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Let squad to the kaway common Sparrel
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general manager, former NFL Exec of
the Year Randy Mueller favor of this show,

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Randy, how's it going man?
How are you doing pretty good?

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One thing I always get asked,
we always get these on the texts and

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the social media, is what is
it exactly the NFL general managers are doing

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at this point in the schedule.
I mean, obviously you would hope you'd

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be preparing for a Super Bowl,
But beyond that, what is an NFL

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general manager generally doing at the start
of February for his team? Well,

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right now, I know of a
few of that are out there in the

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middle of draft meetings with their scouts
who they've came in and met with,

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starting right after the Senior Bowl last
week. That's the biggest thing is you've

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got to have a little bit of
an idea of what's going to be their

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draft wise, because guess what,
Free agency starts next month, so that

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will be the next thing they have
to conquer. They've got to find out

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so they can play the two against
each other as the best way to fill

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their need and to kind of retool
their roster. I always thought about these

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teams that are in the Super Bowl. Got to be hard for them because

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I know the first thing I would
be thinking is kinsh, I'm falling behind.

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I can't be besting around with the
Super Bowl stuff. I got to

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get next year going. And that
sounds ludicrous, I know, but that

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would be an issue. You'd have
to always have one eye on the future.

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And I think that's what most of
the gms that who are not playing

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obviously are doing now, is they're
downloading information to start a retool of their

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own roster. Will you come back
off the Senior Bull You know, I've

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been down at the Senia Bowl,
what fifteen years something like that. It's

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a lot of fun. It's one
of the largest gatherings of NFL personnel in

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a given spot, maybe outside of
the Combine in a given year. But

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when teams come back from the Senior
Bowl, what is it that they do?

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I mean, are you taking is
that your first live exposure to some

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of these guys? Are you cross
checking get that point? Is there something

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what is it that you take away
from the Senior Bowl and you push forward

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as you head toward the Combine.
Well, it's a great question, because

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I think it differs and it depends
a little bit on the quality of the

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roster. I was there last week
as well, and my first inclination was

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I didn't see as many coaches and
that includes ten coaches and assistants as have

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been there in the past. I
think there's a couple of different philosophies with

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how you use that information that you
gather. I always tried to make our

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staff be as positive as we could
because a lot of these kids hadn't done

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anything since Thanksgiving, and we don't
want it to be a first impression.

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Our scouts have all seen these guys. I think most gms have seen all

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these guys. They've made school visits, they've watched tape, so they have

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a pretty good base for knowledge on
these players. For our coaches, I

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always felt like it was different.
It was a first a first exposure,

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and I didn't like that. I
didn't want our coaches to go down there

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with not having a solid knowledge base
because you see kids in different positions,

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in different ways of defenses, different
ways of learning, and there's a lot

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of bad things that can happen.
I think you got to take that with

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a grain of salt. These all
third games are all great for a little

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bit of exposure for those guys that
have not been seen, but for the

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most part that he's in the barn
with the evaluated part of it, and

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an all star game is very much
akin to the medical information that you gather

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at the combine. So it's just
part of the process. I know that

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the senior bull likes the ability as
where the draft starts. Unfortunately, for

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most teams, they've been scouting these
guys for a year. So I think

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for the public, yes, for
their teams no, oh yeah, I

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thought, you know, Jim Naggen
does a great job of of advertising.

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But yeah, the draft starting,
good movie like that, does a little

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lot of dashes, Jim, you
know, yeah, I was done.

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I noticed that too. A lot
fewer coaches, uh there at this point?

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Is that by design? Is that
the way that scouting is treading not

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to have coaches down for this or
do you think that that was just a

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coincidence this year? Well, I
think it is by design. I think

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a lot of teams, if you're
in the playoffs, you just haven't seen

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the college kids, and and before
I think when every team needs to bring

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a full staff. There was a
lot of uh oh, I don't know.

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I just didn't think we were using
our time as valuable as we could.

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The interview that you can have with
these kids now are limited at ten

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minutes. That's like speed dating,
So you're not going to get a lot

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of quality within that conversation. So
I think that it's kind of losing it

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luster for a full coaching staff to
be there when they could be doing a

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lot more, I think, productive
things back home. So I just think

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that's the way it is. I
think a lot of players, depending on

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how they're structured, a lot of
NFL teams, the coaches won't really get

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involved and have a chance to have
input in the draft process until really the

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end of March or maybe even after
the combine before April comes around. That's

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really their first chance to give their
full feelings on players. I didn't want

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a guy half armed with information giving
any reports. That's for Sharon. I'd

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rather get it right later than be
first and not have the full reports.

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Absolutely. The last question about the
Senior Bowl, really quick, what do

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you think about a guy and not
necessarily specifically about Michael PENICKX, but a

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guy like Michael Pennix, who pulls
himself out after the week of practice from

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doing that. How do you guy, I feel about players doing that?

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Well, I think it's the time, right, It's the day and age.

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You see guys pull them out of
bowl games now, left and right.

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I think when you're when you're there
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my only downside is it does hurt
the quality of the field. But there's

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also three or four quarterbacks on each
of these teams, so hey, I

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look at it as they're going to
get more reps as well. I think

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Pennix at this game in particular,
there was more known about him, so

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I don't think the game was that
important. I hate to see it from

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the standpoint of the kid getting criticized, but I totally understand not playing any

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game and risking injury. Yeah,
that was the thing. I mean,

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you talk about a guy whos had
had injuries for you know, several season

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ending injuries. I sort of got
that. I was just curious as to,

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you know, as to what people
think about that, because you know,

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it used to be the thing you
pulled out of a bowl game or

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whatever. It was this horrible thing
and nowadays used to mean Bowl games mean

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almost nothing, and so we've seen
career ending injuries or guys have have catastrophic

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injury. Jake Butt was one that
have catastrophic injuries that you know that that

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seriously derailed their careers. So I
sort of get it from that perspective.

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We got, you know, the
combine coming up not too far from now,

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what is it that the teams do
to get ramped up for that.

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I mean, you've had the sceneable, you've had the scouts out there in

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the field. Now you've got everybody
kind of dialing in and focusing on this

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event. The biggest takeaway for me
is always you know, there is always

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the stuff we don't get to see, the medicals, things like that.

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But what is there to take away
from that event that the public can take

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away from it? Well, I
think you can confirm different play speeds with

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everybody running and everybody testing all under
one roof, so everybody's comparable in conditions.

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I think that's a big thing now
that you just give you your checking

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boxes to make a complete evaluation on
players. I think that the interviews would

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be interesting for fans from the outside
to have a vision of that're a little

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more in depth. Teams have different
philosophies how they use their fifteen minutes.

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I don't think there's really a ton
of evaluations going on. It's really together

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that medical and intangible in formation,
and really the league always is looking for

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ways to expand the content version.
You know, we used to do this

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in three days. Now it's about
seven, so it kind of gets drug

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out for prime time. And I
understand there's people that make their whole living

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on combine testing and draft cottage industry, so I get it, but there's

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not a ton of information other than
the medical information and the intangibles that teams

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walk away from it. A lot
of interest in this S two testing last

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year, I think specifically because one
of the scores that got leaded CD Stroud

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was incredibly low and then we all
saw how CJ. Stroud took the league

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by storm this year. Do teams
place as much value in these mental attitude

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tests as the public consumes the stuff
when he gets out on Twitter? Well,

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I remember having a conversation with the
GM about specifically c J. Stroud

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and this before he was even drafted, because I watched a lot of tape

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on him and I saw no evidence
of somebody who didn't score well on an

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S two test. But this GM
in particular with Adamant about he said,

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I can't tell you that it's going
to keep him from playing, but the

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likelihood of him being successful isn't quite
as good if you score down. So

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I think the level of importance some
teams put on it is more than others.

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I'm a little old school, so
I think I can tell on film

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what makes a guy tick and how
he processes and makes decisions. I don't

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know that I need a test to
do that, but I know a lot

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of people that believe in these tests, and they think that it inhibits players

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from getting to the best of their
skill level. So I don't know.

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I guess each to his own,
right. Yeah, I was just saying,

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I mean, what are you going
to tell me that a guy can

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do with a pencil and a calculator
in ten minutes that he can't do on

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the field. That kind of thing. I don't know. I just I

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mean, I'm all a fan of
gathering more data, but at the same

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time, I'm like, well,
you know, if this test is telling

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you CEJ Stride is going to be
bad, there's something inherently flawed in the

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process here somewhere looking shifting gears here
a little bit. The Chicago Bears have

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an interesting conundrum here because you've got
a quarterback who has showed flashes. I'm

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not the biggest Justin Fields fan,
you know, especially as a pastor anything.

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He's an All World athlete. There's
been some issues with him as a

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passer. You get to Chicago Bears
the number one overall pick, they've got

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him. You got the opportunity draft
of Caleb Williams or Drake May or Jayden

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Daniels. If you were the general
manager of Chicago, what would it can

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what would it take to get you
to move off that number one pick?

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And would would you consider taking a
gigantic Hall to do that and sticking with

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Justin Fields another season. I would
not, And to answer your question,

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I don't think it matters what I
get offered. You have one chance,

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maybe in your lifetime, to add
a frontline quarterback like Caleb, and I'm

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all for that. I think there's
a big drop off when you talk about

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the other names that you just listed, so you can say you're going to

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get a bunch of haul for for
for backing off that first pick. I

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just don't think it's worth it.
I want to solve the quarterback issue.

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It's the hardest thing to find,
and I think it may it may drive

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media people, especially crazy when the
Bears don't aren't inclined to move back.

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It totally makes sense to me.
I couldn't. I guess you always have

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to take the calls, but I
don't. I don't know what it would

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take, to be honest with you, I just I don't think they'll ever

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get a chance to grab a Caleb
Williams. And again everybody says, well,

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you can have one of these other
guys, and some other picks as

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well. I don't want one of
the other guys if I pick is Caleb

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Williams, So that's nothing against the
other guys. I just think there's a

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level of skill that drops down.
And everybody, it seems like, in

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the outside world has already raised these
quarterbacks in a in a sequence that they

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like. The NFL teams haven't weighed
in on this yet either, and as

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you know, gms are never going
to say what they what they believe,

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so we'll probably never know. But
there might be another name or two that

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figure in the mix before Drake may
or Jade Daniel somebody like that gets picked.

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So to see, well, yeah, I think that's the thing.

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I tend to agree with you.
I'm just I'm asking questions that have come

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in from from some of the listeners
on this. I tend to rate Kayler

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Williams to say, there's it's a
non starter. But I guess you have

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to take the phone call. But
the thing about the NFL is you can

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only trade first round picks for what
three years. It's not like the NBA,

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where I can give you a decade
worth of draft picks, you know,

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to move up for a guy like
that. And so that's that's I

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think the thing. You know,
Chicago has has struggled historically to solve the

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quarterback position. You've got one gift
wrap to land in your lap, and

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you're gonna consider trade trading that away
for more lottery tickets. That's why I

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don't think they can do it.
They may play the game and dance a

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little bit, but I don't see
any way they do it. The falloff

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is too great to the other guys
and these these players, You're never going

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to get another chance. If you're
the Bears and Ryan Poles as their GM.

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He did the right thing last year
when he made the pick. But

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you could also say you shouldn't take
the C. J. Stroud, So

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that is another gamble. If you
move this pick, I think it's I

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mean, it could prove to be
a fireball offense, and I don't know

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anybody that's gonna want that on their
resume. Yeah, and then you know

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they brought in Shane Walder, he
is the new OCS could be collective guy.

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You got Rich Gagarello doing the tutoring
thing. It's easy to make some

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connections thereon kind of see that.
But I was just curious, as a

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formal generman, like what kind of
massive offer would it take somebody to move

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off that pick? And I certainly
wouldn't do it. And you know,

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you got these other quarterbacks out there. You know, you got JJ McCarthy's

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bow Nicks, Michael Pennix, Michael
Pratt, cent et cetera. But those

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guys feel like that they're they're a
little further down the line. Personally,

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I don't know. McCarthy, being
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But yeah, I agree with you. I think most of those are I

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kind of am in the camp of
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kind of held him back a little
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and a really high ceiling with him. So he may be a guy that

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gets considered a lot quicker than people
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process plays out, you may find
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list. Interesting. I thought he
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but that would be even earlier than
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did. I like this skill set. I like these cool under pressure I

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like you know, all those kinds
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young and need a little more seasoning. But it'll be interesting. Randy.

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We always appreciate the time you were
the absolute best, uh uh, and

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we always love having you all the
show. Brother. Thanks, I appreciate

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it any time. Absolutely take care. It's Radymueller. Former NFL Executive of

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the Year, longtime NFL general manager, front office person with the Chargers.

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For gosh, it was like a
decade, I think to a teams before

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that was with the the Dolphins,
Saints, Seahawks. Better on the league.

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He and his brother than done a
lot of working frosts the interesting interesting

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quote there for Brandy where he felt
like JJ McCarthy might even be the second

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quarterback possibly when this process played out. So that was that was an interesting

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interesting quote there. I'm very high
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to hear that. I did not
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say that he thinks that. I
mean, because it was funny how Jim

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Harball got ridiculed the other day.
Jim Harball got on what was it McAfee,

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I think I'm not one hundred percent
sure. I have to go back

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and look, and was saying that
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taken. Now, that was obviously
ridiculous because we were pretty sure Caleb Williams

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is gonna be the guy. But
the idea if JJ McCarthy goes second,

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that's not putting Jim Harbaugh too far
off the mark. And it's not like

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Jim Harbaugh doesn't no quarterbacks. He
played the position, coached the position,

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he coached JJ McCarthy, he coached
in the NFL. He's been, he

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coached Andrew Luck. I mean he's
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quarterbacks. He coached Johnson, Josh
Johnson, who has been on every football

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league. There is non demand for
the last I don't know, twenty years,

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fifteen years he was here in Denver
briefly. I just you know,

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I I that's that's just an interesting, fascinating quote to me, that Randy,

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that Randy said that high on JJ
McCarthy. That's that's really high.

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Well that what would that actually do
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play? I mean we've been talking
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and what if they're not there?
But what if you throw an extra quarterback

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in the mix, then all of
a sudden you got four guys? Right?

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Yeah, you know, it's it's
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Randy made it pretty apparent that he's
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himself, but you know he said
it's a pretty big drop off for Drake

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May and Jayden Daniels and you know, for him personally, I'm interested.

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I'm very interested to go back and
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to evaluate all this kind of stuff. I haven't gone through all the tape

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and ranked all these guys just yet, but that's you know, that's certainly

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fascinating. I look forward to to
getting a chance to do that. If

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you guys missed any of that,
you go to Bronco Country dot com,

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We always love having Randy on. He

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gives us a great insight of what
NFL front offices are doing and thinking and

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how they work and process, and
we love having that on the show Broncos

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Country. And I'd be back with
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