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It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What
a great idea on iHeartRadio. Welcome to

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Maria's Mutts and Stuff and with me, I'm very excited. Is Pete Lillow

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of? And hopefully I'm going to
get this correct because it's a big long

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name. It's bear Brook Feather Friend
Rescue and Sanctuary. Is that correct?

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You hit it right on the head, yes, so, and you're located

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in Newton, New Jersey. Is
that correct? I am yes, Sussex

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County, New Jersey. Correct.
Okay, Well tell me how did this

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all begin? Where did this start? And how for you? So?

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I've always loved animal and I've always
loved birds, you know, ducks,

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geese and chickens. When I was
younger, I grew up in Passaic and

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Bergen County. And since i'm we
had we had farms by us, and

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uh, there was a farmer next
door to us who had was a dairy

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farm, and he had chickens and
some ducks and stuff, and he used

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to let me feed the ducks and
the chickens, and so I was always

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I was always interested. Yeah,
of course, even though even though I

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grew up in Patterson, then kind
of made my way out here. Then

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I moved to Hunting County and then
up to Trush County here, which is

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God's country and and it's beautiful,
but looking up in New York City and

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we uh, you know, I
had a couple of chickens and ducks,

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and then I adopted a little duck
from a friend of mine who was he

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wasn't doing well and he couldn't walk
and everything, and his name was Tippy

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and here, yeah, I and
I think I might have mentioned this in

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one of my emails to you,
that I used to carry him around,

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used to come around with me all
the time, and I made a little

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walker worm so he could have a
little you know freedom as far as like

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hanging out. It's amazing. What
what did you make the walker out of?

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Because that's pretty clever on your part, being young and picular to make

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a walker. So I'm pretty handy, even though that's not my my My

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father was a construction guy. So
I made it out of TVC typing sure

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and little castor wheel and a I
got an old baby carriage where you know,

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you sit like kid's in the you
know, with their legs through sure,

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and I did his size and he
did pretty well for a while,

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but I knew he was not doing
well, and he really was touched my

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heart and it was so sweet.
And then he passed and I said,

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you know what a lot of these
animals, and I heard a lot of

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stories about you know, ducks,
chickens, and people buy them at tractor

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supply and other places because their kids
think they're really cute at Easter time.

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I'm just going to say that,
yep, at like rabbits, yep,

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yep. You have no idea how
I've gotten back and forth with tractors supply

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about they need to ask people do
you have somewhere to have them? Sure

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you have the right food, you
have, you know, So it's it's

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a whole Yeah. So I thought
to myself, you know what, I've

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heard so many stories. I have
the land up here. I think I'm

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going to start a rescue. So
what turned into a couple of geese and

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a couple of chickens and a couple
of ducks turned into over probably one hundred

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and fifty birds. Now, wow, that's how many you have. Now

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that's amazing. Do you do You
don't do this all by yourself. You

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have others to help you. Workers, or no volunteers. No, no,

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I do it all by myself.
Really. I had some volunteers,

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and you know, they're very helpful
and everything, and but I understand their

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time is that's just to them.
Usually older people have retired people, and

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every once in a while I'll get
folks to come over. I do have

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folks who have you know, I've
adopted their animals and they come to visit

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every once in a while, which
is nice. I always encourage people to

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come and visit their animals, and
a couple have I did have a couple

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of employees that I hired in the
summer, college kids and stuff, but

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they weren't really interested in I really
want somebody who takes an interest in the

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animals, of course, So I
think that's important. That's that's a basic

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kind of empathy that not everybody has, no you know what. And I

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I love the animals, always have
loved the animals. I had dogs.

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I don't have any more. I
don't have dogs anymore, but I do

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have inside birds, right, and
a couple of cats, and I don't

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know, they're just they're different and
they're very good listeners. They don't Oh

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my goodness, any pet is a
great listener, are you kidding? And

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the great companion, And you know
I have some kind of bond with with

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my my animals out here. I've
gotten it here for now probably. I've

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lived here for seven years and we've
and I've grown. I should say we've

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grown, but I've grown. Sure. You know. The people say to

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me, well, when do you
take off? I'm like, I don't,

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you don't. Yeah, it's a
twenty four to seven job. Twenty

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four seven, three sixty five.
I've taken one vacation in the last I

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don't know, fifteen twenty years.
I had a friend who actually watched them

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for five days and I was a
basket case. You were worried. Yeah,

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of course there are my babies,
and you know what they know me.

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Yeah, I'm sure they do.
Yeah, creatures a habit like some

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of us human beings are. And
yeah, you know, I hate the

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winners up here, but it is
what it is, and they don't care,

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right, I mean, I got
to be out there every day,

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and but it's something I enjoy,
right, so that the days are long,

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and you know, and I have
my own business that I do when

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I get up, when I get
up at two thirty in the morning,

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and then I do that, right, and then and then I come out

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here till they go to sleep.
Right. But you love this, so

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this isn't really work. It is
work, but because yeah, because you

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love it. Yeah, yeah,
I would never give it up, right,

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right, But I wish you had
some help. I feel bad for

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you that you're doing you see,
do all this on top of your job.

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And and I know that the animals
appreciate that, but I feel like

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I wish you had some help,
you know, like some even like a

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high school kid who's about to graduate
or something, or you know, home

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in the summer, just to help
you out. No. No, And

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like I said, I I did
every once in a while, but I'm

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worunate. Since I'm a little older
this generation now, I find they lose

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interest really quick. Well yeah,
well that's I think, yes, yes,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, very
And I've had volunteers saying, oh,

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well it's muddy or smells, it's
a bond. Yeah, yeah,

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exactly. I can't get my hands
dirty. Yeah, I know everybody's different.

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I get it too. It's just
funny though to me, I can't

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get my hands dirty. Okay,
oh yeah, but then your parents didn't

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feel that way raising you as a
baby. But you know now, my

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father was in the army and he's
like, you want money, you go

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out and work exactly right, So
I you know, I have a work

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ethic. My older kids did as
well. So even though they were not

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very interested in my animals either,
they liked them, right, but they

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didn't want to help. And I
get it, you know, no,

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of course, of course, and
you love it and these are all your

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animals and you take a very very
good care of them. So what's something

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about I guess that you know,
because I guess when you hear about when

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you hear a sanctuary, it's usually
you know, for horses or you know,

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it's not for birds. So what's
something that probably you've learned or is

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like if there's an one answer to
this, it might not be at all.

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I'm just thinking something that people probably
wouldn't realize that, you know,

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because you're with them all the time. Well, when when you say sanctuary,

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you're right. The last thing folks
would play probably think about is ducks

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and geese. Sure, yeah they
do. They think about horses, They

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think about sheep up here, pigs, that type of thing. So you

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know, I think it were different. There's not. You know, I'm

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on a lot of Facebook pages with
folks who have similar refues for birds around

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the country, a couple of friends
up here that that do similar things.

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But you know, it's nobody thinks
about. So these are domesticated birds,

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which means that they don't fly correct, meaning that they couldn't. Yeah,

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they don't fly and they wouldn't survive
on their own if you put them out

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in the wild, not even one
night. So the sterms sitting ducks is

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yeah literally, yeah, yeah.
So they have you know, they have

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food, they have shelter, they
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I mean it's what's the shame to
me is and I think why I got

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into this is besides my love for
animals, is they do need so many

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needs to take care of these There's
a you know a lot of cats,

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a lot of dogs to meet adoptions. But you know there's hundreds and hundreds

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of birds that folks just leave by
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I get called a lot from our
town animal control people who find way were

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birds and I'm like, yeah,
okay them sure, now wayward birds.

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Would that be someone who had a
bird and just got rid of it,

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or a bird that was out in
the wild and was injured or both.

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No, no, no, no, I can't so in New Jersey,

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we can't take wild animals. So
if I found so, I get closed

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every once in a while, which
is funny, not funny. We found

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a squirrel, baby squirrel, right, you can't take that, Yeah,

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no, no, no no.
So I call animal control and they I

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put them in touch with the animals, right, right, right, people

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don't know better. The stores or
wherever they get them from, don't tell

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them. Right. If you put
one of these ducks on the side of

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the road, or a goose,
or they don't they won't survive. Yeah,

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of course, but people think that, and I guess, like everything

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else, when they realize it takes
work and they decide I want to get

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rid of it now, and so
they just put it out out in the

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road, which is terrible. Yeah, yeah, and I know. So

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I always tell people when they have
animals, you could be an animal lover,

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but if you're not going to put
in the commitment, that's right.

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It takes of an animal. Don't
get an animal, exactly, get a

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stuffed animal. You're absolutely right,
or go to the zoo. Correct,

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No, you're it makes me nuts
because I know with dogs and cats,

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people give them as holiday gifts,
and then the shelters in January, you

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know, tenth, January thirtieth are
loaded with all of the Christmas gifts Hanaga

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gifts that oh you know, it's
starting to get older. I don't really

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like it anymore, or it's not
so cute, or oh it's hard to

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take care of it. Well,
it's a living thing. It's a lot

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of work, of course, No, especially for folks who live in the

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city, right, who don't work. Sure, and I understand that you

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don't have to work, you know, every you know, two family folks

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are not home during the day,
walkers are e bensive, right, I

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understand that, But so then you
know, you just be responsible. I'm

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huge for spae and neutering. Yes, yep, I always have been that

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way. Unfortunately I can't really get
my bird spade neutered. But I don't

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have a lot. I say,
I don't have a lot who lay and

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have babies, But huh, I
just did have one of my females,

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and I think I sent you a
picture. She just has thirteen babies.

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That's right, you did. You
did send me, you know, and

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if you let me, I will
post that when I when I post this,

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yeah, oh yeah, she send
me. Yeah. Now, he's

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a great mom. And it's amazing
that after a day or two she brings

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them out and I have a big
fenced in area by my barn, and

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she watches them, like you know, she watches them very well, and

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they all follow her around. But
I'm always I'm always counting. It was

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a lot, But I tell you
what, they are adorable, don't you

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know. It's it's nature and stuff. But it's I find it very rewarding.

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I don't do it for anything,
but they need somebody to take care

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of them. And people think I
do love it. People think I'm crazy

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sometimes and everything. But that's okay. I'm my own kind of crazy.

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Well it's okay exactly. You know
what, you are good kind of crazy.

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I think more people in the world
need to be your kind of crazy.

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So it's okay if they call you
crazy, it's a compliment. That's

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how I look at it. So
do you have names for all of them?

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I do. I love it.
Here's a funny thing too, I

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know most of their voices, especially
the geese. I know when they want

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something. I could tell when they're
not feeling well or want something from me.

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I don't consider myself for any kind
of bird whisper, but I do

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because of what I do for a
living. I'm very observant, so I

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pay attention to you know, their
needs. I i'm you know, since

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I work out of my home,
I'm able to. Most of my time

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is spent in my remote office,
which is my truck buck by the barn.

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I have everything I need here,
so if I have the book clients

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or whatever I have to do,
like, I watch them sure, and

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I you know, I make my
time. I've done it for years.

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No, it's worked, right,
It's worked for me, so well,

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that's all that matters. I think
it's I think it's terrific. I love

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that when you've reached out to me
weeks ago, and you know, I

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was like, oh, I want
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cool. You know, it's it's
like you said, like we mentioned,

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it's different. And of course there
would be bird sanctuaries, but you don't

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hear about them as much as you
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So you know, no, No, most most of them are bird sanctuaries.

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A lot of a lot of folks
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African grains and you know indoor right, Yeah, as far as the outdoor

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wins, not so much. And
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for some reason and like birds,
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saying yes, that's true. And
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they have partners. Mostly they get
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they get very upsetive a partner dies, especially the geese. Sure, so

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it's yeah, I've done a lot
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I've done but I've done a lot
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my own. And so yeah,
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reason, but yeah, Algy,
I appreciate it, and I think what

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you do is wonderful too. I
somebody told me so, you've always been

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one of my favorite d days.
Well sure, you're like in my top

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five. Okay, I'll take it. Oh of all time. That's awesome.

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not in any order are like my
three favorite and so so any w Scottso

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was like, my guy, you
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you got your voice, and I
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sports radio a lot. Okay,
but but but from ten till when you're

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off, I listened to you.
Thank you. I'm a big Beatles guy,

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and I love your workforce blocks and
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but I love the Dead. So
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after my own heart to play with
all the great stuff. So and I

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love you know, and I listened
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find it very interesting. And I
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always used to start one for what
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you could you educate people because I'm
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know as much about ducks and geese
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cats. And yeah you should,
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trying to get my oldest son to
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a podcast for me? Right,
I was gonna say, we could teach

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you that, So that's not to
worry. So but what I what I

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do want to ask you is because
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know, ducks in the case,
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set up so this is you know, and my sontimes he goes, We're

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you're ful, he's as you should
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don't like asking people for money.
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you. If someone who's listening right
now and thinks, wow, that's amazing.

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This man does so much for all
of all of these birds and ducks

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and geese, and I have some
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no, as we always say,
like no donation is too large or small,

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somebody has an extra five dollars and
sends it to you that could feed

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a duck or something. So can
they? Are you open for donations if

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people feel yes, And I've had
folks, some folks you know, in

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the past, have given me bags
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know, supply for their water bowls
or you know I've gotten some. So

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basically, you know myself, you
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own business, as I would say, eighty percent of it goes to my

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farm. I figured it was something
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I don't. My accountant said to
me, have you ever added up how

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much to spend a week? I
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do that, right right? No, So you know, my business obviously

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is a for profit. My farm
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course which helped which which you know, uh, somebody who works with the

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state, and I work with the
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that only because it will take you
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no other reason but to save some
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listen, I would I would appreciate
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not asking, I'm asking, So
don't feel bad. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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okay, all right, I don't
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say, don't ever ask anybody for
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I get it, and you're not. You're not. I'm asking for you

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because I want my listeners to be
aware of you and be aware of your

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sanctuary. And if they have some
extra money, whatever it could be ten

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dollars, five dollars, I would, they could help you. So what's

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the best What is the best way? Is it to go to bearbrook ff

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dot com or through your Facebook page? What's the best way? Uh?

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They could actually send uh here I
am with my technology, so they could

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send it a check or the bear
Brook Rescue. So so I won't have

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my guy. I have a guy
who like if my Facebook page updated?

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And I think I also have an
Instagram page? Yes you do because I

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follow you? Okay, So people
can donate on Facebook, Yes, and

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I follow your Instagram, Yes I
do, thank you. Yeah, well

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I follow you too, but I
know so well. So people can go

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to bear Brook Rescue either through your
Facebook page or your Instagram and they can

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make a donation that way, yes
they can, or they can inquire how

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to I'm going to have my guy
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important. Who is actually very artistic
and he does this for me. But

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he has a he has a band
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venmo or something like that. Yes, he can do a venmo or he

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can just put an address in the
bio so people know where to send a

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check or something. So to do
that, I do believe on my Facebook

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it has that. Okay, the
US people have gotten touch about squirrels and

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you're like, no, thank you, no squirrels. Well you know,

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I'm like, wow, not a
while life, thank story. But right,

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well, I mean you'res that's a
very good d doer, Pete.

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You know that we need more people
like you in the world. We do

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well and and you as well,
with all your stuff you do. You

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have you have this platform that which
I think is a great thing as well

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to get the word out. Well
true, yes, true, yes,

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that's very important. No, absolutely, you know, it's like giving a

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voice to the voiceless. That's what
I always said. You know. It's

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great. And you got to be
some cool rockers, which is well,

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which is good too. Awesome,
Yeah, it's good. But it's to

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me it's awesome, man, Yeah, all right, it's awesome. Cool.

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So my cousin, my older cousin. I'll pay you a quick story.

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Basically raised me because my my father, you know, worked and my

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mother worked. He told me so
I was a big Beatles person, says

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she turned me onto the Beatles,
you know, in the sixties, and

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then I was always you know,
the Stones and oh yeah. The music

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thing to me is so I'm an
old rocker. So the music you guys

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plays, you know, Choke Cocker, Crouchestals and Nash, I like all

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that kind of stuff. So it's
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And the Birds listen to you guys. I love that the Birds are classic

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rockers too. You can't beat that. They get to eat your voice,

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you know, every day. It's
it's a it's a great thing. And

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I do appreciate what you do and
I appreciate the time that you provided me

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today. It was great talking to
you. Well. Same here. So

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Pete Lillo, have you made any
other Yes, you got me everything.

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I just want people to come find
you so they can help you out.

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It's Pete Lil Hello at bear Brook
feather Friend Rescue and Sanctuary. And they

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can find you on Facebook, and
they can find you on Instagram, and

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they can tell their friends and if
they're in New New Jersey they can visit

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you. Right. Well, yeah, I do encourage people to visit me.

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I've had a lot of groups come. I love that during the year.

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Yeah, it's with disabilities school group. I have a lot of friends

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around here who have farms of horse
farms that teach disabled kids and adults to

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ride, and they go there and
they come here, and I love having

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I love having visitors. I love
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if they come. Ah, that's
a great I know you're a city person,

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and you ever make your way up
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so I can come see I want
to see you, and I want to

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see all the birds. I definitely
will. Well, Pete, thank you.

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Love that, Thanks for all your
time. Keep doing what you're doing.

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We need more people like you.
Thank you, Maria, and keep

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rocking. S never been a greater
operator. And do not see you Rader Varmigator