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my paranormal Closet, where the stories and magic take place. Today's guest is
Well Burst in science and a supernatural, demonology and history of the occult,
as well as theology in physics, among other things. She is an archbishop,
author and speaker, wife, mother, and a paranormal investigator. She
is a consultant for MGM Studios and has been featured in numerous documentaries and podcasts,
including The Attached on Amazon Prime, which has won seventeen international film making
awards. Please join me and welcoming Reverend Mother Christina Rake. Thank you very
much. I'm fascinated by all these topics and I'm curious as to how you
got so interested and involved with them all, Like, what's the difference between
the traditional Catholic Church and the international independent Catholic Church. Well, our group,
our movement. We're really a movement, and it's called the Independent Sacramental
Movement. And you know how Eastern Orthodox churches go all the way back to
the apostles, but they're not under the pope. We're the same. If
you trace us back, you can trace back all the ordinations and laying on
of hands back to an apostle. For myself, it would be Philip and
Bartholomew. However, because we're not under the jurisdiction of the pope, were
like those like the Greek Orthodox Church or the Anglican Church who broke away in
the eighteenth century. And so because we're not legally under the authority of Rome,
we can ordain women. We are inclusive of the LGBTQ community and actually
work for equal rights for them, and so we have that freedom to marry
the ancient religion with more open sensibilities. What I explain to people is I'm
theologically traditional but socially progressive as it should be. Yes, exactly, you
have some experience dealing with haunted attachments. Can you explain to my listeners exactly
what that means? Well, they think about it this way. We all
collect things. You can see behind me, I collect things. Things have
power, their history has power. Your mother's wedding ring has some kind of
power to it has this emotional attachment to it. And people, over time
using objects, sometimes our attachment to the object is so strong that in the
afterlife there's an actual signature to the attachment. I mean, as psychic mediums
call it telemetry, the the ability to read an object. And some objects,
over time get so imbued with either what we would call residue, spiritual
residue, or even curses or some kind of magical spell upon them, or
some kind of emotional codependence that the object itself becomes imbued with that, and
in order to remove that, we have to take the object and we have
to perform some kind of religious rite on it. For me, that would
be a Catholic blessing. Every blessing is literally theologically an exorcism. Every time
I bless holywater, it's an exorcism. Every time MY bless your house,
it's an exorcism because the process is to sort of push God in and pull
out any of the dusty residue. Some objects, their attachments are much more
difficult to deal with than others. Some I wouldn't even mess with my plan.
Don't burn them, bury them. For me, it's throw them in
water. It's sink them to the bottom. That's the best course of action
because they really shouldn't be touched otherwise. So suffice it to say, it's
probably common that they're more negative energies attachments to them than positive. I think
the negative ones get more pressed. Oh okay, you don't like your heirlooms
or your greatgrandmother's diary. Those have positive attached them. But those memories call
me in for those. I know from writing my books that the antique shops
in town in my county they specifically stage anything that they bring into their shops
because they've had experiences when they haven't done so where things have reacted in their
building or created energies they weren't really interested in participating in. So they made
it a habit of every time they picked up something that they would sage it
before they even sold this to somebody. I personally love antiques, I love
antiquing, I love collecting stuff, and I too stage them before I bring
them into my home. And if, for some strange coincidence, forgot to
do it and something happens in my house, then I've got a sage to
the whole house and do all that. But yeah, it's so important because
scientifically, if you think about a sort of energy locus, that focal point
of that object, if there's a soul that's hanging around, it'll stay with
that object and you wind up with the attachment. My next question, can
people have attachment? So you're saying that that's how people can have attachment happened
to them because they've brought in something that has been drawn to them in suddenly
that way. And I think it's important to distinguish an attachment from a possession.
An attachment in Judaism, a dibbic is an attachment. It's not a
demon. It's an attachment. It's a human soul that is sort of clinging
to you. And you can tell it's an attachment because it's sudden you come
home from the antique shop and you're like, I don't a cigarette. I've
never had a cigarette in my life. You know, you feel it immediately,
You feel this emotional presence around you. And it can come that way.
It can come from you going to a place where you and whatever spirit
is there have a connection, be like horseback riding, they let horseback riding,
and they can kind of see it in you, and so they follow
you. Because if a soul is earthbound, imagine being in a fever filled,
hazy, strange dream. They're completely unaware, but they're like, oh
and just kindactylieron and commonality. So I'm sure that there are obvious connections and
obvious signs when somebody has an attachment, but I'm sure that there are so
many people that go without even realizing they have an attaption. Or if you
notice a change in somebody that you're with. For example, if I notice
a change in somebody that is in my family and they were one way at
one point, and then all of a sudden, something happened and they were
totally this different person and they spew these things that you don't even know where
they're coming from. Could that mean that they have an attachment of some sort?
It could, And whenever there's a sudden personality change, I explained to
be because I study neuroscience, I'm like, go to a neurologist, because
lots of other biological things can cause that. But let's say you go and
there's no brain tumor, there's no damage there's no aneurysm, there's there's nothing,
no hormonal issues, there's no liver issues, issues caused dementia, so
there's there's none of that going on. That's the point at which she turned
to the spiritual. However, the spiritual remedy for an attachment is really easy,
so you can try that too. And but which is what what's the
remedy? Well, the remedy would be for someone who knows how to like
see, I'm a psychic medium. I don't prefer that term, but I
can see the attachment. I can see where it's sort of in the body.
It looks to me like a tick like thing. So I'll say the
person, I'll look at the picture and be like, you're having pain in
your neck because I can tell it's holding look at a photograph and oh that's
I gifts or are visual to connect, but they're auditory and visual, so
I can hear entire sentences and stuff. So I can look at the photo
and be like, you're having pain here here shit, and they're like,
how did you know that? I'm like that, don't seeing connected? And
then I pull it off. I use I use my spirituality, which I'm
grounded in my belief system, and I use that to pull it off.
It doesn't I don't want to say it doesn't matter. You have to choose
a spirituality, but you have to practice it for years and years and years
and years to be growled with faith that grand faith, right, and intention
are the entirety of spirituality. Yeah, so I will pull it off and
sort of call in help to send it on its way, to kind of
waken it to the fact that, yeah, you're dead, you place you
want to go to, let's send off there. And like the dibbic boxes,
that's a ritual in Judaism to pull a human attachment off of a person.
It's so amazing. Can you share a case or two with us?
I'll give it a name. Yeah. I had a family member who is
very gifted. Also, he got the family curses the right exactly. And
I don't recall what city he was. I believe it was DC on a
trip with college and he was in a museum of Crime, so I know
it was a big one. And they were walking down a hallway and they
passed by. They had John Wayne Gacy's clown outfit. They had implements of
torture and everything. And it was a particular hallway. He was with his
friend and he looked down the corner and he just saw something flipped past his
eye. He said, by the time he got to the top, he
felt like complete hopelessness, utter blackness, rage, and he couldn't shake it.
And so he texted me and he's like, height, I think something
grabbed me there. And I'm like, well, if anything was going to
grab you'd be there, and so I said, right now, take a
picture, texted to me, and he did, and I'm like, oh,
geez, I mean he had as close to a human demon figure as
you can get. And so I pulled it off of them and an hour
later he was fine and it never happened again. So that's how you know
it's an attachment. You're in a place where you could possibly get an attachment,
and boom, it's instantaneous. It's not the slow breakdown of a possession.
It's just like that. Here's another question for you. So you know
the Long Island medium, right, she goes out and she sees these people
and she's drawn to go to them. And this is what I do.
And would you like for me to share with you do you see these attachments
on people and go off to them and tap them on the shoulder and say,
okay, why I don't look unless you're asked to. My gift is
deliberately shut down since I was ordained and became a bishop. Not in the
sense that I can't use it, but when you have that connection to people,
I don't care how much you think you protect yourself, things can come
through that wire, just like oh you set it on and off that well
is what you're saying exactly. But I don't talk about no choice. I
actually had an interesting story that I can share later where someone else saw what
happens to me because I couldn't tell from my position outward. But I also
wouldn't do that. I just wouldn't because what she does irritates me because it's
emotion, you know, hijacking. You're going about your day and someone walks
up to you and says, oh, you know your father who died.
I don't know where that person is in their life and their psychology and their
spirituality, what they have to do with their day. I think that's a
horrible thing to do to a person, you know. Invitation, I said,
intention and will but invitation is another huge element to spirituality, and I
will not invade someone's psychological makeup right at their invitation. Interesting, huh okay,
I totally get the why you have why it shuts off and on because
of the position that you're in and you could have something negative try and attack
you. So you said it affects you and you don't even realize it,
and that somebody picked up on it and said it to you. They saw
yep. I was in a gallery reading and there were several very gifted pike
sitting in the back row, and we were in a haunted location and I
was able to pick up names of pets and everything, and everything was fine,
and then all of a sudden, I could not read these two women.
There was just it was like I was shot at someone. Yeah,
just completely block. And something told me to have them move up a row.
And when they moved up a row, I could read them like a
barrier. Well, there was a very very gifted gentleman in the back who
can see angels. He could just see them. He can see demons,
he could just describe them. And he came up to me afterwards, who
goes when you asked them to move up. I was just like, Wow,
she's good. And I laughed and I'm like, I don't know why
I couldn't read them, And he said, you didn't see it. I
was sitting in the back. The lights were on you. There was a
hallway at the third row, and this dark figure walked and stood there,
he said, And all of a sudden, these two huge beams of light
like columns shot down in front of you. And that's when you said you
couldn't read anybody past a third row. And I had no idea, but
it's happened since I was at a Satanic altar and it was an outdoor place,
and it's rumored to be Satanic, but we got a horrible EVP there
that proved it. And as we were walking up to this open space with
stones that you could have climbed over, something shoved me and said, don't
go, don't go in, and I didn't. I stayed in the perimeter
and we called an EVP with music and chanting and this horrific voice saying make
her leave, make the girl go. And it was the weekend after I'd
been ordained to the priesthood, and I was the only woman there. That's
wonderful to know that you had that protection. Thought, that's really wonderful.
The spirit guides of gills or however you would refer to that. Yes,
it's pretty heavy. But because as a leader, as an archbishop, I'm
in charge of all the other bishops, all the other priests, all the
parishes, all the deacons, all our orphanage and ken Yarre, our LGBTQ
rights group in Africa. I'm in charge of everything. So I'm under attack
because then everything will kind of fall to the wayside. So the gen is
extremely heavy, right, that doesn't mean if I'm stupid enough to walk into
that altar, something bad isn't going to happen, because you know, I
can say God is going to save me and jump in a shark tank.
Well, they're gonna bite me because I jumped into the shark tank. That
my invitation. So I had anything bad happened to you all the time unexplained
fires after I've been I was called in on a case I just consulted paranormal
investigator gave me a call, and then my usband and I go out to
the movies and we come home and my kids, who are older at the
time eighteen and sixteen are like, yeah, there was a fire out in
front of the garage. It burned one of the planters, and I went,
what cost the fire? Thankfully neighbors came over, got the kids.
I mean, nothing was heard. I said, what cost the fire?
And they're like, the cord out front it wasn't plugged in. Oh so,
by being on my way to a paranormal convention, a four wheelers tire
blew out and knocked me off the road. I've gotten stuck in elevators on
my way to teach it. Its all the time. Do you hear it
coming into your home? That's happened a couple of times. But I'm pretty
tightly sealed up right now. Not I don't just through me, but and
through my people's prayers and blessings and offering Nasa and I the eu grist in
the house. But I also have this wonderful shaman from Brooklyn, shaman trained
in Haiti in Tibet and with the Nava home, and he locks my house
down from a distance. He kind of comes in and sweeps and now I
know. But now I know who to go to if I need a shaman,
because I did have I did a presentation at a library probably about six
months ago. And this woman could have really used a shaman, And all
I could really tell her was, please look for an experienced shaman to help
you, because she was living in a haunted apartment and it was abusive and
really really bad situation. So to me, something like that's not something that
somebody simply a paranormal investigator could come in and rid her of. It's somebody
that really needs to know what they're doing to get rid of whatever that was
in her place. Exactly, Yes, what is by house healing? Is
it similar to cleansing houses of spirits? That's what he does remotely, right,
I'm in David and Glenn Farcas. He does that remotely, and I've
had cases that I've referred to him, and like me, he could take
a pick, needs to see the house or the person, and he can
remotely take care of things. He and I have worked on a couple of
cases together. I don't know if he's fully retired. I'll have to find
out. He kind of comes in and takes care of that, and then
my husband who's in it helps him with his computer, bard Barder with each
other exactly exactly, he's a very good friend of thirteen years now, so
I'm a lucky that's nice. Well, I saw you did a sermon which
explained why Paul said the devil rules the world through the power of the fear
of death. And I've heard this before and wondered exactly what was meant by
it. Hey explain, like, does it mean that people so fear death
that they will believe anything that's said to them that will keep them from dying,
or even do anything they can for the the sake of not dying.
Does that make sense? Yes, the fear of death. Theologically, in
Christianity Catholic Christianity, it's death that Jesus fought on the cross. When he
went into the tomb, he did what we call harrowed hell. He went
all the way down to all the dead, opened heaven, which is what
the Jewish people believed the Messiah would do, and brought them all up that
process of death descent, assent up into heaven, brought a human body up
to God. So death doesn't touch us anymore. However, we are so
afraid of death, and the theologically Jesus saved us from that death, that
death, the fear of death is what causes us to do bad things.
Not necessarily physical death, but wars fought over resources are about survival. Even
our trauma and childhood will trigger us to behave in horrible days because we fear
ego death. You know, our trauma reactions were to survive. Psychologically,
it's all about survival. It's all about getting through the pain and the blood
and the mud and the tears of life psychologically or physically. And that's what
causes us to react. When you have a near miss, someone almost hits
your car, your adrenaline pumps, you could have died, and there comes
row rage. Yeah, it's all embedded in our neuropsychiatry, in our bodies.
It's all part of what we would call in Christianity and Catholic Christianian way,
the fallen world. It's we're just stuck in this situation where we can't
see past our own end except through faith. Where we don't want to lose
the way in which we identify ourselves, whether it's our job, whether it's
our family, our kids. When we put our whole identity into something,
we have a tendency to grab it and hold on and do the wrong thing
to hold onto it. Jesus also said he who seeks to save his life
will lose it, but he who's willing to lose his life for my sake
will find eternity. And it wasn't about martyrdom. I mean, when you're
clinging to something, like someone insults my ability to be a bishop, well,
my reaction to that is one of fear of ego death. I'm afraid
of losing my identity. That's who I think I am. It's a death,
it's a psychological death. But if I'm like, it's not something I'm
particularly concerned about. I know who I am. I'm not worried about ego
death. I will remain who I am no matter what you think. Then
I've let go. I'm not clinging or attached to it. That attachment,
that clinging is really what causes so much of our pain in life. I'm
as very Buddhist principle. It's a principle cross all spiritualities. You can't hold
on so tightly that you're hurting everybody. You have to be able to let
go. As painful as letting go can be, very interesting. I've heard
it inferred that the paranormal and spirituality can be found throughout the Bible, and
I certainly can't argue the fact that the wise men were astrologers. So it
makes sense to me it always has. You wrote a book on the subject
God and the paranormal, Median's Ghosts in the Afterlife in the Bible. I'd
really love to discuss God and the paranormal and learn of other places in the
Bible where the paranormal is prevalente absolutely. I wrote that started as a thirty
page email because people would come from evangelical backgrounds, particularly Protestant backgrounds. In
Catholicism, that death of death we call it the death of death allowed us
to be one body with Christ. Correct, So Paul says, we are
one body in Christ. We are the mystical body of Christ. Every single
one of us is connected to Christ. Well, that means the dead and
the living we're one. So in Catholicism, of course the dead prey for
you, and of course you pray for those who are going through what we
call purgatory. It's not a third option. It's Heaven's mudroom. It's where
you go to get rid of all the resentments you might have for people you
might see in heaven. If it's where you go to purge ego. But
that way, okay, you go to purge ego. So we pray for
those people who are in that process. But if you're in purgatory, you're
just getting cleaned up for dinner. It's not do that have your really long
time. It's what you're saying. It is kind of it's eternity, so
there is no time. You could describe it as a million years. You
could describe it as a blink of an eye. And I actually, in
studying near death's life of your death experiences, I think the life review is
purgatory because you feel the consequences of your actions. When you screamed at someone,
you feel how they felt, you feel how they push that away.
So Catholics say purgatory is painful, Well, it's existential pain because you see
yourself for who you really are. Suddenly you feel all that that pain that
you cause on that other person or whatever it wasn't you can and you feel
the good. So the better you are, the more cautious you are,
it equals out. So we're all together. So for me, and going
all the way back to Jesus, Jesus talked about this prayer for the dead,
so did Paul. You talked about people who get baptized for the dead,
and this is all in scripture. What too many people do is they
pick up the Bible as if and they read it as if it were written
by some guy named Frank in Indiana near two thousand. It wasn't. It
was written by three dead cultures in four deadlight, which is two thousand years
to five thousand years ago. And if you don't understand what the Jewish people
in the time of Jesus believed the Messiah was supposed to do, you're gonna
miss everything. They believed that Siel the abode of the dead, which unfortunately,
in the King James is mistranslated as hell. It's not hell, it's
the place of the dead Shoul, which is Hebrew for to ask. Because
what is condemned in scripture as necromancy or mediumship is nothing of the kind.
What is condemned is what they call well, it's a form of witchcraft.
You would conjure the dead using blood. You would conjure them, trap them
and force them to tell you the future. That specific act is what's condemned
in scripture. They're kind of misunderstanding that because I always wondered what the church's
view was on that. I was born and raised a Catholic. I was
bored up to believe the Catholic Church frowned upon all of that. And that's
how I always kept myself, because I was afraid that I was going to
be shut down, and they did it. Unless you say you have the
gifts of the Holy Spirit, because there are so many stories of the saints
who saw debt people and prayed for them. There are stories of saints coming
back from the third century. Saint Polycarp, who studied under the apostle John,
who wrote the Gospel of John, was killed by lions. His followers
gathered up his bones because the body was important, they took it to a
sacred place, and while they were warning him, he appeared among them and
said, I'm with our award. I'm sorry, this isn't this is third
century. So we are talking in the early two hundreds a d. And
this is a document from the early two hundred SAD. And it was perfectly
normal as it should be appearances of saints or appearances of debt people. So
if you use the term mediumship, sometimes it implies the wide range, and
I think what the church is trying to frown upon are things that could league
people down the poor path. That's the Roman Catholic Church understand. So they
have a better to shut it out altogether than allow anything. Right. They
making astray without really knowing what they're getting themselves into. But that just seems
so it hurts people like ourselves, right, because those people become so strong
in their beliefs that if for one second they know about you, that's it.
You're under ridicule and constant condemnation. Really, I'm the bride of Satan.
I've heard it from people because I have these gifts. I've heard it
from people because I'm just a woman who plays church. As I've been told.
It's terrible. Oh, I mean the first fund to say that.
I always felt when I was a kid, those priests should have been allowed
to get married. I never understood. And when you go back in history,
they were. So how is it that all of a sudden they changed
this course of action over time, and you see how it's wrought with problems
because of them not allowing it to be so right, it's it's not the
way I think things should be. But power structures being what they are.
In order to protect yourself, you cut off the inner sanctums from prying eyes,
like female eyes, like married odd That's my theory. Anyway, I'm
always cautious about insulting people, but it is what it is. And I
think what the Church fails to understand, because honestly, the people who translate
the Bible, what are the odds that they know Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek
and Second Temple Judaism and the paranormal. What are the odds that those two
are together? So they translate conjuring, They translate the Hebrew word ghost wife
or ghost mistress as medium. Well, that's not what that was. It's
completely separate. In fact, the reason Shiol was called Shiol was because you
asked the dead the future. And in the second Book of Samuel, there
is a story from about King Saul called unfortunately the Witch of Endore in the
original of King James, now it's called the Medium of Endoor, but in
it he conjures up the ghost of the prophet Samuel, and and King Saul
asks it, am I going to lose the battle? Saul's name also means
to ask the Jewish people love the tongue in cheek stuff. And if you
don't know Hebrew, don't. Yeah, but that's where she all got its
name. Conjure and tell the future. Wow, oh boy, I'm sure
a lot of people out there don't have a clue. They have no clue.
Now you've got to ask us experts, but they very rarely find an
expert who knows all the different who Unfortunately, I was cursed to put together
things that really don't usually go together. So that's where I grab like science,
theology, paranormal politics, things that don't go together. I smashed together.
It's just the way my brain weren't saying nothing is a coincidence that you
meant to do that for a reason, I don't believe in who incidented,
so you were meant to make that connection and walk back those things. How
did you first realize you were psychic? You know, I never used the
word. I did not say, oh gee, I think I'm psychic until
like twenty ten. But I'd been able to do it my whole life and
my parents, who were not religious people. In fact, my father's family
is part of Cherokee nations, so it was there was more acceptance of spirituality.
My mother was a pre Vatican to Catholic and hated the church. So
I was just interesting, not raised in Huh, it's amazing that you found
God at all. Life was born with this. Ever since I was a
kid, I wanted the church. I was nine years old and I wrote
a twelve page dissertation about someone who died and what they went through. And
I don't know how I channeled the information, but I basically rewrote Dante going
through purgatory in Paradise. And I laugh at that, but that I was
borned. Wow. So as a young kid, I would just look at
someone and be like, well, I just had a flash of their funeral.
And then I have a very strong telepathic bent, so I know people
are thinking. And my parents used to be like, camere, are they
lying to me? Now? He figures of my husbands and politics, and
he takes me to parties and he's like, Camere, go stand over them,
tell me what you see. No beyond do you think you're a villainything?
The guard but the cord, let's say it's for the guide. Oh,
it caused me a secret weapon. I was always able to do it,
but not on command. It wasn't them saying it seemed like something I
could command. My childhood wasn't a fun one, so these senses were often
used as as sort of safety measures, like I'd be sitting in class and
go, oh, you know, Dad's home, which means he's drinking.
So from so, I would just that they were honed to a fine point
back yourself too exactly. So it wasn't until two thousand and nine I watched
a paranormal show and I looked at my husband and I'm like, I think
that's what I can do. I think I'm a psychic medium. I never
I never connected it. I'd been to psychic mediums I didn't and they would
tell me, you know, you're a really strong psychic medium. I'd be
like, stop, it's so stupid. No, I'm not, you know,
And I just never connected the two. And so I went to a
paranormal team and I said, I've never done this song command, but I
think it might be because I'd had so many experiences of They sat me down
and tested me with a bunch of strangers, and I mean it was scary.
Yeah. People were sobbing because it's names places, names of pets,
people I can just read. Yeah, so that was fun. I mean
I had one woman fall off her chair because she came to me and she's
like, I, no, no one. My husband with drew five thousand
dollars from the bank and hit it before he died of a heart attack,
and I can't find it. Why would he even do that? That makes
no sense. And I heard at a complete sentence and just copied. I
said I owed money to Big Pete and she fell back where she's like,
I knew that Big Pete he would be taken back. And I never met
the woman. It was at a conference where I was just doing rent reading.
I always say it's in God's time. I mean personally, I had
I could see spirit. When I was a kid, I lived in a
home that was haunted and I had premonitions to At twelve, I had a
very scary premonition would come to me in dreams and my mom really didn't think
anything of it. She would say, I was just a dream, just
dream. When I had this nightmare premonition and I told her, she said
it was just a nightmare, don't worry about it. And then when it
came true, I shut down because here is this twelve year old kid,
thinking I could have saved those two people. I could have done something.
So although throughout my life from twelve on until when I was thirty, I
always believed in this stuff. I was always drawn to it and wanted to
learn more about it, but as far as I was concerned, I wanted
nothing to do with it at any kind of gift. So I'm kind of
angry about that because I wish I had embraced it. But the day my
dad died when I was thirty, he came and he let me know he
was gone. He showed me walk into heaven, and so that was for
me, that was a blessing because I could share that beautiful story with the
members of the family and friends that were at a week. But more importantly,
it was at a rakening for me because it was like I almost feel
like he was showing me something about myself. And even even still, it
took from thirty to fifty when I realized what my purpose was and I figured
that there's got to be something for me to do, but I haven't figured
it out yet. But it took me until I was fifty to realize that
I had to utilize my writing to help spirit get their stories out and so
to me, that's in God's time. So when you realize that in that
year when that happened, that was when you needed to know it, when
it was better exactly, And it set me on the path of finding Having
been called to the priesthood so strongly and wrestled with I got elite because I
was a Protestant minister in seminary converted to Catholicism, but I wouldn't reconcile the
two. So it was through this paranormal thing that I found the independent sacraments
and could be could atch my vocation. And to be perfectly honest with you,
I know I'm New England. I'm supposed to be doing same. You
just know, and you just want to keep on growing with that and learning
more and different, for it is that you need to deal until it's your
time to leave. I totally agree. That's wonderful. God draws straight with
crooked lines. There you go. I think it's fascinating that you even delved
in all of these scientific experiments in the neurological and biological effects of spiritual gifts.
Can you tell us about them? I am a friend doctor Chuck Kennedy,
and he's a neuroscientist, and I was discussing with him when I was
in seminary. That was when my gifts slammed open. Because like you,
I'd shut them down and ignored them. They got scary. But one day
I was in a graveyard and all of a sudden, I could hear everybody
talking to me Halsovel, Philgrum graveyard and I was horrified, and I actually
had a friend drive me to the hospital because I thought I was having a
seizure. I had completely shut that down except for God. It was kind
of like, here's God's conduit. No one else can come in, and
my gifts just alive. I would touch someone's hand, I knew they died,
I knew what age. I saw everything that they had come back.
I mean, it was just scary. I saw dead people. I saw
what they looked like on the other side, tied to a chair, and
I found out a binding spell had been done on them, and it was
just getting crazy and I was terrified. So I went to a doctor.
It's a neuropsychiatrist at Harvard Medical and he was actually the professor of neuropsychiatry at
Harvard medical and he tested me for temporal little epilepsy. He did an experimental
test on me and he told me, I want you to use your gifts
because for me, I could control them. I'm like, I can control
this feeling, you understand, I can stop it, I can start it.
And he's like, well, that's interesting. All right, I'm gonna
tell you during the test when to do that. And after the test he
said, yeah, there's synchronicity. A sympathis not epileptic synchronicity. We don't
use ten percent of our brain. We only use about ten to fifteen percent
at a time, but we use our whole brain. What synchronicity is.
It means that several areas of the brain light up, including those they're not
quite sure what they do. So when I met with him, I'm like,
well, do I need medication? He said, And I will never
forget this. He's long since passed on. He said, what happens to
you, is it what's wrong with you? It's what's right with you.
And tell another psychiatrists because they'll well meaningly just medicate you out of your mind.
You met the right person, a y person he was. He's saying
because his wife was gifted. That's the only because he don't know. When
they either experience it with someone they love are themselves, that's almost like an
awakening for them and they realize there's something to this and then they have more
of an open mind. But when there are others are just shut down because
they're one track mine, then then you're screwed. And that started my entrances
because I had an extra blood vessel in the right temporal lobe, so there
was a symmetry and this thing. So when I met doctor Kennedy in twenty
ten, I started talking to him and I asked him, what do you
think about this? And we started discussing the possibility of testing mediumship and so
using an EEG. I was the first test subject and he's like, okay,
I want you to do something, do reading and stuff. And he
read because he can read the EEG that the area of the brain that would
mean I was thinking of an answer was shut down. The area of the
brain that would mean I'm imagining an answer or I'm lying were shut down when
this other tiny area that nobody knows what it does was lit up like a
Christmas tree. So he then tested over three hundred and fifty other psychic medium
but added to the process, I mean, there were personality test IQ tests.
But one of the big things that we found a lot of psychics get
headaches when they're doing something. They're exhausted, they feel run down if they're
doing back to back readings, but if they're diabetic, they feel great after
readings. Blood sugar plummets in ten minutes of a reading, lying flat,
all right, we become dehydrated and our blood sugar will plummet up to thirty
points. Thirty points. Now, there was a study in Harvard, because
your brain consumes most of your sugar, so there was a study say,
well, if we really use our brain power, will the blood sugar drop?
And they found that yes, it will. Students taking the SAT four
hours of intense concentration, they got a six point drop in ten minutes.
A psychic medium will drop thirty In ten minutes of prayer, I drop thirty
five. So it's not just psychic medium ship, it's that spirit connection.
And what does that tell us, Well, it tells us that when psychic
mediums are doing what they do, when spiritual practitioners are doing what they do,
their brain is doing something that it does not do for any other human
activity, and that for me is hard scientific evidence of something of its reality.
Because they're not thinking, they're not imagining, they're not lying, is
what they doing, right, And since then I've been devising other experiments.
I actually I have too many books to write in the church. I'm like
at sixty hours a week now with urchwork. But I'm working on a book
that kind of pulls the spirituality and the science together with physics and quantum cosmology
and neuroscience. I studied that stuff and try to put it all together and
theorize about it. So I'm about four chapter years into that. I may
have to be a serious ess. I'm like, no, I have to
write it all. Doubt it'll be a thousand pages. Christina, you need
to, yes, learn that people's minds will only go so far nowadays because
they're so loved with other things. So a book that's about two hundred and
thirty pages is just right. Yes, And they take it to book too,
because people don't have the time or the brain power energy because it's so
consumed by everything else. Yes, I've never known of your church's existence,
never, and I'm thrilled to hear that there is a Catholic presence out there
that does believe what I feel. I'm blacked for so many years in that
whole spectrum. I never knew it, so I'm thrilled to learn about it
for sure. Thank you. You teach a course in demonology, have you?
I mean you were talking about exercise being quanted attachments earlier, and I'm
curious to know if you've ever actually been witnessed to an actually human exorcism or
demon exorcism. I've done a couple. You're with you too. Never credit.
Oh my goodness. It is such a small percentage of my ministry that
if it comes up people request, I often refer it out because I'm more
of an academic. So if you're like, well, demonology, I'm like,
okay, Samerian, Acadian, Babylonian, Persian, Islamic, which demonology?
That's me. I have all that in my head. I've got thousands
of books behind me on those things, written throughout the ages, so I'm
usually called in to kind of consult on what's going on here. But when
I was younger, I watched a woman almost get possessed and I stopped it.
I stopped it, and I couldn't tell you how I knew what to
do. It was so scary. And it was while I was sort of
moving down this road towards all right, I've got these gifts, but oh
my god, I feel like I need to be grounded by the church.
So I was swaying with I want to be a minister. But for some
mos I was all over the place, and I didn't know how to bring
all of this together. There just seemed to be no way. Saint Michael
scared me into the Catholic church. But that night we were having a meditation
session at the Unitarian church I attended, where I preached ended ministry, and
that's when I realized I could see dead people again. It was after seminary,
so it was kind of coming back to me. And during this session
there was the same group of seven people. We would talk about spiritual items
that then they would put on music, they would like the candles. We
would just meditate, and I realized that, oh my god, I cannot
only see all these spirits in the room. I can make everybody else see
what I see. So I was performing little experiments on them. I would
run a horse around the circle and everybody afterwards would talk about what they saw
and there I saw this horse and they would describe it and everybody me too,
Oh that's so. And I'm sitting there going, oh my god,
what am I supposed to do with this? Is the nuts. There was
a woman there named Edie. I thought Evie had a speech impediment. Turned
out she was from Worcester, Massachusetts. It wasn't a speech impediments. And
yeah, well, after I went to Boston, I realized that she who
was something about her that bothered me so badly. And I when I meet
someone who has a demon and it's a rare occurrence, there is this rage
that bottles up inside of me. They described Jesus when he encountered death as
snorting in spirit. It's almost like this vomiting, and I just want to
attack them. I'm not that type of personlip so common, laid back.
So this was the first time that had happened, and I hated her,
and I can use the word hate like I wanted to claw her eyes out
and I didn't understand why. So one night we're doing meditation. I'm sitting
here amas over here in a chair and it's a back chair, so she's
got her hands here, and I look over and there are two dark figures,
and it was a figure I'd seen before. They weren't just black in
the sense of the color. They were sucking color into them, and there
was an oily quality to it. And these figures were amorphous. But one
had its hands on her shoulders, holding her down, and the other was
pushing its way into her cheek. Oh, how awful and creepy. And
I just again channeling Dante. I just seemed to know what to do,
probably one of the few Catholics you'll meet who believes in past lives and says
it's in the scriptures. But I knew what to do. And I don't
know how I knew what to do, but with all of my might,
I just threw light through me at her, and I started speaking in one
Swiss like and calling on Saint Michael and other saints I'd never even heard of.
And they eventually went away. They just kind of shut down. Everybody
turned the lights on, and Evie still doing this, and they're like,
Evie, what happened? And she sorry, My stomach lurches every time I
tell this story. She said, these beautiful angels wanted to enter me and
they had a message for you. And here's the funny part. I stood
up. I mean I shot up like a bolt, and I yelled,
I hate you. Literally did that to her and everybody. I was the
quiet one, I hate you. And she looked at me, and I
will never forget her turn of face. She just went but I really like
you, and everybody in the room defended me. Always gotta be his pet,
oh Evie, and I never went back. I went home with the
worst migraine. Didn't get migraines. I had a migraine so bad I couldn't
even breathe. You want to talk about blood sugar drops. I'm sure that
dropped a lot of blood sugar um and it scared the Bejesus out of me,
and I again shut off the gifts. It's like, don't ever want
to do that again. So yeah, that was that was what that was
all about. How would I have for me is a very rational, grounded
person at the time, very skeptic goals everything. I didn't even know what
to tell her. I mean, she ain't believing these liars or angels,
So how would I do that? I just know probably she probably wouldn't believe
it anyway, because you're believe in you see an angels, and I believe
I'm twenty. How could I possibly explain to this fifty year old woman for
me? And I was a different person then. I wasn't very outspoken,
and at that time, I was just like, no, no, I'm
wanting no part of this. I'm not going back. That was it.
Wow, Oh my goodness, that's crazy. Yeah, they knocked my front
teeth out. When I was like eight, I woke up on the top
bunk bed and I was floating because those things would come and attack me when
I was a kid. I get slapped, I get bitten, I get
hit And I woke up on my bunk bed and I'm right by the ceiling
and then I'm like, why do I feel weird? There's nothing you're levitating.
I was a footnext to the bunk and then something slammed me into my
dresser cut up my mouth. And I'm eight. So what do I do.
I do what any rational eight year old would do. I climb back
into bed and go to sleep and don't tell anybody. So I said,
well, so you're probably afraid they weren't going to believe you. My parents
might have, but it was just one of those things. I woke up
with blood coming down my face and I was just like, no, I'm
just gonna keep this one to myself. Oh my goodness, Well, why
don't you tell the audience how they can find you and your box? Please?
Oh thank you. You can find me really through the church website.
It's the best way American Old Catholic dot org and my emails on there.
You can contact me through that. Also you learn more about our ministries and
what we're doing. You can also find the book on Amazon if you just
search for my name Christina with a K and the last name Rake or Akae.
And by September, my first novel should be out and available too,
so we'll see how that goes. But those are the best ways to find
me. Good luck with that novel. I know what it's like to have
a deadline winds October, and I'm pushing it because now with two jobs and
two podcasts, I'm struggling to get in those interviews and the book written.
So I can't imagine how busy your life must be running a whole church and
all those different groups in mind. Goodness, but thank you so much for
sharing yourself with me today. I really really had a fun conversation with you
and intrigued by everything that we talked about. This is well. Thank you
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