WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.599 Former YouTuber Ruby Frank, known for her parenting advice Channel eight passengers, has 2 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:08.640 been sentenced to up for thirty years in prison for physically and emotionally abusing her 3 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:13.160 children. Frank and her business partner Jody Hildebrand pleading guilty to four counts of 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:17.719 aggravated child abuse, including forcing their son into physical labor and inflicting injuries. 5 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.960 This was part of a plea deal which resulted in guilty please being given with 6 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:25.600 more serious charges being dropped. The abuse came to light when Frank's twelve yard 7 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.920 son escaped and sought help from a neighbor. Frank expressed remorse at her sentencing, 8 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:34.200 acknowledging the harm done to her children. Hildebrand also pled guilty and received 9 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:39.240 a similar sentence. Case highlights the dangers of influencers promoting harmful parenting practices in 10 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:43.880 the importance of safeguarding children's well being. This story from skyningws UK published on 11 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:48.119 the twenty first of February twenty twenty four. Yeah, this is this is 12 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:53.320 some pretty atrocious behavior by this mom and her friend. At one point, 13 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:58.280 they coursed their daughter to jump into a cactus plat as punishment the son. 14 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.560 When you finally escaped. He did this, gave him a his own home. 15 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.799 For some reason, he was at Hildebrandt, her business partner's home. 16 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:10.000 Escaped from Hildebrandt's home, had I believe, tape duct tape and on his 17 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.079 wrists and ankles, and had been chained up, and one of his one 18 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:18.200 of her older children, at one point was banished out of his room because 19 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:19.879 he wouldn't get along with his son and forced to sleep on a bean bag 20 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.920 chair. Just atrocious, atrocious behavior. I don't know where in what world 21 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.680 any of this behavior is okay parenting. I don't I don't understand it's it's 22 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.879 just completely unfathomable to me. I was raised Mormon, and these are not 23 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:41.400 parenting techniques that I ever heard preach from a pulpit. I believe wealth the 24 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:46.359 defenders were Mormon. I know the mother was, but I think maybe these 25 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:49.439 they probably didn't want to be parents. I think a lot of people, 26 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.760 a lot of Mormons, they they In Mormonism, no one gives you the 27 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.879 option of not being a parent. It's always preached your whole life to be 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.719 parents. That's the highest and that's the best you can do is to be 29 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:02.480 parents. But nobody ever tells you, you know what, be parents. 30 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.640 If that seems right for you, give it some thought, figure out if 31 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.919 that's what you want to do with your life. And it's not like these 32 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.680 people probably didn't want to be parents, and we're maybe coursed by the church 33 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.520 to be parents and then had no skills on how to be parents at best. 34 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.039 And what I really want to know is where in the heck was the 35 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:27.000 dad during all of this. Mom and dad have been separated for a year, 36 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:32.759 I believe, before the son escaped and got help. The article says 37 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.960 that neighbors also claimed that after her husband was out of the home, Frankie 38 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.599 would leave the house for weeks at a time with the children's side. What 39 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:45.840 dad doesn't know that their kids are being left in a house for weeks at 40 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:50.199 a time alone. Come on, dude, step up. And I'd like 41 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.840 to say this is an isolated incident, but from what I see, there 42 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.560 are a lot of dads out there that when they leave their marriage, they 43 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.319 leave their kids too. And that's a bunch of fun fucking shit right there. 44 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.919 Right If you're not gonna if you're not going to show up for your 45 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.400 kids, their whole lives one hundred percent of the time, then you should 46 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:10.319 not be having kids. Right. You're a dad their whole lives. You're 47 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:15.360 a mom their whole lives, and that's what you're signed up to be to 48 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.520 do. And I just I'm just I'm so so mad at this dad for 49 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.599 not being present, for not protecting this kids, for not being there. 50 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.199 It's just, oh, it just makes me so mad. Helen all right, 51 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:34.080 So she's a piece of fucking trash and thirty years just does not seem 52 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:40.000 enough for what she did to her children. The report also goes into how 53 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:46.080 the son that jumped out the window and found a neighbor to help them, 54 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.400 and this is how this whole thing came to like because they were being sickrely 55 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:54.039 being held in their home and he was he had incidents of being held with 56 00:03:54.120 --> 00:04:00.400 duct tape and his mother used kaoe pepper and honey, you dress his wounds, 57 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:05.039 and I this is I also want to point out, if I know, 58 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:10.840 some people in are honest may have experience experienced abuse. So if you're 59 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:15.919 getting if having any triggering feelings, and please like about you know, I 60 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:17.839 don't want anyone to feel like they have to tup through something when you know, 61 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:21.839 I'm watching our show because this is this is fucked up, is extremely 62 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:28.439 fucked up. And I'm curious what you each of you think, because because 63 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:31.759 she's Mormon, there was this assume goodness about her. You know, she's 64 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:34.959 a mommy blogger, talking about raising children, talking about being part of the 65 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.399 Mormon faith. She had a partner, And I'm curious, like, you 66 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:46.000 know, do you think that because you know this Mormon goodness, you know, 67 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.519 kind of the shield that she had, because if you listen to her 68 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:55.879 blog and the vision like she mentioned like her daughter, you know, her 69 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.800 six year old daughter, forgetting her lunch and not bringing her lunch, you 70 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:02.720 know, her lunch to school and letting her starve. You know, she's 71 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:09.439 six years old, Like I couldn't imagine doing this and there and there's little 72 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:15.279 hints of the type of behavior that she was inflicting upon her children. So 73 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:20.000 I'm curious when each of you think in regards to this religious shield that tends 74 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:26.079 to happen when people are when people when it comes to child abuse. So 75 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.800 I'm curious what you think about that. Cynthia, Oh boy, heavy, 76 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:38.680 Yeah, this is not a fun story, everybody. No, I mean, 77 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:43.000 like and to be honest with you guys, Like I was really like 78 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.160 wrestling with myself on exactly how I would approach this. I mean like, 79 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.759 I mean, I'm kind of a new mom myself, and as we speak, 80 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.680 my kid is at the door trying to get into the room while I'm 81 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:00.279 recording. Hey baby, Hey honey, how you doing all right? And 82 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.560 even though that, you know, he likes to throw his crayons and his 83 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:09.240 and his chalk on the floor, and I get really upset what he does, 84 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:13.639 and especially after I clean up and vacuum the entire living room, I 85 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.079 just make him pick it up. I'm just like, no, you made 86 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:18.439 the mess. You can you can pick it up. And when I hear 87 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:25.319 about people like Ruby Frank and her partner who is a licensed therapist, she 88 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:30.839 was licensed to actually practice therapy and psychology in Utah, I mean like even 89 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.399 though she got her BA from Brigham Young and then she got her master's in 90 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:41.199 educational psychology from the University of Utah. So this is a person who is 91 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:46.439 educated in this particular field. Yet you are observing and even participating in the 92 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:50.240 abuse. How dare you? And I really get, like Aaron just mentioned, 93 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:59.240 extremely upset when a you have parents who happen to just like leave situations 94 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:02.519 completely like I'm free, and then forget that they got six kids you know, 95 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.920 that need that still need you as a parent, you know. And 96 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:13.240 then the next person that is using their religious edicts to guide them when it 97 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:19.319 comes to raising their kids unfortunately leans very heavily on the whole verse that says, 98 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:25.399 in the heart of a child is bound foolishness, but the rod of 99 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.959 correction will drive it far from them. I believe that's a proverb. And 100 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.759 you can do all your different contextual interpretations of what the rod is, but 101 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:42.800 oftentimes it has been interpreted from different religious sex as a punitive literal rod. 102 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:48.199 And how they use that punitive literal rod often would be the regard to the 103 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:56.079 whole, to the child that has to absorb the parents' shitty ideals and shitty 104 00:07:56.120 --> 00:08:00.639 beliefs. And I feel bad for her children, definitely. I you know, 105 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.240 I'm kind of glad you guys kind of got into like, you know, 106 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:07.240 some of the things that happened to her son. I couldn't do it. 107 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.279 I was about to say, just like, guys, let's read the 108 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:13.319 article. I mean, it grows into explicit detail when it comes to like 109 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:20.160 the abuse that was suffered by her children. And I even got a chance 110 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.040 to even look up how much the channel was still making like close to like 111 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.519 two thousand dollars by a week from all the subscribers. I think that she 112 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:33.200 had over two million subscribed to her to her YouTube channel and it's still making 113 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.759 money. I think that they they finally took it down. I think you 114 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:37.960 too, finally took it down, but it you know, but up. 115 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.320 And but for the past thirty days, even while she was still under arrayment, 116 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.879 it was still making money. So this person is using her horrible prayerenting 117 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.159 advice, her shitty ass beliefs and to explort her kids and to make money 118 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.879 off. Ain't that about it? Maybe chants of what Helen brought up earlier 119 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.919 as somebody from the British Isles. So that's the United Kingdom, and there 120 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:09.519 we have had serious scandal that have dented the ability for individuals in positions of 121 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.799 authority through pieces of paper and so on, because as Cynthia says, she 122 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.240 went to BYU, she went to the University of Utah, et cetera. 123 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:24.240 And there have been enormous scandals in the UK about abuses that have taken place 124 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.480 in therapeutic settings, abuses that have taken place in public settings, abuses that 125 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.440 have taken place in the church, the Irish Church of the Catholic Church of 126 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.080 Ireland, and the laundry system that used to be in place in Ireland. 127 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.720 And for those of you who are familiar with it, Operation yew Tree. 128 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:43.279 I won't go into too much detail of it, but Operation yew Tree was 129 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:50.240 the largest police operation in the past twenty years. And those two events make 130 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:56.240 me, as somebody looking at this, very skeptical of the individual to begin 131 00:09:56.600 --> 00:10:01.759 and it shouldn't be that way that because I they've had these horrendous things happen 132 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.480 in the countries that I from, I am now skeptical of these people. 133 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.039 You should exercise critical thinking before you go and take any advice in anybody on 134 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.200 the end. Do not take what the four of us here say, what 135 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:18.000 the two people on talk he even say what the two people on eggsp say, 136 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.600 what people said on secular sexuality. Don't take that as gospel. We're 137 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:28.320 not a religion, we're not authorities just because we open our mouths and say, 138 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.399 you need to analyze what we're saying, and you need to analyze what 139 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:37.559 was being said by Ruby Frank and her business part and this is where things 140 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:43.480 have gone off the deep end with sixty second TikTok culture, shorts taking over 141 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:48.279 YouTube, and people consuming sound bites. And that's it, not the context 142 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:54.600 and the venea that's not being penetrated here. You can say what you like, 143 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.600 but that doesn't mean you've got any more authority than someone else saying something 144 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.960 different. You have to analyze and listen to what they're saying, and you 145 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.080 have to think to yourself, why am I agreeing with this person? Am 146 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:11.879 I agreeing with them because what they're saying is something that comports with my values? 147 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:16.360 Am I agreeing with them just because they've got a badge that says Look, 148 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.919 there we go. There's in society where conditioned to believe people in authority. 149 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.720 We're brought up. Police officers are there to do good, firemen are 150 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.399 there to save, doctors are there to help you. And when that breaks 151 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:33.679 down, when police officers don't do good, when firemen don't come and say, 152 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.759 when therapists and doctors do harm, it really gets to the core of 153 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:45.200 what we're taught as children, and it comes back to this religious adage thou 154 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:50.320 shalt respect thy mother and father, because that is very dangerous as a maxim 155 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.759 because it gives parents an authority that they have not earned because you've flopped out 156 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.879 of somebody's fanny and you're being raised by these people, those of you who 157 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:07.279 don't understand my Britishness. Fanny does not mean backside. And you have to 158 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:13.960 think critically before you take on face value what somebody says. Don't dismiss it 159 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.519 just because it's been said, but don't accept it without question. And this 160 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.000 is what has happened with this YouTube chap. You don't know what's behind the 161 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:28.480 four of us here, just like we didn't know what was behind Ruby Fring. 162 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:35.279 And that's what the danger of not thinking critically does. Don't think so 163 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:39.559 critically that you never believe anything in you're some sour puss that doesn't have any 164 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:46.600 fun. But exercise reasonable cause, exercise this and that, and don't turn 165 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.279 around and say, oh, yeah, that sounds good, I'll just follow 166 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.879 that, because that is dangerous. And it's not just dangerous, it creates 167 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:01.799 the mob, and we have to stop creating the mob. Yeah. When 168 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:07.039 I was in drama in high school, our drama director told us if you 169 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:11.559 forget your line or forget to forget what you're doing on stage, just act 170 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.919 like you know what you're doing and people will believe you. And that's the 171 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.840 truth. Confident people are believed, and people that are verbal people human beings, 172 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.000 we're on the spectrum. Some people are really super verbal, they can 173 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:26.919 speak really eloquently, and some people like me or on the other side where 174 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.639 they just kind of fumble over everything. And people that are really charismatic and 175 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:37.600 verbal and able to articulate themselves and be the loudest voice, they tend to 176 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.080 be believed and followed, even though maybe what they're saying isn't the brightest idea. 177 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.240 And I see this at work all the time. I'm a software engineer. 178 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.720 Usually it's the it's the people that speak, that speak the best and 179 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:52.919 the loudest that get listened to, and not the people that maybe need a 180 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.919 few minutes to go and think and think about something and then come back and 181 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:01.360 speak. So I totally agree with what you're saying the FOBE. So the 182 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:07.200 thing that you know that I'm kind of you know, pressing upon, like 183 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.320 I was. I did a podcast ear this week. We're talking about how 184 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:15.559 churches are now asking for legal protections when they are facing with sexual allegations, 185 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:20.360 lawsuits that they're trying to circumvent paying out the money that they're supposed to pay 186 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:26.200 being paid out, trying to circumvent the statue limitations, you know, so 187 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.759 on and so forth, which I find disgusting. And I'm tired of, 188 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.960 you know, religion being used as this fashion of like moral values and we 189 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.240 take care, like we were talking about earlier, like you know, we're 190 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.600 trying to protect. We're all about protecting children, are all about, you 191 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:46.519 know, being the good ones. You know, we're the good parents, 192 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.159 and so on and so forth. And I'm tired of it. I'm tired 193 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.759 because just because you prayed us a sky Daddy, and you claim that Jesus 194 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.919 is your Lord and savior, that does not save you from criticism. It 195 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:07.240 does not save you from the law. It does not save you for the 196 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:11.919 court of public opinion to think that you are a piece of shit. If 197 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:18.600 you abuse another human being, you are a piece of shit because you do. 198 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:22.120 I am a parent, and when in that by verse where he says 199 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.200 to respect thy mother and father, you need to give that respect back to 200 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.240 your child. Your child is not your property. They are a person, 201 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:35.720 and if you want them to grow up to be a decent, kind human 202 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.559 being, then you need to be a decent, kind human being. You 203 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.320 need to treat people with respect. And as Phoebe says, just because someone 204 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:50.799 says something that sounds good and it sounds reasonable doesn't mean it is. Because 205 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.799 what happens in religion is people sound reasonable and they sound like they're giving good 206 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.120 advice, and they sound like they have, you know, they have, 207 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.320 you know, more then to bring rub together. But in the background, 208 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:10.279 they're doing horrible things. And it happens over and over and over and over 209 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:17.879 and over again. Ruby Ruby Frank hand Frek not Ruby Frank Hand Frank is 210 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:23.320 an example of one person that got caught and she had enough of a public 211 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.720 image, and everybody's focusing on the fact that she's Mormon and she's a mommy 212 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:34.200 vagger. That's what they're focusing on her religion and that and that itself shows 213 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.279 that we're trying to put religious people in the special little box. You know, 214 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.919 they're special, you know, they they should be, you know, 215 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.240 free from ridical cule. And we keep talking about this on this show again. 216 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:52.039 Just because you're religious does not mean you're free from ridicule and criticism and 217 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.879 also at times hatred, because guess what, I hate this bitch. She's 218 00:16:56.879 --> 00:17:00.240 a terrible human being. I don't think thirty years is long enough. She 219 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.919 tortured her children, and you don't get a free pass for that. You 220 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.200 don't get the veneer of religion. And I'm just over this shit. I'm 221 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.960 I and I'm and I hope those kids heal. I hope they find, 222 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:17.319 you know, some way to move forward and build a life that's worth living. 223 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.200 And I'm I'm deeply sorry that that happened to them, and I and 224 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:26.039 I hope they find a way forward. I know you were right the first 225 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:32.119 time. It was Frank, not and Frank, that's okay, Okay, 226 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.200 right, I'm thinking, okay, now I think give me hair, Frank. 227 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:40.920 I am sorry, no, like this, like seriously, like this 228 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:45.519 whole story just will like put your whole head in a kerfuffle, obviously, 229 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.119 because this just so horrible and and I echo your sentimous, especially when it 230 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:52.319 comes to the children. I really do hope that they get the help that 231 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.920 they need. I hope that they actually are able to get some type of 232 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.519 assistance behavior health assistance, so that they can heal from this trauma. But 233 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.759 and I know that, like Phoebe, what you said was spot on. 234 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:08.640 I think this is a cautionary tale of looking through the fallacy of authority. 235 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:15.680 And the authority that these two women touted was I'm a Mormon, listen to 236 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:18.319 me, and I'm a mommy, and so that Mormon mommy ism makes me 237 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.480 an authority on raising children. And I have someone to co sign with, 238 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:27.079 miss Hildebrandt, because she is a mental health counselor and she is licensed to 239 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:32.119 be a therapist in the state of So that makes us authority. And I 240 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.960 don't give two shits what your titled. It's your work, not you