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are in north Yorkshire in the United
Kingdom to speak with Frank about an encounter

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he and his friend had along a
country road in the early hours of the

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morning back in the mid nineteen eighties. Frank is up next. But first,

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very much appreciated. Now on with
the show. Hello, Frank, Welcome

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to the podcast. Yes, hello, it is great to have you with

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us today. And you're calling from
North Yorkshire in the UK. Yes,

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that's correct. Now, Frank,
your experience has occurred in the nineteen eighties.

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Would you like to start in the
beginnings please, sir. Yeah,

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this is an incident that a friend
and I experienced around about nineteen eighty five.

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It was about two am in the
morning and I was the front seat

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passenger of a vehicle driven by my
friend, approximately aged nineteen twenty years of

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age. Had little money at that
time, so we had a lot of

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time on our hands, so basically
we used to go up for drives,

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so it was fairly normal for us
to go to drive to places that we

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hadn't been before. We were traveling
along a country lane somewhere in North York

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to UK. The lanes were quite
narrow twisted. There was also hedges that

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were running parallel to the road.
Due to the time of them all which

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was round about two am, there
was very little traffic on the roads and

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we had not seen another vehicle passes
for around thirty minutes. The vehicle headlights

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on high beam nearly all the time
because no street lighting, no moon in

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the sky, so it was pitch
blackness outside. The speed we were traveling

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was approximately thirty to forty miles an
hour. We were both chatting, sharing

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jokes, basically having an enjoyable,
relaxed time. It was then that a

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light so bright that it lit up
the whole of the interior of the car,

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filling it with an intense bright light. It appeared as if the car

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windows had been painted white. This
totally blocked any vision to the outside of

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the car. I remember turning my
head to look at my friend who was

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driving, and I managed to do
so, but it was as if my

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head was moving in slow motion.
The approximate time from turning my head from

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straight ahead to look at my friend, I would say, was approximately three

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to four seconds. After look at
my friend, I did turn my head

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forward again, as if in slow
motion. Then as suddenly as the light

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appeared, it was gone and we
were back on the country lane. My

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friend pulled the car over in a
lay by and we both got out the

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car and said nothing to each other
for around five minutes. This was probably

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due to us both being in a
state of shock. I eventually said to

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him, did that really happen,
to which he replied yes. So this

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incident has remained in my thoughts for
many years, and the unanswered question regarding

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what had happened the whole circumstances were
strange. A light so bright that the

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windows of the vehicle appeared to be
painted white, no apparent sound, the

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slow motion of my head. Some
of the questions to what happened to me

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and my friend, I think,
were finally answered. On the seventeenth,

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twenty eleven. I had done some
research into regression therapy and consulted with the

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reputable practitioner that is local to me. She explained the process and the ability

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to access a subconscious mind so as
to discover potentially what took place twenty five

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years ago. The following is what
was retrieved. My friend and I driving

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down the country lane, telling each
other a few jokes. Then suddenly the

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light appeared. I found myself being
lifted out of the car and upwards through

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the black night sky, passing stars. Then I find that I'm in a

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room of whiteness, so white you
cannot distinguish where the floor meets the walls.

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A deathly silence, so much so
that you could hear a pin drop.

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Although I could not see anything in
the room, I did have a

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feeling that something was there, a
sensation that I'm being watched and studied.

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I seemed to be sat down,
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a chair. The palm of my
hands placed on my knees. Then,

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approximately a foot in distance away from
me, I could see a circle appear

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on the floor. From the circle, a black figure rose out of the

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floor, possibly due to be being
seated. The figure looked very tall.

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I'm unable to make out any facial
features. It was very similar to the

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character in the Star Wars movies Darth
Vader the Unknown, feeling that the form

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was male rather than female. The
figure lifted its arms and reached out and

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placed its fingertips a couple of inches
from mine. Although I was in a

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state of shock, I was unable
to move any part of my body,

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as if I was paralyzed. I
then felt the sensation of an electric current

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coming from this creature's fingertips and entry
in mind. It then traveled through my

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body, a very strange feeling I
would describe as when someone walks over your

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grave and you get a shiver like
reaction. But this was through all my

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body. I started to panic,
and not by voice, but some kind

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of mind communication. I heard the
words stop resisting. The power that was

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coming back to my body now seemed
to be getting drained from me and back

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into the figure in front of me. I was starting to feel weak and

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wooded that whatever was being taken from
me may result in me dying. When

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all this power had been taken,
the figure sunk back into the floor and

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disappeared. I then felt myself falling
unexpectedly, just as if a trapdoor had

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been open beneath me. I was
falling like a stone through the starry black

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sky. Then suddenly back in the
car. With regards to my friend,

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and I'd just like to read out
his bearings regards to what happened. We

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were traveling about forty miles an hour
and there was no traffic around, nor

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was there any street lighting. It
was fairly dark, and as one would

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expect, nothing unusual. We had
went out for a drive. As we

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made our way home, suddenly all
the car windows went white. Not your

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usual white. This was an intense
type of white. The inside of the

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car radiated this particular whiteness. It
was all around us. I could barely

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make out Frank. He seemed to
blend in with a whiteness. This light

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was everywhere inside and out of the
vehicle. There was no noise. Everything

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was quiet. I couldn't hear the
engine noise, nor feel the tires moving

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along the road. It was silent. I remember turning to Frank, but

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could barely see him. The car
must have been moving. I certainly don't

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remember either slowly down or stopping despite
what was happening. Within a short space

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of time, possibly five to ten
seconds, maybe slightly more, everything returned

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to normal. Suddenly, the darkness
of the night appeared again. The whiteness

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had disappeared. We were back to
normal, and I was still driving at

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the same speed. It was though
I'd been driving all the time. We

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then pulled over and stopped the car. We were both a little shaken,

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possibly shocked. Nothing like this has
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We couldn't explain what had just happened. That is interesting, Frank, was

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it only yourself that had the regression
or did you both? What basically happened

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was I went through the regression?
Maybe I should have mentioned this. Actually

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I went through the regression, and
at first I was quite shocked because and

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I said to the practitioner, has
that really happened? And she said,

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well, as far as I'm concerned, yes, it has happened, but

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potentially your friend may have experienced more
than he's actually said. So she said,

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I'd like to go and see him, tell him that you've found something

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out, but don't give him any
details. Ask him if he's willing to

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get regressed. She said, if
he is willing to get regressed, and

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basically his experience is the same,
although his perceptions might be slightly different,

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she said, it has got to
have happened. So I went to see

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him and I explained, look,
I have found out something a bit more

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what happened that night through regression?
Would you be willing to be regressed?

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And he basically said to me,
look, whatever happened on that night was

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quite shocking. I don't want to
go regression. I said, are you

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one hundred percent certain? Because I
don't want to tell you and influence you

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in any way if you are wanting
to get regressed. He said one hundred

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percent. I don't want to get
regressed. So then I basically told him

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my experience, which was I would
have loved him to get regressed and to

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come back with a similar experience to
to what I what happened to me,

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because I appreciate a lot of times
these incidents, it's the individual and you've

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got the individual story. But if
you had two people with the same story,

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that would have been Wow. I
was going to say, out of

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this world. But maybe that's probably
not mess not necessarily or is it an

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appropriate term? Probably is an appropriate
term for us. It certainly would be

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interesting if he had this regression.
But also on the other side, you

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can you can understand maybe why didn't
because he's aware of something which drains and

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peculia happened. But sometimes we don't
want to know, which is kind of

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happy what we do remember and that
that's it. I mean, I do

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think to myself, you know that
I wouldn't necessarily say, before this experience,

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I was an avid science fiction or
watching documentaries about being abducted. But

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I do think to myself that that
experience, I do feel privileged to have

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had that experience, and I just
wish that he would have gone through with

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it. But I can certainly understand, you know, and I still see

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him once once a month, and
we have been friends for probably forty six

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years, and you know, probably
maybe about once a year one of us

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might mention, you know, that
experience the light, So yeah, like

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I said, I do look at
it, not in a negative way,

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but in a positive way to have
that experience, and there's always a chance

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you might listen to you on here
and he might change his mind. I

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just think that because now I've told
him my story, I've corrupted potentially his

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experience, so that so much so
that if if he was regressed and he

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does come up with a similar story, because I've already told him now,

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that validity maybe of that experiences is
in question. Of course, that's certainly

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a possibility. And the thing with
regrets, you know, people are very

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two minds about it. False memories
and exactly and all that you know,

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I do believe as its uses.
But yeah, but what from the point

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when you're in the car you've seen
this intense bright light. Now obviously that

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the thought went through your head that
this isn't like a truck headlights or anything

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like that. At which point did
you think something strange has happened? I

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think it was the fact that we've
all been driving, you know, on

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a motor ay and on the opposite
carriage waking up the wad if somebody's been

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on full beam and it dazzled you. But that dazzlement is normally straight ahead.

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The fact that one eighty, when
one eighty view of the inside of

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the car was certainly that the light
was so bright, not being able to

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see out of the windows, that
the car was lit up inside so much

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so that and I didn't mention this
actually, but when I looked at Aaron,

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the left hand side of his face
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Aaron is dark skinned, is of
Asian descent, And I just I've never

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experienced a light so intense as that. And I've been driving for you know,

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thirty plus years, easier probably thirty
five years. And yes, I've

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experienced being dazzled before many times,
but never to such an extent. And

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the other thing what puzzles me is
if you're driving thirty to forty miles an

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hour on a twisty country road and
you get somebody, you know, head

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on, blinding you, it's difficult. It'd be difficult. I would have

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to break because I'll be worried about
coming off the road. But imagine if

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you can't see out of the vehicle
full stop, how did he manage to

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keep that vehicle on the road.
I don't know. And that just makes

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me think as well. You know, thirty to forty miles an hour,

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we would have come off the road. I'm fairly certain of that. Another

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friend of mine, who I say
on a regular basis, who was very

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much into science fiction, he said, did you check your watch, because

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he said, you experience it might
have you might have felt it was ten

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seconds, but it could have been
twenty minutes. And I said, look,

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I said no, no, I
said that that was far from my

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thoughts. Necessary to looking at my
watch to see if you know, I'd

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lost time or gain time in any
way. But yeah, I did think

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to myself we were very lucky,
or were we lucky? I don't know

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that the car didn't leave the road. Very strange from the time you had

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this experience to the time you had
regression that was obviously playing over in your

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mind for all those years, not
really knowing what had happened. Yeah,

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I not to the extent, you
know, I'd lose sleep or anything.

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But it would puzzle me what happened
on that night. And you know,

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late fifties, I've experienced a lot
of things in my life, but something

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like that such a big puzzle what
has happened? And I had done some

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like research with regards to regression,
and thought to myself, well, I've

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got nothing to lose by going through
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I don't know if I mentioned to
you, but I've worked for Cleveland Police

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for twenty one years and I've never
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abducted by aliens. But I mentioned
last time there was a training seminar at

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police headquarters and there was about three
to four hundred staff there and some of

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your senior officers, and there was
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And you know, initially when you're
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people and basically turn't the person on
your right, and you know, the

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trainer said, can you find out
two things about the person sat next year?

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And the winning table gets a box
of chocolates. And so there was

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probably about twenty five tables. So
that went around people and the guy wide

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said, well, this has happened
to me. This was after the regression,

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and he said do you want me
to read this out? I said

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yeah, So you were heastood up
and said, oh, this is Frank

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and he's had an experience and he
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As you can expect, you know, the people start to laugh, and

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I knew that potentially I was leaving
myself hope to be ridiculed, and the

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train said, oh, Frank,
would you mind telling us what happened?

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So I basically gave this my story, So cutting the long story short out

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of twenty five tables and guess which
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So, and I do believe.
I think it's it's very ignorant for

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people to think, you know,
are the billions of planets out there that

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we're the only intelligent life form.
I think it's you know, I mean,

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come on, there could be somebody
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the equivalent of how we look at
ants. So I just it's down individuals.

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Nit. I'm not certain the people. Please believe me, Please believe

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me. It's up to them if
they want to believe me. I give

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my story and it's down. However, it's quite easy to dismiss things.

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It's very easy. I mean,
talking about Yorkshire, you know you had

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during the eighties, you had Alan
Godfrey, he was the police comes to

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yes, yeah, I had him
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I think it was, and he
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light moving along a road, not
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he was looking for cows. It
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bright light. But that was it. He couldn't remember, and of course

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he had the regression and these these
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back, and by him coming out, it cost his job because he was

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so outspoken. He was just basically
saying this is what happened, and obviously

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affected his career. So you can
understand why people who have had these experiences

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don't speak about it because of coworkers
and chance that they concernly affect their careers.

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Yeah, exactly. I mean I
was approached by somebody who was compiling

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a book with regards to strange experiences, and this was about fifteen years ago.

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I mean that the book didn't happen, but he said, I would

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like to include your story in the
book. And I said, well,

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would it add validity to my character
because obviously I appreciate people who are listening

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or reading about my story don't necessarily
know anything about me as such, I

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said, would it be worthwhile,
you know, including that police employee,

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and he said, oh, yes, yes, that would right. I

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said, well, I'd have to
get permission, so I emailed the chief

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officers per and a couple of weeks
later she got back to me and she

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said, yes, that's fine.
So we don't mind you knowing you've been

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included in the book and mentioning that
you're a police employee, but please don't

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mention that you work for clear from
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they well, yeah, yeah.
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certain extent because people might think this
guy's working for the police and he thinks

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he's been abducted by earliens. I
mean, is he a very rational thinker

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and blah blah blah. Is he
unhinged? But I do think to myself

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that the more people who come forward, and I do think that, as

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you mentioned, there is a lot
more people out there who had experiences.

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But the feel that you know,
if I come forward, you know I'm

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going to get ridiculed, and you
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And I just hope that by myself
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just encourages and motivates people. Well, yes, I am going to share

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my story. There is an awful
lot and I've had guests on here which

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are in professional jobs and they would
say, you know, keep my name

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out of it or share my account, but please don't use my name and

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don't say what my profession is.
And I guess I have on here come

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from all walks of life, all
backgrounds, all kinds of jobs, and

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one percent there are a lot more
police officers current and retired that I've had

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these experiences and won't go public because
of this. So but there's an awful

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live there and it's important that people
do come forward because the more people there

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are, the more it's then going
to be accepted. There's still it's getting

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better, but even now there is
still that stigma attached. Oh exactly exactly,

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and I just I do get a
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I do feel now that because I'm
not employed as such, especially in

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the policing anymore, that even more
encouraged to say, well, look this

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has happened to me, and if
to add validity to my character, my

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name that I used to work in
a policing environment, and people hopefully will

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think, you know, oh well
this does seem quite How could I put

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this normal as normal as you can
be in this crazy world? Exactly?

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Yeah, what is normal? What
is normal? Indeed? But you know,

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like I say, these these experiences
to happen to people all over the

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world. During your hypnotic session,
you saw a figure that comes out of

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a circle in the floor. Yes. Do you recall any details about him?

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There was There was absolutely no facial
features. What I could remember it

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was if it was a blank face, similar sort of shape to sort of

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like the dart Bader in Star Wars
in the sense of as if imagine you

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know, like the sort of the
silhouette of the Virgin Mary, you know,

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where she's wearing a headscarf and that
shape like a flowing sort of dress,

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type of cloak, that sort of
silhouette. I can't know. I

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can't remember any facial features at all. And the room you're in. Can

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you recall anything that you out during
the session? How you felt, how

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your body felt, how did the
room feel? The room was the room

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felt very clinical. The whiteness I
could actually I couldn't distinguish where the floor

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and the wall finished and met,
so I couldn't even gauge the size of

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this room. Although initially I couldn't
see anything, I just had that sensation

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that there was something else in the
room. And once this circle appeared in

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front of me, this figure rose
out of the circle. Certainly I was

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frightened. I can remember as if
I sat in something. I'm saying it's

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a chair, but certainly sat down, my hands on my knees, just

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feeling quite tense. I remember my
muscles were quite taut. And then of

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course this energy which came from this
creature's fingertips, which were probably about maybe

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a couple of inches away from my
fingertips, and just that figure of this

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energy going through my body. It
was a very example I gave where in

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the UK that term somebody's walked over
my grave and you get that shivering sensation

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up mainly over your back and the
top of your arms. But this was

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the whole of my body. That
sensation was the whole of my body.

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Then when it's after about i'd say
probably about five to ten seconds, it

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starts to take this energy out of
me and I'm start to feel weak,

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so much so that I can feel
myself starting to sink into this chair or

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whatever I'm sat on, thinking that
this creature has taken the life energy out

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of me, and that basse I'm
going to die. The telepathic type of

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message it sent to me a very
frightening experience at the time. Then after

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this energy you've been released. Just
imagine being sat on a chair and a

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trapdoor being open underneath you without expecting
it, that sort of force of falling

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through the sky. Then it just
links up to when you were then in

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the car again, Yes, I
remember falling through the sky, the darkness,

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stars back in the car. The
light was still in the car when

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I arrived back in the vehicle.
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my friend pulled the vehicle over.
We got out, and like I

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said, it was probably maybe four
or five minutes. We didn't say anything

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to each other because we were both
in such a state of shock. I

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know it was a while ago now, but in the days that followed this

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experience, how did you feel did
you feel any different? I felt different

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in the sense of that my sleep
pattern probably for the next couple of weeks

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was interrupted because it was such a
stocking experience. And also I think because

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I didn't feel strong enough to be
able to divulge to other people what had

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happened, so I kept things to
myself. I just think the experience itself,

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certainly with regards to our sleep pattern, had a negative effect. Location

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Where has happened? Have you ever
gone back to this area? I think

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unfortunately, because my friend and I
would the early hours of the morning,

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you know, two o'clock in the
morning, we would go out for a

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drive, not with any set destination
in mind, so we would literally just

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drive. We would end up in
different locations, you know, in North

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Yorkshire where we'd never been before.
And with regards to that location, unfortunately,

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I wouldn't be able to remember exactly
where it was, but you kind

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of have like a rough idea close
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in North Yorkshire. It was maybe
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maybe towards Helmsley, that sort of
area. And do you think this

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was possibly just a one off,
like maybe you were just in the wrong

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place at the right time. I
think so. I think so certainly nothing

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like that has happened again. I
do look at it now as not necessarily

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a negative experience, but a privileged
experience for something like that to happen.

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Why I was chosen or possibly my
friend if also he experienced exactly the same

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experience I had. Why I was
chosen randomly for this kind of experiment,

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I don't know, because there must
have been some kind of purpose behind it,

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you know, there must have been
a reason why this happened, whether

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you were being given something or it
was just simply something was taken away.

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Exactly. There must have been some
reasoning for some purpose, whether it was

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just some kind of generic study of
a human being. I haven't really noticed

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since that experience anything particularly different in
my life. I'm not sure it's interesting

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the same as a lot of these
experiences. They raise more questions and they

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certainly give you answers. Yeah,
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have considered maybe having further regression to
maybe try and find out some reasoning for

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this experience. And you know,
this experiment. Obviously, to a certain

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extent, what happened, what I've
already experienced is out of this world experience.

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I keep saying it, But it
is a possibility maybe to go through

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regression and try and find out why
this has happened. You may get a

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little bit extra or you may not. It's always difficult to tell. It

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might be what you do remember is
either O there is, or it may

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be that is all your mind would
allow you to retrieve. Well, this

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is what I've thought. You know, obviously I seem to have gained quite

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a bit more knowledge via the regression, but prior to that, I'm just

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wondering why I didn't remember extra things, such as the experience in the room.

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But I don't know if that was
just a way of my brain coping

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with things, or whether it was
intentionally removed from my conscious mind, because

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I have thought that it just seems
a bit strange. Why would I only

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have partial memory? Also, the
regression therapist, the individual you used,

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had they came across these kind of
accounts before. Yes, she had.

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I did quite a bit of research
to find somebody reputable with regards to the

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regression, and I found somebody local, and as well as doing private work,

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she also worked for the local NHS
with regards to dealing with people with

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phoebigas, So people who were frightened
of spiders, she would hypnotize them and

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obviously put positive thoughts with regards to
biders whatever they were frightened of. One

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thing I do regret actually is she
did give me the option to actually record

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the regression, and I think at
the time she didn't have any audio tapes

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left, and I wish if I'd
known that prior, i'd a tuckle on

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my own audio recording, which I
think that would have been a fantastic thing

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to have now, because obviously as
we get older, I mean I have

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my memory is fading. But the
account I gave you was I put it

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down on my laptop probably about ten
years ago because I thought to myself,

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you know, I do want to
try and retain as much of that memory

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as possible, and I can't rely
on my memory as much anymore. So

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I thought by physically typing it into
my laptop and having that record there just

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maintains that memory and the details,
et cetera. Of course, it's important

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to make the notes, to put
it down paper. Even though an experience

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like this, I think it tends
to get installed in your memory's hard drive,

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it seems to remain there. But
Frank, it's an interesting encounter,

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and if you do decide to make
maybe get more regression, let us know

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if there's any expansion on what did
happen. And I think certainly, if

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I do go ahead with further regression, I will ensure that there is a

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physical recording of it, because I
do appreciate, like like I've just mentioned,

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as time goes by, your memory
can faded and you can potentially forget

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which might seem insignificant at the time
but be quite important factors. So I

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am tire with that idea of regression. I wouldn't go back to the same

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person. I probably find somebody else
reputable. But yeah, it's certainly something

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that I would consider going through with
because the only question now, which is

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in my brain, which we already
mentioned, what was the purpose of this

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experience? What was the reasoning behind
it? And this energy which was transmitted

412
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.840
from this creature into my body?
What did this achieve? And yeah,

413
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.599
what was the reason behind it?
I said, it was definitely a purpose.

414
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:06.719
And if there's a purpose, there's
an intelligence exactly. And I think

415
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.400
if I was to find that out, probably all my questions to a certain

416
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:15.920
extent thatd be would be answered,
maybe trying to find out maybe where these

417
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:22.039
where this creature is from and why
me. Basically I presume it was just

418
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.039
a random thing. But then I
think to myself, you know, am

419
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:31.079
I overthinking? But maybe have I
been observed? Has my friend been observed

420
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.719
for a while? And it's a
case of yes, these two are quite

421
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.840
suitable. So these are going to
be our next two subjects. Definitely a

422
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.880
possibility. Two lads ripping around the
country roads of Yorkshire at two am in

423
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.599
the morning. I doubt if there
have been too many people out at that

424
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:50.159
time. Yeah, so if you're
going to do something like that, you'd

425
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.159
want it, you know where there's
an idea there's no witnesses these two young

426
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.199
lads. It might seem like,
like I said, it might seem like

427
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:01.480
the whole experience took the light editionally
probably ten maybe ten seconds but it could

428
00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:05.320
have been it could have been twenty
minutes, it could have been even an

429
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.760
hour. So to lose. If
you're going to do something like that,

430
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.239
you need to you're not going to
do it in a city center or a

431
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.519
town center where you're going to get
hundreds of people or maybe even more people

432
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.559
witnessing this blinding white light. Interesting
thing with the energy, you said this

433
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.880
figure touched your fingertips with theirs.
It didn't actually touch. It was probably

434
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.760
i would say, maybe a couple
of inches away from you know, our

435
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:36.519
fingertips touching fingertips, so it wasn't
exactly a physical touch, but just a

436
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.719
little bit of a gap between our
fingertips. And did you see this energy

437
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.119
leaving your body from your fingers or
was it more of a feeling? It

438
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:51.400
was totally a feeling. I don't
remember seeing anything either entering my fingers my

439
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.599
body from this creature or leaving,
but it's something that you actually felt was

440
00:36:54.679 --> 00:37:00.880
being taken from you. Yeah,
the sensation was, but just the whole

441
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.880
of my body was a tingling sort
of sensation and that was, you know,

442
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.119
from my head to my toes.
And was it literally started at your

443
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.400
head and then it worked its way
down. From what I remember, the

444
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.519
first sensation was actually at the fingertips, going up my arms, and then

445
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:27.159
the sensation seemed to literally head north
and south of my body from my arms.

446
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:32.039
I had seat scan. They inject
this chemical in your body. Yes,

447
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.480
yes, I've experienced it a few
times. Yes, you've got to

448
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.960
tell me about the heat, the
warming up. Yes, your body feels

449
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:45.920
as though it's warming up. The
contrast exactly, And that styed literally at

450
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.199
my head and then it went all
the way down my body. And I'd

451
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.320
never felt anything like that. Yeah, it's strange, isn't it. It's

452
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:54.840
very strange, was it kind of
in a way? Did it feel like

453
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:01.599
that? The difference probably between the
CT scan feeling and this was the CT

454
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:07.199
experiences like it feels like a warming
of your body. This experience was more

455
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:15.719
intense. This sensation was more intense, so much so, I mean I

456
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:21.400
felt at the time sat in his
chair I did, which I didn't mention.

457
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.280
I did feel as I was paralyzed, as though I couldn't move this

458
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:30.960
sensation which was transmitted from this creature
into me. If I could of,

459
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.159
I'm sure I would have stood up, because obviously I've never experienced anything that

460
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:43.079
sensation before to such an extent.
The only thing I can I can relate

461
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:47.119
to is sometimes when you get a
cold shiver, which just lasts for maybe

462
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:53.000
a couple of seconds. This was
the whole of my body. It felt

463
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.719
as if imagine if you if to
a certain extent, if your body,

464
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:01.719
if your body is being heated up, and you know when you it's like

465
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.239
in a pan, you start getting
those bubbles forming, and you know you

466
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.679
can feel that, you can see
the intensity of the boiling. It felt

467
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:15.840
like that as if you know,
I'm getting sort of a massive sensation of

468
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:21.679
tingling, and just as feelings as
though the whole of our body is starting

469
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.400
to How can I put it a
difficult thing to try and explain, but

470
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:30.880
I've experienced the ct scam at least
three or four times and that warming sensation,

471
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:36.320
which seems quite strange when they put
the contrast in. But this,

472
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.480
this was far more intense than that. Yeah, it just made me think

473
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:43.079
about that. Yeah, the chemical
they put inside you for that scan via

474
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.880
injection, there's in too much pain
to really take any notice. Yeah,

475
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:50.920
yeah, I think it's to highlight
all your your blood vessels, and it

476
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:55.400
just improves the quality I think of
the seat scam right, Okay, you

477
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.719
know, it could be something that
was completely one off, or it could

478
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:05.000
be something which the selection maybe maybe
something which is in your past, in

479
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.119
your genes is, or something which
has been experienced by other family members.

480
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.079
I mean, I just to interrupted
saying nothing else has happened to me.

481
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.840
Something else did happen to me,
but I don't necessarily relate it, But

482
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.639
I mean, I don't know.
When I was about five, I was

483
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:30.719
asleep, and I remember being woken
in the bedroom and there was a figure

484
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:36.440
in my bedroom, and it was
a glowing figure stood in the bedroom.

485
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:42.280
And strangely enough, I didn't feel
frightened by this picture. And the only

486
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:47.239
way I could describe it was similar
to sort of like the shape of you

487
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:52.199
know, the Statue of Liberty,
and with like the crown going around its

488
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.360
head thorns. And this creature was
stood in my bedroom, and I remember

489
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.440
it putting its hand out to me, giving me some kind of image of

490
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:07.800
itself, like a small representation of
itself. And then this figure left and

491
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.519
I fell asleep. Surprisingly I fell
asleep, but I fell asleep, and

492
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:17.119
then I woke up the next morning
looking for this figure, this representation it

493
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.840
gave me. And I can remember
even I mean it's got a long long

494
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.840
time ago. I can remember looking
underneath the bed. I can remember looking

495
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:31.199
underneath the mattress and I couldn't find
this figure. And I still say to

496
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:38.079
myself now, I'm probably maybe seventy
percent certain it happened, and I'm thirty

497
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:44.000
percent thinking by myself, you've had
a dream and it was so realistic that

498
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.360
you've thought to yourself, I need
to find this figure it gave to me.

499
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.079
So I suppose I have had another
strange experience. But whether it was

500
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:58.760
as such or whether it was a
dream, I'm still quite open minded about

501
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.639
that, to be honest, be
related or it could be, you know,

502
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.320
completely unrelated. And yeah, maybe
something if you do decide to get

503
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.760
regression again, maybe that is something
that you could maybe ask them to take

504
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.719
a look at. I'm always a
little bit The last time I went for

505
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.199
regression, I said, look,
I've had a strange experience, and she

506
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.800
said, right, well, I
don't want you necessarily to tell me what

507
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.559
your experience was. She said,
the process is, you know, a

508
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:28.960
form of hypnosis, and will regress
you hopefully back to that night, but

509
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.519
she said don't initially tell me anything
that had happened, which I thought was

510
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.199
quite good of her in the sense
of that, you know, she's not

511
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.880
getting any heads up with regards to
what's happened or what I'm wanting to find

512
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.639
information out about. So I'm just
thinking, if I go for regression again,

513
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.599
do you think it would be worth
while we mentioning it at all what

514
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.920
I've found out, or I should
just go in there and say, look,

515
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:57.320
I've had a strange experience. I
have been regressed before, and I've

516
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.840
found out some information, but I've
still got some questions I need answered.

517
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:05.000
Do you think that's the way to
go about it, or do you think

518
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.800
I should actually say, look,
initially, this is what I've found out.

519
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.800
I appreciate with the regression. You
know, there is a few people

520
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:15.119
who are quite skeptical about it,
and with regards to false memories and things

521
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:21.800
like that. I'm just wanting this
regression. I do have to be as

522
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.800
how could applet it as honest and
legitimate as possible if you look at the

523
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:30.559
fact that you'll be using a different
regression therapist. So really what it is

524
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:36.000
is it's to put your own mind
at rest to know that these memories that

525
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:40.079
came out in your previous regression are
going to be true to what happened me

526
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.960
personally, I would say, don't
tell them anything. And obviously you're going

527
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:51.400
to be going to someone which has
experience of these sessions, so I would

528
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.000
just do what you did before you
knew what kind of happened. Yeah,

529
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:59.000
and do it that way. Right
when you bring out the memory of little

530
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.079
figurine and figure in your room when
you're five, I mean, you've got

531
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:06.599
enough information there just to say five
years old, the nights and it happened.

532
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.320
You're all charged home, So that's
enough. And if there is anything

533
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.880
there, something may come out.
But of course the less information you tell

534
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.800
them the better. Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that would certainly be the

535
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.719
I think the most sensible way of
doing things, And certainly if there was

536
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.239
an option, which the problem would
be to record the regression, because I

537
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:30.840
think if you it's one thing me
saying I was sat in the chair and

538
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.920
I was upset or I was wooded
concerned, but if you can actually hear

539
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:42.519
it in somebody's voice, that genuine
fear, I just think it just adds

540
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.280
so much more to the validity to
a certain extent of the experience. I

541
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:52.400
do have regrets with the guards to
not getting the recording of the first experience,

542
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.000
but I do think, you know, I'm getting older, and you

543
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:00.960
know, my health is it's stable
at the moment, but not fantastic.

544
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:05.119
So it just it makes me think, you know that like getting this podcast

545
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.639
done, getting probably further regression done
while I'm still healthy enough to get it

546
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:15.840
done, and sharing as much as
I can really with regards to my experience,

547
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:21.079
and hopefully, like I said,
encouraging others to come forward. You

548
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.000
know, at least one episode I
do put I encourage, it does encourage

549
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.559
at least one person. Sometimes an
episode can encourage so many people what the

550
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.760
show's about. You know, this
is what I wanted. Even if one

551
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:36.679
person listens and it helps them in
any way, even if it's just giving

552
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.360
them a nice relaxing dog walk for
an hour exactly, But people do benefit.

553
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:45.800
And I think also that the people
who don't necessarily actively contribute as such,

554
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.920
but they'll listen to stories and it
just probably you know, that they

555
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.400
might want to share their experience,
but it probably just reassures them. Look,

556
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.079
I'm not on my own here.
Other people have experienced very similar things,

557
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:07.000
and you know, those people might
be just content with that thought of

558
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.320
there's lots of other people out there
a very similar situation that may just probably

559
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.599
gives them a little bit of reassurance
that I mean, some people might think,

560
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.159
you know, I'm going crazy here. And that's the most common thing

561
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:22.239
people right in the subject bar of
emails is You're going to think I'm crazy.

562
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.760
Yeah, even if someone's had these
experience and they've never shared in their

563
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.760
immediate circle total of ferriends, even
if they know that there's other people out

564
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:32.840
there which have had it, then
yeah, they feel less less alone.

565
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.360
Exactly. You're sharing that experience,
your thoughts with a bit potentially. I

566
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.519
mean, obviously you're open to the
world Wide Web, you talk about potentially

567
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.599
millions of people. But I just
think the more people have come forward,

568
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.519
I don't want the necessarily because it's
a totally different thing to a certain extent,

569
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.360
conspiracy theories and the government trying to
suppress things. The more people have

570
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.280
come forward, the better, I
agree, the more than MARYA. Frank

571
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.159
Exactly, Frank, I really appreciate
you coming on sharing that for our listeners

572
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.599
from the tone Take care and I
look forward to hearing from you, and

573
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.400
if I do go through with a
further aggression, I'll certainly back in touch.

574
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.440
Please do, Frank, please do, and then we can have a

575
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.320
nice update. Okay, Frank,
you enjoyed the rest of your day and

576
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.400
I will be in touch. Okay
to take care, Okay, take care,

577
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:22.199
Frank. That is all for today. Keep update and connected with the

578
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.840
show on x Facebook and Instagram.
And if you have an encounter that you'd

579
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.599
like to share on the podcast,
you can email me at UFO Chronicles at

580
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.840
gmail dot com, or you can
reach out to me via the contact page

581
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:40.000
on my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot
com. A big fanger of Frank for

582
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.760
sharing tonight and thank you all for
listening. I will be back next week.

583
00:47:45.360 --> 00:48:16.599
Till then, stay safe, keep
watching the skies. Goodbye, s