Hey, everybody, Welcome back to an episode of Challenge to Podcast. All
about the Challenge as always. I am Brian, sitting over in Germantown Hills,
Big Uncle, Sweet Tea, and at work as usual. Zachie Banana's
aka Dusty on a crazy lay though. Yeah that was a crazy delay.
Uh and uh not in Minnesota. Actually an Idaho calling in from vacation,
Carlin the other CT What a boring vacation you're calling into podcast about a reality
show? Hey, you know, I'm only like two I'm like twelve hours
into the vacation. I guess technically I left work early yesterday, so I'm
like twenty eight hours into the vacation. So you're taking a couple of hours
off to talk to some nerds all over the country about a reality show.
I mean, just remember, absolutely officially fall into the nerd category. Now
we've got her obsessed with doing a podcast. You can't even not do it
on vacation. No. I just when I make a commitment, I like
to keep those commitments, even if it means that I had to take two
hours out of my vacation to talk on a podcast about a trash TV show.
Just wait, I will never do that. If I'm on vacation,
you'll never hear from me. Yeah, I know, I've you've been on
vacation a few times with this show. What was that I feel attacked for
last weekend? Now, Judge's super judgmental over there. It was not meant
as a judgment thing. It's just my own hang up. Uh, kay
mentioned we love Carlin in the chat room. Oh thanks, I appreciate that
spelled it wrong though, It's okay, No, no they didn't. Luv
is how you spell love? Will be? Oh? I thought you met
Carlin. I'm like they spelled her name right. I do have a bone
to pick with you, Carlin. Oh my daughter's best friend's name is Kaylin.
Oh yeah, you had this. You've had this phone to pick with
me for a few weeks. You brought this up like two or three weeks
ago because you've almost started calling Kaylin, and then I think Wolfie called you
out, Like, uh well, Now my my phone doesn't know what to
do because now I have a Carlin in my phone, but I text about
Kaylin like every day, and so it's auto correcting Kaylin for Carlin all the
time. I mean, whatever, if it comes through as Kaylin. I'm
not going to be all that upset. I'm gonna, well, I'm gonna
have to change your name in my phone to Kaylin so it stops out of
correcting. Yeah, but then you're gonna then it's gonna you're gonna look at
it. Who the fuck is Klin? I don't care if I call you
Klin, though, but I care if I call this child a ten year
old child Carlin. It's weird. Thanks. Yeah, so your friends you
don't care about, but your daughter's friends and deal. I appreciate that we
think about. I'm texting pariance about their daughter and calling them the wrong name
and ship. It looks real weird. I can understand that. Yeah,
look's kind of creepy. Yeah, hey, everybody head her a challenge pot
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we'll get to it a little bit. It's a bad tell us about happened
on this episode. Oh look, Emily's in the chat room. Emily's my
new girlfriend. Sure, this is episode number seven. Give me liberty or
give me death. West comes back in the house wearing his blue jersey and
immediately starts getting all woe is me super sad. West. Oh my god,
I felt super insincere, Like, what are you doing? I have
a lot to say about West's game here? With what he's doing with this,
it's so annoy though. He says he's just disappointed. He's given a
lot to the game and he wants to play hard and he wants to be
given a chance, but a lot of them just haven't given him a chance.
Less, You've been playing this game for almost twenty years. What do
you mean people have been giving you a chance? Yeah, it's so weird.
And then Fessie says he's just moping around the house. Corey says something
similar. Cassidy and West do this like making nice cease fire. They hug
in the hallway thing, and West again tells Cassidy he's just here to shut
up and look good, like it's all this weird woe is Me. Yeah,
But as as soon as they do that hug and he walks the other
direction, you see Cassidy's face in the camera like, okay's over the top
of noxious about this stuff. It is really weird. I mean, I
guess it is coming off of him last episode being all woe is Me,
Like this is the last time I'm going to be on this show and I
finally reached the end of my challenge career. But he would think that he
like you'd think he'd be able to snap back a little bit better because he
just won that elimination. So shouldn't he be like excited, Yeah, you
would think so. But people like, he's all over social media and so
is his wife, even talking about like what a good guy is and how
he's grown as a person he's and all that stuff, and people should be
like willing to give him a chance, which is maybe true. But also,
you were a dick on TV for fifteen years and people are just treating
you as if you've been a dick for fifteen years. I think that's an
appropriate thing. And West should just be like, well, I get it,
I gotta pay my dues now. Yeah, be the asshole for a
minute. Thanksful. West didn't care for the last fifteen years giving the rookies
a chance, so why should they now give him a chance? The delay
is crazy with you, Dusty. It's it's very bizarre. It's just the
Yeah, it's it's weird. Yeah, it's it's I agree with that,
leg dude. I don't know. I found this whole scene very odd.
It was I didn't want to deal with it. Yeah, the same.
The awkwardness doesn't end, though, because now we're into the West and michaela
fight, where MICHAELA is just sort of telling it like it is like she
always does, and Wes puts on his puppy dog face and what what did
I do to deserve the way you treat me? I just really want to
know. I just want to know, Like, come on, it's this
most insincere, manipulative shit. It's super annoying, and MICHAELA is having none
of it, and it just makes me like Michael even more. Yeah,
I really like this. She's just like not giving a shit about anything.
And we even get to a point spoiler alert later where she's just like,
yeah, if I get voted in just means when I win, I'm gonna
go to the blue team, So just you know, I'll punch that ticket.
Thanks guys. Okay, you're talking about what's going on in this shows
over here dosing himself in the chat rooms. I'm shameless. It's great.
I've given at my phone number several times in the show, and I get
texts from from listeners like not rarely. You know, it's kind of cool.
We have one to talk about later the show. It's gonna be great,
all right, social scary, that's pushing it too far, not doing
if you want to defend with the Michaela stuff, because you got to defend
Wes. I am holy Night because I thought that was kind of really like
he was just in there my own business. And she walks into like basically
tells him to move out of the room, like she asks him, aren't
you going to move down to the dungeon because there's so much space? Shouldn't
tell him? Yeah, I think she was kind of antagonizing, but like
she shouldn't like it, that's fine. Well, and she knows that Johnny's
good friend or the West is no good friends with Johnny. And then he's
also heard at a little in the Alliance with Josh and those are the two
people in that room and that room has empty space, and I mean,
I get it. Yeah, And Mikayla Clearland wanted him out. It was
you know, she she wanted to get him out. She wanted Dusty to
win. So I get she's a little list off too, And uh,
she's probably mad because a lot of them maybe started thinking the show is maybe
a little rigged, which we may have some news about later. Oh,
I mean, I don't disagree. It's pretty shady last time. Yeah,
we definitely had that conversation at the end of last week, which actually exact
since you weren't here for it. What do you think about the outcome of
that elimination last week's elimination the last one? Yeah, yeah, I don't
know. I'm guessing because they like edit it to make it seem like Dusty
one and then they revealed less than the winner. Field think it's rigged,
But I'm always a big believer that, like these shows have so many lawyers
like sitting offset making sure they're not breaking any lot. So I don't think
it's rigged. I mean they do, but for something like this, it
would be relative. I mean, it feels like it would be relatively easy
to kind of fudge those numbers a little bit. But I don't know.
Yeah, and I don't know either, But I know that there is a
bunch of regulations for game shows like a Jeopardy or a Wheel of Fortunate,
But this is not really a game show. This is a This is an
entertainment show. I don't think they could get in any trouble by lying about
these numbers. You know, pretty would have to look and I'm pretty sure
that they have to like operate under the same game show the laws, so
they can't like rig it. They can influence the players to like do dumb
things or like do what they want, but they can't deliberately just be like,
oh, we don't like who wants to like, let's flip the results.
Yeah. I don't know, I though either way, but it seems
shady to me last time that just like every single person thought Dusty one,
and it turns out, oh no West, did even West thought Dusty one?
You know, I don't know. It seemed weird. But so after
the MICHAELA. West fight, we get a little bit of Tyler and Alyssa
don't give a shit about this? Does anybody on the podcast give a shit
about Tyler? I skipped through all of these scenes because I needed to get
through this episode as quickly as possible, because I've watched it right before recording
today. Well, I'm gonna blow your mind. Carl and Tyler and Alyssa
they might be hooking up. I don't mind if I enjoy both of them
as people, so like I I ship it. No, gross, I
don't care. I really like Tyler from Big Brother. He is not wild
me on this season of the Challenge. Yeah, he's just sort of there.
He's I don't you know. I only know him as the curly hair
guy. If he didn't have the curly hair, I wouldn't even be able
to pull him out of a crowd. He just has barely existed to me,
all right. And then we get another feature of Michaela which makes me
think, oh, Michaela's going in. She has her one person workout montage.
We've been missing the workout montages, guys. We got a little bit
of one. She talks about her yes, right, she talks about her
godfather and says inspirational things you know, as challengers do on the episode in
which they go into elimination. And that's it. We're into the challenge.
So that as slow as I could will be. Put your phone down.
I'm finding the article. I need to bring up what we're going to talk
about later. Sure. Sure, it seems like you're texting sex picks to
your girlfriend. Oop I see it. Yes, the camera as Michael talking
on her her godmother as I, oh, she's going home this week.
I wavered between the home and I knew she was going in for sure.
What it features anybody, It's like, Oh, they're that's they're going in.
I thought for sure that we were going to get an Alissa Michaela the
fight, just because Alyssa was featured a lot this episode too. They did
a lot of foreshadowing for that. Yep, I agree. Well, all
right, So the challenge this week, it's called a wreck and roll.
Basically, the teams. Each team has a big sphere. Two people got
to go in the sphere. You knock over your columns. The other players
grabbed the tires that were at the top of the columns. Rearrangement to a
word puzzle and you're done. Starts off looking like it's gonna be a lot
of fun, became very boring. It was. It was a little boring,
but I kind of liked like the drone shots flying around as everybody was
doing shit. That was kind of cool and I wish they did more shots
like that. Yeah, they don't often have games where there's a lot of
things going on in a lot of different places. Yeah, it was sort
of like cinematic, and I like there's like go pros in the spheres that
were sort of rotating along with the players and it would catch to those everyone.
I thought it was shot really cool. I don't know. It was
kind of entertaining for a minute in that way. But this was very much
like a one of these games where the more players you have on the team,
it's like a big advantage. I'm surprised they didn't do anything to sort
of equalize that a little bit, because it seemed clear from the beginning Blues
got a big heads up on this one, and it seemed like no,
but he was never even gonna come close to Blue. Blue just sort of
runs away from from runs away with it from top to bottom. And that's
kind of all there's to say about this thing. Yeah, I will say,
I will give stupid Johnny Bananas a compliment. He uh. Because so
there's already some like letters on the board, and you see him run up
with like a rock or something and put an X on those so that if
they have to rearrange, shit, they already know the ones that are up
there are like set already. Yeah, yeah, that is I mean,
yet again, it really does show like I agree with I'll give I'll give
it to him as well, and that it shows he does have some some
great strategy from playing this game for so long. Yeah, there's some other
good strategy about bananas. But you know one I think it was the Green
team was just rolling there their wheels to a central location and then sort of
kent helping each other carrying up. It seem like an interesting take on it.
At the end of the day, I think more players, you just
win. That's how it goes. Yeah, But as Blue is crowned the
winner, Tory says in a confessional that because Blue is one, that means
Banana's West FESSI and Tory have the numbers. They can kind of do whatever
they want. So boring, but a big change if you think about it,
from three weeks ago that these Vets were targeted and there was nothing they
could do about it. To all of a sudden, these Vets are holding
all the cards. I know. That's why I liked it the season.
Yeah, they've now that they've sort of wrangled powerback, it's a little bit
more like boring old challenge. We know, we'll see, maybe it's just
for an episode. Yeah, they're true. All right, we're back at
the house. Josh talks to Fessie, and Josh's immediate plan is to throw
in michaela versus Channel. As part of this plan, they also have to
have a male decoy vote. That vote will be Tyler. They go and
tell Tyler right away, like, it's gonna be you, but we're gonna
do everything we can to make it a woman's day. Tyler is like,
mostly okay with it, but not so okay with it. If you're Tyler,
what do you do in this case? Is there anything you can do?
I don't know if there's much he can do. I mean, it's
up to the Blue team, so whatever. But yeah, sort of running
around and looking like a full like WestEd the other week, saying I don't
care here, vote for a girl. Yeah, since he's from Big brother
he does understand the idea of pawns going up. At least so he knows
it's a situation that can work. Yeah, he doesn't necessarily have to worry
about it, but there's always something that can go wrong though. Yeah.
I mean that's the thing they always say in Big Brothers, the pawns always
go home. Because I think he knows it's always risky. Yeah, yeah,
it certainly is risky. I think the Challenge, though, at least
you get a chance to win. So even if Tyler thrown in, he
can, you know, he's not out of the game real But either way,
yeah, he doesn't fight it too hard. This is where we start
seeing a lot of focus on Tiffany. So again I'm thinking, oh,
it's Tiffany versus Michaelan. She is in the room talking to Chanelle and Alyssa.
She's crying. She's saying she's not really cut out for this show.
She's feeling sort of out of place and overwhelmed. What'd you guys think about
this scene with tiff I think she's right. I don't think she's super cut
out for this because she's not really cut out for the physical part of it.
As we saw in Big Brother. Her strategical strategicy can go on match
sometimes, like sometimes she comes up with some of the best plans, but
yeah, I on a show like The Challenge, it's hard to sort of
get those plans going and get them to work, right. Yeah, I
mean, minus the physical side of this. She kind of reminds me of
Lolo because she doesn't I don't know she can take. Yeah, the way
that she reacted later on in this episode, it feels like she can't take
the like the emotional side of this game either. She freaked out the elimination
later on. Yeah, I think this is this is the game were you
expecting to never have to go in to like potentially always be safe, like,
But then she turned it and focused it on Josh, So I was
okay with it. Yeah, I agree with that too, But I think
you know that one challenge that she was talking about, She's like, oh,
this is swimming and endurance and memory, and I'm not good at any
of that stuff. And it's like, Okay, this isn't your show.
Then tip like, if you have a weakness, you can you can sort
of work around your one weakness. But if you're weak and all these things,
it's just it's not your show. And you do have to have some
athleticism in the show. You just have to. Yeah, you definitely do.
So if she's not athletic, then you know she probably doesn't belong on
the show. I mostly liked if I really do, but she annoyed me
with this line and one of her confessionals. She says people always ask me,
is it hard being so strong? I'm just like, oh, you're
full of shittivity. Nobody's ever asked you that. Nobody in the history of
humans has ever asked another human being that question. Wolfee, is it hard
being so strong? It's pretty soft? Carlin, is it hard being so
I've never heard that question from anyone before. No, it is such a
stupid thing to say. It's a weird question. Yeah, it never happened.
But anyway, the girls just say to to if all the stuff that
people always say in these situations of like it's a mental game. They're getting
in your head and it's you just have to believe you deserve it, and
then you do, and it's all this inspirational stuff and blah blah blah.
Yeah, I hate being inspired. Just leave me alone, you know.
All right, Well that's it for this. We're into nominations, all right.
So Blue team assembles, they're out in that patio or whatever the fuck.
There's not much debate here. The vets of sort of aligned. They
know what they're doing. They do like a round table vote just to make
sure everybody's voices are heard. But the vets are gonna get their way it's
almost like we've had a discussion about this. Yeah, it was kind of
condescending towards the end, you know, but yeah, the Bananas throws out
Michaela's name, Tori throws out Tyler's name. Some people disagree. Survivors seem
to be sticking together, but they're outnumbered. So that's it. It is
Michaela and Tyler. I don't have anything else to say about this nomination.
Pretty cut and dry, pretty cutting dry. Michaela does the oh my god,
I'm so shocked when she sees her name out there. Yeah, and
then she immediately goes and confronts Josh, saying like, I know you had
something to do with this or whatever. And Josh immediately says, why why
are you thinking it's weak? But we saw earlier it was totally him.
It didn't make this decision. I didn't make this play. It wasn't me.
Yeah, it's weird. He's trying to be like a powerful guy behind
the scenes, but then he doesn't want to own it. I don't understand
what his I don't understand what's going on with him to do it behind the
scenes, and if everyone knows you're the one doing it, you're not behind
the scenes. Yeah, that's probably I'm probably more thinking like survivor, you
should own your moves. But yeah, I mean Josh doesn't need to make
any more enemies, and I don't think people are going to target him no
matter if they know he made these moves or not. He's the weakest person
there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but Michaela does have an interesting question
here where she just confronts Josh and says like, I don't even know why
you care about getting strong women out, Like, what difference does that make
to you? It shouldn't impact your game at all, whether strong women are
here or not. So what's your point? Uh, She's right. Why
why is Josh aiming for strong women just because he's doing what Tori wants them
to do. Essentially, it's looking out for his his girls and his alliance.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I mean there could potentially
be some strategicy around it, just with I mean, if you have strong
girls on a team, then that team is automatically going to be stronger,
and if that's not your team, then your team is going to potentially lose
to that stronger team. So yeah, I don't know, I could see
it in that aspect, but at the same time, yeah, it is.
It is weird, but yeah, I can see why they want it
to be a women's day because then it's not a man's day. So that
one like, yeah, so anyone, but that in that case, it's
like any woman to pick the weakest ones that have no alliances here and nobody
should care. But yeah, sure what you guys says one. If keeps
the guys have elimination Two, it helps out Tory, which he wants to
do. I think also of them. Three is you know, I didn't
always look at the strongest women is just the most physical. We kind of
like the strongest also in the sense of who has the best capability to like
gather people inform like a counter you know, alliance against us. So by
getting out the strong players, you know that are very vocal, they can
just have steam roll the more laid back players. Well, I mean again
you could still like losing to a team isn't necessarily just in the I mean
it is in the in the challenge, but if you can get a team
to rally so that they all vote for your team, like all vote players
on your team in or they are all kinds of things. I agree with
e Zach. I think strong doesn't necessarily mean just on the field, Yeah,
but it is also it's it is a gameplay that has been used for
twenty plus years of get the women out because the women are weaker. Yeah,
yep, I agree. All right, So we get Desisi and Chanelle.
They're in their room. They're sort of debriefing about the team nomination.
Is talking about what happened in there, and Chanelle starts going off and saying,
you know that that eventually the survivor, the survivor strong stuff is not
going to hold up, and she's sort of is already looking at Michelle like
Michelle might be the first survivor. We cut as she's talking about Michelle.
Michelle comes wandering in. I always love it when this happens in the house,
doesn't Chanelle Like seemed like they played that off really well. I don't
think Michelle thought anything that was happening there. But we do learn from her
confessional that she she says she's also looking outside of Survivor for allies, and
that she knows this survivor strong thing isn't gonna last much longer, so she's
sort of looking for a way at herself. Looks like Survivors starting to crumble.
Guys, how do we feel about that? Yeah, it's gonna happen.
Yeah, it kind of has to. But it's weird that they're they've
been so successful. Why don't they just stay successful, you know what I
mean? Stay together and stay stay kicking ass because they're dumb fair enough.
I mean, I'm happy about it because it I don't know, there's something
about this whole we need to say stay Survivor and big Brother strong that drives
me nuts. But I also think if you're on Survivor, you got kind
of look at it and be like, Okay, let's say we stick with
this and we get to the end. It's all Survivor Like where am I
in the pecking order? Because if you're on the bottom half, it makes
sense for you to start looking to turn on Survivor if you have a reasonable
place to turn to. And I guess that's what Michelle's That's what Michelle's looking
for here. And also so you know, I know I've said early in
the season like I feel like, if your goal is to come back to
the show and do it for the next five ten fifteen years. Like it
is a very click is show. You know, a lot of times we
see the rookies go in or the like the less connected people go in early.
So I think it like benefits like Michelle in the long term to try
to work with like the Wess's and the Fast Seas and the Bananas at the
world, because those are the people she'll see time and time again that can
help get her into that power position future seasons of like get coasting to the
end. Yeah. Kay mentioned that Michelle is sort of aligned with the Vets
sort of, but she's low on the list, and that's also true.
So I think she's looking for a home where she's a little higher up in
the picking winner. Yeah, I mean is there one though, both sides
against each other, you know, pickoff a Vet pickoffs Survivan just bounced back
and forth. Yeah, you're probably right. All right, Well with that,
guys, we get another club nights. There we go. Yeah,
the big thing at this club night, guys, is Banana and West staging
an event where Tyler and Alyssa kiss. I skipped through this entire thing.
All right, Well, I just I just told you everything you need to
know. Uh, was just which was just like Tyler and Alyssa separately going,
oh, I really want to So it's just them finding a couple of
around thirty year old people to stage an event to where they could kiss.
Yeah, it seems strange. It was very strange, very high school.
I don't know. Well, Bananas and West, do you say that that
you have to make your own entertainment. Yeah, so they're basically just coming
up with something to do while they're out because they're bored especially, that's fair
enough. Yeah, it did crack me up when Alyssa referred to them as
the drunk uncles of the house. I did like that too, the old
dudes. We get scenes of them in bed, cuddling, making out.
Never got under any covers that I saw, so I think there was no
insertion. Alyssa says she didn't trust any of the people in this house or
any of the cameras in this house. I like that we can see each
other on video because you made quite the face about that one of Carlin's.
That's how a serious a relationship. That's how you judge it. The level
of insertion there, whether it's just the tongue or if it's something more.
That's right, something inserted somewhere. Carlin really regrets. I sound like such
a prude whenever we're on this show. That's right, that's your job,
keep us, keep us in line. Ten seconds sex, yeah, Kay,
says that's because I'm big brother the guy she had sex with less than
ten seconds, and that was captured on that was captured on television. Poor.
Yeah that sucks for her because that yeah, that that just sucks for
her. But that really sucks for him because he will forever be known as
the guy who lasted ten seconds. Yeah video proof. Oh god, that's
awful. All right, Well that's that. Then we get into the secret
vote. I don't like the secret vote anymore. Guys. We never know
who votes for anybody, So what's the point of them just showing them put
random balls and the thing and hitting the thing. Yeah. I do kind
of wish they would show, like, actually show who voted for who a
little bit more often. I think this show could afford five seconds of just
I'm voting for so and so because of this, and then you hit the
button because yeah, we don't know. We still don't know who's voting for
anybody. Stupid man. I think i'd love if they did kind of like
Survivor style, like on Survivor at the end, like during the credits they
have showed the monte who everyone voted for. Yep, that would solve some
mysteries here, because there's always some even people on that TV thing, you
know. Yeah, even when they when they pop up the counts of everybody,
like when they pop up account for Tiffany, she looks around like what
the fuck. Yeah, And it could just do a real quick of like
Tiffany, I'm voting for you. It doesn't even need the reason why Tiffany
it's you, Tiffany, I'm voting for you, just the real quick run
through the four people are. Yeah, this is where the black and white
flashbacks come in that they like to use on any everything else. Yeah.
I mean they could even do like four four poster type of things, like
where it's divided into four boxes and it doesn't even like have the voices,
or it does have the voices and they all say something similar, And I
think, yeah, there are a lot of ways they could do this.
Yeah. I think at the bottom screen just like pop up like the faces
of like the people that voted for them, like just cutouts of their face.
Yeah, that'd be fine too, and say, at least the viewers
got to know. Yes, it really does seem important to the game too.
If there's like seven votes every round that we don't know who's voting for
people, it seems like an important thing to know why we watch these people
play this game. But what do I know? All right? Well,
with that, we're onto elimination. God damn it, eliberation. Yes,
I'm getting parched doing that all right. Teeds reveals the votes. It's Tiffany
with two votes, Monty with one, Alyssa with one, Josh with one,
Corey with one, and Chanelle with four. I liked. I liked.
When they hit Josh, he looked around like what, Yeah, who
would have voted for me? And then he thinks it was Chanelle for like
he has no reason, yeah, because she's not making eye contact with him,
Like, dude, you're all standing up there looking at t J Why
would she make be making eye contact with you when you're all looking in the
complete different direction like yep. And so if Chanelle did vote for him,
I'd like to know why. And if she didn't, I want to know
that. So Josh looks like a fucking idiot here. No, who knows
how accurate this is, But according to Wikipedia, Chanelle did was the vote
for Josh. But I also, ironically, Josh it says voted for Chanelle
that round. So yeah, room to speak. Well, he's a hypocrite,
and we've known that for a long time. He's a douche bag hypocrite.
Gay well, and it's also one of those things where like I almost
feel like if you catch someone looking at you when your name gets called,
you're almost more inclined to believe that they're the ones that through your name in,
because if they didn't throw your name in, then it was just kind
of oh, yeah, that sucks. But I'm just gonna continue looking at
TJ because he's saying other names, right, Yeah, Scott said if she
was looking at him, he claims she was staring him down because she voted
for him. That's right, that's a good point, yep. Well,
TJ flushes the toilet and out pops Tiffany. So this is a Tiffany versus
michaela battle for tonight. I really wanted the way that they were building this
up. The moment that Tyler's name didn't get pollar that Tyler got sent back
up to the to the group. I so badly wanted TJ to say a
Lista's name. Wanted that my fingers and cloth, my toes got crossed,
and I'm so excited. I didn't want him to go in. I'm so
happy, and I wanted it to just be like, well, so teach,
who is it? It's a Lissa And for her, she's like,
what would have been amazing? I was kind of hoping it would have been
Josh like got called down. That would have been great too, Josh,
you're playing Michaela, just because we felt like the way that this goes really
content in there. The hopper doesn't lie. Well, Josh is going on
no matter what, no matter what, elimination against whoever, it doesn't matter.
He's going on. Well, in this case, it's Tiffany versus Michaela.
Before they get to the game, though, Tiffany comes out and throws
a hissy fit down in the sand. She has some points, so this
is when she starts yelling at the men, like, you guys are being
pussies and hiding behind these votes and always throwing in women to keep yourself safe.
But that's stupid. She's got a point with some of this, and
you guys think she does. But at one point in time she yields about
how it's not the strong women who were beating your at the kind of are
So I found that a little strange to say, But yeah, she wasn't
totally accurate here, but she had some points. And just because it doesn't
seem like there has to be an even amount of girls and guys' days,
like, I feel like it makes sense that every time you vote, you
should always vote for the opposite gender, So I don't see any purpose for
the men to vote in other men. Yeah, yeah, he's probably right.
Uh well, Josh of course takes this tantrum very personally, even though
she is not talking to him or even about him, more just talking in
general for the men. And Josh just comes up and says, that's not
fair. I don't like you talking like that, and blah blah blah,
makes it all about him as he tends to do. Everybody's out to get
him, just like, yeah, pathetic. I don't like that guy.
All right, Well that's it. The game is called top heavy. We
haven't seen this one before. She's they stand on top of these beams they
throw their body weight back and forth, they pick up a basketball, they
swing it the other way and try to throw a basketball into hoop. I
knew Mikailo was winning. I think everybody did, like right away, immediately
right Was there ever any doubt any from anybody in the in the room mirror.
I felt for Tiffany, she at least got one. I felt I
was worried. Yeah, yeah, it was. Usually they try to make
it seem close, and they get the confessionals of people saying like, oh,
it's a nail by her, it's close, it's anybody's game. There
was no way to do that with this game. No, everybody was just
like, ah, yeah, this is Mikayla's game. Tiffany looked like me
trying to throw a basketball. Yeah, because when I was like watching tip
now they're like leaning back and forth. It seemed like she was barely leaning,
like her heart wasn't in it and she's just already like just ready to
go home. Yeah, she did kind of. I don't know if if
it was her heart wasn't in it, or if she just wasn't super comfortable
with having to like truly throw your body back and forth. Yea yeah,
Scott says, I would have loved to see Josh and his uncoordinated and you
would have fallen off and immediately just dangled there, guys, how do I
get back up? All right? Well, that's it for the episode.
Michaela and a confessional says she's gonna take Tory spot and blow up the Blue
team. I was so excited to see this. This would have been such
a great story. But TJ says, Nah, you don't have any decisions
to make go back to your team. I feel like we were robbed of
that. How great would that have been to see Michaela get on the would
have team would have been a good moment. It would have been amazing.
I'm so upset we got robbed. It would have been good. But I
also enjoy individual like seasons and like moments, so like I'm excited for this,
I am too. I mean, it's it's great whenever the game switches
like this, But give us one week of michaelan Blue. I just think
that would have been a lot of fun. Perfect kind of wish is that
she had that TJ had held off for you know, ten seconds. Let
her say that she wanted to go to Blue and then be like, well,
that's cute, but it doesn't actually matter. It would have been fun
to get everybody's reaction of, right, oh, she's taking Tori's place,
What Tori's going to green? What I'm ever going to get real animated about
it? And then no, yeah, we're not, We're not doing that.
Yell, are all on your own thing? Yeah, that would have
been fun. Well that's it, guys, the episode's over. What do
we think is next in this phase of the game. It's an independent game,
obviously, what changes though, Well, you didn't mention that it's no
more teams. That was TJ's big twists, and I just say that it's
an individual game now, Oh I didn't hear you. Thanks, I mean
thanks. I have a feeling that they're going to do a lot of the
same things that they have done in previous seasons where they're if they I mean,
I know they say no no more teams, but I have a feeling
that they're probably going to be playing games in groups where it's a random grouping
of people for some things, and then other things will truly be individual challenges.
I think so too. I think we'll have, you know, a
game that's all pays is in a game that's teams and maybe an individual game
thrown in there. I think we're gonna see some flip flows stuff here,
but it'll get interesting. I do think, Sorry, is that go ahead?
I say, I do feel like for some reason, now that's an
individual that the like the rookies, will have a more open mind to like
really embracing the veterans and like playing with them. Yeah, oh see,
I want to see the opposite. Have everybody just be like, nah,
we're all voting rookie or veterans out first, right, because now there's more
rookies than there are veterans. I mean, if they were smart, they
would do that. But I have a feeling I'm kind of with Zach.
I have a feeling that they're going to probably look at Johnny and or Johnny
and West especially and be like, you guys have played this game a lot.
You guys want to won this game a lot. Let's be friends.
Give us some pointers for doing this by yourself. That's dumb, it is,
but I just have a feeling they're going to do that. Zach,
do you have the remaining cast list on hand? By chance? Because there's
there has to be more men than women at this point, right, is
there like two or three more men than women just because we've had more women
eliminations. Because my prediction is that they're going to purge some dudes. We
got to even up these teams. Oh yeah, I can see that.
I think we're gonna have a dude purge and then and then we're gonna have
a male and a female elimination every episode. Oh yeah, so we currently
have nine men left and seven women. Okay, so that's not too Yeah,
I could see a purge that could be fun. We could have a
double elimination for men, or a purge or something like that. Even up
those numbers. I bet that's what's gonna happen. And then they're gonna have
one of each off every week. Do you think they're going to do a
mini final next next week? Oh? I don't know. I mean I
feel like that's typically what has happened in the past, like when they move
from groups to pairs or groups to individual they the purge starts by doing a
mini final. You end up with, well, how many episodes are you
left? K asked that I think there's five left. I think there's twelve
total. M all right. I think we're just getting close to the final.
The teams are looking small. When it shows the big shots, it's
like, oh, yeah, a lot of people have gone this season,
I guess, but yeah, I think there's five left. Nice Kay Winston
to who we see winning, I forget who I said at the beginning of
the season. Well, I chose Lewis and he's gone. But I think
I also chose Michelle. I think I chose Bananas and Deisi, who are
both still there. Yeah, somebody picked Tiffany. That might have been new
Tim Damn fuck that one. Daisi's got a chance to win this thing.
She is tough this season. I think Desi and Michaela have a really good
shot on the women's side. Speaking of Desi, did you go back to
see her uncensored word shot? Well, un, I'm a member of the
incredib sexist challenge picks subreddit where it posts skippy details of these challengers and all
sorts of various states of undress, and so somebody screen captured those and posted
them there, so I've seen them. Yes, it's on TV. It's
fair game. I'm not It's not perfect. That's not a perfect thing,
right, that's okay. It's okay to do that a pervert. I'm not
a pervort. I must have missed those blurred sections when I was watching it.
You gotta focus on the on that butt, Zach. Yeah, it
was when they were on the Heights Above Water and Trivia Challenge and the Blue
team all pulled their pants down. It's when it was on CBS, though
it's unblurred on Paramount Plus. So I watch had challenge. I was kind
of like multitaskings. How wasn't like having my full folcussk. I didn't realize
saying with the camera, Yeah, I don't worry about focusing on e Zac.
It's not like you do a podcast about it or anything. It wasn't
really mooning though, Like her shorts just kind of got hiked up and it
was like she was wearing like a bikini bottom essentially. Like at the at
the beginning of the challenge, they all actually mooned the camera because they were
saying asked glass and they all pulled their pants down. Oh, it was.
It was a wide shot. It was all three you could see all
three teams and they were all very little. Oh so that's not gonna do
anything for me. Then I need a up close shot. Kay, listen
about smashing. I sure hate that guy. I hope we never see him.
A really cute puppy him, I don't know. I don't like his
face. It's he's got a weird face. To me, I don't know.
I don't like it. I don't like his eyebrows. It is very
much a face person. I don't like your face. I don't think that's
face. He's got a weird face, right, Sebastian, Yeah, he's
so. He looks like Ammo to me, and I can't I only see
Ammo every time I see him. He looks like I don't have an issue
with that. It just it. He just looks like someone else. Yeah,
what kind of puppy is a Carlin's a little golden middle puppy and like
ten pounds. It's really cute, I have, Kay says, people say
it looks like Jordan. I have to see a few people calling him which
version of Jordan? Yeah, I'm only just said yeah, I mean I
said, I said he looked like Jordan at the beginning of season. Similar
fashion and style I can see, but no, Jordan is a beautiful similar
terrible haircut. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, Tory's got a thing for bad
haircuts. But in the face, Jordan's got a lovely, beautiful face.
Sebastian Tim Sebastian's weird? Do I think Tim just says because he's jealous because
he doesn't have a haircuts. Yeah, because that's the same same excuse that
I have. Ye, he's going to Nashville Challenge. My knish I cut
my hair really weird before I go. Don't you have a girlfriends? Yes,
maybe ask your girlfriend? Does your girlfriend going with you in the Nashville
Challenge, Maynie? I don't believe. So isn't she like right there in
Nashville? Where is she Kentucky? Nashville is not in Kentucky. Yeah,
Nashville is more like central West. She's like far east. Okay, Jay
says I Also, I saw they edited it out Fessi versus Fessi versus Bananas
and Josh this episode. Yeah, I saw a video clip of that online
somewhere. FESSI was yelling at Bananas looking like an idiot. You know.
Fessi was featured a little bit, a bit more than he has been early
in the episode. Yeah, and I was at first, I was kind
of like, Oh, so we're gonna get a fessy heavy episode. He's
gonna look like a dick again, and then that just kind of fizzled out
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Uh Kay brings up. I have the article to read. I'm going to
but first I gotta ask Zach. Any social media stuff, uh not that
I've saw. I'm looking right now because apparently someone said that. Kay said
that the Laurel called out West, but I'm not seeing anything on her Twitter.
There was a lot of people commenting or commenting about West that people who
posted on like the challenge subredit from like Instagram stories and stuff like that.
A lot of people on both sides of the West argument was saying that he
is a nice guy and people should give another chance, versus he's an asshole
and he's kind of weep reaping what he sewed. Here seems people are taking
sides. West continues to mope and say he's done with the challenge. Yeah,
I saw that, And you know, like they was saying that,
like Dimond said, West is not a nice guy, because I feel like
it has nothing to do with how nice he has. It just has to
do with like how good of a reputation he has on the show. Yeah,
I think that's what I see with it too, because I have no
doubt Wes is a good a good human being. And so like Shane Landrum
posted a thing that I guess, uh, somebody at a bar, like
Wes and Shane were out at a bar and somebody started beating up Shane for
just being a gay guy. And West ended up beating the ship out of
the guy that was hitting Shane. Good. Yeah, good. And it's
like it's like, I'm sure that happened and I and I respects a lot,
and that's a great thing for West to have done for a friend.
And but what if I played this game with him? I also wouldn't trust
him in the game. Like it's a it's a different argument to me.
It's like, you can be you can be both. You can be a
good dude and a and a snaky player. Okay, says Laurel. So
she hates West and that he's a punk. Well, if she did,
she must have deleted it, because I'm checking both her posts and her replies.
I'm not seeing anything about that, but their stories. Yeah, they
brought up when he poured soda on Kara. Yeah, he needs to go
on record and apologize for his some sort of former ship if he wants to
be taken seriously and not yall, woe is me. Yeah, he wants
to be taken seriously as a nice guy and all that. Like, I'm
sure in his real life he is a pleasant person to be around and he's
just as much of an asshole as all the rest of us are. But
on TV he has he has portrayed himself as as an asshole as many of
them have. Yeah, and yeah, I mean you can't try and pull
this like, oh, I'm a nice guy, I'm so sweet and so
I deserve a chance playing this game. You know, fairly in the stuff
like, dude, you've been a dick a lot. Yeah, I don't
know, And all you can do to make amends is stop being a dick
and just take those punches and roll with them when people treat you like he
used to be an asshole because you did. I also do find a little
bit funny that Laurel called him out for like being mean Tokara, since that
happened on a season of Rivals where they were partners. Because Laurel bullied Carra
this season before. Yeah, and we saw laure was also a dick.
Yeah, was was she bullied the hell out of Bigge Oh my god some
of the ship that she said to him, Yeah, and to Paula about
her eating disorder and shit like that. Like Laurels also a bit like these
people are not good people. For the most they're not, which is why
we watched the ship. Yeah, exactly, cases Paula deserved it. I
still think that was a low blow. Paula deserved. Paula deserves something.
But there's a little there's some lines that shouldn't be crossed, that's all.
Yeah, But was wasn't this when she said a bunch of ship to Carl,
like wasn't this during the fight, And Laurel's like kind of like,
well, if you're gonna dish it out, then why we do this and
just said a bunch of shit. Yeah, but there's there there's still us
to be lines. Man, there's gotta be lines. It doesn't I don't
know. Case says, no lines, all right, no lines justified.
Emily says Paul was also assaulted well drunk by Evan and Kenny. Right,
that was that was Tanya? Yeah, yeah, do we want to get
to this article? Then I find yes, Yes, I want to know
this article says so in relation to I was talking about if the Dusty West
thing was rigged and how we've commented on. You know, there's been other
stuff that's kind of questionable over the years. Someone on Instagram, I don't
remember who started it. It's not the important part, uh started like,
hey, that was totally rigged. What else? Do you think? It's
some other things that are rigged, like you know, put your ones below
or whatever. People started calling out ones again, not important. Hayley.
If we remember Kayley, she had all of her ship thrown over the balcony.
I remember she chimed in and said the challenge is rigged for viewers entertainment,
plain and simple. It's not the Olympics. It's a TV entertaining show.
I've seen the rigging myself. That's when you realize does doesn't matter how
hard you train. If it doesn't fit the storyline, it doesn't matter.
And then apparently James Wallington from Amazing Race, I think he was on one
season, like last USA season, I believe said responded with this and then
two clap emojis. I So, I mean not saying they're not correct,
but Kayley was not the greatest player at this game, so I take what
she has to say with a massive grain of salt. And yeah, the
Amazing Race guy was on for a season, so I really don't care what
he has to say. Like I want to hear from players who have been
playing this game for many, many, many years. Yeah, who I
kind of trust a little bit more. Yeah, they're not gonna say anything
until they're totally done with the show though, you know, because you gotta
believe once you start talking to shit like that, you're not gonna go back
on the show. Yeah, but I mean there are plenty of players out
there who are done with the show that could chime in on this kind of
thing. Yeah, that's the thing is, yeah, like if if there
was actual rigging, like it would not have been kept a secret for you
know, twenty three years, that would it would have come out by now
someone would open but didn't. Didn't Car and Polly go on the record and
say, total, man, this is rigged for bananas and that's why Carr
got putting a time out from the challenge. I mean they did say that,
but I also think that was just like them being haters and like,
yeah, yeah, because they were talking against bananas. No, I thought
that was just them being haters too. I didn't feel like it was just
because they don't like bananas. Well then you gotta pick well, guys,
if you're saying, well, they need some vets to come out and say
it's rigged, and then them it's like, well, yeah, but they
did. They weren't really right about it, all right, whatever you get
to say. Yeah, because there was a big controversy like oh, they
changed the final last season from like one winner to two, just how bananas
could win. You and Bananas say on this podcast like the first of the
season, like do you really think that entire cast there that they could change
the rules at the last minute and everyone would just like co sign it and
go along with it like someone would have. I mean, and so I'm
going to contradict myself again I realized this. I guess I do kind of
have to side with car and Polly a little bit more because there was also
all the evidence of Johnny popping adderall in the season, that he stole Sarah's
money, which should have not been a legal thing to do during the middle
of it of a challenge that you're up all night and all that sort of
thing. So I mean, I guess I do kind of have to side
with them and think about how he has They have definitely played the game in
his favor more than a few times. Yeah, so we'll never know.
The world will never know. Ye But Okay, that's what I'm not saying.
Bananas doesn't gonna say they change it. But the fact that there's what
like twenty one other people on that season, including Jenny who won, and
like, if they changed it last second from one winner two, everyone in
the cast is gonna like keep that the world's biggest secret and like no one's
gonna spell the beans on it like, I don't know would speak up and
be like, yes, they changed it, you know, from one winner
to two last minute so Johnny could win. Yeah, I don't know I
would, Discott says, I'm sure there have been so many people from production
that have come and gone that someone would have spoken up by now. Yeah,
but I think they're sure. They probably signed a ship ton of ndia's
you. Yeah, do you know that when it comes to production, a
lot of times they do have to sign india's specifically around the storyline of the
shows. Yeah, they do that in a lot of reality show, especially
a lot of the more doc you follow type series like Housewives and all that
sort of thing. They sign indias that are specifically around the storyline of that
season and the sort of the storyline of that show. So there's a good
chance that that's something that they have to do for this as well. Yeah,
Risa, and I remember Corey did an interview and said they don't test
for performance drugs. It is super clear that that they're on steroids most most
of the men. It's pretty have been for years. Yeah, if you
know what to look for, it's pretty clear. Johnny's got the steroid belly
sorry, sorry, Zachie Banana's over there. Johnny's totally a steroid us yeah,
very barrel chested, yeah, and barrel stomached. Yep. Well,
hey, if they're not getting test for everyone else is doing it, Like
I support Johnny doing it. Yeah, I truly don't care. I wish
they would all be completely roided freaks on this show. Just that's like major,
like most Yeah, just just get him as built up as you can.
Who cares. I have no concern for their health. I don't know
if when he came back, k but like, what's his first three seasons
he had more steroid than him than the entire like, oh my god,
yeah him, Kenny, was it Tyreese or tyree st all of them,
like, yeah, you look back out of years ago, Brad, all
of them, they were Brad's come back. For sure. He was roided
out. Tony even talks about it on the show like kind of in vague
speech, but you can hear, you can tell what he's saying. Yeah,
yep, Scott brings up this else get the all steroid Olympics. I
don't remember that, but yes, somebody goes to like do a deadlift his
arms just he's trying to lift so much because he's all roided up. Yeah.
I wouldn't see a bizarre shit like that. Yeah, more steroids.
Yep. All right, guys, I need to I need to, but
I don't want to. I don't want to g TFO without ending this.
So the you know, we'll be here everybody. Uh, I don't know
how do we usually end this? Clearly caught off guard, thanks a lot,
card, Sorry, jeez, we done the show. We'll be all
right, well, thanks for listening, everybody as usually and Brian Zach Flash,
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