WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.360 This is a commercial, free archive edition of our live radio show that airs 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.720 every Friday at noon, Arizona time on openminds dot TV. Welcome to open 3 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:17.600 Minds Radio with your host Alejandro Rojas, former official spokesperson for the Mutual UFO 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.839 Network. Alejandro who's been a UFO paranormal researcher and journalists for nearly a decade 5 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:27.480 and has logged hours in the field investigating the paranormal up close and personal, 6 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.119 and now Open Minds Radio presents evidence in the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. 7 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:39.799 Here's your host, Alejandro Rojas. Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio, 8 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:44.679 where we are bringing the UFOs subject into the light of day. This 9 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:51.719 is Alejandro Rojas and we have another spectacular show today. I'm very excited about 10 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:56.960 our guest, doctor Paul Davies. You may recognize the name. He has 11 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:02.359 been all over the media. Probably every major media news source has done a 12 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.840 story on him, and he is the guy. Most of these stories are 13 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:12.599 saying, who will talk to ets? Although he's a skeptic about extraterrestrial visitation, 14 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:18.719 but we'll talk about that. He's got an impressive resume here. Paul 15 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:25.760 Davies is a theoretical physicist, a cosmologist, an astrobiologist, and a best 16 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:30.840 selling author. He's a director of the Beyond Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science 17 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:38.560 and co director of the Cosmology Initiative at Arizona State University. He's been getting 18 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:46.120 so much pressed because he recently spoke at the Pontifical Academy for Science Study Week 19 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:53.040 on astrobiology at the Vatican, and the Royal Society's recent conference on astrobiology. 20 00:01:53.439 --> 00:02:00.599 That's the Royal Society in London, and the name of their conference was the 21 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:08.159 Detection of Extraterrestrial Life and the Consequences for Science and Society. So he's been 22 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:15.719 doing a lot of work on philosophizing around the implications of extraterrestrial life, including 23 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:24.360 intelligent life and other forms of extraterrestrial life that might be here right now on 24 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:30.319 the planet, maybe even in your nose, and we'll talk about what the 25 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:34.080 heck he's talking about. There. There may be other little green monsters in 26 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.120 your nose other than the ones we're more familiar with, so we'll be talking 27 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.840 about that. Excited to talk to doctor Davies because he's also one of our 28 00:02:42.879 --> 00:02:49.479 main stories that came out was a conversation before between Lawrence Rockefeller and Hillary Clinton, 29 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.039 and it was one of his books that Hillary Clinton is holding in one 30 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:58.400 of the pictures. So we'll talk about that more often. But in other 31 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.120 news, of course, magazine, our Open Minds magazine is in the stores, 32 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.080 so go and get yours. We've been hearing positive feedback all over the 33 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:12.479 place, and if you know anything about the field of upology, people criticize 34 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:15.319 the heck out of each other, and it's surprising that I have not heard 35 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:21.639 one negative word about our magazine. So I'm very excited about that. You 36 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:23.639 can go and get that at Barnes and Nobles or Borders, go to your 37 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:28.280 local bookstore and pick that up. If it's not there, then you walk 38 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.719 to the counter and demand that they get it or they find the issues or 39 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:37.120 order more. And you can also, of course go find it at Openminds 40 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:42.400 dot tv. Another event that's coming up is April thirtieth. This is more 41 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.199 of a local type of thing if you're in the Phoenix metro area, but 42 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.439 of course if you're not, feel free to fly in. We'd love to 43 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:53.520 see you. This is at Vision Quest Metaphysical Bookstore in April thirtieth at seven 44 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.400 pm. The Open Mind's editorial staff will be at the bookstore to answer questions 45 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.960 and to talk about some of the stories in the magazines. They are at 46 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:06.599 two two two five North Scottsdale Road, and again you can read more about 47 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:12.719 that on our magazine. And I'm really getting excited about Roswell this summer. 48 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.279 They always have a big festival the July fourth weekend to celebrate the crash, 49 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:20.759 and the city has asked me to speak and Open Minds will be being a 50 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.959 big part of that. So we're very excited about going out to Roswell, 51 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:30.959 New Mexico, where it all started. But of course there's a lot more 52 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:35.519 UFO news going on out there, and we have our news correspondent Jason McClellan 53 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.519 here to tell us all about it. Hello Jason, Good afternoon, Alejandro, 54 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.560 Hello Phoenix, and hello world. This is your Open Minds News brief 55 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:47.240 for Friday, April sixteenth, twenty ten. A New York anthropology professor says 56 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:50.680 that UFO should be brought into the open as a worthwhile area of study. 57 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.000 Professor of Philip Hasley feels that the whole subject should be brought out into the 58 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.639 open and investigated Hassiley is a number of MoveOn the mutual UFO now work and 59 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:03.879 as head of the Western New York move On division, nearly fifty UFO sidings 60 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:10.560 are reported monthly across New York. Hassiley another MoveOn members scientifically investigate these sidings 61 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:15.279 using radar, astronomy, and meteorology. Professor Hassley was quoted as saying, 62 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.839 to say we are UFO believers basically implies we are taking this on faith, 63 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.480 and that's not the case. There is plenty of evidence. And it was 64 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:27.399 interesting when I was looking into this story because I found out just last month 65 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:31.399 Professor Hassiley invited one of our friends, Peter Robbins, to be a special 66 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:35.720 guest speaker at that school. And I've noticed a lot more universities and colleges 67 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:41.879 across the country are having special seminar speakers coming in and discussing this topic. 68 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.240 So it's great to see it coming into the academic world and being taken seriously. 69 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.199 Our next guest Robert Hastings, and I'll talk more about him at the 70 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.600 end of the show. He was recently speaking out at Universe. He speaks 71 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:56.480 out a lot of them, but out in Denver, where my cousin goes 72 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.000 to so, like you said, there's a lot of that going on, 73 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.240 and there are a lot He is one of many scientists that are not skeptical 74 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.600 about extratrustural visitation. It's coming more in the open. It's exciting to see. 75 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.040 I think. Jim in other news, Travel and Leisure Magazine published a 76 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:15.319 web exclusive article on their site this week entitled best Places to Spot UFOs. 77 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.319 The web article does a wonderful job giving a short story of UFO activity in 78 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:24.720 eleven different areas around the world, and for each location are recently reported sited 79 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:28.000 is listing along with the video clip. We have a link on our website, 80 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.480 so I recommend going to open mind dot tv to check it out. 81 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:35.759 But Alejandro, you recently put an article up about places with the UFO sidings, 82 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:41.439 listing statistical data of the number of sightings and where those are. Yeah, 83 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:45.680 what I did was I took all of the moufon reports that have gone 84 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.720 online for the last five years since they've been online and grab some stats from 85 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:55.399 that. So this is mostly it's been kind of anecdotal. You know, 86 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.480 I've been called other UFO researchers are called by the media. Where are the 87 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:02.839 hotspots, and we've got to kind of use what we know, what we've 88 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:08.839 heard of where big things are going on. Same with historian MSNBC. But 89 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.600 this is the first time as far as I know, at least recently, 90 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.680 where someone's took in a large database and put that together and so we can 91 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:20.879 see where the hotspots are. Funny enough, where I was before, Colorado 92 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:26.920 is a hotspot, Nevada, Oregon, where we are right now, Arizona, 93 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:31.040 Indiana, and Michigan are really some of the top hot spots states. 94 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:35.279 So very interesting information. If you want to see a UFO, check out 95 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:39.040 the website to look at that article and plan your vacation. Yep, come 96 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:43.079 to Arizona and meetas and the story that was all over global media this week, 97 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.959 A gigantic fireball let up the sky above several Midwestern states on Wednesday night. 98 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.720 The fireball was visible for fifteen minutes, according to the National Weather Service. 99 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:54.120 While streaking through the sky, the object broken to smaller pieces and vanished, 100 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.399 followed by a prolonged sonic boom that caused homes and trees to shake. 101 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.519 The fireball was seen across parts of Ohio, Zuri, Illinois, Indiana, 102 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.360 and Wisconsin. There's been no official words what caused the fireball, but some 103 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.680 speculated it could have been a meteorite from the Gamma Virginia's Media Shower that occurs 104 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.120 from April four through April twenty. First, Yeah, when I walked into 105 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.480 the radio station, everybody here is really excited about this one because the videos, 106 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.759 of course are amazing. The videos are great, and really, you 107 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.959 know, as far as I know, and we'll talk to maybe Paul Davies 108 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.319 and see what he knows. Scientists aren't completely sure what causes these things to 109 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.320 make this huge flash of light just in the sky. I mean it turned 110 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.000 night into day. If you've seen some of these videos, and they're all 111 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.759 over CNN everywhere all hunter. We have so many news stories, but I 112 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.080 am out of time for the news, so everybody should go to open minds 113 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.799 dot tv and check out the rest of the news stories. There's a lot 114 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:52.159 of news this week, including President Obama outlining his plan for NASA and additional 115 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:54.480 funding for that. So great stories. Check them out. That's it for 116 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.440 the news. There are these stories are more at open minds dot tv. 117 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:03.720 Your source for UFO related news, that's openminds dot tv. I'm your Open 118 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.240 Minds News correspondent Jason McClellan, and you've been briefed, beck you Aleandro, 119 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.080 all right, thank you, sir, and I'm excited to ask mister doctor 120 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:18.639 Davies about some of these recent news happenings because he does, in his long 121 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.440 list of what he does, he's also a physicist, so he should be 122 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.840 able to lend some insight into this, and interesting enough, things like this 123 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:33.000 meteorites and things are an integral part of his whole concept about extraterrestrial life here 124 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:39.600 on planet Earth. So we'll talk to him more about that coming up after 125 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:52.799 our break. We've got doctor Paul Davies very excited about that. You're listening 126 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:58.559 to Open Minds Radio with Alejandra Rojas on KFNX News Talk Radio eleven hundred. 127 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.279 All right, welcome back to Open Minds Radio. I'm your host, Alejandro 128 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.840 Rojas, and hopefully soon we'll have doctor Davies on the line. We're having 129 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:15.840 a few slight issues, I guess some state wide phone issues. This meteorite 130 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:24.399 has created havoc across the country and they've screwed up our technical issues here. 131 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.000 But you know what, let's talk more about some of what Paul Davies has 132 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:33.360 been up to and this is interesting and Jason, you were there in Mexico 133 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.720 with me. I talked to Nick Pope, and Nick Pope used to actually 134 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:43.000 work for the Ministry of Defense in Britain investigating UFOs, and of course you 135 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:50.120 probably noticed we talk about UKUFO sidings a lot, and he's always consulted and 136 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:52.919 a lot of the stories that you see on the front page of our website, 137 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:56.879 they've consulted Nick Pope on what's going on, because of course he worked 138 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:00.240 for the government. But I was able to talk to him about the Royal 139 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:05.679 Society and their astrobiology conference, and interesting enough, he said that he was 140 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:11.480 there and he met a lot with the scientists that during the conference they were 141 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.720 very careful not to even bring up the UFO subject whatsoever, but that behind 142 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.360 the scenes he was able to have dinner and tea with some of these people. 143 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.440 They do a lot of tea breaks out there, and a lot of 144 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:31.879 these scientists were actually willing to speculate and admit that they think there is something 145 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.000 to the whole UFO subject. So they were willing to say that when they 146 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.000 were speaking with Nick Pope, but they didn't mention it probably only in lunch 147 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.679 behind closed doors when the public isn't listening, when they're talking amongst each other. 148 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.360 He said, there was even a lot of talk about UFOs and ets 149 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.519 and stuff like that. So pretty cool, pretty interesting, and which has 150 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.039 been my experience. You know, a lot of scientists, especially those who 151 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.080 are real scientists, know that they're there's data there, and there's information and 152 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.200 that something's going on. Well, as you've mentioned before, I mean, 153 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.559 even though it is becoming more widely accepted, but historically it's sort of been 154 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.080 the topic has been frowned upon and not taken seriously by the scientific community on 155 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:20.919 a larger scale. But many of these scientists do take it seriously, they 156 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.399 just hesitate to mention it in public settings. Well, and that allows us 157 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.000 to bring up yet another article because I did write recently and we need to 158 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:37.919 write something bigger I think for the magazine that scientists are interested in UFOs, 159 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:43.159 and that there are not only scientists interested, a lot of these organizations, 160 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.600 like we talk about mof on a lot, the Mutual UFO Network, it 161 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.960 was founded by scientists, and scientists are still a large part of the organization. 162 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:56.919 The story about the trends that we talked about as scientist who's into UFOs 163 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.519 and has been doing studies this whole life dot com. Bruce mcabee responded to 164 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.919 that, and he's been doing research in this build for decades and he talked 165 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:13.320 about how he found some similarities that at first it seems that UFO sightings correspond 166 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.360 with population, in other words, where there's more people, there's more sightings. 167 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.159 But when you dig deeper, you can see that there are some places 168 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:28.720 where there's an inordinate amount of reports compared to the population. Of course Colorado 169 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.519 and Arizona being two of those states. Now that's what I really liked about 170 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.879 the article you just put up with the graphs and the statistical data, because 171 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:41.639 you break it down on just purely number of reports and then number of reports 172 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.320 as they correspond to population. One of the things that people's interested in people 173 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:52.799 are interested in in trends and hot spots is what are the cities? And 174 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.799 I guess we can share that and talk about that the actual cities that are 175 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.799 the hot spots. And here again this is is based on populations, So 176 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:09.639 how many sightings per person? And Stephenville, Texas was the top. That's 177 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.159 because some of you may or may not be aware that in January of two 178 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.799 thousand and eight, there was a sighting in Texas and I was a big 179 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.120 part of this because I was the move on PR guy at the time. 180 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:26.080 And the reason I share that not to pat myself on the back, but 181 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.840 to mention that really I used to get calls all the time from rural newspapers 182 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.279 and there was a sighting in their area and they wanted to know about it. 183 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:37.240 They wanted to know Moufon knew about it. If we were going to 184 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.919 go investigate, how we get them in touch with the local researchers. No 185 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.080 big deal. Stephenville is the same one. Angela joiner from the local paper 186 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.279 calls up, No big deal, they've got a siding out there. I 187 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.519 get her in touch with the people. But one thing that was cool is 188 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.960 the AP calls then and says, hey, I read this story in Texas. 189 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:00.960 We wanted to do a story about it. Gave them some infot lo 190 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.720 and behold. Even though sightings in rural areas happen all the time, this 191 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:11.480 turned into this huge media frenzy, just humongous. It was almost like the 192 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.399 OJ trials with the media that ended up going to Dublin. It was kind 193 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:22.279 of funny because it was the story said UFO researchers from all over the world 194 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.559 descend on Dublin, but this was really maybe five or six people from the 195 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:31.399 Texas area, where there were at least fifty cameras. There were more cameras 196 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:37.360 there than there were witnesses, just tons. I was talking to Heraldo and 197 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:41.399 all of these people, Heraldo's people, not Heraldo himself unfortunately, but his 198 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:43.559 people. They're saying, what should we do? Should we send the camera 199 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.039 crew? You know? Can we send you a camera and have one of 200 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:50.600 your guys film for us. It was pretty funny, but it became this 201 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.399 huge frenzy and that was a positive thing for this eufology in general because everybody 202 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.919 was talking about UFOs, lots of reports happening in Stevenville, lots of people 203 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:06.080 coming forward, so that's why Stephenville was one of the top. But interesting 204 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:11.320 enough too is the way media treated Stephenville. They were actually really cool about 205 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.200 it. And one of the most amazing things that happened was one of the 206 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:21.600 morning news shows with Al Roker and who's the other guy? The girls thing 207 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:26.200 because I'll cute my mom's in love with this guy, Matt Lower. They 208 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:30.720 were talking along with Anne Rice and the others. They're talking about UFOs and 209 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.799 Ann Riich says, do you guys believe in UFO? And al Roker said 210 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.240 yeah, and she starts laughing and al Roker's like, why are you laughing? 211 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.919 And she says, because you believe. You said you believe in UFOs 212 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:42.679 and you don't and he said, yes, I do. And she's like, 213 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.519 really, do you think there's ET's coming here? And he said sure. 214 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:48.240 And Matt Lawer said, you know, that's what we would do. 215 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.960 We would fly around and check people out, you know, if we could 216 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.679 go to another planet. So why aren't they doing that here? So that 217 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:00.000 was amazing And then they went into the Stephenville story. So lots of stuff 218 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.599 like that. Were lots of media talking about UFO is in a positive way. 219 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.680 In fact, one of our stories we posted recently from Australia, there 220 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.160 was a news piece to this where the news anchors all very lovely people are 221 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:18.759 talking about this UFO siding that happened. And as soon as the UFO story 222 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.960 usually there's their banter. That's usually when they make fun and the anchor here, 223 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.519 you know, this pretty blonde lady says, well, that was definitely 224 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:30.799 a real UFO, and the other anchor says, yeah, you're probably right. 225 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.039 You know, that had to be real. And then she says to 226 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.960 another anchor, well you believe in this stuff, right, was that a 227 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.839 UFO? And he says, definitely, you heard it from me. That 228 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:45.079 was a real UFO. So they were all really positive about this. I 229 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.279 think it's starting to be where it's like, it's okay, you know, 230 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.359 when the cool kids starts saying they believe in UFOs, it's okay for the 231 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:57.279 other kids because really, as adults, nothing changes that much from high school 232 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:03.119 to now. We're all looking at what the cool kids say. So that's 233 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.039 my little diet tribe on Stevenville. But another interesting fact, and this really 234 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:14.039 blew me away, was that the number two city for a hotspot was Wilmington, 235 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:18.799 Delaware. It's the biggest city in Delaware, but still I've never heard 236 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:23.680 of UFOs and Wilmington. I've never even heard much about anything in Wilmington. 237 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.400 I happened either. Yeah, so I was really surprised. Maureen, you 238 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:32.799 know, our excellent marketing director who works on our website and everything, actually 239 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:37.079 googled UFOs and Wilmington, and she found a bunch of stuff there where they're 240 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.839 having people talk and everything, So there was something there, but that was 241 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.920 really interesting. Number three on the list was Las Vegas, and that's not 242 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.039 too surprising. People are pretty loaded out there of course all the time, 243 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:55.400 but it's also very close to Area fifty one, so and people have been 244 00:18:55.480 --> 00:19:00.240 able to see things flying over Area fifty one from Lasa ve And if you're 245 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:04.720 not aware, Area fifty one really is a top secret base. In fact, 246 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:08.839 we don't really know the name necessarily of the base. Area fifty one 247 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:12.400 is just one that we kind of gave it, but it's at a Groom 248 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:17.720 Lake we as upologist it's in the Groom Lake area, and a local researcher, 249 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:22.759 George Napolis, really who put Area fifty one on the map. He's 250 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:29.200 actually a news acre for the news out there in KLAS in Las Vegas, 251 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.599 and he talks about UFOs, does a lot of great UFO research, so 252 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.400 he really got that out there. And one of the things he talks about, 253 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:41.960 which is what we were talking about on the way over here, were 254 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:47.839 the white jets, the unmarked jets that fly the personnel who live in Las 255 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.599 Vegas to Area fifty one on a daily basis. Their commute is getting on 256 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.839 this jet and flying over to this secret base. So really interesting stuff. 257 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:00.920 So Las Vegas isn't too much of a surprise. The other two top five 258 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.880 before we have to take our next break here was Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which 259 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:10.279 is not too surprising. We had John Bencheron who was the state director in 260 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.279 Pennsylvania. They've had a flat with a lot of sightings going on over there. 261 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:18.519 And then number five was where I just came from ten months ago, 262 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.480 Denver, Colorado, which could be because Denver, or at least Colorado is 263 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:32.279 where MOFON is based, so Denver press covers MOFON quite often. Lots of 264 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:37.559 researchers out there, so that could be a factor. I'm and probably, 265 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:41.640 you know, with Stephenville and with the Phoenix Lights. I'm sure places that 266 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.279 have math sightings, you know, because they get more media attention, more 267 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.720 people have the sightings, they start actually looking up and watching these guys, 268 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:52.119 right, Yeah, I think you're right about that. It gets in the 269 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.119 press. People know to report in the first place, because who knows that 270 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:00.880 you can report UFOs to anybody. A lot of people don't know that so 271 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.559 and a lot of these places are in the Southwest where there are a lot 272 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.839 of these supposed secret bass and top where top secret military stuff is going on, 273 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:12.480 and by the white people can report their sightings to us at Openminds dot 274 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.759 tv exactly. I'm glad you put that in there, so we're gonna see 275 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.680 what's going on. Hopefully we could get Davies on the phone. Stay tuned, 276 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:40.720 we'll be right back with Open Minds Radio. This is Open Minds Radio 277 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:48.440 here again your host UFO paranormal researcher and journalist, Alejandro Rojas. Welcome back. 278 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:55.640 This is Alejandro Rojas and you are listening to Open Minds Radio. Unfortunately, 279 00:21:55.880 --> 00:21:56.960 phone lines are still down, so if you're trying to call in, 280 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:02.160 you're not gonna get it, include if you're a guest. So luckily we 281 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:06.720 talked to doctor Davies, a very wonderful and charming man, and he is 282 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.960 going to reschedule with us. But we have always got lots of news. 283 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.480 Just like Jason said, he could have gone on on all kinds of news, 284 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.559 but we run out of time. So we will be able to tell 285 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.960 you now about that news that we weren't able to get to before. And 286 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:32.559 another story we just put up yesterday on our website, which is one that 287 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:37.279 has been out there a lot, but not from the UFO angle, even 288 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:41.519 though it's a big UFO story, And essentially the story is what did UFO 289 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.000 hacker really find? So speaking of the UK yet again, this was a 290 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:52.079 hacker who started actually hacking back in the nineties and there's some funny stuff here 291 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.920 that I think people don't know. He started hacking back in the nineties. 292 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:03.240 He's actually a Scottish and he decided he wanted to look into UFOs and free 293 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:07.720 energy. He was really into doctor Greer and the Disclosure Project and if you're 294 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:12.000 aware of that, Stephen Greer got a ton of witnesses. These are credible 295 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:18.440 witnesses, military or people who are high level in the private sector working at 296 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:23.200 defense companies or maybe working as defense contractors, and they were in the know 297 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:30.079 for UFOs, even FAA ex military, so a lot of very credible people. 298 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:37.039 And his story was that not only is have the government been able to 299 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:45.400 discover extraterrestrial technology, but that they're suppressing the technology around free energy and that's 300 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.359 because of the economic problems that it may cause people not making money off of 301 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.039 oil, and if you go and you read some stories about oil, really 302 00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:59.640 it is kind of the negotiating tool that is used in foreign policy a lot 303 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:04.000 of times. So that's a story that he was able to discover from talking 304 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.359 to a lot of witnesses. Gary McKinnon got really excited about this and decided, 305 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.240 well, nobody's really looking where you need to look, and that's in 306 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:18.039 the secret systems on the Internet, which of course you're not supposed to do. 307 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.119 So he hacked in Funny enough, his hacking technique, he was able 308 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:27.480 to find a program that was able to tell him the computers which hadn't gotten 309 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.759 password yet. So you know, you go to work and your IT guy 310 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:34.960 is harassing you to desk to create a password, create a password, you 311 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.839 know, maybe even change your password every ninety days. Well, believe it 312 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:45.519 or not, there are people doing top secret work who are not creating passwords 313 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.960 on their computer. And so Gary McKinnon was able to get into these computers. 314 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.799 It reminds me of it wasn't Airplane, but it was a show like 315 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.880 it where the main character who's the guy with the white hair. On those 316 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:07.359 shows there was only one Leslie Nilson. Thank you check the entertainment guy Leslie 317 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:11.119 Nielsen goes up to a computer to hack into it and he puts login for 318 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.519 login and password for a password and is able to get in. So the 319 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:18.319 same kind of thing. He gets into these computers looking for UFO stuff. 320 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.759 And really the question that I had, and I think most people in the 321 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.279 UFOs area has, is well, what did he find? So I tried 322 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:32.759 to put all that together in one story. Supposedly he found two major things, 323 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:34.839 right, at least that he fell as major. He was able at 324 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:40.640 the Johnson Space Center to download a picture, or at least view a picture 325 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:45.200 on his computer of what he said was a UFO large UFO over the planet 326 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.440 that looked like a huge cigar. And this picture was something like two hundred 327 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:52.599 mags. It was real high quality, and it was so large in file 328 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:56.119 size that it was difficult for him to look at and before he got a 329 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.039 chance to save it, he was disconnected. Someone found out he was looking, 330 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.359 and he said this happened often where you know, once the person comes 331 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.319 back to their computer and sees him on the computer, they kick him off 332 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:12.279 of it. The other thing that is more interesting that he was able to 333 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:18.599 find, which he thought was his ace in the hole to actually get off 334 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:25.039 the hook with the government was he found a roster of ship changes, so 335 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:30.799 ship transfers, and this roster had a listing of non terrestrial officers. He 336 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.480 thought that that meant He doesn't believe that that meant little green guys that we've 337 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:42.519 recruited into our military, but people who were stationed off planet on perhaps secret 338 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.079 spaceships out there were maybe based on the Moon that is top secret that we 339 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.240 don't know about, which who knows? I mean, I guess that's entirely 340 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.440 possible. Well, he even found the names of the ships, right they 341 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.480 were transporting these people. Well, allegedly. I've looked all of his interviews. 342 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.319 I've looked at everything out there on him to try to find the names 343 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.119 of the ships. There are a couple interviewers who asked him what were the 344 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:14.440 names of the ships. His response in both cases was I was two stoned 345 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.599 when I was hacking, so I can't remember it because I was usually drinking 346 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:22.640 a beer and smoking a joint when I was hacking on these these computers, 347 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:29.079 So he can't remember. However, a couple of UFO researchers have said that 348 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.519 he has mentioned the name, although I haven't found a source for this at 349 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.680 all, he says, or they say that the names of the ships were 350 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:45.240 the USSS an Extra S on there LeMay and USSS Hillencotter. Assuming the Extra 351 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:52.559 S is United States Spaceships, perhaps those names would be interesting. LeMay. 352 00:27:53.279 --> 00:28:00.559 General Curtis LeMay was someone who supposedly was in the know. Senator from Arizona, 353 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.799 Barry Goldwater was into UFOs and he asked his friend General LeMay, what's 354 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.599 going on at right, Patterson, isn't there a blue room where you have 355 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.759 UFO stuff? And General LeMay and I think I have the quote here got 356 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:17.559 really upset and Todd told him, not only can't you get into it, 357 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.319 but don't ever mention it to me again, so kind of alluding to maybe 358 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.240 something was really going on. And Goldwater was so into this and getting UFO 359 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.720 information out that he told the world about it. And as if people, 360 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.559 I'm sure listeners know. Barry Goldwater was a famous senator, very conservative. 361 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.839 The other ship, named Hillan Cootter presumably is after Admiral Roscoe Hillingcotter, who 362 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:48.000 was actually the first director of the CIA, and he was very into UFO 363 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.000 disclosure. As well. For a period of time he joined a very popular 364 00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.039 UFO group called NCAP, the National I forget the name care I'll look at 365 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.359 it if I got it right here, but the National Investigation Committee on Aerial 366 00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:07.000 Phenomena. And this was a group of mostly military men. Major Donald Kehoe 367 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.400 is the guy who ran it. But it was mostly millipictory people who started 368 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.720 this group, and they were into UFO disclosure. In fact, the New 369 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:22.359 York Times reported that Hillencotter had sent a letter to the Congress the Congress that 370 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.599 had said, behind the scenes, high ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned 371 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:33.000 about UFOs, but through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to 372 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:37.920 believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense. However, after a period of time, 373 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:44.599 he stopped talking, he stopped associating himself with Nightcap, stopped talking about 374 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:51.279 UFOs. And there are secret documents that have been leaked. Nobody knows if 375 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.799 these are real documents or not. There's rumors that this group called Majestic twelve 376 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.640 is out there to manage the UFO situation for the government, and he is 377 00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:06.839 listed as one of those members of MJ twelve, the Majestic Group so some 378 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:11.440 people think that maybe in order to shut him up, the president said, 379 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.799 hey, if you're so interested in UFOs, why don't you help us manage 380 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.839 the situation, and had him join this group. There is some evidence that 381 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.400 this group existed. A few official documents that have been retrieved through Freedom of 382 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:27.359 Information Act requests that this group may have existed. But those were the things 383 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:30.640 that Gary McKinnon had said. And we've only got a few seconds before our 384 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:36.920 next break. But just to this was the funny part. This information that 385 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.440 McKinnon had, he thought he was going to be able to get off the 386 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.319 government when they busted him said hey, we're going to push you in jail 387 00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.720 for three or four years if you just say you know that you did it. 388 00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:51.720 And he said no, because I've got information what you guys really are 389 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.039 hiding, and if you don't let me off the hook, I'm going to 390 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.319 tell the world. Well, they weren't too afraid of it, so they 391 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.039 said, fine, tell the world and we'll just take you to court and 392 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.960 send you to jail for seventy years. So unfortunately at backfired. He's revealed 393 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.160 to the world his secrets, which was this non terrestrial roster. So the 394 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.640 government wasn't too worried about what he had to tell the world, and now 395 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.039 he's told the world. Coming up after our break, we'll talk more about 396 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:23.039 this. We'll talk more about NASA and Obama, and we've got some other 397 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.880 great stories. So stay tuned. We're going to go to break right now, 398 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:41.000 and then we'll be back with Open Minds Radio. Welcome back to Open 399 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.039 Minds Radio. Here now former officials, folksperson for the mutual UFO Network, 400 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:52.960 your host of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas. Hello, people, this 401 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:57.400 is Alejandro and you're listening to Open Minds Radio. The phone lines are not 402 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.279 working. It's affecting our internet too, if you're trying to look at the 403 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:07.240 stream. But luckily they can't stop the airwaves, so we are still broadcasting 404 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.759 and you're still got some great people, great guests here to talk to. 405 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.319 We've got Jason, our news correspondent, to talk to as well, and 406 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:23.079 he had mentioned earlier that Obama has some new policies around NASA, and so 407 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.799 I was gonna ask Jason if he can elaborate on that. I certainly can't. 408 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.039 You know, this isn't completely new news. Ahi. A while ago, 409 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:36.400 Obama announced that he was going to cancel the what was it, the 410 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.119 constellation program. I think that was that was the return to the Moon, 411 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:47.079 the lunar program. But yesterday President Obama detailed a new NASA strategy for deep 412 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:54.400 space exploration, and he's he plants the pump six billion dollars into NASA, 413 00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.079 increasing their funding six billion dollars over the next five years, and wants to 414 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:07.519 shift the focus away from lunar missions to far space missions, looking at going 415 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.079 to Mars, actually doing Mars missions. And the cool thing is that the 416 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.920 private sector and commercial space industries are now being This is all opened up to 417 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.720 private people, private companies to develop propulsion systems and things that will help take 418 00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:30.079 us farther into space. And yesterday the President said, referring to the Moon, 419 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.319 we've been there before. There's a lot more space to explore and a 420 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.880 lot more to learn when we do. And while I think deep space exploration 421 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.880 is cool and I like the idea, I sort of disagree because I think 422 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.200 there's a lot more still to be learned from the Moon. We haven't really 423 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.079 explored it all that much. Yeah, and you know a lot of those 424 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.279 scientists talk about how really in order to get to Mars. The best thing 425 00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:00.519 would be, like you see on a lot of sci fi, is to 426 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.759 build a base on the Moon. It has lower gravity and it's better to 427 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.920 launch from there, right. Yeah, I mean it's good to look at 428 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:16.199 moving on, but we really haven't finished what's closer to us already and last 429 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.599 these days there there is as a quicker trip to go from here to Mars. 430 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.599 Who knows, who knows, But it'll be cool to see what the 431 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:25.840 private sector can come up with. Yeah, that's what I'm excited about. 432 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.599 And even the just the the near space stuff that Virgin Galactic has been working 433 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:38.639 on with the space travel for tourists, space tourism, and actually this is 434 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.440 a side note, but I just noticed that, or just learned about. 435 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:51.400 Virgin also has underwater shifts that they've recently built. They have underwater planes. 436 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.000 Weird. Interesting, that's cool. So that guy's all over the place with 437 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.559 his exploration. I think it's pretty cool. I'd like to go on an 438 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.039 underwater voyage in a plane. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm excited about, 439 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:06.159 is that if more money is pumped into the private sector, that those 440 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:15.199 will help bring along the public you know, facing or accessible programs such as 441 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.679 going into space as soon as next year for two hundred thousand dollars, you'll 442 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.679 be able to go into space, and those prices I'm sure will drop over 443 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.159 time. You know, how long is it going to be, especially if 444 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.679 there's funding pumped into it, till you could take a trip to the Moon 445 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.480 and spend you know, a week in a big, a low resort on 446 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.760 the Moon. You know, it sounds crazy, but it's not that far 447 00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:44.840 off. I think it's coming right around the corner. But probably except it 448 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.920 be on the moon. A bed and breakfast on the moon, yeah, 449 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:55.199 breakfast twenty four hours. But you know, with the with the space flights 450 00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:01.119 being passed off basically to private sector, NASA's space more of their efforts doing 451 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.760 missions here. And you know I mentioned underwater. That's another thing that you 452 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.119 know, while we're looking at far space exploration, there's still so much right 453 00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:14.960 here on Earth that we don't know about. They're always discovering things in the 454 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.079 ocean. There's so much of the ocean that we haven't been to yet. 455 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.119 Well, I think we've only explored I think they've said ten percent of the 456 00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.400 ocean. So every time they go down into the deep trenches, they find 457 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:30.920 dozens of new animals and beings and weirdness. There's shapes and configurations of those 458 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:37.360 things are incredible. So my mind swirls with deep space. But again, 459 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:38.880 you know, with the ocean right here, I think it'd be cool to 460 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:44.119 explore more here. That reminds me of another news story that is related to 461 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.599 what we're talking about, and that is going to the planet Europa or the 462 00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.800 moon Europa. The moon Europa and believe it's Jupiter's moon, I think. 463 00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:59.760 So it's covered in ice, so they believe it's an ocean type of planet. 464 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.039 There's oceans under there, and so they have recently developed a robot that 465 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:09.679 they've drilled a hole and put this robot under the ice in the Antarctic so 466 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:15.159 it can explore and it goes down and checks the temperature and everything. And 467 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.239 sure enough, they put it in these places where they didn't think there would 468 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.639 be life. And every time we go check out some area where you don't 469 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:27.599 think there's life, but sure enough, just like in the trenches in the 470 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.599 middle of the mid Atlantic ridges where they didn't think there could be life, 471 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.960 there are crabs and shrimp and things like that there. But this is kind 472 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.000 of the beginning of being able to send something to your rope by the check 473 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:44.119 under the ice there. And it seems like, I mean more and more, 474 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:49.079 the chances of life being out there are something some weird type of creature 475 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.440 swimming in the water could be pretty high. Right where there's water, that's 476 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.840 where you're going to find life. That's what they say. Pretty dang exciting. 477 00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.079 And now different scientists are saying that perhaps they don't need to be water 478 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:07.519 based, that life could be attached to other types of things like our snake. 479 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:13.119 Even things that are poisonous to us could actually be something that life thrives 480 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.960 off of in other places or in our noses or in our noses. And 481 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.639 we didn't get to that, and I guess I'll just have to at least 482 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.840 give you a little bit of information, but essentially just talking about how microbial 483 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.000 life that meteor, that fireball that came, let's say it's a meteor. 484 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.480 It could have been a chuck from another planet. It could have bacteria from 485 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.119 another planet that is now here, and that then flourishes and goes around and 486 00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:45.159 perhaps even causes colds or different issues such as that. And that's why Davies 487 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:52.840 was talking about the extraterrestrials in our noses, the little green men in our 488 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.760 nose. I believe that, especially after how I feel sometimes coming back from 489 00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:04.639 Mexico. Yeah, oh good lord, some sort of foreign bacteria certainly did 490 00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:09.000 a number on me coming back from Mexico. Other great stories that we can 491 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.719 talk about, though, because there are a ton of really cool things going 492 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.639 on out there. Of course, like we talked about, there's tons of 493 00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.960 sightings out in the UK, and this was a really interesting one that we 494 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.039 didn't get to talk too much about, but we did touch upon, which 495 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:28.679 is the sheep I've been talking to Nick Pope we talked about again. I 496 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.320 mean, he's an authority, someone who worked for the government looking into UFOs, 497 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.840 and I asked him, what about all these UFOs in the UK and 498 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.199 the just tremendous increase in reports in two thousand and nine. He said that 499 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.119 one of the reasons the reports are probably increasing is the popularity of using these 500 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.000 Chinese lanterns, which are these little red lanterns you put a flame in and 501 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:55.000 they float around and lots of people are reporting orange orbs. However, to 502 00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.440 contradict the idea that maybe all these Chinese lanterns are orange orbs in the UK. 503 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:06.639 They've had a problem with sheep being mutilated, and so there was a 504 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:10.840 researcher who staked the area out and sure enough he saw orange orbs. Him 505 00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:17.800 and many other witnesses saw orange orbs that were beaming beams down on the sheep. 506 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.039 And then that morning they were finding their sheep mutilated, just like here, 507 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:29.440 strange things, tiny little holes, and the brain somehow removed out of 508 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:34.719 these tiny little holes organs carefully removed from the sheep. A lot of what 509 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.639 we find out hearing cattle mutilations. And we had Chuck Sukowski from Colorado talking 510 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:44.719 about that not too long ago, so really interesting. Don't you have anything 511 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.719 to say about that. I already talked about that, and I don't like 512 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.480 to bring it up because I have the visuals in my head. I've seen 513 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.840 the pictures of this stuff and it's really sad. I know, we were 514 00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:00.760 putting together this story together for the magazine and I sent over some pictures of 515 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.760 sheep, and you know, they're so cute, but especially these tiny little 516 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.280 baby sheep on the UK, you know, walking around and they're just adorable 517 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:15.480 ass heck, almost as cute as my little Chihuahua pretty close. They looked 518 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.119 a lot like your dogs. Though. What kind of dogs are this? 519 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.400 Maltese? Maltese? Yeah, the cutest little dogs, the little Maltese. 520 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.960 So and I guess you know, we don't have a lot of time left, 521 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:30.079 but the last thing we could plug is Eric Vondanak and someone we met 522 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.840 out in Mexico. Great guy. I've been a researcher for a long time 523 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:39.280 in ancient astronauts and possible evidence of extraterrestrial visitation in ancient artwork and stuff like 524 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:44.880 that. Yesterday or on the fourteenth, he just turned seventy five years old. 525 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.239 Holy cow, he looks great. Yep. Well that's it. We're 526 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.840 Open Minds Radio today. We will be coming back next week and we'll have 527 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.440 a guest. Maybe we'll get Doctor Davies for next week. If not, 528 00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:01.000 we're going to have Robert Hastings talking about UFO's sitting nuclear sites. Either way, 529 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.280 it's gonna be an awesome show. Visit Open Minds to that TV for 530 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:10.679 more information and we'll talk to you next week. People. All right, 531 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:19.679 let's talk bleaksas thing. 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