahold of me, It
really wouldn't not just you know, and

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I pray to God every time I
go out to allow that thing to know

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that I meaning no harm onceoever,
and I would never never try to violate

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it in space of privacy and in
that matter. But these other things that

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are running out there I'm gonna call
them what they are. They're monsters and

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these things with the snouts, and
that's a whole different topic because we're not

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talking about the same species or or
animal at all. What do you want

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to do? You want to talk
about that now or do you want to

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hold it for a later I mean, that's a you and I talked about

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that earlier today when we set this
appointment up to do this recording, and

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that's fascinating stuff. You want to
wait or you want to talk about yourself,

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I'll get in. I'll get into
it. I'll say about the other

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encounter in the sunlight. We were
up there and up an Oklahoma area and

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the came Echeas and we actually was
waiting for one other ties to show up

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next morning. And where we had
up there's a wildlife management area that bus

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right up to the It's an old
camp ground. I mean it's and it's

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old. I mean there's no no
water, no electors, no anything.

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It's just an old fishing camp.
So it is. Of course, I

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poughked my truck up there in front
of the tent, and uh, you

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know, it was colder and naild, and this was a mid February and

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we're sitting there and we're asleep.
Of course, I got my little little

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rat terrier. Of course, you
know, he thinks he's a pit bull

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all. He thinks he's mean,
but it's about twenty pounds of of nerard

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fatness is all he is. He
thinks he's something. But he just said,

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it looks like a big old sausage
with a little head on it.

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He's crazy. Ye oh yeah.
Well, Dylan is about about two o'clock

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in the morning. No, he
needs to relieve itself. So he opened

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up the tent for him, and
I said, look, just just step

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out and move to the ride and
you'll bill okay. You know, of

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course my dog needed to go at
the same time. Well, the dog

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goes out around the edge of the
channel. I've been hearing I've been hearing

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something move around back behind the chant, which I didn't think much of it

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because they have a lot of raccoons. We've done run a couple of them

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alls. They trying to take her. We've made some soup and unless the

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cans out. Of course they got
my trash. Had to run them off,

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and didn't think a lot about it. But then I kept hearing something,

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and it's something first time this has
happened. You heard something sniffing,

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sniffing around the base of the tent. It was more than asually than a

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year or year. I was,
you know, very deep. I mean,

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the breastless thing was when is in
Helen was quite large, and I'm

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sitting there thinking, and every once
in a while, as I could hear

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a year or something slapped the fabric
of the outside of the tent on the

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backside. So and I hadn't heard
it for a while, but evidently one

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of these things, whether it been
a had a lesson a younger one would

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be my guest must have been kind
of hunkered down on the back shide of

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the canny real plus proximity of it. So when the dog walking on that

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first corner, you would have thought
he got hit by a car. He

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screeched, scared the hell out of
me and my son. He saw the

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back into the tent and he's got
done yet. So you can use your

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imagination if there was a rainbow in
the air, right, and that's why

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what the hell and the dog applied
back in the tent. He was still

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year and I on himself and then
I hear the same runoff I jumped out

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of ten, I hit the spoiler, of course, go through it.

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I'm looking for an eyeshine morning,
any shadow a career, I'm looking for

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eyeshine. It's always a nice red
red year, you know, a glowing

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red eyes. You know why there's
that color, I don't know, but

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let's just I look for sea.
It wounded up being more funny than anything,

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but it was scarier at the time
because you know, he's a poor

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fellow, he's the ass he's asked
away heading there, and dogs come to

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speech it in haller and buck around
at him, and and then if they

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think passed up, takes out run
and carried me that it all happened,

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because that was, you know,
all just relaxed, just laying there and

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and all this brake flews. It's
like he to say, I didn't sleep

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sleep a winkle wrestling night, and
or did he? And he you know,

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we slept in the center of this
tenth and six man tenth. You

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know, it's just it's just one
of the one of the simple, I

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guess, simpler encounters. But for
as aggressive I mean, we've been,

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we've been run out of the woods
like on day tres the stuff myself and

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not my son on Listen to my
colleagues. We've had these things literally chase

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us out. I mean you they
chase us out. We were running from

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it and it was running behind us, and when it got to the tree

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line and we broke into a clearing, gets close enough to our vehicle and

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we've had it, you know,
a dent knocked into the back of the

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trunk and stuff like that on the
quarter path back behind the right rear wheel,

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you know, as we took off
flapp it's real good like it and

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it was dark, but I mean, yeah, it was coming. I

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mean if we wouldn't have been a
few steps ahead over or we don't know

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what would happen, to be honest
with y'all, be just your speculation there.

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I mean, it may have let
us go. It may have mold

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us up. I don't know,
but I know it was started out chumping,

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jumping things at us and screaming and
are in a very valid manner.

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We may have been too. Plus
may have been a cub, you know,

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young and they're somewhere. We've only
seen one female in my time,

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you know, of course, you
can see shed breast and everything, and

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she was a little out of it
about making sure we didn't come any closer

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than the males. Chimed in and
they run us out of there. They

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let us o real quick. They
did not want us there, and of

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course we listened to their instruction.
You know, we got out of there.

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Dealing with one's a look different than
three or four. I mean,

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we've been surrounded by I would say
three to four these things at a time.

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And it's not like, you know, it's a real top family unit.

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I've never been even near one that
I know of, But I think

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I'm gonna know if they want me
gone. And you just know that,

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don't you? You feel it?
It's not that you you know, sometimes

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you get this an's look. I'm
being watched. You really need to pay

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attention man watching. If it's still
like something watching them, You'll tell yourself,

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now, Hall never know that to
happen out here, and you keep

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that feeling. Chances are you know
I heard you saying something other or not

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about you'll put up your gear nets
and stuff dearly. You'll let deer come

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in and pick your fruit trees and
your stuff like that, you know,

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thrown them up for you. They
follow them, you know them berries and

407
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if you've got berries, and when
and while the fruit and stuff like that

408
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:21,079
growing and the gear are coming.
I can assure you you would there be

409
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:25,160
any kind around your house that you've
got one somewhere, not real far from

410
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:30,319
you. Just the crazy things they
do. They just do some whether it

411
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,839
be horse trading with you know,
they'll take your stuff and leave your skull.

412
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,799
You'll find the skull that you know
wasn't there the other day, rock

413
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,680
that don't belong in that area.
They'll just show up. You'll find them

414
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,880
in a power or stratch up or
even up by your house. Sometimes you'll

415
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,319
find you'll start focusing on things that
you never would have looked for before.

416
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,640
When you start once they let you
know that, hey, this is what

417
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,880
I do. You know, everyone
has got their own calling guard, I

418
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,319
guess you would say. And you'll
find the limbs and aren't from any trees

419
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,440
that you have right there in your
immediate area. You know, sometimes it's

420
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,720
people just overlook at you see a
branch. Again, we really don't process

421
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:15,759
that, but you go look at
that kind of something that's that simple can

422
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:19,079
be the difference whether you have one
run in your media area, immediate area,

423
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,960
or if it's just passing through or
migrating to north or south and looking

424
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:29,039
for a mate. There's just so
many difference, just so many different scenarios

425
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:33,279
it can play out. That's funny. Every time I talk to somebody out

426
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,519
they say something, it's like you
just mentioned, there'll be a tree limb

427
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,440
laying there that doesn't belong there.
On one of these old logging roads that

428
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,279
I take my dogs back on,
there's a bunch of hardwood back there,

429
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,880
and then there's a bunch of pine
pine thickets. About a week ago,

430
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,880
we had a pretty good wind come
through and I walked pack there was a

431
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,240
pine branch right in the middle of
the road. And I walked past it

432
00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,319
two or three days in a road, and then I stopped yesterday and I

433
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,599
was going to move it out of
the way, because I run my four

434
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,759
wheeler back through there every once in
a while. And I got to looking

435
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,960
around, and that's in the middle
of the hardwoods. There's not a pine

436
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,720
tree for a hundred yards in either
direction. And I know the wind wasn't

437
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960
wasn't strong enough to blow it through
the woods. And all the way out

438
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,960
in that road is that what you're
talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking

439
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,200
about. Something just that subtle.
It's something that's subtle that they may be

440
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,480
putting that there to see if you
realize that that's even happening. And then

441
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,799
once they see that, it draws
your attention. You may be looking for

442
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,720
more of those type of branches,
even closer to your house and just keeping

443
00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,640
eye on things like that, and
then things I like that. I mean,

444
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:47,240
rocks, rocks are their favorites.
Rocks. They'll bring rock, river

445
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,920
stones and some types of a larger
pea, gravel and stuff. Well,

446
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,799
there's none of this around hearing What
the hill is this rock doing way up

447
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:57,359
here? I mean, where did
this come from? I had dug up

448
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
one of these around my house of
twenty Here is where this come from.

449
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,200
Sometimes, you know, they'll set
it in the most obvious place where they

450
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:07,960
know that you. Frequently they see, you know, walk your animals,

451
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,000
dogs, you know, notice some
other things. You've got a good plan

452
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:15,720
I call it, or a family
unit. They see that you're In general,

453
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:18,240
they don't like dogs because dogs give
them up. Dogs will for the

454
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,680
most part start barking at them,
give away their location and stuff. And

455
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:29,440
this is why you hear so many
dog fatalities and injury to dogs themselves in

456
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,000
that nature because and that's what happens
now. And you do also have the

457
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,599
ones to see that you love and
take care of your animals. And they

458
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,079
also they know what affection is.
You know, they have it as a

459
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:44,160
family units. I can see primate
thrillas you know, mother's holding their young

460
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,200
that they actually nurture, the nurture
their own and they recognize that you don't

461
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,160
have a negative attitude or they can
feel these things. And you know,

462
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,880
you can feel attension. You don't
have to see it. You can feel

463
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,920
it if somebody's upset or in their
body language, you can you know they

464
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000
read a lot off of that.
Dogs can pick that up. I know

465
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:07,920
that about dogs. They know when
I'm tense, and they know when I'm

466
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,839
angry, and they know when I'm
happy. And so yeah, I agree

467
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:18,799
with that. That is so funny. Horses number one. Yeah, I'm

468
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,720
I'm horrible with horses. I I
avoid them. Every horse I've ever been

469
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,119
on tried to kill me, so
I just stay away from him. But

470
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,000
that's funny because Rick Wells Woodbooger Farm. Are you familiar with him. I've

471
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:33,799
heard the name. I don't know
personally. He lives up in Kentucky.

472
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,000
Just a great guy, and he
emails me every once a while. And

473
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000
after he heard that heard me say
that, he was like, you got

474
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,400
them. You got them there.
If they're picking all your blackberries, you

475
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,359
got them. I just can't here, I can't. I just can't believe

476
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,119
it. It's just hard for me
to believe because I just don't. I'm

477
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,400
not that observing, I guess.
But anyway, well, now, so

478
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:59,200
through all your studies and you're it's
not scientific study, but you're you guys

479
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,079
are observer, and you're always looking
for anything different, anything strange that you

480
00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:07,240
cannot that you can connect with these
things. And then you just start putting

481
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,920
two and two together, don't you? And you yeah, a lot of

482
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,599
it is times it's like the first
cast I casted from down in that area

483
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,559
you know down there, you know
is you know, it's outside of Paris

484
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,160
taxes and I got this cast.
Well, mister Chilcut, which I know,

485
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,119
you remember that name, he was
at forensic. He does all the

486
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,319
fingerprints and the footprints and stuff.
This is what he does. And of

487
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,119
course Jeff Melgram and my footprint got
presented to him. That's why he was

488
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:41,079
you know, they have a big
foot college in Jefferson, Texas. Once

489
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:45,359
you hear my cast was presented to
him, and he went over with a

490
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,960
fine tooth gull and it was it
was deemed of an unknown primary appreciate.

491
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:52,319
It was you know what we call
it, thirteen seventy six. I mean

492
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,200
it wasn't the thirteen inches long,
seven inches across the ball, six at

493
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,960
the heel. And this one.
I'd seen this thing at nighttime from from

494
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,599
probably about seventy five yards. We
built when we go out, we'll build

495
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,960
two or three different fires, dummy
fires would call them, you know,

496
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,519
but we and we'll sit at one. But we looked and I could see

497
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:22,440
something messing around the fire or the
glows of the hambers and the fire,

498
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,240
and of course lo and behold what
over then we can see it was,

499
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,359
you know, it was messed with
and everything. And of course didn't see

500
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,240
it very clearly to that next morning. Well, man, just a perfect

501
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,000
footprint. Many hit all the toes. I mean there's so much detail.

502
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,839
I mean, see the toeails.
You could just see. It's such a

503
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,119
perfect cast. And you know,
as my first cast to personally cast myself.

504
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,279
So it was a real big deal
to me, you know, and

505
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:51,839
I still got into this day.
It's like, man, wow, you

506
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,359
know, yeah, the footprint,
you know, Okay, they're hard to

507
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:59,000
come across and couldn't do it smart. They're very smart trying on to leave

508
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,519
tricks. And that's why you see
a lot of these, a lot of

509
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,400
these videos and these pictures of these
trees that are bowed over. You know,

510
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,920
they'll use these things. They'll jump
up off tree and they'll swing on

511
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,880
the dude, you know, bowl
at tree over. Of course that helps

512
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,759
some skip about twenty foot you know
when they get up on these trees and

513
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,839
ride the top of other back down
to the ground, and you know,

514
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,559
it throws you off and it helps
to different things. You know, I've

515
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,680
heard this before and I agree with
it. Is the tension off that tree

516
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:31,119
that bowl is over. It keeps
from the impact, the landing impact.

517
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,839
It probably helps some absorber injury.
You know, when you have something like

518
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,799
that, it you know, helps
cushing their fall. It kind of like

519
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,039
a spring. It gets so far
and then as they go over and there

520
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,519
are already on the ground. But
you see these mainly in pine trees because

521
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:47,960
they're flexible, and these little Douglas
furs and stuff like that. You'll see

522
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,119
them, you know, arched over
and you'll start seeing that, and a

523
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,039
lot of the woods. If you
start really walking through and paying attention real

524
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,880
good, you'll see these things.
These trees are just arched, perfect arches.

525
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Well it's not from winterfall or snow
the way to the snow hanging on

526
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,679
them to give that appearance. But
then you got all these other trees are

527
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,320
right around it that aren't doing anything. So any more. You start looking

528
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,079
at that. My wife and you
know, started getting real good and noticing

529
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,920
tree breaks and twists and man,
we've tried to simulate them with chain tongs,

530
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:27,280
chain ranges, strapp ranges. All
right, well that's interesting. I

531
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,159
got trees bows too, But we're
not gonna go off on that rabbit hole.

532
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:37,159
Let's see you got them. I'm
I'm gonna keep saying I don't.

533
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,800
But but you know why I say
that, because I live in North Mississippi

534
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,960
and we're just in the mud.
We don't have any rocks or you know,

535
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,599
it's just went all winter long.
We're just in the mud. And

536
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,239
I look, I've gotten to where
I just kind of I'm not used to

537
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,639
looking down while I walk, unless
I'm looking where I'm stepping. But I've

538
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:59,320
gotten where I kind of I'll check
down, you know, for thirty forty

539
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,800
yards, and then I'll start looking
at everything else. And I never I'm

540
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,960
looking for a track. If I
ever saw a track, I'd say,

541
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,880
yep, up there here. But
uh but anyway, now you got how

542
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,079
long? Let's see, you got
into this in two thousand and eight,

543
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,960
is that right? Well, that's
that's when I had my first That's when

544
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,079
we had our first siding. Now
I mean I got I got into it

545
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,880
and started actively researching, you know, going out as a as a team,

546
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,079
as a teammate or know, the
part of an expedition team. Probably

547
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,960
around two thousand, two thousand and
one. And you know, of course

548
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,199
I was. I was on the
computer, non stop buzz research and the

549
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:43,199
actually are I live he Actually you
can look it up on the database on

550
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,760
the website you look at, you
know, the sidings database as one you

551
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,000
look for, it's gonna be uh
I believe it says many old Texas on

552
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:57,960
it. And actually it's a stone's
throw from my house now, and there's

553
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,360
actually a lady that lives and I
know exactly where the else is. I

554
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,960
mean, we went did an interview
this lady. You can actually see where

555
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,119
hunter children they're that a German shepherd
dog at the time. And they went

556
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,880
back to just right behind the house, and the husband was a church driver.

557
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:17,119
She started having you know, hearing
things and stuff like it was didn't

558
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,880
think much of it. But one
day they went back to pick a bush

559
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,480
a little blackberries. The dog kept
getting in front of her, turning to

560
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:28,639
blalker from getting to the BlackBerry bush. A huge bush. Man is huge

561
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,800
because this thing stood up from on
the backside of it and a towered above

562
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,880
it, and of course give him
a good stare down. Of course the

563
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:44,360
dog. They beat the dog to
the house, you know, so uh

564
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,480
and you can and you can look
that one up. I mean that one

565
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:52,880
that's that's been verified and uh,
that's out. There's another church family just

566
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:58,559
out there behind the lake fork and
which is twenty miles probably from where that

567
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,679
siding is. Family coming home from
church. Notice the one we're behind the

568
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,559
spillway by the dam and it's very
open there. I mean you see one

569
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,159
you watch it run for hundreds of
yards before you get back into the woods,

570
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,440
and they watched it across you know, Highway one eighty two or FM

571
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,119
one eighty two which is behind runs
behind the dam. But like four,

572
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,559
you know, this is a family
coming home from church. So let's just

573
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:25,800
two starlings try here. And there's
been several others that wasn't reported. You

574
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,639
know a lot of people were afraid
to being ridiculed. And and then you

575
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:34,639
don't understand that better than anybody.
I got family that rises the hell out

576
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,800
of me over it, and I'll
tell them, well, you know,

577
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,559
instead of ridicule, I mean what
you go out, No I would Okay,

578
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:45,079
I'll see how that is. Just
share it. Then when we go

579
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,840
see the truth, you know,
and you can't gantee you know, I

580
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,639
can't know. I'll take you out
and this is going to happen. I

581
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,519
can just about promise you're here.
Tree knocks and man calls if you know

582
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,519
what you're listening for. I can
about day and see that I happened.

583
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,320
But can I guarantee you one's gonna
walk up into camp. We've had that

584
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,079
happen just everybody else doing everything.
And uh, you hear something about pedal,

585
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,920
you know about pele coming up behind
us in the woods, just just

586
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:16,079
just like you are coming up from
from ben out fishing, come walking back

587
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:21,039
up into camp, and of course
just stop shout out outside of camp.

588
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,239
I mean you know, you're talking
twenty thirty feet just outside of the glow

589
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,960
of the fire and you hit the
flares unit out that way and you can

590
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,280
see it standing everybody as large as
life. And then myself with a guy

591
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,360
with the video. You know,
you're trying to document, document everything,

592
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,119
I mean, every question. I
mean it requires sty calcular evidence. I

593
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,880
mean it requires this, so we
get in after it. Mean you know,

594
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,599
we run in after it. I
mean trying to get a shot,

595
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:50,280
get that money shot, you know, right yea, and uh, of

596
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,679
course we've already with the group and
everything. Of course a lot that stuffs

597
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:57,000
copyright, so you know, of
course I can't think anythink anybody. But

598
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,599
you can go MK Davis's web and
you can see some of the video.

599
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:05,239
I mean, we've got three of
them in one frame to them having a

600
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,920
pushing match and a bigger one shows
up that just makes these things look like

601
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:13,760
look like nothing. I mean,
this things huge and it's just pushing gen

602
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,280
foot plus I mean, and you
can see it. I mean, you

603
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,920
know, it's always blurrier. What
they don't know in these videos is you

604
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,599
see these you see these creatures,
but it's not a direct shot at these

605
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,079
creatures. What we did or we
did to be able to capture these things

606
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,400
because they're very camera smart. Like
I said, these things are masters in

607
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,079
their environment. You know, we'll
here this time and time again if people

608
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,679
put game cameras out and being messed
with, turn torn up, disappear.

609
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,159
You're here this time and time again. But we got them interested in mirrors.

610
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,199
We set mirrors up against trees and
we shoot the camera at the mirror

611
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:58,119
which would reflect show you the reflection
back behind behind them. So some of

612
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,079
the shots are you know, they're
a little boy. You still see what

613
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:02,800
they are, you know. And
there's a couple of m J. Davis

614
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,960
uh uh and each Texas uh you
can you can see you can go watch

615
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,960
him yourself and and kind of look
at him. There's one that it's joined

616
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,079
into a garden, a garden area
and this is right inside our friend's house.

617
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:20,119
I mean, they go in and
take corn. I'm not sure if

618
00:40:20,119 --> 00:40:22,000
he's got that one on there,
but these steps over the sense comes back

619
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,960
out with a corn cob in his
mouth. And it's a it's a very

620
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:30,440
small one. The thing about a
thousand real thin, you know. It

621
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,760
didn't feel it out yet, I
don't mean, but it looks like it's

622
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:38,320
a little small hairy man and it
moves a lot quicker, and it's got

623
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,199
a long ladies steps side over that
ball fare fence, like you know,

624
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,840
the steps over the mirror. How
big a mirror do you use? We

625
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:50,639
use like the mirrors that you see
on the back of here, like a

626
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,840
little free or four dollars mirrors you
buy like loaths and did you get on

627
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,159
uh you put on the back of
your doors in the bedroom or something real

628
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,239
fee. It's cheesy. They're about
or foot by true foot or foot by

629
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,719
foot and a half in with and
you're just uh. We prop them up

630
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,880
against the trees and different angles,
and of course shoot the camera, you

631
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,039
know, mirror You point the camera
half the mirror, yes, sir,

632
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,159
and that gives you the reflection back
behind you in any angle you want to

633
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:22,159
watch. That is that is a
brilliant way to do that. I have

634
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,519
never thought of that anyway. Go
ahead. When we started doing that,

635
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:34,239
our luck change change for the better. I mean, we started getting we

636
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,559
started getting crazy, you know,
just crazy video, and it's like,

637
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,280
wow, that's all we have to
do. It's like, you know,

638
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,559
and of course you everyone to come
up every this is one big one.

639
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,559
He come up in a it's seen
its reflection in the tree on the mirror,

640
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,960
and of course the tree that it
was showing it thought there was another

641
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:57,800
sess. Watch ever, so it
attacks the tree, you know, and

642
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,039
you fit in. This tree's huge
and the trees and old Peno is probably

643
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:05,320
a hundred years old. It's four
foot in diameter five foot at the face.

644
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,000
This thing hits this tree. It
sounds like a truck hit in the

645
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,800
tree, I mean, and you
can hear the upper branches rattle. Of

646
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,719
course, dimind you, this is
the middle of the night. You got

647
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,400
the r glow from the hour,
you know, light on it, so

648
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,519
you never see anything besides some gray
you know, you see some charcoal gray

649
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:27,599
hair, ducally, and you hear
this thing grunt and it stuff like you're

650
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,719
trying the roots. This tree is
giving it all. And had it been

651
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,679
a smaller tree, you know,
two three foot, I would believe it

652
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,039
might have got it to lean a
little bit. But now let me I

653
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:45,400
know everybody listing is there. I
can already see the comments. Where are

654
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,079
the pictures? Where are the videos? Where are the pictures? Where everybody

655
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,760
wants to see the pictures and videos? Do you have a do you got

656
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:57,400
does your group or do you have
a social media side or something? A

657
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,159
lot of that stuff is it's coffee, right, and they do not post

658
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:07,159
a lot of it. However,
one of the members did release a couple

659
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:09,280
of them too. If you go
to MK Davis, very well known,

660
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,199
he tried to and hand do some
enhancements on it. You can actually look

661
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,639
look up at the MK Davis Parish
chexes and he's got a couple of videos.

662
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:23,639
An error and them two in which
I told you you got one called

663
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,280
Whitey running. He's got off.
There's a white one and it gets taught

664
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:34,199
by the reflection of the camera,
the camera to the mirror like I'm Tanya

665
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,679
wasn't twenty directly, if you can
see this thing running from left to ride,

666
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,719
it comes back behind the barn and
it's across a ditch and back behind

667
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,760
the house. And see this thing
the blistering speed in which it can move

668
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:51,360
at that size. First of all, jaw dropping, and of course you

669
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,079
still have the three that the two
having a shoving match. There's a white

670
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:01,000
one in black one having a shoving
match. And then this big one comes

671
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:07,079
into view and right behind it there's
a tool shack at the edge of the

672
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:12,599
eve of it is. It's seven
foot and you can see this thing.

673
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,840
I tell us above that evil that
tool shack a foot and a half to

674
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,880
two foots so. And there's another
one that's down in the ditch. You

675
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,679
think it's doing something else. What
it is it's a local bread that we

676
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,800
had put out. And they're not
big lovers of bread. They love little

677
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,679
daby snacks. Yeah, man,
I'm telling you that they lovel like a

678
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,920
little three month of the gear of
art. Yeah. They We've found out

679
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,199
if you screw a bucket of the
tree and cut the lid in half,

680
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,159
top portion of it on working at
the bottom, the raccoons and stuff can't

681
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:47,719
get in there foot off the ground. So the whole whole corns in there.

682
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,960
A little davy snack you can file. You can follow the rappers for

683
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,800
day. But we put a local
bread in there. Ever now and then

684
00:44:54,039 --> 00:45:00,280
a whole oval bread. Well,
you see this video of this local bread

685
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,400
getting chunked into a creek basin.
You know, you know a lot of

686
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,119
increase down there. They're dried up
and some of them have water, some

687
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,679
of them dump. But you can
see this level bread just get chunked and

688
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,559
land into the to the creek bed. And then uh, if you just

689
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:17,119
follow these videos all them from Paris
takes down there, you'll see you can

690
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:21,519
see all of these and then they're
you know, they're free to view to

691
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:23,039
the public. And you know,
of course everybody, of course Lottom are

692
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:28,760
got low ye low light editions.
You'll see a hunter go across and then

693
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,199
you know, not but a few
minutes after there, you'll see this smaller

694
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,360
black would just come running across your
screen and it goes out of screen and

695
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,159
comes back to the creek and it
comes up and you'll see one of these

696
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,719
pine trees that I was talking about
the boat over and you'll see this thing

697
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,880
come up and run over the top
of it and back down back and behind

698
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,760
the camera and he comes a younger
one for the snicker really paying a kitchen

699
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,360
and it being videos. You know, so you get on this website,

700
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,599
you can definitely see if you get
into the m K Davis. You can

701
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,599
find a few of those, okay, is he so we're real clearer because

702
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:05,440
people won't want to know is this
his Facebook page or does he have a

703
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,239
YouTube channel? It's a YouTube channel. You go under, look under m

704
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,000
K Davis and look at MKA Davis. Anything to do because be put in

705
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:21,480
past texts and those videos should pop
up. Why he's run shoving match,

706
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:24,960
they'll all be rut there kind of
a sequence, you know. It's the

707
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:30,239
one that he got permissions one of
the landowners. He got these all all

708
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,360
these you're gonna remember, all these
are good on vhs back of this time

709
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,800
frame. And then he converted you
burn them on and he made them a

710
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,599
deal. So I'll put these on
a disc or so he put them on

711
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:44,039
a disc and uh and hanced them. The best is good and he did

712
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,239
a pretty good job. I'll make
sure and find that channel and I'll link

713
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,559
it in the description below so everybody
won't. I get so many comments about

714
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,920
no pictures, no proof. I
ain't listening anymore. And so we found

715
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,360
a place where there's going to be
some good pictures and videos. So I'll

716
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,880
if I can find it, I'll
put it in the description below. Rodney.

717
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:14,760
So where are y'all at now?
Are y'all still actively hunting big foots

718
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,360
or I don't. I'm not saying
hunting to kill them, just hunt them

719
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,440
down, trying to find them,
get get visuals and more evidence. So

720
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,800
y'all still actively out there doing that? Yes, sir, that is something

721
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,000
we do year round. Like I
say, there's more more time, there's

722
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:34,159
times that they're more predictable. You
know, there's certain don't we know for

723
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,599
sure that they're going to be in
these certain areas moving through whether it be

724
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:44,360
done then the Paris Parish area up
in Oklahoma area, you know, and

725
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,559
of course you look like there's been
sightings up in Oklahoma's where we're in idabel

726
00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:54,519
op By where time meets east and
is the thing we've been challenged with in

727
00:47:54,599 --> 00:48:00,159
the very recent Like I said,
we planned a couple of yearly expeditions,

728
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,519
you know, where we is a
big team in itself. I mean,

729
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,400
we try to get everybody that's part
of us to go. You know,

730
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,280
we always have big plans and a
lot of times on lass of people show

731
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,480
up, but we always have a
great time, a great group of guys

732
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,159
and gals and for the most part, you've got, you know, the

733
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,719
youngsters and stuff like that. We
kind of keep them reel then, you

734
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,920
know, and then these times because
we've recently noticed that we've been challenged by

735
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,280
a different a different species of these
things than what we're know your southern big

736
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,000
foot type to Patty talk big foot. Okay, this is where we start

737
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,599
getting into what you hear more and
more of every day of these were wolf

738
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,480
tup things. He's dogmen. We've
taken some pictures and come up with a

739
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:51,159
couple of the's domen. But this
other thing, we have no clue what

740
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:55,840
the hell it is. All we
know is that's extremely it's extremely violent and

741
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,079
aggressive, extremely and kind of feel
and fear is that these things have kind

742
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:08,280
of pushed our normal pat beefoot families
kind of pushed them either up further in

743
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,119
the kind of she's or elsewhere.
You know, I've got a friend and

744
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,920
I actually I've got him listening to
your channel. Now. He's very he's

745
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,519
a very avid disappeared to listener.
Now. He listened to you every night.

746
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,840
He actually writes his own he writes
books and in relations too. And

747
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,920
I know I know he plans on
get in touch with you. But I

748
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:35,199
know he had the first week experiensible
of these things. Was he almost got

749
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,960
taken down by a couple of these
things. They were had it not been

750
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,639
for the significant others sitting in the
vehicle, you know, fifty sixty yards

751
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,480
away that could see the line side
she had she could see these two things.

752
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,719
One was coming toward him and otherman
was flanking him, coming around,

753
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,280
but they were on force. He
knew he knew the one was there,

754
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,719
and he was backing out towards the
shoreline, saying, you know, if

755
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,239
I'm gonna make it down here,
I'm going in the water and missus February

756
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:06,719
two years ago. You know,
I think it back at him four years

757
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,000
ago, and he was scared for
his life. You know, there was

758
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:14,079
a couple of straight dogs down there, and straight dogs can let him know

759
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,559
that something wasn't right. And then
that's when he caught a grint of the

760
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,599
one on fours. It was on
fours and it was moving the high grass.

761
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,480
Of course there was you know,
there's a lot of a lot of

762
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,760
heavy brush and stuff through there,
but it wants to catch the top of

763
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
the head because it was moving.
Of course, the significant other was yelling

764
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,280
at him hey, there's another one
that's coming around your other side. And

765
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,159
had it got around, if he
wouldn't have got on the shoreline and started

766
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,519
being lining it back to the vehicle. But he might not have made it

767
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,480
out of there because they had every
intention and he even felt it instead it

768
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:52,480
itself they had every intention on killing
me, because I have no doubt I

769
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:57,639
felt it. I know they were
coming for me, he says. I

770
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,760
think it's because I got in.
She was already cranking the truck up all

771
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,920
the time he got to it,
and they were peeling out of there.

772
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,320
The dogs, he said, the
dogs, there's a cart there because there's

773
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,280
no boat ramp. The two dogs
went under the cover and went he said,

774
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,880
he washed them as they you know, they beat him to the truck,

775
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,920
and they got up in the cover
and went up for a pretty good

776
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,880
way so they can reach there and
get them. But he said, they

777
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,960
got in that truck and no hall
buns out of there. In that same

778
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:25,519
area, and my son and I
and one of his friends part of this

779
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:30,079
group. Now, we went down
to the same area as you know,

780
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:32,480
we've been going through for years and
years. And as soon as we got

781
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:37,039
there and I shut the deck lead
of the car. I heard a very

782
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,800
loud, loud, single tone call
come from the rod down the shoreline,

783
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,559
as I would call it, in
the thicket area for twenty yards off the

784
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:49,280
bank of this leg. We started
walking in, of course when I took

785
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,440
them in. So we're gonna walk
the shoreline. We're not gonna cut through

786
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,280
the woods. We're gonna walk to
the shoreline the whole way. So we

787
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:59,559
went in there about, said he, five hundred yards, and then started

788
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:04,159
hearing something big coming and moving through. It sounded like a big horse,

789
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,599
amound horseback coming through the thicket,
and it came, you know, just

790
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,800
the area covered such a short amount
of time or there wasn't any doubt or

791
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,679
what it was. And then you
could hear something else to the east of

792
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,119
it, running and coming from another
direction. I said, okay, guys,

793
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,639
my son he knew kind of what
was up, but he hadn't even

794
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,719
dealt with one of these. I
didn't want my first, my first experiension

795
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,800
wanted to be be that negative either. I said, y'all, stay my

796
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,480
hills, don't stop them turn around. So we walked out of there,

797
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,559
and orse she could hear these things
and they were coming, but we had

798
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:44,719
a pretty good jump on them,
and you know what, you and I

799
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,239
had to walk through or around.
They just mow or like you know,

800
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,480
three or fourint sapling. They don't
have to. They just go over it.

801
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,760
They don't have to. They sweep
their arms across the clear paths as

802
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,360
they're going through, and you can
see see the stuff moving up behind.

803
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,280
It's like there's nothing to streams out
of the way. So we got to

804
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,480
the car. We bolted. Man, we got out of there, and

805
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,320
what's I called my colleague, I
tell them us the man, they're still

806
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,719
there. I said, uh,
yeah, I was afraid of that.

807
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,039
You know. Ever since then,
these things, it seems like they pushed

808
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,440
her. You know what I call
our our friends and the ones we've been

809
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,800
dealing with for years and years,
I pushed them out or something. I

810
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480
don't know what's going on there.
I really, I really can't answer that,

811
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:30,320
but it buys bothersome to know that, you know, we don't.

812
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,440
We're not getting to deal with the
same thing. You know where our most

813
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,079
active places up there in Oklahoma,
and we got the same thing going on,

814
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:45,480
but much bigger, much bigger in
size, and much more and uh

815
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,719
in attitude. You know, do
you have any theory, do you have

816
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:53,840
any theories on what's what's happening?
Well, I think personally, you know,

817
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,800
some of the other guys can to
agree. I mean, whether it

818
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,840
be from you know, I think
we talked about whether it be from a

819
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:06,239
rogue or embreading or a shallow Jean
pool. You know, these things are

820
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,440
forced to mate and or sometimes they
mate gets their wheel and you know,

821
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,599
I think it's a bad traumazon here
there or something and you get a different

822
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,679
different species. But well, we've
noticed that these have a little bit more

823
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,480
of a of a smeut on which
which will you know, these teams talk

824
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,880
about werewolves. I've seen a werewolf
whels. I think this is exactly what

825
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,679
they're seeing. Monasty minasty is I
don't you know? And seeming years on

826
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:38,079
these particular ones, like a dog
man, you can clearly see a muzzle

827
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:43,239
their eyes in a couple of years. Uh, you know, al these

828
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,760
I have not seen. It looks
just like the set squad, a massive

829
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:51,159
head sitting on top of the set
of shoulders, master set of shoulders.

830
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,320
From what we get from the waist
down, it almost looks human. You

831
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,360
know, it don't have a it's
just like a person is. It's just

832
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,880
it's kind of crazy, but of
course it's very muscular and everything. Well,

833
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,119
I haven't really seen any years like
we had on some as photos of

834
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,039
like Scott Partenter, you know,
he's got some pretty good features. Scott

835
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,800
Garmers got some good steel pictures of
the dog men and stuff like that from

836
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,159
the go pro when I was back
tape, so you know, we can

837
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,920
go back and look at that stuff. But you know, this is this

838
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:28,519
is something we're having to learning curve
for us because we really don't know what

839
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,119
expected, you know, besides aggression. And right now that you know that's

840
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,480
all, it truly showed us his
aggression. We haven't seen any type of

841
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:44,320
i'd say friendly communication like from other
sad squastionably you know, the leading gifts

842
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,000
and stuff like that. Just a
whole different, whole different creature, you

843
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,320
know. And as I find out
more and more, I would definitely be

844
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,880
in touch with you, let you
keep you updated on what we find out.

845
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,840
You know what our resolve is,
you know what our plan is.

846
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,280
That would be great, that would
be fantastic. I'm so interested in this

847
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:12,280
that how I may start calling you
every couple of weeks and hey, what's

848
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,239
going on? But you just feel
free to do it. Well, I

849
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,320
don't want to bug you. I
hate bugging people, but um but I

850
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,400
might. I might send you a
text or something and see what's going on.

851
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,360
That's fascinating. We'll listen. We're
at we're at a minute seven or

852
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,840
an hour or seven minute. Some
people say they could listen for two hours,

853
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,519
but you know, YouTube creators,
we have to look at our analytics

854
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:37,639
and what happens is on when they
go over an hour, your retention time

855
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:43,920
drops way off. And what that
means is people start dropping off halfway through

856
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,440
the video. And but will you
come back when I know you have a

857
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:53,360
ton of more stories and events?
Oh? Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, We've

858
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:58,360
got some few other things to tell
us on, you know, just we'll

859
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,960
get into it at another time and
hopefully I'll have some better things to update

860
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:07,360
you with. I mean, you
may go. You know, of course,

861
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,760
scientifically is true without a shadow with
out there is one. And uh,

862
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,320
you know, we realize that you
have to produce a body to do

863
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,599
that. I'm not saying where else
we just want to go kill one or

864
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:23,119
anything like that, that's not what
we're about. But to the scientific community,

865
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,119
and you know, be honest with
you, I don't know if you've

866
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,159
presented a body, if you know, it'd be hard to get us a

867
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:31,880
scrutiny of that too, because then
it goes that I can't believe you get

868
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,039
that. You know, I don't
believe you kill one. You know,

869
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:40,159
according to some people, there's been
several of them killed, and which would

870
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:46,480
make you wonder if people in the
scientific community have not seen these things and

871
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:52,239
examined them. And there's some I'm
not a conspiracy theorist, but usually there's

872
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:57,119
a reason, you know, these
things are kept quiet. I'm not saying

873
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,239
I agree or disagree with it,
but there's a lot of people out they're

874
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:02,599
saying they're killing them because they're nuisance. They're a nuisance, or they're a

875
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:08,079
threat to their family and our livelihood. And I know, any any man

876
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:13,480
with a firearm, if some kind
of animals, you know, rampageing at

877
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,440
you, or you're gonna shoot it. And yeah, even if you don't

878
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,760
think you're gonna make it out,
no, you're gonna start shooting it.

879
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
You're gonna put the herd on it. Anyway. But uh well, listen,

880
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Rodney, thank you so much,
and you I really really would love

881
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,559
to talk to you again and and
and I'm sorry it took so long to

882
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:36,559
get together on this, but this
was fascinating. You're you've got that well.

883
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,079
I don't know how to say it. It's like if I met you

884
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:44,400
at the at the restaurant in the
morning at breakfast and we started talking,

885
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,119
we probably sit there for three hours
just shooting the bull and oh yeah,

886
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:52,239
they get the gable gears you go. So thank you very much. As

887
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,920
there are any parting words or anything
you'd like to say before we sign off,

888
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Well, man, I've just done. You know. I really appreciate

889
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:04,039
and respect what you do. You
know, I think you do a lot

890
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:07,320
more for the biggest community and what
you give yourself credit for. I think

891
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:12,360
by you standing up and doing what
you do, you know, you surpass

892
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,199
a lot of people. Even though
you haven't had your own personal experience.

893
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,079
I believe you may. I believe
you maybe a lot closer than what you

894
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:22,199
think in your good time. And
I think one will reveal it steals or

895
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,559
something. But uh, and I
appreciate you, and I know what I

896
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:28,159
said. I told you this before, you know something I was listening to

897
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,199
you every morning on the way in, and uh, we really we just

898
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:36,280
really really respect what you do.
And so for everybody I've told you to

899
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:40,880
told them about you and they really
enjoy as well. So you just keep

900
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,960
on doing what you do. That's
nice for you to say that, thank

901
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,760
you. I never dreamed anybody I
wouldn't want to listen to me. But

902
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,320
it's just, you know, and
I just started this thing just as kind

903
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,760
of a fun thing, and it's
gotten It hasn't gotten more serious for me.

904
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:00,840
It's just it's taking me down a
rabbit hole of carry piosity. That's

905
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:05,519
that's crazy. And I've had some
things go on. But what I try

906
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,400
to do is I've had a couple
of a couple of things that I've never

907
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,440
talked about, and because I don't
want to make this channel about me,

908
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,239
I want to make it about the
topic and the story. And that's because

909
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:20,400
that's what's important to me. The
minute person hosting a channel makes it about

910
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,440
them, it just to me,
it just gets boring. But that's just

911
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:25,840
me, So I try to avoid
that. Maybe some doubt there and they're

912
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,400
just anecdotal kind of things. They're
no in your face type of things.

913
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,280
But I appreciate you saying all that, and I'm glad you're thank you for

914
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,239
recommending the channel to your friends who
are interested in the channel. It means

915
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:42,679
a lot to me that people who
are in the in the world of Bigfoot

916
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,519
approof of what I'm doing. And
I take a lot of crap from some

917
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:49,480
people, but for the most part, people are really nice about it,

918
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,039
and they understand my position. They
know where I'm at and I'm not,

919
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:54,519
you know, I'm just I don't
claim to know anything. I don't know

920
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:59,039
anything. I don't know nothing.
Man. All right, man, let's

921
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,199
mind us up. I'll have this
video up probably in uh I don't know,

922
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,840
maybe a couple of days, and
I'll send you a text when it's

923
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,679
up. But Rodney, thank you
very much for spending time with us.

924
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,840
We all appreciate it. Not a
problem, sir, I enjoyed it,

925
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:15,679
all right. Talk to you same
brother, Yes, sir by By bye.