Today and Open Mind UAP News. We've got some wild science news. Congress
is still crazy about UAP. We've got an interview with doctor Doug Bittner,
an astronomical engineer, and of course we'll review some Enigma UAP. So stay
tuned. Hello and welcome to Open Mind JAP News. I am your host,
Alejandro Rojas. I've got some great news and update on something I've been
working on. But before that, let's go ahead and get into the news.
There's quite a bit going on here, beginning with, like I said,
some wild science news. So in this case, it has to do
with Dyson's fears. This is something that's been theorized as potentially something that an
advanced alien civilization would do. I've always been a bit skeptical, to be
honest, but the news is that there are scientists who are saying maybe they
have some evidence that Dyson spheres are happening. So here's an image a Dyson
sphere. Essentially, it's just like we do a solar panels, you know,
on our roofs. Instead they're saying, and this was an idea that
came from the sixties, that an advanced civilization would harness the energy from the
Sun and their solar system by surrounding it essentially by solar panels. Here's an
image where the object the Sun, is not completely surrounded, but you know,
somewhat surrounded. In the past, there have been situations where we thought
maybe we got some other indication of a Dyson sphere. In that case,
it was a signal from a star that was kind of erratically going up and
down that still hasn't been determined that Actually people think that it might be some
sort of cosmic dust, but in this case Dyson, the science the Freeman
Dyson, who theorized this in the sixties. He said that one way that
we would be able to detect these is by looking for the waste, and
the waste in this case would be an infrared heat signature, but we didn't
have the technology to do that in the past. Now there is a group
that is reviewing five million stars that we have in our databases and looking for
signs of an inferred heat, that signature that we can't explain, and they
just released that they have found seven potential candidates thus far. Just because they're
getting some inferre to heat doesn't mean there's a dice in sphere around this.
No, but the way the news is, they love to take off with
this sort of thing. So that's the news in the headlines you're saying about,
you know, potential Dyson spheres around suns. Moving on news from the
economic times. Now, this is something that I've talked about a lot,
and that is a study from the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. Of course,
I've been a board member for a long time. I'm not currently.
I'm focusing on other efforts that I'm going to share with you towards the end
of the show. But this article came out, did UFOs deactivate US missiles
collect vital information on nuclear arsenals and ICBMs? What did Pentagon mandarins say?
Such a weird term, mandarins, But what they mean is Pentagon officials.
Well, when the Pentagon was asked about nukes and UAP in a hearing,
they said they didn't have any information on that, which was kind of concerning.
I even did a couple of news interviews saying, well, that's weird
because it's a big topic in this sphere, and the military themselves are the
ones who raised this concern in the fifties. So it was interesting that they
didn't know anything. And I don't know if they've gone back and educated themselves
yet, but the Scientific for Coalition for UAP Studies, some of their members
have put out several research documents regarding this topic. What they've done is gone
back into the past, look for really good sightings, and then look for
things like are there more sightings at facilities that held nuclear material than at regular
military installations or nearby populated areas. And what they found is that there was
a statistically significant increase in sightings in early weapons development areas and facilities, which
is really interesting. I highly recommend people going to the website. I'll put
a link in the show notes and checking out their study because they had some
really interesting findings. Now, they did find some increases compared to other areas
in some of the other locations, but none of it was that significant or
like I said, statistically significant, which is what a study's looking for.
The other thing that they did was an analysis on intent, So they did
an intelligence type of analysis to say, you know, what seems to be
the nature of this observation. Should there be observation going on by whatever these
UAP may be, And they said it seemed to be more along the lines
of data gathering. You know, this does fit along with anecdotal information,
and we do have a lot more kind of nuclear facilities with government documentation around
incursions into their airspace. Now, one of the reasons might be because that
is some of the most secure airspace, so they're going to have more attention
being paid to incursions over those facilities and that may be the case that why
we have the documentation. But still really interesting stuff. It's great the Economic
Times has covered this because I think the SEU guys did some great work there
that is worth looking at. Moving on aviation safety and unidentified anomalous phenomena discussed
at the European Parliament, so this is really interesting in cooperation cooperation with the
UAP coalition Netherlands they're called, but essentially a European Parliament member, Francisco Guerrero
has kind of been pushing this forward and covering UAP and he says that he's
had a lot of positive response. One of the things that he has proposed
is having the EU have a standard reporting system that they can collect UAP reports
on. So that's really interesting, very positive news. This is just kind
of the beginning. But you know, one of the concerns here is that
they need to pay attention because some of this stuff could be drones or Russian
or Chinese weapons systems that they need to pay attention to. So, just
like it's been the trend lately, a lot of the UAP discs is kind
of around awareness, all domain awareness, so in other words, making sure
that we understand what's in our errors, what is going over secured airspace,
you know, making sure we understand all of the threats that could be out
there. And the biggest threats that we're having currently are drones that are flying
around and we don't know who they are. And the other, of course
concern is advanced technologies from other countries. Now a lot of people are saying,
well, what's that got to do with UAP. We're looking for something
more strange than that, and you're right, but UAP is divined. It
is something that is not something that is not immediately identifiable, and of course
these eye objects wouldn't be And my argument is, hey, if this is
what gets people looking, then the other thing they're going to be collecting.
And of course a lot of these groups are there concerned also or their interests,
like in what are the strange things that are out there and the data
that's going to be collected on that. Hopefully that data will then be shared
with researchers that was in the debrief and ifl science. This article came out
and now it's been all over the place. UFOs may be evidence of crypto
terrestrials secretly living among us, so says a paper that has been written,
and the researchers are from Harvard's Human Flourishing Program in Montana Tech University. The
study is really weird, and this article even admits that it's really kind of
going into hearsaying kind of the wild stories out there that you get from the
Internet and proposing that well, maybe there's something living underground, or some sort
of weird thing that's been here for a long time, or aliens disguising themselves
as humans. Lots of really weird stuff and as it highlights here, highly
controversial information that it's taking to make these proposals. This paper has not been
peer review, but it's awfully interesting that they undertook this study and it has
been really this is a first story that came out a couple of days ago,
six days ago, but I've noticed the last couple of days really there's
been a ton of headlines on this story. So we'll see with that if
you're interested. There's a link here to that paper for you to go read.
In other news, the Daily Mail. I don't necessarily always cover the
Daily Mail because they're pretty sensationalistic. However, this article is written by doctor
David Clark, who is a journalist a lecturer, but he also focuses on
folklore and has written and researched a lot about UAP, often from a skeptical
perspective. But that's what I find really interesting about this case. So this
headline, two British friends took this UFO picture, then vanished after a visit
from sinister men in dark suit, breaking his silence. After thirty four years,
their old colleague now reveals what happened and says they were not meant to
see it. Ooh, so there is a mystery about this case. This
case is called the Calvine case often. It happened in nineteen ninety where these
two guys were hiking. They saw a diamond shaped object and a jet flying
around nearby snapped a picture. That picture is now somewhat famous. Now,
I interviewed Nick Pope, who worked for the Ministry of Defense looking at UAP
cases. Mysteriously, David Clark does not include Nick Pope in this article,
although I think he has voiced some disagreement with Nick Pope in the past.
I'll put it that way. But Nick Pope has an interesting story because he
said this was a known case when he worked in the MOD. They even
had a copy of the photo put up on the wall in their office.
But one day he came to work and it was taken down. He said,
where did the photo go? And they said, well, we took
it down because we think that it is high tech US technology, and that
is kind of the leading theory for this photo. But at that time that
I talked to Nick, we didn't have a very good picture of it.
We had a artist rendering off of Nick's memories and a photo copy version of
that photo. The photo came out in two thousand and nine when the MOD
released their UAP files, and David Clark says that's what got him interested.
He since has done a lot of research and he actually got a copy of
the photo. There you go, ladies and gentlemen, if you follow me,
you know, we've looked at this image and talked about it quite a
bit. But what he's been looking for are the original witnesses and he has
not been able to find them. And that's been a lot of what he's
been writing about looking for these witnesses and they have not been found. This
article is interesting just because this is a coworker of these two gentlemen. They
were chefs. This guy, now you know, many years later, is
coming out and saying, well, he was friends with them, and he
saw some men in black looking guys go talk to them, and after they
seemed a bit frazzled, and then they left town and were never seen again.
So he believes that maybe they saw something they weren't supposed to. He
is also speculating that maybe they saw some top secret military thing that they weren't
supposed to see. And this is the guy their friend here who is the
subject of his story back then when he was twenty one, So that's kind
of the story. Here. Here you can see the original photo copy and
then the actual picture that David Clark was able to find. Luckily, some
researcher who worked at the mod had the picture and had kind of stuffed it
away, and then when he read about David Clark looking for the image,
he got in touch and was able to share it. So a really really
interesting case. I'll also link to my article on Open Minds about my interview
with Nick Pope and this photo going missing from his office. In other news,
UFO's investigations in Japan. So there is a group of lawmakers in Japan
who have decided to start a UAP organization. Again, this is because they're
saying, you know, this could be Chinese or Russian technology or drone,
so we really need to pay attention to UAP like the Americans are doing.
What they're also referencing is an arrow document which shows some of the hot spots
around the country, and it shows that an area in between a Japan in
China there have been a lot of sightings. So that's one of they're justifying
making this organization. So it's always a good step, right when countries are
paying attention to this and hopefully putting some more eyeballs on it and maybe even
getting some interesting information. But in the past, the Japanese government mysteriously I
said, they haven't gotten any UAP reports, and in the Japanese The Japannews
dot com or newspaper here allegedly the Japanese Aviation Bureau says that they have not
received any uf reports in the past five years. So I really wonder what's
going on there. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't receive any sidings,
especially because most other countries and definitely the US, get quite a few sightings
reported, even though it's kind of looked upon poorly or the FA for instance,
doesn't have a policy out there to make it clear how to report UAP.
So it's interesting that japan is saying that they don't get these reports.
So is it a cultural thing where people just don't want to report? This
is something I'd love to talk to someone more familiar with the Japanese kind of
aerospace industry out there about. Hopefully we'll get that chance. If you're one
of those people, definitely let me know. But yeah, very interesting story
to developing there. What's next for ARROW? So I'm just highlighting this article
is out there. It's a great article by Douglas Dean Johnson. He's someone
that I followed quite a bit because he's doing a great job on letting us
know about legislation around UAP, but he is also good at delving into the
details, giving us information on the stage of whatever legislation as it's being improved
or not, and then also giving us details on what's in that legislation.
Well, he's wondering, well, what's going on with AEROW now? So
we interviewed a lot of people. He interviewed doctor Kirkpatrick. He interviewed some
people like Chris Mellan, Tim Galladette. He also talked to some skeptics such
as Stephen green Street from the New York Post and mcwest and ask them what's
going on with her or what do you think is happening? And they got
some very interesting perspectives, and I think that the wide amount of perspectives is
really interesting. What I do find interesting, also, though, is that
this idea of disclosure, none of these people are very clear about what that
means. What is disclosure to them? And at least in UFO circles,
it seems like disclosure is people wanting the government to disclose what they think they
know, even though they don't have evidence to support what they think they know.
It's kind of confusing because if I was to say, what is disclosure.
For me, it would be sure. I would want them to share
more about the nature of what they know, but without an assumption that they
necessarily know anything. And we'll get into that more in the future and just
a bit here, but what I think is very interesting is I would want
them to disclose more about disinformation that's something they do know. So have they
had instances where they have confused the public or led the public to believe something's
a UFO when it's not. We have documentation that the CIA and the US
Air Force did this in the nineteen fifties with the U two programs and with
other aspects of this topic that should be really shared with the public. In
fact, Congress is mandated that that's supposed to be part of the historical report
let alone. Many of you also know, I've done exhaustive research into a
gentleman who worked for the US Air Force Office of a Special Investigation in the
eighties, who created a lot of the mythology that people currently believe, and
I believe influenced the belief systems of some of these whistleblowers that have come out.
Many of the themes in this that came out from this guy. This
guy who said he did it for disinformation. He said he would did it
at the behest of his superiors and in particular the Defense Intelligence Agency. And
nobody's really addressed this, neither the US Air Force nor the Defense Intelligence Agency.
So this is the sort of stuff I would like to have disclosed,
let alone more about what they know. But do they know much? Let's
get it more into that in just a second. So this tweet from Aero
begins with great two days at aui's UAP workshop May sixteenth through the seventeenth.
Thanks NSF, the National Science Foundation for facilitating. So that's kind of interesting.
We've got a little bit more news out there about this, how the
National Science Foundation had a UAP workshop. We don't know much about who spoke
or what was talked about, but certainly it looks like Aero was there,
So that's very interesting. But otherwise, getting into Congress and Congress delving into
the topic still. Senator Kristen Gillibrand. This comes from Matt Laslo, someone
we've looked at before because he's asking lawmakers about UAP. But Kristen Gillibrand says
that she wants to have a public hearing sometime in July September at the latest.
Now the hearing is an update from Arrow, and that's what she's looking
for. Others, of course, want more information. Congressman, he's a
US House of Representatives representative for California. But Congressman Robert Garcia actually proposed a
few amendments for the upcoming NDAA. Now this is the National Defense Authorization Act,
and in the last three years, this is what has shaped kind of
the government's involvement with UAP research, creating Arrow, asking for the historical documents,
that sort of thing. The Schumer Amendment was something that came up last
year, and this was an amendment that was going to create a panel that
could overlook the release of information, and this panel would include civilians. It
included things like eminent domain on any materials that are obtained that are deemed to
be non human in nature. So Garcia was proposing a similar amendment to the
Schumer Amendment in the House where the NDAA, but those all got shot down.
He says they were being blocked from being considered by House Republican leaderships,
so those look like they won't happen. In fact, Dean Johnson, who
were talking about just a minute ago, says it doesn't look like there will
be any UAP amendment for the first time in this act, and this could
be the reason. New article in Bloomberg Great article by Tyler Cowen. He
is a occasional Bloomberg opinion columnist. He's written about UAP a few times.
He is a professor of economics at George Mason University and host of the Marginal
Revolution blog. But he writes here, the real government conspiracy isn't about UFOs.
Officials aren't suppressing evidence that alien life forms exist. They're just embarrassed to
admit that they don't know. And I think he's right. He goes on
to talk about a few things. First, he talks about this Intelligence Authorization
Act that just passed. Here. It is it which asks for a review
of ARROW and what they're up to, essentially, and it also kind of
talks about their funding, but essentially saying that you know, there should be
no funding on UAP unless Congress is aware at first. So that's interesting.
But what he's saying here is that certainly Congress is interested in getting more information,
but is there more information there? He points out that the historical document
that came out from Arrow when it got into older cases, was very vague
and it didn't include the most important cases. So he's saying that if his
students were to write a paper, he would expect that one of the big
important points that was made in this report, which was that UAP are a
concern and there are some that are mysterious, he would want that up front.
And I think he's right. You know, that's a huge statement to
make, But it wasn't until way later in the document that they made that
statement, and they didn't justify that statement. How would they have justified that
statement by covering something like the nimics or some of these other more mysterious cases
that they have yet to answer. But instead they really don't include anything they
couldn't answer and gloss over that, trying to kind of make it seem like
they have a handle on the subject when they really don't. And his point
is they don't want to admit that, they don't want to admit that there
are good cases out there they can explain. And I think he's exactly right.
I think that's part of what's going on. Also, what's part of
going on is what I'm talking about. They're also not talking about their role
in disinformation or misleading the public, which has created all of these conspiracies that
Aero's former chief Song Kirkpatrick has been very vocal about in the media, being
upset that these people in their conspiracies are side tracking me and they're they're getting
in the way and they're convincing Congress of all this crazy stuff and I can't
do my job. Well, that's fine, but what role did you play
government? Obviously, the CIA, the US Air Force, this guy who
worked for the Air Force OSI and while he was working for them, putting
out this disinformation and saying he was doing at that at the behest of his
leaders. All of that is responsible for this environment, partially largely responsible for
this environment. They definitely need to answer for that, and hopefully they will.
But I think he's right. I think that these people who say the
government's hiling aliens, all of this stuff that comes from these tropes, this
mythology and that's been out there and has not been proven for decades, I
think they're really way off base. That they're really expecting the government to be
much more competent around this topic than they actually have been. So I think
he's exactly right. That's the conspiracy and that's what's being hidden. But still
by hiding that information, by not being forthcoming, then it gives this air
of secrecy and what are you hiding? And they really just don't speak to
it. That's why we need to do something else. And I've got a
solution for us, and I'll go over that just a little bit here,
but getting into the final kind of pieces of newscare starlink. So a new
People paper came out. This is an article on fizz dot org. Starlinks
can produce surprisingly bright flares for UAP pilots. So this is something we know.
We've covered this quite a bit. We've talked to Ben Hansen, but
there's another guy who has helped write a paper on this very topic, and
that is doctor Doug Bitner, and we're going to be talking to him in
a minute. But this is a great example. This is something that's happening
a lot. There are a lot of pilots that are submitting videos We've even
gotten them at Enigma that look weird, but they're actually starlink satellites. Because
starlink satellites look very strange from an aircraft, and especially commercial aircraft and these
commercial pilots are seeing these things. It's something that should be researched and it
should be disseminated amongst pilots. But it's not really happening. But we'll talk
to doctor Doug about that in just a minute. But this is interesting news
that came out lately. And then finally, I'm really excited about this.
I just got my copy. But a historian, Greg Edegean, I know
I'm saying his name wrong, but hopefully I'll be able to get in contact
with him. I'll try to interview him actually for our show here. But
he is a historian who's written a book about UFOs after the flying Saucers came
So I just got my copy. I'm excited to read it. But this
book just came out. It proves to be very interesting and well researched,
so it says here written by an academic who's research on UFOs and alien contact
has been featured in the media and supported by NASA and the Smithsonian National Air
and Space Museum. And it actually came out from Oxford University Press. So
I'll be reading that and letting you know what I find. But that's the
news for today, Let's go ahead head and take a look at our interview
for this week, doctor Doug Bittner. All right, I am very happy
to introduce our guest, doctor Doug Bittner. Hello and welcome Nil Andre.
How you doing doing great? So You've got a huge resume here, and
I'm going to try to go through some of the highlights and definitely let people
know anything I exclude. But currently you're a deputy Chief Scientist for the Acquisition
Innovation Research Center, a nonprofit that works with defense. You had twenty years
with the Aerospace Corporation, where you were a flight Software Systems Director advisor on
the Sentinel missile program. You've worked at the Pentagon for the Acquisition Policy Analysis
Center. You've been a consultant for NASA's JPL, a very famous group.
Let's see you are in the junk professor at the University of Utah. You
taught software intensive space systems engineering at the University of Southern California, and space
systems engineering at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs. I actually went to
see you in Boulder. Let's say you've got your degrees at Oregon State University
or PhD at the University of Southern California. And the most recent thing you've
done, I guess is you've published a paper in March called the Enhancing Space
Situational Awareness to Mitigate Risk, a single case study in the misidentification of a
recently launched Starlink satellite train as a UAP in commercial aviation, and that seems
to be a really important topic. That's something that I've interviewed Ben Hanson on
who I work with closely, and something that he had identified as that,
you know, all of these pilots are seeing the Starlink satellite, they don't
know what it is, and it doesn't seem to be something that the FAA
has tackled. Yeah, it was. One of the things that was interesting
is that when we went through the paper and you know, pulling it together,
it was actually amazing to me that the FAA is almost silent on these
things after it gets reported. I mean, there's no feedback mechanism to let
that pilot know what they were actually seeing. And so what we tried to
do is come up with a you know, an approach right to where pilots
would have like an app on a phone, you know, if they if
they report something that's like through a different, completely different approach, and so
we suggested like the Enigma Labs, the Cider app even suggested stillarium, but
something that you know they could do it and potentially do it anonymously and then
be done with it. Right. But then if you do these apps,
hopefully with these sightings, then you can have that back wrap around feedback to
where they can go look on on their theirs submission later on to see actually
what it was they saw. I mean, because part of it is going
to be education of the pilots so they know what they've actually been seeing and
then so they'll be reporting them less. So that was part of the goal
of it. So mm hmmm, that's great. That makes a lot of
sense and Enigma. You know, one of the things that we've tried to
do is kind of crowdsource the analysis part. You know, with New York
you got involved, Ben got involved. I had sent him and I sent
him send him some of the best stuff that you know, I review even
with my audience here to look at. But write the feedback loop, you
don't know who to trust sometimes because as you've seen, you know, you'll
get a lot of responses. Oh it was probably this, this or that.
Some of the stuff I saw on like Reddit and everything else. It
was like, oh, come on, people right right, So it gets
really difficult who to trust. And that's what I've been trying to do even
with the show, is get that kind of feedback so that people can here
who are the credible people looking at it, such as yourself and what you
all have come up with. Yeah, and actually on that one in particular,
what's kind of fun is you know, so Ben sent uh sent us
like three different things to look at, and I almost zeroed in on that
one immediately because first off, it's an airplane, and I just got through
doing an airplane analysis, right, so I knew how to do that just
very easily. So we were trying to see if we get the ADSB data
for that flight. And the second I saw that you had the Averrizonto Bridge
in there, Narrow's Bridge. I noticed the tower with the shadow coming off
of it, and so obviously the first thing I had to do was figure
out what bridge it was, and so I literally shoved that into Google image
and it came back with that, and so then I was able to then
take another website which you can use for shadow analysis, and unfortunately it was
like ten days later, and I didn't want to pay money to go on
the day, so I was able to figure out it was. You know,
my estimate was between three and three thirty based on it, you know,
ten days later. And so I think that's probably why I was off
about a half an hour, just because I didn't have the exact date iled
in there. But then once we had, once we had that information,
and then you worked with with Ben to get get them the witness, we
were off to the races because we had the light number. I had the
actual video so I could see it exactly what time those objects the object went
through the frames. And and it was kind of funny because after I was
I had already pegged one of two things, either a balloon or UAV,
and the balloon that I had initially saw and read it, I thought,
well, maybe if it's far away, it might look like that. But
the problem is then at that far away, it would have had to been
really moving fast right for five frames. And so we tried doing additional stuff.
For example, with the bridge, I got GPS coordinates right, so
now I got the DESB data. And so with the bridge, tower,
I know, how about how big that is? And so I was trying
to trying to estimate basically a field of view, okay, and so I
came up with distances between about sixty four feet ninety four feet. And so
actually at the SCU conference, Nick Gold and I, I actually brought the
balloon that I believe it is the O or the zero, I should say,
and then went out there and did a six feet and then ten feet,
fifteen feet out to about fifty feet, and then I did at sixty
sixty four sixty four is as close as I thought it was, and then
went out to ninety four feet, and then he did a one hundred and
one hundred twenty. So we've got it. We're pretty sure. We've got
to bracket it. And you know, I'm standing there trying to rotate it
around, trying to get the right angle, and it's about frames per second.
I should be able to, in my movie come up with the right
thing and we can interplate. And you look at the balloon in my in
the video, we got yeah it's the one. Yeah, yeah. I
at first thought, to my credit, it was probably a solar balloon,
but Ben had disillusioned me. Of that because he had actually done some work
with solar balloons and they collapsed easily. So that would have collapsed because they're
just then. But then once you proposed that black zero, that was it.
You could do it. That really fit on it. Yeah. And
the thing is, once you rotated a little bit and you got the sun
at the right angle, the reflection glint off the balloon looks the same as
in the video, and that that rotation aspect of it. And with the
five frames you kind of see some fuzziness at the end. That's probably the
flap where you actually blow it up. And so you know, like I
said, you know I told you eight better than eighty percent, I'm getting
close to saying better than ninety percent. Once I nailed down actually taking that
video, decomposing the frames, seeing how big it is at what distance,
and then the other thing I still need to do is I would say narrow
down because according to the Noah weather that we found online in the FA you
know has that archived at Iowa State, what we're able to do is get
the winds aloft and that was something that Mick West completely ignored. And so
the winds loss was doing thirty three knots based on the data right at three
thousand feet, so they were a little less than three thousand feet, so
you know it's probably about right, and there's probably some additional stuff we can
do. Yeah, it went to a lot being really important because when you
add that to the speed of the aircraft, your estimations of speed are like
right. And that's why And that's what was so funny with what was going
on on Twitter. I mean I'm literally on my way driving out to my
Skinwalker property. I got in your Skinwalker ranch, and i see my phone
blowing up with all these people talking about you know, three hundred and sixty
miles per hour, and I'm like, what where did that come from?
Yeah? Yeah, just misunderstandings because of being able to translate, you know,
from feet per second from knots to miles per hour. That uses a
lot of people, and a lot of people don't realize knots is not the
same as miles per hour. And yeah, so those numbers I can confuse
me. In fact, that was the first mistake I had made because somebody
said, well, it's a knots. I'm like, oh, I thought
it was a meals miles per hour in terms ADSP and so so when I
said three sixty, it was assuming that I had miles per hour coming in
the ADSP data. And so my saying okay, now I got it at
four hundred feet per second, that's me saying, okay, I fixed the
knots problem, right, and then retranslated. But yeah, it's fundamentally a
vector problem. Right, So you know, you're as far as you're you
can tell being on an airplane going two hundred and seven knots, and then
something goes by you, it appears like it's going your speed, your speed
plus their speed in the opposite direction, right. I mean, anybody that's
been on an airplane and saw you know, you're flying along you see another
airplane go in the other direction. Basically you're seeing it doing twice the speed
or about right. So if you're doing four and a miles per hour at
altitude or you know, they can get going pretty quick at altitude five hundred
plus, and so you know, it's it's just a it's a vector problem.
And that's what I was trying to explain on Twitter. I think that's
what you know, you pointed this out. The difficulty of you know,
I currently just really try to not interface with social media a lot on these
things, just kind of share information because it becomes really really difficult. As
you saw, where there are so many people invested in these things being mysterious,
and of course we would love that as well, but you know,
you got to stick with whatever the facts are. And they get so upset
when you know, you do an analysis and you share this information and it's
just you know, they don't want to hear it. I know I've had
that same exact conversation with Ben spot On. I mean, as a scientist,
you're almost damned if you do any damned if you don't. Right,
So the one thing is you do want to give it a proper analysis,
but I mean, you want to call a horse a horse. You don't
want to call a horse a pig. I mean everybody who likes to see
pigs, but I'm sorry, it's a horse, right, It's I just
I look at it this way. I know that you know, probably better
than ninety percent of the sightings out there are probably natural objects or things of
that nature, and it's just coming up with an ability to find those things
quite quicker and be able to remove them from you know, the ten percent
we'd really love to get data on. And and trust me, you know,
I know you sent me at least one video where I'm like, oh,
that one's interesting, right, And and so it's just a matter of
trying to get more data where it's those interesting things that we scientists were saying,
yep, nope, give me more of that, you know, and
then we can start figuring out what these things are, where they're coming from.
You know, where they're coming from might be harder to get at because
we don't even know how they're getting here. I mean, there's different things
in quantum mechanics. Anybody that's been watching the warp drive al Kubi air warp
drive, that's a possibility right. In fact, I would say that's probably
one of the leading candidates wormholes, which is what they believe they got out
at Skinwalker Ranch. And so it's like there are things in physics that would
allow it, and people just need to understand that, Okay, great,
they do exist. There are theories, and it's the problem of proving the
theories correct and then identifying how you can utilize from a human race standpoint,
that specific motor transportation rate. I mean, it would just phenomenally revolutionize things.
But then you know, if I put my national security out on,
you know, we can get into a long discussion on nuclear weapons, okay,
And in fact, I got into a long discussion at the SCU because
I've got a lot of that in my background. I've you know, been
briefed on that kind of stuff. What people don't understand and what they need
to be reminded of is when we first built nuclear weapons, it was US
in Russia. It was what's called two person game theory. You didn't have
all the other players. And so now when you're in two person game theory,
it's a very simple problem to solve. But now you have basically en
person game theory. Ie, you don't have just the US and Russia.
You've got the US, You've got France, you've got the UK, You've
got probably Israel, You've got China, you got North Korea, and so
right, it's a big list. And now you're in something called the Texas
standoff where literally you've got people pointing a gun at you know, like you
know, at everybody else. And there's only one way out of a Texas
standoff that I know of, and that's at least one of the players has
to come up with something that revolutionize and completely makes that other, you know,
a bad weapons. So it's not a problem. It's like you can
completely remove that as a threat, or you come up with a much worse
threat. Unfortunate. It's just it's just kind of the way we have to
think about it in terms of how you resolve the problem. I would I
would welcome a game theorist to tell me, oh, no, there's another
one and you forgot about it, right, Which gets back to the really
kind of legitimate difficulty that the military would have in releasing any information on this
topic. Yeah, that twofold, And this is why I think, you
know, the citizen science is so important that we're not going to get much
from the government. It's difficult and maybe irresponsible in some cases for them to
give us much because there's either the case that we're identifying advanced technology from an
enemy of the sort that you're taught about, which then we need to be
on top of and very secretive about, or we are witnessing novel technology being
used by a third party that's more exotic, which then we want to harness
and use, for instance, to break this Texas standoff and to win that
standoff. And so that's again we need to be very careful with that information.
And that's the reason I bring it up is let you know, make
sure people understand, you know, what, there's a reason the government if
if they are withholding it, which you know, for example, Ross Coultarts
is convinced, and I would say other people that I've talked to are fairly
convinced. I'm just gonna say, if that is happening, that's why.
Okay, it's it's because you want to be the first one out out the
door with that new technology. And and and we as a nation, as
the United States of America, we need to assume that the other nations,
your other players in the game you're trying to rush in particular, also have
retrieved crash vehicles and they are also attempting to reverse engineering. And so I
know the stuff I've heard and read about if you let's say you had a
crash recovery pick Roswell, for example, we didn't have the technology back then
that we do now. And so you know, assuming they're reverse engineering,
it's like as material science improves, as our ability to manufacture stuff improves,
we get closer and closer to being able to do a good job a reverse
in engineering some of that, and so you just basically have an arms race
going on, and you've got to be very careful. You don't want to
have the military basically show their hand before they're they're ready and they believe the
technology is ready to be able to end that Texas standoff. I mean that
fundamentally is what we're up against, right And what's interesting I think and has
gotten lost is that Chris Mellon's argument, and Chris mellen being the former Deputy
Assistant Secretary Fence for Intelligence, who was a large I've written a lot about
this, was a large influence on bringing this topic to the forefront and getting
Congress and the Pentagon to take it seriously. His argument was that if it
is foreign tech, then we need to pay attention to it to be able
to harness that technology. If it's not foreign tech, then we also need
to harness that technology and begin doing these things, stop ignoring it, and
begin doing reverse engineering if we can capture them in order to harness these technologies.
So he was coming from a perspective of this isn't happening and he's even
said he didn't see it happening when he was involved in, you know,
overseeing the SAPs and black projects and such. But it's something that we should
be doing. So there's all these different angles and nuance that I think get
lost on a lot of people. Yes, no, that's that's exactly right.
And so you know, hopefully your video will be viewed by a few
people that you know are disgusted with it. Well, I know then,
and I've had this other discussion. It's like, you know, if you
really want to think about it, about a nuclear weapon and the disclosure part
of it, you could do it similar to what they did for nuclear weapons,
right, and so the DOE actually handles the radioactive material and the actual
bomb itself, if you will, where all the services don't do that.
All they do is provide delivery platforms. And so you could do something very
similar with indisclosure to where you said, Okay, the technology aspect of it,
military, the actual biologics, assuming they exist, let's put that onto
somebody else, right, Nationalist, true to health, pick pick somebody,
right, And so then you could have the ability to have the disclosure.
We got them right. But then again, even doing that even providing that
kind of disclosure, and you're now saying, Okay, I have this stuff,
which actually is a turn into itself people think. I think about that
very carefully. If your other nations understand that you have this technology, then
it's going to be oh, I wonder what they've got that we don't how
far they are on the reverse engineering, right, and so that would actually
in fact help I would say, delay a potential or potential nuclear war if
it got close. But then you have I mean, there's just a lot
of moving parts of this kind of stuff, right. And then it gets
back to because we've had Kirkpatrick of Arrow, you know, speak to this
somewhat saying if it's exotic, if it's something that's not human mainta, then
I want to send it to NASA to analyze with. But is that true?
You know, there's definitely an aspect where they would want to back engineer
and you know, capitalize on those discoveries. The other side of this is
a disinformation side, which they were tasked to analyze in the historical report but
didn't. And we do know even the New York Times has reported on the
CIA using like the U two, making people think it as UFOs instead of
the U two, that sort of thing in the past and finding out it
actually became a bigger headache than they thought. But then we also have you
know, Air Force Special investigation personnel in the eighties putting out disinformation. Was
that official? If so, for what purpose? It would think that maybe
the purpose that you're speaking to. So you know, there's there's just talk
about a pandemic box having worked in those kinds of programs, I will tell
you. I can't get into details, but I can't tell you A poster
that was on the wall. A poster that was on the wall was on
the UFO and it says, make them believe our technology is from outer space.
And fundamentally it's a it's a mind game, if you will, right.
It's like, you know, we've got some terrific capability as a country
in terms of defense and offense. I mean, most of my career has
been on the defensive side. And if you think specifically about that from a
from a capability, and fundamentally, we as a nation are trying to not
get into a war. You know, we are not one that immediately you
know, pulls the pulls the gun and starts shooting people. They're usually very
very you know, solid reasons for why we get into them. I would
say probably Iraq is probably the most sketchy one that we've had to get into.
But even that I look at, you know, what happened, and
all right, I can I can sit on the fence on that one.
Some people will be one way or the other by all means, but and
an example of to be wary of intelligent information, that's exactly where I'm going.
That's why I sat on the fence on that one. Yeah, because
we had we had intelligence I was just fundamentally wrong and it was it was
faked, it was it was bogus, and that's what led the leaders to
believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. And that fundamentally is where we
go. I mean, if you're if you're if your job is to protect
the American people, right, that's your job, and that a lot of
people in the Department Defense take that job very seriously. They really do.
And I've been asked about corruptions in OSD and stuff, and I'm like,
you know, in the military, I'm like, I don't see corruptions.
I see passionate people trying to protect them. Now we may disagree in terms
of that, you know, where to take that passion, which is fine.
That's being an American, right, right. You have the ability to
disagree. But I'll tell you right now, I mean, I don't see
the corruption that I hear people trying to say that's there. I just haven't
seen it exactly. You know, my family public servants. They both ran
the National Park Service. I've done a lot of reporting on science and space
and working with NASA and astronauts and you know, military witnesses, even when
it comes to UAP, and I see exactly the same of what you see.
I see patriotic Americans trying to do the right thing for the public and
the public sector. I don't see people actively being deceptive or attempting to not
you know, take on their mandate. And anybody, in my experience of
what I've seen, anybody who had kind of malicious intent wouldn't make it very
far. Yes, No, that's right, they don't. They get weeded
out by the system pretty darn quick. And so I just, you know,
I continue to hope that you know, we as a country, can
you know, hold ourselves together and just understand that we need to gree to
disagree versus you know, trying to choke the other side, you know,
whichever side you believe in, right so, and getting into all of that
difficulty when it comes to the government in the military, it comes back to
you know why I'm passionate about working with Enigma Labs collecting data, collecting these
great videos and then getting them analyzed in the public sector, you know,
transparently, and then also working with the scientific coalition of UAP Studies, where
you've got citizen scientists collecting data, writing papers again transparently, getting that out
for debate and for scientific debate, and which makes them the findings even more
stronger. You know, now that you're part of your board member of SCU,
you know what is your passion? What has gotten you involved in this
topic? Uh? You know a few a few reasons why I got involved.
First, I've moved out here to Utah and started watching Skinwalker ranch series
to where I'm like, okay, you know, I'm gonna boil it down
to there's some interesting phenomena there that I can't I can't easily easily dismiss.
Okay, But at the same point I can I can boil it down to
either either their lying or or they're telling them the truth. And the only
way you can really get at that is you've got to be able to independently
go and assess it yourself. So I literally bought property near Skinwalker Ranch and
I'm fixing it up to do my own stuff. And I've talked to a
lot of the neighbors around there, and you know, some say, you
know, I've never seen anything, and I've lived here my entire life,
and some say, oh, yeah, no, I saw this, you
know, thing in the sky and it took off and it was you know,
So it's it's kind of interesting that. And in fact, if you
know Space Wolf and Ryan Burns, he's got property near there. He's got
some interesting stories and stuff that's happened on his property. And and so,
uh me personally, and being a scientie, you I'll put my scientific hat
on. It's like, okay, let me try try and tackle it right.
And then at the same point, I personally have never seen anything that
you know, from my work in the military or supporting the military, that
I couldn't explain, or I haven't seen anything in the sky that I couldn't
explain. Now, I do have one photo from one of my security cameras
on my property that I I'm scratching my head on. I showed it to
Jay Stratt and he goes, I think you caught an ORB, right,
But for me that I consider that a data point, right, that is
not the answer. And so when I say a data point, okay,
that camera is not geared for that kind of data collection. It was pure
luck if I if that is an ORB, because I've got hundreds of other
videos and images where there's nothing anomalous, right, And so I just want
to get better stuff out there and things of that nature. And and and
I'm trying to work with the neighbors. I mean, some of them are
on the fence, and you know, some of them don't want stuff on
their property. And you know, so it's I think you got to kind
of, you know, lead the way and get do it yourself. But
then in my own personal background, my my mom claims that my grandfather had
seen a UFO. They lived in port just now it's like almost downtown Portland.
But she said that my grandfather had seen UFO when and she doesn't remember
if she was too young or had been born and actually looking at Robert Powell's
UFOs and the government book. I think I identified which sighting it was,
and I asked her, I said, it could have been nineteen forty seven
and the police getting called in, and she goes, that might have been
right. She goes, only about two years old at the time, and
but I, you know, my grandfather passed away before I was even born,
so I never had a chance to even hear those stories myself. And
then my mom also says that she had seen a couple of orbs sitting in
the sky and she said they just kind of sat there. And she was,
you know, seventh grade or something. She was running around with a
friend and she stopped she saw him. She like pointed to her friend and
goes, hey, what are those? She said, there was one it
took off, So, you know, having that stuff in your background.
And then I got another case where I had my my ex father in law
and divorce and remarried. But he's a chiropractor, or was a chiropractor in
the Beaverton area, and their family had really close ties with the Vatican.
Basically, his brother was a priest, and to get out of priesthood and
get married you actually have to have a letter from the Pope, and he
was able to do that because as I knew him, he was he was
married and had kids. But so apparently they knew the upper echelon in the
in the Vatican. And fundamentally there was somebody from the Vatican visiting that he
said claim the reason he was in the US was to go visit some aliens
that they had given to the US government after World War Two, And just
recently there was a news story on that. So I just found that interesting.
Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but it just I
find it interesting that there's a i'll call it additional data points, right,
And so you know, I'm happy to throw my experience and background and and
try and help to get to the bottom of the of the phenomena. And
I'll do what I can mm hmm. Interesting. And you know what else
that makes me think of is I had a great interview the last show with
ball lightning scientists, so and I was really surprised at some of the characteristics
that uh, they believe are ball lightning. And he even has like this
amazing vid he's writing a paper on. So I mean, there's just a
lot of scientific discovery to Yes, yes, I mean, I you know,
if it's if it's a ball, I mean, because it's bright.
I mean it pegged my uh pegged my camera in terms I ran a histogram
across it, and it pegged it. And I think it's you know,
if you look at it, I mean, we'd have to do a completely
different discussion on this, but I mean, if you look at it,
it's like you can see a bright spot coming off my neighbor's fence, and
then it looks like there's a reflection from behind it. And so you know,
I don't think it's there's no real way for light to get there reflective
in terms of where I'm seeing it. And so you know, me again,
I want to get I want to get something out there. My wife
when we were out there one time, you know, she said she saw
something kind of down you know, in the field behind our place, and
she said it it seemed too bright to be like you know, animals eyes
being reflect it back at her. But she didn't know what it was.
And at that time I was passing a kidney stone, so I was in
pain, and the in our trailer. But uh, but yeah, so
you know, it seems based on my my personal interaction with people out there
and what I've seen in some of my data, there might be something there,
and so you know, I'd like to get down to the bottom of
it, you know. And I've as I mentioned, I know Jay Stratton
and Travis Taylor both I interviewed at Radiance and decided to take the deputy Chief
Scientists position. But I as far as I can tell, they're they're good,
outstanding people, and so I'll defend I'll defend what they're doing until I
have data otherwise, right, right, And what's exciting I think is that
with technology being smaller and more affordable. Uh. And the good thing about
you know, what has happened over the last few years, like skin Walker
and the Pentagon and the Arab Project, is that there are more scientists getting
involved, such as yourself, and so we're at a spot where the public
does have the ability to do their own work and to figure this out on
our own. I have a positive outlook. Yeah, And you know,
one of the things is I was kind of working in the background when I
was at Aerospace Court because they fundamentally would not allowed me to do this publicly.
But now that I no longer work for Aerospace, I can I can
more directly get involved, and so it's that direct involvement. It's kind of
fun. I won't go into some of what I was doing as a as
a behind the scenes guy, but you know, I do know I had
some some positive impacts on some of the data analysis and scientific approaches they were
studying. So that's pretty exciting. And then speaking of j and Travis and
the whole kind of ASEPP group, Eric Davis, one of the scientists who
work with ICEAP, is working out Aerospace Corporation. Yes, I met Eric
when I was in at Aerospace, but now that I'm in SCU, I
mean, everybody talks about him, and I went looked at his background.
I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, it's a pretty interesting background he's
got. Yeah, so what are you working on in the future. That's
a great question. So I'm kind of supporting Ben been doing that a lot,
so we'll see, you know, if some of his initiatives take off.
And then getting my property ready to start putting stuff out there. We
talked about I started a proposal for doing research with my property, but when
I saw how bad it was and how long it was going to take to
clean up and all that, I kind of put that on the back burner.
So I'll be bringing that, you know, trying to dust it off
and clean it up. I've been trying to work with Matt at uap X
potentially have him bring his central suite out on my property again, trying to
get some of the other property owners to allow us to put stuff on theirs.
One thing that people don't, I would say non scientific people don't understand
is when you do this kind of stuff, you should really be doing a
control experiment at the same time, right, And so when I give you
the data, I say, okay, this is what happened here. Oh,
by the way, I had exactly the same stuff deployed here. You
know, this is what we did to calibrate it. And so there's a
whole bunch of stuff that you should be doing in the background to do this,
right. And until you actually start bringing some of that scientific rigor to
it, you're always going to have a fraction of the scientific community that's just
not going to believe it, right. And so I mean where I'm trying
to go is data integrity, Right, So when the data gets captured there's
there's if I'm the one capturing it, there's a piece of that data that
I can't touch that gets copied somewhere, right, and then there's a piece
that I can work with or I can give to somebody else to work with.
And so data integrity is going to be one of the biggest things I
start poking at as soon as I start getting some capability, and then trying
to work with an enigma, a cider, a you know, SEU database
where it goes in there and and they're they're curating it separately, They've got
backups and everything else. And so you know, what I'm trying to do
and what I hope to help bring to the SCU with some of that rigor
I see a lot of it already, but then just some of my experience
in terms of, you know, having access to some of the database data
coming off of our satellite systems, knowing some of those capabilities that I you
know, I can't really talk about, but I can bring that experience to
the table. And so that's that's what I'm trying to do, right,
And that experience is so important and building that network because I think a lot
of you know, people out there gathering data who aren't necessarily scientists. They
don't know the right way to collect that data. And now they can go
to someone like you who can give them at that advice. And it may
be frustrating because now you have to double your effort, but at least now
you know, you know that you'll be gathering data that's going to really product.
I mean, first and foremost, my first recommendati if you think you've
got something, give it to an Enigma labs. Give it to an SCU,
right, so they've got it, and then they can reach out to
me or somebody else within the SCU to then analyze it. Right. It
doesn't have to be me, there's lots of other great scientists out there.
But I mean, if you understand the scientific method and how to do the
analysis. I mean, in fact, you know, maybe what I do
is create a course, right and teach people how to do that. And
so the Society for U I. P Studies has asked us to when I
say us, it's Richard, Professor Richard Griffiths and I to to kind of
regive the same paper we did at the SCU, but now for them,
but have the have the twist on having that critical thinking aspect in there,
right and kind of how that evolved on our on our project. So yeah,
there's I'm finding that when it comes to UAP studies and having scientists support.
My gosh, you guys have been just starting for good scientific support for
a long time and and hopefully as as as people better than I come in,
we can we can help, you know, help turn that ship and
get a going in the direction. Well, I agree, and and thank
goodness people like you are involved, and thank you so much for taking the
time to come do this interview. Oh happy, too happy to and good
luck on your endeavors. And hopefully Anigba continues to thrive and and does great
things. Yeah, definitely won't be in touch, all right, that's a
good cases to give you. Yep, yep, Thank you so much to
doctor Bettner. What an interesting person and what an interesting interview. I really
am excited for the future of this topic with people like him getting in and
doing analysis and getting involved with helping move this topic forward. I think that
getting all of these kind of traditional scientists who have spent their life doing aeronautical
science and physics and astrophysics and all of these things are really going to be
able to help move the credibility of this topic forward, but even more than
that, find answers. So hopefully we can find a space where we can
all kind of get together to do this sort of research and focus on the
science and the citizens science. Hmmm, what kind of space would make that
something that we could all work on together. I'll talk about that later,
but first let's look at the Enigma signings. We have partnered with Enigma Labs
to bring you interesting UAP sidings weekly that they collect via their app and website.
If you have a report to submit, you can download the app app
at the Apple App Store or submit it via the website at Enigma labs dot
io. And the interest of full disclosure, I am a paid consultant for
Enigma, but that's how I can keep an eye on the best videos and
keep you up to date on the good videos that come in, and I'm
excited to share them with you on the show. So this week, I've
got a signing that I think we can explain, and then I've got one
that is much more mysterious. So first let's look at the one that I
think we can explain. So I came across this one when we were looking
for sightings. One of my coworkers actually found it. We're looking at sightings
from Japan. Why, we had a couple articles that came out in Japan
about the Enigma Labs app, so we got more people downloading the app and
looking at it from Japan, so we wanted to kind of look and highlight
some of their sightings. Well, one of them that I found here and
I'll go ahead and play it. You can see here is just some lights
in the sky. They look very weird, kind of fuzzy or hazy and
round. This one in particular that they focus on it also kind of twinkles.
What could that be? Ladies and gentlemen. This is the one where
we can explain it. I am nearly I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure
this is a Chinese lantern? How do I know? Here are the telltale
signs on these ones. First of all, there's usually a few. Sometimes
there's just one, but usually there's a few. And at the beginning of
this video you'll notice there were a couple more there. They are a couple
more in the background, so there are actually three of them. But this
person focuses on just one. When they zoom in, the object looks fuzzy
because the camera is never getting focused. In fact, you can tell the
cameras going from worst focus to bad focus to worst focus. It never gets
completely in focus, so that's one of the problems, and that's why it
looks round like it does. We can't see the actual shape of the object,
but even if it was in focus, you would see something that kind
of looks like a point of light. It's also orangey. These are typically
orange and red because that's the color of the paper that surrounds the candle that
is inside. And they flicker, and that's the big giveaway. And you
can when you watch this video, you can see the intensity of the light
kind of dimming and getting brighter as it flickers because it's a candle that's inside
of this thing. So that's how you tell Chinese lanterns. They often look
very astonishing when you're driving and you see this row of like three lights and
they're just floating overhead and they look really cool. They get mistaken for UFOs
a a lot, and I believe that's what's happened in this video as well.
So this is just the educational part to let you guys know what a
Chinese lantern looks like. But I will put a link in the show notes,
and if you disagree with me, feel free to go in and comment
on the sighting or send me a note saying hey, I think you're wrong
and here's why. And this is kind of exciting because this is a Japanese
one. It's from Fusa in the Tokyo Prefecture, so in the Tokyo area
in Japan, Tokyo being the largest city in the world, it's a big,
big place. But let's look at the more mysterious one. Ooh,
I love these now, some of you you can see right off the bat
looks pretty cool. This one is in Belgrade, Montana. It happened on
June fifth, so just the other day, not very long ago. And
I'll play this video and you can see what looks like a long object.
So we see the night sky, there are clouds, but we see the
starscape in the background, and you see this really long, bright object slowly
moving across the sky. It's and it's very very long like, but it's
moving together. One of my first thoughts. And you can see as it
gets to the clouds, it gets behind the clouds and you can't see it,
so it's well well above the clouds. My first thought is maybe a
starlink train of satellite, because you know there'll be several satellites in a row,
all moving together. They usually seem to move a little faster than this,
but maybe not. The issue here is it doesn't look like a string
of individual objects. It looks like one long object that is solid. The
video, though, the camera plays a role and it's a psionics and I'm
going to go over that a little more because this is an important piece of
equipment. But a psionics is a light intensifier. It's kind of of like
a night vision and it's a I almost said poor man's night vision, but
that's not a good way to put it. It's a great piece of equipment.
It's really cool. In fact, the night vision that it gets is
on par with very very expensive night vision military equipment. But what it does
is it makes everything a lot brighter. So one tiny piece of light is
going to look bigger with it being intensified. So it could be just several
objects being blended together to look like one long object, but I don't know.
It really doesn't look like that. But it could be, so I
would love. That's why it's mysterious. That's why I can't figure out what
this one is. This is a really good one. I can't say for
sure it is a sterling train, but take a look and let me know
what you think. I know some of you are going to be like,
what is he talking about? Why does he think it's several objects? It's
obviously just one big, long object, And maybe you're right. I'm just
trying to do what you do when you look at UAP sidings. What you
have to do is try to rule out anything prosaic it may be. And
that's the closest thing I can think of this thing being. So I'm trying
to roll that out, and I think maybe I have so maybe some other
people will look at it more closely and be able to determine and see whether
those look like individual objects. The other thing is if you have a psionics
camera, So let me show you these on the website, and for those
of you listen, I'll kind of describe it so you could see here.
The most expensive one is on sale for one hundred and fifty eight hundred and
fifty dollars, which is actually a pretty good price, because you know night
vision is going to be a lot more expensive. A night vision equivalent to
something like this. The power of one of these is going to cost you
a couple thousand dollars. What's incredible is these cameras have been out for at
least five six years and there hasn't been a really good competitor that's come out.
There's been a couple that have tried. In fact, I'm frustrated because
I paid three hundred and fifty dollars for an Indiego Go, which was a
camera that was going to be a competitor to this one, to save money.
A friend of mine suggested it, and that was three hundred and fifty
dollars down the tubes. They never sent me the camera and they will not
respond to my emails. Extremely frustrating. I probably should have just gone with
one of these. I just I still haven't gotten one. But the other
cool thing about this camera is that beyond just doing the night vision, what
a military grade night vision won't have that this has is a recording function,
so you can record video, you can take pictures. It's a super device.
It has a zoom, I believe, but it looks really clear,
like you can see in that video, so you can see the Aurora Pro
here is the best one. There is an Aurora Black, and an Aurora
Regular and an Aurora Pro. Each one has either different features. The Pro
is the best one because it has the most light intensifying capabilities, so you're
going to see more than with other things. And why is this helpful for
looking for UAP. Well, when you go out in the sky and you
look with your eyes or with binoculars, you're going to see a lot of
stuff. But when you use one of these things, you see a lot
lot more. So it really does help. And I have had at least
one incredible sighting using night vision. In fact, let me share with you
that story. And there's a couple of things going on so at Enigma.
We've been doing some Twitter spaces where we've done some interviews. Our last one
was with doctor Bittner, also with Ben Hansen, and we were talking about
the New York LaGuardia case that I told you all about that got really big,
right In fact, the case that I talked to you guys about last
time on the show, I got ham like fifty thousand views on TikTok it
went really big on TikTok, so you're getting like the best cases first before
anybody else on this show. But we're doing a couple more spaces next week.
We're going to do one with Mick West. Of course he's a skeptic,
but we're going to talk to him about his process and and you know
his thoughts and get to know him better. But in a couple of weeks,
on July second World UFO Day is what it's called, we're going to
interview the Navajo Rangers. So John Dover and Stan Milford who were rangers for
the Navajo and they were rolling on paranormal cases, including UFO cases, So
we're going to interview them about their UFO cases. You may see them.
They've been on the Skinwalker Show. They're going to be on the Beyond Skinwalker
show on History Channel. But I had my first sighting with them, so
I've known them for a while living out here in Arizona, and one of
their very first talks. They started hanging out with us at the Arizona chapter
of Moufon and they brought their night vision when they did their first talk,
and this might have been like one of their first talks ever. If not
their first talk ever. And we went to go skywatching and I was using
one of the night vision goggles, looked up in the sky and I saw
five lights that were in a group moving away from each other. And they
look like satellites because they look that high. Anything that you know, moves
in a straight, steady line at night and doesn't seem to alter its speed
or direction, I'll usually call a satellite because that's what satellites do. But
these all started right in the same area and continued out in five day different
directions. Really really weird. And as I'm watching that, I'm like,
is anybody else watching this? And sure enough John Dover, when of the
Navajo rangers, was also looking at it. So pretty cool. Those guys
have become buddies of mine and I talked to them and hang out with them
often. But yeah, that was a really cool sighting. I if I
would have had this psionics or aurorra pro device, I could have recorded that
and then shown everybody what the heck is this weird thing that I saw.
So that's what's really cool about this device. I definitely would recommend it to
people. I don't know anybody who is not happy with this, and it's
exciting to see this sighting that someone used one of those psionics and you can
tell in the video just what a great image that you get. It's a
really cool device. So yeah, what the heck is that I do not
know? Check it out? So what did I want to share with you
all? At the end here this so you know, beat me up for
it, But I agree with Sean ka Patrick that all of this rumor and
hearsay, which in my experience never amounts to anything. And you've got to
realize people that for twenty five odd years here, I've been writing articles where
I deep dive into UFO cases and rumors in hearsay and the vast, vast
majority turns out to be nothing. And unfortunately, I've been a big low
apologist, you know, a lot of my life, you know, because
there were people upset with Robert Bigelow and his National Institute for Discovery Sciences,
which is the group that then went on to run as app the government program
that now everybody's all happy about, and then eventually David Gresh worked with I've
known these guys for a long time and they make a lot of claims.
They believe a lot of things, just like a lot of my friends and
colleagues you in this field. But they've never proven any of them. And
unfortunately, I feel once their evidence has been shown, it's often a real
letdown and it's not as explosives as they believe it to be. I don't
think they're liars. I think they believe these things are going on. I
think they believe that they've experienced some weird things. But there's a difference between
a story and proving something, and we've got to prove it. Enough with
the stories. I'm tired of the stories. We really need to focus on
getting results, getting data, and getting those receipts. So I've created this
nonprofit called UAP Discovery, and you'll see here the purpose is. Our mission
is to lead a global community of citizen sciences to contribute to the understanding of
the unidentified anomalies phenomenon mystery and freely share their discoveries. So this is along
the lines of SETI or NASA. This is citizen science where we're going to
go go out gather people to gather data like we're doing with Enigma, but
doing it further analyzing that video or evidence amongst each other. But also figuring
out what kind of devices you can see here a UAP data collection. What
kind of devices do we need to gather the correct data to allow researchers and
scientists to write papers to be able to convince the scientific community or any others
to demonstrate something unusual is going on. We recently had a ball lightning scientist.
He can't prove that ball lightning is real, even though it most likely
is and most people assume it to be real, but we don't know for
sure and what is the nature of that phenomena. We need more data to
understand that. We need more data to understand UAP. We can see here
like people have been doing for decades, banging on the wall of the White
House or the Pentagon saying, give us information, give us information. Well,
one, they haven't provided much inform. Two we don't even know if
they have very much information. And what information they had have as very revelatory
or is packaged in a way that scientists can use it to write white papers
or to write papers to be able to then get that to scientific community.
We can all figure this out together, like you're supposed to do with science.
That's why I've created UAP discovery, and that's what I'm going to be
doing. The heart of UAP Discovery is going to be the forums. So
I've built a forum. Feel free to go check it out and join that
forum. In that forum, I'm going to be posting a lot of information,
a lot of cases, a lot of these videos that I can't figure
out, so we can discuss them and try to figure it out. There
will be no conspiracy. There also will be no bashing of anyone, no
bashing of skeptics, no bashing of believers. We're going to be talking constructively
about cases and focusing on the research and the and we're going to be very
strict in this forum. If you can't be disciplined enough not to get in
arguments with other people or not to bash you know, John Kirkpatrick or bash
him Mussan, I guess Sam Oil believer, then you know this isn't a
forum for you. This is constructive conversation focused on figuring things out. The
other thing that we're going to be doing is supporting students, educators, aviators,
and first responders. What do I mean by that? Helping I get
a lot of students coming to me. I want to write a paper.
I want to encourage that, so I've got a lot of resources here on
government documents and studies and government and scientific research papers, so students can come
here and write their papers. They can also join the forum and talk with
people like you and I who can help them with getting information and writing their
papers. Educators, there are a lot of educators who are now wanting to
teach their students about UAP. To network those guys together so we can talk
about curriculum and building curriculum and who's built, what's worked for who, so
we can have a network of these educators aviators. Ben Hansen has done a
lot of work coordinating with aviators and getting information and showing them how to report
their UAP and how to gather the data because it's really important, like we
talked about with doctor Bittner, that you've got to gather that data quickly before
it's gone in order to share it for your siting and then law enforcement.
I work with law enforcement currently. I helped build a group called the uappd
uapdashpd dot com is where you can find them, and I'll have them and
other law enforcement in here so they can get help. Some of our best
cases come from law enforcement. Why who do people call when they see a
UAP? They call the police, they call nine to one one, they
call first responders, and a lot of times those people roll. But what
happens is mostly they don't know what to do, so they either don't do
any thing, or they go out there and they gather information, but they
don't know what to do with that information. We want to help them with
gathering that information, getting it to the right people so it can be researched
and investigated. So this is all what we want to do, a space
for a safe space for gathering data and focusing on figuring out what UAP are
without having to rely on the government. And like I said, under resources,
I've got a lot of information. So I've got research papers those are
scientific or just research papers on this topic, tons of them in there,
government documents or every agency out there that's released government documents, from Bluebook to
the CIA to FBI. We've got a lot of resources. There. Information
about the NASCA UAP study team and the congressional hearing. So if you're like
when did that hearing happen? Where can I watch the video? Where can
I get a transcript? Where can I get the supplemental data that was provided
in that congression hearing. I've got it all right here, so you can
use a website for that. UAP Discovery dot org. It is a nonprofit
Arizona company currently and our IRS five oh one C three is pending. So
I'm very excited about this project. I think it's about time. To me,
it's like a setting like effort in order to focus people on the real
science of this topic. And you know, other people always try to pull
me into conspiracy this or advocacy that. You know what. There's a lot
of organizations to do all of that kind of thing. There is no organization
to do this sort of thing right now, So that's why I've created this
one. The close it would be, of course, the SEU, the
Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, which I helped I was a founding member of
and I've been a board member of and I still appreciate and support their work
and I help to work very closely with them. What they've done is incredible.
And if you want to write a research paper, that's where you go,
and I'll network you with those people so they can help you write your
paper. So we can all begin to understand all of this more together.
So I'm very excited about this effort. Uapdiscovery dot org. Anyway, thank
you all so much for joining the show once again this week, and I've
got more exciting interviews lined up. Just a lot going on, as you
can see. But yeah, check out the website and go ahead and join
the forum. It's brand news. I'm working bugs and kinks out, but
we'll get it all worked out, and we'll make this a great community where
we can all work together on the serious study of UAP. I'm confident we
can figure out much more about this phenomenon. I think we've got some very
exciting days ahead, So thank you all very much for joining me. Speaking
of exciting days ahead, I've got some exciting interviews scheduled, so stay tuned
and we'll see you next time.