1 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:21,839 What is a fellow thermonuclear a efforts. I am damn PA Valley coming at 2 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:27,519 you with another one question episode before we get into the one question, and 3 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,440 I'll probably release a couple of these this week just because there have been some 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,479 things I've been banning about my brain that I was thinking about, especially when 5 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,359 I was traveling and doing some work. But before we get started, please 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,799 my usual plead to subscribe to us wherever you're consuming us. If this is 7 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,719 your first time checking us out on YouTube, hit that subscribe button, hit 8 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,479 the like button, comment, help us bust up the algorithm, help us 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,759 drive up our subscriber account. That would mean the world to me. 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Remember to join our discords. A link to that is in the 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,760 description on YouTube and both the podcasts, and follow us on all the socials. 21 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,239 They are up on the screen on YouTube, or you can find them 22 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,359 in the podcast and YouTube descriptions. With all of that out of the way, 23 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:38,120 we get to my question, which and this is I think it's been 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,239 broached indirectly a few times even on this podcast, but the question is should 25 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:45,959 the Toronto Raptors get involved in the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes. Two things sort of 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,400 spurred me to consider this, and that's one, Kevin Durant agreeing to remain 27 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:53,480 in Brooklyn, at least for the foreseeable future. We know all that can 28 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,079 change and that will factor into this, but just the fact that now teams 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,000 like the Raptors, they heat and the Suns should be looking at contingencies or 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,799 other avenues if they were at all linked to the Kevin Durant sweep stakes. 31 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:08,319 And then also Mark Stein, in his latest report on Substack had mentioned that 32 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,520 the you know, the Lakers aren't going to get involved in whatever Donovan Mitchell 33 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,919 deal there is, regardless of which team it is, whether it's the Knicks 34 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,719 or if there's a dark horse. And the fact that you mentioned a dark 35 00:02:19,719 --> 00:02:22,240 horse sort of made me wonder, well, is there even a potential for 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 anyone to come in and actually, let's talk about not if the Knicks bow 37 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:27,199 out, because they're not going to bow out of this sweep stakes, but 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,520 is there a team that can come in and actually beat the Knicks offer? 39 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,800 And I was trying to think of them. I'm going a few sprang to 40 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:36,000 mind, but you know, you talk about them, and there's New Orleans 41 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,919 might be able to do it. But why why would they? Okac is 42 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,639 too hard to match salaries, and they have even less of an incentive to 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,360 do that following the chet Homegren injury, which will cover in further detail on 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,280 this podcast as well. So the Raptors sprang to mind here. They have 45 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:52,280 all of their own draft picks except for a twenty twenty four second to the 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Memphis Grizzlies, and they also have they have to get into a round twenty 47 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,520 three point two eight around twenty three point point three million dollars. Excuse me 48 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,439 to bring back Dono Mitchell, which is very easy for them to do when 49 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:07,039 you look at some of their contracts and they have different amities, they can 50 00:03:07,039 --> 00:03:09,520 go to explore a trade package for Donovan Mitchell. I think the first question 51 00:03:09,599 --> 00:03:13,840 is should they even be interested in Donovan Mitchell. He's a sixth one guard. 52 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,719 They already have that in Fred van Fleet. I guess in theory you 53 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:21,039 can involve Fred van Fleet in the trade talks. In that scenario, he's 54 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:23,360 entering his age twenty eight season, and he's also going to be a free 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,319 agency and you're probably looking at sending him to another team that would then need 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,680 to send Utah stuff. You also need the Raptors to believe that Mitchell's enough 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,719 of an upgrade to sort of swap those two out, because you're not trading 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,159 van Fleet straight up. I also think that they could just play together because 59 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:39,039 of how good Fred van Fleet is defensively, and I think that Donovan Mitchell 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,960 can be better there too. They have enough size and length also on the 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,080 rest of the floor at the rest of the positions, to where it shouldn't 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 be a huge issue. However, I've received a bunch of pushback, mainly 63 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:52,759 on YouTube, saying that I didn't watch enough of the Raptors, especially during 64 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,439 the second half of the season, because I'm concerned about their half court offense. 65 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:00,000 If you disagree, that's fine, but it's okay to have concerns about 66 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,840 your own team. And there were people spewing things off that the Raptors half 67 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:06,400 court offense improved a great deal over the course of the season. I didn't 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,800 really see enough of it. There are points where their offense improved, but 69 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:14,759 a lot of their most efficient offense was being generated on the break, which 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,560 is great, that's fine, or on second chance opportunities in the half court, 71 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,680 and you can't live and die by those in the playoffs. And when 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,160 I look at this roster, do I think that it can be really good 73 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:26,959 on offense. I absolutely do. I'm a big believer in Scotty Barnes. 74 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,600 But when you also kind of look at the complexion of a roster, they 75 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:34,879 don't have that sort of quick fire off the dribble shot maker at I would 76 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,680 say you want them at two of the three levels. It'd be great if 77 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,639 they can get to the basket a ton, but sort of from the mid 78 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,680 range and three point and from beyond the arc. That's not Pascal Siakam's game, 79 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,920 like even his pull ups like these are not just super quick. You're 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,199 looking at Scotty Barnes. I think there's potential there. I need to see 81 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,720 his game speed up a ton with the ball in his hands, and even 82 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,120 that would sort of run countered as some of the shots that he did take 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,519 that he self created last season. You do have Fred van Fleet, but 84 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:01,920 that's all never been his game. Like. This is someone who operates really 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,360 well off movement, off catching shoot opportunities. Yeah, he has added more 86 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:10,160 off the dribble scoring to his rapport, even at every level, I would 87 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:13,800 argue, but he's not the most efficient when it comes to that department. 88 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:15,959 And you look at the Raptors, they ranked in the bottom four of pull 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,519 up efficiency pull up jumper efficiency last season. You even split that look after 90 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:23,680 the All Star break, they're still hovering around the bottom four an effective field 91 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,959 goal percentage. And they did take those shots. Again, they were different 92 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,040 kinds of pull ups I would call them. They feel like more methodical than 93 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:33,839 a lot of other teams. And I'm talking about more of the provisational speed 94 00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:38,319 is basically what I'm looking for, or someone like a Kawhi Leonard like they 95 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:42,519 have, and you sort of go through the past few champions and like teams 96 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,920 needed that type of player or an additional type of player to get to that 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,800 level. The Warriors, we know that they have Steph Curry, the Raptors, 98 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,480 when they had Kawhi Leonard, the Lakers they had not only Lebron James, 99 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:56,480 but like the version of Anthony Davis that was that was Kevin Durant. 100 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:00,920 So I do think it's important. I'm not saying that it's must include, 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,600 but if you are the Raptors and even looked with the Calves when they went 102 00:06:03,639 --> 00:06:08,040 having Lebron and Kyrie Irvings, you can go through the list like that. 103 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:11,240 Even like when the Bucks won, Drew Holiday getting them over the top made 104 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,319 so much sense because he could operate in that capacity more so than Janas sort 105 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,519 of on the same level as a Chris Middleton. And so while neither of 106 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,079 them, although Drew shot the hell out of the ball on step back threes 107 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,720 this year, by the way, although neither of those two Middleton and Drew 108 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,079 Holiday are going to fall into like the Kyrie Irving category or the Kawhi Leonard 109 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:30,480 category, like that is stuff they can do Chris Middleton has his mid range 110 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:32,680 game, and Drew Holiday does have an off the dribble jumper of which to 111 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,279 speak at at an accelerated speed, and that's what I'm looking for for the 112 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Raptors. And so if I was Toronto, I absolutely, abolutely would kick 113 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:43,560 the tires on a Donovan Mitchell trade. You have them under contract for three 114 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:46,319 years. Messier Jerry has been known to take risks, and I do think 115 00:06:46,319 --> 00:06:50,279 this is an instance where you're not getting into Scottie Barnes permutations like that's he 116 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,839 was off the table and Durant talks. We know that, but Donovan Mitchell, 117 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:58,759 the Jazz do not have the leverage to ask for Scotty Barnes, and 118 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,000 knowing the packages that have been rumored with New York, they don't. The 119 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,399 fact that New York doesn't have the blue chip prospect to send back where the 120 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,079 Jazz can point him and say, hey, that's who we're gonna build around. 121 00:07:08,199 --> 00:07:11,920 That only sort of helps other teams flesh out their best offers because you're 122 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:16,680 operating under the pretense that the Jazz are okay on some level taking a package 123 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,079 that is primarily pick based, where yeah, it'd be cool to get some 124 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:25,879 complimentary youngsters Obi Toppin, Emmanuel Quickly, maybe Quentin Grimes. And if you 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 want to equip and say R. J. Barrett's a blue chip prospect, 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,639 that's fine, but he's extension eligible right now. And I don't think that 127 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,439 we've seen anything. You know, when I'm talking about a blue ship prospect, 128 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,959 someone who profiles is better as the third or fourth best player on a 129 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,480 championship team. I don't think we can point at our Jay and say that 130 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,360 he's shown enough to loop him into that category. Where can he be you 131 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:46,879 know, definitely be the third best player in championship team, but more to 132 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,360 the point, you know, the first or second best player on a ton 133 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:53,399 of contender. And you're not necessarily looking to get those guys in trades because 134 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,680 if you think you have that guy, teams don't tend to move him, 135 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,600 even in instances like this, unless they're already a finished championship product, which 136 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:05,160 the Knicks are not. So I do think New York's offer can be beat, 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,759 especially the ones that have been rumored. We hear five first rounders and 138 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,959 it's like, oh my god, five first round picks. Yeah, that's 139 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:11,040 a lot. As of right now, we know that the Knicks have only 140 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,560 agreed to include up to two of their own unprotected first rounders, And so 141 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,199 now you're getting into the Detroit pick, the Washington pick, the Mavericks pick 142 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,120 Detroit and Washington. Those are protected until Kingdom come. They could convey in 143 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,000 the lottery, but it might take a while and it's never going to be 144 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,639 higher. I think the most loosely protected of them falls to eighth, and 145 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,200 then the Mavericks pick is top ten protected this season. You have that Bucks 146 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,200 pick in twenty twenty five, that's top four protected. Do you really think 147 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,320 the Bucks are gonna suck in twenty twenty five when they have Jannis? And 148 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,559 so, yes, the Knicks can come over the top and say here are 149 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,120 four and protected first round picks and three swaps and just be done with it 150 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,519 if they wanted to. They haven't done that yet, and maybe a team 151 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,679 like the Raptors could come in and force them to do that, But I 152 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,559 don't think it's moot to say that the Raptors could rival the offer. And 153 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,480 so what do you start with there? And I think you have to aside 154 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,360 one, Scotty Barnes is off the table, and two I'm probably taking Siakam 155 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,039 off the table as well, just because I don't I don't think you need 156 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,919 him. I don't think the Jazz want him. Another player is extension eligible. 157 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,720 They're not trying to go the Brooklyn route when they were shopping Kevin Durant. 158 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,919 They're not looking to win immediately. They are entering the Scoot Henderson and 159 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,279 Victor Windam Yama sweepstakes. That's that's just very cleared. If you're not seeing 160 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:24,720 that, I mean the players they got back in the Rudy Gobert deal, 161 00:09:24,759 --> 00:09:26,759 it was nothing with Yeah, there were players with immediate value, but they 162 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:31,559 already moved Patrick Beverley and it was they took picks and they I guess the 163 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:35,200 one not even blue shit prospect, but like the one young player and I'm 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,399 sorry, Jared Vanderbilt doesn't count for this discussion. That you could have said, 165 00:09:39,399 --> 00:09:41,120 oh, they want that tangible building block, it would have been Jay 166 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:46,840 McDaniels and he was not included in trade talks. They've clearly prioritized picks. 167 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:48,039 Even if you figure out, you know, depending on how you feel about 168 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:52,440 Walker Kessler as well, I think that opens the door for Toronto because you 169 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,639 have sort of what could be a mix and where you've if you wanted though 170 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,960 to include Siakam or Fred van Fleet or even though Gianna Nobi makes it easier 171 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,799 to suss out third teams then because you just want them to send Toronto picks, 172 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Do I Utah picks? Excuse me? Do I think that you could 173 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:13,720 get two to three first round picks for a Siakamer van Fleet? Two for 174 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,919 sure? Three is more complicated. It definitely depends on the team. You 175 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:22,559 know, would Memphis come in with three first for a Pascal Siakam, like 176 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,559 if you put him on the table, would a team come in with look 177 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,440 two to three first for Rogianna Noby. So you could go that route. 178 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,840 And I would also say that look Toronto, unlike maybe even the Knicks, 179 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:37,000 Toronto might have a player that immediately interests Utah in keeping where it's o Gianna 180 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,519 Noby. He's entering his age twenty five season. They maybe won't view him 181 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,480 as sort of the you know, the folcrum of their offense or even their 182 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,519 rebuild moving forward. But that's someone who, yeah, he's already on his 183 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,039 second contract, you have to start thinking about his third one. At the 184 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,679 same time, he's young enough to be a part of the rebuild, plugging 185 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,360 play enough to where he fits anywhere, but he's not yet good enough to 186 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,759 where he ruined your rebuild next season. And yet you also have seen enough 187 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:05,759 from him with the ball in his hands when you're looking at his drives, 188 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:09,320 his quicker decision making when you're talking about deferring the ball, and maybe some 189 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,440 of his just like slower, deliberate, methodical pull up threes and thinking well, 190 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,039 maybe there is some functional expansion that's worth plumbing there. I just feel 191 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,679 like the salary anchors Toronto have are way more intriguing than the salary anchors the 192 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,039 Knicks had, because we're talking about bad money in a lot of these instances. 193 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:30,480 Evan Fournier, if you're going to Julius Randall route or just like money, 194 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:35,480 that doesn't mean anything that Utah Derek Rose, for example, So you 195 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:39,600 could go whatever route there is, and I whatever route you want to if 196 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,759 you're Toronto, if you want to just I think the key is how many 197 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:46,240 draft picks are you willing to attach to these players? And I think when 198 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:52,240 you're looking at Pascal Siakam and Fred van Fleet specifically, Utah is gonna want 199 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,240 more picks in addition to the ones that the third team are sending out from 200 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,639 Toronto, than Toronto's going to be willing to attach just because those two are 201 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,960 so central to what Toronto is doing offensively at this point that if you have 202 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:09,320 to attach four first round picks to Pascal Siakam and another team is sending them 203 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,919 three, like, is that going to be enough to get the deal done 204 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,279 there? And if you're Toronto, like there's are you making enough of an 205 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,440 upgrade there? I think siak specifically, you want to pair him and Scotty 206 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Mars with Donovan Mitchell like that makes all the sense in the world. Van 207 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,879 Fleet, there might be a more wiggle room there for me, but he 208 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,080 is, i'd probably say at this point, like a more reliable pass I 209 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,600 don't know if he has the cachet to be considered a better passer passer at 210 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,840 this point, but you can look at the assist numbers. Yes, I 211 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,679 get it, but of last year where Van Fleet did. But I trust 212 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:43,200 him to make a more consistent line of decisions when he is attacking, and 213 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:48,440 he's probably a little bit more like complimentary than Donov Metjel when you're looking him 214 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,919 on an offense at the same time, you've seen Donovan Mitchell be able to 215 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:52,639 work off the ball, and he is certainly to me the more valuable off 216 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,879 the dribble shock creator here. I mean he hit almost thirty six percent of 217 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,440 his off the dribble three's last year and that included the stress at of like 218 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,399 this just massive truck where there was a huge implosion from him. So I 219 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,159 think that he is an upgrade over fled van Fleet. I don't know if 220 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,320 it's enough to wear again. Toronto would be okay, this team team X, 221 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:13,360 let's I don't know which team it is, but there would be a 222 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:16,000 team, no doubt my mind, that would give up multiple first round picks 223 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,720 for Fred van Fleet. They will send let's say they send those to Utah 224 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,440 on the Lakers for instance, Like, yeah, they'll send those twenty seven 225 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,720 and twenty nine first round picks out for Fred van Fleet. They would be 226 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:28,399 bonkers not to But now, how many more do you have to include? 227 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,559 If if you're Toronto, I know Mitchell's younger, but it's not like five 228 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,279 or seven years younger, and they functionally are going to play the same position. 229 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,679 And you've just seen more from Fred van Fleet. I think you can 230 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,159 also argue that, Okay, are you worried about Fred van Fleet's next contract? 231 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,679 Maybe, but it's going to be a less commitment either looking at the 232 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,440 terms and years or maybe even the dollar amount and what's Mitchell's next contract. 233 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,240 I think what you're really looking at is using o Gianna Nobi as sort of 234 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:00,879 the primary salary ballast there. And I don't know if you know, does 235 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:05,879 that is Toronto feeling awkward about that or uneasy about that? Because Oganaoby is 236 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,320 kind of like their only true wing. You have Gary Trent Junior, you 237 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,080 have Scottie Barnes, and neither those guys are like wings even in Otto Porter 238 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,279 or Junior just just not a wing. And so that that might be something 239 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,919 that's a breaking point for them. But if you're talking about like sending og 240 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:22,960 to the Jazz or another team, and I think, look, you're gonna 241 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,720 get a team and give you two first round picks for o Gianna Nooby must 242 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:31,399 you're asking them for, you know, tangible talent. I don't like Portland 243 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,360 if they can call together the two first round picks, they don't have the 244 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,039 salary matching fodder or do so I've thought about Atlanta if they just wanted to 245 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:41,000 continue to beef up their defense alongside John Day Murray. That's a team that 246 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,600 you could see doing that. Their pick commitments are weird, but they could 247 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,720 still get to that point. Maybe the Pelicans like but they look into it. 248 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:50,879 I know they have Herb Jones and Trey Murphy, but that's something that 249 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:56,399 maybe they would consider. Phoenix could really get interesting if they're willing to include 250 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,519 multiple first round picks for OG. I just don't think they need more of 251 00:14:58,559 --> 00:15:03,440 like someone with self creation that's there. I think Sacramento could probably talk to 252 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,600 themselves into doing that. But do you trust that their protected pick to Atlanta 253 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,039 is going to convey anytime soon. Washington is a team that I could see 254 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,399 getting involved there. Again, you're at the point where they already have to 255 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,159 convey a first round pick and it's not guaranteed to convey next season. Cleveland 256 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,159 could be a team that gets involved. Here. Chicago, like, the 257 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,639 list just goes on here. You can find a team that will get Look 258 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:26,919 would the Lakers do it, like if they're like giving up two first Rogianna 259 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,080 Noby, I think they should. I don't know if they would, so 260 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,080 you could move him. I think Utah personally, I'd probably rather have Ogna 261 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:37,519 Nobi the player than the picks he's going to bring back. But I don't 262 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,639 know how deep into this tank job Utah is going to be willing to go. 263 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,320 So I think you could get multiple first maybe even another pick on top, 264 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:48,200 like a third first, depending on how low level they are, or 265 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,279 just like a nifty young player or somewhere to take a flyer on four og 266 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,480 So let's just in a series. Say you're sending that out, you're almost 267 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,320 just at the money you need. You can use Ken Birch as the other 268 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,399 fodder, and there's Malkai Flynn floating around? Is there that would get you 269 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,360 to the money. So that could be the framework of a package. And 270 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,720 then how many first round picks are you including? Is it the full boat 271 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:14,039 on your draft, because you could include up to four and if you know 272 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:15,600 the Knicks are pitching five or eventually gonna get to six, like that's sort 273 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,519 of what you're up against. But you do have to view how much Oganaobi 274 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,080 is worth. And so let's just say he's the I would give up more 275 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,759 than two raw first round picks rogannob We want to make that clear. But 276 00:16:25,799 --> 00:16:29,000 if they're distant first round picks like the Lakers, those might hold a little 277 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:30,639 bit more value. And if they're unprotected, let's just say it's Ogan and 278 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:34,320 Oby or two first round picks, and so that's what you're getting in exchange 279 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,399 for Dono Mitchell. If you're Utah, I think, like, could you 280 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,480 include another three If you're Toronto twenty twenty three, two twenty five, two 281 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,279 thousand and twenty seven, maybe we throw a couple of swaps in there that 282 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,720 gets you passed. When you're looking at Donovo Mitchell, you're you're getting one 283 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:55,240 first round pick that conveys past his current deal because he can become a free 284 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,399 agent after the twenty four to twenty five season, So you're getting at least 285 00:16:57,399 --> 00:17:00,639 one pick after. If there's a swap twenty twenty six swap in there, 286 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:07,440 now you're controlling two of Toronto's picks post Donovan Mitchell. And look that has 287 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,640 to factor into this too. I think when you look at how the dealings 288 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,960 with the Knicks specifically, or even when we're talking about Miami here, when 289 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,519 you look at how those are being framed by the way Miami might be like 290 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:21,880 technically a sneaky good team to get involved on an Ogianna Nobi trade, like 291 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,200 would they give up Yovich and three first for Ojianna Nobody to take up that 292 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,039 fourth spot or just three first the equivalent of it, and they have Duncan 293 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:32,559 Robinson to use as their primary salary anchor just sort of food food or thought 294 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:36,079 there. When you're looking at New York and Miami dealing specifically, those are 295 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,839 teams that you almost need to extract more aggressive pitches from because you know Donovan 296 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:45,400 Mitchell wants to stay there long term. And so my example here would be 297 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,200 like the Knicks long term because they're the Knicks. Yes, you might value 298 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,519 there. There are two ways to look at this. You value their distant 299 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,400 first round pick because they're the Knicks and they've historically just found ways to fuck 300 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,799 themselves over. I totally get that. But let is Miami then, as 301 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,519 the example. If you know Dona Mitchell wants to stay there, a twenty 302 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,559 twenty seven Miami pick doesn't mean as much as I would say a pick from 303 00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:11,799 Toronto in twenty twenty seven if you don't know whether Mitchell wants to stay there 304 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,880 now. Toronto is one of the most well run organizations in the league. 305 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,759 And so inherently they're distant first round picks, and their immediate first round picks, 306 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:25,880 especially with Donovan Mitchell, are going to be less value valuable to Utah 307 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,960 than what the Knicks can give up. And so I understand if you're the 308 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,200 Jazz looking at it like this, But if you're getting what would be the 309 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:37,319 equivalent of let's say five to six first like raw first, one of which 310 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,799 at least one of which coveys after Mitchell, and then a swap that can 311 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:45,319 be used after Mitchell, both unprotected, I think that's a starting point if 312 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,000 you like Ogianna Noby. Now, if I'm Toronto, I don't really know 313 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,400 how many first round picks I'm willing to attach in total, like would I 314 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,720 go, you know, twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine, 315 00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:57,279 because if you do that, things get really interesting, because they are you 316 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:02,240 almost thinking like, oh, could Dono Mitchell try to agitate his way out 317 00:19:02,319 --> 00:19:04,119 using the threat of free agency to do it? So then maybe you could 318 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:08,839 have like technically three picks that come after the Donal Mitchell ear if he decides 319 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,839 to, you know, if they trade him before the two twenty five draft 320 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,119 or the twenty four twenty five season. Ever you want to frame it, 321 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,720 that's also has to go into your calculus. That's not gonna happen in New 322 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:21,519 York. That's not gonna happen in Miami. And I'm not saying it should 323 00:19:21,519 --> 00:19:23,960 happen in Toronto again, if I cared about winning, and also just the 324 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,359 city of Toronto. Though I've never been like, I know it's fantastic from 325 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Beola been, they're also just a fan bases like fucking awesome. I would 326 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,880 want to play there, But again, I'm not a millionaire NBA player who 327 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,920 can have my pick of wherever I want to live. So I'm not advocating 328 00:19:38,039 --> 00:19:41,519 for Dono Mitchell to leave Toronto or any player not to want to play for 329 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,039 the Raptors. I want to make that clear. But if you're looking at 330 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:47,559 this from Utah's perspective, you have to be thinking there's some combustibility there, 331 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:49,839 and so how many first round picks can you get out of out of Toronto? 332 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,319 And look, if I'm the Raptors to be frank and the asking price 333 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,200 ended up being like Fred van Fleet and three first because enough values going back 334 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,839 to Toronto to get Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, I'm doing it. I'm not. 335 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,799 I'm just not gonna lie. I'm gonna play the odds on just like 336 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,759 the longer term value. But I think my framework is what Ogna Noby is 337 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,640 to this team. When you look at Scotty Barnes and Siakam being there defensively 338 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,480 and on offense, he feels more replaceable than a Fred van Fleet to me. 339 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:18,960 And this is coming from someone who thinks that there is more on ball 340 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:25,240 work to experiment with when it comes to Ogianna Noby. So like if I 341 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,160 was Miami and he's on the mark, like, let's say just Utah doesn't 342 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,480 or moves them. Let's just say Utah moves them himself. Like if you're 343 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:37,559 trading Oganna Noby for Duncan Robinson and then like that's bad money for Duncan Robinson. 344 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,440 So do they give you yovich and three first assuming that they can work 345 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,359 with whatever Oklahoma City they owe the excuse me, they owe that conditional first 346 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,000 to Oklahoma City in twenty twenty five, I'm probably doing it like I think 347 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,720 Ogana Noby is that good, and so like if you can get three heat 348 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,720 first, four first in the swap from Toronto, I mean three first on 349 00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:00,559 top of that and then a swap from Toronto, Like, that's a lot 350 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:03,720 of value there. I don't know, does it beat the Knicks's best off 351 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:04,599 or no, because the Knicks have all the first round picks in the world 352 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,000 and they can sort of include some intriguing youngsters there as well. When it 353 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:11,079 comes to Obe Top and Immanual Quickly, and I think a lot of this, 354 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,759 and this is one of my questions that I might do a pot on, 355 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,680 so I don't want to get into it too much, but a lot 356 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,279 of people just think that Obi Top and Immanual Quickly, You, Quentin Grimes, 357 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:25,000 those guys are overrated when we're talking about their trade value. If it 358 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:29,839 wasn't New York, would they be valued as highly as they have been or 359 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,960 seemingly in trade talks when not by the Jazz specifically, but when national analysts 360 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,000 and Knicks analysts are talking about it, I think that there's a middle ground 361 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,839 of the national consensus on those players, it is generally too low. But 362 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,119 the Knicks kind of did that to themselves by not giving those players clear roles 363 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,880 or pathways to the court time last year. So I understand like both sides 364 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,400 of the argument. It's ultimately the Knicks's fault that we have that ambiguity surrounding 365 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,519 those players. Though, back to the rafts, though, I would ultimately 366 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:02,799 do this trade for Donovan Mitchell. It's a lot to give if the Utah 367 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,720 is willing to do it. And I don't know what does this come down 368 00:22:03,759 --> 00:22:08,920 to if the Knicks just are refusing to throw their best foot forward. Yeah, 369 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,000 I get it that it makes it easier for other teams. I just 370 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,720 don't think what we know about how the rude Gobert negotiations went down, how 371 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,640 we know what happened with Danny Age when he sort of blew up the Celtics, 372 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,319 and just what we've seen from the superstar trade market in general, most 373 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,799 recently, You're not getting out of a star trade without giving up a shit 374 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,240 ton. And I think ogana nobi and a swap plus three to four first, 375 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:37,920 and I'm gonna say ogana obi a swap three first and then salary. 376 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,240 That is that is a lot to give up. Is it enough to beat 377 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,759 out the knicks best offer? No? I do think though, if you 378 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,599 have to move on from the Knicks, or if the Knicks do pull themselves 379 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:51,960 out, or just the Knicks aren't going to field Let's just say they're not 380 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,039 going to field their best offer. And look, I want to be clear. 381 00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,160 If I'm Utah and I have the chance to get Ogeannaobi an unprotected swap 382 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:02,519 in twenty six and then three first round picks, I probably prefer. I 383 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,000 do prefer that offer way more than anything that has come out of New York 384 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:07,759 thus far to where they're trying to look, the Knicks are clearly trying to 385 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,160 win the battle of oh, we're able to hold on to RJ. Barrett 386 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,440 in these talks like that's not I really I'm not buying the fact that the 387 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:17,279 Jazz won him with a this is I really like r J. Barrett as 388 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:18,880 a player, but just with his payday looming and with the Jazz are trying 389 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,319 to do at least with Oganaobi. There are two years left on his deal 390 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,240 and you kind of know where he fits offensively into a larger equation. R 391 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,960 J. Barretts would moved around too much with New York again promising, but 392 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,640 he's looming. He's coming up on a pay day that's gonna pay him more 393 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,680 probably than Ogana Nobi is making next season. At seventeen point four and then 394 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,119 the season after that, which would be the first of RJ's new deal at 395 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,640 eighteen point six million. So and he has a player option o Gana Nobi 396 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,480 for the twenty four off season at nineteen point nine, he will certainly decline 397 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,240 that. But if you're getting OG three first and a swap, and that 398 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,039 swap and one of those first round picks are post dating the Donovan Mitchell's current 399 00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:02,079 contract or you know, before he enters free agency or coming after he would 400 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,160 enter free agency, I'm sorry, excuse me. I prefer that to anything 401 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,160 that's just come out of New York because you're only getting two unprotected first from 402 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,960 the Knicks, and that's knowing that one of them is probably in twenty twenty 403 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,400 three, like that's not and maybe the other ones in two and twenty five. 404 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,160 Maybe only one of those picks, and we haven't even heard a mention 405 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,319 of swaps. So you're about one of those picks. Let's say, let's 406 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,240 just and this might be conservative, one of those Knicks picks are coming after 407 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:26,920 Donovan Mitchell's contract would end or he would enter free agency. That's not that 408 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,480 appealing to me. And even if it's two, if twenty seven and twenty 409 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,079 nine we're already on the table, or twenty six and twenty eight. Whatever 410 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,079 it is, like the fact that O, G N and Obi's involved in 411 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,000 this, and you could point to something as an origin of we're going to 412 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,920 get elite returns on him, or this is someone that gives us some structure 413 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,799 to our rebuild as we can get good fairly quickly, because whoever we draft, 414 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:51,200 whoever we decide to use as our poll star, like he's just going 415 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,759 to fit next to them. Do you worry about him leaving Utah? Of 416 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:56,319 course? But if it's like you know, I might even prefer if the 417 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,119 Raptors went the route of Gary Trent junior salary filler and then their entire draft 418 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,799 at this point, just because Gary Trent Junior is going to get you more 419 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,839 first round equity if you wanted to move him to a third team or just 420 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,359 later yourselves. I don't think you can point to anyone that Knicks are going 421 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,079 to send out right now. Certainly, the longer contracts, the expensive contracts, 422 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,119 Randall Fournier, whatever Derrick Rows, you're not getting first round picks for 423 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,839 them. Do I think a team would give up a first round pick for 424 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,920 manual quickly or it will be topping were Quentin Grimes, my gut would be 425 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,400 yes. But the first round pick you get right now, to me, 426 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,519 you're either going to get more first round picks for Gary Trent Junior or no 427 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,279 Giannobia. You're definitely gonna get the higher in first round value there. And 428 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,440 so that's just sort of where I land on this. I don't think the 429 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,799 Raptors need to do this. They have the luxury of seeing what this core 430 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,759 turns into. And I still have them as a top five team in the 431 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,039 East. I haven't done my official rankings, but like they're in the as 432 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,839 of right now, I have Milwaukee and probably Boston and just their their own 433 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:56,680 tier together. And then when you're mention mentioning Miami, Philadelphia, Toronto is 434 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,480 in that equation for me, and they're in looked as now they're in the 435 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,880 Brooklyn tier for me too. We can talk about how Brooklyn could enter god 436 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,160 mode, but I just don't. I don't trust that team. I don't, 437 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,039 I don't. I don't know why anyone would so at worst, like 438 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,920 yeah, if you want to say the Nets, the Bucks and the Celtics 439 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,160 are guaranteed to be better, but I'm looking them sort of in the same 440 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,039 vein as just it's a harder outcome for them to reach to me than Miami 441 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,480 or Philadelphia and even Brooklyn. But like their ceiling is making the Eastern Conference 442 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,480 finals, like and that's there. I wouldn't even say that's my absolute ceiling. 443 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,920 Could I envision them beating anyone in the East in the best of seven 444 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,519 series. There's no team that I would be like that. It's impossible for 445 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,160 them to beat. I just think a lot of things need to go right, 446 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,920 probably in two, if not all three of their perspective Eastern Conference playoff 447 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,599 series offensively, when looking at their incumbent town, I don't see a pathway 448 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,039 with the current core unless and I think the it would be if ogn Noby 449 00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,680 or Scotty Barnes really speed up their half court shot creation. I think there's 450 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,880 a chance maybe we'd get there from Scotty Barnes, but it's a lot to 451 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,480 saddle him with a year two and so I think Dona Mitchell would be a 452 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,039 fantastic fit. I probably wouldn't rule out any permutation. This is not my 453 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:07,160 final offer, but OG plus other salary and then going three first round picks 454 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,880 plus a swap. I don't know if that's enough for the Jazz. Would 455 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,680 I include a fourth first round pick or a second swap? Can you go 456 00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:18,680 three picks two swaps? It's a lot Dono Mitchell, though his best case 457 00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,599 outcome as a star is higher than O Giannaobi's now when you're looking at the 458 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:26,160 shot creation element there, and so if I'm Toronto, I would go as 459 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,759 high as OG three first and a swap. Jazz fans can let me know 460 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,720 what they think. Raptors fans can let me know what they think. This 461 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 was just that's the team, though, if we're looking at a dark horse, 462 00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,359 I think it's the Raptors could probably get involved and make these interestings otherwise 463 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,759 make this interesting Otherwise, I don't really see it for Miami certainly. The 464 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,400 other team that's been most linked to Mitchell, I don't think Boston. Some 465 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,680 people sort of mentioned that to me if they wanted. I don't know why 466 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,079 you wouldn't. I just can't see them including Jalalen Brown in this, even 467 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,279 if the idea of Dono Mitchell shop making helped him out in the postseason. 468 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,079 There's just not a lot of teams. I don't think New Orleans needs to 469 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,279 go after him. Frankly, when you have CJ. McCollum Ingram and then 470 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:07,319 with Zion coming back and just other teams that might have the pick equity to 471 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:11,480 get involved, I really just don't see the like the impetus they're they're not 472 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:15,559 on the right timeline with you know, okay, see as an example, 473 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:22,400 Orlando is interesting. I just think it's too early into the Palo Bank arrow 474 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:25,359 era and then even not knowing what you have in jail and Suggs and we've 475 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,279 talked about that as well. I would love to see the magic, like 476 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,839 you know, you make bank Carro untouchable and then like you build your offer 477 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,160 from there. I wouldn't make Sugs untouchable in those talks. I probably wouldn't 478 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240 even make Vagner untouchable. But if you need to pick two untouchable players, 479 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,279 like you say to Utah, we're will we have a lot of draft picks. 480 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:42,200 We have a Chicago draft pick, we have a Dever draft pick, 481 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,720 we have all our own picks, Like we're willing to work with those, 482 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,279 and we want to keep two of Sugs, Wagner and bank Carro. Uh, 483 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,880 there's like there's pathways to there. But like I just that's another timeline 484 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,839 that just feels like it would really need to speed up. And so let 485 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,359 me know what you think. This was a blast. Remember too, subscribe 486 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200 to us wherever you're listening to this YouTube, it does subscribe. But iTunes 487 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,839 Spotify help us out a ton on iTunes for Apple Talk fits and if you'll 488 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,519 use them to try and get us up those charts, it would it would 489 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:14,319 help out a bunch of ratings and reviews there as well and help people find 490 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:15,599 us. Until next time, and like always, I leave you to shout 491 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,880 out to one the only player who would actually be untouchable in perspective, Donovan 492 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,720 Mitchell, Trade Talks, Frank Neila Keena