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we get to my question, which and this is I think it's been
broached indirectly a few times even on this podcast, but the question is should
the Toronto Raptors get involved in the Donovan Mitchell sweepstakes. Two things sort of
spurred me to consider this, and that's one, Kevin Durant agreeing to remain
in Brooklyn, at least for the foreseeable future. We know all that can
change and that will factor into this, but just the fact that now teams
like the Raptors, they heat and the Suns should be looking at contingencies or
other avenues if they were at all linked to the Kevin Durant sweep stakes.
And then also Mark Stein, in his latest report on Substack had mentioned that
the you know, the Lakers aren't going to get involved in whatever Donovan Mitchell
deal there is, regardless of which team it is, whether it's the Knicks
or if there's a dark horse. And the fact that you mentioned a dark
horse sort of made me wonder, well, is there even a potential for
anyone to come in and actually, let's talk about not if the Knicks bow
out, because they're not going to bow out of this sweep stakes, but
is there a team that can come in and actually beat the Knicks offer?
And I was trying to think of them. I'm going a few sprang to
mind, but you know, you talk about them, and there's New Orleans
might be able to do it. But why why would they? Okac is
too hard to match salaries, and they have even less of an incentive to
do that following the chet Homegren injury, which will cover in further detail on
this podcast as well. So the Raptors sprang to mind here. They have
all of their own draft picks except for a twenty twenty four second to the
Memphis Grizzlies, and they also have they have to get into a round twenty
three point two eight around twenty three point point three million dollars. Excuse me
to bring back Dono Mitchell, which is very easy for them to do when
you look at some of their contracts and they have different amities, they can
go to explore a trade package for Donovan Mitchell. I think the first question
is should they even be interested in Donovan Mitchell. He's a sixth one guard.
They already have that in Fred van Fleet. I guess in theory you
can involve Fred van Fleet in the trade talks. In that scenario, he's
entering his age twenty eight season, and he's also going to be a free
agency and you're probably looking at sending him to another team that would then need
to send Utah stuff. You also need the Raptors to believe that Mitchell's enough
of an upgrade to sort of swap those two out, because you're not trading
van Fleet straight up. I also think that they could just play together because
of how good Fred van Fleet is defensively, and I think that Donovan Mitchell
can be better there too. They have enough size and length also on the
rest of the floor at the rest of the positions, to where it shouldn't
be a huge issue. However, I've received a bunch of pushback, mainly
on YouTube, saying that I didn't watch enough of the Raptors, especially during
the second half of the season, because I'm concerned about their half court offense.
If you disagree, that's fine, but it's okay to have concerns about
your own team. And there were people spewing things off that the Raptors half
court offense improved a great deal over the course of the season. I didn't
really see enough of it. There are points where their offense improved, but
a lot of their most efficient offense was being generated on the break, which
is great, that's fine, or on second chance opportunities in the half court,
and you can't live and die by those in the playoffs. And when
I look at this roster, do I think that it can be really good
on offense. I absolutely do. I'm a big believer in Scotty Barnes.
But when you also kind of look at the complexion of a roster, they
don't have that sort of quick fire off the dribble shot maker at I would
say you want them at two of the three levels. It'd be great if
they can get to the basket a ton, but sort of from the mid
range and three point and from beyond the arc. That's not Pascal Siakam's game,
like even his pull ups like these are not just super quick. You're
looking at Scotty Barnes. I think there's potential there. I need to see
his game speed up a ton with the ball in his hands, and even
that would sort of run countered as some of the shots that he did take
that he self created last season. You do have Fred van Fleet, but
that's all never been his game. Like. This is someone who operates really
well off movement, off catching shoot opportunities. Yeah, he has added more
off the dribble scoring to his rapport, even at every level, I would
argue, but he's not the most efficient when it comes to that department.
And you look at the Raptors, they ranked in the bottom four of pull
up efficiency pull up jumper efficiency last season. You even split that look after
the All Star break, they're still hovering around the bottom four an effective field
goal percentage. And they did take those shots. Again, they were different
kinds of pull ups I would call them. They feel like more methodical than
a lot of other teams. And I'm talking about more of the provisational speed
is basically what I'm looking for, or someone like a Kawhi Leonard like they
have, and you sort of go through the past few champions and like teams
needed that type of player or an additional type of player to get to that
level. The Warriors, we know that they have Steph Curry, the Raptors,
when they had Kawhi Leonard, the Lakers they had not only Lebron James,
but like the version of Anthony Davis that was that was Kevin Durant.
So I do think it's important. I'm not saying that it's must include,
but if you are the Raptors and even looked with the Calves when they went
having Lebron and Kyrie Irvings, you can go through the list like that.
Even like when the Bucks won, Drew Holiday getting them over the top made
so much sense because he could operate in that capacity more so than Janas sort
of on the same level as a Chris Middleton. And so while neither of
them, although Drew shot the hell out of the ball on step back threes
this year, by the way, although neither of those two Middleton and Drew
Holiday are going to fall into like the Kyrie Irving category or the Kawhi Leonard
category, like that is stuff they can do Chris Middleton has his mid range
game, and Drew Holiday does have an off the dribble jumper of which to
speak at at an accelerated speed, and that's what I'm looking for for the
Raptors. And so if I was Toronto, I absolutely, abolutely would kick
the tires on a Donovan Mitchell trade. You have them under contract for three
years. Messier Jerry has been known to take risks, and I do think
this is an instance where you're not getting into Scottie Barnes permutations like that's he
was off the table and Durant talks. We know that, but Donovan Mitchell,
the Jazz do not have the leverage to ask for Scotty Barnes, and
knowing the packages that have been rumored with New York, they don't. The
fact that New York doesn't have the blue chip prospect to send back where the
Jazz can point him and say, hey, that's who we're gonna build around.
That only sort of helps other teams flesh out their best offers because you're
operating under the pretense that the Jazz are okay on some level taking a package
that is primarily pick based, where yeah, it'd be cool to get some
complimentary youngsters Obi Toppin, Emmanuel Quickly, maybe Quentin Grimes. And if you
want to equip and say R. J. Barrett's a blue chip prospect,
that's fine, but he's extension eligible right now. And I don't think that
we've seen anything. You know, when I'm talking about a blue ship prospect,
someone who profiles is better as the third or fourth best player on a
championship team. I don't think we can point at our Jay and say that
he's shown enough to loop him into that category. Where can he be you
know, definitely be the third best player in championship team, but more to
the point, you know, the first or second best player on a ton
of contender. And you're not necessarily looking to get those guys in trades because
if you think you have that guy, teams don't tend to move him,
even in instances like this, unless they're already a finished championship product, which
the Knicks are not. So I do think New York's offer can be beat,
especially the ones that have been rumored. We hear five first rounders and
it's like, oh my god, five first round picks. Yeah, that's
a lot. As of right now, we know that the Knicks have only
agreed to include up to two of their own unprotected first rounders, And so
now you're getting into the Detroit pick, the Washington pick, the Mavericks pick
Detroit and Washington. Those are protected until Kingdom come. They could convey in
the lottery, but it might take a while and it's never going to be
higher. I think the most loosely protected of them falls to eighth, and
then the Mavericks pick is top ten protected this season. You have that Bucks
pick in twenty twenty five, that's top four protected. Do you really think
the Bucks are gonna suck in twenty twenty five when they have Jannis? And
so, yes, the Knicks can come over the top and say here are
four and protected first round picks and three swaps and just be done with it
if they wanted to. They haven't done that yet, and maybe a team
like the Raptors could come in and force them to do that, But I
don't think it's moot to say that the Raptors could rival the offer. And
so what do you start with there? And I think you have to aside
one, Scotty Barnes is off the table, and two I'm probably taking Siakam
off the table as well, just because I don't I don't think you need
him. I don't think the Jazz want him. Another player is extension eligible.
They're not trying to go the Brooklyn route when they were shopping Kevin Durant.
They're not looking to win immediately. They are entering the Scoot Henderson and
Victor Windam Yama sweepstakes. That's that's just very cleared. If you're not seeing
that, I mean the players they got back in the Rudy Gobert deal,
it was nothing with Yeah, there were players with immediate value, but they
already moved Patrick Beverley and it was they took picks and they I guess the
one not even blue shit prospect, but like the one young player and I'm
sorry, Jared Vanderbilt doesn't count for this discussion. That you could have said,
oh, they want that tangible building block, it would have been Jay
McDaniels and he was not included in trade talks. They've clearly prioritized picks.
Even if you figure out, you know, depending on how you feel about
Walker Kessler as well, I think that opens the door for Toronto because you
have sort of what could be a mix and where you've if you wanted though
to include Siakam or Fred van Fleet or even though Gianna Nobi makes it easier
to suss out third teams then because you just want them to send Toronto picks,
Do I Utah picks? Excuse me? Do I think that you could
get two to three first round picks for a Siakamer van Fleet? Two for
sure? Three is more complicated. It definitely depends on the team. You
know, would Memphis come in with three first for a Pascal Siakam, like
if you put him on the table, would a team come in with look
two to three first for Rogianna Noby. So you could go that route.
And I would also say that look Toronto, unlike maybe even the Knicks,
Toronto might have a player that immediately interests Utah in keeping where it's o Gianna
Noby. He's entering his age twenty five season. They maybe won't view him
as sort of the you know, the folcrum of their offense or even their
rebuild moving forward. But that's someone who, yeah, he's already on his
second contract, you have to start thinking about his third one. At the
same time, he's young enough to be a part of the rebuild, plugging
play enough to where he fits anywhere, but he's not yet good enough to
where he ruined your rebuild next season. And yet you also have seen enough
from him with the ball in his hands when you're looking at his drives,
his quicker decision making when you're talking about deferring the ball, and maybe some
of his just like slower, deliberate, methodical pull up threes and thinking well,
maybe there is some functional expansion that's worth plumbing there. I just feel
like the salary anchors Toronto have are way more intriguing than the salary anchors the
Knicks had, because we're talking about bad money in a lot of these instances.
Evan Fournier, if you're going to Julius Randall route or just like money,
that doesn't mean anything that Utah Derek Rose, for example, So you
could go whatever route there is, and I whatever route you want to if
you're Toronto, if you want to just I think the key is how many
draft picks are you willing to attach to these players? And I think when
you're looking at Pascal Siakam and Fred van Fleet specifically, Utah is gonna want
more picks in addition to the ones that the third team are sending out from
Toronto, than Toronto's going to be willing to attach just because those two are
so central to what Toronto is doing offensively at this point that if you have
to attach four first round picks to Pascal Siakam and another team is sending them
three, like, is that going to be enough to get the deal done
there? And if you're Toronto, like there's are you making enough of an
upgrade there? I think siak specifically, you want to pair him and Scotty
Mars with Donovan Mitchell like that makes all the sense in the world. Van
Fleet, there might be a more wiggle room there for me, but he
is, i'd probably say at this point, like a more reliable pass I
don't know if he has the cachet to be considered a better passer passer at
this point, but you can look at the assist numbers. Yes, I
get it, but of last year where Van Fleet did. But I trust
him to make a more consistent line of decisions when he is attacking, and
he's probably a little bit more like complimentary than Donov Metjel when you're looking him
on an offense at the same time, you've seen Donovan Mitchell be able to
work off the ball, and he is certainly to me the more valuable off
the dribble shock creator here. I mean he hit almost thirty six percent of
his off the dribble three's last year and that included the stress at of like
this just massive truck where there was a huge implosion from him. So I
think that he is an upgrade over fled van Fleet. I don't know if
it's enough to wear again. Toronto would be okay, this team team X,
let's I don't know which team it is, but there would be a
team, no doubt my mind, that would give up multiple first round picks
for Fred van Fleet. They will send let's say they send those to Utah
on the Lakers for instance, Like, yeah, they'll send those twenty seven
and twenty nine first round picks out for Fred van Fleet. They would be
bonkers not to But now, how many more do you have to include?
If if you're Toronto, I know Mitchell's younger, but it's not like five
or seven years younger, and they functionally are going to play the same position.
And you've just seen more from Fred van Fleet. I think you can
also argue that, Okay, are you worried about Fred van Fleet's next contract?
Maybe, but it's going to be a less commitment either looking at the
terms and years or maybe even the dollar amount and what's Mitchell's next contract.
I think what you're really looking at is using o Gianna Nobi as sort of
the primary salary ballast there. And I don't know if you know, does
that is Toronto feeling awkward about that or uneasy about that? Because Oganaoby is
kind of like their only true wing. You have Gary Trent Junior, you
have Scottie Barnes, and neither those guys are like wings even in Otto Porter
or Junior just just not a wing. And so that that might be something
that's a breaking point for them. But if you're talking about like sending og
to the Jazz or another team, and I think, look, you're gonna
get a team and give you two first round picks for o Gianna Nooby must
you're asking them for, you know, tangible talent. I don't like Portland
if they can call together the two first round picks, they don't have the
salary matching fodder or do so I've thought about Atlanta if they just wanted to
continue to beef up their defense alongside John Day Murray. That's a team that
you could see doing that. Their pick commitments are weird, but they could
still get to that point. Maybe the Pelicans like but they look into it.
I know they have Herb Jones and Trey Murphy, but that's something that
maybe they would consider. Phoenix could really get interesting if they're willing to include
multiple first round picks for OG. I just don't think they need more of
like someone with self creation that's there. I think Sacramento could probably talk to
themselves into doing that. But do you trust that their protected pick to Atlanta
is going to convey anytime soon. Washington is a team that I could see
getting involved there. Again, you're at the point where they already have to
convey a first round pick and it's not guaranteed to convey next season. Cleveland
could be a team that gets involved. Here. Chicago, like, the
list just goes on here. You can find a team that will get Look
would the Lakers do it, like if they're like giving up two first Rogianna
Noby, I think they should. I don't know if they would, so
you could move him. I think Utah personally, I'd probably rather have Ogna
Nobi the player than the picks he's going to bring back. But I don't
know how deep into this tank job Utah is going to be willing to go.
So I think you could get multiple first maybe even another pick on top,
like a third first, depending on how low level they are, or
just like a nifty young player or somewhere to take a flyer on four og
So let's just in a series. Say you're sending that out, you're almost
just at the money you need. You can use Ken Birch as the other
fodder, and there's Malkai Flynn floating around? Is there that would get you
to the money. So that could be the framework of a package. And
then how many first round picks are you including? Is it the full boat
on your draft, because you could include up to four and if you know
the Knicks are pitching five or eventually gonna get to six, like that's sort
of what you're up against. But you do have to view how much Oganaobi
is worth. And so let's just say he's the I would give up more
than two raw first round picks rogannob We want to make that clear. But
if they're distant first round picks like the Lakers, those might hold a little
bit more value. And if they're unprotected, let's just say it's Ogan and
Oby or two first round picks, and so that's what you're getting in exchange
for Dono Mitchell. If you're Utah, I think, like, could you
include another three If you're Toronto twenty twenty three, two twenty five, two
thousand and twenty seven, maybe we throw a couple of swaps in there that
gets you passed. When you're looking at Donovo Mitchell, you're you're getting one
first round pick that conveys past his current deal because he can become a free
agent after the twenty four to twenty five season, So you're getting at least
one pick after. If there's a swap twenty twenty six swap in there,
now you're controlling two of Toronto's picks post Donovan Mitchell. And look that has
to factor into this too. I think when you look at how the dealings
with the Knicks specifically, or even when we're talking about Miami here, when
you look at how those are being framed by the way Miami might be like
technically a sneaky good team to get involved on an Ogianna Nobi trade, like
would they give up Yovich and three first for Ojianna Nobody to take up that
fourth spot or just three first the equivalent of it, and they have Duncan
Robinson to use as their primary salary anchor just sort of food food or thought
there. When you're looking at New York and Miami dealing specifically, those are
teams that you almost need to extract more aggressive pitches from because you know Donovan
Mitchell wants to stay there long term. And so my example here would be
like the Knicks long term because they're the Knicks. Yes, you might value
there. There are two ways to look at this. You value their distant
first round pick because they're the Knicks and they've historically just found ways to fuck
themselves over. I totally get that. But let is Miami then, as
the example. If you know Dona Mitchell wants to stay there, a twenty
twenty seven Miami pick doesn't mean as much as I would say a pick from
Toronto in twenty twenty seven if you don't know whether Mitchell wants to stay there
now. Toronto is one of the most well run organizations in the league.
And so inherently they're distant first round picks, and their immediate first round picks,
especially with Donovan Mitchell, are going to be less value valuable to Utah
than what the Knicks can give up. And so I understand if you're the
Jazz looking at it like this, But if you're getting what would be the
equivalent of let's say five to six first like raw first, one of which
at least one of which coveys after Mitchell, and then a swap that can
be used after Mitchell, both unprotected, I think that's a starting point if
you like Ogianna Noby. Now, if I'm Toronto, I don't really know
how many first round picks I'm willing to attach in total, like would I
go, you know, twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine,
because if you do that, things get really interesting, because they are you
almost thinking like, oh, could Dono Mitchell try to agitate his way out
using the threat of free agency to do it? So then maybe you could
have like technically three picks that come after the Donal Mitchell ear if he decides
to, you know, if they trade him before the two twenty five draft
or the twenty four twenty five season. Ever you want to frame it,
that's also has to go into your calculus. That's not gonna happen in New
York. That's not gonna happen in Miami. And I'm not saying it should
happen in Toronto again, if I cared about winning, and also just the
city of Toronto. Though I've never been like, I know it's fantastic from
Beola been, they're also just a fan bases like fucking awesome. I would
want to play there, But again, I'm not a millionaire NBA player who
can have my pick of wherever I want to live. So I'm not advocating
for Dono Mitchell to leave Toronto or any player not to want to play for
the Raptors. I want to make that clear. But if you're looking at
this from Utah's perspective, you have to be thinking there's some combustibility there,
and so how many first round picks can you get out of out of Toronto?
And look, if I'm the Raptors to be frank and the asking price
ended up being like Fred van Fleet and three first because enough values going back
to Toronto to get Donovan Mitchell. Yeah, I'm doing it. I'm not.
I'm just not gonna lie. I'm gonna play the odds on just like
the longer term value. But I think my framework is what Ogna Noby is
to this team. When you look at Scotty Barnes and Siakam being there defensively
and on offense, he feels more replaceable than a Fred van Fleet to me.
And this is coming from someone who thinks that there is more on ball
work to experiment with when it comes to Ogianna Noby. So like if I
was Miami and he's on the mark, like, let's say just Utah doesn't
or moves them. Let's just say Utah moves them himself. Like if you're
trading Oganna Noby for Duncan Robinson and then like that's bad money for Duncan Robinson.
So do they give you yovich and three first assuming that they can work
with whatever Oklahoma City they owe the excuse me, they owe that conditional first
to Oklahoma City in twenty twenty five, I'm probably doing it like I think
Ogana Noby is that good, and so like if you can get three heat
first, four first in the swap from Toronto, I mean three first on
top of that and then a swap from Toronto, Like, that's a lot
of value there. I don't know, does it beat the Knicks's best off
or no, because the Knicks have all the first round picks in the world
and they can sort of include some intriguing youngsters there as well. When it
comes to Obe Top and Immanual Quickly, and I think a lot of this,
and this is one of my questions that I might do a pot on,
so I don't want to get into it too much, but a lot
of people just think that Obi Top and Immanual Quickly, You, Quentin Grimes,
those guys are overrated when we're talking about their trade value. If it
wasn't New York, would they be valued as highly as they have been or
seemingly in trade talks when not by the Jazz specifically, but when national analysts
and Knicks analysts are talking about it, I think that there's a middle ground
of the national consensus on those players, it is generally too low. But
the Knicks kind of did that to themselves by not giving those players clear roles
or pathways to the court time last year. So I understand like both sides
of the argument. It's ultimately the Knicks's fault that we have that ambiguity surrounding
those players. Though, back to the rafts, though, I would ultimately
do this trade for Donovan Mitchell. It's a lot to give if the Utah
is willing to do it. And I don't know what does this come down
to if the Knicks just are refusing to throw their best foot forward. Yeah,
I get it that it makes it easier for other teams. I just
don't think what we know about how the rude Gobert negotiations went down, how
we know what happened with Danny Age when he sort of blew up the Celtics,
and just what we've seen from the superstar trade market in general, most
recently, You're not getting out of a star trade without giving up a shit
ton. And I think ogana nobi and a swap plus three to four first,
and I'm gonna say ogana obi a swap three first and then salary.
That is that is a lot to give up. Is it enough to beat
out the knicks best offer? No? I do think though, if you
have to move on from the Knicks, or if the Knicks do pull themselves
out, or just the Knicks aren't going to field Let's just say they're not
going to field their best offer. And look, I want to be clear.
If I'm Utah and I have the chance to get Ogeannaobi an unprotected swap
in twenty six and then three first round picks, I probably prefer. I
do prefer that offer way more than anything that has come out of New York
thus far to where they're trying to look, the Knicks are clearly trying to
win the battle of oh, we're able to hold on to RJ. Barrett
in these talks like that's not I really I'm not buying the fact that the
Jazz won him with a this is I really like r J. Barrett as
a player, but just with his payday looming and with the Jazz are trying
to do at least with Oganaobi. There are two years left on his deal
and you kind of know where he fits offensively into a larger equation. R
J. Barretts would moved around too much with New York again promising, but
he's looming. He's coming up on a pay day that's gonna pay him more
probably than Ogana Nobi is making next season. At seventeen point four and then
the season after that, which would be the first of RJ's new deal at
eighteen point six million. So and he has a player option o Gana Nobi
for the twenty four off season at nineteen point nine, he will certainly decline
that. But if you're getting OG three first and a swap, and that
swap and one of those first round picks are post dating the Donovan Mitchell's current
contract or you know, before he enters free agency or coming after he would
enter free agency, I'm sorry, excuse me. I prefer that to anything
that's just come out of New York because you're only getting two unprotected first from
the Knicks, and that's knowing that one of them is probably in twenty twenty
three, like that's not and maybe the other ones in two and twenty five.
Maybe only one of those picks, and we haven't even heard a mention
of swaps. So you're about one of those picks. Let's say, let's
just and this might be conservative, one of those Knicks picks are coming after
Donovan Mitchell's contract would end or he would enter free agency. That's not that
appealing to me. And even if it's two, if twenty seven and twenty
nine we're already on the table, or twenty six and twenty eight. Whatever
it is, like the fact that O, G N and Obi's involved in
this, and you could point to something as an origin of we're going to
get elite returns on him, or this is someone that gives us some structure
to our rebuild as we can get good fairly quickly, because whoever we draft,
whoever we decide to use as our poll star, like he's just going
to fit next to them. Do you worry about him leaving Utah? Of
course? But if it's like you know, I might even prefer if the
Raptors went the route of Gary Trent junior salary filler and then their entire draft
at this point, just because Gary Trent Junior is going to get you more
first round equity if you wanted to move him to a third team or just
later yourselves. I don't think you can point to anyone that Knicks are going
to send out right now. Certainly, the longer contracts, the expensive contracts,
Randall Fournier, whatever Derrick Rows, you're not getting first round picks for
them. Do I think a team would give up a first round pick for
manual quickly or it will be topping were Quentin Grimes, my gut would be
yes. But the first round pick you get right now, to me,
you're either going to get more first round picks for Gary Trent Junior or no
Giannobia. You're definitely gonna get the higher in first round value there. And
so that's just sort of where I land on this. I don't think the
Raptors need to do this. They have the luxury of seeing what this core
turns into. And I still have them as a top five team in the
East. I haven't done my official rankings, but like they're in the as
of right now, I have Milwaukee and probably Boston and just their their own
tier together. And then when you're mention mentioning Miami, Philadelphia, Toronto is
in that equation for me, and they're in looked as now they're in the
Brooklyn tier for me too. We can talk about how Brooklyn could enter god
mode, but I just don't. I don't trust that team. I don't,
I don't. I don't know why anyone would so at worst, like
yeah, if you want to say the Nets, the Bucks and the Celtics
are guaranteed to be better, but I'm looking them sort of in the same
vein as just it's a harder outcome for them to reach to me than Miami
or Philadelphia and even Brooklyn. But like their ceiling is making the Eastern Conference
finals, like and that's there. I wouldn't even say that's my absolute ceiling.
Could I envision them beating anyone in the East in the best of seven
series. There's no team that I would be like that. It's impossible for
them to beat. I just think a lot of things need to go right,
probably in two, if not all three of their perspective Eastern Conference playoff
series offensively, when looking at their incumbent town, I don't see a pathway
with the current core unless and I think the it would be if ogn Noby
or Scotty Barnes really speed up their half court shot creation. I think there's
a chance maybe we'd get there from Scotty Barnes, but it's a lot to
saddle him with a year two and so I think Dona Mitchell would be a
fantastic fit. I probably wouldn't rule out any permutation. This is not my
final offer, but OG plus other salary and then going three first round picks
plus a swap. I don't know if that's enough for the Jazz. Would
I include a fourth first round pick or a second swap? Can you go
three picks two swaps? It's a lot Dono Mitchell, though his best case
outcome as a star is higher than O Giannaobi's now when you're looking at the
shot creation element there, and so if I'm Toronto, I would go as
high as OG three first and a swap. Jazz fans can let me know
what they think. Raptors fans can let me know what they think. This
was just that's the team, though, if we're looking at a dark horse,
I think it's the Raptors could probably get involved and make these interestings otherwise
make this interesting Otherwise, I don't really see it for Miami certainly. The
other team that's been most linked to Mitchell, I don't think Boston. Some
people sort of mentioned that to me if they wanted. I don't know why
you wouldn't. I just can't see them including Jalalen Brown in this, even
if the idea of Dono Mitchell shop making helped him out in the postseason.
There's just not a lot of teams. I don't think New Orleans needs to
go after him. Frankly, when you have CJ. McCollum Ingram and then
with Zion coming back and just other teams that might have the pick equity to
get involved, I really just don't see the like the impetus they're they're not
on the right timeline with you know, okay, see as an example,
Orlando is interesting. I just think it's too early into the Palo Bank arrow
era and then even not knowing what you have in jail and Suggs and we've
talked about that as well. I would love to see the magic, like
you know, you make bank Carro untouchable and then like you build your offer
from there. I wouldn't make Sugs untouchable in those talks. I probably wouldn't
even make Vagner untouchable. But if you need to pick two untouchable players,
like you say to Utah, we're will we have a lot of draft picks.
We have a Chicago draft pick, we have a Dever draft pick,
we have all our own picks, Like we're willing to work with those,
and we want to keep two of Sugs, Wagner and bank Carro. Uh,
there's like there's pathways to there. But like I just that's another timeline
that just feels like it would really need to speed up. And so let
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