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page on the channel. So this evening, we have an amazing show for
you guys with author, filmmaker and writer, producer and star of our hit
documentary jfk X Solving the Crime of the Century on Amazon Prime now. The
links are in the description. Jay Widner, welcome back to the show.
How's it going. It's doing great and I'm excited to jump into this topic
with you, because man, have we got a lot of good documentaries that's
come out here recently. Netflix is really just blowing the lid off of a
lot of things. And what we're really going to be discussing here this evening
is this new documentary called American Conspiracy The Octopus Murders. And when I first
saw this pop up on Netflix, I ask a few of my friends.
I was like, Hey, what do you guys know about this? And
one of them said, Oh, it's got something to do with UFOs and
I was like, no, it doesn't. It doesn't have anything to do
with UFOs and I was like yeah. Then I watched it and they didn't
really talk anything about UFOs any And then I contacted you and I'm like,
hey, we got a what do you know about this? And then you
gave me a whole story and how you were pretty much involved with this whole
case when it happened. So, first off, what did you think about
the documentary? Oh? I thought it was really good, you know,
they it wasn't as comprehensive as I wished it would be. But I don't
know alwas fault that is. I know Netflix likes to keep things tight.
So they were probably under some kind of restrictions to keep things in some kind
of order, and they didn't retract themselves like they did with the Son of
Sam documentary, where we spent the first three episodes getting all the copious,
delicious facts and then on the fourth episode therese at none of that's true and
throw it all out. You know that kind of Netflix BS really pisses me
off, and they didn't do it. So I was really happy that they
didn't like suddenly say at the very end, oh well, you know,
Danny Castlero probably killed himself and then the whole rest is just BS. And
they didn't. So it was a good documentary. And the guy, you
know, the guy, the lead investigator, I mean, you know,
spent ten years looking into that. And so the way I got involved,
and actually I got involved in all of this because of Danny Castellio, who
was murdered in nineteen ninety one, I believe May of nineteen ninety one.
And what happened with me was I was living out on Bainbridge Island in the
Puget Sound, and one night I woke up with a nightmare. And it
usually had nightmares, but this was a whopper. And in this dream,
I was in a kind of a hotel room and there was this guy with
has kind of long blondish hair, and he was completely naked and his whole
arm, both arms, were just bleeding down onto the ground and the ground
was filling up with blood. And then he looked up at me with anguish
in his eyes. He said, man, you have to help me.
And I woke up and I was completely flipped out. And then I got
on the ferry to go do a job the next day. And I always
bought the Seattle Times when I would take the ferry ride, the forty minute
ferry ride, and in those days, I wouldn't do it now. And
there on page four was the guy I saw in my dream, and it
was an article about how this investigative journalist named Danny Castilero had committed suicide in
a West Virginia motel room. And it flipped me out. I completely flipped
out. And literally within months, I'd started my radio show on CASEMUFM.
Mind Over Mat was the name of the show, which I started covering all
of this stuff and got deeply involved in a bunch of different things. And
I was at the peripheral of the octopus Danny Cassillo murder. I did talk
to the guy who was featured heavily in that documentary, Michael Riconoscudo, by
phone from the Pierce County jail where he was serving time for meth I think
making meth, I believe, because he was too smart to be doing something
stupid like that. He was clearly very intelligent guy. I you know,
I knew how to program assembly and basic and I talked to him, and
he definitely knew how to program really well. He knew all the right terms,
not only a really good programmer would know. And I was left with
this idea that what he said he did he did that he had the talent
to actually do he said he did. And what did he say he did?
What he said he did was that he took the software called Promise and
rode a back door into it for the CIA. And that is why I
called him, and I, you know, and so I questioned him to
find out if he was a BS artist. And like all people that work
in intelligence, you know, a lot of stuff he says is just thrown
in there to confuse you. So you have to be really careful it's a
very difficult path to navigate through the wilderness when you're dealing with these guys.
But you know, I didn't know enough about programming to know that he was
a very very good programmer, and so I came away believing that that part
of what he said was true, and he served I believe, like twenty
years. I think he just got out recently they show him getting out into
documentary and Michael, if you're out there, I'm glad you're free. But
what's really interesting about this whole octopus thing is that actually links to JFKX,
believe it or not. And that's why I'm so intrigued by it. So
as we've been talking in several episodes about these intel wars that actually started with
the election of John F. Kennedy, I'm just going to really repeat this
real fast because i want to get to the real meat of this. But
basically, the CIA took over the intelligence of the United States in nineteen forty
seven, usurping the Office of Naval Intelligence, who had been which had been
the number one intelligence agency, and they didn't take it very well. That's
why the CIA's first director was an admiral. They're trying to assuage the Navy
from being angry. And so thirteen years later, after the Eisenhower administration was
ending the O and I really wanted to find out what was going on in
the CIA, and the CIA was requesting all sorts of very secretive documents from
him. They didn't want to give up, and they didn't. They were
in a quandary, and so they put two candidates up for election in nineteen
sixty. Richard Nixon was Office of Naval Intelligence and John F. Kennedy was
Office in Naval Intelligence. They did this to ensure that they wouldn't lose,
and that's why Nixon didn't complain. When Kennedy obviously stole the Chicago election from
Nixon, everyone wondered why Nixon is just going, okay, well see you
next time. Because that was the operation was to get somebody in there.
It wasn't to win the election. It was to get somebody from the Office
of Naval Intelligence into the presidency to find out what the hell was going on.
So Kennedy gets in there. Of course we know what happened. He
and Bobby uncover all their stuff and then his life is threatened, and then
the Office of Naval Intelligence, you know, goes in and rescues their agent,
as they should do with his life and his family's life was under dress.
And so we start beginning this weird succession of presidents that are either Office
in Nable Intelligence or their CIA. So Johnson was clearly in with the CIA
and the military industrial complex. And then they elected Nixon. Nixon was again
Office of Naval Intelligence. And you'll notice that the Office of Naval Intelligence.
Presidents are going to show you never last very long in office. He latched
three years. Nixon got re elected, the only one that got re elected,
and he only lasted five years because they threw him out on Watergate,
which is a complete CIA operation. So Nixon and the other thing that unites
them is they don't start wars. They're the only people in I'm going to
list out here that don't start any wars. So Kennedy didn't start a war.
Nixon got us out of Vietnam. He didn't start a war. Then
the next president was Ford, and he was CIA, he was in the
Warrant Commission. Then the next one was Jimmy Carter, who is definitely ONI
officially obviously able intelligence. He of course put Stancefield Turner in who is an
eight Navy pissing the CIA off. And here where Cassolero and the Octopus comes
in. So Stansfield Turner does an complete evaluation of the CIA, and he
finds all sorts of bad, bad people in there, and he makes a
list. And by the way, those guys in the Octopus film, they
show a list of all the people they think are in the Octopus on the
site. It's every one of those people. Every one of those people that's
on that list in that documentary is the people that I'm about to talk about.
So Stansfield Turner, on Halloween Night nineteen seventy eight, he did what
in the intelligence community is called the Halloween Night massacre. He fired we don't
know the exact number, somewhere between two to three hundred cias and sent them
into complete and utter oblivion. We thought, we thought, But what happened
is is that a certain ex president who lived in Texas, who had been
the head of the CIA, created a clandestine intelligence agency, one that was
not beholden to anyone, that was completely off the books, using these fired
two to three hundred agents. We know about this because it culminated in the
Iran Contra scandal in nineteen eighty six, eight years after the firing, in
which we discovered that this clant we discovered the Clandestine Intelligence Agency, and we
discovered that they're running drugs and guns mostly out of Mina, Arkansas. Bill
Clinton was governor at the time, and uh uh and that this u uh,
this clandestine organization. When Reagan got elected and Bush was his vice president,
they really hit the pedal to the medal and they got all the money
and funding and the looking away that they wanted and they immediately cocaine began pouring
into the United States. I was live then, remember very well what happened.
Uh, crime started skyrocketing, people started going missing, all sorts of
really weird stuff started going on. And you know, as much as people
want to praise Reagan, you know, he let it go on his watch,
and it was a lot of bad stuff. And so just to clarify
here, so there was this group of individuals, really bad people within the
CIA. They were then fired and then they organize this kind of black budget
arm of the CIA and set up for guns and drugs smuggling. Yeah,
and that's a really interesting part of this documentary. Too, because what they
did is they pretty much just went out and set up on Indian Native American
lands. Yeah, that was kind of the brilliant part about this whole operation
is that they could operate within the United States but not be inside the United
States if they operated on Indian reservations Native American reservations because they're technically not part
of the United States. That's why they can have gambling and all the other
things that they have because federal law doesn't have anything to do with them.
They control and govern their own land. And so the CIA sent in this
guy name I can't remember his name right now, I believe they mentioned him
in the documentary, and he he just has gobs of money and he just
comes in and, you know, gives it to all the Caabazon Native Americans
and they start a casino and all sorts of all sorts of nasty stuff that's
going on on this Indian reservation and there's nothing that anyone can do about it
because it's not the United States domain. And that was the brilliant part.
And who knows how many other Native American reservations they took over. Because I'm
in a rock bottom poor right, they put them in the worst places.
The worst land possible is what the reservations are, and so they're easy pickings.
You come in with a bunch of money and you can take over really
fast. And that's what these guys did. And so around nineteen eighty seven,
Danny Casilero, who's a journalist, he reads an article and he was
working for a computer magazine actually, and he reads an article about this promised
software right, and he decides to start looking int it, and he probably
wishes that he hadn't, and he got involved in the investigation of it.
And then he met Michael Ricona, Shudo and uh and as he spread out
his investigation looking into these exact people, he began to call the whole thing
the octopus because it was in everything. It was in every everywhere he looked.
He found the tentacles of this group, this clandestine x CIA off the
books organization that may still be with us, by the way, And and
so they've created. What they did was they created human traffic. They didn't
created, they increased and organized human trafficking, running of drugs back and forth,
guns down to Central America to go to El Salvador and Nicaragua and a
lot of other places and arming all of those people. MS thirteen got armed
by this, all of them did. And they basically they felt that America,
all of America, South and North America, was theirs and that it
was theirs to run, and so they became this. There used to be
a bumper sticker back in the in the nineteen nineties on cars and it said
there that dare up. You know, Dare is dare to keep kids off
drugs, right, and said dare just like that, they said dare to
keep the CIA from selling drugs, right, And it was really true because
that's what the uh, that's what they were doing. It wasn't technically the
CIA. So you can see how they got to do all the stuff that
they wanted to do without having to have any responsibility for it by having this
plant DestinE an organization that Danny called the octopus. And and who knows how
many mysterious deaths and murders and everything happened in the nineties and the eighties that
were a results of this group and what they were doing, and nobody talks
about it. I mean this, I guarantee you we're the only show anywhere
that's talking about this information because nobody knows about it. This is like information
you only get from somebody from who's deep, deep into the intelligence world.
There is where I got learned all this several What I used to do was
I would occasionally I would meet someone from the CIA and they would, you
know, I'd say, can I talk to you and say, I'm not
telling you anything. I said, I'm not going to ask you to tell
me anything. I don't want you to say one word to me. And
they say good, because they don't know if I'm CIA or not. I'm
sure the CIA is always count you know, contacting their own agents to find
out what they're going to say, right and what they're going to cop out
to probably sending in beautiful women to do it. Probably anyway, it's a
good mo They do that all the time, Operation Midnight Climax, Sure Ceei
running these brothels to get all this information out of politicians and people. Yeah,
incredible, exactly, and and and and who knows how deep and far
it goes? You know. That's the other thing is we just don't know.
We don't know how how what they're doing. Where where did this graduate
to? You know, we don't know. And well, if you if
you kind of follow, because they kind of just brush over in the very
first episode with this promised software and this gentleman there. They had a contract
with the Department of Justice to create this UH software to tract different cases,
different core cases, and different criminal cases, to find the connecting issue between
all all the cases. And then the government, the Department of Justice ended
up bankrupting his entire company and stole the software. And then that's when micro
Verconda Shooto comes in. Micro Kanda Shooto put the back door into the software,
and then the government sold that software to all the other different countries intelligence
communities, so they had that spy They were able to spy on what any
other country in the world was doing. And I think that that's the root
of this, and I think that how it evolved. We've seen the evolving
nature of it. We got it in our pocket, We got it in
our hand. Now they no longer have to do that. Now it's just
everyone's already got it. They already have the back door in the surveillance technology
in everyone's pocket. Sure, And with that computer bank in Utah, and
you combine that with AI, they can watch everybody and cross index and everything
in real time. I mean, so, yeah, you're right. They
don't even need to promise for anymore. It's useless because they can do it
right now in real time with everybody, and so they can cross connect where
I am and where somebody else is and did we meet right? It's like,
how are you going to get away from it? They out there picking
your phone all the time, so they know everywhere you are. There was
a recent murder here in our area and I was following it and the cops
had the guy running around his yard, you know, and asking why did
you run around your yard for twenty minutes? You know, clearly he was
chasing something, and you know, his wife disappeared the next day, and
you know he said, oh, I was chasing chipmunks. You know.
I was okay, yeah, right, So yeah that when I saw that,
Oh my god. You know, I'm gonna leave my phone at home,
you know, So I do. I tend to just leave my phone
at home if I can, because I now know they can track everybody and
everything. But it's just interesting to see the origin of that. And I
really think that that's what this documentary is really about. And they try kind
of try and just you know, brush it off. But that's a huge
deal that the United States did in the late eighties and into the early nineties.
I mean that means that they had a back door into whatever other countries
intelligence communities was using the software for. And it's like wow, I mean,
that's a huge it's like the infancy of the the surveillance state. Yeah,
it really was, and you know, and it was an amazing software,
it really was. Bill Hamilton did a really good job developing it.
And you know, suddenly, you know, you could have a you could
have a bank robbery in New York and then three days later, you know,
you have a very similar bank robbery in say Reno, Nevada. And
in the old days, you would never even know the two happened. Or
you know, one might happen if you're in New York, but you wouldn't
know about the Nevada one, or if you're in Nevada, you'd know about
that one, about the New York one. And so the promised software immediately
would you know, like that come up on the screen, But oh my
god, there was a robbery with the same exact MLL three days later,
right, And so now you have the software that's tracking these incidents so that
you can manage your criminal management better. And it was brilliant and it probably
saved a lot of money. But yeah, the United States wrote Michael Rocono
Schudo wrote a back door into it, and they sold it to everybody.
Even Israel got it. So who is the power that did that? Well,
it was a Department of Justice, but you know, you got to
wonder who in the Department of Justice ordered that. I mean, that's like
really a very big criminal act. And not to mention that they stole the
software from Hamilton and never paid them to dine. I mean, you know,
anyway, the octopus may still be at large here. I don't know.
I think that it was incorporated finally into corporate organized crime, is what
I'm thinking. That they by the time that Castelera was murdered, they were
fully active. But I believe by the early two thousands they had done what
everybody else did and just created shell corporations and had everything funded in through that
way. And they could you know, because they just took everything corporate,
so you know, they no way they could never get caught, nothing could
ever track back to them. That's right, and it's just skeletons back there
anyway. So you know that the CIA has software and has had software since
the early nineteen nineties that tracks every single flight above fifty feet in the United
States. They know where every flight is, where it's going to eat up
to fifty feet above the ground. So they know where every single plane that
has drugs is landing. They know where every single plane that has guns is
landing. They know every all of it. They've filed it for years.
So you know, you've got to take that into account. You know what's
going really going on here? And well, I think they did a sort
of like a can't beat them, join them type of thing, because it
really starts in the drugs really start in Florida with the cocaine, and they
found out the more that they would take down these drug cartel people, another
one would just pop up so they couldn't stop it. And they're like,
okay, well, how do what do we do? Well, we'll just
we'll be the ones. We'll just hold it in. Yeah, we fold
it into our company and take all the profits. You know, that's why
the drugs get in. I mean, that's because is all part of the
it's all part of things. That's why they're not salting the vatanyl. That's
probably you know, who knows how much influence the octopus had on, say,
the drug cartels, right, because the octopus is moving literally tons of
cocaine in and out of Columbia right, moving it into Florida and Arkansas,
right, So they you know, they had to have known all the cartel
leaders, I mean how much influence. And I mean didn't thought cartels really
not get strong until after Octopus was created in nineteen eighty. I mean,
it's what it looks like. I don't remember any cartels before nineteen eighty.
All of a sudden in nineteen eighties, there's cartels everywhere, and they're armed
to the teeth. Who's selling them the guns? You know? Well,
you know it's the octopus. The octopus is The cartels are bureaucratic, corporate
offshoots of the original clandestine operation. And that's why they're not never stopped because
you could easily stop these cartels. I mean, we know right where they
are. You go in there and drop a bomb on them, or do
some syops and make everybody suddenly have a migraine inside their houses and stuff.
We have all sorts of stuff they could do, but we don't do it.
And you know, you have to ask yourself why. And I'm sure
Danny Castilero was wondering why the cocaine was flooding in, and he knew exactly
where it was flooding in from, and he knew that this octopus was behind
it all, and you know, and then you have to ask yourself,
you know. So when he died, the police arrive and they take his
body, and the maid comes in. There's no crime scene at all.
The may comes in and cleans the entire motel room. After they take the
body out, they don't come into any forensics. The may cleans up the
house. You don't tell me not to touch anything. They don't put the
yellow tape over the door or anything. And then they cremate his body,
you know, and the family didn't give permission for it. His brother plays
an integral part in this documentary, and his brothers was like, oh,
dude, and of course it's super suspicious. And we really don't know who
Danny was going to meet. And another thing, if you are an investigative
journalist and you're going to meet someone in the middle of the night and two
things. Bring a friend, bring a gun. You're going to be and
you don't know who you're meeting and you don't know what's going to happen to
you. Well, I think you did ask one of his friends or maybe
able to his brother to come with him to meet this person in Mertinsburg,
West Virginia, and they said no, or that they couldn't or whatever.
So I think he knew. It's just said. I don't think anyone wanted
to go with him. Yeah, well that it must have been a horrendous
thing. So, you know, in a lot of ways, to send
a chill through the entire journalism community at the time, and we were all
terrified. I had a radio show and I was covering all sorts of super
controversial stuff that no one was covering, and we were all, you know,
it was a chill. It was a serious chill through the whole community.
And I'm not sure we ever recover, to be honest with you,
the sense of freedom that we had before nineteen ninety one. It never really
came back, except maybe in the early years of YouTube where they were free
wheeling and letting us all talk and everything. But it kind of kind of
scared everybody so bad that everyone said, you know what, I'm just going
to cover you know, sports and entertainment or something, because you know,
this is getting too dangerous. And I think we all knew that it was
foul play, even even the normies had to have suspected that this could not
possibly have actually happened. And I know there is oh well, he was
two hundred thousand dollars in debt and all this. I know, guys like
Danny Castelaria, they don't they don't give a rats ask about how much in
debt they are. They're living, they're living their life and they don't care,
and they don't I know, guys will just pay the credit card with
credit cards with credit cards, and they're all crazy and they're all doing what
they want to do, and they're highly intelligent. And Danny Castlero fits right
into that bracket. So I don't think he killed himself at all. Don't
even have a smidgeon of a chance it now, whenever I guess it kind
of reminds me of Pat Price as well. They did almost the exact same
thing with Pat Price whenever he was found dead in in California. He was
a remote viewer for SRI International in eighty five, I believe is when he
was found dead in California and they cremated his body without telling the family about
it. He got a big life insurance policy before he died. The night
before he died, he called all of his family members and told them cryptically
that goodbye, you know, and a man with a briefcase came in and
took his body away in a suit and all this stuff. So it's a
really strange coincidence. Now, whenever you talked to Michael Racana Shudeo, what
did he did he give you any more information about Danny? Did anything like
that or in? Yeah, he was. He was one of those really
kind of super fast talkers trying to crab as much. I think because he
was on a prison phone. I think it was a limited call. I
can't exactly remember it was thirty three years ago, but I think it was
like we had a half hour something like that, and that was all they're
going to allow him to have, and so he was just like just tearing
through it. And I didn't have a tape recourse, so I was writing
everything down as fast as I could, and he knew I had a radio
show in Seattle, and so I think he was really trying, you know,
to he wanted to me to help him, basically is what he wanted.
And so I was, you know, firing off as many questions as
possible. At first, I tested him to see if he really was a
good programmer, and he was. I mean, he really knew how to
do assembly. Assembly is the hardest. It's machine language, so it's seriously
difficult, as anybody out there knows. They don't even think they do assembly
anymore. But then after a while he started saying stuff about well, I
was over at right Pat, I think, he said, and they were
asking me to WRITELL this software for their UFOs, and I think, you
know, I said, wait, wait, wait what and then he he
said, yeah, yeah, they're building UFOs flying saucers over at right Pat
in Area fifty one. And I go in there and I do operations for
him, and I said, I've stopped him. I said, well,
you know you're saying UFOs are you Are you saying like alien UFOs or these
are aliens? And he goes, well, now, there probably are aliens,
but these are I don't think these are aliens. This is our stuff
and so I went on because I'd already been told a couple of years earlier,
in eighty nine by a high up at NASA that they had craft and
that they were all man made and man built, and there were UFOs,
and most of the UFOs that people see are their craft, and they didn't
say they're the government has it. We now know it was a Navy program
about NASA was also run by the Navy. The Navy get it the Navy,
and then so then you know and so and so I really I would
say that the reason there has not been another Office of Naval Intelligence president until
Trump, so Olive, Reagan, Olive Bush to know Clinton, all of
Clinton. So it's eight eight sixteen years, and then Bush on two and
that's eight year, so that's twenty four years. Then Obama is eight year,
So thirty two years between Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump. Now, why
do I think Donald Trump is an Office of Naval Intelligence candidate or a person?
Well, first off, the CIA absolutely hates and we know that,
and we know that Obama ordered the CIA to disrupt his life in twenty fifteen
when he said he was going to run. But the real reason is because
it's well known fact that the guy who asked Trump to run in twenty fifteen
is former, maybe not former Office of Naval Intelligence officer Steve Bannon and everybody
around Steve Bannon, Jack Prosobic and all those other Office of Naval Intelligence right
since they're operating an insurrection, so not about it. The Office of Naval
Intelligence is right now involved in an insurrection against the politicians backed by the CIA.
That's what's going on in front of us. It seems like a war
between two factions of people, and they're kind of fighting for control based off
of what you're saying there. Now. They can never let Trump in because
Trump will Uh. This time, there's no way Trump will. Uh.
Every rock will be overturned, every every file candidate will be opened. Everything
will happen. Uh, There's no doubt about it. In fact, I
would say from reading between the lines that Steve Bannon has created an army of
people that are ready to go in there and do all of this. He's
intimating that if you follow it. I don't really follow him that much,
but people send me little snippets of what he says, and he's the only
one being open about the Baltimore Bridge bombing too. He's the only one that
had Laura Logan on it said that it was definitely, you know, uh,
a cyber attack. So well, I mean, that's the reason why
he's not going to win the presidential election. There's no way it's not going
to happen. It's never going to happen. So anybody of the things said
that it is is not so guaranteed it ain't gonna happen. Now. Whenever
it came to because how you got to watch the entire documentary was when this
lady came on and was talking about the zu Bruder film, which I found
this very suspicious. It was this lady right here, and it kind of
came up out of nowhere. You know, this whole documentary is revolving around
you know, Danny Castillero, Micro Racona, Schudo, the Christian, Kristin
Hanson, the creator and the maker of the documentary, and they're going into
all these murders, and then all of a sudden, randomly, we kind
of seems like it's just inserted into the entire documentary. We get this lady
that's talking about the zu Bruder film and she says that she saw a version
of the Zubruder film that showed the driver of the limousine turning around and shooting
JFK in the side of the hat, and that this was the the real
version of the Zubruder film and the other version that everyone else got is a
fake, altered version. Yeah, that was kind of a mind blower because
it was clearly out of the blue, did not belong with the movie at
all, and it's like a five minute diversion, which seems really odd.
And furthermore, they kind of so the pedigree of this whole thing is Around
that same time, around nineteen ninety one, researcher and writer Bill Cooper,
whom I knew, was running around on the circuit showing a version of the
Zubruner film that was terrible. It was a copy of a copy of a
copy. I saw it. I went to the lecture, I saw it.
I talked to him afterwards. And we know the driver because we now
in JFK, actually have the enhanced version, the best version ever, four
K version of the Zubruterer film, which is the main reason you guys got
to see it, because nobody hows that one. And we can clearly see
that the driver has both of his hands on the wheel, but he does
turn around and look at JFK before the thing that happens. And in fact,
as soon as JFK does this movement, everybody except for Jackie is pinds
their head turned around and is looking right at JFK. So what I suspect
is that the bad copy was the driver turning around and then a flash of
light which is there, which would be about gun angle size. I think
that's what you see, because here's the problem with that whole theory. First
off, everybody would see it, right, I'd be really loud right.
Secondly, the driver is on the left. If we're looking at the car,
the driver's on the left side and Kennedy's on the right side. To
hit Kennedy on the right side of the head, you couldn't do it from
that angle. You could get him here on the other side, you could
get him, but you couldn't get this side of the head from over there.
It's impossible to think about it. Reach around and try to imagine if
there's somebody two car seats behind you, it's all the way over to the
other side. How are you going to get your gun around to get him
here, which clearly is what happens, So it's a nice and you would
also have to miss uh good that part. Yeah, you would have to
miss what's his name though? And his wife, Yeah, you'd have to.
Yeah. They would have to be perfectly positioned so they're not in the
way, which means they'd probably have to be part of it. So you
know, that's it's an outlandy theory. The good copies don't show that.
I take a variance with this idea that there's severals of Bruder films running around.
I've never seen any. I've seen just the one, never seen any
others. There's frame count, you can look at every frame and see where
it's at, and you know, and the other thing about the Zabruder film
that I really think needs to be debunked is the idea that in nineteen sixty
three that they had the motion picture industry had technology that they could do things
that they can do today. They could, they didn't. It was it
was very difficult to make effects in those days. Everything had to be physical.
There was air brushing. But when you consider that the frame of sixteen
millimeters about that big, you know, it's pretty hard to imagine how you
would airbrush that. Now I would say that they go, oh, you
blew the frame up, you airbrushed it, and then you reduced it again.
Okay, I guess that could happen, but that would be the only
way it could go down. In those days, you know, there wasn't
there was Hollywood would be using every tool and invention that they could find to
make movies. And so they didn't have it. I mean they didn't I
know the technology, and I know they didn't have it. So did they
do something to the film after the splice at frame two o seven? Yeah,
yeah, they put it through an optical printer, thank you, an
optical printer, and they made a traveling mat of the limousine with the people
in it, and they mode it, struck it down in size, and
lowered it right when the shooting happens. And that's all. It's just a
very simple way to hide what's going on without it looking to unless you really
know your optics. No one ever saw it. I mean, as far
as I know, four or five people have noticed that the people in the
background are as big as or bigger than the people in the limousine, which
cannot be by the law of physics, but not very many other people noticed
that, And so again this is all connected. So weird. The fact
that they stuck that in the film is just so weird because it's just doesn't
fit. And it's almost like they were told to put it in. That's
what I'm wondering. Well, even the lady's reaction to it, it's almost
like it came out of left field. She was kind of like, oh
oh, and there's a film. Yeah, So it's like it was really
strange, right, a strange diversion for them to take in the middle of
that film, and it doesn't fit with anything, but it is an attempt
to debug KX at the same time, you know, And and I mean,
I'm pretty sure that the intelligence agencies run Netflix are released the programming,
and so I think they just said, well, oh yeah, just footage
here. Why don't you just keep it in, you know, let's just
keep it in, because I mean, Netflix and Hulu seemed to be then
the main people that are trying to debunk JFKX. I mean, so I
don't know, I'd have to look at and who owns Hulu Disney Disney,
Yeah, Disney. So there you go. And we know who Disney is,
and so there you go. Yeah, so you know, Disney was
the first first film production to uh uh uh broadcast NASA before NASA was even
created. Berner, von Braun and Disney, Walt Disney got together and made
a documentary that was shown on National TV. It was incredible, and it
had all fake footage in it of going up into outer space and and and
everything and and and then Berner later is working with Kubrick, you know,
in the NASA East, which is London, which is where all the highest
ranking NASHA NASA people came to visit. And I heard this interesting theory that
maybe NASA wasn't busy viiting Kubric on the set of two thousand and one for
Kubric to learn how to make the food fake the moon landing. Maybe NASA
was trying to learn from Cubric how to fake the moon landing. Double double
got to hit them with a double double. Yeah and yeah. So anyway,
the sad tale of the clandestine origins of this super intelligence agency, you
know, goes back to this war between the CIA and the O n I,
and that war created a third intelligence agency that we don't even know or
anything about them. Except for what we learned during the Iran contray scandal,
which was that they were running drugs and guns for money, and then it
went completely obscure again. And you can't tell me that they just went out
of business because Danny Castelario is using their exactly names and his book on the
Octopus, so you had the exact people that were involved. Well, that's
another thing that makes you wonder, like and see that it's not a suicide
because his briefcase, his documents, and everything that he was working on was
missing from his hotel room. Yep. Yeah, that's not what a writer
does. The writer doesn't get rid of all their stuff that they've been working
on for ten years and then kill themselves. It's just not how it goes.
It's pretty outsides. He had what nine slashes on one wrist and seven
on the other. You lose your you lose your ability to move your hand
and your arm once you cut that tend in there, and you're al will
just flop down at that point. You won't even be able to lift it
or anything. So even that should have been, you know, a cause
for concern when they did the autopsy, but they didn't do an autopsy.
They just burned the body, cremated the body, so really suspicious and you
know right outside of DC where you know, all the operatives are and and
uh, yeah, sad thing man, really sad thing and Riconda shootout.
He's not out of jail. I don't know what he's doing. Maybe you
should try to get an interview with him, that would be cool. Well,
it's interesting to the Towards the end of the documentary, they're like,
you know, the filmmakers are kind of like, yeah, we're going to
wrap this up. We're kind of at a dead end and all this,
and then Michael Riccona Shudo calls him and is like, hey, you know,
this is what's going on. I'm getting ready to tell you the actual
truth of what's happening. What do you think that he was going to tell
them? Do you think David is going to tell them about the the UFO
stuff? And I think he was going to tell him about the fact that
he was working in the secret space program back in late eighties, and they
they probably he probably did tell them. They just you know, I'm not
going to touch that with a ten foot pool, and or they were ordered
by whoever the guys are at Netflix to stay away from that, and so
they did. And so he was working, you know, on all these
blackout projects. And he was like the perfect guy because he was like a
super genius and super eccentric. You know, he liked to he liked his
drugs, and he liked his women, and you know that's the way it
was. And typical intelligence guy. You mean clandestin space operations, Yeah,
because I mean so in nineteen ninety one, I mean there was almost nobody
talking about like a secret space program. I'm sorry about that. J Clandestine
space operations, not what he just said, just a secret space programmer.
I think you mean clan Dustine space, clandestine space program, what we're calling
SSP now, whatever it was. And again, you know, you go
back to this octopus. It starts up in like nineteen eighty. Reagan's elected
in nineteen eighty. Reagan is the number one guy behind the clandestine space operation.
He writes about it in his diary. I was told today that we
have a ship that can go into outer space, that can hold two hundred
people. That's what he says in his diary. Right, And then we
know Gary McKinnon hacked the Pentagon and found out that there was all these ships
up there named after admirals, maybe right old admirals, including the the guy
who was the first head of the CIA. And then he gets harassed for
the next ten years by the American intelligence agencies trying to get him out of
England and into the United States, where he would certain have roasted for the
rest of his life in jail. And so we know that, and we
know that they were active, and yes they would be getting you know,
they're the top highest IQ people to work for him. A lot of the
uh as David politis the Missing four one one writer. He told me a
lot of the people that are missing that are never found are people who with
super high IQ's. He said, they just walk into the forest one day
and then they're never seen again. And a lot of them are scientists.
One guy was a top physicist at University of Washington in Seattle, and he
he goes to the Olympic Forest, which is this really dense forest, amazing
absolutely amazing forest in Washington State. And he gets out of the parking lot
and he's wearing you know, an Olympic forest. It's like always forty degrees
in raining he gets out of the car. He's wearing polka dot shirt,
a shorts of pink socks, and blue shoes and he says Hi to every
person in the parking. Hi, I'm going up that trail today and I'll
be back tonight. And everybody's like, woll this weird guy? What's he
doing? You know? And then he goes up the trail. He's never
seen again. And you know, you got to wonder if that guy wasn't
making himself super conspicuous so that his absence would be noticed, right, And
So I think that a lot of this is what's going on. I think
that I think that, you know, people like Jack Parsons, who supposedly
blew up in his basement making chemicals, I think he's probably taken into this
clandestine program. I think that a lot of that kind of stuff is going
on, because they can either fake your death or they can just make you
missing. Either way does the exact same thing. Now, what do you
think do you think that Bill Cooper was tossing around and showing people a fake
version of the Zubruta film? Where do you think that he was showing a
just a really bad copy of the Zabruta film, because Bill Cooper is responsible
for a lot of nonsense that went arong with from the community that it tracks
back to freaking Paul Benowitz getting all this missing disinformation from the NSA and Air
Force Special Investigators. That's where Bill Cooper got the whole idea of contract with
the extraterrestrials between eyes an hour. You got that from Paul Minnowitz, which
you got it from ns agents Dodie and and Bill Cooper told me that he
said, I was in the Navy and I was on watch uh and I
saw two UFOs fly out of the water right and he reported it and and
the and the uh O n I took Bill down into a room and he
filled out his entire report and told him what he saw. And then they
pulled out a book, he said, a picture book, and he said
here, look look at all the UFOs. And Bill's looking at him and
he said, yeah, they're aliens and they're invading. And he said that
They sat there and told him the whole story, and then he went out,
and you know, they'd done clearly done a profile on him, a
psychological profile. Knew he was a blabbermouth knew that he was just tell everybody,
and so they used him. He saw the UFO, so it was
a perfect chance to use him. And you know they were probably Navy and
the UFOs of me and and so you know they took him out. And
again, look at what uh he's spreading. He's spreading that the driver shot
Kennedy, not that the Office of Naval Intelligence is helping Kennedy escape. No,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I want that one. No, the driver somehow can whip his arm all
the way around and shoot Kennedy with nobody seeing it and nobody hearing it and
not hitting Johnson or Connolly and his wife. So yeah, I think it
was Bill Cooper was the Navy having fun, playing fun and games with him,
and they do that all the time. And uh, you know,
it's not an accident that he came out of the Navy and the Navy told
him that. By the way, on that same kind of subject, I'm
gonna forget the guy's name now, he's a Canadian. I can't remember his
name now. Anyway, he's the very first guy to start pushing the modern
version of the flat Earth. He was a stand up comedian after he came
out as a flat earther. He was terrible. But he was a contract
worker with NASA, is how this all got started. And he was working
down and believe in Texas and Houston, and his story is is that one
day he got called into a meeting with these really top people at NASA and
he was like, wow, these are like the top people here. They
want to meet with little old me, and they laid out a map which
looked just like the UN logo. He said and said, this is the
real shape of the Earth. It's flat, and it's a secret. We
don't want anybody to know about it. And what did he do? He
quit. Two weeks later, he's telling everybody on Earth everywhere that the Earth
is flat. And he gets that other guy, I forget his name now
too, Eric, Eric, remember his name. He lives over in Thailand.
He's now. He told him that he started blabbing it all over and
you can see it all goes back to this one guy from Toronto who was
given all the information by NASA. He says, that's a dessumption operation.
That's what they did to Paul Benowitz as well. They gave him they told
him to keep quiet. About all this information. Don't tell anybody, And
of course, what's the first thing that somebody's going to do. Whenever they
get this explosive, wild information, they go out and tell everybody about it.
And then that gets the mythology a rolling. I mean, whenever you
track back almost all of the extraterrestrial stuff, you can see that it came
from Paul Benowitz. Paul Benowitz and Bill Cooper, That's who it came from.
And they were both influenced by A. Benoits by Air Force intelligence and
by Bill Cooper in Naval intelligence. And who's running the clandestine saucer program Probably
the Navy and the Air Force, I would imagine. So that's how it
is. And you know, just as an aside, I think I'm gonna
tell this story, just because it's never been told. I once had a
friend who was super high up in scientology. He was a banker, and
he would he loved my movies and he would give me money, had tons
of money. He would give me money to help me finance my movies.
And he was really into conspiracy and everything. And uh, he said,
I was talking to him one time, and we're talking about l Ron Hubbard,
who was Office Naval Intelligence, and I was saying, well, scientology
was started by you know, Office and Naval Intelligence officer l Ron Hubbard,
and he said yeah, yeah, yeah, And he said, well,
you know the origins of scientology and the E meter. The E meter is
the thing that reads your mind. You put your hands on these cans.
And how much money did you make last year? You say thirty thousand.
I goes bing bing bing, you know, okay, forty five thousand,
right, And you know, because it knows when you're lying light. Anyway,
he told me that after World War Two that the Navy it had such
a problem with homosexuality during World War Two on the Navy boats that they signed
l Ron to find a way to cure people of homosexuality. I'm like what
and and he said, so he invented the E meeter. He probably didn't
invent it, you know, he says he did. And then when we
have recruits come, we say, you know, do you like women,
you know, find out whether they're gay or not. And I said,
well, I mean did it work? He said no, so it didn't
work. He said, thenk you still get by and I will, oh,
okay, And he said but then Elron took it, you know,
public with Scientology. Uh and and it's I said, you know, to
me, Scientology looks like a giant intelligence gathering operation. And he said,
it is, that's what it is. And this guy was in the Navy,
by the way. And and so you know, just think about a
perfect intelligence gathering operation that is every week. You know, you're paying two
thousand dollars a month to come in every week and take your little courses.
You see a thing unusual this week? Right, and you know, no
bing bing, Yeah you did. What did you see? Yeah, I'm
pretty sure you're telling them about something that you saw. They're all getting written
down collated into a computer system. And uh. And that's why you never
go to Scientology. You stay as far away from them as you can.
But that's also so they invented a gator. That's pretty much what you see.
You said, Yes, if I have absolutely no problem with gay people,
they can they can do whatever they want. There's actually some during the
Navy. Yeah, whatever they want to do, they can do. I
got no problem with some of the gay people that I met at some of
the nicest people that you know that I've ever met, some of the most
smart, smartest people I've ever know, we're gay, So and those are
the things that I value in people, is intelligence and creativity. So yeah,
there was nothing to do with that. I just thought it was interesting
that the Navy was so interested in and rooting it out at the end of
World War Two that they invented this whole entire psychological program, which interesting that
it didn't work, you know, because I know it didn't work because I
know guys that were in the Navy that were gay, so they obviously it
didn't work. So I wonder. It makes me wonder if scientology even works
or it's just an intelligence gathering of Well, you got a lot of connections
between scientology and through letter organizations. A lot of people that were a part
of the Remote Viewing Stargate project were supposed scientologists. How put Off is a
known scientologist. Miss North here says, so a high level scientologist was funding
your projects. Jane, When did you did you know from the beginning that
he was a high level scientologist. Yeah, yeah, I knew his high
level scientology. He was really into alchemy. That's how we met, and
so, you know, we had a bunch of talks about alchemy and then
I said, I really need money to go travel to look up all this
stuff, and he wrote me a check for twenty five thousand dollars right on
the spot. And I was able to, you know, go travel to
France and Peru in Italy. And I'm sure that they were watching me.
I mean I was followed everywhere I went in France. Okay, I saw
the same people, Like I was all over France for two and a half
months, and I kept seeing the same people across from me. Then I'd
see him in another city, you know, following me down the street or
in a car driving by. And yeah, you know, the for some
reason, alchemy attracts the intelligence world. I'm not sure why. Well that's
how scientology works, right, don't They like kind of stalk you a little
bit and figure out everything about you and then try and bring you in for
an initiation. Yeah, isn't that the way it works? Yeah? And
you know, and guess what he wanted me to do on my travels.
Every two weeks, I had to file a report and mail it to him.
So there you go. I mean, I knew what they were watching
me. I didn't care because I didn't have any money and I wanted to
do this research. I had a lot of little bit of Danny Castelero in
me too, where money is the least important thing that I'm worried about,
more interested in the work I'm doing. And that's why I know that Danny's
the real deal. And yeah, so I did have a high level of
scientology looking in to me. I've been told that, you know that I've
had every major agency has gigantic files on me. That's what I've been told
by someone whom I'm close to in the FBI. So when I went to
school with told me that I have a gigantic file at the FBI on me,
What can I do? You know, I didn't mean to set out
to go do that, but I'm just interested in the same kind of subjects
that would get me to have a file. You know, I want to
know what's really going on, and I'm kind of relentless at it, and
so I'm you know, I'm raising alarms probably all the time right now,
the Biden administrations asking Google to send anyone who's viewed whatever these sites are that
they gave them a list of send their IDs to to the FEDS. Right
now that happened what yesterday. So you know, I don't know how many
sites I visited that are on that list. I probably almost all of them.
And so you know, I'm moving up to another list now, and
uh, you know, it'll just keep growing. And at the same time,
they watch people like us because we gather information, and that's what they're
doing. They're intelligence agents and the gathering information. And so if by watching
us they're intelligence gathering, they're just using us as there as their workhorses.
Right, well, they're not going to find nothing on any of my computers
and my phones. I do it all from the head, baby, and
that's all it goes. I don't have any on my computer. Way,
man, I'll put anything on my computer. I keep a notebook. That's
exactly right. You don't ever save any of your passwords to any of your
devices over never, no way. I'd never if I even get remotely close
to a porn site, I start turning off my computer. That's another thing
too, though, they truck you through those all those kind of sites.
They do. Never go to a porn site, never, And if one
accidentally gets on your computer, get it off as fast as you can because
they're timing. They're timing if you can say, well, I saw it,
I got it off in one second, right, But if you let
it linger, you're going to get a visit. I guarantee it, especially
if it's a certain kind of porn, so they can take you down.
But you got to be careful, and I'm not. I do not fish
around on the Internet. I never go to the Dark Web or anything like
that. I know they're watching it, and I know as soon as I
do it, they'll be coming for me. So hacking into your stuff like
that, And that's relating to this documentary as well. But there's another documentary
that I wanted to bring up with you before we wrap up this evening because
I think that it's also very important to discuss, and that is the program
cons cults and kidnapping. And I believe I've talked about it a few times
on my show before, and this really shocked me. This one really shocked
me being on Netflix and as soon as I saw it, I was like,
Wow, this is exactly what all these secret space programs, all these
super soldiers talk about. It's the verbatim the exact same thing, them being
abducted in the middle of the night by men and they're put into an suv.
They're taking them to taken somewhere or their mk altrade and then they're sent
back to their parents. That's exactly what happens in this documentary. This is
the exact same thing. But it's a facility, it's a behavioral health it's
a operation. And and so I mean it was you that brought it up,
and it's a brilliant idea, is I mean? Yeah, in the
documentary they go to that one school and I think New York, But how
many other schools are there? How many are there could be hundreds of these
schools where they're taking kids. And by the way, every person that I
ever talked to that was in the Secret Space program told me that they were
bad kids. They were troubled kids, every one of them. Everyone said
it. So they would be exactly what they would do in this program because
that's who these kids are. There were troubled kids. The parents didn't know
what to do with them. This company comes to them, so we'll make
your kids better again. Just sign this document and give us a lot of
money. By the way, we're going to be over about two thirty in
the morning, we're gonna be all dressed in black. We're going to take
your kid from him, and you're not going to see him for a year
or two, and we're going to put him in an MK Ultra boot camp
program. But as you pointed out, writer, why couldn't they have cover
programs at some of these schools that we don't know about, where they actually
make them all think they are in a secret space program. They're so special,
and we took you into the secret space program and you're going to become
a secret space warrior astronaut. And you know, I mean, what a
great way to straighten out a defective kid, right, to make them think
that they're part of a big program. They're going to be an astronaut.
And Okay, well, I'm gonna start getting good grades and I'm gonna start
being good in school because I want I want to succeed in this. And
then you can we know that they can feed them false memories, so they
can feed them false memories or even false recreations. I mean, we don't
know how far these programs have real legal one. They're they're illegal, I
believe, and I believe that we need to on a state by state basis,
find out all the programs in our states and root them out, because
this is a really dangerous thing to be doing. This is and it's cultural
conditioning as well. You know, like a lot of these kids suffered a
lot of trauma within behavioral health programs and that affects them for their entire life.
Yeah, you know, like they were beaten, they were tortured basically.
And really a very interesting part about it that immediately got my attention.
It was in the very first episode when because We're Me and Jay are currently
working on a new documentary and it has to do with mk Ultra and the
film industry, and they said in the beginning of this documentary that they would
use Stanley Kubrick's the opening of Stanley Kubrick's two thousand and one of Space Odyssey.
They would put that on repeat over and over and over again. That's
a psychic driving technique, that is an mk Ultra technique, and the phrases
that they would be meant to repeat. And another wild part of this too,
Jay, is that they also had the parents just as mk ultrade and
brainwashed, is that they had the kids or more. I mean, those
parents were just like blind to what was going on and following her along with
it. I mean, it was insane. They knew that it was a
lie, but they were still following along with it. It's just like it's
like that program at Stanford where they, you know, took those guys and
turned into uh into robots kind of. I think that that's what this what
was going on here, they were like it was It was clearly a CIA
operation. I'm sorry, the whole thing was, and I mean, I'm
sorry, but it was the way that they were hiding show companies within shell
companies. That's exactly how they do it all the time. So I highly
recommend the program on Netflix. I can't believe that you did it Netflix.
I really want to thank you for that, because it does give us a
whole different version or idea behind the messing of the minds, causing people to
think that they were in some exalted program when they weren't, when they were
actually captured by a criminal company that was mind controlling them. That's exactly right,
and it's very easy to mistake one of these behavioral modification programs, and
as a special SSP program, I will even cause it this that let's say
there's thirty of these schools, right, and I'm schools jails really in America,
said, let's just pick a number out arbitrarily, say thirty. Each
one is each one of them is devoted to a different style of MK Ultra
program as an experiment. Right, That's what you would do. So some
would think they were in the secret space program, some would think they're taken
by aliens, some would think that they were in all sorts of different ways
that you could put this out, and all you would have as a result
is a bunch of traumatized, messed up minds running around telling stories, confusing
everything, confusing everybody, doing exactly what the CIA director William Casey said,
By the time we get done here, everybody, everything that everybody knows will
be confusion. That is the purpose of the program. And it kind of
goes into what your buzzman off was talking about to the KGB defector in the
eighties. I believe you know, I was talking about how the ways to
subvert an entire country. You know, you first take over the children,
yep, you brainwash the children, and then in a couple of generations,
the work will be done for you. That's right, and it's being done
right now. The children are so far gone that apparently Generation Alpha can't even
read. They're having trouble teaching them how to read. The kids that are
like seven or eight years old right now, probably because of the COVID MK
ultra operation, and so you know, we're raising a generation now that may
not be able to function at all in society. There's another documentary that came
out earlier that was called Hell Camp and the Teen Nightmare that was basically the
it's kind of the infancy of these teen behavioral modification schools and these boarding schools
or whatever you want to call them, and it started in the seventies at
this in Utah. But the basis for it was the exact same thing.
The kids are being abducted in the middle of the night at three am,
thrown into an suv. They were taken to Utah to go out in the
desert and hike for sixty days. Yep. Yeah, it's it's brutal,
and they is we have to make it illegal. Can't a lot of this
go on. It's really going to mess up society. But I mean,
it is brilliant that you extrapolated the secret Space program. Storytellers with this idea
of the program, and I gotta tell you that is that could be a
documentary. Actually, well, I mean it's it's even the same thing.
It's even called the program. And what are these secret space program people call
it as well? They call it the programs program. That's right, and
that's what it is. And how do I and and it seems like the
people that are involved in it, they'll be like, oh, well,
I know you from somewhere. You're very familiar. And it's the rope that's
to rope them into the the entire thing. And they talk about in this
documentary that it was very difficult for them to keep track of each other,
you know, it was hard to find each other because they basically cut off
communication between them, so you would have to remember all the people's full names
to be able to look them up later. And that's what all the secret
Space program people, Oh, I know you from somewhere. It's got to
be from the programs. Well, you're not talking about the secret space program.
You're talking about behavioral modification programs, is what you're talking about. That's
right, disguised as a secret space program, disguised as alien abduction, disguised
as all this other stuff. Who knows what they're really doing in these places
for sure? The uh, you know, they're all experiments. That's the
one thing we can all agree on. They're all experiments. Every kid was
an experiment. The whole thing was an experiment. Everything was an experiment.
Each kid had different stuff tried on them to see what effect it would have
later. And they're probably following tracking those kids still to this day probably and
then the parents too, so so weird and interesting. It was like very
ritualistic things that they would doing on these parents, Like they were making them
do like weird meditations. They were being like blindfolded, they were all like
holding hands, walking around in a circle and making them cross dress and like
all this weird stuff. I don't get that they're making the parents cross dress.
I just don't know about that. That's really strange. It is really
weird. And uh. I had Kathie O'Brien on the other day and she
was talking about how, you know, there's this extraterrestrial and alien mk ultra
program that's being ran on people to make them believe that it's extraterrestrials, and
they're using these extraterrestrials as scapegoats in order to cover up what the government is
doing and humans are doing to other humans. So they'll give them a holographic
image of an extraterrestrial or a reptilian or whatever, and then people that see
that I think that it's real, and then they go out and spread that
information when it's not real, so that it's covered up with, you know,
the government involvement. Yeah. Yeah, so on that saying, hell,
I want to finish with this. Annie Jacobsen was on Lex Friedman I
think the other day. She's a really really good journalist, and he asked
her about Roswell and she said that Roswell was stalin flying a remote control air
flying device over New Mexico with surgically deformed humans aboard to scare Americans into thinking
that there was an alien invasion. That's what she said. This is the
woman who wrote the the book on Area fifty one, right, and she's
an insider, insider, right, And that's what she said. Roswell was
think about that, and that's exactly why people tended to believe in the late
forties and into the fifties into the sixties, they were like, oh,
it's an alien invasion. All these weird and strange craft, the flying saucers
were all coming down from Earth. I mean, yeah, sure. She
said that Stalin got the idea from the War of the world's broadcast powers as
well. That's where the idea where this came from. And she was told
this by a super high intelligence agent that's her source for almost everything that she
has. She didn't say his name, but it's somebody high up. We
told her all of this stuff. That's where she all of her books are
from, this one guy who just tells her everything, right. I mean,
it's the perfect it's a perfect cover up, and it's it's the perfect
story. You know, you can just shuffle the blame onto something that no
one ever sees, no one exists, you can't argue with it, you
can't do anything about it. So it's a perfect cover story. It is
unbelievable. Well, Jenny, thanks so much for coming on. Really appreciated
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