WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.040 --> 00:00:06.960 Hey everyone, and welcome to this special edition of Parenting Beyond the Headlines. 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.519 I'm Sarah Cody, now Amy Alamar and I have decided to re release some 3 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:16.960 of our favorite episodes from the past during this difficult time of the pandemic, 4 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:22.559 just in case you are taking more walks and listening to more podcasts, or 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:28.679 in case you're on a precipice changing your life once this pandemic clears up and 6 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:33.679 we return a bit to normal, which we hope is happening with the spread 7 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:38.399 of the vaccine. That's the reason why I wanted to share this episode from 8 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:43.960 twenty nineteen. It features author Sarah Bliss. She wrote the book Take the 9 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:49.240 Leap, Change your Career, Change your Life. She gives some great advice, 10 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.920 and you know, there's been a real conversation lately about the pandemic taking 11 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:58.320 a hit on women, particularly who had to leave their jobs, who had 12 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:02.439 to leave the workforce, to teach from home, to juggle all the different 13 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:07.280 things that the pandemic has put upon us. So I'm thinking maybe some of 14 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:12.640 you are going to re emerge this summer this fall with some new direction, 15 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:19.599 pursuing some new dreams. So hopefully this podcast will help be well and thanks 16 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:27.159 for listening. Hi, Welcome to Parenting Beyond the Headlines. I'm doctor Amy 17 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:33.159 Alamar. I'm an educational consultant and author, and I'm looking at the news 18 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:37.319 and how to apply educational practices to talking about the news with your kids with 19 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.959 my very dear friend and colleague, Sarah Cody, and news is something I 20 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.519 know about. I'm a news reporter with the ABC affiliate here in Connecticut. 21 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.359 I've also written for magazines and newspapers, always with kind of a kind of 22 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.680 a focus on family issues. So we're excited that you're joining us here today. 23 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.400 And we have sort of a fun topic, right, Amy, Yeah, 24 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.200 a very personal topic. Yeah. We like to take an article and 25 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.480 sort of jump off of the headlines, as we told you. And there 26 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:10.680 was an article recently in Forbes magazine titled Moms twenty eighteen is your Year to 27 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.680 get hired. So, you know, many moms stay home for a while 28 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:20.840 and find themselves struggling a bit when they go back to work, Yeah, 29 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.800 or adapt while home right with baby and trying to make two things work right. 30 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.919 Yeah, And according to this article, studies show seventy four percent of 31 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:35.520 professional women rejoin the workforce after taking time off to have families, and we 32 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.039 were reading that Sutton Foster, who we all love, just went back to 33 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.759 work after having baby. Yes, yes, it's so complicated. We both 34 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.759 know from personal experience, and sometimes that requires a reinvention of self, sort 35 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.439 of a revisioning of who you are, because what you might have left in 36 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.280 the workforce might look different. And so today we're excited to be joined by 37 00:02:55.319 --> 00:03:00.080 Sarah Bliss and she is an author of Take the Leap, Change your career, 38 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:05.400 Change your Life. So Sarah, welcome and please help us, help 39 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.960 us leap. Well, thank you so much for having me, guys. 40 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.240 I'm so psyched to be on talking to you guys about this topic. I 41 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:20.000 feel like it's you know, the interesting thing about having a baby and you 42 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:24.159 know, going back to work is it's actually an opportunity to reinvent yourself. 43 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.879 It really is. I mean you don't you can use it, use that 44 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:34.560 time off as like a reset and a time to reevaluate what you want in 45 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:39.159 your career and maybe consider trying a new one. So you're going to take 46 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:45.639 a leap was literally just published very recently, and tell us about it. 47 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:50.280 You focus on these inspirational stories of how to, you know, not to 48 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.560 be afraid, how to make a change exactly, And it's the time of 49 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.319 year where we're all thinking about that with the new year, so it's it's 50 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.520 great timing. But so so, as you know, Sarah, I have 51 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:06.800 written profiles for about twenty years, and I've interviewed some of the most fascinating 52 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:12.240 people. And one of the things I learned early on was that a lot 53 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:16.759 of really successful people had these whole other lives and careers before they found their 54 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:21.399 groove. And I've always thought that that's really inspiring and something that a lot 55 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:26.279 of people don't realize. I think we kind of buy into this idea that 56 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.160 so many successful people knew what they wanted to do when they were six and 57 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.519 you know, or in college and just kind of kept on a straight path. 58 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:39.279 But I don't think success actually works that way, and I have proof 59 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:44.759 that it doesn't. So I featured sixty three people who have made these really 60 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.600 inspiring changes, and I actually have a lot of moms in the book who 61 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:56.000 used the gap to reinvent and shift cares. I know you told me once 62 00:04:56.040 --> 00:05:00.639 before in terms of how to do it, look to others for inspiration and 63 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.319 ask questions. Yes, Actually, I think the best thing you can do. 64 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:06.800 And I think sometimes when you're making a change, it can just seem 65 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:12.079 so overwhelming, or maybe like this idea that you have that's just like a 66 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.000 cool idea, but like, how is it ever going to be possible? 67 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.519 And I really think the first step is finding someone who has made the change 68 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:24.079 that you want to make. That is will be really helpful because those are 69 00:05:24.079 --> 00:05:28.199 the people that will really tell you what the hurdles are, what to watch 70 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.480 out for, and how they accomplished their goal, and that will help you 71 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:36.279 with forging your own path. And I one of the things you said is 72 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.240 don't be afraid. And I know that I've heard expert advice. You know, 73 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.879 I'm parenting. Don't parent out of fear, parent out of hope. 74 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.120 Do you have strategies or mantras or using the examples? How are you not 75 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:51.439 afraid? Well, I mean, I honestly think a lot of confidence comes 76 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:58.240 when you think that something is realistic and attainable, and then you start kind 77 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.360 of doing those small baby steps to get there. I think you really have 78 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.199 to do the work. You know, there's a woman in the book whom 79 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:10.560 I had to write some amazing advice. Her name is Jennifer Gefsky, and 80 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.720 she has a firm called up Prey and it actually helps moms get back in 81 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.759 the workforce after a parenting gap. And one of her best pieces of advice 82 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:26.000 was to, you know, make sure that you have the relevant skills, 83 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.480 that you keep up on relevant skills whether you want to go back in the 84 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.240 same career or you want to try a new one. So there's a lot 85 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:38.439 of work that you can be doing that's actually going to help you get a 86 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:43.480 job and look better to employers. And one of the things are you taking 87 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:48.360 an online class, doing some research, getting certified. I mean, I 88 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:54.160 know people who tap themselves how to code, or applied for small business loans 89 00:06:54.279 --> 00:07:00.279 or or pilot programs or accelerator programs for new businesses. But there it's like 90 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:05.120 a lot of different small steps that you can take so that you are really 91 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:09.439 really ready. And I think the more the more you prepare yourself, the 92 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:13.279 more confident you're going to be when you are ready to make that jump. 93 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.000 And also you're never really going to be ready. I mean there's especially once 94 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.920 you have kids, right if you're waiting for that moment where nobody needs you 95 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.439 and your kids are totally fine. Well, you're never going to get out 96 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:27.800 the door. That's a good point to make. We can convince ourselves. 97 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.240 You and I have talked about this before. Maybe we should just get it 98 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.000 out of the way. Sarah and I went to Trinity College and Harvard together. 99 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:38.319 We're friends. I'm so proud of this new book and the success you're 100 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:43.720 finding with it. Sarah, and we've talked before about how you know, 101 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:47.680 you can convince yourself almost any negative thing you want. That inner voice in 102 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:51.360 your head can be negative. You know, you can talk yourself out of 103 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.560 anything. But you've got to kind of change the mindset to take a leap, 104 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.519 right You got to think that you can and look to other people for 105 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:03.680 that oration. And maybe that's another strategy from avoiding the fear, getting away 106 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.600 from the fear is seeing the positive in the hope, right, yeah. 107 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.720 Yeah, And I also think surrounding yourself with people who kind of believe in 108 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.800 your vision or having the courage to kind of tune out the ones that don't. 109 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.360 I mean, everyone that makes these leaps, these leaps are not easy. 110 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.000 Everyone that makes these leaps has a very unshakable belief that they can do 111 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.720 it, and they also expect it's going to be bumpy. They expect the 112 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:35.279 hurdles because they just that's life. There's no I think sometimes if you're not 113 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.720 confident, you can see an obstacle and think, oh, gosh, this 114 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:43.679 wasn't meant to be. I mean, I interviewed a couple who decided to 115 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:48.399 open a restaurant in the Caribbean. They had had one in Pennsylvania. They 116 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:54.559 found a great spot, but it took them three years to sell their former 117 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.200 restaurant. One of the buyers actually ended up dying. I mean, there 118 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.720 was a lot of different things that weren't working by the time they sold it. 119 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.159 They went back down and the restaurant owners said, oh, you know 120 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.320 what, we decided we don't want to sell. And then they said, 121 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:13.159 all right, well we'll lease it too. So there were a lot of 122 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.000 bumps and a lot of times where they both could have turned to each other 123 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.600 and said, you know what, the stars aren't aligned, this isn't meant 124 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.039 to be. The signs are saying that this isn't going to work. But 125 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.279 they didn't think that way. Instead, they were like, you know what, 126 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.919 this is what we want. This is the goal. We're going for 127 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.559 and we just need to be patient and do everything we can to make it 128 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.559 happen. And now they live this amazing life in Anguilla running veyaut which is 129 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.799 one of the most popular restaurants on the island, and they're very happy and 130 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.919 their kids are in school there. They brought their whole family. So you 131 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:48.440 could certainly argue that the bumps make you stronger and wiser and you know, 132 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:54.360 more resilient. I think so definitely. And I think when you accept that 133 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:58.840 they're inevitable and that it's not going to be easy, then you're better off. 134 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:05.960 Um you know, especially with with kids. Um, every there's such 135 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.559 unpredictability. I mean, you can be on a high in your career and 136 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.600 doing really well and then you you've got to leave in the middle of a 137 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.919 meeting because you're your kid is sick or needs you, or the night that 138 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:20.279 you're supposed to be preparing for something, your child, you know, had 139 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.519 an incident with a bully and they need your full attention. So it's it's 140 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.799 just never it's never easy, and you really can never give your attention wholly 141 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.440 to to one thing or another. And and and when you accept that and 142 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.200 that there's it's you're imperfect and it's not going to be perfect, then then 143 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.600 I think you're more set up to do well. Such good advice, and 144 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.559 I like when you're referencing specific stories here it is the mom who was a 145 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:52.279 hairstylist or she is still a hairstyle as I believe, and she actually chased 146 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:58.879 an entirely new UH side career. Tell us about Nicole. Nicole Ltera is 147 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:03.600 amazing. She has a hair salon in Cromwell, Connecticut called the Hair Zone. 148 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:09.440 She grew up in a family that everyone was Her mom had a business, 149 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.080 so she said, I was born to do hair. It never occurred 150 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:15.279 to her to do anything else, and she loves her job. She loves 151 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.600 making people happy and the confidence that comes with that. But then she also 152 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.519 is someone that always wants to help people and found herself in a lot of 153 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:30.840 scenarios where people were having accidents or getting hurt and she always was the one 154 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.559 running to help them, where other people would kind of look on helplessly. 155 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:39.320 But she wanted to have even more skills, so she decided to become an 156 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.200 EMT. She said, I want to be the person that's there for someone 157 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.120 when they need it the most. And she did that when she had one 158 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.159 child. She did it around her work schedule and her on the weekend, 159 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.360 so at night and on the weekends. And then a couple of years later, 160 00:11:56.559 --> 00:12:01.440 after being at the scene of all these different fires, she thought, 161 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.000 you know what, I want to be the one running into the burning building. 162 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.159 I want to do more. And when her twins were four months old, 163 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.440 she went to school at night to become a firefighter. And she looks 164 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.279 back and she's like, I don't know how I did that. That was 165 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:20.120 totally crazy. But I think she had this this sense that she knew that 166 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.080 she wanted to do something, you know, in addition to being a mom, 167 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.919 and that being a mom didn't need to hold her back. And I 168 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:33.080 also think she wanted something that was just her own. And she loves the 169 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.399 example that it gives her kids that you can be a mom and you know, 170 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:41.399 be really brave and that you can do anything you want. And she's 171 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.720 she's thrilled with kind of the messaging that that sends to her kids and also 172 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.240 the confidence that it gives her. And I think that's such a crucial point 173 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:52.240 that you can't be everything, and you shouldn't be everything. So what can 174 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.320 you be that you are proud of? Right? Yeah, But I also 175 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:58.360 love to show your kids the way with this, show them you can take 176 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.919 risks, you can fall in your face, so you can get back up 177 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:03.960 again. That's right. And you know, Sarah, when we were talking 178 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.879 about this podcast, Amy and I we both kind of laughed and said, 179 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.519 we've we've reinvented ourselves before. And isn't that why you got to do sometimes? 180 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.720 And this is very personal to you because you consider yourself someone who hustles 181 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:18.679 to move from A to B to C to D and continue your career. 182 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:24.320 Tell us about you a little bit. So I started in the art world 183 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.240 right after college simply because I kind of I'd always want to go into magazines, 184 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:33.279 but I couldn't get a job in magazines. And I was an art 185 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.399 history major and I was able to look at a job there. And then 186 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.440 I tried to actually make the switch into magazines and it was really hard, 187 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:41.320 even as an assistant, and I had to go back to school and I 188 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.080 took a class at NYU at night, and all of a sudden, the 189 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:54.360 career HR people were calling me because I had something that showed effort and relevance, 190 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.559 and I was getting published in small papers, so I was able to 191 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.919 get in the way, and I just thought I'd be in magazines for the 192 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:07.000 rest of my life. But the magazine industry changed and I became a freelancer, 193 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:11.879 and after two thousand and eight, a lot of magazines folded, and 194 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.759 then the magazines that stayed in print suddenly wanted to pay half of what their 195 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.879 rates rates were, So I had to reinvent myself and create a whole branding 196 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.879 side of my business. I do pr I can solve for brands. I 197 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.080 do online content for them, I do in house magazines. I write speeches 198 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:37.279 for CEOs, and then I started ghostwriting books for high profile people like Bobby 199 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:46.200 Brown and Aaron Lauder. And after ten years of ghostwriting and having this idea 200 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:50.919 for this book all those years, I decided that I needed to reinvent myself 201 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.799 again and get myself back on a book cover and get this idea out in 202 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.799 the world. And so I'm so thrilled that Take Leap is finally out after 203 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.879 all, let's time and what are you finding? What's what's the reception, 204 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:07.559 Ben Sin? Since the book hits shelves, it's been so positive and one 205 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.759 of the things is. I just think it's really timely. I mean, 206 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:16.399 industries are shifting, people are having to reinvent themselves sometimes even if they don't 207 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:22.159 want to. The Internet has actually changed everything. It's changing the whole entire 208 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:28.440 careers. But the great thing is the Internet actually also makes these kinds of 209 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.639 leaps possible, and that's one of the things you'll see in the book. 210 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:37.200 I mean, there are people starting businesses in their living rooms. There are 211 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:43.279 moms who are able to start be entrepreneurs because they have this social media reach, 212 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159 or you know, there's so many businesses that you can set up on 213 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.600 these great platforms. If you're an artist or a crafter, I mean you 214 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.759 have Etsy. I mean we didn't have that twenty years ago. You could 215 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:58.440 you know, if you were an artist and that was just your hobby. 216 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.759 Well now you can actually monetize your hobby. So there are all these really 217 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.240 exciting opportunities that are happening right now, and I think people are really starting 218 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:11.399 to take advantage of it. So the reception from the book has generally been 219 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.159 like, oh my gosh, I want to do that, I want to 220 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.440 take a leap, or I know someone who needs this. That has been 221 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:19.919 the most common reaction. So as we begin to wind down a little bit 222 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.639 here leave us with a couple of really key points of what the mindset should 223 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:29.559 be. If you want to take a leap, don't be afraid seems to 224 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:33.080 be number one, right, Well, you'll have to get comfortable with risk, 225 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:37.279 you really do. I mean, I think if you're waiting to feel 226 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.399 like to know that this is whatever your leap is is going to work, 227 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.039 and know with one hundred percent certainty that it's going to be successful, you're 228 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:49.159 never going to get that. You're just you're just gonna end up sitting on 229 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.480 the idea and watching someone else do it and wish that you had had put 230 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:57.759 it out there. So the first thing is you have to get comfortable with 231 00:16:57.879 --> 00:17:03.599 risk and the fact that there is failure as possible. But honestly, if 232 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:07.880 you are really, really determined and you kind of do the work and you 233 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:14.200 prep and you get yourself educated or find a mentor and get ready, I 234 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.039 think that anything is possible. So the first thing really is that is that 235 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.039 comfort, that comfort with risk, And then the second thing is going for 236 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.079 it. And then the third thing is really expecting the hurdles and the bumps 237 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.839 and being okay with them and knowing that it's part of the process. Even 238 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.519 a dream job, as you know, Cody, even a dream job is 239 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:41.599 not without stress or problems. I mean everything, everything has has its ups 240 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:48.680 and downs. So just going for that career you really want is really I 241 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.319 think. I think the way to start finding a mentor I think is great 242 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.079 advice too. It makes it seem a little bit less lonely, it makes 243 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.400 it, it gives it a little bit of a structure. Well, thank 244 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.279 you, Sarah, it's been delightful to tell to you in this forum. 245 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.279 We really appreciate you taking part in our podcast. Tell us where we can 246 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.759 find your book, give us your website address, and where folks can find 247 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:15.680 your book. So Take the Leap is available at Amazon dot com and also 248 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:21.640 IndieBound dot com, which we'll direct you to your local indie bookstore that has 249 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:25.519 Take the Leap for you to buy. Fantastic. Thank you so much for 250 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:30.000 joining us today, and thank you listener. We are so appreciative of you 251 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:33.720 listening in and please send us any feedback you have or topic ideas and we'll 252 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.680 see you next time. Thank you so much for listening. Talk soon.