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Big food and be on with Cliff
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USh today listening watching lim always keep
its watching and now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman

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and James Bubo Fay, Hey Bobo, how you doing excellent? How are

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you just hanging out doing my thing? Do you having a little podcast with

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you today? Looking forward to it. It's a Q and A as usual.

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Had a good trip to Michigan last
weekend. A lot of good folks

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out there. A great little event
for the first first first year event,

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really well run. Was it like
a multi paranormal crypted thing or is it

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just big Foot? It's just Bigfoot. Meldrum and Moneymaker and I were scheduled,

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but doctor Meldrim isn't doing jobs right
now. He's just focusing on his

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health and getting better, and so
Adam Davies stepped in. There's always a

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pleasure to see Adam. Yeah,
yeah, Adam rules. I love that

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guy, and of course Moneymaker rules
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God, he's the best. It's
always good to see him and catch

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up and find out what's going on
and hear about some of the stuff they've

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been pulling on expeditions and you know, all that sort of things. So

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it was it was great to catch
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I was going out to Laos tomorrow. We were heading out there.

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Just found out it burned down,
So tomorrow, huh. I would say,

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go anyway, like worst case scenario, just go camp somewhere else.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean there's
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Yeah. I mean, Bluff is
historic, but I mean it's not

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necessarily the best big foot spot.
There's lots of other places you can check

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out bigfoots nearby, you know,
and have a very reasonable chance. Well

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hey, well you know what I
keep forgetting that we actually have people listening.

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I totally forgot that. Yeah,
yeah, I forget that all the

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time. But that's part of the
thing here, you know. That's part

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of the reason we've been started this
podcast is because you and I kind of

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talk all the time anyway, and
people, for whatever reason care. So

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let's bring them in the conversation.
Because this is our October Q and A

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session for our public podcast. We'll
do a members one where only members are

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submitting questions after this, But for
now, let's get rolling with the regular

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questions from our fantastic higher than average
intelligence listeners out there. So because all

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of if you're listening to our show, you're clearly person of exquisite taste and

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high intelligence. So we really really
appreciate everybody listening. Thank you very much

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for all that sort of stuff.
And mister Matt Pruitt, why don't you

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pipe in the first question for us. Good evening gang, Little Dave from

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Alabama, quick shout out to Matt
Prewitt. I read the Phenomenal Sasquatch excellent,

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excellent book, Matt. I really
did enjoy it. My question for

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y'all is how come Bigfoot seems to
be in the mountainous regions with the exception

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of Florida. Is it because the
remoteness or do you think they were made

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to live in that style of environment? Just curious of your thoughts. Thank

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you boys, and y'all keep up
the great work. Thank you Little Dave.

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Well, I think that the Sasquatches
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couple reasons. I do think it's
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in mountainous regions. They live in
forested regions more than mountainous regions. I

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think that they're in the mountains because
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much of the habitat. But in
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mountains are still forests, and we
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especially swampy areas, yes, swampy
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comes down to the same thing.
Food. They those places. The forested

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regions hold the resources that sasquatches need
to survive, and that's why they're there.

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And of course mountains are great for
bigfoots, but I mean their feet

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are adapted especially well to traversing terrain
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They're very strong, they can power
up and down the mountains with very little

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efforts. They're very very good at
mountains. But they don't need mountains per

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se. They need the plant life, the cover, and the food that

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the mountains and the swamps and the
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And I think that's a that's a
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It's not the mountains, it's what
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of course the solitude or the remoteness
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part of it as well. They
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ruin things, like they pave things, and they build houses and they do

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things like that. So I think
that that is the focus. What about

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you, bobs, what do you
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with that. It's just where there's
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that's where they're at. I mean
there's a lot of shrub shrub. I

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mean it's kind of they'd like to
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whatever are at least over their head. Yeah, but I'm thinking I'm

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thinking like eastern Ohio, you know, like like up by Akron, not

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southeast, because there's mountains and whatever
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out by Akron it's not really necessarily
mountainous per se, but there are bigfoots

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in there. Oh yeah, yeah, they do like the topography, you

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know, the elevation chains and changes
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all the that's where the plants are
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are we don't know, of course, if sasquatches are predominantly carnivorous or herbivorous.

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I lean towards they mostly eat plant
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and where they can. But I
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that you know, they're eating the
plants, and they're eating the things that

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eat the plants, the deer and
the rabbits and all that other stuff.

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So they're just good at what they
do, man, And that's where that's

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where they choose to live. That's
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the most food resources are. And
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as far as mountains go. This
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don't want to I don't want to
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in forested areas more and you know, mountains tend to be forested. But

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the mountains give a distinct advantage as
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flat surface, a flat surface that
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certain number of square miles or square
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when you introduce mountains into that,
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it increases the surface area, It
increases the surface area on which to feed,

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because you know, when you raise
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area all of a sudden, so
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Hills and topography in general, mountains
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increases the surface area on which plants
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for all the animals. So maybe
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Like I think those different ecosystems like
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comes down at the bottom there's like
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there's a swamp. I love that
there's multiple environmentally, we get multiple food

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sources different times. They can vertically
migrate it down the mountains. Things in

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the spring they can follow the bloom
up absolutely all right, Well there you

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go, Davito, Little Dave really
appreciate it. I really appreciate your your

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questions over time. It's nice to
have regulars on the show as well.

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I think that's cool. So thank
you very much, And why don't we

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hop onto the next question. You
made a picture book of that of a

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phenomenal sasquash prout. I was going
to say, Dave, thanks so much

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for the kind words about the book. I'm just wondering how someone in Alabama

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wrote a book. Now I'm from
the South to them fighting. All those

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are my nemesis. Services say,
beat us in the national title game for

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what sport? College football? Notre
Dame part of the most dominant football team

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of all time college history, especially
modern history. Wait wait, wait,

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is that is that the Crimson Tide? Yes? Oh, look at me,

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But of course you know where I
know that from, Bobo when we

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were down there filming. And now, when we were down there filming,

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I heard it a lot go tight
or whatever they're saying. Yeah, role

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Tide. You know, I didn't
think it was laundry detergent or anything,

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but because I actually had a connection
Steely Dan the song Deacon Blues. Yeah,

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anyway, I thought that'd just throw
it out there, just messing with

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your little Dave. We love you, brother again. Thank you very much

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for the question. But mister Matt
Prutt Q up number two high Cliff,

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Hi, Bobo. I hope you're
both having an awesome day. I love

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the podcast and your work on finding
Bigfoot. I'm watching through season one right

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now before I go to bed at
night. My name is Bing and I

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live in North Queensland, Australia.
It's kind of a mix between Florida and

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Texas up here, or I guess
it's down here from where you goes are,

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but with flush tropical rainforest, it's
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My question to you, guys is
what's the craziest yowee story or report you've

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heard or read that's come out of
Australia. Thanks again, guys, and

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take it easy. We've been to
Queensland. Beautiful area, Holy smokes,

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it's great. People ask me all
the time, where would you like?

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You know, where's your favorite place
that you went to on finding Bigfoot?

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And I always say Oregon. That's
why I live here. I'm not wasting

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my time living somewhere where I don't
love. But if there is a place

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outside of my home where I always
where I would be willing and thrilled to

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go back to, it's definitely Australia. It is absolutely fantastic there in Queensland.

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Fantastic habitats for yaowei's or sasquatches or
whatever, and yeah, you know

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what you mentioned something. It is
kind of like Texas, and the people

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are kind of like Texans. They
appreciate a good barbecue. They'll give you

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some crap if they like you.
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similar to Texas in a lot of
ways, oddly enough. But yeah,

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what was the craziest Yaowi story?
There are so many because I think that

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the I think that the Yowi research
stuff. I mean, nowadays, there's

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a couple groups out there that are
doing really good work and everything, But

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until kind of recently, I kind
of felt that the Yowi research were a

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few decades behind the bigfoot thing.
They were still treating these things as monsters

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and cannibals and all this other stuff
and striking fear and like, oh they're

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they're dangerous or and I don't know, maybe that's true, but it's not

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doesn't seem to be panning out with
the data at this point. It seems

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that the Yaoui, whatever they are, whether they're the same species of sasquatches

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or something a little different, seems
to have most of the habits of sasquatch,

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you know, kind of shy,
and they tend to retreat or look

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at you if if you're of any
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they're the monsters and whatnot. That
the earlier Yawi researchers were, we're painting

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them as but I don't know crazy
Yaoi stories. But you're deeper into the

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Aoi thing than I am. What
do you have to say about that?

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There was that one where the sniper
team was out on there on It was

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Australian SAX or Special Forces green Bery
type guys. They went out, They're

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on maneuvers doing a exercise war exercise, and this sniper team it's you know,

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this thing comes in. They had
a ground sensors to that in case

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theyone approached them like they're set off
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Richter scale kind of thing, you
know, like like a draft park when

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the t rex is coming in and
it's all boom. So they were picking

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something up walking heavy on their perimeter, you know, and they can tell

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like when it's a kangaroo because that's
the biggest thing out there and it goes

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bump bump, you know, it's
like popping. This thing was walking bipedally.

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eight to seven foot and probably four
hundred pounds, but it was super fast

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and it would rush them and they
ended up they got They were shooting at

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it all night and they they don't
they don't couldn't tell if they hit it

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or not. They thought they hit
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didn't. It just it was screaming
a lot, so they didn't sure if

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they hit it or not, and
it didn't seem to slow it down if

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they did, and it was was
charging them. Had a built they built

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up a fire and built it up
real big, and it was trying to

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get them all night long. I
mean, I think I think the Alley's

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definitely have a I think they're definitely
capable of making people disappear down there.

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Well, definitely capable, But I'm
not habitually doing so. Yeah, I

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don't know. I don't know how
often it happens. But well, I

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know you're just saying like you think
it's overblown, and it's probably it was

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overblown, how scared of them they
were. But I still think it's like

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not unreasonable be a little bit afraid
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that all the time. You know, these are not your forest friends,

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as they're often depicted. These are
large, dangerous, wild animals and the

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scariest kind with like an intelligence,
you know, beneath but approaching human and

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with hands hands, you know,
that's that's hands don't make a good pet.

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This is like the worst kind of
wild animal in a lot of ways,

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and they're very potentially dangerous. You
should be very very cautious around them,

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you know, keep them at a
good distance. For example, we

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almost got this witness on our show. They were arriving their bicycle down to

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the Plaga kind of near the Queensland
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two of that, I guess,
I'm pretty sure it is anyways, maybe

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it's maybe it's a little further south, but it's famous on the as being

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like, you know, kind of
spooky, creepy place, and I think

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that's where this took place. It
was the They were riding down the main

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road like kind of like almost like
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that area, coming out of the
mountains heading down to the coast, and

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as they were riding along, this
big yahwi comes ripping out of the side

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and it's just growling and just coming
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the grab and they were pedaling faster
and fasterones thing just just getting up on

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him. And then a car came
around the corner started honking like when you

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know honking, just scared and it
scared off and veered off, and then

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there was someone disappeared there and there
was a I think it was a motorcycle

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was found nearby that the person had
been on and the person was just gone,

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no sign of them anywhere. So
is that the crazy story you have

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from from you know, Yawei Land. God, I've heard so many.

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There's that one in the book.
We talked, well, we talked to

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Paul Cropper, you know, we
went over to couple them like that one

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where the four guys were chased on
horseback the cowboys back in whatever it was

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like eighty years ago or one hundred
years ago. But they got chased for

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miles and miles and miles and it
chased them through the night for like eight

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hours. And in the morning when
they got up it remember they was throwing

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rocks at them. They had to
go past the spot where it was and

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it was stand up on the mountain. It was blocking their way out,

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is the only road out, and
was standing out there. And then they

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finally went road towards it and it
just disappeared at the end, but it

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haunted them all night, throwing big
rocks at them, and just that was

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a pretty scary one. Yeah,
but again pretty typical big behavior. This

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one sounded pretty like the way it
was throwing them, it sounds like it

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was trying to trying to seriously hurt
him or kill him. Are you saying

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before you don't you don't know anyone's
been hit with a big rock by one

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not a big rock. I know
people have been hit by small rocks.

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Turtle Mound got his rooms broke by
that went through the softball sized rock at

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him like super hard. Oh noah, you know that you mentioned it.

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I think that. Yeah, I
think I do remember him saying that.

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Actually, yeah, interesting in the
hospital. No, I guess I do

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know somebody then I love being wrong. Luckily it happens a lot. Oh

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you know what, This is a
little side note. I mean, this

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isn't exactly an addressing Bing's question here
from Australia, but I had a witness

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in the museum like last week or
something like that. Had a couple this

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week too from Malala, which is
great. One of them the Malala stuff

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happened right before the fire, because
Malala is pretty burnout at this point,

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right by that bridge, right what
is it the what is it glenn Avon

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Bridge? But I could be wrong. Yeah, something over there. And

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then another group like last year,
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in Malala. But that's not what
I want to bring up. There was

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a gentleman in the shop who saw
one in Oklahoma, you know, a

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few years ago, maybe twenty seventeen. He saw it from about sixty feet

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seventy feet away or something like that, across a small pond, and when

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he saw it, it was hitting
a tree with a stick, and then

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it saw him and then drop the
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So but anyway, I thought that
was cool. Again, most sighting

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reports are just where and when.
That's the great information unless they're doing some

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sort of interesting behavior like this one
was. And I thought that was kind

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of cool. So I just wanted
to bring it up real fast. I

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think that's my third third report.
I'd have to check third report of somebody

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seeing a sasquatch hit a tree with
a stick to make knocking noises. For

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how much it's reported, it's it's
incredibly observed, right, So I mean

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again, I don't quote me because
my memory is a little fuzzy. Just

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my memory is fuzzy on the inside
of my brain, just like it's fuzzy

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on the outside of my head.
But I believe I have three of three

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reports of them hitting sticks against trees
now and three reports of them clapping,

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so we'll see. But no reports
of them going with their tongue or anything

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yet. But how would you even
notice that, I guess if you're looking

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at a sasquatch. So I've definitely
heard another podcast where people who reported them

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a couple of more than where it
was doing that with their tongue. Stay

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tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with
Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back

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after these messages. When don't we
hop onto the next question here? Hi

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Bobo, Hi Cliff, A huge
fan of yours here in Colorado. My

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question is what do you think it
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we can observe these species up close? Do you think that we'll ever get

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to the point of being able to
have friendly interactions with Bigfoot kind of the

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same way that we're able to observe
deer or elk from a distance. Thank

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you so much, love your show
Finding Bigfoot, and love your podcast.

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Keep up the good work. All
right. That's Brianna from Colorado. Thank

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you very much for the question.
Sure appreciate it. As far as having

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a friendly interactions with him, that's
where I got hung up on the question.

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I don't think that's gonna happen.
I think that you're gonna have a

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lot of neutral interactions with them,
but friendly that kind of paints a different

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picture. And also, I'm not
so sure we're having friendly interactions with elk,

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you know, that might be a
stretch as well. To be honest

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with you, there may be circumstances
in the future after the species has proven

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to be real at locations where the
Sasquatches are frequenting, like probably rural homesteads

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more than anywhere else, that there
might be some sort of interaction that might

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be extended, I think, and
extended interactions in this case might be just

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a few minutes at the most.
I'm not sure we're going to be able

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to, you know, walk up
in high five of them or anything like

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that. At some point. I
think it's more like giftings, like the

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best you can hope for, yeah, gifting or maybe doing something of interest

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that they might feel comfortable, might
maybe sitting on the opposite hillside watching you

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or something. Yeah, I'm not
sure what other interactions might be available from

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them in that sort of way.
I'm trying to think. I'm kind of

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going through the other large animals.
Okay, friendly interactions with brown bears.

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Well, in all the friendly interactions
with brown bears, the brown bears,

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like the grizzlies, have been taken
at when there were cubs and raised by

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somebody. I don't think that's going
to happen with sasquatches. So what else?

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What are you thinking? Both?
So do you have any thoughts on

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this? I'm not so sure it's
going to happen. If she means like

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in a research sense, I mean, I'm sure we're gonna when we get

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better surveillance equipment, like cameras are
getting smaller, Like you know, there's

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way more Bluetooth stuff and Wi Fi. You know, the systems set up

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where they can capture a lot more
stuff. I think that that in a

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sense will bring us closer and be
able to observe more of it and have

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you know, like non violent or
aggressive encounters with like physical you know,

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human researchers. If the government somehow
got their hands on a wild you known

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adult, I don't think that thing
would ever really, you know, trying

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to bring into wild male chimpanzee and
domesticated, I don't think it's gonna work.

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I'm not so sure that's going to

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happen. I think if you've got
an infant, I think you could do.

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it. I reckon imagine the stress

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of getting an infant, like because
you know, mom's not far. Yeah,

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I don't think you could hold her
down, hold her back and then

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and as far. And they're maybe
not with the infant because they may not

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know any better. But like with
any sasquatch has been alive for a few

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years, there will be fear and
resentment in captivity. And I don't want

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a sasquatch that's around that's afraid or
resentful of me. They be studying it,

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going like they do this and this, and it's like, yeah,

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that's what one does. It's been
traumatized and completely and removed from a social

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environment and everything else. Yeah,
then you're going to get some you're not

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going to get like a natural acting
specimen. No, no, And you

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know, the good old studies and
the fossy studies and stuff kind of skews

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some of the possibilities I think with
sasquatches, because sasquatches are not these other

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ape species and they don't have the
same habits, they don't travel on the

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same size of troops and whatnot.
You're talking about maybe two or three individuals

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in a valley that's you know,
five and a half miles long, and

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that can just pop over the ridge
into the next valley that they also kind

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of own in their own territorial sort
of way. We're not talking about twenty

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or thirty individuals that are easy to
track and come up upon and stuff.

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So I don't know. I think
it's just kind of a waiting game.

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It's like doing something to bring them
back to the same place. But even

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these long term witnesses are so called
habituators and stuff. Some of the ones

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I work with at least that the
bigfoots come by, they're around for a

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couple of days, and they disappear
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There's one woman up in Washington near
the Olympic Peninsula that writes me every

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once in a while she says,
Yeah, they're gone for three to five

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years at a time, then they
come back and around for a few months,

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and then they disappear again. Now, as possible she's just not noticing

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that they're around, because sasquatches are
really good at what they do. But

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it also is possible that she's correct. And she also told me that you

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she can always tell when they're around
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time. Yeah, So I don't know.

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I think the inner friendly interactions,
it's going to be pretty tough.

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I think even extended observations, Like
if we downshift a little bit from friendly

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interactions to extended observations, those are
going to be exceedingly rare as well.

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It would take probably a great deal
of planning. Now, of course,

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there's a couple there's a couple of
people out there that we know pretty well

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that have sasquatches on or near their
property with some regularity, maybe once a

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month or something like that. They
notice that they're around, and these people

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are putting up cameras just surveillance cameras
on their house, and maybe a sasquatch

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will trip one of these. We
don't really know. We don't really know

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yet. The experiment is brand new, as in like a month or two

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ago, so you know, I'm
advising as i'm needed, although these guys

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pretty much much have it under control, and I'm just looking forward to seeing

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the results. So we'll see.
Maybe that will yield some repeated extended observations.

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But then again, extended, I'm
tripping up on my own words,

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because how extended can it be?
If the sasquatches are coming near the house

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occasionally, they're not going to hang
out of the house and like go in

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the sauna or something for a couple, you know, for ten minutes.

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They're just going to approach the house, trip out a little bit, and

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then leave most likely. And that's
not exactly extended, probably two or three

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minutes at the most. We've been
grappling with this for a long time.

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How do you get how do you
observe a sasquatch at all with your own

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eyes or on camera? How do
you do that? You know? And

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so far clearly no one has a
good answer for it. Number one's being

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out there as much as you can. Yeah, to catch a glimpse.

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Yeah, but then what do you
do for the next step? What do

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you do for the next step?
Yeah, I don't know, Brianna,

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you know a good question. I'm
afraid there is no good answer that I'm

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aware of yet. But maybe something
will happen. I don't know. It's

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particularly of that one. Well,
I don't feel like we did, but

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I think it's all we have.
Yeah, it's not an easy one.

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Those simple answer, that's for sure. I've got a simple solution all this,

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Matt Prude, give us a next
question. Hey, clipping, but

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woa, this is Bazil from New
Mexico. I just wanted to get your

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thoughts on the recently discovered, Well
recently in twenty twenty one discovered footprints in

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the White Sands area of New Mexico, ancient human footprints. And I know,

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Cliff, you're a footprint connoisseur,
and I just found those footprints very

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interesting in that the toes seem displayed
and they almost look fake, as do

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a lot of skeptics opinions of a
certain big foot footprints. Just wanted your

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thoughts in comparison with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom here from

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New Mexico is telling us about these
footprints that were discovered in white sands and

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what is it National Park or something
like that. It's in New Mexico anyway,

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and they're there there are they are
fossilized human footprints, essentially, and

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the big deal about them. They're
in the news quite heavily at this moment,

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and they have been for the last
maybe two weeks. The big news,

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of course is that if they're dating
these footprints correctly, it pushes back

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the presence of Homo sapiens in North
America pretty significantly. Like most recently they

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most folks that the accepted paradigm has
been that that sasquatches, that humans have

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been in North America, you know, fourteen to fifteen thousand years, give

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or take a little bit, right
that another thousand years, you know,

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so fourteen fifteen thousand years. But
these footprints they use some dating methods here,

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and these footprints indicate that well,
they are human prints, of course,

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and these things have humans have been
here for twenty to twenty three thousand

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years. And that's a big difference, huge, yeah, huge difference.

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And of course, I mean,
I'm sure of our native listeners are going,

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well, duh, even longer than
that, and then yeah, very

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very likely. But of course,
but you know, we're waiting for scientists

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to catch up on a lot of
things, and of course are scientists look

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at evidence. So it's very likely
humans have been here for very, very

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much longer than that, but we're
looking for evidence of that. And I

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can understand that. I'm an evidence
kind of guy too. These are controversial,

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not only because it kind of upends
the paradigm that humans have been here

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for you know, fifteen thousand years
and now twenty one thousand years, Well

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that's kind of a long time.
But I guess part of the controversy is

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also how they dated these things.
They did carbon dating, I guess on

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some of the plants that were in
that strata, if I remember the article

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correctly. And so that's a little
bit of controversy there, and some scientists

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are saying, no, you got
it wrong. You can't do that.

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So now they're trying to find other
methods narrowing in that date. And I

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think if they get two or three
or four different methods all showing that date,

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then they really really have something there. And they may have it now.

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I just don't know, because these
are human prints. But I guess

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really Tom was asking something about the
morphology of them more than anything, I

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think, but very very interesting stuff. They do look a little funny.

405
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.440
And when I look at these,
obviously, like my news feed is kind

406
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.920
of geared towards what I like,
right, just like all of ours is.

407
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.839
And when you look at the footprints
in the ground, I keep thinking,

408
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:12.759
you know, these fossilized footprints.
I always look at them again and

409
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.799
say, you know what, if
these were sasquatch prints, no one to

410
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.480
believe them because they look so wonky. And I agree, I agree,

411
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.559
I think that's the case. I
think that they do look wonky. But

412
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:26.279
it also goes to say something about
footprints in general, that a lot of

413
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.440
these people who say, oh,
that footprint line is fake because the way

414
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.519
it looks, well, i'll say
it again that these people don't have a

415
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:41.319
lot of experience with footprints, because
even these human prints, these are almost

416
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.160
sapian footprints. They show longitude and
large. The toes are more displayed because

417
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.640
they're not wearing shoes. Obviously they
weren't habitual shoe wearers, most likely at

418
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.200
least certainly not the shoes that we
have today that kind of tame the foot,

419
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.559
that kind of bring the foot in
and make sure that the toes are

420
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.079
doing what they need to do.
So but the people who are saying,

421
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.880
oh, that's not a Sasquatch print
because it looks so different than all the

422
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:10.559
other, well, look at more
footprints human or otherwise, especially archaeological finds

423
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:15.519
of footprints, because those are really
instructive on the flexibility of the human foot

424
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:19.400
that has never worn shoes. So
yeah, very very interesting find, very

425
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:25.559
very instructive in a lot of ways, especially for Sasquatch researchers, because you

426
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.079
can see how flexible even a human
foot can be if not constricted inside the

427
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.799
confines of a modern shoe. And
yeah, they do look wonky, and

428
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:40.839
there is a lot of variation from
footstep to footstep as the toes move and

429
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.000
splay and they're slipping and sliding and
all this other stuff. And now when

430
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.200
you take a sasquatch print and compare
it to a human print, it should

431
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.440
be even more wonky because human prints
are you know, humans have a pretty

432
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.400
rigid foot, even these ancient humans
who never wore shoes. Now a sasquatch,

433
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.680
their feet are I very often say, and I'm maybe I'm only approximately

434
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.160
right, but I know I'm at
least a little right. Sasquatch feet are

435
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.880
probably almost as flexible as our hands
are, and the toes are almost as

436
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.319
long as our fingers, if not
as long as our fingers. And so

437
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:22.160
imagine a big, soft, flappy, flexible thing like that with some rigidity

438
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.640
in structure. Don't can me wrong. It's not like a well to you

439
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:30.640
maybe, but imagine I'm not saying
that these things are like, you know,

440
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.200
flippers or something like that, but
there is structure in there and whatever,

441
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.799
especially the muscles and all that has. But imagine a big, soft,

442
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:45.319
padded flexible thing that can move like
your hand can. Making footprints in

443
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:49.759
the ground, there will be a
huge variety of impressions shapes of impressions step

444
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:55.960
to step, and these ancient human
prints kind of point that direction, even

445
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.720
more so because these are human prints
that are not as flexible that with humans,

446
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.480
wort of have as flexible as feet, and Sasquatch prints are just on

447
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.799
another level altogether. Word word right. Thank you Bobo for chiming in.

448
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.160
So yeah, cool stuff, Tom. I think this is a fantastic a

449
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:17.000
fantastic find very instructive, even though
these are clearly human prints, very instructive

450
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.880
on the study of Sasquatch feet and
footprints as something to contrast against. It's

451
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.759
very hard to find humans nowadays that
don't wear shoes or never really have habitually,

452
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:33.920
very difficult to find those people.
So these fossilized footprints are instructive in

453
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:37.039
that sort of way. Yeah.
Well, talking about the age and when

454
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:44.200
people first started getting here, there
was a wealthy tribe in Washington State that

455
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:48.519
have their own archaeologists, tribal archaeologists
help them. I think they have too

456
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:53.759
them. And they found an old
campsite that they said they have ash fire

457
00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.160
remaine a date to about seventy thousand, seventy thousand years ago. Well,

458
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.039
that'd be an exciting find. I
hope they publish it out there someday.

459
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.480
This was a long time ago,
This was Jeezu. This was in two

460
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.440
thousand and four, two thousand and
five. Why would they not publish it

461
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.000
like this to show that, like, we've been here longer than you think.

462
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.559
That's what That's what I didn't get. But they didn't want to bring

463
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.599
in They just wanted to They just
it was for their own information or whatever.

464
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.599
I guess that's how they felt about
it. But I was telling them

465
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.839
like, this is just gonna do
nothing but slid a file all your client.

466
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.279
I mean, we've already been here
thousands years. We know that.

467
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.559
Like they're like, that's irrelevant for
our Wang claims. Yeah, I don't

468
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.440
know. I don't understand this idea
of like hide it from the scientists,

469
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.640
you know, why not just like, hey, let's get validation from these

470
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.000
people who have no dog in the
fight, and that'll prove a right even

471
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:53.799
more so, Right, stay tuned
for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

472
00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:04.279
Bobo. We'll be right back after
these messages. So all right, for

473
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.279
we got one more? What have
you got for us? Hey, guys,

474
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.079
this is Jennifer from Austin, Texas. Been listening for a while and

475
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.359
have heard Cliff talk about his theory
about a robust paranthropist being the closest relative

476
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:22.160
to Bigfoot, and Matt has mentioned
in some episodes and in his book that

477
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:28.680
Gigantipithecus is a better choice for the
closest relative. I was wondering if Bobo

478
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.640
had any thoughts one way or the
other, or if he's still open to

479
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.880
seeing what more evidence shows. Thank
you guys for all you do. Can't

480
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.680
wait for the next episode. I
mean it could be either one of those.

481
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.400
That could very well be something we
don't even know about it that it's

482
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.920
not either one of those. Yeah, I think that I hate the button

483
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.960
because I know she specifically has Bobo, But I think numerically speaking, statistically

484
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.720
speaking, it's most likely something that
is not in the fossil set, the

485
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:58.680
fossil data at this point. Yeah, ninety five chance, we don't know

486
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.880
what it is yet. Well,
what are your thoughts on any of that?

487
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.079
But what you want to expand on
that a bit? Well, just

488
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.640
I mean we're going out such little
data in the first place, you know,

489
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.519
like with Gigano and Paranthepus. But
well they found a bunch of more

490
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.119
stuff on Paranmppus in the last ten
years, right, Clive. Well,

491
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.119
yeah, there's a lot of paranthropists
stuff. I mean, not a lot.

492
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:21.759
I mean there's not a lot of
human ancestor fossils anyway, but there's

493
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:25.599
a lot more now than certainly there
was twenty thirty years ago. I think

494
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:28.680
we have hands, I think we
have some feet, but it's still just

495
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:31.599
a couple of shoe box shoe boxes
full, right, that's about it.

496
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:35.480
Yeah, yeah, I mean,
well more than Gigano. I mean Gigano,

497
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.960
may I'm not I don't think Gigano
would have more fossils because they've had

498
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.720
a few hundred teeth, because imagine
we have at least a few hundred teeth

499
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.839
of paranthropists as well. But I
don't know, I don't know. I

500
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.440
know we have a handful of skulls, we don't have any of those for

501
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.920
Gigano. And we have a lot
of post cranial stuff for paranthropists as well,

502
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:59.240
and nothing for Gigano. But I
don't know. Yeah, I'm not

503
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.920
sure extent of what we have at
this point. And there's also the problem

504
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.799
of things being found that haven't been
published yet. But I know that in

505
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.480
my professional library, I have at
least one or two books on nothing but

506
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.760
paranthropists and the fossils and all that
sort of jazz and papers that have been

507
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:21.119
written on this one species or this
one genus in itself, and whether that's

508
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.960
paranthropists, Robustus or boise I or
any of the other ones. So,

509
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.719
but I don't know. I'm guessing. I'm guessing there's probably some sort of

510
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.920
a you know, larger species of
paranthropists that hasn't been discovered yet, or

511
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:36.599
maybe something that boisee or a robustist
or something evolved into, and that's probably

512
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.960
is a brand new species as it
went north. If I'm right, and

513
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.719
I certainly don't know I'm right,
I'm guessing I'm right, and I only

514
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.920
go with the paranthropists thing instead of
giganto based on the proteonics study and also

515
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:54.360
this idea that you know, paranthropists
paranthropians were basically bigfoots already just smaller.

516
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:59.280
And I get that. You look
at the photos I've ever seen, like

517
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.559
another first line that up was like, oh, case closed. You know.

518
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.039
Then you go back to the Gigano
argument and it's like, well,

519
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.760
is up in the are familiar?
I don't know, I don't think it's

520
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:14.519
probably not either one, and people
smarter me I'll figure it out hopefully.

521
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.079
Well, I'm still thank goodness for
a people smarter than us. Man.

522
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.360
You know, I don't think any
of us are making the claim that Sasquatch

523
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.199
is paranthropists or is gigantopithecus, and
the claim that I try to put forth

524
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.000
or at least The proposition I try
to put forth in the book is that

525
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.760
if you're positing the existence of sasquatch
in modern times as something that's contemporaneous with

526
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.000
us, it's best to at least
have an analog in the fossil record to

527
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.559
show that not only is the existence
of such a thing possible, but that

528
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.280
it did occur, and it did
co occur with our ancestors or early Homo

529
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:53.000
sapiens. And so pointing at those
lineages shows that you know, apes fitting

530
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.719
this description did exist, and in
the case of Gigantipithecus and ape that's close

531
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:00.800
in proximity, in the right place, in the right time, and is

532
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:06.159
also the right size is a good
ancestral candidate in terms of either the clade

533
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.400
that produced that genus or the genus
itself. And so I really try hard

534
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.960
to not say, or to make
it clear that I'm not saying that Giganopithecus

535
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:17.840
Blackie is sasquatch. It could be
some other species within that genus, it

536
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.480
could be a related genus that we
haven't discovered yet, etc. But I

537
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.599
think people very often want to simplify
that and say that, oh, Cliff

538
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.280
thinks Paranthropus is sasquatch or that prue
it thinks that Gigantopithecus is sasquatch, and

539
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.159
it's just a case that, well, no, we'd have to find something

540
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.400
in the fossil record that's an approximation, because it's not a very strong argument

541
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.440
to say, well, we wouldn't
expect anything to be in the fossil record

542
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.920
like this, because then you're making
the argument for existence out of a void

543
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.559
or a vacuum, and that's just
not a good starting point. But I

544
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.199
do think the point that it's probably
something that's not represented in the fossil record

545
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.239
statistically speaking, is the most likely
candidate. Yeah, there's got to be

546
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.519
some intermediary steps between what we have
in the fossil record and the sasquatches,

547
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:06.960
no matter what lineage they come from. Yeah, because I don't think anybody

548
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.880
would argue that sasquatches are Paranthropus boisei. For example, they're clearly not Parantherus

549
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.239
boise but they might be descendants of
that with some changes in size and whatever

550
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.280
else too. So I don't know, there's I don't know what we really

551
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.159
need is what we need. A
Giganos skull is what we need, you

552
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:28.360
know. That would be change,
that would change the board completely and a

553
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.519
sasquatch skull. Oh yeah, that
would be helpful. There's a really interesting

554
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.440
project that's going on right now with
a number of researchers who've been looking for

555
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:40.880
post cranial remains for Gigantopithecus, and
there were some recent cave fines where mini

556
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:47.400
bones were preserved needing extraction needed to
be excavated. And one of these repositories

557
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.599
is basically in an area that was
going to be turned into a highway and

558
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.679
they were able to put forth sort
of an injunction to delay the road building.

559
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:59.239
This is in China. The research
team was able to put forth a

560
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:04.199
proposal to lay the detonation of this
structure in order to build a road so

561
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.000
that they could excavate it, hopefully
as quickly as possible. And they feel

562
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:13.679
that this cave probably represents the best
chance of finding Gigantipithecus bones post crani will

563
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.559
remain, so hopefully that'll be productive. That'd be great. Yeah. Now

564
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.719
I'd like to see the how the
if we had a skull, you know,

565
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.800
as we have paranthropist skulls. I'd
like to see how that lines up

566
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.880
with the PG film, you know, because that that that that frame from

567
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.280
doctor Meldrum's presentations where he lines up
the brow ridge, the eyes, the

568
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.320
nose, the mouth, the chin, you name it, of Patty as

569
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.000
she turns her head from that wonderful
mosaic photograph that is available on Bill Munn's

570
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:45.199
website. With the paranthropin like skull, It's just it's just astounding, really

571
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:52.440
astounding, the congruency. And now, is that just because sasquatches have huge

572
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.199
chewing structures and that's what a the
cranium of an animal who has that behavior

573
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.159
that you know that that dietary niche
is that what there's all skulls would look

574
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.039
like that It's entirely possible. It'd
be interesting to see how that lines up

575
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.079
with the mountain grill as skulls actually
too. I could do that for something

576
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.440
in the future. Maybe maybe I'll
get busy on that. It's just an

577
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:21.840
astonishing congruency between paranthropists parenthropist skull and
the sasquatch face. It's definitely worth knowing.

578
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:23.800
And I did illustrate this in the
book, and there's multiple peer reviewed

579
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.239
papers to this effect that the closest
analog in the fossil record to Gigantopithecus mandibles

580
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.480
and teeth is paranthropists, so much
so that it was argued for a long

581
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:40.400
time that Gigantipithecus was basically genetically related
to paranthropists or somehow the descendant of that,

582
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.280
or related in some way that there
was phylogenetic continuity, and then later

583
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:50.320
it was confirmed that no, actually
they're both the results of convergent evolution essentially

584
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.880
for durophagi, and so they're so
very similar again that they were thought to

585
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.679
be related. The first taxon that
was pitched was gigant anthropists or giant man.

586
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.599
I think it's entirely reasonable to posit
that the remainder of the skull of

587
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:09.079
Giganopithecus would have been very morphologically similar
to paranthropists, and that might also apply

588
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:13.519
to other parts of their structure,
their locomotion, et cetera. And so

589
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.559
they're very similar from what little we
have to compare. That's why I think,

590
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.239
well, whatever whatever someone might like
about paranthropists, as far as we

591
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.159
know, could equally apply to Giganopithecus
until or unless we find something that's markedly

592
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.320
different. Because there is always this
misrepresentation of the media of gigantipithesenes as just

593
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:38.079
big orangutans, and the proteomic study
showed that they diverged from a common ancestor

594
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.960
from orangutans ten to twelve million years
ago. That's a long time of divergence,

595
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.800
so they would have been markedly different
animals. I thought they were in

596
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.000
a line between Sheevopithecus and rings.
No, they are contemporaneous with the rings.

597
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.840
Oh, they lived at the same
time, in the same place as

598
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:59.599
the genus Pongo, and so there
are fossil sites where Gianopithecus fossils and fossil

599
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.840
rangue co occur, and so they
were related species, but they're not between

600
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.199
the two their contemporaries. Oh my
mistake. You know, we diverged from

601
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:13.360
a common ancestor with chimps six to
seven million years ago, and we're markedly

602
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.000
different animals, and so you can
imagine the sort of differences that would occur

603
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:22.519
between ten and twelve million years of
divergence from that common ancestor. And so

604
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:28.840
I still think that's the strongest proposition, although Paranthropis is fascinating, and if

605
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.519
there's any strength to that argument,
it's like, well, just ask Gareth

606
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.519
Patterson you know what I mean,
Like that that really opened my eyes to

607
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:39.039
a lot of things of like oh
wow, you know. And so listeners

608
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:44.559
go back and listen to the interview
with Gareth Patterson and the discussion about his

609
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:46.320
book Beyond the Secret Elephants. Yeah, I know, maybe put that in

610
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.239
that link in the show notes for
everybody there. All right, and thank

611
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.519
you Bobo for that comment. The
guy putting you back up on top of

612
00:41:53.559 --> 00:42:07.119
my harshest critics. I'd like to
I am number two, someone who's harsher

613
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:13.559
on me than I am. Stay
tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff

614
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:22.480
and Bobo will be right back after
these messages. And in keeping with the

615
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:28.880
theme of Bobo oriented questions, here's
the first written submission. They're Bobo curious.

616
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:30.360
I'll go ahead and read this one
Bobo, and you can just listen

617
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.559
and answer it as you see fit. This one comes from Jeffrey Graham and

618
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.159
the question is I am enjoying the
podcast, love the show, and the

619
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:42.840
new T shirt makes me look slimmer. I told you guys, I'm not

620
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:46.920
saying Bobo isn't a fox, but
what's the story between behind the Bobo cross

621
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:53.800
dressing episode? Y'all are wild?
What's the story? Bobes? Obviously they're

622
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:57.559
less threatened by women because I mean, if you look at who shoots at

623
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:01.559
Bigfoot, ninety nine plus percent are
men. There are no no approach women

624
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.440
that observe women more, especially women
with children. So I was impersonating a

625
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.639
pregnant woman, showing that I was
fertile and good MANI mature on because they

626
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.719
wanted to kidnap me, and we
did, and we did, we did.

627
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.320
We got those craziest sounds that I
mean, it was top five for

628
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.599
me. Were craziest sounds I've ever
heard. And it was the craziest sounds

629
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.920
flipp you ever heard. So it
worked. It was the craziest thing I've

630
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:30.440
ever seen. I did look pretty
good. No one can question your commitment

631
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:36.079
to novel research techniques. That dress
was expensive too. I was trying to

632
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.760
find a dress that I couldn't find
one to fit me that looked kind of

633
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.280
sexy. So I found out that
one you should write a proposal to Wally

634
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:52.239
Research grant. Yeah, what's your
dress budget going to be? You need

635
00:43:52.360 --> 00:44:00.119
a blouse benefactor? Oh man,
what's this charge here? Braziers? That

636
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.159
was great. That was great,
it was a fun episode. You know

637
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.159
what. A lot of people,
I'm a slightly more serious answer thing.

638
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:08.079
A lot of people say, why
are you guys doing this nonsense and like

639
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:14.119
this ridiculous stuff for bigfoot stuff,
and you should get up there and camo

640
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.039
and sit in a tree stand for
four hours and that's how you get up

641
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.000
No one would watch that, I
mean at the end of the day.

642
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:22.079
Yeah, we're doing bigfoot stuff for
real, but it's also a TV show

643
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.239
and we need to make sure that
people are entertained and having fun and enjoying

644
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:30.880
the stuff. That's the stuff that
we're doing. That's why we did these

645
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.599
outlandish, ridiculous things for search techniques
like throwing a rave in the woods or

646
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.400
playing bass in the woods. They're
all legitimate, though. They're all legitimate

647
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:44.519
because they draw attention. There's something
that the Sasquatches have never seen, never

648
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.320
will see again probably, and maybe
it'll draw them in and take a look.

649
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.320
And it worked better than fifty percent
of the time in my opinion.

650
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, and really that's sign Yeah, maybe it is better to go sit

651
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.199
in the tree stand for six hours, but no one's going to watch that.

652
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.519
That's boring. Even hunters fall asleep
in tree stands. We don't want

653
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.159
our audience falling asleep watching a TV
show that's fun and with weirdos like us

654
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.119
going out and doing real bigfoot stuff
and you know what, it's just damn

655
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.480
good TV. At the end of
the day, it's really good TV and

656
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.639
it's fun. And that's the point
of television. You know, don't look

657
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.400
at television, even our show.
Then you know it's completely real. But

658
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.280
like even our show, don't look
at our shows like the end All be

659
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:30.440
All Bigfoot research. It's entertainment.
That's why we were there. We were

660
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.719
doing the best job we could with
what we had. And it's all legit

661
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.719
stuff. Man, Like I said, maybe we're wrong, but we're not

662
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.719
lying. But at the end of
the day, it's entertainment and a lot

663
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.480
of fun. Just like, yeah, bigfooting should be fun. If you're

664
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.480
not having fun bigfooting, what are
you doing. I'm not have told this

665
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.280
story already when we did the recap
of the Georgia episode, but that's been

666
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.320
I think a couple of years ago
now. But if you remember, Tom

667
00:45:53.400 --> 00:46:00.400
Slickson owned a restaurant in my hometown
of Helen and they had this eating challenge,

668
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:06.039
and Bobo used to have legendary epic
eating abilities, and so we thought,

669
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.920
oh, wouldn't it be funny to
do have Bobo enter this eating challenge

670
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.679
and then that would be the entrance
to sort of meet Tom Slickson and talk

671
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.719
about that research. And Bobo,
you had said you got so mad at

672
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.000
me for even suggesting it. You
were like, ain't doing that? I

673
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.199
hate your clown. And then I
saw the episode of you in the dress,

674
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.119
and I thought, oh, how
the tables are turning? That was

675
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:31.159
really the season we weren't Jumping sharkshit
season one for well. Tom Slickson ended

676
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.639
up backing out anyway, said he
didn't want to be on camera, so

677
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.840
but hey, you would have gotten
like a free HOGI out of it all

678
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:38.920
right, Jeffery, thank you very
much for that question. It gave us

679
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.400
some good stuff to talk about and
Bobo next question is up, take it

680
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.239
all right? This question comes from
Hunter Casper message rewatching the show, I

681
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:51.199
noticed, no matter what season or
episode I watched, it's always filmed during

682
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.400
the winter. Maybe these are there
are a few summer ones, but most

683
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:57.519
seemed to be in the winter.
Is there a reason watch film during the

684
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:01.280
winter? Months thank you. People
would call them the shots were dummies.

685
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.119
They hate us. Actually that's not
true at all. They loved us.

686
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.079
I don't know if there's a reason
for it. I think that maybe maybe

687
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:16.480
the perception is a bit skewed because
in mountainous areas where we often were,

688
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:23.360
it's cold from you know, September
October to like June, so most of

689
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.920
the year, you know, like
here in Oregon, for example, like

690
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.000
a lot of my big foot spots
up you know, by Timothy Lake or

691
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:34.760
something, I can't get to until
July, June, July at the earliest

692
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.400
oftentimes. Maybe that has something to
do with it, just that the way

693
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.679
that the calendar year is in these
higher elevation mountainous areas, it's just colder

694
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.199
and it appears to be winter more. But I know that we also during

695
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.880
the winter time. They very often
scheduled us to go to the south,

696
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.880
right, but they tried to put
us well, the I'll never forget.

697
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.559
I've got a big fight with them. They want us to go to Wisconsin

698
00:47:54.760 --> 00:48:00.880
in late January early February, and
the week that they proposed I'll never forget.

699
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:07.639
I sent Keith and them guys and
the ping pong guys. Screenshot of

700
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.199
the weather that week, and it
was like negative with the windshill. The

701
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:14.079
day we were supposed to land was
negative sixty one. Well, you know,

702
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.280
sixty one blow zero. You know. Another thing to keep in mind

703
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:21.440
is just the legendary bad luck that
goes with bigfooting, you know, like

704
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:22.800
like the Blue Mountain episode, we
shouldn't have gone that time of year.

705
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.719
We shouldn't have gone. I could
have told him that, but they didn't

706
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:29.960
consolet us and I remember these like
a lot of the producers are like in

707
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.719
LA. Like there are these kids
in LA And when I say kids,

708
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.400
I mean like twenty three year olds, twenty five, twenty six year olds.

709
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.480
And they got this title of you
know this and that producer because everybody

710
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.000
who works on TV show can be
called a producer. And you know,

711
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:45.280
when you're trying to make your way
up in the TV game, you really

712
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.400
grab onto that title and you throw
it around and you fla on it and

713
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:52.480
stuff. Right, So these these
very young people with very limited experience outside

714
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:57.840
of Los Angeles, a lot of
times they don't realize that, like there's

715
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.159
different parts of the country that don't
follow this same weather patterns. As Los

716
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.760
Angeles. Well, the network like
this. The network like to see us

717
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.280
struggle and be challenged and being They
loved it when we were uncomfortable because it

718
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.239
brought out more story. And I'm
like, the story is trying to it

719
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.800
big for evidence, so we're gonna
get the best evidence, not in freaking

720
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.840
five feet of snow and below zero. Yeah. They do like the drama

721
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:21.760
side of it, and they're making
TV at the end of the day,

722
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.840
they don't. Yeah. Yeah,
So maybe maybe that has something to do

723
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.920
with it. Just the weather in
the higher elevations is nast year for longer,

724
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.519
for larger percentage of the year.
We were in Florida. We shot

725
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:37.880
with Stacey and them guys down there. It was we went, we all

726
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.199
packed for we were going to like
uh, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida.

727
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.199
And when you looked it up and
said Florida was gonna be in the

728
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:49.000
in the mid seventies with lows in
the low sixties, and like Missouri or

729
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.320
Mississippi, Southern Mississippi and southern Alabama
was going to be the for that time.

730
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.639
You know, the general forecast,
like the normal forecast would be expect

731
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.840
low's in the was the low fifties
and highs in the high sixties. And

732
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.199
we got there and it was snowing
out us in Florida. Remember it was

733
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.400
like record second coldest day ever in
history. Well I remember the snowfall in

734
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.719
Louisiana. Yeah, ice storm that
was like the second one in all history.

735
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:17.800
Yeah. Some of us just like
bad big footing luck, because that's

736
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.760
that's what luck is. When you're
big footing, it's generally bad. Yeah.

737
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:22.440
So I don't know, Hunter,
I mean, that's a good question,

738
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.960
like why did they It sucks.
It sucked to be there. And

739
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.360
summers and summers traditionally the time off
for TV, when TV takes break,

740
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:36.320
TV production breaks, and later part
of the summer almost always Yeah, yeah,

741
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.480
Hollywood shuts down in general in December. No one works in December until

742
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:44.400
like the beginning of or mid maybe
mid part of January. So things start

743
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.960
getting planned in January, and then
of course they want to get people in

744
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:52.119
the field as fast as possible,
and so they usually get us out there

745
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.360
in like late winter, early spring, and we filmed for this how long

746
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.280
or whatever. Then we maybe do
something at the end of summer into fall.

747
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:01.360
So maybe that's just it, you
know, it's just like the changing

748
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:07.079
of the seasons and Hollywood sort of
schedule that we had to keep. So

749
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.360
I don't know. I mean,
and I know a little bit about the

750
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:13.960
whole you know, industry now,
but not very much or so many ins

751
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.760
and outs and weird things and stuff. I don't know. I'm kind of

752
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.519
glad I'm not on the TV thing
anymore. Well, this is the last

753
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.480
question at least of our regular episode. After this, we'll go to our

754
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.079
members and take their question for our
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755
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:31.400
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756
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.559
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757
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.400
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Patreon thing, and we really really appreciate

758
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:42.280
all of our supporters. But this
is the last question, and it comes

759
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.119
from Kevin W. Dudes, if
you had a time machine and knowing what

760
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:51.960
you know now, which historical encounter
would you like to place yourself into the

761
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:57.320
PG film Ape Canyon Miners a Native
American experience and what would you do in

762
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.239
that case? Thanks? Love the
podcast. Well, I mean, I

763
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.599
probably have to be the PG film
just because if you had a time machine,

764
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.000
you'd have to know where and win
to go. At least we have

765
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:09.039
that Ape Canyon sounds a little scary
to me. And plus I've been to

766
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.760
the Ape Canyon, Kevin. It's
sketchy. It's scary now, you know,

767
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.119
let alone with you know, giant
apes throwing crap at him. Yeah,

768
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.199
they have to be the PG film
just and what would I do?

769
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.000
I would probably sit up on the
hill and watch it unfold. But I

770
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.440
would also probably cast the footprints before
Bob tid miscout there. I'd be riding

771
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.480
right behind boggling with my arms wrapped
around him, just holding on. You

772
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:31.199
would do that anyway, whether they're
going to film a big foot or not.

773
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.519
Yeah, excuse right, right,
Yeah, well there you go PG

774
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.360
film. And I'd probably have to
be that. If it wasn't that,

775
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:45.559
then what's your what's your number two? Bobo? Maybe? Uh? For

776
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.840
famous ones, I guess it'd have
to be like Ruby Creek, Baby,

777
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.239
Ruby Creek. I would want to
see Jerry Crew in those footprints. That'd

778
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:58.920
be cool. I got historical ones, well, I mean obviously one was

779
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:04.840
the longest close this extended view.
Maybe Glenn Thomas. I would opt for

780
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.360
any of the stories that have any
likelihood of being true about people shooting and

781
00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:13.639
killing one, because pragmatically speaking,
you could either bring it back to the

782
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.960
present with you, or you could
go to the site, you know,

783
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.760
once the human is left, and
bury the thing in such a way that

784
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.000
you could return to it in present
day, unearth it, and you'd have

785
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.000
your type specimen. You know.
That brings up something. Somebody came in

786
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.199
the shop last week who said that
some old dude that he knows ran across

787
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:35.440
a naturally dead one just a few
years ago, but he doesn't want to

788
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.079
tell anybody where it is. Probably
full of crap. Yeah, he's probably

789
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:44.719
lying, because why would you hide
that from anybody. It's the most it's

790
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:46.840
perfect. You don't have to kill
one, you're sparing all the other ones.

791
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.840
And yeah, it's probably just nonsense, some liar out there. But

792
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.440
this guy did come in and said, yeah, well, so I just

793
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.039
really hammered that guy, and I
said, well, if that guy cares

794
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.400
it all about the species, or
if you care at all about the species,

795
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:04.599
then you're going to find out where
that is, and then you're going

796
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:07.039
to call me or call somebody,
go down and get a piece of it.

797
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.119
If it's still there at all,
which it probably wouldn't be. It'spent

798
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.840
I think he said this is about
three or five years ago, so there's

799
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.519
a chance something maybe around. But
I mean, at this point, be

800
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.840
hard to say you're just taking those
guys' attention, because I've done that.

801
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.719
I've gone on some of those goose
chases, and it's like you're just feeding

802
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:27.039
into them, and you know,
they're just saying, like, oh,

803
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.599
you're in it. I think you're
an idiot for looking into it because it's

804
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.679
obviously a lie. But you know
they want to play long as long as

805
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:35.920
they can. Yeah, I know, but like every lead like that should

806
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.960
be followed until you figure out what's
going on. I still go, look,

807
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.760
you have to, you have to. And you know that's another thing

808
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.119
too, and this applies to something
like this, or liars in any situation

809
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:52.639
in Bigfoot or hoaxers or whatever,
or being fooled by people, you know,

810
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.639
because there's a small number of people
out there that only hoax things in

811
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:00.159
order to show that people are fallible. And I've always thought that like those

812
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.159
are weird, weird people. To
me, I don't understand that at all.

813
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.639
But because of course everybody's fallible,
you know. I mean, you

814
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.559
can fool me, You can probably
fool doctor Meldrum in some rare circumstances,

815
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.880
and you can fool people. But
that doesn't say very much about me or

816
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.760
you, or doctor Meldrum or the
researcher. It really says more about the

817
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:25.679
people trying to lie convincingly like that. It says loads about them and very

818
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.800
little about me. That I believed
somebody when they were lying to me,

819
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.920
right, yeah, to me,
I don't know. They have it all

820
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.079
backwards, see, I told you, well, you told me a lot

821
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:40.119
of things, mostly about yourself.
Yeah. So yeah, this dead thing

822
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:45.079
in southern Oregon somewhere, if I
find out about it, I'll go me.

823
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.440
I'm not Oh yeah, it'd be
great. I'm not expecting to because

824
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:51.280
I think the guy's probably lying.
Because if somebody had something like that,

825
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.400
they must see. I mean that
this is not my driving force, but

826
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.920
for a lot of people, you
know, like money is a big thing,

827
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.880
they must see that a dead sasquatch
is at door to being pretty wealthy

828
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.800
for at least for a little while. And if you found a naturally dead

829
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.039
one, you would be a hero. If you shot one, you would

830
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.559
be a villain. The rest of
your life. But if you found a

831
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:14.239
naturally dead one, you would be
a hero, and you'd have a book

832
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.440
deal and you can get gigs and
whatever. I don't know. I haven't

833
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.719
thought through the monetary side of all
that, because it's not really I don't

834
00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.599
I don't want that. I don't
want fame for that reason. I don't

835
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.159
want fame for any reason. But
I don't want that level of attention on

836
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.360
me. I'm happy going out there
and casting a footprint every once a day

837
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.639
you get the hottest chicken the old
folks on. That's true. That's true.

838
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:36.599
Probably look a lot like you dressed
up as a chick. I don't

839
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.280
want to get my personal life and
preferences involved in this. But that's just

840
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.519
one benefit form, possibly one of
the good things about getting old. I

841
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.000
suppose. All right, well that
was the last question. That was the

842
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.119
last question, and we still have
a member's thing to record. Why don't

843
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.000
we go off and do that?
And again, if you want to become

844
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.000
a member, there's lots of benefits. You get an extra hour or something

845
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:59.239
like that, a week of Bobo
and Cliff in case you haven't in case

846
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.320
you haven't got enough of us so
far. Go to the show notes click

847
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.480
that link that matprou Will put down
there, or you can go to big

848
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:08.000
Fin to be on podcast dot com
and hit the members link. I'm gonna

849
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:13.920
be next week, I guess next
week, I'm gonna be in Eastern Tennessee

850
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:19.199
at the Upper Cumberland Bigfoot Festival.
Lucky. Yeah, Well, you know

851
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.760
why I'm lucky is because the other
three bigfoot folks quote unquote celebrities, although

852
00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:28.719
I don't like that word. The
celebrities that are gonna be there, Huckleberry

853
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:34.519
Buck and wild Bill from Monsters Awesome. Yeah there, show's ridiculous, but

854
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.159
god, I love these dudes.
Man. They are just the nicest people

855
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:38.079
in the world. And of course
it goes back to that thing I said

856
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:44.159
earlier. TV is entertainment. Take
it as such. Huckleberry Buck and wild

857
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.440
Bill are some of the nicest people. All those guys, actually, Willie

858
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.320
and Jeff, all those guys are
some of the nicest people you can meet.

859
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:57.880
They spend time with every single person
that goes to the table, and

860
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.760
you know, and hanging out with
them after the show and stuff is a

861
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:05.840
treasure, a treasure. I love
these people. So anyway, if you

862
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.440
want to go check that out.
It's you see Bigfoot dot com. I

863
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:15.239
think you see stands for Upper Cumberland, so you see Bigfoot dot com.

864
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.760
And then I'll tell you everything you
need to know. So I'm going to

865
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:22.239
be there next weekend. Maybe come
out and say hi. Tell me if

866
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.039
you're a listening to the podcast,
I really do appreciate it. Bobo,

867
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.639
you got anything or should we just
get out of here? Let's split all

868
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.199
right, bobes take us home?
All right, folks, thanks again.

869
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:36.239
We really appreciate you tune it in. We especially appreciate when you hit like

870
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871
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872
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.800
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873
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.320
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874
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:58.719
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875
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