WEBVTT 1 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:17.519 Hello, and welcome to Blurry Putos. I'm your host, Heyvid Flora. 2 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:21.679 On this episode, we welcome back author Travis Watson, who returns to the 3 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:26.760 show to talk about his new book, Canadian Monsters and Mysteries and exploration of 4 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.920 high strangeness in the Great White North. Here is my interview with Travis Watson. 5 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:44.479 Enjoy. We welcome back Travis Watson, author of Canadian Monsters and Mysteries. 6 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:48.159 Travis, welcome back. You are dangerously close to getting yourself a free 7 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.600 iced coffee. For how many times you've come here. I'll tell you what. 8 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:56.119 I'm starting to feel like I spend more time with headphones on than I 9 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:02.119 do in front of my computer. Sometimes, well's pay it all for you, 10 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.840 man. This is this is the latest from you. Tell me a 11 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:10.840 little bit about it. This stuff as a research you've done in addition to 12 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.280 the other books that you've written, or is this a special thing you've worked 13 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.000 on. Did it come out of the other research? It's actually, you 14 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:23.280 know, a standalone project. I moved to Canada in twenty twenty. My 15 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.760 spouse got a job as a as a lecturer at the University of Waterloo, 16 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:33.879 which is quite a coup, quite a career coup because this is Waterloo is 17 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:38.120 basically the kind of the Mit of Canada, or one of them anyway, 18 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:46.719 So they're they're doing their thing as a computer science lecturer. And I was 19 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:49.879 part of the reason that I've been able to put out so many books in 20 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.359 the past couple of years is I have, you know, not been able 21 00:01:53.400 --> 00:02:00.000 to work here until fairly recently, and now things are rolling along pretty well. 22 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:05.640 Also, you know, I'm kind of taking my time about returning to 23 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:10.960 the everyday workforce. So I moved to Canada and I looked around me and 24 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.280 I said, uh, well, you know, I'm a I'm a researcher 25 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:16.800 of all things weird. I wonder what kind of weird things there are in 26 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.400 Canada? Sure, And I quickly discovered, you know, as with mysteries 27 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:25.439 in the midst when I thought, gee, I wonder if fog and clouds 28 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:30.479 and stuff appear in the paranormal a lot. Once I went down the rabbit 29 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.520 hole, I was like, oh my goodness, there's there's so much stuff 30 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.919 that I literally had to cut large chunks of things out of the book. 31 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.479 You know, for instance, I don't deal with sasquatch at all in this 32 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:49.840 book, because that's my next book basically is Sasquatching Canada. Yeah, you 33 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.520 know, I chose not to do the the Lake Champlain Monster because that's been 34 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:59.319 very ably that's being very ably done by somebody else. I also chose not 35 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.680 to do the Window Go for the same reason. And Hauntings that may be 36 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:08.240 the book after this one, because just in Ontario alone, there are tons 37 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:14.240 of haunting you know, ghost stories, lots of history stuff. Um. 38 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.960 So you know, I touch on hauntings maybe a little bit in this book 39 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:22.520 with phantom trains and things like that, but fantom ships, but I don't 40 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.319 go full bore into you know, I went to this place and blah bla 41 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:29.280 blah, you know, all that sort of stuff. So but even that 42 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.240 then, uh, you know, this book is another book like Mysteries in 43 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:39.240 the Myths. It has a wide variety of things that would interest people who 44 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:46.319 are interested in the paranormal m ranging from cryptids through UFOs. I do a 45 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.400 section on fairy lore um and I even close out with a section that's just 46 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:57.319 basically forty on a phantom fires or what do they call fire spooks fire spooks 47 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.039 um and uh and other rangness like that. So as I got into the 48 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:09.039 research, I found all kinds of interesting things. The thing that really interested 49 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:15.560 me, though, was I had to find a number of different sources because 50 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:24.560 a lot of the stories from Canada you only find with Canadian authors. So 51 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:30.480 I had to explore a whole new set of writers, some of whom have 52 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:36.079 written some really fantastic work, but we don't hear much about them in the 53 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:42.360 United States. So I thought that was pretty cool. Good example of that, 54 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:48.800 the guy named John Wormes has written a fantastic book called Strange Creatures Seldom 55 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:56.079 Seen, which most people have probably never heard of. It's a collect he 56 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:59.879 hails from. I'm not sure whether he's still alive or not, honestly, 57 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:06.120 but he was from Manitoba, Province of Manitoba. Here in Canada we have 58 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:12.120 provinces instead of states, and there's quite there are far fewer of them than 59 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:16.759 there are states. Oh yeah, So he hailed from Manitoba and apparently he 60 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:24.920 had connections in the First Nations communities of Manitoba, and so he wrote a 61 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:30.879 book that's a collection of cryptids sightings from Canada, and some of which we'll 62 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.800 probably talk about, I hope we'll talk about later because he gave up some 63 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:42.120 really interesting stuff. Yeah, but just as an example of you know, 64 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.720 there's a couple of people, a couple of other people that I found that 65 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:50.519 were really really helpful in this research. And speaking of the First Nations sources, 66 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:55.040 as you say, John Worms had a lot to draw from. Did 67 00:05:55.040 --> 00:06:00.680 you have any other First Nations sources that you drew from or did you find 68 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.759 that, like in many places in America, a lot of the indigenous peoples 69 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:12.120 don't really like to discuss this kind of lure. Yeah. Unfortunately, because 70 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:17.399 of the history of European colonization. You know, both in the US and 71 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:24.199 in Canada, Native people's are just not likely to talk to somebody that they 72 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.920 don't know. Um, So I did not. I do have you know, 73 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.600 of course, the John Worm's book that I just talked about, there's 74 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:38.680 also some newspaper articles of sightings of things that have been seen, uh, 75 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.680 you know in First Nations reserves they call them reserves up here and reservations. 76 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.839 But directly no, um, I didn't have any any direct sources, but 77 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:53.639 I certainly do cite Native people throughout the book. Yeah, and not to 78 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:59.079 mention the fact that a lot of times talking about something taboo like that is 79 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:04.279 bad as well to certain cultures because it invites that sort of bad negative energy. 80 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:09.519 Yeah, worms makes the point of saying that, you know, one 81 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.480 of the things that he had to work against and collecting these stories was, 82 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:18.959 on the one hand, you had these people who'd seen these incredible things and 83 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.680 and almost needed to talk to somebody about it. On the other hand, 84 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:29.240 the elders were very clear to them that they should just forget this stuff and 85 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.839 walk away that you know, you don't want to talk about this, you 86 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.759 don't want to dwell on it, you don't want to think about it. 87 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.360 You just want to go on about your everyday life and let the mystery be 88 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:48.040 the mystery, basically, And so they're very torn a lot of times telling 89 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:54.600 these stories. You know, you see this a lot and amongst the Navajo, 90 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:59.759 for instance, the Denay when they talk about skinwalkers. On the one 91 00:07:59.800 --> 00:08:01.519 hand, and a lot of these people, not a lot of these people. 92 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:07.160 Some of these people had these really incredible experiences with things that they cannot 93 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.560 explain, you know. But on the other hand, there is a strong, 94 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:18.399 strong spiritual taboo about talking about this subject at all because again, as 95 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.480 you say, you know, to name the thing is to attract its attention, 96 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.680 you know, so if they do talk about it, they talk in 97 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:31.360 circles around it and don't actually and try very hard not to refer to it 98 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:35.960 directly. You know, they'll talk about how this thing was walking around on 99 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.039 their roof. You know, they're not going to say I saw a skin 100 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.159 walker. You know, They'll they'll say, well, you know, I 101 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.639 was driving down the road and this thing was running along the road beside me. 102 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.039 They won't refer to it directly if they can help it. And we 103 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.080 see the same kind of thing happening in Europe. You know, in an 104 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.960 earlier time, when European people talk about the fairy folk, they would not 105 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.320 name the fairy folk. They had all kinds of euphemisms for them so they 106 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.840 could avoid saying them saying the name, because saying the name attracted their attention. 107 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.679 And you know, not all fairy were you know, happy slappy, 108 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.000 you know, flying around waving their wand and making colors kinds of creatures. 109 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.519 Some of them were pretty dangerous. Yeah, So these folks had learned how 110 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.600 to live with the spirits in their land, and some of the native people 111 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.360 here. Yeah, and this ties a little bit into a part in the 112 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:39.320 book where you mentioned where you went to the Superstition Mountains in Arizona and had 113 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.120 the feeling that you got there right. Yeah, Well, you know, 114 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.519 I'm yeah, I've always been kind of one of those outdoors people, you 115 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.679 know. I like to hike and do that sort of fan. I haven't 116 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.639 had as much of a chance to do it lately, but you know, 117 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.679 just because of busy schedule and such. But sure, back in the day 118 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.000 when I lived in Arizona, which was some time ago, over twenty years 119 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:09.919 ago, you know, I did have a chance to visit the Superstitions since 120 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.080 they were right next to where I lived. Basically I lived in Mace, 121 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:20.720 Arizona. And yeah, the Apache people of that area had very strong, 122 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:28.519 no no pun intended superstitions about that mountain range in their legends, at least 123 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.240 in some tribes. It was it was supposed to be the home of the 124 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:39.879 id Nahin, who were the thunder beings of Apache lore. And there's something 125 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.480 special about that place. I will say that just outright, you know, 126 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:52.639 just intuitively, walking paths and climbing mountains in that area, there's something different 127 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.039 about the Superstitions. It has a distinct feel to it. That you don't 128 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:05.200 I've not encountered anywhere else. There are places in those mountains where you really 129 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:11.080 probably shouldn't go. I had occasion, on at least one one time, 130 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.600 to walk into a side canyon off of a off of a path that I 131 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:24.039 was following up in the Superstition Range, and the experience was really bizarre because 132 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:28.399 it was a you know, it's the desert. It's a bright, sunshiny 133 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.960 day. The only time it's ever not bright and sunshiny in the in the 134 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.360 Arizona Desert is during what they euphemistically referred to as the monsoon season, when 135 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.360 they get thunderstorms coming in from the Bajai area. Yeah. Most of the 136 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.039 time, though, you know, the sky is blue and the sun is 137 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.399 beating down on you. I walked into this canyon and it was like I 138 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.080 had walked It's it's a kind of the same kind of feeling that some people 139 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:54.279 will describe walking into a cold spot and a haunted house. Yeah, it 140 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.080 seemed to me that the temperature dropped, you know, and of course this 141 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.840 is all perceptual stuff, right, but it seemed to me that the temperature 142 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:07.960 dropped and it seemed darker in this canyon. And it wasn't just the shade 143 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.679 from the canyon walls or that kind of thing. I took about five steps 144 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.519 into this thing, and I had a very clear, intuitive feeling that I 145 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.399 didn't belong there. Yeah, And I was like, okay, all right, 146 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.639 I'm fine with that. I'm backing out now. You know, Sorry 147 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:30.919 I bothered you and I did, you know. I turned around and walked 148 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.639 right out, And as soon as I walked out of the out of that 149 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:39.159 area, everything returned to normal. Um. So you know, I there 150 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.600 are legends of people disappearing up there, yea, and that sort of thing. 151 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:50.080 And I'm not surprised because there's definitely some sort of presence up there that 152 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:56.679 is not not happy, not amicable with people. And I don't know whether 153 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:03.080 that's just people of European descent or whether it's you know, everybody, Yeah, 154 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:09.799 you know, but definitely, I I don't really want to know what 155 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:11.720 would have happened if I had been hardheaded and decided that I was going to 156 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.240 walk back in that canyon. You know, right, we might not be 157 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:22.679 having an interview. It's entirely possible. Can you tell us about some places 158 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.399 like that in Canada that you lay up in the book. Oh my goodness. 159 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.000 Um, so yeah, why don't we just talk about the whole book 160 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:37.919 now? Starting on page one. I didn't focus so much on particular places 161 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.399 because there are well okay, so we can go to one place. Um, 162 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.120 we can go to Nova Scotia. Oh yeah, okay um. And 163 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.879 there is a very good, uh fantom ship story from from Nova Scotia. 164 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.840 It's called the Fantom Ship of the Northumberland Straight and uh, this one doesn't 165 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:05.080 like a lot of fantom ship stories seem to have like an origin story, 166 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.600 you know, a ship went down, something happened, blah blah blah. 167 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.840 This particular one doesn't have an origin story that any of the authors that I 168 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:18.720 read could track down. But throughout the course of history in Nova Scotia, 169 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:28.519 since the settlement time, people have reported seeing a masted three rig sailing vessel 170 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:35.399 out in the Northumberland Strait on fire, and you know, they can actually 171 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:43.720 see figures moving around and so forth. This apparition is so realistic that a 172 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.720 rescue team launched from Charlottetown Harbor at one point. And this must have been 173 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.759 some time ago because they talk about rowing out there, but they rowed up 174 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:58.360 toward this toward this apparently burning vessel. They could see people running around. 175 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:03.559 They couldn't understand why nobody w is jumping overboard because the ship was obviously lost, 176 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.360 right, But they're they're looking at this. They can actually feel the 177 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.000 heat of the flames as they're approaching this, this apparition. But as they 178 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:18.600 get closer, suddenly it's enveloped in fog, and then when the fog clears, 179 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:24.360 it disappears. When the writer who who wrote about this started the section 180 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:31.960 on this on this Phantom talks about two husband and wife who were staying in 181 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.399 a hotel in Nova Scotia and looked out their window and they saw this, 182 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:41.399 this, this ship on fire in the strait. They called the local Coastguard, 183 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:46.200 which handles water search and rescue here in Canada as much as they do 184 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.559 in the United States. They don't do so much law enforcement. They're more 185 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:54.159 of a search and rescue organization called the local Coastguard. Coastguard asking well, 186 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.000 what are you seeing and they describe this, you know, masted sailing vessel 187 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:00.159 blah blah blah, it was on fire. So on, and so part 188 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.480 says, oh, that's the that's the ghost ship out in the straight, 189 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:07.039 You're you're okay, it's all right, don't worry about it, don't worry 190 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.679 about it. Yeah, there's a story of a ferry boat, because there 191 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.240 are ferries that go back and forth between Nova Scotia and the mainland that actually 192 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.759 cited this thing, and they tried to get radar on it, and of 193 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.960 course they got no return. But they're all standing there looking at it, 194 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.080 going, oh, it's the fantom ship of straight, you know, because 195 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.519 everybody in the area apparently knows the story. Um. So it's it's a 196 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:33.320 it's a very uh. It's an interesting I found a bit about the guys 197 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:38.000 rowing up to it and feeling the heat and that disappears was just wonderfully spooky. 198 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:44.200 Yeah. So you wonder what it is that actually caused that, you 199 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:49.720 know, because all of these fantom ships type stories give you the impression that 200 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:56.399 there was some traumatic event as kind of the stone tape theory that imprinted itself 201 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.960 that keeps replaying over and over under certain circumstan stances. You know, you 202 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.720 wonder what what horrible thing happened that caused this, uh, caused this phantom 203 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:11.880 to start appearing. But we're talking about spooky places too, um, you 204 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.839 have Nova Scotia or not Nova Scotia. I'm sorry. Prince Edward Island has 205 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:25.759 its own phantom train which which runs kind of on the tracks around Wellington, 206 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:30.519 which is you know town in that area. Prince Edward Island's a little tiny 207 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.079 island that's its own province off the coast of Canet's famous for its red beaches 208 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:41.839 and for I think it's Anne of Green Gables. But the Phantom train is 209 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:48.079 spooky because this is a thing that people see on December evenings almost always in 210 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:56.079 December. Um they will actually see it traveling traveling the tracks. They can 211 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:03.079 see lights on in the train, but there are no people. And when 212 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.160 folks have tried to come down off the hill where they're looking down on this 213 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.799 thing and get closer to the tracks and where this thing appears, the people 214 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:15.279 that are close to the tracks can't see it, but the people who are 215 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:22.440 up on the hill still can. And really it's interesting because you know, 216 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:26.559 this is a this is a and it always stops at the same gate and 217 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:33.960 then it disappears. So this is interesting because there are other phantom train stories 218 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:41.559 in that area where the phantom train is cited for a certain period of time, 219 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:47.000 and then someone dies as a result of a train accident. Someone dies, 220 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.599 and then the train doesn't appear anymore. It's almost like the train is 221 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:55.519 coming to pick up that that particular soul, and then off it goes in 222 00:18:55.519 --> 00:19:00.200 this particular phantom train, though it keeps coming, you know. So some 223 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:06.680 so one wonders, you know December in European folklore, you know that that 224 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:15.240 time between Salon approximately Halloween and Yule, the the the winter solstice, uh, 225 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:17.960 is a time when the dead are most likely to walk the earth, 226 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:22.359 right, the restless dead, so to speak. And um, you know, 227 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.720 one wonders if if the you know, the train's not stopping to pick 228 00:19:25.759 --> 00:19:30.839 some passengers, you know, take them off to whatever version of the after 229 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:37.720 life they're going to. Uh. It's just incredibly a wonderfully spooky story. 230 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:44.440 Now was this the same one where a conductor saw it had everybody bail out 231 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.599 of his own train. Yeah, now that wasn't that was that was in 232 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:52.960 another area of Canada entirely. That was in Manitoba. Again, I think 233 00:19:52.960 --> 00:20:00.640 it was Manitoba Medicine hat Yeah, pretty sure that's Manitoba. Um. So 234 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:07.640 in that story, conductor and his fireman are on the train. He looks 235 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:11.759 up to see a train coming at them on the same track, and of 236 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.880 course he's like, you know, he yells at the fireman, save yourself, 237 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:15.960 because there's no way he's going to make it off of the train in 238 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.480 time, right, and so fireman bails out. He bails off of the 239 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:26.359 train. The train comes straight at him and then seems to divert off to 240 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.880 the side and go around him. Except there's no track there. Yeah, 241 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:36.720 there's no track there. So he's so freaked out about it. His name 242 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:41.240 was Bob Tooey, if I remember correctly. He's so freaked out by this 243 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:42.920 incident that, you know, he doesn't come into work for the next day. 244 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.880 It takes him a couple of days to get his stuff together enough to 245 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:52.640 actually come back to work. And then he promptly requests a transfer to another 246 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.000 line. Apparently, and I don't know if this is a railroad worker superstition 247 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:03.079 or what, but apparently he saw this as a death portant and so he 248 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.240 was scared to death, right, He thought, sure he was gonna gonna 249 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.880 die in a train accident. So he requests a transfer. He gets a 250 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:18.240 transfer to another location, another line. I'm still working for the same railroad 251 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.480 and so forth. The fellow who takes over as conductor for the line that 252 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:26.319 he was on, the Lethridge line, I believe, has the same fireman. 253 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:33.960 The exact same thing happens to him. They're going down, minding their 254 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.559 own business, blah blah blah, see a train coming. It's like, 255 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.599 oh my god, we're going to die. And then it goes around them 256 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:47.319 on a track that doesn't exist. They testified that the train was lit on 257 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:52.799 the inside and they could actually see passengers walking around inside this train. Right, 258 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:57.640 so super weird, right, But you know, this conductor tells twoy, 259 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.680 Hey, you know I had the same thing happened to me, and 260 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:02.920 they're both like, oh, well, I guess they were okay, then, 261 00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.759 you know whatever. The sad part of the story is that Bob too 262 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:18.920 was passed, was conducting one train and this other conductor was conducting the Lethbridge 263 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:22.880 train, and unfortunately they did end up on the same tracks and had a 264 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:32.079 massive collision that killed you know, over ten railroad personnel just outside of medicine 265 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:38.079 hat. Apparently the collision was so intense that said that half the people in 266 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:45.319 medicine had actually heard heard the train wreck so and both he both too, 267 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:51.559 He and the other conductor were killed. So in that case, the phantom 268 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:56.759 train seems to have been a death portant. Yeah, and you know, 269 00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:02.480 again, what kind of a you know, is this a psychic experience that 270 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:07.079 happens to somebody prior to their death? You know, was somebody trying to 271 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:12.440 warm them? Um? You just have to wonder what in the world was 272 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:21.759 going on that caused this very singular experience to happen to two different people who 273 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.400 then ended up running into each other literally. Yeah. Yeah, it's just 274 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.680 a very very strange story. That's you know, now of course a staple 275 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:36.880 and psychical lore here in Canada. Sure, yeah, and trying to warn 276 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:40.359 them to try and figure out how to make a train jump the track and 277 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.200 go around the train. You know, we'll just we'll just figure out a 278 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:48.400 way to switch the other train onto a track it doesn't exist, and you 279 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:53.200 know, everything will be okay now, something that you know, it's it's 280 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:59.400 surprising, I think when someone hears about this section of the book, But 281 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.759 if you think about it, it's really not just because of the immigration, 282 00:24:03.799 --> 00:24:08.240 the settlers, the colonization, but there's a lot of fairy lore in the 283 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.440 book. Did that just pop up out of nowhere? For you? Were 284 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:17.599 you expecting to find that much? I had some indication. And now you 285 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:22.400 know, any time that you do research into the strange, you're always going 286 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:26.920 to have little things that pop up that make you go, oh, wait 287 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.559 over there. And when I did Mysteries in the Mist, I did include 288 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:37.119 a section on fairy and I did talk a little bit about fairy story in 289 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:42.039 Canada. And honestly at this point I don't remember which one is, but 290 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:49.319 that got me a particular source that I referred to. There's a whole section 291 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:57.039 in the book on the fairy lore of Newfoundland which is devoted to a doctoral 292 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:03.599 project or doctoral dissertation, and it was done by Barbara Ready, which is 293 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.480 called Strange Terrain. I think I don't remember the name of the book right 294 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.559 off the top of my head, but I think it was a Strange Terrain 295 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.480 and it is about the fairy lore of Newfoundland. But let me back up 296 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.880 for Betty um Okay, the Native people here in Canada have their own fairy 297 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:25.680 lore. They have they have what they call usually called little people, one 298 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.640 of the one of the terms that's used for them. I'm going to take 299 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:32.000 a stab at this. I'm not sure exactly how it's pronounced as managishi. 300 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.480 So these are are little people. Um. They have a reputation reputation for 301 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:45.559 being more mischievous than anything else, but have been known to assist travelers and 302 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.960 that sort of thing, and they're generally depicted as just that being little people. 303 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:56.039 Um. John Worms has a great story out of Manitoba about a First 304 00:25:56.119 --> 00:26:02.480 Nation's person who ran into not literally really, but who was driving a minivan 305 00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:07.960 if I recall down the road and cited several of these Manichei creatures. But 306 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.920 the way that she describes them, I was thinking to myself, you know, 307 00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:19.359 that sounds a whole lot like the frog man from from Loveland, Loveland, 308 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:26.480 Ohio, because she described them as being sort of hopping as they moved 309 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:32.480 instead of walking. They sort of hopped along. They had a skin that 310 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:38.559 was very slick and smooth and kind of a greenish color or greenish or grayish 311 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:45.240 color, and very smooth features and not at all human looking. Right. 312 00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.960 They they closely resembled the frog you know, you had that sort So I 313 00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.559 was thinking to myself, hmm, I wonder yeah, then you know my 314 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.480 mind goes down the rabbit hole and wonders. I wonder if the guy, 315 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:03.319 the police officer that saw the thing originally was actually a First Nation's perth. 316 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:10.400 Interesting, yeah, you know, because they do have their own fairy lore. 317 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:14.000 But as I say, for the most part, the manige she's supposed 318 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.640 to be, or the little people whatever name they go by, because every 319 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.759 tribe seems to have a different name for them. They're frequently associated with stones 320 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.720 as well, so they sometimes are called the stone people, which lines up 321 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.720 the Icelandic folklore about the holder folk, you know. So yeah, you 322 00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.599 get all these cross reference things going. But to refer to back to the 323 00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:44.079 lion's share of stuff, a lot of the fairy folklore of Canada is centered 324 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:49.799 in Nova Scotia, obviously New Scotland, and then in Newfoundland, which also 325 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:57.559 has a very strong Scottish Irish settlement proportion there. As I said, Riadi 326 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:03.480 wrote a whole book about the fairy law of Newfoundland and that fairy lure is 327 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:10.400 fairy similar to what we see if we go read things like you know, 328 00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:17.039 the Fairy Faith and Celtic Country by Evans wentz um Any of several of Catherine 329 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.480 briggs encyclopedic books on the fairy. A lot of the lore that you see 330 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:25.920 coming out of Newfoundland, the stories that you see coming out of Newfoundland are 331 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.799 very similar to the European fairy stories. So you have to wonder, you 332 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:36.319 know, it's like, okay, did did you know they just attached their 333 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:44.720 fairy lure to the existing spirits of that land or did they follow them the 334 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.839 follow them? I bring this out in the book. I happen to have 335 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.880 taken some seminars and had some correspondence with a guy named r J. Stewart, 336 00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:59.319 who is, for one of a better term, a fairy seer. 337 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:06.759 He is an individual who actually works with fairy spirits, fairy people, fairy 338 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.839 folk, whatever you want to call it. And RJ told me he goes 339 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.759 by Bob, but you know, call him RJ because that's how they actually, 340 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.640 that's how he writes. It's like calling me WT Watson, right right. 341 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.799 So RJ actually told me that, you know, of course there were 342 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:32.039 these fairy healers and fairy seers who lived in Scotland, and of course some 343 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.400 of those people were caught up in the forced migration to the New World UM 344 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.000 ended up in places like Appalachia, UM. You know, the British were 345 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:45.039 intent on breaking the the cultural history of Scotland, and so they were just 346 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:51.599 shipping people out in mass and then and then pulling English people in to replace 347 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.319 them. So these fairy seers would get sent over to the New World and 348 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.319 they would lose their fairy contacts for a period of time time, and then 349 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.599 over the course of time those contacts would re establish themselves on that side of 350 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.559 the world. So it's entirely possible that you know, whatever fairies are, 351 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:17.519 you know, and we can go into you know, you can go into 352 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.039 all kinds of theories about that. But whatever fairies are, uh, they 353 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.160 may have actually followed the people that they knew, um. And so we 354 00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:32.519 ended up with very similar fairy stories in places like Newfoundland. UM. But 355 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.160 they did manage to put their own spin on things. UM. For instance, 356 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.200 you know, it's it's it's known that there are in particularly in the 357 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:48.039 Celtic Lands, but throughout Europe there it's known that and even in Iceland it's 358 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.480 known that the fairy have particular paths that they trought right and that you know, 359 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.720 putting a house or whatever on one of those paths, UM is really 360 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:03.160 not a good idea because it's going to result in chaos in your home, 361 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:11.079 ranging ranging from poltergeist type activities to just bad luck, just general bad luck. 362 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.880 There's a story in Reaity about some people who situated their house on a 363 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:23.640 fairy path and could not have a child. They kept losing babies until they 364 00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.160 moved. Until they moved out of that house and into a different location where, 365 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.680 you know where, they were perfectly successful in having a family. The 366 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:41.680 other interesting thing about paths with fairies in Newfoundland is that if you go walking 367 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:48.559 along a particular path that belongs to the fairy, you may find yourself obstructed. 368 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:52.599 There's a story of a couple of young ladies who were walking from Village 369 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.920 A to Village B, and they came across a forest in a place where 370 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.119 there hadn't been a forest before. So of course this freaked them out a 371 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.519 little bit, and they're like, I don't know if we want to go 372 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.279 in there or not. So they went back to the house that they came 373 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.559 from and they talked to the you know, the authority that the ant or 374 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:15.599 mother or whoever it was, that the female figure who knew about these things, 375 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:22.880 and she blesses them with holy water, which is a classic method of 376 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:28.440 avoiding being taken by the fairy. She blesses them with holy water, and 377 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:31.279 then she gives them bread, and she tells them, okay, you hold 378 00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.240 when you get to the forest, you hold this in your left hand and 379 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:40.400 you just start handing bread out all around you. Again, very classic European 380 00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:47.400 motif, where in order to incur the good, good feeling of the local 381 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:51.759 fairy, you give them all freaks. Right, So they go, they 382 00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.119 come to this forest again, they start to you know, handing out their 383 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.279 bread and so forth, and sure enough the forest disappears and they go on 384 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.200 about their way. So you give offering to the local ferry and they let 385 00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.720 you pass. But the mom did there, the aunt, I believe it 386 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.519 was an aunt, did comment that, uh, you know, you really 387 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.599 shouldn't take that path, that the north way is for the faery in the 388 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:17.480 south way is for people. Um. So they're like, okay, all 389 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.640 right, well we won't do that again. But yeah, but now we're 390 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.119 trying to go from point A to point B the quickest that we can because 391 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.359 it's going to get dark. So we're we're gonna we're gonna do the offering 392 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:35.519 to the faery. You can get through there there was even uh, you 393 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.960 know, because one of the classic things in fairy lower in Europe was the 394 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:45.400 idea of a changeling that the fairy would take a human infant and leave something 395 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:51.480 in its place, an old, wizened fairy that looked like a baby baby. 396 00:33:52.359 --> 00:34:00.799 Um. And the story that Reade has came from one of her students 397 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:07.119 who collected it from somebody in their their hometown. And this actually happened in 398 00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:15.000 nineteen sixty eight. That these folks had a fine, young, barn little 399 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.119 baby boy, if I recall, and uh, you know, very happy, 400 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.960 outgoing, you know, sort of baby, right, sort of baby 401 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.639 everybody loves, yeah, um. And one day this child just becomes the 402 00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:31.840 sullen, you know, unhappy, crying, you know, wretched thing. 403 00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.480 And of course they know the local fairy lore. They're like, we've been 404 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.400 gifted with a changeling here. So they tried a couple of different things, 405 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.159 but they and remember again this is nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, they ended 406 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:53.719 up with his baby on a shovel over an open fire and told the they 407 00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:58.199 just held the baby out there and they said, you know what, you 408 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:02.159 give us our kid back or we're dumping the changeling in the fire, and 409 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.880 sure enough, according to the story, baby on the shovel disappears and they 410 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:14.039 hear their own child crying in the house. So yeah, and then we 411 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:19.199 want to get into the whole alien abduction thing, right. You know, 412 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.400 you read Joshua Cutchens Thieves in the Night and you're like, nah, yeah, 413 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:30.599 okay, so maybe it's not alien the changeling. To to defeat the 414 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.239 changelings, to switch them back, they're always such a brutal Oh yeah, 415 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:39.039 you have to do I have to do something really nasty in order to get 416 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.320 the ferry to take their their their being back and give you your baby. 417 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.400 You know, you have to hold them over a fire or shove a red 418 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:52.599 hot poker down their throat or some kind of really awful, terrible thing. 419 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.320 Yeah, or threatened to anyway, or threatened to. Yeah. My favorite 420 00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:01.320 one is boiling eggshells. And it's not even something brutal or something. It's 421 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:06.400 just a way to trick them because the change links so curious about it. 422 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:17.440 They stand up and what are you doing? We got you alright, and 423 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.840 give you your baby. That's wild. Yeah, So that that was yeah, 424 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.159 I mean, you know, it's one thing to read about that happening 425 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.000 in the you know, the eighteen hundreds or even the early early nineteen hundreds, 426 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.280 But in nineteen sixty eight, you figure, a, yeah, nobody 427 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:40.679 believes in that stuff anymore, right, wrong, This stuff is steeped in 428 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:46.440 this and one other things tangential a little bit to the faith focused stuff. 429 00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.599 But something that surprised me was the amount of mur folk sightings. Oh yeah, 430 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:54.320 that are up there. Did that surprise you too? Yeah? Yeah, 431 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:59.679 I well, first of all, honestly, I'm not that conversant with 432 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.400 our folk, right, I thought, well, you know, I mean 433 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.519 there are stories about that, you know, as I mentioned in the book, 434 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.599 I'd read John Michael Greer's book, and uh and uh, you know, 435 00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:14.199 he talks about the mur folk as being you know, basically spirits of 436 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.199 the water or spirits of the sea or whatever, the type of faery basically. 437 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.920 But I had no idea, first of all, that that it was 438 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:27.920 fairly common for Scottish people to see these things, um, which I should 439 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.679 have known because I'm a scott My mother was born in Glasgow, you know. 440 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.559 Um, you know, if you look at my DNA, it's like 441 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.119 I'm so norm European. I should I should glow in the dark, right, 442 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:47.039 Um. But yeah, um, there are sightings of what we would 443 00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:53.199 call murder people both on the on the ocean, um in Atlanta, Canada, 444 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:59.960 and then more interestingly in the lakes in Canada, which you're not lacking 445 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.280 four yeah, which we are definitely not lacking for. There's there's there's thousands. 446 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.079 Is one of the things that people don't know about. Canada's sent the 447 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.320 second largest country in the world first of all, and it has well over 448 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.400 ten thousand lakes that are over three square kilometers. Yeah. Yeah, so 449 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.920 it's there's just thousands and thousands. Let's say you can't go anywhere with already 450 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.440 into water in this place, you know, I mean because I I'm you 451 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.840 know, I'm in between two lakes here in Kitchener and you know, two 452 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.000 great lakes. Um. And then there's you know Lake Simco that's up off 453 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.039 to the north, and there's just lakes everywhere. So Lake Superior, you 454 00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.920 know, which is famous for um, you know, the Edmund Fitzgerald and 455 00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:47.239 the sinking of the Edmondsphere Serald. But there's a story from Lake Superior of 456 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:55.760 a explorer in the in the colonial period who encountered one of these beings on 457 00:38:55.800 --> 00:39:02.239 the lake. Um was observing for a while and then decided that he was 458 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.320 going to shoot it. So he picks his rifle up and his Native American 459 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:15.239 companion goes Native Canadian companion goes completely nuts and basically, you know, attacks 460 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:20.639 him and starts, you know, pumbling him and wrestling the rifle away from 461 00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.760 him. He's like, what is wrong with you? And she's like, 462 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.920 are you mad? You know, don't you know what happens if you provoke 463 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:30.760 one of the gods of the lakes and waters? And he's like, well, 464 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.280 no, what happens? She says, well, you'll find out, 465 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.360 and she bails out. She gets off the boat and leaves. Right. 466 00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.760 He and his men were like, oh, okay, wheredo, you know 467 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.880 whatever strange native folklore or whatever you know, blah blah blah, you know, 468 00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:51.119 typical European arrogance. Right, So they set up set up camp on 469 00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:57.960 the shore of the lake and that night a massive storm blows in and it 470 00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.320 is all that they can do, you know, the wind and the rain 471 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.119 and you know, the water is actually rising. The wind is blowing so 472 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:10.000 hard it's actually pushing the lake up the shoreline toward them, they have to 473 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:15.119 move their camp back a good distance in order to keep from from losing all 474 00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:21.360 their supplies and drowning. Now, if you know anything about murh folk lore, 475 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.199 one of the things that is said to happen if you provoke one of 476 00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:30.639 these beings is storms. So you know, obviously this First Nations person knew 477 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.400 what she was talking about. Now, the thing that really interested me about 478 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.760 the mur Folks stories, though, was John Worms Again. Wonderful, wonderful 479 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:45.039 book. I can't recommend this book enough if you're interested at all in Canadian 480 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.000 mysteries monsters, you know, whether it's sasquatch or any of the other weirder 481 00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.519 things that hopefully we'll get a chance to talk about. Has a whole section 482 00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:01.400 on First Nations people who encounter mermaids or murman And the interesting thing about this 483 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:09.880 is that the Native people in Manitoba who encounter these things almost invariably describe them 484 00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.280 as being white people with not just white, but with red hair, red 485 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:21.719 or blonde hair. Yeah, there's there's a story of a young lady who 486 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:27.480 liked to She and her companions would dive in the water and they would see 487 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.920 who could swim underwater. For the longest, and she was like the champ 488 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.440 at this um. She dove under the water in one of the local lakes 489 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:40.000 that she was close to at that time, and encountered this, this blonde 490 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:46.119 mermaid under the water, and she would she would never ever after that go 491 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.840 into the deep water in any of the lakes. Yeah, I mean, 492 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.079 this thing affected her so strongly because you know, again we had that that 493 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:59.679 first nation's attitude about encountering a mystery, you know, and it's it's something 494 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.400 safe, acrid, it's something you don't want to talk about, it's on 495 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:06.760 and so forth. Right, So she encountered this being that was, you 496 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:12.400 know, basically a blonde Caucasian person from the waist up and a fish from 497 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:16.239 the waist down. Go figure, you know, And she's and she's not, 498 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:20.599 and she's not the only one. There were you know, a group 499 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.480 of Native girls who were walking along a path. They spotted you know, 500 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:31.199 this person in the off the distance. Apparently they only saw like the upper 501 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.159 part of her. And they saw this person sitting on a rock out next 502 00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.800 to the lake. Right, It's like, what the heck is she doing 503 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.440 out here? You know, what's this? What's this? What basically, 504 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:45.960 what is this lone white girl doing the native reserved right. So they take 505 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.920 the path, and the path apparently diverges from the shore of the lake for 506 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.159 a little bit and then comes back down to the shore of the lake, 507 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.039 right around the stone where this person was sitting. And they come out and 508 00:42:55.079 --> 00:43:04.039 they find this redheaded Caucasian and being sitting on a stone, you know, 509 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:09.960 apparently very contem contemplatively. But the bottom half of this person was a fish, 510 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.119 and when she spies them, she jumps into water and disappeared. Now, 511 00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:23.480 why would First Nations people see Caucasian mermaids? Yeah, that that was 512 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:28.480 the thing that puzzled me, you know, I mean, I suppose it's 513 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.159 possible that that they you know, that they picked these stories up, you 514 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:37.239 know, culturally from from the European settlers, and you know, it was 515 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.400 a thing. It was an eg revoire, you know, it's formed of 516 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.400 you know, a sort of a tulpa or fought form um. I suppose 517 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:52.639 that's possible, or maybe, you know, maybe the European mermaids followed their 518 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:57.119 people over uh, you know, because you can access a lot of the 519 00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.559 lakes in Canada from the seat, Yeah, in one way or the other. 520 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.440 You know, and then you can get into the river systems and you 521 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.760 can go anywhere you want. I mean there's a reason why, you know, 522 00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.119 birch bark canoes and so forth for so popular as transportation. It's in 523 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.519 Canada, they're like ATVs. Yeah, pretty much you can go just about 524 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.679 anywhere you want it. You know. What it reminds me of is um 525 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:25.840 the scene in Peter Pan which I believe he talks about mermaids with the different 526 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:30.199 color hair blonde, red, maybe a purple one or something. And guess 527 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:35.400 where J. M. Barry was from? Scotland, Scotland. Yeah, 528 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.199 yeah, yeah, I mean just a little could be a peg on the 529 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.840 corkboard you dover know, you know, I mean yeah, but Scotland is 530 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.880 like the capital of mr folks sidings, they still have them, you know. 531 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.559 Yeah, So it's not beyond the realm of possibility that you know, 532 00:44:54.880 --> 00:45:00.639 if the ferry from Europe, you know, followed their over here, then 533 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:06.159 maybe the murph folk did too. I mean, we don't know really what 534 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.320 the the idea for, you know, if the native people. I didn't 535 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:14.360 run across anything that said that the native people had any sort of an indigenous 536 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:19.840 water spirit, so I just thought that was really interesting. And both of 537 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.920 these sightings were of beings that appeared to be completely solid, you know, 538 00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.239 So it's like, yeah, I thought that I had encountered something physical and 539 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.960 I'm sure disturbed the water and things like you know when they jumps in the 540 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.519 water and splash us and all that kind of fun stuff. Well, you 541 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:42.880 mentioned it. There's such a great variety in this book, and you know, 542 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.280 we we barely scratched the surface. But I was wondering if there were 543 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:52.039 anything topic wise that you research that you found particularly fascinating or fun to research. 544 00:45:52.239 --> 00:46:00.480 Oh yeah, uh, you know, there's a lot of jokes about 545 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.480 you know, Canadians and beavers and stuff, you know, and moose and 546 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.079 that kind of thing. John Worms gives us some great stories. But we're 547 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.199 gonna I'm gonna back up for just a second. So Worms got interested in 548 00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:22.280 this phenomena of tunnels being found, particularly on First Nation's land, and there 549 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.719 are these mysterious tunnels or about you know, three feet or so why and 550 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:31.960 very smooth sided. It looked like like lava tubes basically. But there's there's 551 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.639 no volcanic activity in that area, in those areas at all, right, 552 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:40.360 So he got interested in when where these things come from. He's you know, 553 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.920 he talks to the geologists and he's doing all this stuff and he finally 554 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.400 he says to the native some of his native contacts, he says, what 555 00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:52.159 do you know about these tunnels? And they're very matter of factly tell him, 556 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:57.159 oh, well that's where the giant snakes live. And he's like what, 557 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.159 yeah, yeah, yeah, we have giants snakes up here. You 558 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:04.800 know, they tend to live close to the lakes. It's like, uh, 559 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:12.880 So he started collecting giant snake stories and there are just to back up 560 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:16.519 again, he talked to herpetologists, the people who do reptiles right, and 561 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:21.960 they told him there is no way that a snake over four or five feet 562 00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.559 long could survive in Canada. Just won't happen. It can't, can't happen, 563 00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.519 right, But he had these native people telling him. For instance, 564 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.639 he talked to two firefighters who were out you know, they do preventive fire 565 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.039 maintenance stuff, make firebreaks and stuff like that. They were doing a firebreak. 566 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:44.800 They are maintaining a firebreak, and they encountered a snake that stretched from 567 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.880 one end one side of the fire at break to the other so this thing 568 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:55.320 was well over twenty feet long. Now they were considering what to do, 569 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.360 and one of them was like, hey, we could take an axe and 570 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:00.440 cut this thing in half, and you know we'd probably be famous. You 571 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.800 know. The other one's like, no, no, no, no, 572 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.760 this is one of those mysteries the elders were telling us about. We're not 573 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.400 going to mess with this thing. Right, So the snake slithers on its 574 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.840 way and goes off. You know, there are stories of snakes in the 575 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.039 water that actually bump people's boats out of the way, and we're longer than 576 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.840 the boat. There's even a story of a snake that that popped its head 577 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.840 out of the water, you know, near another boat that had antlers. 578 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:35.280 So it's like there's all of these stories from all through the First Nations areas 579 00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.119 in Canada of these giant snakes we're talking about you know, we're not talking 580 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:44.639 a plus plus sized garter snake. We're talking about a snake that's twenty feet 581 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:49.440 or more long, some of them estimated at fifty feet. It's like the 582 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.239 Titana Boas stories that you get out of South America, right, So Warrems 583 00:48:53.320 --> 00:49:00.320 is like giant snakes. Okay, so he's collecting giant snake stories, but 584 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.840 he's still concerned about these tunnels and how big were the tunnels? Did he 585 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.000 mention that they were quite long? Um, he didn't give an exact dimension, 586 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:13.800 but they would go along for a considerable distance, so big enough to 587 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.280 house the giant snake in. Right. So he comes back to his native 588 00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:23.039 contacts. He says, Okay, snakes don't really burrow. They can sort 589 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.239 of shovel with their nose and stuff. Certain snakes can, but they kid, 590 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:30.800 they don't really burrow. He says, who dug the holes? You 591 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.679 know who dug the tunnels? Oh, well that was the giant beavers. 592 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.480 And again they're very matter of fact about this. It's like Native people are 593 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:44.320 very matter of fact about sasquatch. Right, It's like, oh, yeah, 594 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:45.639 they exist. So harry Man's out there in the forest. He does 595 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.880 this thing. We do our thing. We don't bother him. You know, 596 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.239 same thing there there are so worms is like giant beavers. It's like, 597 00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:58.039 oh yeah, we have these beavers that they're the size of bears and 598 00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.000 they're you know, people see them ember once in a while, and sometimes 599 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.280 you know, somebody who's out hunting will come across a beaver lodge that's the 600 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.119 size of a house. Um, and you know they live in there, 601 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.880 and you know they're giant beavers. So he starts collecting stories of giant beavers 602 00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:19.519 as well. And you know he not only did these things apparently exist on 603 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:22.880 you know, these native lands, but um, you know sometimes people will 604 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.760 encounter them. They could be a little aggressive. Yeah, there's at least 605 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.960 one story where a guy got out of the got out of the car. 606 00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.480 He thought he was going to go and he saw this beaver off in the 607 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:34.639 distance, right. He thought he was going to go and get some lunch. 608 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.119 And he comes out with a baseball bat and he's gonna go get this 609 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.679 beaver. And he realizes to get closer to this thing that is bigger than 610 00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.679 he is, and it chases it back to the car, you know, 611 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:52.519 shuffling along behind him, making weird beaver noises right, scarce the but Jesus 612 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:57.440 out of him. Right, there's a picture in strange creatures seldom seen. 613 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.079 Somebody apparently did a carving of one. Is the statue of one of these 614 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.599 things, and worms is standing next to it with his arm rap over the 615 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.679 shoulders. This giant beaver that's like, you know, the size of him. 616 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.360 You know, there's stories of you know, Native women out you know, 617 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.679 picking berries, which apparently is a really dangerous occupation because you know, 618 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:22.079 either you run into giant beavers or you run into sasquatch. Right there are 619 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:29.440 falling a snake ale out. So they're out picking berries and uh, they 620 00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.199 hear something in the bush and they expect a bear to come out, right 621 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.039 because it's black bear country. Oh it wasn't a bear. It was a 622 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.360 beaver the size of a bear. And it made its way off toward the 623 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:46.800 lake and splashed into the water and swum away. They're like, okay, 624 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.840 we just saw a giant beaver. Now. The interesting thing about this story 625 00:51:52.280 --> 00:52:01.519 is that there actually was a species of giant beaver called Castords Ohio insus that 626 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:08.079 lived in that area and a little south about ten thousand years ago. So 627 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:14.199 geologically speaking, dropping the bucket now, Canada is a place where you could 628 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:19.800 hide darn near anything. They actually Canada has its own Lazarus species, the 629 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:25.719 wood bison, which was declared extinct. This is literally the largest land animal 630 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:31.440 in North America right by weight, not hight by weight. Declared extinct in 631 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:37.679 the early nineteen hundreds and rediscovered you know, very much alive. Heard of 632 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.800 two hundred in nineteen fifty seven by an Alberta wildlife officer who was doing an 633 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.800 overflight of the air of an area and saw this herd of buffalo running beneath 634 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.960 it, you know, extinct animals. So they managed to hide, you 635 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:59.000 know, two thousand pound bison in the forest for decades. There's no telling 636 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:06.199 what's wonder right, It's not above the realm of possibility that there could actually 637 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:13.639 be a relict population of these Castoridi's giant beavers, right, Yeah, And 638 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.639 what makes it even more interesting is that worms actually saw one of these things. 639 00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:25.840 He had gone to investigate a giant beaver story and decided that he was 640 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.679 going to camp out along the river where this thing was seen. Right. 641 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.920 He didn't think that he was going to see anything really, right, He 642 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.559 just thought, you know, heck, it would be fun, you know, 643 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.440 I'm going to camp out along the river and see if anything happens. 644 00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:44.599 Right. Sure enough, he's sitting there, you know, doing his camping 645 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:50.280 thing, and this football sized head pops out of the water next to him, 646 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.079 and he says this thing was six or seven feet long without the tail. 647 00:53:53.559 --> 00:54:00.840 I mean it was huge, so giant beavers. That was probably my 648 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.480 favorite story in the book because it's just so it's so Canadian, right, 649 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:12.800 yeah, and more Canadian if these things were swimming around a maple syrup, 650 00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.440 I guess, yeah, absolutely, it was just it was just so very 651 00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:21.239 Canadian that I just I had to laugh, you know, as I was 652 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.880 reading some of these accounts. But obviously people are seeing these things, you 653 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.079 know, And I again, what people don't realize is that not only is 654 00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:37.000 Canada the second largest country in the world, but ninety some percent of the 655 00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.960 population of Canada lives within a hundred miles of the US border. So you 656 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:46.639 have vast swaths of wilderness that are almost completely untouched. You know, if 657 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:52.840 you want to go there, you have to to rent a plane with pontoons 658 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.480 and fly in and land on a lake because there's no there's no other way 659 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:04.760 to get there. And that kind of wilderness starts two hours from where I'm 660 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.920 sitting. Wild Um, so it's it's very very uh you know, in 661 00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:15.599 the brush here is dense. I mean, it's it's not like not like 662 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.519 walking in the forest of Arizona, for instance, where you have you know, 663 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.719 this pine needle bed, you know of the ponderosa pines and pine needle 664 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:28.920 bed, and there's these big spaces between the trees, right, there's undergrowth 665 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:34.159 everywhere in the growing season. It's very very dense, very thick, and 666 00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.800 you know, difficult to get through. Um. So you know, it's 667 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:43.920 kind of discourages people from going tramping around there unless there's a good trail to 668 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:49.920 follow, right, perfect though to hide. Oh yeah, these cryptids maybe 669 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.519 relict all kinds of stuff. And again to the listeners, it's it's there's 670 00:55:54.559 --> 00:56:00.199 such a dearth of topics that Travis covers in the book Cryptids. As we 671 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.280 mentioned just some of the mysteries, my favorite part, the forty Ana stuff 672 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:10.559 that you talk about, some of the phantom trains of ships, UFOs, 673 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:16.760 whole big sections on UFOs of Fairylore. Just I mean, we we've talked 674 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.159 for an hour now and barely scratch the surface. So I do encourage people 675 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:27.079 to check this out. It is something that, as you point out in 676 00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.800 the book, Travis, a lot of Americans don't aren't aren't very privy too, 677 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.199 because it's only Canadian writers that are writing about it. A lot of 678 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.119 that stuff doesn't get down here. To us. So this is um. 679 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:43.599 There's stuff that people are familiar with from the Shag Harbor incident. You mentioned 680 00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:47.400 Falcon Leake, which I've covered before, and the origins of the Old Mary 681 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:54.800 Celeste even but there's so many more things that people have I would bet never 682 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:59.400 heard of. So yeah, it's it's a great work that you've put together 683 00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.679 here, And I bet you could do several volumes if you really wanted to, 684 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.760 if I really wanted to. Oh yeah, you know, like I 685 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.599 said, I've got I have one project in the works right now. The 686 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:19.599 lore of Sasquatch is rife with stories, you know, that are told by 687 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:25.440 American authors, and so the only only place in Canada that exists for these 688 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:30.400 folks for the most part is British Columbia. And what I discovered very quickly 689 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:38.599 when I started doing research on Canadian strangeness was that I couldn't find I can't 690 00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:42.440 think right off the top of my head of a province that hasn't had a 691 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.920 sasquatch sighting. Yeah, maybe none of it, Maybe none of it up 692 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.440 in the Arctic area, unless you want to blame the Angie Cooney Lake disappearance 693 00:57:51.480 --> 00:58:00.159 on a never know. But so My next project is a book on Sasquatch 694 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:06.039 and the Sasquatching Canada beyond BC. Nice because again, um, you know, 695 00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:10.480 there's plenty of data. You know, there's plenty of citing information and 696 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:15.280 so forth, but there's not there's not much cognizance of it south of the 697 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:20.079 border. It's like it's almost like a lot of people in the United States 698 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.400 believe that, you know, once you cross the Canadian border, there's just 699 00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:28.119 this giant ice flow that stretches up to the art and you know, and 700 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:34.679 nobody lives up here, right Um, I apocryphal story, but I've been 701 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:39.360 told that, you know, Canadian border security has actually had people driving into 702 00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:45.440 Canada in the summertime with cross country skis on the top of their cars because 703 00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:51.239 they thought they would need them up here. Wow. Um, and not 704 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.280 not really. It's it's pretty warm here right now. So he's saying this 705 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:58.840 while sitting there in a sleeveless T shirt. By the way, Yeah, 706 00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:01.559 yeah, it is pretty warm to day. It's the twenty seven degrees celsius. 707 00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:06.199 So yeah, we think that comes out to about eighty four Fahrenheim, 708 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:09.800 which not as hot as some places in the US, but it's it's pretty 709 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:14.039 warm. It's up there, it's warm to us. Yeah, it's enough 710 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.840 for me too. Yeah, I had to move to the mountains. Yeah. 711 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:24.559 So it's very much the case that a lot of these stories, you 712 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:29.239 know, like I said the two, there's there's plenty of great hauntings up 713 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:32.480 here too. Yeah, that I'm probably am going to look at at some 714 00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:38.760 point as well. But it's very much the case that it's understandable because there's 715 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:44.320 a ton of stuff in the United States to investigate, but there's also a 716 00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.960 ton of stuff up here to investigate, and I'm looking forward to getting my 717 00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.960 nose into some of that. Excellent, excellent, Well, I appreciate you 718 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.880 taking the time to come and talk with us again and tell everybody remind them 719 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.880 where to go pick up this book, where to find more of your work, 720 01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.880 including the other stuff we've talked about, Phantom Dogs, Mysteries in the 721 01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:07.159 Mist, things like that. So at this point I have three books in 722 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:12.960 print, nonfiction books in print, I should say, the Phantom Black Dogs, 723 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.639 Walker's a Liminal Way, Mysteries in the Mist, Missed Fogs and Clouds 724 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.199 in the Paranormal, and then this new one is Canadian Monsters and Mysteries. 725 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.400 All of them are available on Amazon. All of them are available as either 726 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:30.440 paperback or Kindle, and if you were a Kindle Unlimited subscriber, they are 727 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:35.639 available on Kindle Unlimited. If you want to interact with me, you know, 728 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.400 on a more personal level. I'm available on Facebook, Twitter, and 729 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:49.440 Instagram. That that that picture thing. I have WT Watson author page on 730 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:55.320 Facebook. I'm at Twitter at wt Watson two. And then the weird one 731 01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.400 is Instagram. It's an old handle of mine. It's Coreneers see you are 732 01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:05.960 you and I R sixty So you can find me in those places. And 733 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.360 I'm always happy to hear from people. I've actually had a couple of people 734 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:15.840 contact me with witness accounts. Oh nice. So that's always fun to have 735 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:22.360 a chance to talk to somebody who's seen something something interesting. So that's that's 736 01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.119 how to get hold of me. That's the easiest way to get hold of 737 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:28.679 me. I highly encourage people to do so and check out all these books. 738 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.239 It's it's just a good time. Always fun to talk to you, 739 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:35.440 Travis. Thanks again for coming on Blurry Photos. Well, thanks so much 740 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.639 for having me. Thanks once again to Travis for stopping by. I'll have 741 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:43.920 links to where to find the book in the show notes. Thanks for listening 742 01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.679 to this episode of Blurry Photos. I have been David, the giant beaver. 743 01:01:47.159 --> 01:02:07.079 Flora don't stop blur even