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Today and Open Mind UAP News.
We've got some wild science news. Congress

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is still crazy about UAP. We've
got an interview with doctor Doug Bittner,

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an astronomical engineer, and of course
we'll review some Enigma UAP. So stay

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tuned. Hello and welcome to Open
Mind JAP News. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas. I've got some great
news and update on something I've been

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working on. But before that,
let's go ahead and get into the news.

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There's quite a bit going on here, beginning with, like I said,

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some wild science news. So in
this case, it has to do

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with Dyson's fears. This is something
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advanced alien civilization would do. I've
always been a bit skeptical, to be

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honest, but the news is that
there are scientists who are saying maybe they

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have some evidence that Dyson spheres are
happening. So here's an image a Dyson

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sphere. Essentially, it's just like
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on our roofs. Instead they're saying, and this was an idea that

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came from the sixties, that an
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Sun and their solar system by surrounding
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image where the object the Sun,
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somewhat surrounded. In the past,
there have been situations where we thought

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maybe we got some other indication of
a Dyson sphere. In that case,

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it was a signal from a star
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down that still hasn't been determined that
Actually people think that it might be some

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sort of cosmic dust, but in
this case Dyson, the science the Freeman

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Dyson, who theorized this in the
sixties. He said that one way that

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we would be able to detect these
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the waste in this case would be
an infrared heat signature, but we didn't

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have the technology to do that in
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that is reviewing five million stars that
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signs of an inferred heat, that
signature that we can't explain, and they

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just released that they have found seven
potential candidates thus far. Just because they're

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getting some inferre to heat doesn't mean
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No, but the way the news
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this sort of thing. So that's
the news in the headlines you're saying about,

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you know, potential Dyson spheres around
suns. Moving on news from the

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economic times. Now, this is
something that I've talked about a lot,

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and that is a study from the
Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies. Of course,

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I've been a board member for a
long time. I'm not currently.

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I'm focusing on other efforts that I'm
going to share with you towards the end

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of the show. But this article
came out, did UFOs deactivate US missiles

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collect vital information on nuclear arsenals and
ICBMs? What did Pentagon mandarins say?

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Such a weird term, mandarins,
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Well, when the Pentagon was asked
about nukes and UAP in a hearing,

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they said they didn't have any information
on that, which was kind of concerning.

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I even did a couple of news
interviews saying, well, that's weird

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because it's a big topic in this
sphere, and the military themselves are the

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ones who raised this concern in the
fifties. So it was interesting that they

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didn't know anything. And I don't
know if they've gone back and educated themselves

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yet, but the Scientific for Coalition
for UAP Studies, some of their members

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have put out several research documents regarding
this topic. What they've done is gone

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back into the past, look for
really good sightings, and then look for

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things like are there more sightings at
facilities that held nuclear material than at regular

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military installations or nearby populated areas.
And what they found is that there was

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a statistically significant increase in sightings in
early weapons development areas and facilities, which

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is really interesting. I highly recommend
people going to the website. I'll put

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a link in the show notes and
checking out their study because they had some

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really interesting findings. Now, they
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in some of the other locations,
but none of it was that significant or

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like I said, statistically significant,
which is what a study's looking for.

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The other thing that they did was
an analysis on intent, So they did

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an intelligence type of analysis to say, you know, what seems to be

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the nature of this observation. Should
there be observation going on by whatever these

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UAP may be, And they said
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of data gathering. You know,
this does fit along with anecdotal information,

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and we do have a lot more
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incursions into their airspace. Now,
one of the reasons might be because that

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is some of the most secure airspace, so they're going to have more attention

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being paid to incursions over those facilities
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we have the documentation. But still
really interesting stuff. It's great the Economic

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Times has covered this because I think
the SEU guys did some great work there

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that is worth looking at. Moving
on aviation safety and unidentified anomalous phenomena discussed

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at the European Parliament, so this
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UAP coalition Netherlands they're called, but
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has kind of been pushing this forward
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had a lot of positive response.
One of the things that he has proposed

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is having the EU have a standard
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on. So that's really interesting,
very positive news. This is just kind

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of the beginning. But you know, one of the concerns here is that

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they need to pay attention because some
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or Chinese weapons systems that they need
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like it's been the trend lately,
a lot of the UAP discs is kind

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of around awareness, all domain awareness, so in other words, making sure

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that we understand what's in our errors, what is going over secured airspace,

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you know, making sure we understand
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there. And the biggest threats that
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around and we don't know who they
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concern is advanced technologies from other countries. Now a lot of people are saying,

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well, what's that got to do
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more strange than that, and you're
right, but UAP is divined. It

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is something that is not something that
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these eye objects wouldn't be And my
argument is, hey, if this is

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what gets people looking, then the
other thing they're going to be collecting.

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And of course a lot of these
groups are there concerned also or their interests,

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like in what are the strange things
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that's going to be collected on that. Hopefully that data will then be shared

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with researchers that was in the debrief
and ifl science. This article came out

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and now it's been all over the
place. UFOs may be evidence of crypto

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terrestrials secretly living among us, so
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and the researchers are from Harvard's Human
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study is really weird, and this
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going into hearsaying kind of the wild
stories out there that you get from the

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Internet and proposing that well, maybe
there's something living underground, or some sort

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of weird thing that's been here for
a long time, or aliens disguising themselves

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as humans. Lots of really weird
stuff and as it highlights here, highly

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controversial information that it's taking to make
these proposals. This paper has not been

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peer review, but it's awfully interesting
that they undertook this study and it has

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been really this is a first story
that came out a couple of days ago,

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six days ago, but I've noticed
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been a ton of headlines on this
story. So we'll see with that if

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you're interested. There's a link here
to that paper for you to go read.

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In other news, the Daily Mail. I don't necessarily always cover the

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Daily Mail because they're pretty sensationalistic.
However, this article is written by doctor

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David Clark, who is a journalist
a lecturer, but he also focuses on

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folklore and has written and researched a
lot about UAP, often from a skeptical

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perspective. But that's what I find
really interesting about this case. So this

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headline, two British friends took this
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from sinister men in dark suit,
breaking his silence. After thirty four years,

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their old colleague now reveals what happened
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see it. Ooh, so there
is a mystery about this case. This

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case is called the Calvine case often. It happened in nineteen ninety where these

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two guys were hiking. They saw
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around nearby snapped a picture. That
picture is now somewhat famous. Now,

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I interviewed Nick Pope, who worked
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cases. Mysteriously, David Clark does
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although I think he has voiced some
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I'll put it that way. But
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said this was a known case when
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had a copy of the photo put
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But one day he came to work
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where did the photo go? And
they said, well, we took

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it down because we think that it
is high tech US technology, and that

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is kind of the leading theory for
this photo. But at that time that

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I talked to Nick, we didn't
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We had a artist rendering off of
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that photo. The photo came out
in two thousand and nine when the MOD

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released their UAP files, and David
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He since has done a lot of
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the photo. There you go,
ladies and gentlemen, if you follow me,

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you know, we've looked at this
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bit. But what he's been looking
for are the original witnesses and he has

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not been able to find them.
And that's been a lot of what he's

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been writing about looking for these witnesses
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article is interesting just because this is
a coworker of these two gentlemen. They

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were chefs. This guy, now
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coming out and saying, well,
he was friends with them, and he

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saw some men in black looking guys
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seemed a bit frazzled, and then
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So he believes that maybe they saw
something they weren't supposed to. He

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is also speculating that maybe they saw
some top secret military thing that they weren't

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supposed to see. And this is
the guy their friend here who is the

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subject of his story back then when
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of the story. Here. Here
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then the actual picture that David Clark
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researcher who worked at the mod had
the picture and had kind of stuffed it

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away, and then when he read
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he got in touch and was able
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interesting case. I'll also link to
my article on Open Minds about my interview

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with Nick Pope and this photo going
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UFO's investigations in Japan. So there
is a group of lawmakers in Japan

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who have decided to start a UAP
organization. Again, this is because they're

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saying, you know, this could
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so we really need to pay attention
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What they're also referencing is an arrow
document which shows some of the hot spots

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around the country, and it shows
that an area in between a Japan in

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China there have been a lot of
sightings. So that's one of they're justifying

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making this organization. So it's always
a good step, right when countries are

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paying attention to this and hopefully putting
some more eyeballs on it and maybe even

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getting some interesting information. But in
the past, the Japanese government mysteriously I

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said, they haven't gotten any UAP
reports, and in the Japanese The Japannews

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dot com or newspaper here allegedly the
Japanese Aviation Bureau says that they have not

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received any uf reports in the past
five years. So I really wonder what's

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going on there. It doesn't make
sense that they wouldn't receive any sidings,

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especially because most other countries and definitely
the US, get quite a few sightings

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reported, even though it's kind of
looked upon poorly or the FA for instance,

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doesn't have a policy out there to
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So it's interesting that japan is saying
that they don't get these reports.

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So is it a cultural thing where
people just don't want to report? This

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is something I'd love to talk to
someone more familiar with the Japanese kind of

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aerospace industry out there about. Hopefully
we'll get that chance. If you're one

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of those people, definitely let me
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to developing there. What's next for
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is out there. It's a great
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that I followed quite a bit because
he's doing a great job on letting us

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know about legislation around UAP, but
he is also good at delving into the

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details, giving us information on the
stage of whatever legislation as it's being improved

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or not, and then also giving
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Well, he's wondering, well,
what's going on with AEROW now? So

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we interviewed a lot of people.
He interviewed doctor Kirkpatrick. He interviewed some

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people like Chris Mellan, Tim Galladette. He also talked to some skeptics such

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as Stephen green Street from the New
York Post and mcwest and ask them what's

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going on with her or what do
you think is happening? And they got

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some very interesting perspectives, and I
think that the wide amount of perspectives is

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really interesting. What I do find
interesting, also, though, is that

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this idea of disclosure, none of
these people are very clear about what that

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means. What is disclosure to them? And at least in UFO circles,

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it seems like disclosure is people wanting
the government to disclose what they think they

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know, even though they don't have
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It's kind of confusing because if I
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more about the nature of what they
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necessarily know anything. And we'll get
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a bit here, but what I
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them to disclose more about disinformation that's
something they do know. So have they

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had instances where they have confused the
public or led the public to believe something's

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a UFO when it's not. We
have documentation that the CIA and the US

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Air Force did this in the nineteen
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other aspects of this topic that should
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fact, Congress is mandated that that's
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let alone. Many of you also
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gentleman who worked for the US Air
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eighties, who created a lot of
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I believe influenced the belief systems of
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Many of the themes in this that
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guy who said he did it for
disinformation. He said he would did it

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at the behest of his superiors and
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nobody's really addressed this, neither the
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So this is the sort of stuff
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let alone more about what they know. But do they know much? Let's

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get it more into that in just
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begins with great two days at aui's
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Thanks NSF, the National Science Foundation
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National Science Foundation had a UAP workshop. We don't know much about who spoke

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or what was talked about, but
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the topic still. Senator Kristen Gillibrand. This comes from Matt Laslo, someone

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we've looked at before because he's asking
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that she wants to have a public
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for. Others, of course,
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US House of Representatives representative for California. But Congressman Robert Garcia actually proposed a

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few amendments for the upcoming NDAA.
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and in the last three years,
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the government's involvement with UAP research,
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that sort of thing. The Schumer
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year, and this was an amendment
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could overlook the release of information,
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included things like eminent domain on any
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be non human in nature. So
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Schumer Amendment in the House where the
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so those look like they won't happen. In fact, Dean Johnson, who

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were talking about just a minute ago, says it doesn't look like there will

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be any UAP amendment for the first
time in this act, and this could

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be the reason. New article in
Bloomberg Great article by Tyler Cowen. He

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is a occasional Bloomberg opinion columnist.
He's written about UAP a few times.

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He is a professor of economics at
George Mason University and host of the Marginal

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Revolution blog. But he writes here, the real government conspiracy isn't about UFOs.

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Officials aren't suppressing evidence that alien life
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admit that they don't know. And
I think he's right. He goes on

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to talk about a few things.
First, he talks about this Intelligence Authorization

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Act that just passed. Here.
It is it which asks for a review

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of ARROW and what they're up to, essentially, and it also kind of

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talks about their funding, but essentially
saying that you know, there should be

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no funding on UAP unless Congress is
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but is there more information there?
He points out that the historical document

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that came out from Arrow when it
got into older cases, was very vague

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and it didn't include the most important
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students were to write a paper,
he would expect that one of the big

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important points that was made in this
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concern and there are some that are
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make, But it wasn't until way
later in the document that they made that

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statement, and they didn't justify that
statement. How would they have justified that

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statement by covering something like the nimics
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that they have yet to answer.
But instead they really don't include anything they

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couldn't answer and gloss over that,
trying to kind of make it seem like

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they have a handle on the subject
when they really don't. And his point

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is they don't want to admit that, they don't want to admit that there

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are good cases out there they can
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I think that's part of what's going
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going on is what I'm talking about. They're also not talking about their role

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in disinformation or misleading the public,
which has created all of these conspiracies that

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Aero's former chief Song Kirkpatrick has been
very vocal about in the media, being

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upset that these people in their conspiracies
are side tracking me and they're they're getting

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in the way and they're convincing Congress
of all this crazy stuff and I can't

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do my job. Well, that's
fine, but what role did you play

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government? Obviously, the CIA,
the US Air Force, this guy who

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worked for the Air Force OSI and
while he was working for them, putting

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out this disinformation and saying he was
doing at that at the behest of his

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leaders. All of that is responsible
for this environment, partially largely responsible for

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this environment. They definitely need to
answer for that, and hopefully they will.

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But I think he's right. I
think that these people who say the

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government's hiling aliens, all of this
stuff that comes from these tropes, this

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mythology and that's been out there and
has not been proven for decades, I

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think they're really way off base.
That they're really expecting the government to be

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much more competent around this topic than
they actually have been. So I think

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he's exactly right. That's the conspiracy
and that's what's being hidden. But still

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by hiding that information, by not
being forthcoming, then it gives this air

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of secrecy and what are you hiding? And they really just don't speak to

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it. That's why we need to
do something else. And I've got a

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solution for us, and I'll go
over that just a little bit here,

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but getting into the final kind of
pieces of newscare starlink. So a new

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People paper came out. This is
an article on fizz dot org. Starlinks

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can produce surprisingly bright flares for UAP
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We've covered this quite a bit.
We've talked to Ben Hansen, but

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there's another guy who has helped write
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that is doctor Doug Bitner, and
we're going to be talking to him in

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a minute. But this is a
great example. This is something that's happening

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a lot. There are a lot
of pilots that are submitting videos We've even

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gotten them at Enigma that look weird, but they're actually starlink satellites. Because

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starlink satellites look very strange from an
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commercial pilots are seeing these things.
It's something that should be researched and it

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should be disseminated amongst pilots. But
it's not really happening. But we'll talk

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to doctor Doug about that in just
a minute. But this is interesting news

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that came out lately. And then
finally, I'm really excited about this.

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I just got my copy. But
a historian, Greg Edegean, I know

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I'm saying his name wrong, but
hopefully I'll be able to get in contact

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with him. I'll try to interview
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he is a historian who's written a
book about UFOs after the flying Saucers came

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So I just got my copy.
I'm excited to read it. But this

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book just came out. It proves
to be very interesting and well researched,

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so it says here written by an
academic who's research on UFOs and alien contact

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has been featured in the media and
supported by NASA and the Smithsonian National Air

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and Space Museum. And it actually
came out from Oxford University Press. So

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I'll be reading that and letting you
know what I find. But that's the

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news for today, Let's go ahead
head and take a look at our interview

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for this week, doctor Doug Bittner. All right, I am very happy

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to introduce our guest, doctor Doug
Bittner. Hello and welcome Nil Andre.

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How you doing doing great? So
You've got a huge resume here, and

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I'm going to try to go through
some of the highlights and definitely let people

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know anything I exclude. But currently
you're a deputy Chief Scientist for the Acquisition

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Innovation Research Center, a nonprofit that
works with defense. You had twenty years

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with the Aerospace Corporation, where you
were a flight Software Systems Director advisor on

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the Sentinel missile program. You've worked
at the Pentagon for the Acquisition Policy Analysis

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Center. You've been a consultant for
NASA's JPL, a very famous group.

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Let's see you are in the junk
professor at the University of Utah. You

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taught software intensive space systems engineering at
the University of Southern California, and space

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systems engineering at the University of Colorado
at Colorado Springs. I actually went to

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see you in Boulder. Let's say
you've got your degrees at Oregon State University

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or PhD at the University of Southern
California. And the most recent thing you've

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done, I guess is you've published
a paper in March called the Enhancing Space

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Situational Awareness to Mitigate Risk, a
single case study in the misidentification of a

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recently launched Starlink satellite train as a
UAP in commercial aviation, and that seems

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to be a really important topic.
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who I work with closely, and
something that he had identified as that,

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you know, all of these pilots
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know what it is, and it
doesn't seem to be something that the FAA

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has tackled. Yeah, it was. One of the things that was interesting

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is that when we went through the
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it was actually amazing to me that
the FAA is almost silent on these

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things after it gets reported. I
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that pilot know what they were actually
seeing. And so what we tried to

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do is come up with a you
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would have like an app on a
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they report something that's like through a
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we suggested like the Enigma Labs,
the Cider app even suggested stillarium, but

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something that you know they could do
it and potentially do it anonymously and then

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be done with it. Right.
But then if you do these apps,

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hopefully with these sightings, then you
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where they can go look on on
their theirs submission later on to see actually

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what it was they saw. I
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to be education of the pilots so
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then so they'll be reporting them less. So that was part of the goal

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of it. So mm hmmm,
that's great. That makes a lot of

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sense and Enigma. You know,
one of the things that we've tried to

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do is kind of crowdsource the analysis
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you got involved, Ben got involved. I had sent him and I sent

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him send him some of the best
stuff that you know, I review even

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with my audience here to look at. But write the feedback loop, you

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don't know who to trust sometimes because
as you've seen, you know, you'll

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get a lot of responses. Oh
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like Reddit and everything else. It

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was like, oh, come on, people right right, So it gets

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really difficult who to trust. And
that's what I've been trying to do even

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with the show, is get that
kind of feedback so that people can here

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who are the credible people looking at
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all have come up with. Yeah, and actually on that one in particular,

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what's kind of fun is you know, so Ben sent uh sent us

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like three different things to look at, and I almost zeroed in on that

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one immediately because first off, it's
an airplane, and I just got through

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doing an airplane analysis, right,
so I knew how to do that just

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very easily. So we were trying
to see if we get the ADSB data

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for that flight. And the second
I saw that you had the Averrizonto Bridge

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in there, Narrow's Bridge. I
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of it, and so obviously the
first thing I had to do was figure

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out what bridge it was, and
so I literally shoved that into Google image

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and it came back with that,
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take another website which you can use
for shadow analysis, and unfortunately it was

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like ten days later, and I
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the day, so I was able
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my estimate was between three and three
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ten days later. And so I
think that's probably why I was off

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about a half an hour, just
because I didn't have the exact date iled

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in there. But then once we
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and then you worked with with Ben
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were off to the races because we
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actual video so I could see it
exactly what time those objects the object went

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through the frames. And and it
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I had already pegged one of two
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and the balloon that I had initially
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well, maybe if it's far away, it might look like that. But

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the problem is then at that far
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really moving fast right for five frames. And so we tried doing additional stuff.

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now I got the DESB data.
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I know, how about how big
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to trying to estimate basically a field
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came up with distances between about sixty
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actually at the SCU conference, Nick
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balloon that I believe it is the
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and then went out there and did
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fifteen feet out to about fifty feet, and then I did at sixty

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sixty four sixty four is as close
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went out to ninety four feet,
and then he did a one hundred and

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one hundred twenty. So we've got
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to bracket it. And you know, I'm standing there trying to rotate it

407
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.039
around, trying to get the right
angle, and it's about frames per second.

408
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.039
I should be able to, in
my movie come up with the right

409
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:08.159
thing and we can interplate. And
you look at the balloon in my in

410
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:14.119
the video, we got yeah it's
the one. Yeah, yeah. I

411
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.599
at first thought, to my credit, it was probably a solar balloon,

412
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.840
but Ben had disillusioned me. Of
that because he had actually done some work

413
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.360
with solar balloons and they collapsed easily. So that would have collapsed because they're

414
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.519
just then. But then once you
proposed that black zero, that was it.

415
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.320
You could do it. That really
fit on it. Yeah. And

416
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.000
the thing is, once you rotated
a little bit and you got the sun

417
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.719
at the right angle, the reflection
glint off the balloon looks the same as

418
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:45.000
in the video, and that that
rotation aspect of it. And with the

419
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.960
five frames you kind of see some
fuzziness at the end. That's probably the

420
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.360
flap where you actually blow it up. And so you know, like I

421
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.599
said, you know I told you
eight better than eighty percent, I'm getting

422
00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.920
close to saying better than ninety percent. Once I nailed down actually taking that

423
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.320
video, decomposing the frames, seeing
how big it is at what distance,

424
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.199
and then the other thing I still
need to do is I would say narrow

425
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:16.079
down because according to the Noah weather
that we found online in the FA you

426
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:22.480
know has that archived at Iowa State, what we're able to do is get

427
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.599
the winds aloft and that was something
that Mick West completely ignored. And so

428
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.719
the winds loss was doing thirty three
knots based on the data right at three

429
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.679
thousand feet, so they were a
little less than three thousand feet, so

430
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.599
you know it's probably about right,
and there's probably some additional stuff we can

431
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.079
do. Yeah, it went to
a lot being really important because when you

432
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.000
add that to the speed of the
aircraft, your estimations of speed are like

433
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.719
right. And that's why And that's
what was so funny with what was going

434
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.360
on on Twitter. I mean I'm
literally on my way driving out to my

435
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.360
Skinwalker property. I got in your
Skinwalker ranch, and i see my phone

436
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.239
blowing up with all these people talking
about you know, three hundred and sixty

437
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:06.760
miles per hour, and I'm like, what where did that come from?

438
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.239
Yeah? Yeah, just misunderstandings because
of being able to translate, you know,

439
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.599
from feet per second from knots to
miles per hour. That uses a

440
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.760
lot of people, and a lot
of people don't realize knots is not the

441
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.360
same as miles per hour. And
yeah, so those numbers I can confuse

442
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.960
me. In fact, that was
the first mistake I had made because somebody

443
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.679
said, well, it's a knots. I'm like, oh, I thought

444
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.840
it was a meals miles per hour
in terms ADSP and so so when I

445
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.719
said three sixty, it was assuming
that I had miles per hour coming in

446
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.320
the ADSP data. And so my
saying okay, now I got it at

447
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.119
four hundred feet per second, that's
me saying, okay, I fixed the

448
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:51.320
knots problem, right, and then
retranslated. But yeah, it's fundamentally a

449
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.480
vector problem. Right, So you
know, you're as far as you're you

450
00:36:55.480 --> 00:37:00.920
can tell being on an airplane going
two hundred and seven knots, and then

451
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:05.280
something goes by you, it appears
like it's going your speed, your speed

452
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.199
plus their speed in the opposite direction, right. I mean, anybody that's

453
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.320
been on an airplane and saw you
know, you're flying along you see another

454
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.960
airplane go in the other direction.
Basically you're seeing it doing twice the speed

455
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.159
or about right. So if you're
doing four and a miles per hour at

456
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.519
altitude or you know, they can
get going pretty quick at altitude five hundred

457
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.559
plus, and so you know,
it's it's just a it's a vector problem.

458
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.360
And that's what I was trying to
explain on Twitter. I think that's

459
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:37.000
what you know, you pointed this
out. The difficulty of you know,

460
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.800
I currently just really try to not
interface with social media a lot on these

461
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:47.199
things, just kind of share information
because it becomes really really difficult. As

462
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.679
you saw, where there are so
many people invested in these things being mysterious,

463
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.800
and of course we would love that
as well, but you know,

464
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.800
you got to stick with whatever the
facts are. And they get so upset

465
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.840
when you know, you do an
analysis and you share this information and it's

466
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.639
just you know, they don't want
to hear it. I know I've had

467
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:15.000
that same exact conversation with Ben spot
On. I mean, as a scientist,

468
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.239
you're almost damned if you do any
damned if you don't. Right,

469
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.639
So the one thing is you do
want to give it a proper analysis,

470
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.719
but I mean, you want to
call a horse a horse. You don't

471
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:28.199
want to call a horse a pig. I mean everybody who likes to see

472
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.119
pigs, but I'm sorry, it's
a horse, right, It's I just

473
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.320
I look at it this way.
I know that you know, probably better

474
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.840
than ninety percent of the sightings out
there are probably natural objects or things of

475
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:43.719
that nature, and it's just coming
up with an ability to find those things

476
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.039
quite quicker and be able to remove
them from you know, the ten percent

477
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.119
we'd really love to get data on. And and trust me, you know,

478
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.480
I know you sent me at least
one video where I'm like, oh,

479
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.599
that one's interesting, right, And
and so it's just a matter of

480
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.840
trying to get more data where it's
those interesting things that we scientists were saying,

481
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.440
yep, nope, give me more
of that, you know, and

482
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.440
then we can start figuring out what
these things are, where they're coming from.

483
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.360
You know, where they're coming from
might be harder to get at because

484
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.719
we don't even know how they're getting
here. I mean, there's different things

485
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:21.480
in quantum mechanics. Anybody that's been
watching the warp drive al Kubi air warp

486
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.119
drive, that's a possibility right.
In fact, I would say that's probably

487
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.800
one of the leading candidates wormholes,
which is what they believe they got out

488
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.840
at Skinwalker Ranch. And so it's
like there are things in physics that would

489
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.559
allow it, and people just need
to understand that, Okay, great,

490
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:43.320
they do exist. There are theories, and it's the problem of proving the

491
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:49.920
theories correct and then identifying how you
can utilize from a human race standpoint,

492
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:57.119
that specific motor transportation rate. I
mean, it would just phenomenally revolutionize things.

493
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.320
But then you know, if I
put my national security out on,

494
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:05.199
you know, we can get into
a long discussion on nuclear weapons, okay,

495
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.280
And in fact, I got into
a long discussion at the SCU because

496
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.960
I've got a lot of that in
my background. I've you know, been

497
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.079
briefed on that kind of stuff.
What people don't understand and what they need

498
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:21.199
to be reminded of is when we
first built nuclear weapons, it was US

499
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.280
in Russia. It was what's called
two person game theory. You didn't have

500
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.719
all the other players. And so
now when you're in two person game theory,

501
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.119
it's a very simple problem to solve. But now you have basically en

502
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:37.079
person game theory. Ie, you
don't have just the US and Russia.

503
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.280
You've got the US, You've got
France, you've got the UK, You've

504
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.599
got probably Israel, You've got China, you got North Korea, and so

505
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.400
right, it's a big list.
And now you're in something called the Texas

506
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.800
standoff where literally you've got people pointing
a gun at you know, like you

507
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:57.119
know, at everybody else. And
there's only one way out of a Texas

508
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.760
standoff that I know of, and
that's at least one of the players has

509
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.480
to come up with something that revolutionize
and completely makes that other, you know,

510
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.480
a bad weapons. So it's not
a problem. It's like you can

511
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.880
completely remove that as a threat,
or you come up with a much worse

512
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:21.079
threat. Unfortunate. It's just it's
just kind of the way we have to

513
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.599
think about it in terms of how
you resolve the problem. I would I

514
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.960
would welcome a game theorist to tell
me, oh, no, there's another

515
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.559
one and you forgot about it,
right, Which gets back to the really

516
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:38.440
kind of legitimate difficulty that the military
would have in releasing any information on this

517
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:45.119
topic. Yeah, that twofold,
And this is why I think, you

518
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.239
know, the citizen science is so
important that we're not going to get much

519
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.599
from the government. It's difficult and
maybe irresponsible in some cases for them to

520
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:58.239
give us much because there's either the
case that we're identifying advanced technology from an

521
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.400
enemy of the sort that you're taught
about, which then we need to be

522
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:07.920
on top of and very secretive about, or we are witnessing novel technology being

523
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.559
used by a third party that's more
exotic, which then we want to harness

524
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.679
and use, for instance, to
break this Texas standoff and to win that

525
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.320
standoff. And so that's again we
need to be very careful with that information.

526
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:23.960
And that's the reason I bring it
up is let you know, make

527
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.320
sure people understand, you know,
what, there's a reason the government if

528
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.480
if they are withholding it, which
you know, for example, Ross Coultarts

529
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:36.599
is convinced, and I would say
other people that I've talked to are fairly

530
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:42.280
convinced. I'm just gonna say,
if that is happening, that's why.

531
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.480
Okay, it's it's because you want
to be the first one out out the

532
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.320
door with that new technology. And
and and we as a nation, as

533
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:53.199
the United States of America, we
need to assume that the other nations,

534
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:58.039
your other players in the game you're
trying to rush in particular, also have

535
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:05.400
retrieved crash vehicles and they are also
attempting to reverse engineering. And so I

536
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.880
know the stuff I've heard and read
about if you let's say you had a

537
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:14.760
crash recovery pick Roswell, for example, we didn't have the technology back then

538
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.320
that we do now. And so
you know, assuming they're reverse engineering,

539
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:24.639
it's like as material science improves,
as our ability to manufacture stuff improves,

540
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.599
we get closer and closer to being
able to do a good job a reverse

541
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:34.519
in engineering some of that, and
so you just basically have an arms race

542
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.880
going on, and you've got to
be very careful. You don't want to

543
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:44.639
have the military basically show their hand
before they're they're ready and they believe the

544
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.519
technology is ready to be able to
end that Texas standoff. I mean that

545
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.360
fundamentally is what we're up against,
right And what's interesting I think and has

546
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.360
gotten lost is that Chris Mellon's argument, and Chris mellen being the former Deputy

547
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:04.000
Assistant Secretary Fence for Intelligence, who
was a large I've written a lot about

548
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.159
this, was a large influence on
bringing this topic to the forefront and getting

549
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.920
Congress and the Pentagon to take it
seriously. His argument was that if it

550
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.719
is foreign tech, then we need
to pay attention to it to be able

551
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.199
to harness that technology. If it's
not foreign tech, then we also need

552
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.559
to harness that technology and begin doing
these things, stop ignoring it, and

553
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:30.000
begin doing reverse engineering if we can
capture them in order to harness these technologies.

554
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.960
So he was coming from a perspective
of this isn't happening and he's even

555
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.199
said he didn't see it happening when
he was involved in, you know,

556
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:42.800
overseeing the SAPs and black projects and
such. But it's something that we should

557
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.360
be doing. So there's all these
different angles and nuance that I think get

558
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.760
lost on a lot of people.
Yes, no, that's that's exactly right.

559
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.360
And so you know, hopefully your
video will be viewed by a few

560
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:59.960
people that you know are disgusted with
it. Well, I know then,

561
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:01.480
and I've had this other discussion.
It's like, you know, if you

562
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:06.440
really want to think about it,
about a nuclear weapon and the disclosure part

563
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.599
of it, you could do it
similar to what they did for nuclear weapons,

564
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:14.079
right, and so the DOE actually
handles the radioactive material and the actual

565
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.039
bomb itself, if you will,
where all the services don't do that.

566
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.760
All they do is provide delivery platforms. And so you could do something very

567
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:30.079
similar with indisclosure to where you said, Okay, the technology aspect of it,

568
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:37.159
military, the actual biologics, assuming
they exist, let's put that onto

569
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.199
somebody else, right, Nationalist,
true to health, pick pick somebody,

570
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.480
right, And so then you could
have the ability to have the disclosure.

571
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:52.920
We got them right. But then
again, even doing that even providing that

572
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:55.760
kind of disclosure, and you're now
saying, Okay, I have this stuff,

573
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.239
which actually is a turn into itself
people think. I think about that

574
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:05.639
very carefully. If your other nations
understand that you have this technology, then

575
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.239
it's going to be oh, I
wonder what they've got that we don't how

576
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:13.320
far they are on the reverse engineering, right, and so that would actually

577
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:17.440
in fact help I would say,
delay a potential or potential nuclear war if

578
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.719
it got close. But then you
have I mean, there's just a lot

579
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.760
of moving parts of this kind of
stuff, right. And then it gets

580
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.880
back to because we've had Kirkpatrick of
Arrow, you know, speak to this

581
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:35.599
somewhat saying if it's exotic, if
it's something that's not human mainta, then

582
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:39.000
I want to send it to NASA
to analyze with. But is that true?

583
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:44.599
You know, there's definitely an aspect
where they would want to back engineer

584
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:50.599
and you know, capitalize on those
discoveries. The other side of this is

585
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.880
a disinformation side, which they were
tasked to analyze in the historical report but

586
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.280
didn't. And we do know even
the New York Times has reported on the

587
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.559
CIA using like the U two,
making people think it as UFOs instead of

588
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.000
the U two, that sort of
thing in the past and finding out it

589
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.679
actually became a bigger headache than they
thought. But then we also have you

590
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:19.199
know, Air Force Special investigation personnel
in the eighties putting out disinformation. Was

591
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.559
that official? If so, for
what purpose? It would think that maybe

592
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.599
the purpose that you're speaking to.
So you know, there's there's just talk

593
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.719
about a pandemic box having worked in
those kinds of programs, I will tell

594
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.519
you. I can't get into details, but I can't tell you A poster

595
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.599
that was on the wall. A
poster that was on the wall was on

596
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.280
the UFO and it says, make
them believe our technology is from outer space.

597
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.679
And fundamentally it's a it's a mind
game, if you will, right.

598
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.840
It's like, you know, we've
got some terrific capability as a country

599
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.400
in terms of defense and offense.
I mean, most of my career has

600
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:59.920
been on the defensive side. And
if you think specifically about that from a

601
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.239
from a capability, and fundamentally,
we as a nation are trying to not

602
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.559
get into a war. You know, we are not one that immediately you

603
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:13.400
know, pulls the pulls the gun
and starts shooting people. They're usually very

604
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.280
very you know, solid reasons for
why we get into them. I would

605
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.119
say probably Iraq is probably the most
sketchy one that we've had to get into.

606
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:29.280
But even that I look at,
you know, what happened, and

607
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:30.440
all right, I can I can
sit on the fence on that one.

608
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.199
Some people will be one way or
the other by all means, but and

609
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.800
an example of to be wary of
intelligent information, that's exactly where I'm going.

610
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.599
That's why I sat on the fence
on that one. Yeah, because

611
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.519
we had we had intelligence I was
just fundamentally wrong and it was it was

612
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.800
faked, it was it was bogus, and that's what led the leaders to

613
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:55.199
believing that Iraq had weapons of mass
destruction. And that fundamentally is where we

614
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.480
go. I mean, if you're
if you're if your job is to protect

615
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.599
the American people, right, that's
your job, and that a lot of

616
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:07.599
people in the Department Defense take that
job very seriously. They really do.

617
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.719
And I've been asked about corruptions in
OSD and stuff, and I'm like,

618
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.599
you know, in the military,
I'm like, I don't see corruptions.

619
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.079
I see passionate people trying to protect
them. Now we may disagree in terms

620
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.480
of that, you know, where
to take that passion, which is fine.

621
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.239
That's being an American, right,
right. You have the ability to

622
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.840
disagree. But I'll tell you right
now, I mean, I don't see

623
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:36.280
the corruption that I hear people trying
to say that's there. I just haven't

624
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:40.079
seen it exactly. You know,
my family public servants. They both ran

625
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.239
the National Park Service. I've done
a lot of reporting on science and space

626
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:51.199
and working with NASA and astronauts and
you know, military witnesses, even when

627
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.639
it comes to UAP, and I
see exactly the same of what you see.

628
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:58.719
I see patriotic Americans trying to do
the right thing for the public and

629
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:05.639
the public sector. I don't see
people actively being deceptive or attempting to not

630
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.320
you know, take on their mandate. And anybody, in my experience of

631
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:13.639
what I've seen, anybody who had
kind of malicious intent wouldn't make it very

632
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:15.239
far. Yes, No, that's
right, they don't. They get weeded

633
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.239
out by the system pretty darn quick. And so I just, you know,

634
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.599
I continue to hope that you know, we as a country, can

635
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.239
you know, hold ourselves together and
just understand that we need to gree to

636
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.960
disagree versus you know, trying to
choke the other side, you know,

637
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.000
whichever side you believe in, right
so, and getting into all of that

638
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:37.039
difficulty when it comes to the government
in the military, it comes back to

639
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.960
you know why I'm passionate about working
with Enigma Labs collecting data, collecting these

640
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.519
great videos and then getting them analyzed
in the public sector, you know,

641
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:52.400
transparently, and then also working with
the scientific coalition of UAP Studies, where

642
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:59.840
you've got citizen scientists collecting data,
writing papers again transparently, getting that out

643
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.840
for debate and for scientific debate,
and which makes them the findings even more

644
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:10.239
stronger. You know, now that
you're part of your board member of SCU,

645
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:15.199
you know what is your passion?
What has gotten you involved in this

646
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:19.000
topic? Uh? You know a
few a few reasons why I got involved.

647
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.559
First, I've moved out here to
Utah and started watching Skinwalker ranch series

648
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.280
to where I'm like, okay,
you know, I'm gonna boil it down

649
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.719
to there's some interesting phenomena there that
I can't I can't easily easily dismiss.

650
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:37.119
Okay, But at the same point
I can I can boil it down to

651
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:42.039
either either their lying or or they're
telling them the truth. And the only

652
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.480
way you can really get at that
is you've got to be able to independently

653
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.519
go and assess it yourself. So
I literally bought property near Skinwalker Ranch and

654
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.239
I'm fixing it up to do my
own stuff. And I've talked to a

655
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.639
lot of the neighbors around there,
and you know, some say, you

656
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:59.440
know, I've never seen anything,
and I've lived here my entire life,

657
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:00.079
and some say, oh, yeah, no, I saw this, you

658
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.119
know, thing in the sky and
it took off and it was you know,

659
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:08.119
So it's it's kind of interesting that. And in fact, if you

660
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:13.079
know Space Wolf and Ryan Burns,
he's got property near there. He's got

661
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:17.159
some interesting stories and stuff that's happened
on his property. And and so,

662
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.599
uh me personally, and being a
scientie, you I'll put my scientific hat

663
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:23.960
on. It's like, okay,
let me try try and tackle it right.

664
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.599
And then at the same point,
I personally have never seen anything that

665
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.559
you know, from my work in
the military or supporting the military, that

666
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.320
I couldn't explain, or I haven't
seen anything in the sky that I couldn't

667
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.559
explain. Now, I do have
one photo from one of my security cameras

668
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:51.280
on my property that I I'm scratching
my head on. I showed it to

669
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.480
Jay Stratt and he goes, I
think you caught an ORB, right,

670
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:58.400
But for me that I consider that
a data point, right, that is

671
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.920
not the answer. And so when
I say a data point, okay,

672
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:07.000
that camera is not geared for that
kind of data collection. It was pure

673
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:12.199
luck if I if that is an
ORB, because I've got hundreds of other

674
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.960
videos and images where there's nothing anomalous, right, And so I just want

675
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:20.800
to get better stuff out there and
things of that nature. And and and

676
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:22.360
I'm trying to work with the neighbors. I mean, some of them are

677
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.320
on the fence, and you know, some of them don't want stuff on

678
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.199
their property. And you know,
so it's I think you got to kind

679
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.519
of, you know, lead the
way and get do it yourself. But

680
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:37.639
then in my own personal background,
my my mom claims that my grandfather had

681
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:44.960
seen a UFO. They lived in
port just now it's like almost downtown Portland.

682
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:52.400
But she said that my grandfather had
seen UFO when and she doesn't remember

683
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.960
if she was too young or had
been born and actually looking at Robert Powell's

684
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.960
UFOs and the government book. I
think I identified which sighting it was,

685
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.159
and I asked her, I said, it could have been nineteen forty seven

686
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.039
and the police getting called in,
and she goes, that might have been

687
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.920
right. She goes, only about
two years old at the time, and

688
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.800
but I, you know, my
grandfather passed away before I was even born,

689
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.960
so I never had a chance to
even hear those stories myself. And

690
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.119
then my mom also says that she
had seen a couple of orbs sitting in

691
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.880
the sky and she said they just
kind of sat there. And she was,

692
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.000
you know, seventh grade or something. She was running around with a

693
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.199
friend and she stopped she saw him. She like pointed to her friend and

694
00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:30.519
goes, hey, what are those? She said, there was one it

695
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:35.480
took off, So, you know, having that stuff in your background.

696
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.960
And then I got another case where
I had my my ex father in law

697
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:43.159
and divorce and remarried. But he's
a chiropractor, or was a chiropractor in

698
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.760
the Beaverton area, and their family
had really close ties with the Vatican.

699
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:53.760
Basically, his brother was a priest, and to get out of priesthood and

700
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.400
get married you actually have to have
a letter from the Pope, and he

701
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:00.440
was able to do that because as
I knew him, he was he was

702
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:07.519
married and had kids. But so
apparently they knew the upper echelon in the

703
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:12.519
in the Vatican. And fundamentally there
was somebody from the Vatican visiting that he

704
00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.480
said claim the reason he was in
the US was to go visit some aliens

705
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:21.880
that they had given to the US
government after World War Two, And just

706
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.599
recently there was a news story on
that. So I just found that interesting.

707
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.320
Whether it's true or not, I
don't know, but it just I

708
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.880
find it interesting that there's a i'll
call it additional data points, right,

709
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.599
And so you know, I'm happy
to throw my experience and background and and

710
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.559
try and help to get to the
bottom of the of the phenomena. And

711
00:55:42.559 --> 00:55:45.840
I'll do what I can mm hmm. Interesting. And you know what else

712
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.280
that makes me think of is I
had a great interview the last show with

713
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:54.000
ball lightning scientists, so and I
was really surprised at some of the characteristics

714
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.559
that uh, they believe are ball
lightning. And he even has like this

715
00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:02.880
amazing vid he's writing a paper on. So I mean, there's just a

716
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:08.639
lot of scientific discovery to Yes,
yes, I mean, I you know,

717
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:12.239
if it's if it's a ball,
I mean, because it's bright.

718
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.159
I mean it pegged my uh pegged
my camera in terms I ran a histogram

719
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:21.079
across it, and it pegged it. And I think it's you know,

720
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:22.320
if you look at it, I
mean, we'd have to do a completely

721
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:25.800
different discussion on this, but I
mean, if you look at it,

722
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.920
it's like you can see a bright
spot coming off my neighbor's fence, and

723
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.840
then it looks like there's a reflection
from behind it. And so you know,

724
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.760
I don't think it's there's no real
way for light to get there reflective

725
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:44.800
in terms of where I'm seeing it. And so you know, me again,

726
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:45.800
I want to get I want to
get something out there. My wife

727
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.639
when we were out there one time, you know, she said she saw

728
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.519
something kind of down you know,
in the field behind our place, and

729
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.440
she said it it seemed too bright
to be like you know, animals eyes

730
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.000
being reflect it back at her.
But she didn't know what it was.

731
00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:07.280
And at that time I was passing
a kidney stone, so I was in

732
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.280
pain, and the in our trailer. But uh, but yeah, so

733
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.320
you know, it seems based on
my my personal interaction with people out there

734
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.960
and what I've seen in some of
my data, there might be something there,

735
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.800
and so you know, I'd like
to get down to the bottom of

736
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:24.800
it, you know. And I've
as I mentioned, I know Jay Stratton

737
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:31.199
and Travis Taylor both I interviewed at
Radiance and decided to take the deputy Chief

738
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:37.679
Scientists position. But I as far
as I can tell, they're they're good,

739
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:42.679
outstanding people, and so I'll defend
I'll defend what they're doing until I

740
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:47.239
have data otherwise, right, right, And what's exciting I think is that

741
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:53.400
with technology being smaller and more affordable. Uh. And the good thing about

742
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:57.760
you know, what has happened over
the last few years, like skin Walker

743
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.960
and the Pentagon and the Arab Project, is that there are more scientists getting

744
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:06.599
involved, such as yourself, and
so we're at a spot where the public

745
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:10.519
does have the ability to do their
own work and to figure this out on

746
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:14.679
our own. I have a positive
outlook. Yeah, And you know,

747
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.320
one of the things is I was
kind of working in the background when I

748
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.440
was at Aerospace Court because they fundamentally
would not allowed me to do this publicly.

749
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:27.800
But now that I no longer work
for Aerospace, I can I can

750
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:31.920
more directly get involved, and so
it's that direct involvement. It's kind of

751
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.280
fun. I won't go into some
of what I was doing as a as

752
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.280
a behind the scenes guy, but
you know, I do know I had

753
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:46.480
some some positive impacts on some of
the data analysis and scientific approaches they were

754
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:53.239
studying. So that's pretty exciting.
And then speaking of j and Travis and

755
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:58.599
the whole kind of ASEPP group,
Eric Davis, one of the scientists who

756
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:04.679
work with ICEAP, is working out
Aerospace Corporation. Yes, I met Eric

757
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.480
when I was in at Aerospace,
but now that I'm in SCU, I

758
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.599
mean, everybody talks about him,
and I went looked at his background.

759
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:15.239
I'm like, oh, okay,
yeah, it's a pretty interesting background he's

760
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:22.000
got. Yeah, so what are
you working on in the future. That's

761
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:27.119
a great question. So I'm kind
of supporting Ben been doing that a lot,

762
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.079
so we'll see, you know,
if some of his initiatives take off.

763
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.079
And then getting my property ready to
start putting stuff out there. We

764
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:39.000
talked about I started a proposal for
doing research with my property, but when

765
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:42.119
I saw how bad it was and
how long it was going to take to

766
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.000
clean up and all that, I
kind of put that on the back burner.

767
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.039
So I'll be bringing that, you
know, trying to dust it off

768
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.840
and clean it up. I've been
trying to work with Matt at uap X

769
00:59:53.519 --> 01:00:00.199
potentially have him bring his central suite
out on my property again, trying to

770
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.039
get some of the other property owners
to allow us to put stuff on theirs.

771
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:07.880
One thing that people don't, I
would say non scientific people don't understand

772
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.639
is when you do this kind of
stuff, you should really be doing a

773
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:13.840
control experiment at the same time,
right, And so when I give you

774
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.280
the data, I say, okay, this is what happened here. Oh,

775
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:20.119
by the way, I had exactly
the same stuff deployed here. You

776
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.199
know, this is what we did
to calibrate it. And so there's a

777
01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.000
whole bunch of stuff that you should
be doing in the background to do this,

778
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:30.119
right. And until you actually start
bringing some of that scientific rigor to

779
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:35.119
it, you're always going to have
a fraction of the scientific community that's just

780
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.360
not going to believe it, right. And so I mean where I'm trying

781
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:43.639
to go is data integrity, Right, So when the data gets captured there's

782
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.239
there's if I'm the one capturing it, there's a piece of that data that

783
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.719
I can't touch that gets copied somewhere, right, and then there's a piece

784
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.239
that I can work with or I
can give to somebody else to work with.

785
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.639
And so data integrity is going to
be one of the biggest things I

786
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.320
start poking at as soon as I
start getting some capability, and then trying

787
01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:07.239
to work with an enigma, a
cider, a you know, SEU database

788
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.840
where it goes in there and and
they're they're curating it separately, They've got

789
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.079
backups and everything else. And so
you know, what I'm trying to do

790
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.960
and what I hope to help bring
to the SCU with some of that rigor

791
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.840
I see a lot of it already, but then just some of my experience

792
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:30.360
in terms of, you know,
having access to some of the database data

793
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:35.280
coming off of our satellite systems,
knowing some of those capabilities that I you

794
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.880
know, I can't really talk about, but I can bring that experience to

795
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:43.599
the table. And so that's that's
what I'm trying to do, right,

796
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.880
And that experience is so important and
building that network because I think a lot

797
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:52.360
of you know, people out there
gathering data who aren't necessarily scientists. They

798
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.559
don't know the right way to collect
that data. And now they can go

799
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.119
to someone like you who can give
them at that advice. And it may

800
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.639
be frustrating because now you have to
double your effort, but at least now

801
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.880
you know, you know that you'll
be gathering data that's going to really product.

802
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:13.760
I mean, first and foremost,
my first recommendati if you think you've

803
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:16.559
got something, give it to an
Enigma labs. Give it to an SCU,

804
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:20.800
right, so they've got it,
and then they can reach out to

805
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.039
me or somebody else within the SCU
to then analyze it. Right. It

806
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.880
doesn't have to be me, there's
lots of other great scientists out there.

807
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.000
But I mean, if you understand
the scientific method and how to do the

808
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.480
analysis. I mean, in fact, you know, maybe what I do

809
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.039
is create a course, right and
teach people how to do that. And

810
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:43.760
so the Society for U I.
P Studies has asked us to when I

811
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.320
say us, it's Richard, Professor
Richard Griffiths and I to to kind of

812
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.480
regive the same paper we did at
the SCU, but now for them,

813
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.840
but have the have the twist on
having that critical thinking aspect in there,

814
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:59.960
right and kind of how that evolved
on our on our project. So yeah,

815
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:05.639
there's I'm finding that when it comes
to UAP studies and having scientists support.

816
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:12.400
My gosh, you guys have been
just starting for good scientific support for

817
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:19.440
a long time and and hopefully as
as as people better than I come in,

818
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.000
we can we can help, you
know, help turn that ship and

819
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.199
get a going in the direction.
Well, I agree, and and thank

820
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.679
goodness people like you are involved,
and thank you so much for taking the

821
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:34.519
time to come do this interview.
Oh happy, too happy to and good

822
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:39.480
luck on your endeavors. And hopefully
Anigba continues to thrive and and does great

823
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:44.159
things. Yeah, definitely won't be
in touch, all right, that's a

824
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.760
good cases to give you. Yep, yep, Thank you so much to

825
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:54.480
doctor Bettner. What an interesting person
and what an interesting interview. I really

826
01:03:54.639 --> 01:04:00.719
am excited for the future of this
topic with people like him getting in and

827
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.880
doing analysis and getting involved with helping
move this topic forward. I think that

828
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:13.159
getting all of these kind of traditional
scientists who have spent their life doing aeronautical

829
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:17.559
science and physics and astrophysics and all
of these things are really going to be

830
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:23.039
able to help move the credibility of
this topic forward, but even more than

831
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:27.679
that, find answers. So hopefully
we can find a space where we can

832
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:31.400
all kind of get together to do
this sort of research and focus on the

833
01:04:31.440 --> 01:04:36.639
science and the citizens science. Hmmm, what kind of space would make that

834
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:42.960
something that we could all work on
together. I'll talk about that later,

835
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:51.119
but first let's look at the Enigma
signings. We have partnered with Enigma Labs

836
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:57.360
to bring you interesting UAP sidings weekly
that they collect via their app and website.

837
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:00.119
If you have a report to submit, you can download the app app

838
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.000
at the Apple App Store or submit
it via the website at Enigma labs dot

839
01:05:04.119 --> 01:05:09.800
io. And the interest of full
disclosure, I am a paid consultant for

840
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.719
Enigma, but that's how I can
keep an eye on the best videos and

841
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.679
keep you up to date on the
good videos that come in, and I'm

842
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:23.360
excited to share them with you on
the show. So this week, I've

843
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.679
got a signing that I think we
can explain, and then I've got one

844
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:31.280
that is much more mysterious. So
first let's look at the one that I

845
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.360
think we can explain. So I
came across this one when we were looking

846
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:40.360
for sightings. One of my coworkers
actually found it. We're looking at sightings

847
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:45.280
from Japan. Why, we had
a couple articles that came out in Japan

848
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.480
about the Enigma Labs app, so
we got more people downloading the app and

849
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:53.719
looking at it from Japan, so
we wanted to kind of look and highlight

850
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.960
some of their sightings. Well,
one of them that I found here and

851
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.320
I'll go ahead and play it.
You can see here is just some lights

852
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:04.559
in the sky. They look very
weird, kind of fuzzy or hazy and

853
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:12.360
round. This one in particular that
they focus on it also kind of twinkles.

854
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.239
What could that be? Ladies and
gentlemen. This is the one where

855
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:19.960
we can explain it. I am
nearly I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure

856
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.880
this is a Chinese lantern? How
do I know? Here are the telltale

857
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:30.280
signs on these ones. First of
all, there's usually a few. Sometimes

858
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.519
there's just one, but usually there's
a few. And at the beginning of

859
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.800
this video you'll notice there were a
couple more there. They are a couple

860
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:40.519
more in the background, so there
are actually three of them. But this

861
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:45.920
person focuses on just one. When
they zoom in, the object looks fuzzy

862
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:49.360
because the camera is never getting focused. In fact, you can tell the

863
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:55.760
cameras going from worst focus to bad
focus to worst focus. It never gets

864
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.599
completely in focus, so that's one
of the problems, and that's why it

865
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.880
looks round like it does. We
can't see the actual shape of the object,

866
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:08.119
but even if it was in focus, you would see something that kind

867
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.800
of looks like a point of light. It's also orangey. These are typically

868
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.800
orange and red because that's the color
of the paper that surrounds the candle that

869
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:20.920
is inside. And they flicker,
and that's the big giveaway. And you

870
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:25.039
can when you watch this video,
you can see the intensity of the light

871
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:30.440
kind of dimming and getting brighter as
it flickers because it's a candle that's inside

872
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.199
of this thing. So that's how
you tell Chinese lanterns. They often look

873
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:40.320
very astonishing when you're driving and you
see this row of like three lights and

874
01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:45.440
they're just floating overhead and they look
really cool. They get mistaken for UFOs

875
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:49.719
a a lot, and I believe
that's what's happened in this video as well.

876
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:54.760
So this is just the educational part
to let you guys know what a

877
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.599
Chinese lantern looks like. But I
will put a link in the show notes,

878
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.360
and if you disagree with me,
feel free to go in and comment

879
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.159
on the sighting or send me a
note saying hey, I think you're wrong

880
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:13.400
and here's why. And this is
kind of exciting because this is a Japanese

881
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:18.920
one. It's from Fusa in the
Tokyo Prefecture, so in the Tokyo area

882
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:25.119
in Japan, Tokyo being the largest
city in the world, it's a big,

883
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:29.439
big place. But let's look at
the more mysterious one. Ooh,

884
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.079
I love these now, some of
you you can see right off the bat

885
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:41.000
looks pretty cool. This one is
in Belgrade, Montana. It happened on

886
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:46.279
June fifth, so just the other
day, not very long ago. And

887
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:53.720
I'll play this video and you can
see what looks like a long object.

888
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:58.319
So we see the night sky,
there are clouds, but we see the

889
01:08:58.399 --> 01:09:05.199
starscape in the background, and you
see this really long, bright object slowly

890
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:11.479
moving across the sky. It's and
it's very very long like, but it's

891
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.640
moving together. One of my first
thoughts. And you can see as it

892
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.279
gets to the clouds, it gets
behind the clouds and you can't see it,

893
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:23.119
so it's well well above the clouds. My first thought is maybe a

894
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:28.439
starlink train of satellite, because you
know there'll be several satellites in a row,

895
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:32.920
all moving together. They usually seem
to move a little faster than this,

896
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:39.000
but maybe not. The issue here
is it doesn't look like a string

897
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:45.760
of individual objects. It looks like
one long object that is solid. The

898
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:51.840
video, though, the camera plays
a role and it's a psionics and I'm

899
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.399
going to go over that a little
more because this is an important piece of

900
01:09:55.399 --> 01:10:00.319
equipment. But a psionics is a
light intensifier. It's kind of of like

901
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:04.319
a night vision and it's a I
almost said poor man's night vision, but

902
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:06.720
that's not a good way to put
it. It's a great piece of equipment.

903
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.039
It's really cool. In fact,
the night vision that it gets is

904
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:15.800
on par with very very expensive night
vision military equipment. But what it does

905
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:21.119
is it makes everything a lot brighter. So one tiny piece of light is

906
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:28.239
going to look bigger with it being
intensified. So it could be just several

907
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:32.279
objects being blended together to look like
one long object, but I don't know.

908
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.800
It really doesn't look like that.
But it could be, so I

909
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.239
would love. That's why it's mysterious. That's why I can't figure out what

910
01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:46.119
this one is. This is a
really good one. I can't say for

911
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:50.439
sure it is a sterling train,
but take a look and let me know

912
01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:54.960
what you think. I know some
of you are going to be like,

913
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:58.239
what is he talking about? Why
does he think it's several objects? It's

914
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:02.439
obviously just one big, long object, And maybe you're right. I'm just

915
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.239
trying to do what you do when
you look at UAP sidings. What you

916
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:12.800
have to do is try to rule
out anything prosaic it may be. And

917
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.479
that's the closest thing I can think
of this thing being. So I'm trying

918
01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:24.079
to roll that out, and I
think maybe I have so maybe some other

919
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:29.039
people will look at it more closely
and be able to determine and see whether

920
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.880
those look like individual objects. The
other thing is if you have a psionics

921
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:40.119
camera, So let me show you
these on the website, and for those

922
01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:43.199
of you listen, I'll kind of
describe it so you could see here.

923
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.720
The most expensive one is on sale
for one hundred and fifty eight hundred and

924
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.760
fifty dollars, which is actually a
pretty good price, because you know night

925
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:58.119
vision is going to be a lot
more expensive. A night vision equivalent to

926
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:01.359
something like this. The power of
one of these is going to cost you

927
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:06.079
a couple thousand dollars. What's incredible
is these cameras have been out for at

928
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:12.960
least five six years and there hasn't
been a really good competitor that's come out.

929
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.640
There's been a couple that have tried. In fact, I'm frustrated because

930
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:23.199
I paid three hundred and fifty dollars
for an Indiego Go, which was a

931
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:26.279
camera that was going to be a
competitor to this one, to save money.

932
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:30.479
A friend of mine suggested it,
and that was three hundred and fifty

933
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:34.039
dollars down the tubes. They never
sent me the camera and they will not

934
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:39.640
respond to my emails. Extremely frustrating. I probably should have just gone with

935
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.880
one of these. I just I
still haven't gotten one. But the other

936
01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:48.039
cool thing about this camera is that
beyond just doing the night vision, what

937
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:53.960
a military grade night vision won't have
that this has is a recording function,

938
01:12:54.399 --> 01:13:00.880
so you can record video, you
can take pictures. It's a super device.

939
01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:04.960
It has a zoom, I believe, but it looks really clear,

940
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.640
like you can see in that video, so you can see the Aurora Pro

941
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:14.239
here is the best one. There
is an Aurora Black, and an Aurora

942
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:19.359
Regular and an Aurora Pro. Each
one has either different features. The Pro

943
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:26.000
is the best one because it has
the most light intensifying capabilities, so you're

944
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.960
going to see more than with other
things. And why is this helpful for

945
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.399
looking for UAP. Well, when
you go out in the sky and you

946
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.439
look with your eyes or with binoculars, you're going to see a lot of

947
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:41.159
stuff. But when you use one
of these things, you see a lot

948
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:46.079
lot more. So it really does
help. And I have had at least

949
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:51.439
one incredible sighting using night vision.
In fact, let me share with you

950
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:57.439
that story. And there's a couple
of things going on so at Enigma.

951
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.920
We've been doing some Twitter spaces where
we've done some interviews. Our last one

952
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:05.880
was with doctor Bittner, also with
Ben Hansen, and we were talking about

953
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.840
the New York LaGuardia case that I
told you all about that got really big,

954
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.039
right In fact, the case that
I talked to you guys about last

955
01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:18.199
time on the show, I got
ham like fifty thousand views on TikTok it

956
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.319
went really big on TikTok, so
you're getting like the best cases first before

957
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:27.560
anybody else on this show. But
we're doing a couple more spaces next week.

958
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.279
We're going to do one with Mick
West. Of course he's a skeptic,

959
01:14:30.319 --> 01:14:32.840
but we're going to talk to him
about his process and and you know

960
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.479
his thoughts and get to know him
better. But in a couple of weeks,

961
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.520
on July second World UFO Day is
what it's called, we're going to

962
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:47.640
interview the Navajo Rangers. So John
Dover and Stan Milford who were rangers for

963
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:53.560
the Navajo and they were rolling on
paranormal cases, including UFO cases, So

964
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.800
we're going to interview them about their
UFO cases. You may see them.

965
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.359
They've been on the Skinwalker Show.
They're going to be on the Beyond Skinwalker

966
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.199
show on History Channel. But I
had my first sighting with them, so

967
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.920
I've known them for a while living
out here in Arizona, and one of

968
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:14.600
their very first talks. They started
hanging out with us at the Arizona chapter

969
01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:18.680
of Moufon and they brought their night
vision when they did their first talk,

970
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.119
and this might have been like one
of their first talks ever. If not

971
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:30.479
their first talk ever. And we
went to go skywatching and I was using

972
01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.680
one of the night vision goggles,
looked up in the sky and I saw

973
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:41.039
five lights that were in a group
moving away from each other. And they

974
01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:45.600
look like satellites because they look that
high. Anything that you know, moves

975
01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.640
in a straight, steady line at
night and doesn't seem to alter its speed

976
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:54.920
or direction, I'll usually call a
satellite because that's what satellites do. But

977
01:15:54.960 --> 01:16:00.319
these all started right in the same
area and continued out in five day different

978
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.880
directions. Really really weird. And
as I'm watching that, I'm like,

979
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:08.359
is anybody else watching this? And
sure enough John Dover, when of the

980
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:12.520
Navajo rangers, was also looking at
it. So pretty cool. Those guys

981
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.680
have become buddies of mine and I
talked to them and hang out with them

982
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:19.359
often. But yeah, that was
a really cool sighting. I if I

983
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:26.039
would have had this psionics or aurorra
pro device, I could have recorded that

984
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:30.279
and then shown everybody what the heck
is this weird thing that I saw.

985
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.039
So that's what's really cool about this
device. I definitely would recommend it to

986
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:39.520
people. I don't know anybody who
is not happy with this, and it's

987
01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:45.199
exciting to see this sighting that someone
used one of those psionics and you can

988
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:48.800
tell in the video just what a
great image that you get. It's a

989
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:54.560
really cool device. So yeah,
what the heck is that I do not

990
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:59.239
know? Check it out? So
what did I want to share with you

991
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:05.359
all? At the end here this
so you know, beat me up for

992
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:09.640
it, But I agree with Sean
ka Patrick that all of this rumor and

993
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:15.800
hearsay, which in my experience never
amounts to anything. And you've got to

994
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:19.640
realize people that for twenty five odd
years here, I've been writing articles where

995
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:26.359
I deep dive into UFO cases and
rumors in hearsay and the vast, vast

996
01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:31.000
majority turns out to be nothing.
And unfortunately, I've been a big low

997
01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:36.199
apologist, you know, a lot
of my life, you know, because

998
01:17:36.359 --> 01:17:43.439
there were people upset with Robert Bigelow
and his National Institute for Discovery Sciences,

999
01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:47.319
which is the group that then went
on to run as app the government program

1000
01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:51.800
that now everybody's all happy about,
and then eventually David Gresh worked with I've

1001
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:55.720
known these guys for a long time
and they make a lot of claims.

1002
01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:59.199
They believe a lot of things,
just like a lot of my friends and

1003
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:03.000
colleagues you in this field. But
they've never proven any of them. And

1004
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:09.439
unfortunately, I feel once their evidence
has been shown, it's often a real

1005
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:15.000
letdown and it's not as explosives as
they believe it to be. I don't

1006
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.800
think they're liars. I think they
believe these things are going on. I

1007
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:23.000
think they believe that they've experienced some
weird things. But there's a difference between

1008
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.800
a story and proving something, and
we've got to prove it. Enough with

1009
01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:31.239
the stories. I'm tired of the
stories. We really need to focus on

1010
01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:35.880
getting results, getting data, and
getting those receipts. So I've created this

1011
01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:43.119
nonprofit called UAP Discovery, and you'll
see here the purpose is. Our mission

1012
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:47.119
is to lead a global community of
citizen sciences to contribute to the understanding of

1013
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:54.399
the unidentified anomalies phenomenon mystery and freely
share their discoveries. So this is along

1014
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:59.800
the lines of SETI or NASA.
This is citizen science where we're going to

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01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:03.760
go go out gather people to gather
data like we're doing with Enigma, but

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doing it further analyzing that video or
evidence amongst each other. But also figuring

1017
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:16.319
out what kind of devices you can
see here a UAP data collection. What

1018
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:21.199
kind of devices do we need to
gather the correct data to allow researchers and

1019
01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:28.279
scientists to write papers to be able
to convince the scientific community or any others

1020
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:32.760
to demonstrate something unusual is going on. We recently had a ball lightning scientist.

1021
01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.760
He can't prove that ball lightning is
real, even though it most likely

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01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.880
is and most people assume it to
be real, but we don't know for

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01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:43.880
sure and what is the nature of
that phenomena. We need more data to

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01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:47.560
understand that. We need more data
to understand UAP. We can see here

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01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:53.279
like people have been doing for decades, banging on the wall of the White

1026
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:57.760
House or the Pentagon saying, give
us information, give us information. Well,

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01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.119
one, they haven't provided much inform. Two we don't even know if

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01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:06.880
they have very much information. And
what information they had have as very revelatory

1029
01:20:08.359 --> 01:20:12.279
or is packaged in a way that
scientists can use it to write white papers

1030
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.920
or to write papers to be able
to then get that to scientific community.

1031
01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:19.399
We can all figure this out together, like you're supposed to do with science.

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01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:24.640
That's why I've created UAP discovery,
and that's what I'm going to be

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01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:28.840
doing. The heart of UAP Discovery
is going to be the forums. So

1034
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:32.800
I've built a forum. Feel free
to go check it out and join that

1035
01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:36.439
forum. In that forum, I'm
going to be posting a lot of information,

1036
01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:41.159
a lot of cases, a lot
of these videos that I can't figure

1037
01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:45.640
out, so we can discuss them
and try to figure it out. There

1038
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:49.319
will be no conspiracy. There also
will be no bashing of anyone, no

1039
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:56.199
bashing of skeptics, no bashing of
believers. We're going to be talking constructively

1040
01:20:56.399 --> 01:21:00.600
about cases and focusing on the research
and the and we're going to be very

1041
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:05.520
strict in this forum. If you
can't be disciplined enough not to get in

1042
01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:12.239
arguments with other people or not to
bash you know, John Kirkpatrick or bash

1043
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.479
him Mussan, I guess Sam Oil
believer, then you know this isn't a

1044
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.079
forum for you. This is constructive
conversation focused on figuring things out. The

1045
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:27.880
other thing that we're going to be
doing is supporting students, educators, aviators,

1046
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.439
and first responders. What do I
mean by that? Helping I get

1047
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.680
a lot of students coming to me. I want to write a paper.

1048
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:38.640
I want to encourage that, so
I've got a lot of resources here on

1049
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:45.319
government documents and studies and government and
scientific research papers, so students can come

1050
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.039
here and write their papers. They
can also join the forum and talk with

1051
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:53.600
people like you and I who can
help them with getting information and writing their

1052
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:57.279
papers. Educators, there are a
lot of educators who are now wanting to

1053
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.840
teach their students about UAP. To
network those guys together so we can talk

1054
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:06.720
about curriculum and building curriculum and who's
built, what's worked for who, so

1055
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:12.560
we can have a network of these
educators aviators. Ben Hansen has done a

1056
01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:17.079
lot of work coordinating with aviators and
getting information and showing them how to report

1057
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:21.800
their UAP and how to gather the
data because it's really important, like we

1058
01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:26.680
talked about with doctor Bittner, that
you've got to gather that data quickly before

1059
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.039
it's gone in order to share it
for your siting and then law enforcement.

1060
01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:34.600
I work with law enforcement currently.
I helped build a group called the uappd

1061
01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:40.520
uapdashpd dot com is where you can
find them, and I'll have them and

1062
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:44.159
other law enforcement in here so they
can get help. Some of our best

1063
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:47.680
cases come from law enforcement. Why
who do people call when they see a

1064
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.600
UAP? They call the police,
they call nine to one one, they

1065
01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:55.279
call first responders, and a lot
of times those people roll. But what

1066
01:22:55.399 --> 01:22:59.680
happens is mostly they don't know what
to do, so they either don't do

1067
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:01.800
any thing, or they go out
there and they gather information, but they

1068
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:04.880
don't know what to do with that
information. We want to help them with

1069
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:10.319
gathering that information, getting it to
the right people so it can be researched

1070
01:23:10.359 --> 01:23:14.079
and investigated. So this is all
what we want to do, a space

1071
01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:20.399
for a safe space for gathering data
and focusing on figuring out what UAP are

1072
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:28.039
without having to rely on the government. And like I said, under resources,

1073
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:31.760
I've got a lot of information.
So I've got research papers those are

1074
01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.600
scientific or just research papers on this
topic, tons of them in there,

1075
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:41.840
government documents or every agency out there
that's released government documents, from Bluebook to

1076
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:46.159
the CIA to FBI. We've got
a lot of resources. There. Information

1077
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:50.760
about the NASCA UAP study team and
the congressional hearing. So if you're like

1078
01:23:50.840 --> 01:23:55.000
when did that hearing happen? Where
can I watch the video? Where can

1079
01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:58.760
I get a transcript? Where can
I get the supplemental data that was provided

1080
01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:01.680
in that congression hearing. I've got
it all right here, so you can

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01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:06.760
use a website for that. UAP
Discovery dot org. It is a nonprofit

1082
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:14.840
Arizona company currently and our IRS five
oh one C three is pending. So

1083
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:18.600
I'm very excited about this project.
I think it's about time. To me,

1084
01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:23.479
it's like a setting like effort in
order to focus people on the real

1085
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:28.159
science of this topic. And you
know, other people always try to pull

1086
01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:31.560
me into conspiracy this or advocacy that. You know what. There's a lot

1087
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.640
of organizations to do all of that
kind of thing. There is no organization

1088
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:40.000
to do this sort of thing right
now, So that's why I've created this

1089
01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.079
one. The close it would be, of course, the SEU, the

1090
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.359
Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, which
I helped I was a founding member of

1091
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:51.560
and I've been a board member of
and I still appreciate and support their work

1092
01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:56.840
and I help to work very closely
with them. What they've done is incredible.

1093
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.279
And if you want to write a
research paper, that's where you go,

1094
01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:03.399
and I'll network you with those people
so they can help you write your

1095
01:25:03.439 --> 01:25:09.479
paper. So we can all begin
to understand all of this more together.

1096
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:15.359
So I'm very excited about this effort. Uapdiscovery dot org. Anyway, thank

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01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:20.000
you all so much for joining the
show once again this week, and I've

1098
01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:24.840
got more exciting interviews lined up.
Just a lot going on, as you

1099
01:25:24.880 --> 01:25:29.119
can see. But yeah, check
out the website and go ahead and join

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01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:33.279
the forum. It's brand news.
I'm working bugs and kinks out, but

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01:25:33.479 --> 01:25:36.119
we'll get it all worked out,
and we'll make this a great community where

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01:25:36.119 --> 01:25:42.640
we can all work together on the
serious study of UAP. I'm confident we

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01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.359
can figure out much more about this
phenomenon. I think we've got some very

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01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:50.039
exciting days ahead, So thank you
all very much for joining me. Speaking

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01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:55.720
of exciting days ahead, I've got
some exciting interviews scheduled, so stay tuned

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01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:56.880
and we'll see you next time.