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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
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always creeping it real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to

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my paranormal Closet, where the story
is in magic take place. Today's guest

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has an old school approach to paranormal
investigating, having researched the paranormal for thirty

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years and has fourteen years of empirical
investigation experience. He's the founder and director

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of the Mount Washington Valley Spirit Scientific
Paranormal Investigation, Research and Interpretation Team That's

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a Mouthful, which is a legal
nonprofit business recognized by the State of New

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Hampshire as a science consultation service.
Join me in welcoming Eric Extreme to the

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show. Welcome Eric, Thank you
glad to be here. When you and

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I first connected, you explained yourself
very well. You defined a paranormal investigation

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as an activity where one would go
to a location with scientific analyzers and attempt

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to explain perceived activity with science.
When someone would go to a location to

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attempt to capture paranormal activity with very
little or no focus on science, it

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was called ghost hunting, and you
pointed at that. Around fifteen years ago

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in the USA, paranormal television shows
flooded the networks and for marketing height they

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used the term paranormal investigator, when
in actuality, all they were presenting to

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the public and viewers was a highly
edited and overacted ghost hunt. To quote

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you, you said the two terms
were used interchangeably, when historically in the

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US they were two completely different things. Today in the US, the vast

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majority of the paranormal investigator are simply
ghost hunters, using the paranormal television shows

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as a template on how to conduct
a paranormal investigation, when nothing that they

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do resembles what was historically recognized in
the USA as a paranormal investigation. End

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quote. I have to admit I've
never paid much credence to the shows and

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what they present to the viewers.
In fact, after my own recent experience

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with a director scouting from new teams, it was made perfectly clear to me

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that the shows are created for entertainment
purposes and if something doesn't happen to excite

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their viewer. It's made to happen. So I'm not at all impressed with

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people who instigate or antagonized spirit either, which they do on the shows,

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nor do I care for the people
who run screaming from spirit after they've requested

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communication and interaction. You tell me
you're on the far side of the science

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spectrum. Can you explain this to
me please? Oh? Absolutely so.

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Basically, I'm going into a location
exhausting everything I possibly can to explain what's

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being perceived as paranormal aativity with actual
science. If you've ever or any of

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your listeners have ever seen these paranormal
television shows, they're literally going in to

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find the spooky. They're not doing
any type of scientific investigation. So what

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I'm going to do when I go
in, even if I have to do

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a physical investigation, Often I'm able
to explain what's going on with just a

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simple consultation over the phone or through
the internet due to scientific knowledge. But

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I'm going in there looking for causes
of what would perceive to cause paranormal activities,

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such as infrasound, which is sound
frequencies below twenty hurts ultrasound, which

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our frequencies above twenty kilo hurts.
I'm looking at ionizing radiation. I'm looking

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at such things as various forms of
gases, various forms of air quality issues.

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If there's mold in the air,
you can start to hallucinate. I'm

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looking at microwaves, I'm looking at
Oh my god, what else am I

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looking at? Atmospheric conditions? I
mean, all these things can present physical

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and tactile symptoms that would lead someone
to believe that this paranormal activity. If

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I may, I'll tell a quick
story about a recent case I did with

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this all came into play. Okay, I've told the story on other shows

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before, but it's a good example. Recently, someone who lives in an

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adjacent town to me started experiencing such
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which is the feeling of being watched. They were experiencing acute anxiety, and

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they weren't anxious people. They were
having sleeplessness as well, and they started

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seeing what they believed to be were
apparitions out of the corner of their eye.

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So, wanting to remain anonymous,
they reached out to some couple of

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ghost hunting teams who lived out of
the area, and they consulted and basically

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tried to give a list of all
these reasons why it was paranormal activity.

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Now, this client was a little
more skeptical and decided to create a Facebook

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count under Nathan under an assumed name
to be able to remain anonymous, and

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went on a local Facebook page here
where I live up in Conway, New

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Hampshire, asking for a referral.
There is a ghost hunting team in town,

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but they would have done the same
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But I'm also involved heavily in the
community with some organizations that I'm involved with,

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so they know who I am,
and my name came up, so

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this person got referred to me and
I was probably on the phone of them

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five minutes before if you get out
what was going on basically what tuned me

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in as she had mentioned that there
was ear pain and head pain and your

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eyes actually resonate at eighteen hurts,
which is within the infrasound range, which

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can cause headaches and hallucinations, and
the ear pain can also be caused by

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infrasound, and causes of infersound naturally
are things such as tectonic plates moving while

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Kano's thunder human resonances which is another
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bouncing back and forth. That science
I won't get too deep into. But

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it's also caused by manmade things such
as generators, anything with a spitting motor,

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and it can cause infrasound. Some
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such as rhinoceroses and elephants. Actually, that sound can actually travel hundreds

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of miles even coming from an animal. So I began asking her, do

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you use a diesel generator? We
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New Hampshire and diesel generators are quite
common, And she says no, I'm

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on the grid. I don't have
a generator. I says, well,

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do you happen to have an old
dryer in the house? And she says

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no, I actually go to laundromat. I says, do you happen to

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have an old metallic fan? And
I'm gonna think of it. I do.

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She had poor air circulation in the
house the way this condo is designed,

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so she was using this big metal
fan in an adjacent room near some

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heating vents and then it was also
near an air conditioner, so the various

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times a year this fan would help
circulate the air. And I said to

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her, well, has it been
sounding a little off lately? And she

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goes, come to think of it, it did sound a little different,

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like it was screeching or grinding a
little bit, But she was just going

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to use it till it stopped working
and then replace it. And I says,

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well, let's do this, Let's
stop using the fan for now or

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replace it. But that whole situation
wouldn't explain completely the scopastasia, the feeling

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of being watched. So I said
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had been doing any remodeling in the
house and she said no. I said,

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well, is there any part of
your environment that has been changed?

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Have you remodeled the room? Have
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been moving furniture around? And she
says she had been cleaning out a walking

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closet and that there were boxes everywhere. I says, well, this feeling

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of being watched, is it happening
everywhere in particular rooms? You should stop

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for a second. She goes,
actually, that feeling of being watched is

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only happening in my bedroom, and
that's where all these stacks of boxes are

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that are making me feel like I
was being watched. I says, well,

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what I feel is happening is there's
something Scopastasia is often a symptom of

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acute claustrophobia, the fear of enclosed
places. I asked her if she ever

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had difficulty in like small closets or
elevators. She goes, well, I've

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felt uncomfortable elevators before, but not
enough to not use them. I says,

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well, when you're laying down to
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the windows has changed and you're seeing
these stacks of boxes, and it could

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be it can be perceived by your
mind as you know, you're getting closed

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in upon you, and you're I
believe you're getting claustrophobia due to this.

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So I suggested that she get these
boxes cleaned up and return the ambiance of

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her bedroom to where it was before
this happened. So a couple days later,

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she called me back and was thanking
me profusely because all these symptoms are

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gone, so these ghost hunting teams
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her that all this was paranormal nature. That was spirits, it was this,

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and that it turned out it was
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being caused by a q claustrophobia.
Interesting. Wow, well your list is

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pretty endless. I mean, you
threw out a lot of terms that I'm

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on contuniy with. I'd love for
you to go through some of them individually

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to give my listards a better understanding
of scientific causes that are often misinterpreted as

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paranormal activity. To name a few, you mentioned ionospheric propagation and then you

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said helm holds resonances, quantum entanglement. Can you just kind of like tell

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us what all of this means.
Okay, we'll start with ionospheric propagation that

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comes into play with radio signals.
Now, there's a layer of our atmosphere

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called the ionosphere, and this occurs
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surface, and there's radiation that comes
off the Sun that causes electrons and protons

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to separate up in the atmosphere,
and this creates a scenario or it actually

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acts as a mirror to radio signals
that are below thirty megahurts. What falls

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below thirty mega hurts or some amateur
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ban radio. It's a big fad
that was here in the seventies and nineties

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here in the United States. It
also am radio falls into that. So

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what happens is these radio signals can
bounce up off the atmosphere and come back

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down on hundreds of miles away,
thousands of miles away, or on the

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other side of the planet at the
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transmitted at. So an example would
be I had a case where this person

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contact in me because they swore up
and down they had recorded a man's voice

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on a voice recorder, and that
this person didn't have any male relatives living

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in the house, no friends,
that they kind of live in a secluded

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area. There was no men that
lived nearby. So they were convinced that

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they had something paranormal. And I
asked them if they had happened to take

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any time to amplify this sound to
try and make out what was being said

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because it was kind of faint,
and they says no, but it was

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definitely paranormal. I said, okay, why don't you send me the sound

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file? And they sent me the
sound file and I amplified it and I

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heard what I was pretty sure was
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So I'm an amateur radio operator myself. So I looked into the database

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and found out where this person lived. It was about twenty five hundred miles

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away from where this sound was recorded, and I reached out to this person,

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and it turns out at that time
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experimenting with bouncing radio signals off of
satellites. Amateur radio has satellites where you

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can bound signals off of. Well, some of this signal bounced off the

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atmosphere due to ionospheric propagation, came
back down twenty five hundred miles away,

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and this person with a voice recorder
picked up this voice and thought it was

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something paranormal, when it turned out
it was just a guy playing with the

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two way radio twenty five hundred miles
away. Wow, that's pretty amazing.

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There's something called you know, there's
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Some of them have small condenser mics, or there's something called mems.

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It's a micro electec mic. It's
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these small voice recorders tend to have
unless you have a really expensive voice recorder.

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These things are often susceptible to radio
frequency interfere and so there is something

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called a Faraday bag or a Faraday
cage. These things are rather inexpensive.

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You can get them for fifteen twenty
twenty five bucks, but they will block

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out ninety five percent of this radio
interference. It's not one hundred percent,

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but it will block out most of
it. So I always recommend to any

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paranol investigators or ghost hunters who are
using voice recorders to get one of these

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Faraday bags because it will help keep
down a lot of this ionospheric propagation.

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There's also another term similar called troposphere
ducting. It's where radio signals that are

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typically fifty mega hurts up to a
couple of hundred megaherts get trapped in between

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hot and cold air currents in the
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They only go a couple hundred miles, but your devices with speakers or

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any type of susceptibility to radio interference
can pick up these radio signals from hundreds

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or thousands of miles away. So
here you are thinking you're getting the voice

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of someone on your voice recorder or
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it's not paranormal, it's just something
quite far away. You mentioned quantum entanglement.

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That is something that gets into quantum
mechanics, where something is perceivably connected

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to something at a subatomic or quantum
level. They don't physically appear through science

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to have any correlation, but they're
acting like they do. In the layman's

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terms. An example would be how
often if you heard stories where a mother

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just knows something's wrong with their kid. They don't know why, but it

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turns out the kid had gotten hurt
on a ballfield or something. They just

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know something is wrong. That comes
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where you have a connection with something. It's not measurable, it's not explainable,

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but it is apparent by evidence that
there is some sort of connection.

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I recently had a case where one
of my buddies actually reported that he had

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lost his brother and he at the
time his brother was dying, he started

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dreaming about him. He didn't know
his brother was dying. It was a

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sudden medical incident. A month or
two later, him and the other siblings

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were talking and another one brought up
that they were having the same dream at

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the same time. So my buddy
mentioned, hey, I had this too,

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And it turns out multiple siblings had
the same dream around the same time

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when their other sibling was dying.
That's a that's an example of quantum entanglement.

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Now, if you can refresh my
memory. What was the other term,

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oh, hemhole trust residences, Okay. Hemholtz resonance are often the cause

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of what's perceived to be paranoal activity. To simplify it, you're similar to

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my age. You ever blow over
an old glass soda container and it makes

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that whistling noise. Hemholtz resonances are
basically where sound is passing over a cavity

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and something. It could be a
crack in a window, It could be

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over the top of a bottle.
It could be a little pinhole in offense.

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I'll give you an example. These
sounds can come across as almost sounding

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like voices, moaning, whispers,
whistling. It depends on the power of

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the wind passing over whatever size of
this hole is. So I had another

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case where someone believed that the place
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Well, they had reached out to
ghost hunting team, same thing happened.

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They came in where all their flashy
devices confirmed the place was haunted without

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any evidence, because you know,
it's fun. So they look for a

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second opinion, got a hold of
me and the sounds were played to me

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and I'm like, that sounds more
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know, a person or an entity. I said, get ahold of this

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ghost hunting team. Have them do
some footwork for me, And I basically

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said, look for a place outside
the house that's near a vent that may

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have a little hole in it,
because vents can actually play with sound.

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It can amplify them and change the
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the vent. So this team went
out and they followed my request and they

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found that in the fence pole outside
of this person's house, right next to

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an air intake vent, there was
a missing screw and they blew across it

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and sure enough there was noise.
There was this moaning noise. So this

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moaning noise was being amplified through the
duct work of the ventilation system of this

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house, and in the end,
came across sounding more like a person moaning

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and whispering versus what it originally sounded
like. So here originally they thought it

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was paranormal. It was a Hemholtz
residence. It was sounding with their reaction,

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what was their reaction after you debunked
it for them? Their response was

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that there was a spirit living in
the pole of the fence and they were

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speaking through this hole. They were
that. Yeah, no, they were

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Wow. The homeowner understood what I
said and took my my deductions to heart

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and didn't believe it. But these
ghost centers were you know, you know

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how some are just so dead set
on it has to be paranormal. Yeah,

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so they should be trying to debunk
things before you. That's just really

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important. Now the homeowner did she
like plug up the hole and did the

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noise stop? It stopped? Literally
Wow. Went to home depot, got

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some standard cocking, just you know, squeeze that in there. It stopped.

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So she brought that to the ghost
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well, now you've locked a spear
in there and they can't get out,

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and you need to let them out. I'm no way. What TV shows

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have you been watching. Oh my
god, Yeah, there's something along the

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same line I mentioned. It's called
a Shuman residence. I just didn't ask

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you about that. Yeah. Thunderstorms
create impersound, which your sound frequencies below

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twenty hurts the human I should have
said earlier, But the average human can

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hear between twenty hurts and twenty thousand
hurts. Below that, some humans can

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hear down to seventeen eighteen hurts,
but it's not common. But impersound typically

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can cause all these symptoms that we
perceive to be paranormal activity, anything from

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anxiety to scope of stasia, the
feeling of being watched. It can actually

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cause your organs to tremble. If
it's strong enough, it could cause things

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to appear to slide off of tables. Because there's little amounts of vibration going

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on, it's as if you had
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You know, it vibrates and shakes
things in the house. Imfrasound can

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do the same thing, even though
you can't hear it, it's there.

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So during thunderstorm, some of this
infrasound gets trapped within the storm and gets

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trapped between the air currents in the
ionosphere, which I explained earlier about the

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ionosphere, and it literally will bounce
back and forth and it will increase in

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intensity. Eventually it has to go
somewhere. Sometimes it passes through when harmless

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legals up into the atmosphere, but
a lot of it comes down back to

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Earth. Now, if you have
an infrasound analyzer like I do, you

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can actually listen and record this and
it literally comes across as nature's heartbeat because

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it's pulsing because of the sound bouncing
off of the atmosphere. And again this

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is infrasound. Now, how many
people you heard claim that paranormal activity increases

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during storms. Some people like to
believe that this is storms create an energy

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that entities can harness, and then
all these noises and physical apparitions occurred.

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My theory is, which is commonly
held by the scientific paranoal investigators in the

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field, is that these human resonances
which I explained are coming down and this

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infrasound is causing this increased perception of
paranormal activity, whether it be physically felt

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or perceivably being seen. Because INFRASONND
can cause all sorts of hallucinations, It

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can cause things to shake, falloff
shells, slide off the tables. So

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where a lot of people believe this
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paranormal side, for me, I
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Very interesting. But you did talk
to earlier about the medical conditions from that

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particular woman in the your pain in
the headache, any other interesting cases that

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you were on where it turned out
to be something medical on the people that

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lived in the home. Okay,
here's one. So I had this particular

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case where this woman had reached out
to ghost hunting teams because she was having

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what she believed to be someone trying
to contact her through visions. We've all

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heard of what are called hypnogogic and
hypnopompic hallucinations. This is when you're in

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the process of either waking up or
falling asleep and you become more coherent than

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your body's ready for. So you'll
get these reports of people feeling like they're

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being held down or being choked,
or they're hearing voices or seeing apparitions as

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they're waking up or falling asleep.
That's not paranormal, they're hypnopompic and hypnogogic

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hallucinations. It's basically trickery from our
own mind. Well, this woman had

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reached out to some ghost hunting teams
and they went in there with their flashy

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devices and try to claim that place
was haunted. And one of them was

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trying to speak to her, but
she wanted a second opinion and got referred

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to me. And I started speaking
to her, and I asked her to

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explain these visions she believed she was
having, and to me, they were

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too vivid. You know, sometimes
you can have vivid dreams if you're on

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certain medications for anxiety or depression,
because they tend to play with some of

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the chemicals in your brain. But
she wasn't on any of those medications.

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So it led me to believe there's
something called cryptomensia. It's basically a forgotten

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memory. So I suggested that she
reached out to a hypnotherapist, someone who

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could help her douce some memory of
regression underneath hypnosis. And basically what they

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found was, it turns out she
had in these visions, she kept having

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this vision of this young boy.
Well, through this hypnosis, it turns

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out that she learned that she wasn't
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she had a brother that was about
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through doing some research through the government, she learned that this brother was given

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up for adoption in the youth because
it was a single mother, that she

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had lost the father and they couldn't
She couldn't afford to take care of these

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kids, and that the older brother
had medical issues, so she put them

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up her adoption to a family that
could provide insurance that would help this young

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boy. Unfortunately, the boy didn't
survive, but in the end she learned

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that she had this brother. She
was able to reach out to the family

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get pictures and it turns out the
pictures where they're the same person she was

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having visions of. So where this
pyanomal group thought there this person, these

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ghosts hunters thought that this person was
having you know, contact from someone who

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died and that her place was haunted. It turns out it was cryptomancia.

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It was literally a forgotten memory that
had resurface after all these years. She

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never figured out what triggered it.
They had been a trigger at some point,

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but something triggered this memory and in
the end she was sad that this

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young gentleman she couldn't reunite with,
but she was happy to know that.

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You know, these visions were just
a forgotten memory that there they There wasn't

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anything wrong with her. So you
said that he was a year older than

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she was. When when and how
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So she had to be an infancy, then she had to be No,

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he was a year older than her, but he wasn't a year old she

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was. I believe she was around
three or four years old, so he

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was a year older than that.
So she was remembering this young boy,

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but he didn't live much past young
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But she learned of this brother and
was able to at least get to

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know his his adopted family. I
see, that's interesting because I was gonna

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say she was really if she was
much younger than that, I might have

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been kind of like on the cusp
of maybe his spirit was letting her know,

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hey, I'm your brother and you
had a brother kind of thing,

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you know what I mean. But
the fact that she was three or four

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definitely would be logical that it was
recurring memory that had been buried somewhere and

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brought back with some sort of trigger
that maybe came back. What is piezo

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electricity? I think I said that
right, piso electricity, piezo electricity.

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That's really getting into something technical,
but basically it falls into something very similar

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like electrostatic bias. But you know
how many times have you heard, oh,

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I feel a cold spot, I
feel that hair, My hairs are

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standing up on end. I feel
that something's here. Often electricity hangs out

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in the air as a static electricity
where we it doesn't move. It literally

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will just stay there in the air
undisturbed. How often do you rub your

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feet against a carpet, Go and
touch a metal door knob and you'll see

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a spark and you'll feel that,
you know, that electric city running from

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your finger into the doorknob. So
there's these various forms of electricity that I

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feel, in some cases are misinterpret
as paranormal And all you need is a

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simple let's see if I have one
right here? I do this device here,

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actually see if I can get it. This is an electrostatic analyzer.

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It literally picks up this stagnant electricity
in the air, which can perceivably cause

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the feeling of being watched. It
can cause the feeling of prickly goose bunsensation,

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it can cause the feeling of cold
spots. So where often in the

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paranormal field it is perceived that there
are entities around you, with this paranormal

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activity, I can often prove it's
just stagnant electricity in there. Don't get

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me wrong, I'm not saying that
paranormal activity doesn't exist. I've had my

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own experiences when we can get into
that if you want to at some point.

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But more often than not, I
do find that there is a scientific

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cause for what's being perceived as paranormal. What about a photographic anomalies, because

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I know I find a lot of
I take a lot of pictures and ye

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when I'm on an investigation, I'll
take a lot of pictures of windows and

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mirrors, and I see a lot
of faces when we zoom in on them.

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What do you think about all that? Well, obviously a lot of

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that has to do with pariodolia.
You know what paridolia is. Part there's

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a party of there's a party of
brain. For those who may not be

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completely familiar with it, there's a
part of your brain called the fusive form.

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Now, this is part of your
brain that recognizes the familiar and tries

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to make sense out of confusion with
what you know to be familiar. That's

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why people often see a funny rabbits
and clouds, or they see, you

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know, Elvis and a cracker.
When we were younger, there wasn't such

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thing as cable television, or there
wasn't internet television. You were getting all

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your television through radio broad casts,
so you could look at a TV channel

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where there wasn't a broadcast and you
could see static. If you looked at

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static long enough, your brain's going
to try and make sense of the confusion,

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and you're going to start seeing faces. You're going to start seeing what's

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perceived to be you know, words. You may even start to hear things

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in there in the background, because
that's your brain trying to make sense out

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of confusion. But when it comes
to photos, I'm not saying everything has

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an explanation, but there are a
lot of things that get overlooked. And

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there's something called chromatic aberration, which
is basically when there is a color outline

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around a person, and this is
often misinterpreted as an aura. I'm not

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saying that there's never been an ora. Photos that's not for me to say.

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I'm just saying I've seen plenty of
cases where this chromatic aberration. It's

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also known as purple fringing because often
it comes across as purple. There's something

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called backscatter that's primarily where the whole
ORBS thing comes into play. I have

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yet personally to see any positive proof
where an ORB couldn't be explained scientifically with

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either plasma or the term backscatter.
Back in the nineties, there was something

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called Yahoo Groups. This was before
MySpace and Facebook and all these all the

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social media outlets that we have now. Back then, Yahoo groups is where

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people would go to discuss things that
they enjoyed with other people who would enjoy

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them. There was a popular group
by David Alwister. It was a pretty

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popular group piece to talk about some
interesting, various, somewhat paranormal things.

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But as a way to hype up
his group, he started claiming that orbs

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or paranormal in nature, particularly if
you found them near graveyards. Now,

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if you go take pictures and graveyards, they are typically these large fields.

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They're very susceptible to stagnant humidity,
and you're gonna get orbs all over the

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place. You know you're gonna get
all these plant life and whatnot that are

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releasing yep. So he used this
as kind of a hype to get people

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to join us Yahoo group with this
discussion that orbs are paranormal and there's something

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basically called the availability cascade where information
gets passed from person to person to person,

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and enough people hear it, you're
going to believe it without any proof.

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I mean, if you ton of
your friends tell you something's true,

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you're going to believe it even without
evidence because you know the preponderance. Wow,

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well true that Well, thank you
so much for this enlightening conversation today.

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I really do appreciate you coming on
and telling us how your team goes

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about debunking things that people misunderstand to
be paranormal activity. Ghostly listeners. You

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can follow me on my website,
author eleanor Wagner dot com, where there

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are links to my books and video
updates and photographs. Thank you, paranormal

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enthusiasts for tuning in today. I
hope you'll come back again. Remember to

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tap into your own gifts everyone has
now, and in the meantime, make

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sure you're creeping it real,