WEBVTT 1 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:34.799 Come back to you, raised by a giant time writer, Lee, and 2 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:39.840 tonight we have an amazing interview for you, guys. I kind of stopped 3 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:44.880 doing interviews like this, but the opportunity came a knocking. And whom I 4 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:49.399 did two deny the universe right when such an amazing author is going to be 5 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:55.439 on your show. So tonight we have author Marine Sieberg. Her column in 6 00:00:55.679 --> 00:01:00.799 Psychology Today was the first to report on the groundbreaking development surrounding hour. Since 7 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:04.359 she's a contributor to The New York Times, National Geographic, Huffington Post, 8 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:11.640 ESPN, the magazine Vogue, and many other outlets. She's appeared on CNN, 9 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:15.879 MPR, OPRAH Radio, MSNBC, and PBS. She lives in New 10 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.760 York City and her most recent book is Fearfully and Wonderfully Made the Astonishing News 11 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:26.799 Science of the Senses and will be available wherever books are sold on August eighth, 12 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.599 twenty twenty three. How's it one mine, Good to see you very 13 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:36.959 well, Thank you so much for this opportunity, and hello to your amazing 14 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:42.519 audience too. Thank you, Jess. I'm very excited too, and looking 15 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.239 forward to diving into consciousness and extra century perception with you here today, So 16 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.159 where I want to start is kind of jumped to the end of your book 17 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.760 here because in chapter thirteen of your book you say that the future is not 18 00:01:56.920 --> 00:02:02.640 about robots, it's about us and achieving our human potential, which I absolutely 19 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:09.159 agree. But it really seems like something or someone is wanting to take a 20 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:16.159 shortcut route right and merge humans with synthetic AI robots, because I think it's 21 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:24.039 quite possible that someone is absolutely terrified of our human potential, right of our 22 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.360 natural abilities that each and every one of us have, and in order to 23 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:35.120 not let those abilities develop naturally and organically, they're going to introduce a human 24 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:39.000 robot augmentation so that we can be controlled, so that it can be controlled. 25 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:45.039 What's your thoughts on that, Well, I'm not aware of any plans, 26 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:53.319 but the extent that our sensory capabilities have recently been shown to be much 27 00:02:53.479 --> 00:03:00.000 greater than anyone had any idea would strike fear in the heart of anyone trying 28 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:08.080 to control humanity, because we are just exquisite human beings. One of my 29 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:17.159 mentors is a forty year mit anthropologist who just knows all the exceptional performers are 30 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:23.919 on the world, all the Chi Gong masters and the elite Lamas and everything, 31 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:30.840 and he says we are the finest technology on the planet. And this 32 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.280 is not a man who does not also know about a eye in robotics and 33 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:38.039 everything else. He says, absolutely not, no machine can match us. 34 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:46.199 We are soft tissue high technology. It's right here. What I was referring 35 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:53.159 to mostly was Elon Musk neural Lincoln plans, but his branch he just for 36 00:03:54.360 --> 00:04:03.080 human experimentation for his stripping plants. And I mean, Elon is visionary and 37 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:11.400 interesting in his way, but didn't he just heard a bunch of monkeys trying 38 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:16.240 to test all of this, So I'm not sure how he even managed approval 39 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:24.439 for human trials. Yeah, and something really interesting in your book as well, 40 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:29.879 as you kind of cover all of the human senses, right, the 41 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:35.800 importance of human senses, and that everything that's been attributed to the animal kingdom, 42 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:45.639 we also have within us humans. Humans outperformed dogs and rats and mice 43 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:54.160 and laboratories. In many instances. Humans can follow a scent trail on their 44 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.680 hands and knees like a hound. They've tested this, So, um, 45 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:09.000 it's really Victorian era myth that we are not animals and super predators among them. 46 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:14.120 We reign supreme over the animal kingdom. And I like to say, 47 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.279 if you don't believe me, read the headlines. But we're feral in all 48 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:24.639 the wrong ways. As far as I'm concerned, I agree. And the 49 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:30.199 first one that you cover is smell, right, And I think that's just 50 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:38.720 a very important superhuman ability, because I think that our ability is that ability 51 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:46.720 is very underutilized by humans, but it is underutilized. And I speak to 52 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:54.519 this really cool professor of sensory cognition, David House in the book you probably 53 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.959 remember him, and he says, you know, the nose has been kept 54 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:05.519 down too long. What is all this deodorizing and reodorizing we put our bodies 55 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:12.279 through? Isn't it peculiar? And he notes that all the perfumes are really 56 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:17.959 floral, except for something like opium, and they don't move the parameters much. 57 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:27.519 And it's even as there's a sensory renaissance going on in research and even 58 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:39.839 in business, there's this homogenization that's at work too, So it's really you 59 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.399 know, they used to think we could smell ten thousand things, which is 60 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:46.519 a lot I don't I don't even know if I can name ten thousand things, 61 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:54.839 but recent studies prove it's a trillion. And smell olfaction is so tied 62 00:06:54.920 --> 00:07:00.879 to memory it goes straight to our memory banks. That's why Rust wrote of 63 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:09.360 the madaline and his aunt eating a madeleine. Could he book memories of Sundays 64 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:15.480 with his aunt? It just turns the memories right on. So gas smell 65 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:23.759 is incredible. And I think you remember the woman I spoke with named Joy 66 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:29.680 Milne in the book. She's a super smeller. She's a retired Scottish nurse 67 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:39.639 and grandmother and she smelled her husband's body order change and this was six years 68 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:46.480 before he developed Parkinson's disease. And at first she thought, well, he's 69 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:53.399 sweating because he works really long hours as an anesthesiologist, but freshly showered he 70 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:58.839 smelled bad. So she finally convinced researchers to take a look at it. 71 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:07.800 And sure enough, she's a super smeller, and they with researchers, she 72 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:13.920 isolated the molecules in the sea bum on your back, in the back of 73 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.680 your neck and running down, which is a really telling area for illness apparently, 74 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:26.720 and now they know the molecular biomarkers for Parkinson's and they can identify it 75 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:33.840 as soon as ten years, as many as ten years earlier than before, 76 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.360 which is not a cure, of course, but it means that doctors can 77 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:45.399 intervene early and provide really good supportive care and keep an eye on such folks. 78 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.720 And she's also working on cancer detection, tuberculosis detection, and COVID. 79 00:08:52.200 --> 00:09:01.240 She can smell COVID, so you know, in another scenario, in less 80 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:13.919 enlightened circles, it would be about artificial means of doing this or something mechanical. 81 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:20.240 But it's just a woman who loved her husband who noticed he had changed. 82 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:26.200 What's more beautiful than that, that's nature And now she's helping a lot 83 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:33.440 of people. Yeah, I feel like the emphasis isn't put on human beings 84 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.720 enough, like people have you know, you always hear the stories of like 85 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.600 dogs doing that for humans, like acting really strange around them and sniffing out 86 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.840 cancer before the cancer actually develops. Something apead owner goes to the hospital and 87 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.200 realize that they have a really bad illness. Yeah, which is not to 88 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:01.200 put down our loyal companions, right, I know you don't mean it that 89 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.600 way, but first, well, there is a reason and I'll say it 90 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:15.039 now. The reason we became separated, compartmentalized from the rest of nature was 91 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:22.960 that in the nineteenth century a scientist named Paul broke Up came had a theory 92 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:28.600 that humans had really small old factory bulbs, and we don't in absolute terms, 93 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.759 meaning compared to the size of our body, their law as large or 94 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:41.679 larger than dogs and other animals. But he popularized this erroneous idea, and 95 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:50.480 even Sigmund Freud got behind him. Insert Joe Kier. So all this uptight 96 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:56.480 Victorian era stuff was the context, and like, oh, no, you 97 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:03.120 can't be animalistic, you're human. You're something separate, something special, something 98 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:11.440 not as base, and in fact we are just animals in the end. 99 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.600 Yes, And I thought it was interesting that you brought up earlier a smell 100 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.840 of like memory, right, because I know that everyone is listening. I 101 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.399 know for sure that you have smelled something that triggers you back to like your 102 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.360 child. Huh. I'll get that instance all the time, Like I'll be 103 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.039 walking through the store, the grocery store, and I'll get a whiff of 104 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.759 something and then automatically I'm back to like seven or eight years old. Yeah, 105 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:48.639 something mom or Grandma made right, or Dad, It's astonishing how instant 106 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:56.080 it is. It just transports you. And so in that in that chapter, 107 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.720 that first chapter you've referenced about smell, what I'm really trying to show 108 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:07.480 is that these are myths, that we are not powerful, that we are 109 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:16.080 not capable, that we do not have instincts and validate things like you just 110 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.480 said, now that you've personally experienced it, and we need to start a 111 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:28.440 conversation about our senses and these impressions. So I moved from joy Milne in 112 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.879 that chapter, the wonderful woman who's helping with Parkinson's and other things, to 113 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:41.000 a mom of four named Carrie Barcombe in Pennsylvania. She's a phenomenal painter, 114 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:48.120 and one of her friends noticed that she smells a lot of things Carrie does, 115 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.879 and she told her about Joy Milne, the grandma helping with Parkinson's, 116 00:12:52.960 --> 00:13:00.960 and Carrie just flashed back through her whole life and realized, Ah, yes, 117 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.759 I smell something sour when my children are getting stomach viruses. I smell 118 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:11.960 burning in my mouth when I'm getting a cavity, etc. And I say, 119 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:18.559 please think of me the author as the friend who tells Carrie I believe 120 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:26.720 you. This is true, This is possible. Have you ran into anybody 121 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:35.600 that has all of these exture sensory perceptions are like full tilt, Like their 122 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:41.320 vision is amazing, their curing is amazing, their smell is amazing. In 123 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:50.759 their taste, I actually haven't run into someone with all five senses on that 124 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.840 level, but often smell and taste go together. And I'm sure that makes 125 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:01.200 sense to you. So I interview a couple of Somalias the book, and 126 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:07.440 they are super smellers and super tasters. But one thing everyone seems to have 127 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.759 in common among people with great senses is they are sinnisthats. There are people 128 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:22.720 who have bonus sensory impressions for their traditional senses. So, for example, 129 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:28.320 I'm a sinnisthat. If I see five on the front page of the New 130 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:33.600 York Times, the numeral, it's black on a beige background, but it's 131 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:41.080 also navy blue. And I happen to have tetrachromacy or supercolor vision. We've 132 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:46.759 been led to believe that we always see a certain percentage of the light spectrum. 133 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.120 And in your book, and you just mentioned that you have a extra 134 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:58.360 sensory color perception. Yeah, I have four. I have a mutation in 135 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:05.679 my eyes and I have four cone classes for color perception instead of three, 136 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:15.960 so I see like a bird and just this massive spectrum. And that manifests 137 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.240 in interesting ways because my whole life was like the what color is the dress? 138 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:26.840 Internet flame war. I never agree with people about what color things are, 139 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:35.120 so it was this theme my entire life until And it's very symbolic too, 140 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:41.039 I think, because the testing for this was only available recently, right, 141 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:48.080 and I recognized myself in a podcast on Radio Lab that interviewed another woman 142 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.799 with it. It's very rare, but we're finally coming into this sensory renaissance 143 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.679 and it's possible to get tested for such things. And I wonder how many 144 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.960 more are out there, you know, not only vision, but all the 145 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:12.960 senses, but who either don't get the validation they need right or they or 146 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:19.320 it might not be rising to conscious awareness, or it's dismissed somehow. But 147 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:26.440 I think people, as Marvin Gay said, we're all sensitive people. And 148 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:36.639 I think just starting the conversation is going to make people aware what's going on 149 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.879 in their own bodies because we don't really talk about it that much. Now, 150 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.960 do you think that there. You have a whole chapter in your book 151 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:56.279 pertaining to consciousness. Do you think that there are extrasensory consciousness that you can 152 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:03.600 like remote viewing? Right, I'm sure you're familiar. What's your thoughts and 153 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.559 theories on remote viewing? Well? I, in fact, I'm speaking at 154 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:18.039 the International Remote Viewing Association event next month in Charlottesville. I'm fascinated by all 155 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.400 of that. I know it's real. I've seen it demonstrated, I've tried 156 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:32.400 it myself, and I believe that's the frontier. So the question is are 157 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:37.079 our senses so powerful? Right? So what are we talking about here? 158 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:44.240 We can see light at the level of a single photon, smell a trillion 159 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:49.160 things we've talked about. We can hear sounds with amplitude smaller than an atom, 160 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:55.759 and hearing is our most wide ranging sense too. Twenty hurts up to 161 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.160 twenty thousand. We have a new set of not new, but discovered set 162 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.960 of taste buds for fresh water sounds like a good idea mother nature, right 163 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:12.359 and out at out At the University of California, they gave people two pieces 164 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:18.680 of silicon smooth silicon only, except on one they bound an extra layer of 165 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:26.119 molecules to it. People can feel that with their bare fingertips. So these 166 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:37.839 are the newly adjusted traditional sensory potentials which go into the quantum and proven in 167 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:45.160 laboratories. So I think it should give more credence and more interest to remote 168 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:51.720 sensing, which for those I doubt there's a single person in your audience who 169 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.839 doesn't know this, but in case, a person who would not have to 170 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:04.000 be in the same location as the stimulus or even necessarily the same era of 171 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:14.680 time. And if our traditional senses are operating on this minuscule and quantum in 172 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:22.720 many cases scales, why not. I have a very open mind about such 173 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:29.599 things, and I've also been privileged to see it demonstrated and really mind blowing 174 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:34.920 ways. There's an argument that is well not really an argument, but a 175 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:41.359 discrepancy within the remote viewing community. But a lot of people have different thoughts 176 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:45.960 and ideas about how it works. Some people think that it's a separation of 177 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:49.400 consciousness, that your consciousness is separating from your body and that's how you're able 178 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:55.599 to remote view and see things that are not even close to where you are 179 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:00.640 in your immediate vicinity. And other people think that it's within you that you're 180 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:07.119 going into such a deep self hypnosis or a deep meditative state that you're actually 181 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:15.000 seeing the things outside of yourself within yourself. How do you think remote viewing 182 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:25.240 actually works? I am not sure which is the thesis I would lean toward. 183 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:30.079 I'd love to learn more about the two points of view. But if 184 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:36.480 you ask the way I think it works, I prefer the term remote sensing 185 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.680 because in my own experience and those of people I've interviewed, it's never just 186 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:48.039 the third eye. Someone might feel a change of temperature on their arm, 187 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:55.799 smell something, tastes something, pardon me, hear something, So it's all 188 00:20:55.839 --> 00:21:02.039 the Claire's right, it's clairvoyance, clair audience, all of it. So 189 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:08.119 I think if I were to give a definition of any sort of it, 190 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:14.519 I would insist on saying it's remote sensing, and people need to use their 191 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:22.240 entire bodies, because it's not just visual. And could it be some sort 192 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:30.759 of loosening of the etheric body or some sort of thing where like an NDE 193 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:40.119 or an obe where people have awareness outside of their own immediate environment. Perhaps. 194 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:45.640 I mean, I just hope this all gets researched more and more and 195 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:51.279 more, because I think I think the mind is the true spaceship, going 196 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:57.319 back to Elon and his death march to Mars, right, I think that 197 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:06.640 it's all about developing our minds. I think so too. I agree with 198 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:11.519 that, And I think the space is the space and our behind our eyes 199 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.200 and in front of our ears, right, and that is the space that 200 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:21.160 needs to be explored. But to your thought and your idea about indies and 201 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.200 out of body experiences, that's a common thread that I've seen with a lot 202 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:33.000 of these remote viewers, especially the most prolific remote viewers of our time, 203 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.160 like Ingo Swan. He always talked about whenever he was younger, he would 204 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:42.599 always constantly have these out of body experiences like death experiences, right, And 205 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:48.079 that's a common thing that I've found within researching this and talking to a lot 206 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:55.400 of the remote viewers that were from the official the IA Army Intelligence Remote Viewing 207 00:22:55.400 --> 00:23:00.279 program, was a lot of them had near death experiences or a lot of 208 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.240 them had out of body experiences whenever they were younger. So I think that 209 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.960 there's a connection there between and a lot of people will refute this. A 210 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.400 lot of the people, the researchers of remote viewing that I've had on my 211 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:18.319 show. They refute that idea that somehow the out of body experience or near 212 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.799 death experience was a trigger for them unlocking that ability. They all say, 213 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:25.279 no, it's not connected at all, But I think that it is. 214 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:29.880 I think that it's a jump start for them to unlock that potential within them. 215 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.519 I think that everyone has the potential to be able to remove you and 216 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:42.880 have these extrasensory perceptions, but it takes some kind of trauma or some sort 217 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:48.799 of out of body experience that might be induced by trauma like Ingo Swan being 218 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.759 bullied because he was gay whenever he was younger, and that induces this out 219 00:23:52.759 --> 00:24:00.160 of body experience, and somehow that out of body experience unlocks the potential to 220 00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:06.880 have these extrasensory perception abilities. It may be the case. I haven't really 221 00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:15.359 delved into that research, but I think it's quite possible. And another aspect 222 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:22.920 of that, which is related to NDEs OBEs is I've interviewed Ed May several 223 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:27.119 times, the former head of Stargate, and Joe mcmonagle his top viewer, 224 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:34.440 a top sensor, and they tell me the top people in that program, 225 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:41.599 including Joe, were sinnisthemes. They were all people who had this hyper connected 226 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:49.799 brain with extra bonus senses, seeing color when listening to music, seeing color 227 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:56.880 when they read or look at numbers. So there's ed is in fact still 228 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:03.599 working on a model about out this. But it may have something to do 229 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:11.799 with the hyperconnectivity of sinnisthets minds because we're all born cinisthetes according to research, 230 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.920 but at four months a pruning goes on of the neurons in the brain. 231 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:22.319 For most people and cinnisthetes, the pruning never happens. So just like a 232 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.880 baby is a sponge and takes everything, everything, everything in, I think 233 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:33.839 that might have a factor, may play a factor. And to bring back 234 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:45.640 in your nd ob fascinating theory. Many cinnisthetes have OBEs and many people who 235 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:52.319 have NDEs come back as cynisthetes. And we're never synisthats before. And I 236 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.440 would like to point to the work of pmh at Water about all of that. 237 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:03.400 She's done incredible work logging all the cases. And one other thing Joe 238 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:11.079 mcmonagall told me, he said, synesthtates are the shamans. They're the shamans 239 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.200 of viewer and we you know, we don't have a context for it in 240 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:25.000 most modern circles now, right unfortunately, But that's who they were through history. 241 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:30.519 There's actually this document that I wanted to show because I've been telling people 242 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.279 about this document forever now and this is a good opportunity to show it. 243 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:40.839 And it's the Syndicate Document. This is a Syndicate document which was an SRI 244 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:45.960 document in seventy three, and people this is a very difficult document to get 245 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:51.079 ahold of. Some people have never even seen it, let alone have access 246 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:56.640 to it. And Syndicate was an SRI program that was funded by the CIA. 247 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:04.079 And this goes into Ingo Swan and Pat Price's remote viewings of this base 248 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:11.440 that they found that base in West Virginia, right that that pretty much put 249 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:18.400 remote viewing on the map. And this is Ingo Swan's depiction and drawing of 250 00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:25.440 that military base in West Virginia. But the fascinating part was after they gave 251 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.519 it to Pat Price, and then Pat Price came up with a very detailed, 252 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:36.440 much more detailed which is here. And he's describing here the weather that 253 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:41.160 it's cloudy, that it's rainy, that the temperature and the altitude and all 254 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:48.480 of this stuff and then how put Off gives it to him again, and 255 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:56.079 then he describes to try and get classified information. He gets the names of 256 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:02.119 the facility that was there. He said that it sounded like what it seemed 257 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.039 like, hay fork or haystack. And then he saw these, uh these 258 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:14.519 papers on a desk that said fly trap and I can't mine run. The 259 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.400 texas really small, it's difficult for me to read it. And then he 260 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:22.559 got the operation of the facility, which went under code names, which was 261 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:27.480 revolved around pool, which was q ball, fourteen ball, four ball, 262 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.400 eight ball, and rack up. And he also got the names of the 263 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:37.240 generals that was at this top secret military base that absolutely in the world even 264 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:45.839 knew about. So that's how amazing remote viewing is and how amazing and reading 265 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:52.519 through all these documents, like I have all of the government remote viewing documents, 266 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:57.559 the sun Streak documents, Girl Flamed documents, Syndicate documents, Stargate documents. 267 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:03.160 I've read through all of them. People that don't necessarily believe in this 268 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.000 type of ability, I tell them, while the government shure believed in it 269 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.640 program, right, did it go black? I don't know, you know, 270 00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:22.680 they closed stargate, But there's no shortage of remote sensors getting trained in 271 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:30.200 America on an ongoing basis. And if it's not the government, it's Wall 272 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:37.839 Street, right, it's um business everywhere. A lot of people are highly 273 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:45.720 paid remote sensors. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's at right. So 274 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:52.200 this is the frontier. It's really interesting. So do you think kids are 275 00:29:52.559 --> 00:30:06.480 more like susceptible to these abilities such as extrasensory taste, extrasensory smell, extrasensory 276 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:11.640 hearing, and envision and touch. Do you think that they're more adaptive to 277 00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:18.119 that kind of ability? And then it kind of gets dumbed down in a 278 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.880 certain way or pushed to the background as they get older through social norms and 279 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.400 things like that. They don't talk about it, so therefore doesn't develop. 280 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:33.279 As you're absolutely right. I think we are born perfect, even people with 281 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:44.680 challenges have many corners of perfection in their sensori and other cultures besides the West, 282 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:48.160 excuse me, besides the United States. I shouldn't say the West, 283 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:57.519 because in France they train children beautifully in the senses from a very young age. 284 00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:07.519 So it's about opening up. But the senses are also plastic. So 285 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.480 even if we didn't get a good sensory education as children, we can do 286 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:18.920 so as adults. So an adult can necessary it, could be trained to 287 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:25.160 pick up on things they normally wouldn't realize. That's what you're saying. Yes, 288 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.839 Yes, I give the example of a scientist who worked in the Monnell 289 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:37.200 Center in Philadelphia, and he volunteered to work with a really unpleasant solution because 290 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:44.960 he literally could not genetically smell it. Half of humans can't. And after 291 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:53.039 several weeks exposure, he too began to smell the chemicals. So it's about 292 00:31:53.079 --> 00:32:01.680 exposure in a big way. It's about aware, it's about practice. Joey 293 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:10.519 Milne, who can smell covid and cancer and tuberculosis and Parkinson's told me smell 294 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:21.279 everything twice at least when you smell it an aroma inhale it twice, and 295 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:27.799 she talks about how that aids your memory of it and your ability to smell 296 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.720 it and recall it and identify it. Do you have any opinions, I 297 00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:40.359 suppose on the UFO and extraterrestrial phenomenon in is there any connections here between your 298 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:50.319 research and anything to do with extraterrestrials or UFOs. I didn't get into it 299 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.319 in this book because there was just so much not because I don't believe it's 300 00:32:54.359 --> 00:33:00.799 a valient topic, but it's interesting because my editor asked me about ufology at 301 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.400 one point over lunch, and my response to her is my response to you, 302 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:13.559 I believe it's a type of sensing like any other. The experiencers are 303 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:19.839 usually sensitive people. And then when you look at Kick Green's research with the 304 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:27.759 caught a putamen and brainwaves, etc. There are physiological differences and experiencers, 305 00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:35.519 there are brainwave differences. So there's even DNA marker, right, They've found 306 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:43.599 a DNA marker. So I believe that's also a frontier of sensory awareness some 307 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:49.880 people. Even though look at Chris Bledsoe, for example, he knows when 308 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:54.319 they're coming in. It's not just that he experiences it, he predicts it. 309 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.079 So that that would be an amazing area for them to open up a 310 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:07.679 whole lot of research. More research they've begun. Yeah, that's that was 311 00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:13.199 kind of the thought on the tip of my tongue while reading your book, 312 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:17.639 and I was kind of not disappointed, but because the UFO phenomena and actually, 313 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.719 treshural phenomena is such a big topic right now in the space exactly, 314 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:30.519 And yeah, there was just so much to cover, but perhaps a future 315 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:36.480 work. It's a valid point. Race. George Orwell wrote in nineteen eighty 316 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:44.639 four that the party's chief goal was to make you not believe your own eyes 317 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:54.719 and ears chief goal. So the better we manage our own senses, the 318 00:34:54.800 --> 00:35:01.880 better off we are. And I'm not just talking about Orwellian scenarios. I 319 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:09.400 mean it's good for our survival. The first IQ tests were measurements of the 320 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:16.519 senses, not of cognitive ability other than that, but they discarded them because 321 00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:22.800 they couldn't predict academic achievement. And now that we're in a world where maybe 322 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.639 it's better idea to go to a trade school in terms of academic achievement, 323 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:36.039 or maybe it's better to be an entrepreneur or what have you. I think 324 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:44.480 with the emphasis moving away from traditional intelligence, perhaps we'll get to a place 325 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:53.239 where people like joy Milne who can smell disease are considered the geniuses. Yeah, 326 00:35:53.280 --> 00:36:00.559 there was a huge shift into testing and academically scoring bowl I mean, 327 00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:06.400 I don't even think in some states they even have any form of pe anymore 328 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.960 like there's not any movement. It's just like you're a prisoner in a classroom 329 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.239 for eight hours a day, every day thoughtful and as you know in the 330 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:21.199 book, I talk about how that dulls the senses. The EPA did a 331 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:30.920 study that determined Americans, and subsequent studies added Canadians and Europeans too. International 332 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:40.320 studies spend ninety percent of their lives indoors. And as I say in the 333 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:44.840 book, you know, we pitied the caged bird, the shelter dog, 334 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:50.880 the elephant in the circus, and and we do this to ourselves willfully. 335 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.960 What is that? It's it's it's I can't believe I'm out every day. 336 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.119 I'm a burder. Do you think that that's due to technology on the beach? 337 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.159 Pardon? Do you think that that's due to technology? There's technological adiment. 338 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.519 It could be. Yeah, we're all chained to our screens now and 339 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:20.360 our phones, and but I think it's also like, um, I don't 340 00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:30.719 know, it's quote unquote civilization, right, we built cities and we hidden 341 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:39.239 side, but it's not our nature as animals. It's interesting because whenever you 342 00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:45.280 go out and you walk around and you there seems to be a lack of 343 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.199 confidence within a lot of people. Right. They're always looking down, they're 344 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.199 never looking ahead, they're never looking up, They're never looking at the sky. 345 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.960 And I think that's the most fascinating part about nature, is the sky 346 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:06.480 and what we're in and what we're doing. They're very unaware of their surroundings 347 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:12.000 and what's going on in their reality. They're focused looking down, looking at 348 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.039 their phone, or looking at their feet as they walk instead of looking up. 349 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.039 I'm so happy to hear you say this because this is actually one of 350 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:28.039 the main parts of the conversation. I hope the book ignites how are we 351 00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.360 living? What are we doing? Is this why the environment is a mess 352 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.679 because we never go in the environment, so we don't care what happens outside. 353 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:46.559 Probably that's part of it. And you know my affection for birds through 354 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:52.320 my work as a photographer. I'm also a photographer. We've lost a third 355 00:38:52.360 --> 00:39:01.719 of them since the nineteen seventies due to environmental problems. So it can only 356 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:09.159 help us, it can only help all of creation to live more naturally and 357 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.119 out of doors more often and get in judge with our senses. Because, 358 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:22.159 in addition to the ninety percent of Westerners holding up inside. There's other research. 359 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:30.760 Researchers looked at indigenous hunter gatherers in Malaysia, tested their ability to smell, 360 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.480 tested their ability to name colors. They were much better at it than 361 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:45.159 the rest of us. So, yeah, I know it's hard to live 362 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.000 the hutway where we can all go find an island somewhere, But we certainly 363 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:53.800 can be out of doors more often than we are. Yeah, we can 364 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:58.039 take our shoes off and walking around in the grass with our bare feet. 365 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:05.639 I do that ground ourselves to the earth. Like it seems like that people 366 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:09.719 would rather, you know, these days, would rather film something on their 367 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:19.000 phone than actually experience or even help somebody that's in trouble. They would rather 368 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.519 film the fight or film someone instead of jumping in and breaking up. Or 369 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.079 they would rather film someone drowning in a pool than actually jump in and save 370 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:35.840 them. Yeah, there's some kind of disconnect that goes on where we can't 371 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:46.119 we can't separate fact from fiction. So I don't know. I don't think 372 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:54.360 it's the media necessarily driving that, although consumerism drives that right, and advertising 373 00:40:54.400 --> 00:41:00.119 in media has a lot to do with that. But this this idea that 374 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:07.559 we need to be inside, and not seeing the sun or the sky or 375 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:17.159 each other is kind of twisted. I'm a journalist and I'm not naive to 376 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:24.440 that. I think it's terribly naive not to think there are However, it's 377 00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:31.360 early, and I think this research came out all at once and kind of 378 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:42.880 surprised everyone, and I wanted to get out ahead of any anything negative associated 379 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:50.559 with this and raise people's awareness. So I'm very grateful for the opportunity to 380 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.559 publish with a major publisher and talk with thoughtful people like you about it, 381 00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.599 because I want people to know. I say in the book, it's like 382 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:07.639 finding out the oil painting your grandmother willed to you is an old master, 383 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:15.519 except you are the painting. You're much finer than you know. People are 384 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:23.960 magnificent, beyond measure. And then that brings in the question to have we 385 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:30.199 done this to ourselves? Right, because I think that people always want some 386 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:39.920 sort of outside force that's manipulating people and you know, making them do a 387 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.280 certain thing, when really that's our responsibility. You know, no one can 388 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.320 really tell us to take responsibility, which is not to say there isn't propaganda 389 00:42:52.360 --> 00:43:02.280 in the world, and there isn't there aren't efforts to control humanity, however, 390 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.519 Yeah, we need to step up and take responsibility for ourselves and work 391 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:14.239 on our own bodies and minds. You know, we're fortunate, you and 392 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:21.159 I we live in the Internet age. So much is available on podcasts like 393 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:30.719 yours and in all sorts of formats. So I really hope people get the 394 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.559 chance to do more with their senses. Yeah, I agree, absolutely, 395 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:45.440 and they can definitely pick up your book. Where is it going to It's 396 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:50.440 going to be released in August correct, August eighth, Tuesday, August eighth. 397 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:57.199 It's available for pre order down online on the McMillan website, which is 398 00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:01.000 the parent company to Saint Martin's Press, my publisher, on Amazon, on 399 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:08.480 all sorts of good websites. And I have a website for the book. 400 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:15.119 It's my name Maureen Sieberg dot com, and I welcome anyone to write me 401 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:21.960 there. I'd love to hear what people's experiences are with their own senses, 402 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:29.840 because I am sure they're incredibly varied and interesting, and I'd love to hear 403 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:37.400 from your viewers. Yes. Absolutely. The links to her website will be 404 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.119 in the description of this video. Thanks so much. For coming on and 405 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:46.119 speaking with me about this. I recommend my recommend her book that it will 406 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:51.239 be out and all guess so, can they get to that through your website 407 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.159 as well? Yes, absolutely the pre order preorder there's a pre ordered link 408 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.679 on the homepage. Awesome things, So much and thanks for everyone watching and 409 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.360 listening. Much love to everyone in the chat. 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