WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:27.399 Mmmm. Hey, it's Tuesday, March the fifteenth, twenty sixteen, and 2 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:31.359 it is all hands on deck on this GDC edition of the Giant Bomb Cast. 3 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:33.560 I am bred shoemaker. I'm just gonna go around the horn here. 4 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:36.679 Jeff Durson is ear. I brought both my hands because the sides of march 5 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:39.039 put them on, put them on the deck. That's not how the song 6 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:41.840 goes. But all right, I'll put these hands under the table. Wait 7 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.799 what did you say? What you do with your hands is your business? 8 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.000 That's right, and your business this. You're lucky. Respect my personal space, 9 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.359 please no, Jason ay Striker left hand, check, right hand, 10 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.200 shack, Okay, both hands, yeah, functional, yep, ready to 11 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.119 fight so forth. Yeah, they're they're balled up. You're scandling personal space 12 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:59.479 at a premium in this room right now? Do you think so? I 13 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.759 actually crammed. We could get one more person in here. There's one more 14 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.079 mic at the table. I don't feel violated just yet getting there though, 15 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:07.879 Yeah, because Dan Rycherd is here. Hey, I'm cozy in here. 16 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.200 Yeah it's nice. I'm feeling good like the lighting. Yeah, yeah, 17 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.599 it's it's moody. Yeah, for sure. I've always liked this and then 18 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:19.040 straight out Japan, John Riccardi and Mark McDonald of eight four. We brought 19 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.000 kit cats, Yes you did. Yeah, there's a pile of rappers in 20 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.760 the middle of the table. What what what are you favoring us with today? 21 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.799 I heard wassabi isn't there? So rum raising think is one and uh 22 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.120 one and wasabi is the other. Yeah, I have actual rum in that. 23 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.200 As far as you know, there is a sackey. There are sacke 24 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.480 kit cats more recently, which which we haven't tried, but I haven't actually 25 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.000 how are they? I haven't tried to either of these. I was worried 26 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:46.640 about the wassabi one because I don't like was sabi. But it, like 27 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.000 Jeff said, it's more like white chocolate. I think I said that, 28 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.159 Oh you said that, Jeff said it. Actually there's a bit that you 29 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:55.239 can get there. It's a mild one. I got no was sabi tastes. 30 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.359 I got maybe something like a little tickle in the back. You're over 31 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.799 there like drinking energy drinks and like burning all the like skin off your tongue. 32 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.599 I don't have any skin left in my mouth. It's just yeah bone, 33 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.120 So I drink my energy drinks on the way in normally, so you 34 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.360 know what time for it to recover. So I brought one just in case. 35 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.719 I have your coffee. Now. It turns out coffee's pretty good, 36 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.280 no, I mean the coffee is a guy like, serves a purpose. 37 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.759 I wouldn't call it good. I do they the iced coffee, and I 38 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.400 put the half and half in there and the two of the sugars, and 39 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:23.599 it tastes great. I think it's really good. All right, I don't 40 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.560 do the hot one. You do, right, It's just say it's just 41 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.400 like chocolate. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, chocolate. It's like it's 42 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:32.400 like a bisabi kit cat tastes just like white chocolate. Yeah. Yeah, 43 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.159 but how was the room raising good? Too? Very good? I like 44 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.520 that. My favorite Japanese kit cat is the strawberry cheesecake. That's pretty good. 45 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:43.199 That one's really really good. That comes in like a blue mount Fuji 46 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.759 box. Yeah, it's a nice little does that stuff like? Is it 47 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.280 seasonal or because it feels seems like, you know, when when we were 48 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.599 going to Japan a lot, it seems like every time there would be different 49 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:53.879 flavors of kit cats and kind of come and go. Yeah, and you 50 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:55.439 would never see the same one twice. Yeah, banana or whatever. They 51 00:02:55.560 --> 00:03:00.479 kind of caught on too, So like you're talking about maybe like ten fifteen 52 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.599 years ago, is sure, Yeah, because two thousand and eight, I 53 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.039 guess actually was the last time we went okay, right, well, so 54 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.879 they something happened that ago. You're overdue. We can talk more about back 55 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.400 in the nine later. But but I mean, yeah, because I used 56 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.560 to go back when I was going for for Ziff and it was you know, 57 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:22.000 there would be a new flavor or two every once in a while a 58 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:25.319 year. But they caught on and now it's like a thing where every every 59 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.919 pre prefecture in Japan has their own like special kit Cat flavor, and you 60 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:35.560 know they turn over pretty pretty quick, but then they come back. Okay, 61 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.319 that makes sense. People twenty flavors that store. Now there's a kit 62 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.080 Cat store one of them somewhere that has like all of the flavors as well 63 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:46.159 as their own. You know, the people people travel to the other prefectures 64 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:50.479 to get the get the exclusive stuff and keep paying that. I'm sure somebody, 65 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.080 somebody, some people are just there a Pokemon center. Kit Cat can 66 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:58.360 I go on the side. What is actually probably has been what is? 67 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.240 What is? What does grninja taste? Like? Nobody wants to know? 68 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.520 Those are in box? Well two of them are, okay, German graninja 69 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:11.599 taste. The tasting of ebos is gimmick infringement. I can't get into I've 70 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.560 never tasted the sign. Oh my god, you just gave somebody an idea. 71 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.879 Now now edible, edible and ebos. It's all over. So yeah, 72 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:23.639 the Game Developers Conference isn't town. It is and that's with it. 73 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.800 Yeah, what's what's going on? What do you guys got happening? What 74 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.639 are you what are you expecting on this week? Uh? Lots of VR 75 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:35.199 stuff for one thing? Vs. The theme right for the season this year. 76 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:39.040 I feel like, yeah, because we were on almost one year ago 77 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.720 here, you guys had us on then as well, and I remember talking 78 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.600 about like, oh yeah, VR is is going to be the thing, 79 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:48.879 and I think it was last year, but I think it was more you 80 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:53.360 know, theoretical still at that point, and I think this year is really 81 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:58.000 like, Okay, what games are coming out this month? You know what 82 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.800 games are coming out next month? Like two weeks right at this point, 83 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.000 right on the cusp of this hardware coming out, which seals ste still seems 84 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.279 I don't know how it feels to you, guys. It still seems crazy 85 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.920 to me. It doesn't feel like a hardware launch. It feels like it's 86 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.480 happening all at once, like official like launch line ups out there, Like 87 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:15.199 can you see a list of this stuff? Because I don't even know what 88 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:17.720 there hasn't been, because I know, like there hasn't been like Lucky's Tail. 89 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.600 I think I've heard, yeah, that's a launch game. Draft will 90 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.480 be a launch game for Oculus, but you know, there's been individual announcements 91 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.199 from third parties and stuff like that. But until I feel like, until 92 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.399 we get the Oculus in here and hook it up and connect to their store, 93 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:33.720 right because that's how they're going to sell primarily be selling their games, 94 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.800 we won't know. And and some of the yeah, some of the stuff 95 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:41.160 has been weird to just from like a coverage perspective, because it's kind of 96 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.439 been everywhere. It's hard to show, right, uh, you know, 97 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.639 And and so like us getting the stuff in here, like we're on the 98 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:47.680 cusps, but finally being able to figure out, like how the fuck do 99 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.000 we put up video video games? I think I think we're gonna start answering 100 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.279 those questions this very week, and I think a lot of it maybe too. 101 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.720 Is it coming pretty hot off the presses in terms of you know, 102 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:03.120 so both Oculus san Vibe Right launch in the next couple of months, but 103 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:08.439 they're both first time kind of first time hardware for both of their people, 104 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.920 and so I don't feel like you have the I mean, there's definitely been 105 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.959 anticipation and people were watching when the prices were announced and stuff, but I 106 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.399 feel like there's not the normal like cadence of leading up to a hardware launch 107 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.160 like we're used to, right, well, like here's the launch lineup, 108 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.600 and here's you know, well, it's like there. If you look at 109 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.600 it, it's just like here's the thing you could hook up to a PC. 110 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.319 Like it's it's kind of following in the video card model of launch as 111 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:31.160 opposed to like exactly when you think about like a console launch, like there 112 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.399 is that cadence of like, hey, they just started taking pre orders months 113 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:36.959 ago, right, you know, and hey, you're gonna go to game 114 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.199 stop and line up at midnight and do your fucking shit, you know, 115 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.360 Like like that's not happened, and they still even said if like, are 116 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.759 you gonna be able to buy an Oculus in a in a game stop? 117 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:47.959 Not? Probably not on day one. I mean, I don't know if 118 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:53.680 they have any retail presence. I think that target and eventually, but they've 119 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.319 they've taken pre orders months, you know. It's like, I don't know 120 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.680 if they're planning a retail launch for this month or if that's just like they 121 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.160 started taking pre orders on their website for kind of the day one or but 122 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.040 even that it's not day one because it's not the point. They were doing 123 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:08.360 the Apple thing of like you'll get it in May. Yeah, they were 124 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.920 doing like like thirty minutes after pre orders started. It was like, all 125 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.839 right, you're in the third wave now, which it seems like they might 126 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.959 just be kind of supply constrained. Yeah, I haven't seen any signage at 127 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.839 any retailers or anything. Right, so that my whole plan was to buy 128 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.639 it at retail. So it's like eighty dollars shipping or whatever. So right, 129 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:26.519 wait, so I don't I don't know if it's gonna feel more like 130 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:29.600 a if this launch is really gonna feel like a launch, if it's gonna 131 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.199 feel more like a like a soft launch and just games will be kind of 132 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:35.720 coming out, you know, here and there, random weeks and stuff. 133 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.639 Everything's been so speculative on some level, you know, like, yeah, 134 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:43.319 the way it's priced, like this isn't something that a ton of people are 135 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:46.079 going to go line up for anyway. I mean, they're obviously there are 136 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.040 a lot of people who want one and have the means to get one because 137 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:53.240 they're they're super pricy. But this isn't like selling this thing at Target for 138 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.399 eight hundred bucks or whatever it is. That's you imagine that that's not gonna 139 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.120 I feel like, I feel like once the PlayStation VR comes out, it's 140 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.879 going to be the first time we see like a mass consumer like marsh to 141 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.319 buy it on day ones where Yeah, because console gamers are kind of used 142 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.360 to that sort of thing, and they know how to like market a launch 143 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.639 like that they do that consoles. For that one, I think will feel 144 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.480 more like a proper or regular like console hardware lead up. And so that 145 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:22.600 announcement is today too, that that press conference is happening, is that this 146 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:24.639 is a hot scoop. It's today, Okay, if I had to put 147 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:28.920 money on, will there be when this day announcement when this podcast goes out, 148 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.120 I think, okay, yeah, if they didn't announce it today, 149 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.519 like when would they you know, like it's kind of coming down to it. 150 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.799 Well, yeah, they have a big they have a big press conference 151 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.600 anyway, So I think that, yeah, that's what people are assuming. 152 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.519 They said, like we will have lots of information or some strown Layden said 153 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:48.360 some something that people are like speculating about. But crash Bandicoot VR obviously that's 154 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:54.080 probably probably what it is. Buddy's Chair, Yeah, but that man, 155 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.720 where's my jumping flash? Yes? That would be old. You want an 156 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:01.559 old PlayStation game? Ready? May it's for VR. That's I think that's 157 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.000 one of those games that everyone's like, yeah, that would be perfect in 158 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.120 VR, and then if you actually did in VR and be like, what 159 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.879 the hell is going on? I have no idea where where I am over 160 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.840 your new headset. But so I think, yeah, I think VR is 161 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.120 going to be much more like, uh, less theoretical than it was last 162 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.799 year and more like, so are you coming out on pr is You're you 163 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:26.320 know on VR? Uh is your little studio doing only VR games? There's 164 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.519 like a lot of little It's very much like a buzzword right now, and 165 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.440 so I think you're seeing a lot of like especially around here, like Silicon 166 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.279 Valley investment and stuff like that in VR because it's the hot word. There's 167 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.600 a lot of money going around. Like it seems like if you're a small 168 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.799 studio that can say yes, we're doing VR, like it's possible for you 169 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.879 to just get funding right right, or or you're doing like some kind of 170 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.480 new hardware like hands you know, glove motion tech or whatever. Because everybody 171 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.000 still doesn't know exactly what form control is going to take. Perhaps a bodysuit 172 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.000 made out of vibrator type vibrating on things. You know, where would you 173 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.240 get that idea from? Ideal Worth Explorer? Does that suit here? It's 174 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:13.399 not only that suit is on the fifty third floor of the Mori Tower right 175 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.679 now. There's a special exhibit going on right now. It goes on this 176 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:20.600 month. Yeah, it ends this month in Tokyo. But it's like this 177 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:26.840 uh, this new media like art exhibit and yeah, it only happens at 178 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.039 night and you can see like the city in the background. It's pretty cool. 179 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.120 They have a giant screen up top where you see it and then you 180 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.679 can like people can make appointments to play res Infinite the demo that we had 181 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:46.039 at did you guys try it at at PSX with at this point, it's 182 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.799 fine, it's it's for Breeze regularly. It's still one of the time I 183 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:52.799 assume it is. Yeah, yeah, I think they're making a second and 184 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:58.200 third one because the school that worked on it wants to have one for themselves. 185 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.480 And like, I don't know if you guys uh saw it, but 186 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.519 the amps for it are huge, and they figured out a way to make 187 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.200 them smaller, and so they're like, yeah, they're still like tinkering with 188 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:16.279 it, but but hopefully that suit will reappear at some point between now and 189 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.200 when res Infinite comes out, hopefully with some other ship to go along with 190 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:24.159 it. So yeah, yeah, so no suit here. We we really 191 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.360 wanted to have it here. We were hoping to have it here, but 192 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.799 yeah, only one still. Now that's precious. So yeah, it's too 193 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.840 dangerous it is. You have to bring like a crew of three people along 194 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.159 with it too, so it's kind of difficult too. It's like, oh, 195 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.559 it'd be hilarious to have that at the party, and then it's like 196 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.399 it'd cost ten thousand dollars. Tom, Okay, maybe not that hilarious to 197 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:46.159 have drunk people jump in a swimming pool with it, or right, yeah, 198 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.000 for sure, ye's three. I'll save that for you three. Yea. 199 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.440 All right, Well, GDC will happen this week. We'll all have 200 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.720 a bunch of meetings. That's right. Little sleep we'll be had, but 201 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:00.480 it'll be a good time. But in the meantime, what have you guys 202 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.960 been playing? What have we been playing? So by what have you been 203 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:07.240 playing? I mean, let's talk about Clash Royal? Okay, there you 204 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.279 going? Oh no, John, tell me how much money you put into 205 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:16.639 Clash Royale? Actually only like twenty bucks. I basically I'm gonna check a 206 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.080 lot last value. Last I checked, you were number one on my friends 207 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.639 leader board. Oh really, yeah, you mean your friends. But right, 208 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.759 we're we're we're basically you're in the you you guys have your own clan? 209 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:28.159 Yes, yeah, okay, we I'm in the Neogath clan. Oh 210 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:31.919 you're number two now, sorry to tell you I lost a bunch this week. 211 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.320 Yeah, it's it's it's game. It goes in streaks. You go 212 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:35.519 in to wind Streak and you're feeling really great and then you lose like five 213 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.440 in a row and you never want to play again. And that's kind of 214 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.039 how it is. But I only spent twenty bucks, okay, and I'm 215 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.200 trying to respect you put more money. I wanted to put that in because 216 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.960 I feel like, at some point, when you play a game this much, 217 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.759 you got to give the developer some love. And but I'm not going 218 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.799 down the Monster Strike rabbit hole. I went where I spent way too much 219 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:54.840 money. It's more than love at some point. That's that's a problem. 220 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.480 Yeah, it's healthy, are you? How about yourself? Bred? I'm 221 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.320 playing a bunch yes, way too much. I haven't spent any money yet 222 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:05.879 because it's that crappy psychological thing of while I'm buying a finite resource and it's 223 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.480 going to run out at some point then I would have to buy more of 224 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.720 it. So I'm just not going to do it. Have you have you 225 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:13.600 spent? Like, have you like gone through all the currency that you got 226 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.440 out of that twenty bucks? Like are you ready to? I did, 227 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:18.840 yeah, And in fact, I didn't even really do use it for much. 228 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.799 Like it's one of those games where I feel like you don't really you 229 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.240 can't really pay to win. I mean, I guess if you paid a 230 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.080 lot, you could just get ahead of everyone a lot faster, but you 231 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.120 still have to rely on what are you buying your mind strategy currency gems or 232 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:35.159 whatever they call them in the US version, basically like, yeah, the 233 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.759 currency, and then you use those either to like trade for in game money 234 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.519 or to just like open up chests or do yeah. So basically chests drop 235 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:46.039 after every match, and they have timers on them which range from like three 236 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.159 to twelve hours, or you can spend the gems on the spot and just 237 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.879 open them right there. So if you bought a zillion gems, then you 238 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.360 could be opening chests after every single match you play. So how bad are 239 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.519 you? Like setting an alarm to wake up in the middle and I had 240 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.399 to open your chests and go back to sleep. I've been doing almost exactly 241 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.799 that. You have pretty brilliant about that, though, I mean, they 242 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:05.759 kind of have it set up where so you can only get four chests at 243 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.320 most at a time, which some people are pretty unhappy about, but like 244 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.600 it's it's kind of key to the keeping the game sort of flowing and balanced, 245 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.600 and but they generally will set it up where you get gold. Chests 246 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.240 are higher that take eight hours and more to unlock, and so you just 247 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.799 wait for mid for nighttime for those and you set them up before you go 248 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.039 to bed. Yeah, so I basically opened the three hour chests throughout the 249 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.759 day exactly in the start an eight or twelve when I go to bed. 250 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.399 Yeah, games stupid. There really actual game play in that game. It's 251 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.080 a it's a head to head tower defense game. Okay, like it's it's 252 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:39.720 just spawn units at the other guy faster than they do. There's a lot 253 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.759 of strategy involved. It's actually are really asymmetrical. No, it's the exact 254 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.240 thing like you have. There're three towers. You have like a main tower 255 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.840 and then two kind of guards towers. It's happen. It's happening live you 256 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.360 making your findings. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you were it is 257 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.279 It is real time. Okay, yeah, it's real. It's super fun. 258 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:58.440 It is really really fun and there's like a lot of strategy involved, 259 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.000 surprisingly deep for something that that just seems like, Okay, I just spawned 260 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.480 my troops as fast as they I only played it a little bit, and 261 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.559 like the beta, because there's you know, there's like it's there's like single 262 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.600 target versus AoE attackers. There's air versus grounds. You know, there's like 263 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:16.919 all kinds of kind of rock paper scissors like ballace stuff going on. Yeah. 264 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:18.240 I find the more you play, the more you're you're like any good 265 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.559 strategy game, I guess your your your own personal approach to how you play 266 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.720 kind of evolves and you learn new ways to deal with with people. And 267 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.879 it's a card game, right, So you have your deck, but you 268 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.159 you have like I have like thirty something cards, but I really only use 269 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:33.519 the same eight over and over and like, but you really could like as 270 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.440 you learn to play the game, Okay, I'm gonna take this card out 271 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:37.559 and go for this one instead, because I notice it's you know, my 272 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.759 my my my deck, you know, my my weak point or whatever is 273 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.240 that people keep nailing me with, you know, X attack, and so 274 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.320 I'm going to bring in this card to try to counter it. And you 275 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.919 kind of basically like learn to play that way, and you're growing your cards 276 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:52.360 and everything, and it becomes like really really addictive, and it's like the 277 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:56.000 classic strategy games where it's like it's super super simple to get into, but 278 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:58.840 just you feel like the layers of death just keep going and going. It 279 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:00.480 makes you want to keep playing a ton of ambitious ideas. And it too 280 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:03.440 for a mobile I mean maybe other mobile games have done this, but it's 281 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.440 got like Doda style like spectating features. You can watch tournaments, like yeah, 282 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:11.960 they hold tournaments that give out like huge prizes and gems and stuff like 283 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.360 that for like the leagues like reset every like a couple of weeks or something. 284 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.679 Yeah, it seems like more and more of those types of features. 285 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.519 Well not just that, but like also like you're starting to see people integrate 286 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:25.039 APIs that let people like stream their mobile games, right Yeah, Google is 287 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:26.720 pushing that pretty hard right now, and and I hope I know it's a 288 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.759 little harder on iPhone because Apple's kind of restrictive about what you can do, 289 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.080 but I mean they really need to open it up so that people can just 290 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.679 like stream their games, because it's that's where the future is going with that 291 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.440 stuff. I mean I kind of like and it people call it a tower 292 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:41.440 defense game, but I kind of think you can kind of call it a 293 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.159 tower offense game in a way too, because it's not just the defending part. 294 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:47.679 You're actually going on the attack as well. It's a little bit more 295 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:52.159 you know competitive. Yeah, that just sounds like a card based mobile to 296 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:56.120 me, except I guess hearing a hero. So you don't control the units. 297 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:59.120 You spawn them and then they just do what they do. So the 298 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:00.440 cards are all REUSA. Well you're not like one time use, Okay, 299 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:03.119 so once you get one, you're good. Yeah, you basically build a 300 00:17:03.119 --> 00:17:07.039 deck and those are the units you have to bring into the match. It's 301 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.559 super fun. It's just the payment models, that's Yeah. I think the 302 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.200 big turn off should give it a shot, though I might, I might 303 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:19.119 like a look. I think it's reaching and it's reaching out to more of 304 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:22.880 an audience than most because I've always you know, got you know, I 305 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.519 play mobile games, but like most of my friends don't and hate them. 306 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:27.039 But like I feel like a lot of people who were also in that I 307 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.920 hate mobile games group are playing this game too, So it's definitely kind of 308 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.400 reaching out beyond the typical I mean, like you said, it's got like 309 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.119 like actual video gaming depths to it, you know, like it's not I 310 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:38.640 think live multiplayer is one of those things that's like it's a lot easier for 311 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.000 people that play traditional games to wrap their minds around, like Okay, I 312 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.839 go fight this person. Also it is instead of fighting their AI or or 313 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.319 whatever. It's fucking crazy to me how well it works. Like I play 314 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.559 it on the bus every day, and like I've never had a match drop. 315 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.240 Like it feels there's no lag whatsoever. Like it's three minutes, three 316 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.759 minutes with one minute of death, yeah, one one minute of over time. 317 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.480 It's you. Yeah, I get a lot of yeah mobile time on 318 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:03.759 on like bart, but I've only got like a seven minute rides. So 319 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.079 do you get reception down there? Uh? It depends on the game. 320 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:11.720 Actually, yeah, where's some games yeah that will get reception through there, 321 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.720 Like I can go through four G but others just like failed to connect every 322 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.559 time. But so let's hit or mess. It's a it's a beautiful, 323 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:26.319 wretched, wonderful, awful game that is incredibly rage inducing feeling. They've got 324 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.200 those emotes in there. There's like four emotes. There's like a this little 325 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.559 king dude. Like one of them is like laughing and doing a thumbs up, 326 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:34.759 one of them is super mad, one of them is crying. I 327 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.039 have almost thrown my phone across the room a couple of times. That's the 328 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.599 way that people use those emotes after certain matches. I start every match by 329 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.279 just saying good luck, and I find like some people respond to it positively 330 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.920 and other people just get kind of piste off because they feel like you can 331 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:51.839 read I need many different ways. Yes, they're very open to interpretations. 332 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:52.960 Again, this is just sounding more and more like a mobile. Yeah, 333 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.720 it's totally. Yeah, it totally is. I always like the Hearthstone emotes 334 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.119 like that. That community always seemed pretty positive, like if you did a 335 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:00.000 good move or something, they would actually be like, oh, good work 336 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.759 or whatever. They're they're totally friendly people playing this game. But there are 337 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:06.920 some real assholes out there, I'm sure. And it's always like the ones 338 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.599 who have clearly put a bunch of money into their techs seem to be the 339 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.960 ones that just like, you know, some investment bank or somewhere right, 340 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.119 you know, I'm just some guy that dropped five figures on this fucking thing. 341 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.880 Yeah, exactly is the matchmaking? Do you feel like you're paired up 342 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.119 against? It's all who list, But so it's all based on you earned 343 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:26.480 trophies. Every time you win, you earn like roughly thirty and then you'll 344 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:29.759 lose like fifteen or twenty every time you lose, So you're going up and 345 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.119 down a ladder every time you win and lose, and inevitably you're gonna win 346 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.799 enough that you will bump into the ceiling where like somebody's a higher level than 347 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:37.920 you, or they just have cards you don't have, or something like that, 348 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.960 and then you've unceremoniously get busted back down. Yeah, but generally they 349 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.240 will not pair you with someone whose trophy count is more than twenty or thirty 350 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.680 away from you or so it's pretty good. There's just enough people playing that 351 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.920 game that they have a nice I get every game and said they they've got 352 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.400 like one hundred million players already or something with it. Its fucking crazy. 353 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.359 I mean, I guess they probably like are pivoting off of like they probably 354 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:03.240 marketed it inside of like Clash of Plans. I've never I've never played Classic 355 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.960 Clans, but I guess this this supposedly has like a lot of characters and 356 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:11.200 like they do market it inside Clash of really would as a Clash of Clans 357 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.279 player, you can would say, what did I go into that? I'm 358 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.799 sure? Okay, have you been playing Clash of Clans uh suddenly and then 359 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:23.720 proceed. Since being in Chicago backstage at Monday night, raw, I spent 360 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.319 most of my time. I flew at Chicago to shave Patrick Kleppis got New 361 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.200 Day, I saw the video yeah, and spent a lot of time with 362 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.960 the Cody Rhodes backstage. He's one of the wrestlers and he asked me. 363 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.559 He's a big gamer and asked me do you play Clash of Clans? He 364 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:38.720 has like the try Force on his boots, you know, he's yeah, 365 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.279 he's a huge Eelda fan. Yeah, awesome. We talked about Remember he 366 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.680 said he loved or hated Twilight Princess, but we talked about it for a 367 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.880 bit. But he asked me about Clash of Clans and I was like, 368 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:48.960 no, I don't really play a lot of like free to play mobile stuff. 369 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.960 And he's like, well, we've got this clan that you know, 370 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.079 we take it real seriously here and a ton of the wrestlers are in it. 371 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:56.480 And he's like, yeah, well we'll send you an invite, you 372 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:59.279 know, if you want to be in it. Are you how to talk 373 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:03.000 about this? I cleared this with Cody Rhodes this morning, so yes, 374 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:07.079 and it is public. They've raised a bunch of money for like Stephen Amel 375 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.480 isn't the clan the Arrow guy? Yeah, and so yes it is public. 376 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:15.759 So guys that are in it publicly there are Russev Cody, Rhodes Cesarro 377 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.480 whose Czaro writes these giant documents about how to handle war and everything, like 378 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:23.359 he's the top ranks, right, Yeah, he's ridiculously good. Let's see 379 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.440 aj Styles, Xavier Woods, Biggie Tyler, Breeze, Baron Corbyn, ty 380 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:32.720 Dillinger, the ascension to tons of people, some referees, some significant others. 381 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.960 I just changed my WrestleMania flight to go to a Nikki Clan party uh 382 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:42.440 in Dallas, So I will be meeting with these guys and discussing strats. 383 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:47.680 Yeah, well it's it's way deeper than I realized. Like I kind of 384 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:49.839 expected it was going to be this, like the only game like that I've 385 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.920 played, like Free to Play Building whatever is like Simpson's tapped out, and 386 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:56.440 I was like, this is bullshit. All I'm doing is waiting and building 387 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.079 a thing and waiting more. Yeah, until I got into this and these 388 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:04.039 guys, the Nikki Klan do these wars like every damn day. Like Cody 389 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.200 warned me that they wore a lot, and I had no idea how much 390 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.359 like Preparation Day and Battle Day, and you know, we've got this whole 391 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:12.480 chat that everyone's you know, requesting units and all this stuff, and I 392 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.039 do my battles, and I assume it's just like, oh, build as 393 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:19.000 many strong dudes as I can and tap around and hope to destroy their defenses 394 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.759 or whatever. But it's totally not this like poor Man's RTS that I kind 395 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:26.079 of assumed it would be. Yeah, it's this weird thing of like, 396 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.440 well, you gotta draw these units out with these and then once you've drawn 397 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.920 them to the edge of the map, you circle archers around them, and 398 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:36.720 all this stuff that you wouldn't know in any way by just playing the game 399 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:38.759 necessarily. So I've got all these guys texting me constantly like no, you 400 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.680 gotta do this and this, and then you know, don't be afraid to 401 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:42.759 ask for balloons, and like there's a valkyrie you need to do this, 402 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:48.279 and there's all this weird I'm never afraid to ask for balloons. So yes, 403 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.079 I'm learning. I feel terrible because you know, every war we've done 404 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:55.799 so far like the guy you can watch everyone's replays and so like this morning, 405 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.200 Cody was watching my replays and texting me like, Okay, I can 406 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:00.359 tell within five seconds you're doing this wrong. You gotta do this, gotta 407 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.319 do this. And so I'm learning through this stuff. But you know a 408 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.160 lot of people have told me like, oh, don't worry, like everyone 409 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.400 sucks at first. So I'm learning. I just don't want to let the 410 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.160 Nikki clan down because this is a very serious thing. Yeah, yeah, 411 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.519 so how many people can be in a clan? Fifty? Oh wow? 412 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:19.279 And despite that, you got into this like super league. Yes, yeah, 413 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.720 for now, I know. I know I if I don't perform, 414 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.200 if I don't learn, I am afraid I could get kicked out. He's 415 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.079 a legitimate manager at this point. He is in the biz. Now, 416 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.079 I've worked a few shows. Yeah, I don't want to say in the 417 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:34.359 biz okay, because that actually that's something I could say. Well, I'm 418 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.160 not you, I could say whatever. I can say, whatever the fun 419 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.359 I want. I'm no weathered wrestling better or gone a few shows, but 420 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:42.240 like you haven't paid your dues yet. By no means no. These are 421 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.799 actual wrestlers that okay, everyding, Okay, I'm just a fan that stuff 422 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:51.759 they do. There's a little secret handshakes and stuff, and uh yeah, 423 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.720 it's it's pretty great standing on what's that who's the head of that clan? 424 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.319 Like? Who could kick you? Since it seems like Cody, Cizarrow and 425 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:03.440 maybe Tyler Breeze are three of the most active ones. Russev, it's pretty 426 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.000 big on it. It was so surreal standing on the raw ramp, like 427 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:11.640 on the stage like where the pyro drops and everything, standing there talking about 428 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.920 this with russevn Cody Rohods and this is and then then this this party thing 429 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.920 should be pretty amazing in Dallas. So pretty great. Yeah, it's it's 430 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.319 real, real interesting. It's a very surreal weird thing. But I don't 431 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.960 want to let him down. Now you're on the road, right, you 432 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.400 gotta have something to wait to Chicago. No, I mean I mean those 433 00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:30.240 guys, I mean the road all the time. You gotta find something to 434 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:33.880 do between from city to city, right, Yeah, they're just like us. 435 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.119 Oh, I forgot to say fit Finley. I talked to fit Finley 436 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.160 Clash of Plans. Of course, he's also in the Nikki clan awesome. 437 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.240 So, yes, I'm in a video game plan with fit Finley. I 438 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.240 don't know who that is, but that sounds he's awesome. He's a badass, 439 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.400 all right, good to know. So yeah, that's been a weird 440 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:52.920 thing. So it's just been that. And uh, in the last week, 441 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.680 I played forty hours of Stardo Valley. Yes, because you guys a 442 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:02.160 man yet, and I want to hear about it because you guys playing it. 443 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:04.920 It's so good and through our office right now. Basically I remember intern 444 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.160 Sarah turned people onto it, and I know JJ's playing it now and Roy's 445 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.440 playing it, but I haven't gotten it yet. Yeah, you were not 446 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.359 a Harvest Moon guy. I had never played Harvest Moon, any Harvest Moon 447 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.000 because like back in the day, back like sixteen but air and everything, 448 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:19.839 I just didn't give JRPG as a chance ever, right, And so I 449 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:22.799 just saw the box and I was like, that looks like a JRPG. 450 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.960 I'm not gonna play it. Yeah, yeah, we're now. It's like 451 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.920 I realized, like, oh man, I was missing out all these years. 452 00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.759 But I'm also kind of glad this is my first experience because even like 453 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.440 Harvest Moon fans have been telling me like this is everything that game had and 454 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:38.000 a million times more. So totally yeah, and uh it's incredible, Like 455 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.799 it's got it tooks in me the way Animal Crossing always got it hooks in 456 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.440 me. But it also the dangerous thing is that it's not limited by the 457 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.440 days. So I Animal Crossing, you'd sit down for thirty or forty minutes, 458 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:49.680 and you know, you'd get to your bugs and your your fruits and 459 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.759 talked to everyone and do some bullshit, and then there's only so much you 460 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.720 can do in a day, whereas Start Valley. I mean, I can't 461 00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.599 tell you how many times I've sat down for six or seven hours to play 462 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:00.960 it when I want them to just play like one endgame day. Wow. 463 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:04.000 Wow. So it's gotten all that stuff that I loved about Animal Crossing, 464 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.319 you know, the neighbors, you know, kind of the quirky humor and 465 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:11.960 everything, collecting things from a museum, buying house upgrades. But it's also 466 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:15.319 got more direction as far as you know, you're trying to get married, 467 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:19.160 you're trying to restore this community center, You're there's a lot more going on 468 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:22.000 in that game. There's there's combat, trying to keep the Evil Corporation from 469 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.440 coming in. I was gonna say, community center, you're trying to get 470 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.400 the kids off the street. Well, it's basically you know that. I 471 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.480 feel like the word is going to culminate in like a breakdancing competition to save 472 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:36.480 the Team Center run the Evil Corporation because the Joja Martin moved in and it's 473 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.960 really convenient and the prices are much more affordable. But uh, you know, 474 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.119 the Community Center is getting kind of run down. I don't know why 475 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.240 that was competing because it's not a store, but anyway, they want well, 476 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.240 Joe Demart wants to purchase the Community Center and turn it into the Jojo 477 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:53.079 Warehouse. And if you pay for a membership at the Joe Ja mart they 478 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:59.240 demolish the Community Center and they build the warehouse. So by trying to restore 479 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:02.559 it, you're basically making it so like they can't you know, uh turn 480 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:06.359 them to wars. So that's a real fun thing. Yeah, there's combat, 481 00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:07.680 Like I just finished, there's one hundred and twenty floors of these mines, 482 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.160 and then there's a whole other thing. If you can restore the bus 483 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.960 to go to the Calico Desert and what is the combat like? Forgive my 484 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.519 ignorance. I know, I've seen like a couple of screenshots of this game, 485 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:21.240 but nothing else. Like I just imagine you were planting crops, and 486 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.079 I mean that's what you do in the morning stuff. But as you go 487 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.680 further and you get sprinklers and seed makers and all the stuff, you can 488 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.720 automate a certain amount of the process. Combat is pretty basic. I mean, 489 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.279 you have a sword or a club or a dagger, and you know 490 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:36.440 it's got different speed and and everything, and but it's real time. It's 491 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:40.640 not like Turn Base. They're walking around kind of okay, yeah, I 492 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.799 kind of like top down link to the past, you know, you know, 493 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.599 slimes and stuff, breaking rocks, trying to get ore and stuff. 494 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.319 As you go down one hundred and twenty levels of these mines, sposs fights 495 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.359 and stuff like that. Not really, No, every five floors you unlock 496 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.920 an elevator, so you can access any floor and like, well there's only 497 00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.599 you'll get cold mostly between floors one hundred and one, one hundred and three, 498 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.880 or gold is mostly over level eighty or whatever. So depending on what 499 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.839 you need, you can take the elevator to whatever floor you want. But 500 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.279 it's it's pretty simple. I haven't died ever. I heard the death penalty 501 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.400 is is pretty rough, Like you lose a lot of the items you have 502 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:17.559 on you, including watering cans and axes and pick axes. That costs a 503 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.720 lot to depth grade. So I've been playing it really safe down there. 504 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.519 You almost ate it on the show on Friday. Yeah, yeah, I 505 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:29.359 remember that. But yeah, I'm I'm forty hours, forty plus hours in. 506 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.480 I'm starting my second year now, and it's just it keeps getting its 507 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:34.480 hooks and more. I heard more people move in. A bunch of stuff 508 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.599 happens in the year two I got. I went to my grandpa's shrine because 509 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.400 my grandpa died, and I got a note saying like, hey, if 510 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.079 you're dead, Grandpa, come visit me on the first day of your third 511 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:45.839 year. So I can't wait for the third year to visit the ghost of 512 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.759 my grandpa or something. See you in another eighty hours, I guess. 513 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.960 Yeah, it's it's such a weird game. Like you know, I've been 514 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.319 courting this Abigail girl and giving her a bunch of fruits and stuffs, and 515 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.519 what happened to more penny? You don't have the penny? Oh boy, 516 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.039 I like Penny's a nice girl, but a friend's a friend. We're friend. 517 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.839 I want to be friends with everyone in town. Abigail invited me into 518 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.720 her room at shot to play co Op March of the Prairie King or something, 519 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.480 and so we played a co Op twin stick shooter together on her like, 520 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:18.359 you know, it looks like an S and e s in her room 521 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.119 and I was like, man, this girl seems pretty cool. And she 522 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:26.400 eats rocks. Yeah, you'll hand her stuff and like you'll hand her flowers 523 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.519 or rocks, and she'd be like, thanks, this is delicious. Yep. 524 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.160 A girl's a quirky girl, a little the old March of the Prairie 525 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.160 King and chill. Yeah, yeah, okay, So she's great. I'm 526 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:38.039 kind of going after Abigail here. So I'm at five hearts with Penny. 527 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.960 I'm at three or four with Abigail. I'm trying to get Marnie to like 528 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.559 me because the mayor is sleeping with her and he wants me to retrieve his 529 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.640 shorts from her bedroom and I can't go into her bedroom unless I'm good friends 530 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.720 with Marnie. But my gimmick now is I got a horse. And so 531 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.640 in the morning, I make I have a bunch of chickens, and so 532 00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:56.480 I fry a bunch of eggs, and I ride into the town on my 533 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.319 horse and give everyone Fridays. So that's my I think dream. Yeah, 534 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.720 I'd be the fucking best man. I wish that I could just like just 535 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.119 on my street, just someone or horseback. Breakfast is served. Yeah, 536 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.160 seven o'clock every morning. I can buy it with like eight Fridays. Seven 537 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.319 is way too early. Really, I wake up. I don't want to 538 00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.880 eat like within five minutes of waking up. That's okay, all right, 539 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.599 maybe I'll fix that. I'd let you in my bedroom after that. Thanks 540 00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.240 Jason. Yeah, no one liked my pancakes, so I stick with Frida 541 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.960 eggs. But Marnie hates eggs. So I gotta figure out a way to 542 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:27.720 get those shorts back for the mayor. It's a tough road to ho I 543 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.480 guess it's the best if you if you're trying that egg King of Star New 544 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.559 Valley, Yeah, if you checked on any of the mod Like, it 545 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.359 feels like mods are just coming like fast and furious for this thing. Somebody's 546 00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.039 adding a tax system to the game where you have to like pay taxes on 547 00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:45.440 your crops and stuff. Sounds great, there's awesome. Fine, there's like 548 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.880 a there's a bunch of Animal Crossing inspired stuff that people are adding. I 549 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.400 saw, Yeah, people did like a Pokemon mod. Yeah, they did 550 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.200 stuff to get rid of the fishing mini game, or like to make it 551 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.319 harder, depending on Yeah. I like it the way it is, you 552 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.279 know, honestly, I like the whole game the way it is so like 553 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.759 I have not dope into that stuff at all. So it's like there's like 554 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.920 just so much crammed in there that Yeah, and it's made by one It's 555 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:08.119 insane. It's made by one guy. It's one guy. Yeah, it's 556 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.279 fifteen dollars. It's there's so much game in there. It's so impressive in 557 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.839 so many ways. That's yeah, that thing is really taken off like a 558 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.359 rocket. They're pushing. They're pushing like half a million copies. Now, 559 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.839 is there an end goal to the game? Like, do you? Is 560 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.240 there like a final boss or something? For me? I want to get 561 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.559 married and I want to restore the community center and then I want to find 562 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.960 out what's like Yeah, yeah, and if you beat the arcade games, 563 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.319 they send you an arcade cabinet or might be the console version of the game 564 00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.559 to your house. So I'm trying to beat h Juno, Super Juno Moocart 565 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.519 and a ballot of the actual mini games that you can play. Yeah, 566 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.599 in the game, Yeah, it's if you go into the saloon, you 567 00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.279 can play the arcade. Well, you can only play a super junomocart if 568 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:48.960 you get the skull key from the caverns and then you can go in there 569 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.759 and you can play progress mode of Super Junomocart. So you did get that 570 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:53.839 skull key. Yeah, okay, I have that now, all right? 571 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.079 Speaking of console version of the game, does it seem like the sort of 572 00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:00.920 thing that would be pretty easy move over to the dyes Rovita. It'd be 573 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.880 awesome, it'd be great. It has seen playing sport, but it's a 574 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.039 little hacked in right now, like its kind of last Yeah, it sounds 575 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.119 like he's still working on that aspect. I mean it works. I mean 576 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:13.400 I play pretty much exclusively with the controller, except for like sometimes you have 577 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.759 to shift right click and I'll switch to my mouth for that. But man, 578 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.640 I can't say enough about that game. It's, without a doubt, 579 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.319 my favorite game of the year. It's one of my favorite games in a 580 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.240 long time. Like it's it's really something else awesome and it's so like not 581 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.799 in my wheelhouse. Like I started checking it out for a quick look, 582 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.400 and it didn't take long to be like, oh, this is really going 583 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.359 to be a thing for a while. So yeah tonight, so seasonal, 584 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.000 seasonal, start your valley updates for the re I feel like it came out 585 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:40.920 of nowhere. Yeah, like I love it. Just yeah, just just 586 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:44.880 it came out. You started hearing like just a little bit, Like more 587 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.720 and more people started like falling to it in a weird way. It was 588 00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.640 just like, oh, you playing it yet, Like no, and the 589 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.039 people that are playing, like Mary Kish is playing it, and like every 590 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:54.799 day it sece updates. So I guess she's this recluse, you know, 591 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.359 crazy farmer that's like super rich, but everyone in town hates her, like 592 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.079 right, So I'm trying to get everyone to like me. I was being 593 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:05.000 a dick at first to a couple of people, but they've shown their human 594 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.319 side and I'm giving them cakes and stuff. Now. I want to play 595 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.200 it real bad, but I've got other stuff that I need to play. 596 00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.799 I'm afraid of know what that game will do to me. Yeah, that's 597 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.079 this weekend. I wanted to play a bunch of Hitman and The Division, 598 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:19.160 and like you know, I loaded both of them up very briefly, and 599 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.519 it's like, no, I'm just I just need to play more Started Valley. 600 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.160 Yeah, yeah, it's it's great. And the amount of music coming 601 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.960 from my living right now because my girlfriend's playing on her laptop and I'm playing 602 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.279 on the big screen right there, and we're both just tending to our farms 603 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:36.359 for hours and hours at a time. It's it's so good, sounds terrifying. 604 00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.119 It's the best no multiplayer right, Uh No. He has said in 605 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.720 an interview that he's open to the idea of putting in like co op and 606 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.839 stuff like that, but nothing necessarily interesting someone else's town. Thing would be 607 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.839 yea crossing, yeah, because there's so much customization for how you like lay 608 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.440 things out. So like I've got two huge rows of kegs that you know, 609 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.039 for the winter you can't grow crops, they won't grow, So I 610 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.480 make a shitload of hops in the summer, and then I'm just making ship 611 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.279 tons of pale ale in the winter, which makes me tons and tons of 612 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.360 money. I've got a bunch of mayonnaise machines and cheese presses, and I've 613 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.320 got a Trufle I've got a Trufle oil machine. I've got chickens. I 614 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.880 just got my horse. I sound exhausted. Yeah, it's so good. 615 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:21.679 I just thought I would get burnt out at some point. I did a 616 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.599 full year and I was like, Okay, I've kind of seen all the 617 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:27.079 festivals and you know, all the different crops that grow and what each season 618 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.559 brings. But nope, I'm diving right back and I'll easily do another one. 619 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.599 Wow. Wow, that sounds crazy. Yeah, Clyde, you're enjoying 620 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:36.840 it. Oh, it's the best. Yeah. Speaking of the Division, 621 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.840 yeah, we are, we are. We are now one week out yep 622 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.960 from the launch with that game and also from us getting access to it. 623 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.719 Right. Yeah, it sounds like you guys have been the at least mark 624 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.480 you've been. I have been putting, putting some hours in and we need 625 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:54.199 to can like convene some kind of like Destiny counsel. I will say like 626 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:59.079 that. I do see a lot of stuff in the Division through the frame 627 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.199 of Destiny, like they're they are similar games in a lot of ways, 628 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:08.519 and I notice a lot of things that I in retrospect, like I didn't 629 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.599 really notice we're good about destiny that the Division does wrong. And then it 630 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:16.679 also like vice versa, like I think I'm glad now Division exists because I 631 00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:22.679 think it's uh, they will push each other towards to get better in a 632 00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.639 lot of ways from now. Yeah, it's a it's a weird man that 633 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.559 game. So I'm at the level cap. I beat all the story missions 634 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:35.199 and basically unlocked the ability when you hit the when you hit level thirty, 635 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.119 it unlocks dailies at that point. Oh, you can't do that at all 636 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:40.920 until they didn't get a wi okay, because I saw people talking about dailies 637 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.079 and I'm like, am I just missing it in this like mess of yeah 638 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.840 you just yeah them? It is kind of it is kind of a dense. 639 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.559 It is a Ubisoft ass map in that game. It is very watchdoggy 640 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.719 like giant map of bells and whistles and lights and colors. And also like 641 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.800 most of those side missions are almost identical. Like they said, like, 642 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.440 well let's just make one rescue mission per district. It's like, okay, 643 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.360 well one of them is not fun, so putting nine of them in the 644 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:10.000 game doesn't seem like a great idea either, and so like the side content 645 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.480 I think is like repetitive and drab in a way that like you kind of 646 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.239 think when you think of you'd be soft open world games, like this is 647 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.400 the sort of stuff you think of. In some ways, it's like the 648 00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.280 most distilled version of that yet, but they've bolted on this, you know, 649 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:29.440 four player multiplayer and this other stuff to it, like it like it's 650 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.639 I started playing The Division thinking a lot about Destiny, and as I kind 651 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.679 of got deeper into it, I started just pulling back a little bit more 652 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.559 and realizing, like, no, those games are just both in a lot 653 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.679 of ways, just Diablo or actually Helligate London, Like at some point they 654 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:46.840 just and I started thinking this morning, like I wonder if people that worked 655 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.199 on Helligate London are just pissed because I had the idea to make a Diablo 656 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.239 first person shooter years ago, but it was kind of ahead of its time 657 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.519 and broken in a lot of ways that you know, just people hadn't figured 658 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.599 out the right way to solve some of those network problems and stuff. The 659 00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:07.599 Division is not a great game, but I really I really like it, 660 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.400 and I'm super conflicted about it right now. Like I started trying to write 661 00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.639 the review on Sunday, and like I'm just like kept erasing it and starting 662 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.559 over. Like no, no, it's not like finding the right way to 663 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.880 convey that. Like this is a game with like like real issues in terms 664 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.480 of like the amount of content and the repetitive nature of that content, and 665 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.719 like the way the crafting UI is and there's just like all this stuff you 666 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:30.159 can stack up, and it's like there's a bunch of stuff in this game 667 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:37.360 that like is actually kind of bad or at least like missteps that like you 668 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:38.760 look at and go like, this is there's a better way to do what 669 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.400 they've what they were going for here, yep. But at the same time, 670 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:50.079 I actually really enjoy a lot of what it's doing the same same exact 671 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.079 thing. Like a lot of times when I get together I'm playing online with 672 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:55.760 my friends, will just be like why did they do this this way? 673 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.519 Why didn't they do that that way? And but but at the same time 674 00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.599 we're playing it, like in World, it's really enjoying it. It's a 675 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.440 bad story, like there's barely what what story is there is actually is kind 676 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.840 of terrible and but at the same time, it's like, you know, 677 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.639 and it's all this like side content that has a little bits of dialogue and 678 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.800 little things that are just like a one hundred different ways to say, Man, 679 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.800 New Yorkshire is fucked up, right, and that's it. That's the 680 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:24.440 only thing it really has to say until like the very end of the game. 681 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.039 It tries to do a little bit of something and by that time you're 682 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.440 like, dude, it's too late. Uh, But that game is a 683 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.280 podcast game. That game is is like a I'm watching TV on one monitor. 684 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.800 Like if you're paying close attention to the division, you're playing it wrong 685 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.079 in a weird way where like you need to be playing it with a group 686 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.800 of people and having conversation, you know, voice chat talking talking for like 687 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.079 team up with people that you don't mind talking to for a dozen hours, 688 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.920 you know, and then I think you'll have a good time with it. 689 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.519 But like playing it alone is really Yeah. Yeah, I didn't play it 690 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.679 too much too much alone, even playing with random people like you, because 691 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.480 even you can match make before the story missions, I thought that works pretty 692 00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.920 well. Yep. Yeah, I just like the thing that kept getting me 693 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.719 about it because I was really wondering too, like why what is it that's 694 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.760 really grabbing me about this game? And I think that a lot of it. 695 00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:21.199 I think the real world, the real world environment, the setting of 696 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.119 it. Yea. Like again, I compare almost everything to Destiny, and 697 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.840 I think it's a huge plus and a huge minus to it. But like 698 00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.760 running down you know streets, like recognizable streets with cars and taxi cabs and 699 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.519 like a million different models. I mean I think there are more. I 700 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.039 kept saying this at the office, but like there's not that many different player 701 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.679 models to choose from. It's like surprisingly little, but there's like a bazillion 702 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:50.519 taxi cabs. There's like probably like literally like two hundred different trash backs were 703 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.960 modeled in that game, and yet there's like ten player faces total. But 704 00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:00.039 anyway, the amount of detail in that they use and fleshing out the world, 705 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.360 and you just like run into an apartment building, no loading, You're 706 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.679 right in the apartment building, and in the apartment building there's like a last 707 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.960 of Us level detail to like every room. It's like there's a mattress where 708 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.719 somebody was sleeping and there's like a bloody baseball bat next to it, and 709 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.840 like a bottle of wine and it's like, okay, I kind of can 710 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:22.519 put together a story that happened here. But just like that, you know, 711 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.719 Okay, this is a police station. I recognize this going down into 712 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.719 the parking lot of a police station and you're fighting room to room and a 713 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.960 police station with a bunch of your friends and people are going through other rooms 714 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.000 and you're fighting through windows and like recognizable, Okay, this is where the 715 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:38.639 reception would be. And like that actually adds a lot to the kind of 716 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:43.960 destiny type of gameplay where you're just shooting things with your friends is inherently fun 717 00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.039 on its own, but I think then the flip side of that, and 718 00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.800 that's super exciting. So like running through the streets of New York with its 719 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.760 snowing and you hear gunshots in the distance, Like that's just it's fun. 720 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.599 And I like like, yeah to like some of the environment stuff, like 721 00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.199 you have those police stations or just even apartment buildings that have been kind of 722 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.079 taken over by gangs or whatever, and you see that they've like been like 723 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.000 like there's a logic to it, Like you understand from a gameplay perspective, 724 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.599 why the staircase doesn't go all the way up. Why they would barricade it. 725 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.119 Yeah, Like tons of games do that, but here like the way 726 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.679 you walk around it or have to hop out a window. Like, there's 727 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.960 a logic to like, well, we wanted to fortify this building to stop 728 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.039 someone else from coming and taking our ship, right, so we we put 729 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.079 this ship here, but we had to leave a path for ourselves to climb 730 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.440 out the window, hop up the fire escape, go back in, right, 731 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.519 block the staircase again. Right, There's there's a logic to that that 732 00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.840 I had, Like the environment that I that I kind of appreciate it absolutely, 733 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.960 Yeah, and I think the flip side of it now, which I'm 734 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.639 curious because you've played it more than I have. But the thing that I 735 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.800 started thinking, I don't know, maybe this will become a problem is that 736 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.440 because it's so grounded and established in the real world, there's not like, 737 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:52.840 you know, the destiny equivalent of like, whoa, that guy shoots a 738 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.639 gun that like you know, has Neon Crean shit flying out of it and 739 00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.199 whatever. That was my concern going into the the beta they did. From 740 00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.440 an aesthetic perspective, I was just like, oh, I'm gonna get bored 741 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.400 of looking at this trab real world setting for for so long. But it 742 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.280 actually it sounds like it's even more of a mechanical problem, just in terms 743 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.599 of like lack of variety on the enemy side. Things get Our three of 744 00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.199 that game is identical to our thirty five of that game, you know, 745 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:21.880 because you know you're leveling up, they're leveling up. The number of bullets 746 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.199 it's taking to drop these guys is is roughly the same. The thing that 747 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.159 changes is, you know, the encounters get a little more hairy, you 748 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.719 know, because there are more people in them. You're playing on hard or 749 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.079 challenging difficulty, so a lot more of the guys will have armor and stuff 750 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.119 like that. But all that means is the bullet spongee enemies become more bullet 751 00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.559 spongee. Sounds like they need like DLC filters like a seventies you know to 752 00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.840 or whatever. Yeah, yeah for you just but or I mean, you 753 00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.119 know, and they could go in this direction with the story if they wanted 754 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.159 to. I think they would be a weird stretch for them to like do 755 00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:58.480 it and add on content. But this game needs. This game needed like 756 00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.039 some kind of big twist about out halfway through of like, oh, by 757 00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:06.239 the way, the virus made all the spiders giant or aliens invaded and they 758 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.599 brought laser weapons. Guys showed up right exactly. But it's it's four factions 759 00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.880 of enemies and that's it. You know. It's like there's the and they're 760 00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.960 all human. They're there's it's you want like an uncharted ending where they all 761 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.920 all of a suddenly like blue guys would actually be a good thing here. 762 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.880 But it's you know, it's the it's rioters, who are just like fucking 763 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:32.280 dudes. It's uh, the cleaners, which are flame throwers. Yeah. 764 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.719 Uh, it's the Last Man Battalion, which is a PMC. Haven't those 765 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.599 guys yet. So those guys are kind of like you. They're kind of 766 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.840 like division guys. They have their own they're just there's like military guys that 767 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.760 I mean, No, there are other dudes with guns. There's more life 768 00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.320 with that armor, like there's nothing. Everybody in the game is just exactly 769 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.119 yes, and most of them are dudes. There are you encounter some ladies 770 00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.320 here and there, but but and even then, you know there are enemy 771 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.360 types that you'll see. You know, they'll put icons next to the health 772 00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.800 barers, so you see like this is a sniper, right, this is 773 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.440 a guy with a shotgun, and those enemy types are just mapped across the 774 00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:12.760 different factions, so you know, fighting one crew is not that different from 775 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.440 the other. You know, tactically, it's not a it's not a huge 776 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.360 difference. It's more that like the AI can be interesting that I will try 777 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:22.119 to flank you as you should be trying to flank it. Yeah, it's 778 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.079 it's a really stark contrast when you think about like the factions and Destiny and 779 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.880 how differentiated they are, and even within one faction, how different the types 780 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.199 of enemies are in the things that I would say do to you. But 781 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.599 the Destiny factions do have that thing of like there's like the roles, like 782 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.039 they're feeling similar. That's true within the faction. Yeah, what about your 783 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:42.440 character though, so you've got like a fully leveled up character, Like, 784 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.960 how how have tact exchanged? How have like your abilities? I'm using the 785 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.519 exact same abilities I was using from the beginning. Because because you unlock that 786 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.679 stuff relatively early on you and you can choose which order you unlock the things 787 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.119 on the tech tree in so if there's like an ability you know you want, 788 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.159 which you might not know that, but like you know, you're not 789 00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.199 making any hard voices, so I can respect my entire character and at any 790 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.639 times. And I have everything unlocked now to do that. So every single 791 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.079 talent, every single uh different ability, and the mods on those abilities, 792 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.079 I can just do that kind of at will. So you found something that 793 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:15.280 worked and you're just kind of sticking with us. Yeah, And what are 794 00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:20.519 the abilities that you find that you I'm using. There's it's one of the 795 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.480 first ones you have the ability to get is a pulse that will kind of 796 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:24.760 mark everyone on the map, and there's a mod for that that makes it 797 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.519 to when an enemy is pulsed, they take more damage. Yeah, so 798 00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.960 that's useful. Ye. And then there's a heal which if you tap it 799 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.440 it heals yourself. If you hold it, it becomes a gun that I 800 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:39.159 will heal you out the heal gun. And I've been using those two pretty 801 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:44.119 exclusively. There's a healing station that I've seen other people use that seems like 802 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:47.440 affect. Throw it out and it's like, yeah, there's a radiation of 803 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.519 healing. Yeah, that's been that looks pretty good. The nice thing about 804 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.639 that is, you can modit to where if people go down, it'll back 805 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:02.360 up. And then when you I guess it's when you complete the base upgrade 806 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.280 stuff and each one of the upgrade wings in your base, you have three 807 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.639 different wings that you're upgrading to get these skills and perks and stuff. When 808 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.440 you feel one of them out, there's a master skill that unlocks. Oh 809 00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.559 okay, so there's a kind of a third skill, a signature signature skill 810 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.000 they call it. And with that, if there's one that I one I've 811 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:23.639 been using is the uh it's a it's a resistance spuff okay for your whole 812 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.679 team. I thought that mechanic was interesting, the upgrading your base, and 813 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.400 also again it's it's grounded in like real world stuff. So like, okay, 814 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.039 you're unlocking the armory so that you can unlock at crafting station. Like 815 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.679 that actually makes sense, Yeah, and also gave you a reason to do 816 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.159 a lot of little shit in the world that I wouldn't normally care about at 817 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.280 all totally. Like even every NPC that walks up to you that asks for 818 00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.199 like a bottle of water or something like, they will give you clothing as 819 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:53.920 well, but you also get even though it's just a little bit of experience. 820 00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.920 You get a little bit of experience. So every little story dropping, 821 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.800 no matter what it is, gives you a little bit of experience scanning stuff. 822 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.320 There's like a lot of reason to do stuff that there wasn't in like 823 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.320 Destiny or whatever, because it's all kind of leading into at least a little 824 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.880 more experience. And the thing that I would say there is like this would 825 00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.480 work a lot better if the side content was more differentiated. But like that 826 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.800 notion of like, well I need to get more security supplies to upgrade the 827 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.800 security wing means I'm doing a ton of security side missions and it's a lot 828 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.719 of like, well, I need to go assault this stronghold, which is 829 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.599 just you know, everything is a form of like go shoot all these guys 830 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:35.920 and then maybe you have to do something afterwards. And then there's just dumb 831 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.440 stuff in there, like supply drops that have to be guarded. So you 832 00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:42.159 run up to the supply drop, you know, and you stand there and 833 00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:45.519 guard it while waves of guys come at you. Sometimes there'll be multiple supply 834 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.280 drops, so you have to kind of run around and you know, guard 835 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:53.079 them in order. Basically, so this is like quarantined New York. Everything 836 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:58.360 is at a hard to come by. Everyone's kind of trying to hoard as 837 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.840 many supplies as they can get. Uh, when you're guarding supplies, the 838 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.199 thing you're guarding it from is enemies walking up and shooting the supplies. And 839 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.559 they just walk up, stand there and start unloading their gun into these supplies. 840 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.119 Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like what why would you? 841 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.079 This is the dumbest shit ever. Like, yeah, how's the fast 842 00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.599 travel system? You can fast travel to the any Uh, there are safe 843 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.480 houses the unlock as you go, so the big safe houses you can fast 844 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.719 travel too, Yes, okay, Yeah, and uh, every mission start 845 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:34.239 point once you've been to that mission is also a fast travel point okay, 846 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.519 okay. And you don't necessarily have to like start the mission again to go 847 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.599 there, you don't, okay. One of the other things I like that 848 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.239 that reminds me of is that you can see even though you're not running around, 849 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.719 seeing a lot of random players in the single player game. For whatever 850 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.119 reason, it's just not it's it's yeah, it's not why it's instanced. 851 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.519 You know why they did that. Yeah, they'll see like your friends on 852 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.119 the map, but you will see your friends on the map even if they're 853 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.679 not in your group, which is kind of cool because it's like, oh, 854 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.880 okay, there doing something. I'm going to join them. You can 855 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:01.480 just join on them. It will, Yes, you can't that way, 856 00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.320 yeah, if they're set that way. And there's a lot of loading times 857 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.679 associated with joining and quitting groups, I think. But yeah, so the 858 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:13.119 thing, so I did that to someone, you know, I was max 859 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.239 level and you know, friend of mine was like level nine, and I 860 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.039 was like, well, jump in there and help him out. It made 861 00:49:17.039 --> 00:49:20.960 all the enemies in his world level twenty. That's right, that's right, 862 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:22.239 it does. So I was like, okay, well now I can carry 863 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.639 you through your own game. Or I ended up quitting and then when I 864 00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.159 quit, everyone stayed level You're welcome, So he had he had to basically 865 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.840 drop and join. Were you level twenty five or was that some I was 866 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.639 thirty? Yeah, so it was. But but in the world, you 867 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.719 don't always see people that are at your level, Like they try to have 868 00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:44.559 a leveling range around like it's a U shape basically, so you're kind of 869 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.119 starting in the close to the upper left and work your way down and around 870 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:51.920 and up to the right, uh, and the level of enemies increases as 871 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.440 you go through that part of as you as you move deeper into the city. 872 00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.519 Basically okay, but yeah, you never I guess if you get to 873 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.800 the final when you can finally get to the final area, I think those 874 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.039 guys are level thirty, but generally out in the world, Like there's a 875 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.800 bunch of side stuff in lower level areas that I went back to do and 876 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.960 it would at least like level the guys up to where they weren't a total 877 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.320 joke, but they were mostly just like it was just me just I stopped 878 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.760 taking cover at some point, I'm just walking in the middle of these guys 879 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:22.960 and gun you all down, right, because you're standing there, And that's 880 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.519 what I do because I'm a gun. Like that's if you think about the 881 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.519 division too hard and try to apply logic to what you're doing. It's also 882 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.440 completely insane, right because it's like, how do you okay, okay, 883 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.119 these guys are just standing here, How do I know that they're looters? 884 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.519 It's just they're flagging them as enemies. Just yeah, they're they're really but 885 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:45.360 like, but these guys who are trying to break into this car or actually 886 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.480 you'll see a lot of people fighting in the street, like struggling back and 887 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.559 forth, and when you run through to like if you touch the the NPCs, 888 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.239 they kind of like stop what they're doing. So I, you know, 889 00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:58.920 the first few times I see that, I'm like, well, I'm 890 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.119 gonna run between these two people and break up this guy and this lady because 891 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:05.480 he's like, fucking I don't know what he's trying to do. Uh, 892 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:09.679 And and then they both get mad at you, at me for touching them, 893 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.719 and it's just like fuck this. But again, it's one of those 894 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.480 games that like if you if you stare at it really closely, there are 895 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:20.280 a billion things you can look at and go this should be better, Like 896 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.719 it's crazy that this is this way and all this sort of stuff, But 897 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:28.719 there's something to the core of it that works, just just a loop, 898 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:34.440 like just the upgrading and the well yeah, yes, but at the same 899 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.360 time, like the upgrades are not necessarily that rewarding because you're you know, 900 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.760 I beat the final level in the game, and I got a slightly better 901 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.400 AK forty seven than the one that I had, you know, And and 902 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:46.679 the thing is is, like you you look at the high end crafting that 903 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:50.639 starts to unlock, and you know, you can go into this PvP area 904 00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.559 of the dark Zone and try to extract items, and the theory would be 905 00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.559 that there would be even better AK forty seven's out there than the one that 906 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.400 I have. Right, even though I'm at the level cap and have a 907 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:07.199 and have a level thirty AK forty seven numbers game, I mean, you 908 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:12.280 are you are. Yeah, the weapons are all, at least that I've 909 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.599 seen so far, pretty similar, but you are getting little bit better numbers 910 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.880 constantly, at least at the start of the game, like constantly, constantly, 911 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.239 constantly. And it plays with range a lot, Like you know, 912 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:29.559 the optimal range of a weapon factors into like the basically the damage drop off 913 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:32.559 when you're not in that range is really significant. So yeah, it's a 914 00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.800 case where like, you know, I have a submachine gun that is way 915 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.840 more effective than my AK forty seven, but the range is shit, right, 916 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.920 So you know, most of the time I'm still using that AK forty 917 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.280 seven, and then it is switching over to the submachine gun when guys get 918 00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.840 close, right, So there's there's tactical interest there, which that's not unique 919 00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.800 to the division by any means, but it works. It does, It 920 00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:53.280 does work, and the game does reward it. Like I have a I 921 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:59.559 use a rifle that actually is a much less powerful gun numbers wise DPS, 922 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:04.480 because it gives you the numbers in DPS uh DPS wise is way lower. 923 00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.320 But I have like a fifteen times zoom scope on it, and I can 924 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.719 just headshot guys. So I just stay way back and the other guys will 925 00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:14.960 go up and flank and push guys out, and then I just head shot 926 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:19.400 him or blow up the explosive tanks on the guys, which is super satisfying. 927 00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.440 Yeah, are you guys? Are you guys bumping the difficulty when you 928 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:22.679 play with people? Or I mean, I guess it does that on it's 929 00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.599 so many scales. But it also has variable settings like it is that it 930 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:30.039 does. But that's so when you unlock the dailies, like the daily will 931 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:35.880 be what are the dailies? It's the story missions, So it's just like 932 00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.400 Destiny. They just pluck three of the missions out per day though on Saturday 933 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.840 and Sunday, like they didn't reset, so I don't know what the deal 934 00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.800 is. So like special special rewards, Yeah you'll get well, you'll get 935 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:50.360 more stuff, not even that special. It's like you'll get a level thirty 936 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.320 gear blueprint or something, or piece of gear, not even a blueprint, 937 00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:58.800 and and so and you oh, you'll get Phoenix credits, which are used 938 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.079 with a special vendor that sells the high end, the true high end stuff. 939 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.480 So that's kind of it's a separate currency for the high end loot. 940 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:12.679 That's a lot of like different vendors and Currenciason stuff because there's like the regular 941 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.119 vendor, there's the high end vendor that you can unlock, and then I 942 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.039 guess this is like the super high end basically, so what do you do 943 00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:22.800 with that stuff? But what is the greater challenge that you apply? That's 944 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:23.800 the thing is it is right now there isn't one. And in fact, 945 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:29.480 after you beat the game, there's an icon on the map for the next 946 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:31.519 piece of content that is not in the game yet. It pops up and 947 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:36.760 says coming soon in a free update, like it's the raid. Basically like 948 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.159 really, yeah, oh I didn't okay. Incursions they're called Oh, I 949 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.360 have no idea this was going to have anything like a raid. Yeah, 950 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.360 so they've got They put out a trailer that says here's what we're doing for 951 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.239 the first year, and it's the stuff that's coming as part of their season 952 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:51.480 pass. But they're also free updates. So it seems like the first raid 953 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.800 will come as for free, and then there's another update that they said will 954 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:59.079 be free, and then they've got three chunks that are part of their season 955 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.440 pass. They sai how many players that incursion is going to accommodate? I 956 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.719 don't know. I don't think so, but I would be shocked if it 957 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:07.920 was over for really, I would be shocked if they if they went with 958 00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:12.039 a higher player account than what they've got. Did they didn't They say something 959 00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.159 as part of that their first year plan that they were going to have item 960 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:20.039 trading. Yes, yes, lute trading amongst players, which is not in 961 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.000 yet. Sets so like armor sets and stuff like that, it's not in 962 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:27.880 And that's so that's what the reward you get when you hover over this first 963 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.239 raid. Uh it says set item, so like sets will come with that 964 00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:36.199 thing. What about so what about multiplayer and dark zone stuff? If you 965 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.480 messed with that, Yeah, I have It's it's really cool and I wish 966 00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:42.760 that there was more of it. I wish that it was something that they 967 00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.199 actually layered and it'll be divisive. Like it's one of those things that I 968 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.639 think, like some people will totally hate the way the Dark Zone works and 969 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.519 like it could be frustrating, But I think it would be a more interesting 970 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.400 game if they just took that and laid it over the entire game, yeah, 971 00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:00.760 instead of instead of confining it to this area. Right, have you 972 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:04.440 had the guys who try to get in front of you while you're shooting uh 973 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.239 NPCs to try to make me go you? That does not happened to me 974 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.440 yet, but that's that's a good trick start, and I might do that 975 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.960 to someone. But what I wish I could do is, because there's load 976 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.679 times associated with leaving a group, I wish I could just be in a 977 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.719 group, drop from the group, and before they notice what's going on, 978 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.280 I'm behind them shooting them. Like I would love to do shit like that. 979 00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:29.000 Like it needs to be devious, right, Like for that thing to 980 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:30.880 work well, two things. It needs to be devious and the lout needs 981 00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.280 to be good. That is one thing. Yeah, the loot needs to 982 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:37.199 be I've extracted fifty or sixty pieces of lute out of the Dark Zone over 983 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.199 the last three days, none of it's been anything special, Like it's been 984 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.079 like, oh well, here's a kneepads that are slightly better than the ones 985 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:46.639 that I have, Like it's that's cool, Like the numbers are get higher. 986 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.800 Yeah, but in terms of it actually being like a meaningful difference, 987 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.599 like no, it just hasn't been so early on. I got that cool 988 00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.519 like sticky grenade launcher thing, and I like the way that works a lot. 989 00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:59.840 But since that's a perk, can you level that up individually so that 990 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.159 just stays like they have the whole game. Yeah, I mean it'll do 991 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.320 more damage because you do more damage as you level of right, Okay, 992 00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.960 you know. So then functionally it's the functionally up. So there're mods, 993 00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:14.199 Yes, there are MODSI tech Tree, there's ability, talents, talents, 994 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.119 and purse, but in all of those tied to lbn RB right. Not 995 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:22.199 talents are passive, so you can you pick up to four passive abilities that 996 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.639 you want to have, okay, uh and then the so the abilities are 997 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:28.760 the things that are on your your l one R one like the sticky thing. 998 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.400 Yeah okay, And and so with that there are for every single ability, 999 00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:36.239 there are mods for that ability. And there are three perability that once 1000 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.480 you unlock a certain part in the tech tree, you gain the ability to 1001 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:44.320 modify your ability. Okay, uh and and so yes there's one. There 1002 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:45.119 are changes that you will be able to make to that, but that's the 1003 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:49.599 only change, just like bigger radius and basically and and then there's a master 1004 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.639 mod that unlocks when you fill out a full tech tree. The master mod 1005 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:58.239 automatic is automatically applied to all of your abilities in that in that tree, 1006 00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.159 in that section of the tree. What do you think about the perks and 1007 00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.960 ability Like the skilled tree of the game, I found that the passives, 1008 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.000 like the talents, I thought most of them were not a lot of them, 1009 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.119 like bit to the way I would play. Yeah, it was like 1010 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:15.960 when you move from cover to cover you get a bonus for ten seconds or 1011 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:17.880 something. It was like pretty esoteric. Yeah it take it or leave it 1012 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:22.679 stuff. Yeah, it's it's yeah. There was one. It's like for 1013 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.400 every like headshots have a fifty percent chance to not use AMMO, right, 1014 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.800 and I was like, well that might actually be useful because when guys get 1015 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.280 up close, you're just shooting them in the head over and over again until 1016 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.440 they die, right, And if I had more AMMO, that's true, 1017 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.440 you know, then it's just more DPS, Like there's there's math to that 1018 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:45.239 that you're just like that probably actually would would be okay to have Flashy, 1019 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.559 you know, they're like that. None of the bills actually are like, 1020 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.840 man, look at that guy. He's like shit, Jeff just uses super 1021 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.199 and fucking cleared out the block. Ever, like that just kind of doesn't 1022 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.480 happen. It's no flaming hammers. Right in this game. Shooting guys in 1023 00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.400 the head multiple times thing bothers me, Like I know what to type of 1024 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.679 again, like yeah, if you take like real New York and like, 1025 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.480 you know, it's like this could happen. Man, I had to shoot 1026 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:09.760 that guy in the head fifty times, Like I get it in Destiny, 1027 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.079 you know that that makes sense. But when it's just like a dude in 1028 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.159 a hoodie or something, it's like, all right, well this feels weird 1029 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.119 and shooting that many times, and especially you get into the bosses, and 1030 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.360 again that's another thing, like they're very limited by the real world setting, 1031 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.360 I feel like in terms of what they can do for bosses, and so 1032 00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:29.239 it becomes more arbitrary, you know, instead of having a guy who's like, 1033 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.840 okay, that guy's thirty feet tall. I understand why it takes six 1034 00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.920 million bullets to kill him. It's like, well, that guy looks about 1035 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.119 the same as everyone I've been fighting, except his health bar as a different 1036 00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.519 color, and he has a bunch of things. So it's a little bit 1037 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.920 of it. If he has a name, he's trouble. That's that's the 1038 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:51.840 rule in the division. But I am find I do find myself really like 1039 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.119 I'm sad I'm gonna be away from my PS four now for like the next 1040 00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.559 two weeks because I really do want to be playing it. All my friends 1041 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.519 are playing it right now. It's kind of that same thing his Destiny, 1042 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:04.280 where when I get online, I have like five or six or seven other 1043 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.719 people who are playing it. And the dark Zone stuff too. I really 1044 01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:14.719 like just a lot of you know, situations came about organically that I thought 1045 01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.800 were really interesting there that I haven't seen a lot of games, you know, 1046 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:21.480 Like, well, we were I was playing with a couple of friends 1047 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.360 and we were at an extraction point that we had extracted our stuff, and 1048 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.280 then we were another guy came up and was extracting. We're like, oh, 1049 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.400 let's help this guy, like while we're here and we were like killing 1050 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:34.639 NPCs and as he was starting to extract, somebody was like, wait, 1051 01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:37.079 why are we Why are we protecting this guy? And we're like, yeah, 1052 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.280 yeah, wait, if we kill that guy, we get his stuff, 1053 01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.519 right, And so like immediately, like right as he's going up, 1054 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.519 you know, your most vulnerable pants down moment where you're right about to tie 1055 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:52.880 your stuff onto the helicopter, just everyone inexplicably like to this poor guy. 1056 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.440 You know, we were helping him this whole time. It was like we 1057 01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:58.159 supssibly just turn on him. Yeah, it's like wait a second, this, 1058 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:00.639 why don't we just do that? And real harsh life lessons taking place 1059 01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:05.119 in the dark zone. So yeah, yeah, I've had moments I've only 1060 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.119 I haven't been into a four person group. And my understanding is that's the 1061 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.400 way to do it because most people are not. So if you're four people 1062 01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:14.199 on the same side, you can just number roll. Yeah. Can you 1063 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.480 go in the dark zone at any level? Yes? And there's any correction 1064 01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:21.480 from that, yeah, so it brackets you. Okay, So right now, 1065 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:22.559 So that was the thing that I had is I didn't spend a lot 1066 01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:25.199 of time in the Dark Zone until I hit the level cap and now I'm 1067 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:30.400 forced into the level thirty version of it. So it's just like you know, 1068 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.280 so you see thirty twos, you see a AI thirty twos in thirty 1069 01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.039 ones in the higher dark Zone areas and stuff like that. I hear you 1070 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.639 say something about level fifties. So you have a Dark Zone rank as well, 1071 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:45.679 and so there are things that and that's that's determined that basically prevents you 1072 01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.719 from buying stuff because unless you're the right Dark Zone rank, you can't purchase 1073 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:51.880 from the Dark Zone vendor. Is that is that the equivalent of like what 1074 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:53.360 is it Indaba three, like your paragone rank or whatever? Is that like 1075 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:58.199 your your second leveling progressions thirty? So it can go up and down. 1076 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.039 It's almost like a skill ranking because every time you die in the Dark Zone, 1077 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:05.960 you lose Dark Zone next realize, Yeah, okay, so it's it's 1078 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.480 it's basically a factor of like what you've been doing in the Dark Zone lately. 1079 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:13.280 Uh. And so I got in there with a dark Zone level of 1080 01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:16.360 like six and a player level of thirty, so I couldn't buy any Dark 1081 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:21.400 Zone loot because the vendors won't even sell it to you unless you're an appropriate 1082 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.639 level, which is frustrating because I have like twenty thousand Dark Zone bucks and 1083 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.360 you lose a percentage of that money every time you die, and I can't 1084 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:35.400 spend any of it, So I'm just fucked until I hit level thirty in 1085 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.679 this thing. And I guess they expected you to be kind of get but 1086 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.760 they don't necessarily, like like the game's progression doesn't do that. It doesn't 1087 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.159 point you in that direction. In fact, like when you beat the final 1088 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.679 story mission, there is this final thing that says like you should go see 1089 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.039 the Dark Zone for yourself. Like it's they're kind of like, hey, 1090 01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.199 here's something for you to do until we make new shit, right, That's 1091 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:59.599 that's there, Like the real game begins at thirty kind of yea, but 1092 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:05.440 I think that's that's that's not true here, it's it's yeah, I wish 1093 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.159 that would have been better about kind of having like more things to do in 1094 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:10.960 the Dark Zone, like missions that send you in there for a reason, 1095 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.840 like hey, you've got to extract this guy or this stuff to to just 1096 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:19.599 like kind of force players into that scenario. I guess they have to tread 1097 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.360 lightly with that stuff though, without being able to count on you being able 1098 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.000 to get people together at a given time, or like maybe your connection to 1099 01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.920 Spotty or something like right core story progression relying on a multiple I wonder if 1100 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.360 if if you're not a place, like if you're not a Xbox Live Gold, 1101 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:35.079 I wonder if you like where the limitations are there, because maybe there 1102 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.320 might be stuff around that too. But uh, yeah, the dark Zone 1103 01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.480 stuff is like really fascinating. It's the stuff that like made the Kane and 1104 01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.760 Lynch multiplayer sort of interesting. It was that thing of like, is this 1105 01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:46.159 a person going to turn on me? Right? It's like whereas Kane and 1106 01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:50.360 Lynch was that thing of like, well, there are three choke points in 1107 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.119 this level, and someone's gonna turn rogue every time because why wouldn't you? 1108 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.679 H This is now a lot more tense and a lot more like I don't 1109 01:03:55.719 --> 01:04:00.280 know. Yeah, that's really interesting. I mean sometimes you're like you find 1110 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:01.800 a guy and you'll be like oh, and you'll be like kind of doing 1111 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:04.760 a circle and then like, oh he has two friends, Okay, yeah, 1112 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.119 like hanging out. I was I was just looking at your loot, 1113 01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:12.920 like I was in a parking garage, gunning down looters as you do. 1114 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.760 Uh, And there was another human player there and we we wiped everybody out 1115 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.320 and that was that. And I looked and saw he only had two thirds 1116 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:24.719 of his health and he had and he had stuff. Yeah, and I 1117 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.480 was like, oh man, fuck this guy. I'm just like like that 1118 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:30.039 was that. And but when you get marked as a rogue, everyone that's 1119 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.840 on your server, yes, sees you on their radar. So like I 1120 01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:38.679 had basically have like I had ninety seconds that I needed to survive before I 1121 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:42.679 could be unmarked as a rogue and kind of flip back. And there's like 1122 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.159 a bounty on your head, not only the loot that you have, but 1123 01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.800 there's also the bounty. And so what's stopping you from going rogue, you 1124 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.320 know, getting the benefits from that? Leaving the dark zone? You can't 1125 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:55.159 leave. No, you can't leave the dark zone period. You can't leave 1126 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.480 the Dark Zone. If you're in combat. You have to extract with a 1127 01:04:59.480 --> 01:05:01.360 helicopter. No, no, there are there are doors in and out, 1128 01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.400 but if you can't take your loot with you unless you're extracted by helicopters, 1129 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.840 you have to go to to a point fire off a flare, and then 1130 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.960 there's a minute thirty countdown before the helicopter gets there. As soon as you 1131 01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:14.840 fire that flare, all the players know that someone is trying to extract, 1132 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.239 and sometimes a wave of AI will spawn to descend upon that extraction point, 1133 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:24.840 right and the point that I'm at right now, like every single enemy is 1134 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.639 at least like blue, meaning they at least have armor, and they're all 1135 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:32.000 level thirty bare minimum. So like, everyone that shows up is fucking savage, 1136 01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.719 whether it's a player over fucking AI. It's something I don't want to 1137 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:41.239 deal with. So running around alone is actually like fucking harrowing. But but 1138 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:44.679 I've done it. I've actually like run around alone and actually extracted a bunch 1139 01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:46.840 of shit. You just have to be fucking super careful about what you're doing. 1140 01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.480 The whole dark Sune thing sounds super fascinating and exciting, and I can 1141 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:54.159 see why you would wish they had built the whole game around there, yeah, 1142 01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:57.159 because it'd be a thing that like it would turn off the players because 1143 01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.360 it is, like, you know, it can feel unfair because I feel 1144 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:01.360 like, oh, these four guys rolled up on me and just smoked me. 1145 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.119 It's like well you need to run with a fucking pack, right, 1146 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:08.800 It would be a much more interesting game, even if it would be like 1147 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:12.719 far more divisive than it already is. If they had rolled that out, 1148 01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.480 it would be way more realistic. Yeah, for for damn sure, if 1149 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.760 you're gonna go out in the streets of like post apocalyptic New York, like 1150 01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.039 yeah, looting instead, it's this thing of like, well, the contamination 1151 01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:24.199 is really bad, so we don't know what's going on in there. We 1152 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.840 don't know if you murdered a bunch of your own people in there or not. 1153 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.559 Right, Yeah, which is you know, fine, Again, the 1154 01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:30.920 longer you look at the story that game, the dumber it gets. But 1155 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:36.519 right, uh yeah it's but yeah, there is something like the super super 1156 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:41.320 compelling about the game and to me, and not just the dark Stone stuff, 1157 01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.239 as much as it is repetitive, Like I will say, the the 1158 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:49.679 environments, like I don't see a lot of stuff repeating in the in the 1159 01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:54.599 environments of the different I don't know it's what they're called, like strikes or 1160 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.599 missions or whatever whatever kind of they are. It's like, oh, now 1161 01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.320 we're going into the subway. Story. Missions feel like this very like crafted 1162 01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.840 campaign you know, it feels like a lot of the game feels you know, 1163 01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.599 if you remove the online nature of it and stuff like that, this 1164 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:10.440 feels like a game that would have come out when Gears of War was real 1165 01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:15.199 hot, as like a Gears of War knockoff right the cover, it would 1166 01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:16.159 have been like fifty cent Blood on the Sand too. If this was a 1167 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:19.760 fifty cent game. If this was Blood on the Sand too, with all 1168 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:25.199 this online multiplayer ship, this game would be ten times as good. Yeah, 1169 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:27.840 Like I did the story mission last night where you go into Madison Square 1170 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:31.119 Garden. Yeah, they've set up like a massive like triage kind of stationed 1171 01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:32.760 in there, and yeah, it felt like it was like, dude, 1172 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.719 this I'm in the middle of this giant arena fighting these guys on like the 1173 01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:41.559 basketball quarter exactly. And there's another mission where there's a like a I forget 1174 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.000 if it's like the underground tunnels or something. They turn into a giant morgue 1175 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:46.760 and you walk into one place and it's just nobody makes a big point of 1176 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.239 it, but there's just body bags stock everywhere, and it's just like holy 1177 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:57.039 shit, Like there's a real feeling of place. Some heavy heavy imagery for 1178 01:07:57.079 --> 01:07:59.760 sure, yeah, everyone's in sounds like they don't do a whole up with 1179 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:01.679 No, they don't story wise, story wise, they don't, like they 1180 01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:03.679 kind of leave it to you to go, like this is pretty fucked up. 1181 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:06.599 But then like the it's even hard to tell, like there's a bunch 1182 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:11.000 of Christmas stuff up, so like the virus hit on Black Friday, but 1183 01:08:11.199 --> 01:08:15.320 like it's hard to get a read on win this game, like how many 1184 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.880 months have passed if this is like December after Black Friday or this is like 1185 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.640 it's just that they happened before Christmas and now it's it's still winter. But 1186 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.960 like so, so it couldn't have been that much time, and society has 1187 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.680 deteriorated at such a rapid rate that you're like, there's no, I don't 1188 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:31.760 don't know that this would be this bad, could be like a year this 1189 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.479 next Christmas. No I think. I don't think so I really recent. 1190 01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:39.600 Yeah, I mean there's like TVs and stuff. You'll see a broadcast every 1191 01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.840 once in a while, but it's all like messed up. But it's like, 1192 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.840 Okay, there's somebody in a studio somewhere, so it's that stuff's very 1193 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.960 strange. And then you know, all the you you find people trying to 1194 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.880 make money off of the recent happenings, So it seems like not that much 1195 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:57.359 time has passed. But it's like again, like it would take a long 1196 01:08:57.439 --> 01:09:01.439 time to fucking blow up all these cars and fucking block all these staircases and 1197 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.800 do all this stuff. Like you know, there aren't that many looters, 1198 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:09.359 especially if this like virus killed as many people as it did. And the 1199 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:12.239 streets are is barren as they are, like the game is empty, like 1200 01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:15.000 large parts of you running from one place to the other in the single player 1201 01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:17.920 part of the world and there's nothing to do except look at it and go, 1202 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:20.079 this is fucked up. But like, there aren't that many enemies out 1203 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:24.720 on the streets, uh, except for this is where the side missions are? 1204 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:27.399 Are there many real world cut scenes because I like the one at the 1205 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.880 very beginning with all the real world footage. It's really good. No, 1206 01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:33.359 there aren't that many, okay, but there are some within the game. 1207 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.760 There might be. There's a few. Yeah, there's a few, okay, 1208 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:41.920 but not not a bunch. I think you guys will keep up with 1209 01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:44.239 it, like you can come back for the incursion. Is it something like 1210 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.720 it would I would like to see what they do next. Yeah, like 1211 01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:50.239 they the game is good enough to where I want to know where it goes 1212 01:09:50.319 --> 01:09:58.359 from here, but I'm not, you know, it's there's no the dailies 1213 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.560 are not enough, and the thought of like slightly better loot is not enough. 1214 01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:04.960 It has to be something dramatically different, and I just don't know, 1215 01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:08.520 like the setting of the game being is realistic as it is, it is 1216 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:11.119 trying to be, not that it's you know, that realistic, but yeah, 1217 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.039 but for it to be a game where aliens would be out of place, 1218 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:16.439 for like a new class of weapon to be somewhat out of place, 1219 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.279 like, it's I don't know what they'll do, so I really want to 1220 01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:21.960 see what they will try to do, right, Yeah, it seems like 1221 01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:27.359 the same ongoing problem with Destiny and stuff of like console games with an MMO 1222 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.680 like framework but a console game like amount of content and just the distance that 1223 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:32.920 occurs between those two things. Well it's yeah, it's one of the things 1224 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.119 where it's like you yeah, you know, And I think Destiny courted this 1225 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:41.760 in a lot of ways with the mmore like trying to seem MMO like when 1226 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:45.520 really it's just Diablo, right, Like that game's just Diablo. This is 1227 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:48.399 just Diablo. This is just Borderland's Diablo, Hellgate London, like all that 1228 01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.960 sort of stuff. It's just the differences. Now it's a forced online connection 1229 01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:57.399 like Diablo three was, except they don't have an auction house to justify why 1230 01:10:57.479 --> 01:10:59.520 it's an online connection. Like, there are large parts of this game that 1231 01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.920 like if they've they don't because of how poorly they take advantage of its constant 1232 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:06.159 connection. Like I feel like if you're not in a group, then you 1233 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.079 shouldn't have to be online. Yeah, it's weird, Like when you get 1234 01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.560 in those communal areas, the safe houses, it does feel like cool and 1235 01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:18.199 exciting seeing the other players around and you're in like these little all the safe 1236 01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:23.560 houses are different and the one is a Ubisoft office. Is it really later? 1237 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.000 Like actually, actually the grow Home guy is hanging from the rafter Ubisoft 1238 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.399 logo on the wild that's unexpected. I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't have 1239 01:11:31.399 --> 01:11:34.159 been surprised if it had been like an Abstergo office or something. But to 1240 01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:40.640 straight up no, it's just straight up wow board game. Yeah, but 1241 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:44.680 it feels it feels because it feels like you're part of a larger something. 1242 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:47.079 It feels like the fiction of the game in that spot, and it does 1243 01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:50.199 feel like I wish, you know, public events are one of my favorite 1244 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.920 parts of Destiny, and I do wish that they would bring that aspect into 1245 01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:57.600 the single player outside of the would go a long way, because even even 1246 01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.359 pulling up like that map is really striking the first time. It's like, 1247 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.119 this is fucking Manhattan, Like the streets are laid out, like here's the 1248 01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:05.880 landmarks, like it's it's the sort of thing where like I didn't realize at 1249 01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:10.479 first that there wouldn't you wouldn't see other humans out in the world unless you 1250 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.600 grouped up with them, so like I would be in these side missions, 1251 01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.279 and I kept thinking, like, how come no one's just running up to 1252 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:16.800 shoot these guys with me? Like where the fuck is everybody? Like before 1253 01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.279 I kind of realized like, oh, because they're totally not connected to this 1254 01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:24.279 game, right uh. And and the game needs that the game needs like 1255 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:28.279 you need to walk by and see ship jumping off it actually has another human 1256 01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.880 involved and you run up and go, dude, I'm I'm with you, 1257 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.760 I'm gonna I'm gonna do this, because when that happens in the dark zone. 1258 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:35.479 It's it's fun sometimes, like you be fighting guys from the other side 1259 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:39.479 and at first you won't even realize it's another human. You think it's an 1260 01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.039 NPC, and then you kind of figure them. Before you know it, 1261 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.039 you've put four rounds into them and they're like, oh, well, I 1262 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.840 guess we're doing this now. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's really neat, 1263 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:50.960 but it's I wish it was better. There are parts of it that 1264 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.720 I'm just like, man, it's so close. We haven't really talked about 1265 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.880 the UI and stuff like that. To me, the drafting UIs is like 1266 01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:02.000 disgusting, just that UI everyone. It's just like million numbers. It's a 1267 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:05.199 million numbers, and it's missing some numbers that are actually crucial, right, 1268 01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:10.560 Like an aggregate armor value would be real helpful. Yeah, something that says 1269 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:15.039 doesn't have that, Yeah, because like it's hard to know. So it'll 1270 01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.279 have a bonus health on an item, right, and but maybe it's armor 1271 01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:20.560 stat is lower than your current armor and you're like, well, does this 1272 01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:25.680 bonus health offset what's the trade off? Yeah, what's the percentage of damage 1273 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.800 mitigation that this armor provides? Like they just need like they need a couple 1274 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:31.119 more arrows in there because they have a ton, but they're missing that one. 1275 01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:34.199 They take the step that Destiny should have of showing you your raw DPS 1276 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:38.439 on your weapon stuff. But on the defensive side, nuns and like comparing 1277 01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.920 weapon mods is not in there, so you'll have cases where like, you 1278 01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:44.920 know, the right weapon mod will change your DPS significantly because you have more 1279 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.520 shots in a magazine, you're doing more headshot damage. Like all these will 1280 01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.319 affect the overall number, right, But you when you go to like look 1281 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:56.039 in a store at a modes, it assumes your gun is unmoded, even 1282 01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:58.039 if it is, so it's like this is gonna be way better for your 1283 01:13:58.079 --> 01:13:59.600 gun, and I'm like, okay, awesome. Then I get to go, 1284 01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:01.319 oh, it's way worse than the one I already have equipped. Thanks, 1285 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:05.319 I had that problem. And equipping and unequipping mods in general is kind 1286 01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:09.880 of a pain and moving them from one to the next. And there's just 1287 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:14.319 a lot to the game, even even the map, like there's just a 1288 01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:18.880 ton going on that's not necessarily waited really well. And so you know, 1289 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:25.079 especially like the first ten hours, just like finding missions, it's like really 1290 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:29.760 difficult. I've only played the game for like maybe ninety minutes so far, 1291 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.159 but even like I'm, I feel like I miss I kind of like, 1292 01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:34.800 okay, I'm because I'm not one of those guys who plays a lot of 1293 01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:38.319 games like this all the time. Maybe it's just me, but it's super 1294 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.159 overwhelming at the start. I'm just like when they first put up the menu 1295 01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:43.920 that the sub menu where you can like equip stuff and everything, I was 1296 01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:45.880 just like completely lost. They don't help you at all. And then I 1297 01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.159 was like, okay, like maybe it's again because like I just don't play 1298 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.079 these all the time. But for me, this is like a huge turn 1299 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:55.880 off because I feel like, oh, I guess if you didn't play all 1300 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:57.800 the games leading up to this, you're not going to be able to get 1301 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.239 into this one because they expect you to have some prerequisite knowledge of how these 1302 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.199 things work. But to me, it was just like, okay, I 1303 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:06.119 gotta take a step back. It's it's definitely like the just the equip interface 1304 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:11.680 and all that stuff is not like super busy, nowhere near as elegant is 1305 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.159 like the way the Destiny handles it, right, Yeah, So that that 1306 01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:18.600 actually gave me new appreciation for the Destiny UI. Like I will say, 1307 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:25.239 like and and even like the perks and the mods on the perks and knowing 1308 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:28.720 everything of what you have equipped and what you can be equipping and stuff like 1309 01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.079 that. There's just there's a lot to it in the game, which is 1310 01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:34.800 cool in a way, but also like when you're just trying to navigate through 1311 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:39.520 it and switch things and get to a vendor and figure out is a better 1312 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:42.600 than B or not, Like, then it can get a little a little 1313 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:46.079 annoying. Yeah, and the crafting system does stuff like there's three tiers of 1314 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:49.319 crafting materials and it won't tear it up for you. Like, if you're 1315 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:53.239 trying to craft a high end item, you need high end materials. You 1316 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:56.720 can take five mid tier materials and turn it into one high end material, 1317 01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:00.279 but you have to do all that process manually. You can't just go like, 1318 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.199 well, I haven't a raw low level materials to tear up to the 1319 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:05.319 high end materials and then make the items. Just do it form button and 1320 01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:08.880 it all happen. And it's not even a press. It's a hold you 1321 01:16:08.960 --> 01:16:13.680 have to hold and let a meter to like create one mid tier Like it's 1322 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.279 it's stuff that you're just like, man, I get why you don't want 1323 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.000 people to accidentally tear their ship up, because there's no way to tear it 1324 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:24.119 back down. But fucking come off. You're pushing in those thumbsticks a lot. 1325 01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:26.640 Yeah, yeah, just give it, give it like one extra prompts, 1326 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:28.560 just be like, are you sure you want to break all this stuff 1327 01:16:28.600 --> 01:16:30.960 into it? Right? It's got a lot of cool things too, like 1328 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.920 like when you're matchmaking, you can go about your business and once it finds 1329 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.720 a game you just a little thing will appear on your hud saying push in 1330 01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:42.319 the thumbstick. But it's again, it's one more thing on a big screen 1331 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.119 of a lot of it. The first few times, it's like where, 1332 01:16:45.159 --> 01:16:45.840 how do you even get it? To get it? Oh? Oh it's 1333 01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.640 okay, won't You won't even notice it. And a lot of stuff is 1334 01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:53.960 going on down in the corner. There's messages coming to you that are completely 1335 01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:58.039 missible. The PC version has chat doesn't. In the lower left corner there's 1336 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.319 just straight up people just spouting show just like chat yell. It's just like 1337 01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:05.039 wow. And so by default it's turned off when you're out in the world. 1338 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.840 It's only on in social spaces, but I decided. I mean I 1339 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:11.840 sort of sort of did it to myself on that version of the game. 1340 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.239 I was like, I want to see what's what people are actually talking about, 1341 01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:18.760 and it's all just it's straight up Barren's Chattel exact. It's yeah, 1342 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:24.560 it's weird, it's a it's a it's a weird interesting game. It's fascinating 1343 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.920 something, and you go back. I went back and watched that twenty thirteen 1344 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:30.960 trailer that they put together and like, doesn't look that good. That was 1345 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:33.239 that, But that stuff is in the game. It is Yeah, And 1346 01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:38.640 even the door they make a big point of calling out the trophy for door 1347 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:42.199 shutting trophy and then like your creative care. Yeah the first thing on the 1348 01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.399 door, it's like, no, we really got the door shutting thing. 1349 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:47.439 I think at some point that was them realizing that this thing is a dumb 1350 01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:51.079 fucking joke, that their door closing thing had become stupid, and the nut 1351 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:56.000 Bucket just own it own our dumb thing, all right. Fine. I 1352 01:17:56.079 --> 01:18:00.680 wish that there was actually like a layer of like stupid stat tracking game of 1353 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:02.439 like how many doors have you closed? Right? Yeah, trunks have you? 1354 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:05.479 Yeah? Jumped on? You know what actually now that I think of 1355 01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:12.840 that demo, what about the drone thing with the with the so yeah that 1356 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.279 that that's it's not there. I guess that was That is the one thing. 1357 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:18.479 Yeah, I forgot about. I wonder if they would have dropped that 1358 01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:21.119 because it's like there was that era where that was like kind of happening. 1359 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:25.600 Like I thought four I think doesn't really well for like just like HUD or 1360 01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:28.880 just you know, offloading your menu screen. It's at DS at that point, 1361 01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:31.319 you're just doing your inventory ship down here. But like that Need for 1362 01:18:31.399 --> 01:18:34.920 Speed game had an iPad thing that was just like map of the game and 1363 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.800 you could tap on another racer and like give him more nitro or take it 1364 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.600 away, like depending on what you're into that moment. And it was just 1365 01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:45.319 like like I'm gonna make a helicopter with that dude, and it's like to 1366 01:18:45.439 --> 01:18:48.000 what end? Like it was just seemed like this thing that they didn't really 1367 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:51.359 know why they wanted it there. Like Watchdogs had it pretty heavy, right, 1368 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:56.119 didn't they have a sex screen. I don't know that that actually shipped, 1369 01:18:56.479 --> 01:19:00.520 huh, because I definitely I definitely saw it at the view event for 1370 01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:02.279 watch I remember kind of tablet they're going like, hey, you should really 1371 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:05.119 try out this app. Yeah. I don't know that that actually made it 1372 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:10.479 into the final game or not. I don't remember. Uh, but Watchdogs 1373 01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:13.319 tried to do multiplayer stuff where it was like you were never you weren't quite 1374 01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:15.920 sure if that was a human or not. But that, I mean, 1375 01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:18.680 it's a it's an idea with a ton of merit and like a ton of 1376 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.600 potential depth. Yeah, if they get it right and flush it out, 1377 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.359 all right. But it's like, you know, I'm not gonna I'm sitting 1378 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.039 on the bus and I'm calling in air support for my friends, like no 1379 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.600 one, you know, No, No, that's not happened. Too busy 1380 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:32.720 opening chests on the bus exactly. Yeah you got chest to open. Yeah, 1381 01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:35.359 I've got pornography to look at like this. You know, phones are 1382 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:40.159 like important tools. Sure, I will say, even though even though it 1383 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:45.680 does not look as good as that trailer which looked unlieve that he's the PC 1384 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:49.680 version though, looks really really nice, I mean looks amazing. Yeah. 1385 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.000 I think it looks good on PS four, like there's some some level of 1386 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.199 detail like stuff like I'm staring at a wall and it's taking twenty seconds for 1387 01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:59.520 the right texture to pop in. Uh, you mess with that, But 1388 01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:02.680 I mean the level of detail in the environments and the level of non repeating 1389 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:08.720 or just like how things are used like that constantly has been impressing me with 1390 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:14.359 the game just like really really like you know, it's really I think hard 1391 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.640 to do that kind of like Last of Us stuff is destroyed and there's paper 1392 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:21.720 everywhere and whatever in a convincing way that doesn't repeat every you know, yeah 1393 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:28.359 ten yards or something like that, and like that that has really like super 1394 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.600 impressed me with this game. Like just exploring I'm really enjoying just because of 1395 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:36.840 you know, exploring fucked up destroyed New York like on its own, it's 1396 01:20:36.840 --> 01:20:41.720 pretty cool. But we will have to check in with the division periodically. 1397 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:45.760 Yeah, forward, I don't know, some number of months. We'll see, 1398 01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:47.239 as more stuff comes out, we'll see. Really the next update is 1399 01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:51.960 pretty soon, right like next month they're talking about for update is this is 1400 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:56.119 the Incursion the first thing that's coming out that'll be a free update, because 1401 01:20:56.119 --> 01:20:58.880 that's straight up how Destiny did it? If you remember, like Multiclass wasn't 1402 01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.520 available for a week or two for launch, Yeah, I would hope that 1403 01:21:01.520 --> 01:21:05.199 it would be coming quick because like it needs a thing, it needs an 1404 01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:09.520 endgame things, especially as more and more people hit the cap. Yeah, 1405 01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:12.600 I do people do people that hit thirty like a day or two after it 1406 01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:14.479 came out. Yeah, it took me. I mean I've I played that 1407 01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:17.560 game about forty hours. Uh. And if I had been way more focused 1408 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:20.720 on just like getting shit done, like I probably could have hit the cap 1409 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:25.399 in thirty. Yeah. Well we will have to check back in sure. 1410 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:28.399 All right, Jason, I understand that you have brought something for the class. 1411 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:30.960 Oh yeah, actually yeah, Salt and Sanctuary. Yes, sooks in 1412 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.119 me pretty hard. Actually, that just kind of snuck up out of nowhere. 1413 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:38.479 Yeah, I's sound real soon right, Yeah, it's out today week, 1414 01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:40.800 Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, we said we did an unfinished 1415 01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.279 of this, I think last year during GDC. It's been in development for 1416 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:46.239 a couple of years. But the real quick pitch is that this is a 1417 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:49.680 two D Dark Souls and they are completely unabashed. Like a lot of those 1418 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:55.399 mechanics have carried over to this, like two D like platformer as far as 1419 01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:58.600 like you know, weapon scaling, you know, you get like decks based 1420 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:00.359 weapons and stuff and you know, string scaling and whatnot. A lot of 1421 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:04.279 the classes are the same. The dark Gothic you know, esthetic is still 1422 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.720 the same. I mean even the UI. Like I did the playing on 1423 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.439 that video we did at GC last year and I was just like struck by, 1424 01:22:11.079 --> 01:22:13.720 like even the equipment interface and stuff. It's just like, yeah, 1425 01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:15.680 this is the Studios game, right. Yeah, it's one of their joints. 1426 01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:18.760 So, you know, love or hate like their art style that's still 1427 01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:21.920 you know, prevalent in this. I kind of like it. It's kind 1428 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:26.640 of like a sketch uh style of kind of nitty gritty, you know, 1429 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:31.119 but where it starts looking looks a little bad as when stuff scales in and 1430 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:34.439 you'll see kind of the rough, rough edges. But for the most part, 1431 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:36.439 you know, but it's scaled it one hundred percent. You know, 1432 01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:40.479 it looks I think it looks great. So and a lot of the environments 1433 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:43.960 are you know, very well varied. Does the combat happened at the same 1434 01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:46.199 like pace as a Dark Soul can so at first, you know, it 1435 01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:49.640 felt a little mashy and almost arcady, kind of similar to their their other 1436 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:55.479 games. Yeah, that's just like cry type thing almost. Yeah, there's 1437 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:58.239 a little bit of that, like you know, air juggles. But so 1438 01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.520 I was mashing my way through it, I think, you know, the 1439 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:02.279 first like hour or two and I'm like, wow, this doesn't really feels 1440 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:04.840 like a Souls game. But shit changed after a while. You know, 1441 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.840 attack patterns of enemies, you know, they start putting up the shields, 1442 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:12.600 that start dodging. You'll find other enemies that start casting magic and you know, 1443 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.319 specific patterns, so you're not like running around to their back or anything 1444 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:17.319 like in Dark Souls you can actually, So there's like an invincible role and 1445 01:23:17.399 --> 01:23:23.279 that's kind of how they work that into the into the system. So because 1446 01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:27.039 you know this is role, there is fat Yeah. So it's yeah, 1447 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.439 it's based on you know, your weights and you know you're encumb rents and 1448 01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:32.119 whatnot. So yeah, if you found too much shit, you you fat 1449 01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:35.119 roll and the screen will shake and everything. But yeah, I'm looking for 1450 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:40.119 like, you know, tells and attack patterns now and I'm getting worked until 1451 01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:43.800 I start learning that stuff. So in that respect, it's very very Dark 1452 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.279 Souls combat wise. And you know, all the environments, you know, 1453 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:49.840 all the different areas are interlinked, you know, between you know, different 1454 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.960 passages, you can walk from one end to the other, or you can 1455 01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:56.680 fast travel as well, climb up thing, drop a ladder down. Yeah, 1456 01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:59.119 exactly, you don't have to climate again, is there is there a 1457 01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.840 risk reward thing in terms of when you die getting your stuff back totally. 1458 01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:04.800 Yeah, So you'll drop all your salts, which is your souls essentially, 1459 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:09.520 and and the like. It'll actually manifest in the enemy that killed you. 1460 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.279 If you if you happen to like full pit or something like, there'll be 1461 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:15.840 this other worldly creature that will pop up that has your soul, so you 1462 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.159 can go back to that area and then get those specially called dark salts. 1463 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:23.119 Yep. So it's like in Dark Souls when like sometimes you go back and 1464 01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:26.279 one of the guys has like glowing eyes and it's actually right yep. Yeah, 1465 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:28.159 so if it's yeah, if it's not just lying on the grounds, 1466 01:24:28.279 --> 01:24:30.479 it's in an enemy. But this is like a two deep platformer as well, 1467 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:36.000 so it's not particularly challenging platforming, but there's it's it's very prevalent and 1468 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:40.319 it's not it's not harsh, like there's not a lot of platforms. It's 1469 01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.319 just like fall out underneath you or anything like that. But there's a lot 1470 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:47.119 of like gated abilities as far as like a map traversal, like eventually you'll 1471 01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:51.800 unlock the ability with these brands where you can like reverse the shift of gravity 1472 01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:56.960 and like walk on the ceiling or unlock wall jumps. So that's that's that's 1473 01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.039 very very different from type stuff exactly. And I didn't want invoke the metroid 1474 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:04.520 vein, right, but there's there's certainly yet it's it's deep in that sounds 1475 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:10.000 very Symphony of the Night exactly. Yeah, I get that vibe as well. 1476 01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:12.119 So it's yeah, it's got a cool, cool look. It feels 1477 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:16.640 really good, and like all these bosses have been just amazing and they're not 1478 01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:19.319 like on the really cheap side, which is you know something that I was 1479 01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:21.640 afraid of with this being you know, like you know, like a two 1480 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:27.000 D kind of game. Yeah, everybody's got you know, a very distinct 1481 01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.600 pattern stuff you can you can get through this game without getting hit essentially. 1482 01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:33.279 So, but the first time getting to a boss like a dark soulds you're 1483 01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:36.720 gonna get killed, You're gonna get okay, yeah, yeah, okay, 1484 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:41.079 And yeah, there's been several instances in which I've actually had to like change 1485 01:25:41.119 --> 01:25:44.680 up gear. There's there's a situation where like I got this blacksmith gear, 1486 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.359 which it doesn't do shit against like you know, the physical attacks, but 1487 01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:51.000 it's got a really high uh like fire resist, so I thought a drag 1488 01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.560 it. Actually that was just like primarily fire attacks. So I had to 1489 01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.920 equip that stuff. I had lower defense, but I lived through through that 1490 01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.079 stuff. So there's some tactical stuff going on. Does this have even kind 1491 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:04.520 of the like vague dark souls items where yeah, I was gonna touch on 1492 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:08.000 that too. So there's a lot of cryptic shit in there, and I 1493 01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:10.960 don't know exactly you know, what a lot of the stuff does, and 1494 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:14.319 you know, perhaps so you know, for for good or for bad. 1495 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:17.760 You know, it carries over that cryptic stuff. So I'm anxious to see 1496 01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:24.359 people experiment with certain items to find out exactly what they do, because I 1497 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:27.239 don't know for sure. Is there any kind of dark souls, you know, 1498 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.720 like summoning other players to help you sort of thing, any kind of 1499 01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:31.840 multiplayer There is a little bit of co op, and I don't think it 1500 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:36.479 drags in additional players, So you have to let me, let me step 1501 01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:41.199 back. Actually, So each sanctuary or like Bonfire as it were. You 1502 01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:46.560 can offer up these stone idols which serve as NPCs, a blacksmith, somebody 1503 01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:50.199 that will transmute stuff, some get that just sells items or whatever. But 1504 01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:55.279 there's also a stone cell sword which acts as like a multiplayer component, so 1505 01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:58.279 you offer that up and then a second player can jump in, but I 1506 01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:01.399 think they're tied to, like it, a pregenerated character, so I don't 1507 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.680 think that you can. You don't bring your character in exactly. So, 1508 01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:09.560 so they do have, yeah, a small multiplayer component, to what extent, 1509 01:27:09.640 --> 01:27:11.880 I'm not exactly sure. I haven't been able to test that yet, 1510 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:15.760 but yeah, it's it's like almost as deep as a regular Souls game and 1511 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:18.560 it plays well. I'm dude, yeah all weekend PC? Or is this 1512 01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:21.479 coming on PS four? Yeah? This is just PS four right, nice, 1513 01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:26.399 So it's not out yet, not not on PC. I think there's 1514 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.199 some exclusivity, so going on okay, but yeah, Vida's coming soon, 1515 01:27:30.239 --> 01:27:32.520 I guess, and then I assume PC later on. I don't know the 1516 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:36.800 extent, but what was the name of the super crappy, super quickly released 1517 01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.319 actual two D Souls game that Namco put out Like a couple of weeks. 1518 01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:46.279 Yeah, I never I never bothered with that is I saw people saying not 1519 01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:49.119 not very nice things. I was curious if anyone ever tried that. It 1520 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.840 looked it was like a Runner pious. Yeah, OK, basically, well, 1521 01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:57.840 I mean it had combat in it, but it was Yeah anyways, 1522 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:00.880 actually did that because I I heard about it and figured it was like someone 1523 01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:03.439 trying to like, you know, make some kind of bootlegs it. It 1524 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:10.640 is totally games. It was just spot somebody thought, but it was the 1525 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:14.960 people trying to cash in on a quick buck was actually I mean, it's 1526 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:17.680 free, but are there in that purchases and stuff? I don't even want 1527 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.520 to know. I kind of assumed it was just like an advertisement, like 1528 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:24.800 a promotional game. Yeah, basically it kind of was, even though it's 1529 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:29.079 not really released around any but I think the idea with those, they're supposed 1530 01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:30.079 to be fun, you know, like it kind of works the other way. 1531 01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:32.720 If it's no good, you just kind of well. There was that 1532 01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:36.920 weird tech and galaxian thing or technic gallic thing where you just like, yeah, 1533 01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.119 it's like here's Heyachi's head shooting, its space shifts. I'm like I'm 1534 01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:43.479 into this. Yeah, And it fits right in with the tech and lure. 1535 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:47.159 Yea, so well, great lord goes deep. I'm downloading, I'm 1536 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:53.479 downloading slashy So all right, it says it's straight up says tune in next 1537 01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:57.439 week, Endless Death, Endless Runner game play. There you go, So 1538 01:28:57.880 --> 01:28:59.680 there you go. There you go. They should have made it. They 1539 01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:01.920 should an idle game. If you made something where they can tap slash you 1540 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.119 know, how could a game you know, with its name pattern after Flappy 1541 01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:12.720 Bird souls not be amazing. I don't know the dark souls of Flappy It 1542 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:15.279 already it already finished downloading in the time. And then since I said that 1543 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:18.680 I started as the real Flappy Bird starts here. I must be an elaborate 1544 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:23.159 experience. Flappy Bird ever come back? Now? He was talking about bringing 1545 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.239 it back, so yeah, really, okay, I remember that break like 1546 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:28.279 two weeks I think it came back. Yeah, people were selling like iPhones 1547 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:30.159 for like fifteen hundred bucks. That had it all. Then he did he 1548 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:33.840 did a different game, but was it didn't really set the world on fire 1549 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:38.920 the way Flappybird did. That came was cool though, Yeah, all right, 1550 01:29:39.479 --> 01:29:42.239 it feels a little bit like folly to do a new session on the 1551 01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:45.119 at the beginning of GDC week, when all of the news is yet to 1552 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:48.399 follows why we have two podcasts but yes, and why we do one every 1553 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:51.560 week? East course, East Coast Correspondence can pick up some of the slack 1554 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:57.159 later this week. But stuff is starting to come out of GDC. Chris 1555 01:29:57.279 --> 01:30:00.840 Charlotte from Microsoft posted U a little I don't know what was it, kind 1556 01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:04.760 of just a id at Xbox. Yeah, he was going on with ideat 1557 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:09.319 xbox kind of thing. Uh And the big kind of the only real big 1558 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:12.000 piece of news out of that is that they are now going to start allowing 1559 01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:16.920 cross network play between Xbox PS four and PC. Oh really yeah yeah P 1560 01:30:17.199 --> 01:30:20.920 four Huh. Well, Sony agreed as well. I My understanding was that 1561 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:25.239 Sony was always kind of into the idea, or at least like not opposed 1562 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:27.760 to it. I feel like I've heard developers say that, like, yeah, 1563 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:30.000 we would love to do it, but Microsoft won't let us, right, 1564 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:31.239 And it was all and it was always it was never Sony won't let 1565 01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:35.199 us. It seemed like it was always Microsoft won't let us. So maybe 1566 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:36.960 this is just one of those things where they finally just said, like a 1567 01:30:38.039 --> 01:30:41.600 screw it. There's been some like PS four PC, Cross Capet Right Street 1568 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:45.640 Fighter, Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff. Can't remember there an Xbox 1569 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:49.119 One games that do this. Yeah. I think Rocket League League said yeah, 1570 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:54.279 idar b will or dar visits Yeah, in some kind of public test 1571 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:56.520 right now. I guess it's not out on PC quite yet. In the 1572 01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.079 in the grand tradition of Shadow Run, yes, it was a Shadowrun. 1573 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:04.039 What was the other one, University War? I think that's right there. 1574 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:08.760 Their two games experiment from like a decade ago, Gas Windows Lives speaking of 1575 01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:12.880 heel spheres, yes, indeed. Well yeah, with Division We're which we 1576 01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:14.960 were just talking about. I've seen a lot of people being like, I 1577 01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:17.840 wish you know these people are playing on PC even just yes four PC on 1578 01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:23.039 that one, but totally I just got fucking Rocket League on Xbox and we've 1579 01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:25.880 been just wiping the floor with people over there. But how it's gonna be, 1580 01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.560 They're gonna open up the damn. I want to say that the part 1581 01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:32.239 of this announcement came with something that was they said, like, you'll always 1582 01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:34.960 be able to restrict it to just xboxes if you want, so, you 1583 01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:39.760 can always beat up on Xbox players that haven't had Rocket League as long as 1584 01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:45.199 you have. We went fifteen and three this weekend. Oh godown's proscited about 1585 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.239 that. That March Madness basketball that looks great, that looks crazy. Yeah, 1586 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.520 like all of their experimental maps and stuff, that's really cool. That 1587 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.800 is really smart of them, because I'm like, I don't Okay, Rocket 1588 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.800 League is Rocket League. It's great, but where can you really go with 1589 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:01.640 it from here except the back to the future car car. They've almost been 1590 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:05.720 like doing this telltale thing of like let's just get every other ip we can 1591 01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:12.159 into our engine Superman car or whatever. We get the Turtle van next. 1592 01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.279 Oh yeah, I was, I was in the same spot. I'm like, 1593 01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:15.680 man, they've really refined this gameplay. I'm like, you know, 1594 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:19.039 how do you change this up other than just kind of like elevating the surface. 1595 01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:21.960 And they did that with like the Big Chaos a Chaos map or whatever. 1596 01:32:23.079 --> 01:32:27.079 But but now with like the Chaos Labs, like fucking shit is like 1597 01:32:27.239 --> 01:32:30.720 in a big circle. It's it's crazy and it definitely in there yet or 1598 01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:34.239 will that inevitably come out when the new movie comes down? Okay, that's 1599 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.680 going to have They're kind of all over the place now, like the buggy 1600 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:41.359 from that new Dying Light DLC is now being added to Rocket League like kind 1601 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.119 of like any any and every car they can get their hands on the show 1602 01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:47.760 web application for me. You just fill out your car make it. Yeah. 1603 01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.760 I just took a look at this thing that Charla posted and it's amazing. 1604 01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:56.960 They spend two paragraphs on this thing without ever uttering the word PlayStation. 1605 01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:01.760 Yeah, how do they allude to other other consoles? Is that what it 1606 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:04.479 says? And yeah, I'll just read the first part. In addition to 1607 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:09.520 natively supporting cross platform play between Xbox One and Windows ten games that use Xbox 1608 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:12.560 Live, also, they keep referring to Windows ten in this So is it 1609 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:15.920 gonna have to be a Windows ten store game? Probably take advantage of the 1610 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.159 stuff. Yes, so far that has been where they've where they have placed 1611 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:23.520 it. Yea, so yes, well but the Rocket League is but but 1612 01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:27.880 it's so but they did all that work themselves, right and on the PS 1613 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.680 four originally. So this is this is the change, right is that x 1614 01:33:30.119 --> 01:33:32.920 like Microsoft is now like okay, you can figure it out, but the 1615 01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:36.520 lot to come up without that same metal layer. That's like the Street Fighters 1616 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:40.600 did, right of, Like here's your Rocket League name. But they're not 1617 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.760 going to prevent developers from doing that themselves if they want, right, sounds 1618 01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.079 like it, Okay, sounds like it anyway, I'll Yeah, this means 1619 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:49.319 players on Xbox One and Windows ten using Xbox Live will be able to play 1620 01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:55.840 with players on different online multiplayer networks, including other console and PC networks. 1621 01:33:56.039 --> 01:33:59.640 Just three ds, will you? Yes? Yes, yeah, Rocket League 1622 01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:02.560 coming in And then yeah, they straight up say Rocket League is going to 1623 01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:06.880 be one of the first games will offer this. Yes, I've purchased the 1624 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:11.239 game three times now, well that's that's all three right, So yeah, 1625 01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:15.920 done? Covered? Yeah this this this is cool. Yeah, this should 1626 01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.560 have happened a while ago. Totally. Then it's probably only happening because of 1627 01:34:19.640 --> 01:34:24.239 Microsoft's place in the market, I think, so I have to assume, 1628 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:28.760 right, yeah. I mean when you take this into account with the stuff 1629 01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:31.399 from Spencer talking about like maybe the Xbox One is not as lockdown as you 1630 01:34:31.520 --> 01:34:34.640 think, maybe we would make a better one someday, right, Like this 1631 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:40.600 just seems like, well, these are all policies that my predecessors put into 1632 01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:44.159 place when we were the dominant platform in the marketplace. That is not the 1633 01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:48.000 case. Let's give people more reasons to work with us and play here and 1634 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:51.199 do all this other stuff. Like they're they're doing things that they would have 1635 01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:56.359 done. They're doing things that they didn't have to do because they were the 1636 01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:58.479 leader last time around, you know, and they're just like fuck it, 1637 01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:00.880 man, people are gonna come to us no matter because we're number one. 1638 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.279 Yep. Now they're kind of not. So it seems like every major you 1639 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:05.720 know, at some point when you're the number one console, you kind of 1640 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:09.760 go through these life lessons. I mean, PS four was a result of 1641 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:12.960 PS three being just the total clusterfuck for the first few years, right, 1642 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:15.720 and so but the I guess the question is whether you can bounce back. 1643 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.720 So you kind of got to hope they can do that without Xbox just turning 1644 01:35:18.760 --> 01:35:21.560 into a total PC platform, because that's not what I want anyway, Yeah, 1645 01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:26.000 like losing what makes it unique. But it's at this point, like 1646 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:29.720 you know, most console games make their way to the PC. So at 1647 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:32.000 some point, like you know, you just want something that would be easy 1648 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:35.039 to use for people that don't want to dick around with a piece right right 1649 01:35:35.119 --> 01:35:38.479 right, And at some point you have to wonder, like, well, 1650 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:42.279 Microsoft just start making the equivalent of like a steam Box just for their Windows 1651 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:45.920 ten store, which sounding more and more like that, Yeah, yeah, 1652 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:47.760 these days especially, But yeah, that was a lot of the underhood stuff 1653 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.920 that they did the Xbox One by making it run Windows ten in the background 1654 01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:57.239 and all this other stuff like to allow them to kind of unify these platforms 1655 01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.720 in a way. And I just think they're realized it in a way that 1656 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:04.640 maybe no one anticipated, or faster than maybe than anyone thought. I always 1657 01:36:04.640 --> 01:36:08.319 thought it would be like you know, some late Xbox One thing or maybe 1658 01:36:08.399 --> 01:36:11.600 like hey, we're laying the groundwork for whatever the next platform is, but 1659 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:15.399 because of you know, you know, the business and where they've ended up 1660 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.760 and just kind of the overall console business and where that's at and where that 1661 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:25.279 will go. Like in some ways, like it feels like this is like 1662 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:29.279 both a reaction to maybe their position in the market, which is, you 1663 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:31.119 know, not huge underdogs or anything like that that you know they're not, 1664 01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:35.000 they're not the lead platform, but also maybe trying to anticipate where things are 1665 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:39.840 gonna go, right, and it's this weird I don't know, if they 1666 01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:42.520 pull it off, it could be really awesome. And and and moves like 1667 01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:44.840 this or you know the benefit of like, you know, hey, let's 1668 01:36:44.880 --> 01:36:49.319 just fucking play video games together and stop fucking around. I know, if 1669 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:51.760 I was, you know, solely an Xbox guy, you know this, 1670 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:55.720 this would make me feel a little bit better about my purchase. Sure, 1671 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:59.279 I've got a ton of friends on PlayStation that are in the division I would 1672 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:00.199 love to be able to. Yeah, I think the proof is going to 1673 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:04.600 be once those big games, the destinies, the divisions, stuff like that 1674 01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:10.000 actually does implement it. Like I don't know if there's other politics or other 1675 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:14.359 things involved where they that would still not happen. But if that exclusivity can 1676 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:18.079 happen, if that happens for Destiny too, that's like, that's that's the 1677 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:20.960 ultimate goal, right, Like you can just play with everybody that's playing the 1678 01:37:21.000 --> 01:37:26.039 game and don't have to worry about people like I'm never gonna play Destiny characters 1679 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:27.920 on two platforms, you know, right, but if I could play with 1680 01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:30.119 the people I know that only play it on the Xbox like that, that 1681 01:37:30.199 --> 01:37:32.159 is gigantic. The sort of stuff where you almost want like this to extend 1682 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:34.840 in a weird business way, like you know, this is what rock band 1683 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:39.640 delC should have been it should have been by it once play it everywhere right. 1684 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.279 The licensing on that end is a nightmare, right, and they didn't 1685 01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.159 do the deals that way to begin with. But it'd be great, should 1686 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:48.600 be too, right, Yes, exactly, like cross play cross by like 1687 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:53.079 for as many platforms as that makes sense, like rope everybody in like. 1688 01:37:53.159 --> 01:37:57.560 There's no reason to block people out anymore. It's just the business is not 1689 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:00.239 the same as it used to be. It doesn't, it doesn't work like 1690 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:01.800 that. When you started that announcement, I thought you were going to say 1691 01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:05.600 they were finally doing the because it is GDC, they were finally doing the 1692 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:11.039 like flipping the switch or whatever they have to do to turn every console into 1693 01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:15.960 a death are supposed to happen. There was a recent quote from Spencer I 1694 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:17.600 think out of this maybe out of the Spring showcase that where he was like, 1695 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.479 I still think that's a really great idea. We have nothing to announce 1696 01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:25.760 a great idea. What happened to its three years ago? Yeah? Yeah, 1697 01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:30.079 it was a great idea, yea, And totally what happened? Is 1698 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:33.359 it like a technical thing? I think that yes, yeah, yeah, 1699 01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:36.960 but I think it's one of those things that they probably will eventually do. 1700 01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:43.119 But yeah, okay, I don't know. People make games on the PC 1701 01:38:43.199 --> 01:38:45.159 and then they bring them wherever they want, like you know, it's and 1702 01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:48.039 it sounds like that they originally thinking that this would be the way to like 1703 01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:53.199 get dev kits to everybody quickly, but instead they've just been sending dev kits 1704 01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:55.800 to almost anyone who asks. So it seems like, you know, Xbox 1705 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:59.800 One dev kits have not been hard to come by for like developers that are 1706 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.239 paperwork and doing all this stuff, so it seems like that they're at least 1707 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:04.840 doing right by those people. But then you end up like this was supposed 1708 01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:08.760 to be like the XNA replacement, like anyone can develop. That's what I 1709 01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:11.199 thought it would be, this big grassroot, and they just haven't done. 1710 01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:13.840 They took a step backward in that area in a lot of ways also with 1711 01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:15.600 like Live Arcade just kind of going away, Like I thought those were all 1712 01:39:15.680 --> 01:39:18.279 things they did really well last gen that they sort of just dropped the ball. 1713 01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.760 What's hard? I mean, you know, how do you guys think 1714 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:27.720 it works over in Japan these days in terms of just like like everything's flattened, 1715 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:30.880 you know, the everything is downloadable so like you can't really have an 1716 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:34.359 XBLA. It's just a brand at that point, because every game is something 1717 01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:36.640 you could buy digitally. Yeah, I think that's all it is. But 1718 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:39.880 even so, I think the brand was just really powerful. Like you just 1719 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:43.039 even though at the end of the day, Xbox Live Arcade is no different 1720 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.119 from the regular games, it's just something about it was appealing, right. 1721 01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:47.800 It still is to me, Like I just find like the whole in the 1722 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.239 summer of Arcade, those promotions and stuff, we're all really cool. And 1723 01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:55.359 now Sony's got like the Salt and Sanctuary is part of like some six game 1724 01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:59.560 promotion that they're doing for They happened almost so often now that they're not as 1725 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:00.520 big of a deal, I feel like anymore. I mean some of our 1726 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.600 kade used to be the first year or two, Yeah, it was just 1727 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:06.039 like guaranteed that was gonna be a really good game and I was gonna sell 1728 01:40:06.079 --> 01:40:09.840 really well. And now they happen like three or four times a year. 1729 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:13.920 I think on both came along, Yeah, came along room all. No, 1730 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:17.920 there was that level of curation for Xbox Live Arcade, you know that, 1731 01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:23.800 like it felt meaningful, but also in this weird exclusionary way, where 1732 01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:27.760 like now that everyone can independently publish on all these platforms and all that other 1733 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.079 other stuff, like at some point, yeah, I guess it just becomes 1734 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:32.279 a brand or like you know, hey, these are the games we've thrown 1735 01:40:32.359 --> 01:40:35.600 co marketing money at, which I think is what those so many things probably 1736 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.039 are. I kind of feel like that curation stuff, though, is actually 1737 01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:43.039 really important. Like I am sad to see it go because because especially now 1738 01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:45.680 we were talking about this earlier. I think with mobile games, how like 1739 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:47.279 so many new games are coming out every day that if they're not curated, 1740 01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:54.600 like it's just a mess. Steam last year there's like a bunch of games 1741 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:58.600 that are like a dollar forty nine, Like it's it feels like this weird 1742 01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:00.319 elitist thing to say, but I've been feeling this way for a long time. 1743 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.359 Like Steam needs a filter for price that lets me filter out games that 1744 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:09.840 are under five dollars, which is like a really crazy concept, but like 1745 01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:13.079 with the ship that's coming out on there, or if you drop into like 1746 01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:17.239 a like a dollar ninety nine would filter out all the Android point games to 1747 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:23.560 PC whatever, Yeah right right, yeah, but like a range of like 1748 01:41:23.680 --> 01:41:27.079 sort by price that lets me eliminate low price, not just high price. 1749 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:31.640 Uh, would actually be super valuable for Steam, and it's that's a weird 1750 01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.800 place. They've got like Outlast on there for ninety nine cents right now, 1751 01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:40.800 right, Yeah, but yeah, they're always gonna be outliers like that. 1752 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:44.479 But like generally speaking, yeah, in a sense because filter my original price 1753 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:46.680 not current sale price, you know, just because there's not curation. This 1754 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:49.439 is just sort of like a cheap you know, like a cheap code to 1755 01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:53.279 kind of get your own curation a little bit, right, Yeah, like 1756 01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.680 let me. You might lose a couple of great games in the process, 1757 01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:59.640 but you're also gonna get rid of a lot of trash. Yeah, because 1758 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.479 it's every day. It just seems like it's just like iOS and Android stuff, 1759 01:42:02.479 --> 01:42:05.079 where it's just like every day there's like it just feels like there's twenty 1760 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:08.840 new things and you're just looking at them because we're looking at stuff for coverage, 1761 01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:12.600 like what's yeah, where's the line. I spent an hour, like 1762 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.199 you know, every Monday, trying to get a list together, just trying 1763 01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:17.840 to sift through all that stuff. Yeah, so I imagine being a consumer 1764 01:42:18.000 --> 01:42:20.880 just trying to find something to buy and having to throw at least with consumers 1765 01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:24.640 because they they have all that stuff with like recommendations from friends and they try 1766 01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.479 to curate that top Unit, But like, I feel like I've played so 1767 01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:30.119 many different games on Steam over the years, did that top unit is just 1768 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:34.079 recommending garbage, Like here's some free to play Minecraft clone shooter thing. Well, 1769 01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:38.359 the dangerous thing I think is now. It also kind of makes developers 1770 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.520 want to stop making it like you lose your inspiration to make games when you 1771 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:43.960 feel like you're just gonna get lost in this season wraps, So you kind 1772 01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:46.520 of need something because you could just see the Toky Tory developers. Yeah, 1773 01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.479 just announced that they are getting out their next game is their last, the 1774 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:53.319 game they're working on now, and it's coming out in a few months. 1775 01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.800 Like they said, that's it, like it's the market place is too crowded 1776 01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.520 now, Yeah, what does that say about their faith in this game ability 1777 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:02.960 to sell the You know, I don't know if you're announcing before your games 1778 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.800 out that you're getting out, it's premature, but that's I think they were, 1779 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.960 like, you know, like they're saying, like we'll stick around as 1780 01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:11.520 a company, like we've still you know, we'll support our games or doing 1781 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:14.479 all this stuff. But like in terms of like making new stuff, that's 1782 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:16.000 sad. Yeah, such a such a craps. You're just trying to get 1783 01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:20.760 noticed, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's and even the iOS store, 1784 01:43:20.800 --> 01:43:24.119 it seems like, you know, it used to be a developer, 1785 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.399 especially the bigger ones, like courting Apple to try to get placement, and 1786 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.840 now I don't I don't even know that I hear much about that. No, 1787 01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:32.640 definitely not. That's changed radically, I think because placement used to be 1788 01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:38.640 store placement used to be kind of like, yeah, you're you were you 1789 01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:41.319 made it, like you were going to at least break even or whatever. 1790 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.600 But that's not the case now anymore. Yeah, free to play has become 1791 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:49.000 such a crazy prevalent thing. You got all that you know, user acquisition 1792 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:53.680 stuff, and like it, mobile market is just completely Everyone was so busy 1793 01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:57.039 democratizing the tools to make games that no one stopped to think if they should 1794 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:02.600 exactly, thank goodness, upsites like Giant but that's the that's the exactly or 1795 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.119 the curation layer. Yeah, comes and says, well, apparently we just 1796 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:11.279 talk about Clash of Clans. Now, fuck, they made it. They 1797 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:14.600 made it. So everybody can make games and now dinosaurs are rampaging across the 1798 01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:18.800 landscape. Uh that's uh. I don't know. Maybe those guys can can 1799 01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:23.039 go and do what Radiant Entertainment did and just get themselves acquired by Riot. 1800 01:44:23.720 --> 01:44:26.479 Yeah. Soon soon, every soon, soon, Riot will just own the 1801 01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:29.239 entire world, and then it will be a problem. Pretty much every game 1802 01:44:29.319 --> 01:44:31.840 will launch out of the League of Legends client just Chinese money. Is it 1803 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:36.239 gonna be the Epic Games launcher or the Riot League? That's gonna be? 1804 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:40.079 That will be the twenty first century fight. Who is the Riot owned by 1805 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:44.399 the ten cent or Yeah? I believe that they think I think I think 1806 01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:46.760 they outright. I think they went and bought the rest of it. So 1807 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:50.239 do they own Epic ten cents? They own a portion portion of Epic, 1808 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:57.359 not a majority share, like but forty five percent believe that's not I believe 1809 01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:00.720 so. But yeah, Riot has has acquired radio entertainment, maker of Rising 1810 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:04.199 Thunder the Free Well, well, I mean fu yeah, that game, 1811 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:08.680 well they canceled it. So crazy. Part that I think got lost in 1812 01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:11.520 this news though, is they just canceled that game. Well, so did 1813 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:16.239 they? So they canceled that game? That name. Look, but they 1814 01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.680 said, but they said that team is now going to work on something new 1815 01:45:18.720 --> 01:45:23.439 and excited, right, And I saw like a Legends thunder right. Yeah, 1816 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.560 I don't know. I saw like a something on Twitter from Seth Killian 1817 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:29.640 that was like that he seemed excited, not like, well, I guess 1818 01:45:29.720 --> 01:45:32.840 that's that. So like you have to assume it's gonna be a fighting game 1819 01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:35.920 like that. That game is too good to die, right, Like, 1820 01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:39.159 you know, we I think a lot of us played it. We really 1821 01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:41.159 liked the engine, We really liked you know, where it was going. 1822 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:43.319 I was just kind of waiting for it to kind of mature a little bit 1823 01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:45.319 exactly. Yeah, it's been in like an alpha state. Friendn't know how 1824 01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:47.880 long. It's like considering the characters in the Law and all that, like, 1825 01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:50.439 it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to have like a game 1826 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:54.520 where the champions of League of Legends where the characters in the tight games exactly, 1827 01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:59.079 And it's that's you know, they've been building out the lore in League 1828 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:00.800 of Legends and trying to like get people to you know, hiring people and 1829 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:06.000 fleshing out the stuff around the game in a way that like doesn't make sense 1830 01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.960 for league, but makes sense if you want to take these characters and try 1831 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:13.560 to apply it to something else someday. So I could see them. I 1832 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:15.920 guess I don't know enough about the league roster to know, like how many 1833 01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.239 of them makes sense as fighting game characters. I'm gonna guess plenty of them 1834 01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:21.279 prob like Bombastic, right, Yeah, but they're pretty wacky, So I 1835 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:24.199 think you could do it. Yeah, you could do it. I just 1836 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:27.279 I don't know if that fan base has that kind of deep love for those 1837 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.079 characters though. It doesn't matter though, because like the fighting game, fans 1838 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:32.760 will play fighting games, you know, and so the agen you get a 1839 01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:36.880 lot of play free to play, right anything League of alleged exactly, So 1840 01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:41.399 you get a lot of people who would normally wouldn't play fighting game. What 1841 01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:45.800 was the other uh not Hearth Stone Stone Heart stone Heart? Okay, so 1842 01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:49.640 Riot owns stone Heart, Blizzard own Heartstone. I'll just continue like some of 1843 01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:54.199 these other competitions on a new playing field. That was a kickstarter, right 1844 01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:57.760 it was, and they said they are gonna they are continuing, Yes, 1845 01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:00.119 right, that will continue? Right? Wasn't it a Stone Hearth before? 1846 01:47:01.720 --> 01:47:05.239 Wow? Okay? Uh and then I guess the other the other kind of 1847 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:09.680 loose end here is that does this mean that Riot now owns GGPO. I 1848 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:12.520 don't know. I don't know that. I think that was a separate thing. 1849 01:47:12.760 --> 01:47:15.159 Okay, yeah, like it wasn't like a Radiant. I mean that 1850 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.319 existed way exist prior to Radiant. But I wonder if like they just when 1851 01:47:17.319 --> 01:47:21.760 they incorporated, that's why they incorporated around GGPO or not, because you know, 1852 01:47:21.960 --> 01:47:26.399 like you know, Riot is doing all kinds of Riot is building its 1853 01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:30.079 own second Internet, specifically for League traffic. Sure, you know they're out 1854 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.319 of their fucking mind. Well whatever, They've got a game big enough justifier, 1855 01:47:32.439 --> 01:47:35.159 right, so it makes sense. So, like you know, net 1856 01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:39.840 code is something that they are probably supremely interested in. So at the same 1857 01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:43.560 time, I've never heard any complaints about the existing I know, I'm not 1858 01:47:43.600 --> 01:47:45.640 saying like for League. I'm just saying, like, let's you know, 1859 01:47:45.880 --> 01:47:51.520 if they can lock down greater and more technology to further their note knowledge and 1860 01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:56.119 get these people in here or who are super smart and RAYGPO and say hey, 1861 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.560 can you guys take a look at League and is there anything else we 1862 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:00.960 can do here for our fancy new inner net right. Uh, that probably 1863 01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:03.600 makes a lot of sense for them to considering the amount of money those guys 1864 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:05.680 make and how they make it. You know, games of the League that 1865 01:48:05.720 --> 01:48:09.439 just pulled in millions dollars a day. It's it's it's astounding to me that 1866 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:12.880 they're even interested in anything else. So, like, it really makes me 1867 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.560 curious with this acquisition, Like what they're thinking of him, Where it's going 1868 01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:16.840 to go? It should be pretty interesting. Well, they've always been right 1869 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:23.840 games, so they find more than one game games plural. It's true, 1870 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:29.279 it's been a while. It's been uh god, what is it seven years 1871 01:48:29.399 --> 01:48:32.560 since League came out? Really it was dark around that. Can't tell you 1872 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.119 how many times I've downloaded install that game, went through one tutorial. It's 1873 01:48:36.159 --> 01:48:39.560 like, nope, nope, sorry, not for you. Well, it's 1874 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:41.880 it's not the game itself. It's just like I'm not a mobile guy. 1875 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:45.600 I downloaded the King of Fighters MOBI and point through the tutorial in that, 1876 01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:48.880 and then realized I couldn't read enough Korean to oh yeah, yeah, wow. 1877 01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:55.119 I haven't played enough to actually really talk about it. But I starteddabbling 1878 01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:58.880 with Paragon last week, which is which is kind of out today, sort 1879 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:00.840 of oh is it getting there? Like you kind of have to buy one 1880 01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:04.840 of the like Founder's packs to get in free to play, but it's not 1881 01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:09.239 yet just freely downloadle blek. Is that a straight up MOBI or like the 1882 01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:14.760 battles it said behind the back. Yeah, it's like it's it's Smite is 1883 01:49:14.760 --> 01:49:19.239 probably the closest cars I mean, but it doesn't appear to be abstracted. 1884 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:25.760 It is like Mobi zoomed into the third place. Yes, three lanes, 1885 01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:28.560 yes, but it is a mobi. Ask Mobi. Yeah, Like it's 1886 01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.199 got last hitting, it's got some really fucking obscure mechanics. I've played. 1887 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:35.680 I've played a couple of matches of Paragon over the you know, relatively recently, 1888 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:40.960 and and yeah, are we talking a little like Smite? Yeah? 1889 01:49:41.119 --> 01:49:44.840 Ok, yes, Smite is definitely but I found Smite way more accessible from 1890 01:49:44.920 --> 01:49:46.680 from what I played of it. Uh, this seems like there's like a 1891 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:49.800 card element to it, of like building a deck and as you level up, 1892 01:49:49.840 --> 01:49:54.560 returning to base to slot more cards into your slots, and that were 1893 01:49:54.640 --> 01:49:57.520 more card points because yeah, that replaces the item shop. Okay, you 1894 01:49:57.520 --> 01:50:00.000 don't earn gold and buy items, you earn card XP That then activates the 1895 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:06.680 cards in your deck my card which is functionally not that different but still item 1896 01:50:06.760 --> 01:50:12.039 shows. I mean yeah, like the idea of returning and having well, 1897 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:15.119 it's the same mechanic. It is the same thing because you're turning and slotting 1898 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:17.000 things in. It was the is the thing that It's the thing that made 1899 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:20.960 me not want to play a lot of Counterstrike that then extended onto like a 1900 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:25.199 lot of mobis and stuff with just like this, like buying things that are 1901 01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:28.319 not permanent that I have to do every game, return to this store and 1902 01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:30.680 do this as I level up, Like it was this stumbling block. What 1903 01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:32.279 if a lot of those games, what if there was a cheeky flying animal 1904 01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:36.000 that would bring your items to you? Okay, have I got the mobile 1905 01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:42.800 for you? What's it called? Uh? Capcom has provided details on the 1906 01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:45.279 Street Fight or five March up date. Wait are they turning Street Fight or 1907 01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:49.760 five into a MOBI? That's the story mode? This is? This is 1908 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:53.720 this is not a knock on Paragon at all. But I can't play any 1909 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.960 other mobile without actually just wanting to play Doda Like it doesn't it does not 1910 01:50:57.039 --> 01:51:00.520 work. And it was like one of those things where it's like it's hard 1911 01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:01.840 for me because like, I understand why they balance it the way they do, 1912 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.640 because they're making a mobile. They're not being shy about that fact. 1913 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:09.560 But I picked the guy with twin pistols and his rate of fire is so 1914 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:14.199 slow. That is someone who liked into a mouse wheels scroll down, yes, 1915 01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:17.800 but no, you like you hold down the buttons just I'm like, 1916 01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:20.319 no, man, you got two pistols, let's dump. But like even 1917 01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:23.880 when you pop, like is is you know, I mean that had a 1918 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:27.119 fire increase. That's cord of the genre though, you know, like totally 1919 01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:30.680 max and build that guy toward a tax speed. I want to play the 1920 01:51:30.760 --> 01:51:34.800 MOBI that plays like Unreal Tournament, not the MOBI that plays that looks like 1921 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:38.880 Unreal Tournament but still plays like the MOBI. It definitely does that, you 1922 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:42.520 know, like it very much looks like a game is Battleborn faster because I 1923 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:44.960 know you've played that and that's trying to do mobile type stuff a little bit. 1924 01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:46.319 Yeah yeah, but I don't know that mode that I played was not 1925 01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:50.199 the MOBI mode, right, So I don't know. I don't know. 1926 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:55.319 Overwatching mob overwatches TF two. Okay, Okay, I was gonna say, 1927 01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:59.880 because that looks really fast, it is. It's superfession so confused. Yea, 1928 01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:01.920 yeah, Battle Morn. I feel like is the game that is getting 1929 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:08.159 lost in this shuffle. It's the Demigod. It might be it might be 1930 01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:12.800 the Demigod. There's Timney video games coming out. There's never enough, oh 1931 01:52:12.920 --> 01:52:15.279 Man, Street Fight or five. Yeah, the March update. Yeah, 1932 01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:19.039 we still don't know when it's coming out this month, but at least yeah 1933 01:52:19.079 --> 01:52:23.279 they still have Yeah, let's hope they still I'm given a date, but 1934 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:27.119 they did exhaustively run down what's in it. I actually I have not heard 1935 01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:30.600 this. I'm really really interested in this, like like pretty pretty nice amount 1936 01:52:30.600 --> 01:52:33.279 of detail here about exactly what's going to be in here. So all right, 1937 01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:36.640 hit me challenge mode. Yes, okay, it looks like it's gonna 1938 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:41.159 be chock full of tutorials, like this is what the game needed badly at 1939 01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:45.560 launch. Yeah okay, So in the Challenge Mode demonstrations, learn the ins 1940 01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:48.159 and outs of Street Fighter five through helpful demonstration and tutorial content. I love 1941 01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:51.560 helpful demonstrations. Yeah, if they're helpful. It contains content for each of 1942 01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:56.239 the sixteen characters, as well as advice geared towards players of all skill levels. 1943 01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:01.000 Twelve beginner tutorials covering movement, normal, special attacks, v system throws, 1944 01:53:01.039 --> 01:53:05.000 counterheits, chip and recoverable damage, et cetera. Do we know who 1945 01:53:05.479 --> 01:53:10.000 like actually is delivering that stuff, Like who basically came up with the tutorial 1946 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:13.159 stuff? It doesn't It doesn't say who put it together. I'm not sure 1947 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:15.319 if it's like, you know, the initial tutorial, I think it's going 1948 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:19.479 to be garbage. Ye, there's quite a bit. There's actually quite a 1949 01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:24.600 bit more to this. Well, I'll keep going. Okay, there's okay, 1950 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:28.840 So intermediate tutorials. There are eleven lessons that cover projectiles and invincibility frames. 1951 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:33.720 Yeah, armor and armor break covering like, uh, doesn't mean it 1952 01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:36.760 depends on what kind of depth, because if it's just like do a fireball 1953 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:40.680 that's your opponent and they block it, will do chip? I mean they're 1954 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:43.880 talking about you know, they're talking about cross up attacks, anti air options, 1955 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:46.439 recovery. That sounds like a list of canned combos that you need to 1956 01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:49.880 perform to precede them. Maybe that's what Challenge Mode more or less has been 1957 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.760 in previous games. It's just a matter of like the text they wrap around 1958 01:53:53.840 --> 01:53:57.479 it and how situational they get That's kind of why I was asking all is 1959 01:53:57.520 --> 01:54:00.319 delivered, because like, if it was like those commentator guys who are always 1960 01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:02.359 doing EVO, who are like telling you how to do this, technic would 1961 01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:05.279 be super interesting. There have been lots of games that have done like tutorials 1962 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.960 very very well. Skull Girls in particular has one of the best tutorials, 1963 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:12.720 like in the Business Killer Instinct is also you know, very good. Well, 1964 01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:15.279 they'll give you situations were practice. That's like VF four was really good. 1965 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:20.520 Yeah, but the way that they've presented, like the tutorial stuff in 1966 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:25.359 Street Fighter five, it's just like okay, walk forward, walk back, 1967 01:54:25.479 --> 01:54:29.920 okay clear, Yeah, yeah, I wish that that's more games had. 1968 01:54:30.039 --> 01:54:32.680 So I don't know if techn even still does this. But when you were 1969 01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:35.960 trying to do combo training for techn and you would tell you the ten string 1970 01:54:36.039 --> 01:54:41.439 combos, it would assigned sounds to the button presses so you could hear the 1971 01:54:41.520 --> 01:54:45.960 rhythm of the buttons being hit. And I can still hear just ten hit 1972 01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:48.960 combo in my head as I do it, and so it's like super effective. 1973 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:51.079 It must be something that they have pattented on, because I don't know 1974 01:54:51.119 --> 01:54:56.439 that other games haven't want to say at yeah, because that because it's so 1975 01:54:56.720 --> 01:54:59.760 useful, they should have battened it. It was. It was cool shit. 1976 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:01.920 I don't think it'll apply that much t Street Fighter, probably the TWOD 1977 01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:04.800 game. There's a lot of buffering commands and like tech and three D games 1978 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:09.000 like that. But but still there, still there still is an affect of 1979 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.279 timing to that stuff that like if they just I think it would help. 1980 01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:14.039 Yep, all right, let me let me throw out the rest of the 1981 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:16.760 challenge stuff. Advance tutorials there are four lessons that cover back dashing, frame 1982 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:21.199 advantage, combo potential, button priority, and so on. Then there are 1983 01:55:21.399 --> 01:55:28.439 character tutorials, sixteen lessons covering each individual character. Finally, there are trials 1984 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:31.760 put your skills to the ultimate test with combo trials for all sixteen characters ranging 1985 01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:35.640 from basic to pro combos. Completing trials will also earn you extra fight money. 1986 01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:41.039 That's it say anything about explaining the V skills is beginner. The beginner 1987 01:55:41.119 --> 01:55:44.680 levels have have V system stuff in there, like, I hope that it's 1988 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:47.399 like per character as well, because you know it's it's so so so yeah, 1989 01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:50.800 Beginner, Beginner, intermediate, advanced are all sounds like they're all generalized, 1990 01:55:50.840 --> 01:55:56.680 and there's a second set of characters specific tutorials and trials. Uh. 1991 01:55:56.880 --> 01:56:00.479 In game shop, they talked about spend your hard earned fight money to purchase 1992 01:56:00.520 --> 01:56:03.600 extra game contents such as DLC characters and story mode costumes. That's exactly what 1993 01:56:03.720 --> 01:56:06.720 you expected it would be. Yep. Uh, there's gonna be an online 1994 01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:11.720 rematch option. That's kind of interesting. Yeah, salty from a close loss 1995 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:16.800 online want revenge players can now play a two okay, two out of three 1996 01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:21.039 set and ranked match provided ranked. Yeah, and provided both players accept the 1997 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:26.960 rematch. Uh. They're getting up to eight personal lobbies yep, complete with 1998 01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:30.880 match spectating. Yes, that's cool. And then you know it's it's got 1999 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:34.439 bu fixes, some balance changes, yeah, a few, a few moves 2000 01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:39.239 are being tweaked. It says. It looks like they're they're being pretty aggressive 2001 01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:44.279 and like patching out like option selects which were four was riddled with that and 2002 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:45.720 I don't I don't want to go too deep in it, but it's it's 2003 01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:47.760 it's good for the balance of the game, Yeah, I think. Yeah. 2004 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:50.840 Overall, it sounds like they still will not have a permanent rage quit 2005 01:56:51.439 --> 01:56:55.720 uh, fix ya or solution still seems kind of half assed, like the 2006 01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:59.439 patch. Yeah, they're just kind of monitoring stuff and deducting points. That's 2007 01:56:59.840 --> 01:57:01.119 the worst defenders. Nothing automatic. I'm sure you as far as I know, 2008 01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:02.960 you could tell me his name. I can't remember. But one of 2009 01:57:03.000 --> 01:57:08.880 the like top ranked players in the world got penalized. I don't remembering name. 2010 01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:12.119 Yeah, you got like seven thousand points deducted. Yeah. Yeah, 2011 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:14.800 and he was down the bronze. I don't know if he was anybody like 2012 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:17.199 prominent in the fighting game community, just like a you know, pretty good 2013 01:57:17.560 --> 01:57:20.720 in a player, but rage quit an awful lot. Yeah. I don't 2014 01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:25.760 know the specifics for that guy. But uh, any mention of Alex, 2015 01:57:26.640 --> 01:57:29.760 no, they but they've said that right then, they've confirmed his first one 2016 01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:31.840 they put out, they put out the first image of Alex over the weekend, 2017 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:36.000 or well is he so this doesn't mention Actually I'm sorry, Right, 2018 01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:39.439 so, I wonder if that's going to be at the same time, Right 2019 01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:42.640 they have the ability to just okay, yes, yes he is. He 2020 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:45.079 is part of the march, the march up to perfect Right, there we 2021 01:57:45.159 --> 01:57:47.119 go. I mean, this is the ship that we've needed since day one, 2022 01:57:47.239 --> 01:57:50.399 and it's a patch that I've been waiting for actually any lobbies. I 2023 01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:54.239 need the challenge mode stuff. I need those to well, I don't need 2024 01:57:54.279 --> 01:57:58.479 those tutorials. I mean there's so many. Yeah, there's there's a ton 2025 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:00.720 of resources out there that you can go and mine. But for somebody who's 2026 01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:03.520 just hopping into the game, I think it needs to be well, it's 2027 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:08.960 always better if it's interactive and it's right there in context. I've got just 2028 01:58:09.039 --> 01:58:11.479 a description of Alex's v trigger here if you want to hear it. No, 2029 01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:15.279 yeah, maybe going too deep in all right, but yeah, he 2030 01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:18.520 seems seems interesting. This. If this stuff had been in at launch, 2031 01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:23.239 I feel like that conversation maybe wouldn't have actually even happened. Yeah. Yeah, 2032 01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:27.199 Like the big, crazy, lavish story mode is one thing that's nice 2033 01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:30.560 to have, but like this is the stuff it actually needed. When is 2034 01:58:30.600 --> 01:58:34.239 that the story June or something? Yeah, that's what a crazy story? 2035 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:38.159 How was this going to be more? Because they already have like those little 2036 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:42.840 ministories terrible but like little rational like cut scenes. It seems like, you 2037 01:58:42.920 --> 01:58:45.199 know, a traditional kind of arcade mode, but you know with the cut 2038 01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:48.439 scenes in between, Like I don't know for sure. I saw I saw 2039 01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:51.119 YouTube video going around. I can't remember which character, but there's a video 2040 01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:56.560 of a six month old infant beating the story modes. Oh my god, 2041 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:00.640 like just banging on joystick that do it. It's been edible. My at 2042 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:02.479 Twitter has been blown up with that. Yeah. Yeah, they they wont 2043 01:59:02.520 --> 01:59:06.159 Griffin to take on this kid, yep, yep, so set up a 2044 01:59:06.159 --> 01:59:10.960 grudge match. Yep. I'm looking forward to this update. This sounds highly 2045 01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:14.720 necessary. Yeah, lobby's in particular, man, so it's it's real rough 2046 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:16.640 right now. Yeah, but I mean that's how four launched, you know, 2047 01:59:16.760 --> 01:59:20.880 And it wasn't until like what a twenty twelve or whatever. I forget, 2048 01:59:20.960 --> 01:59:27.000 but before they had like multiplayer lobbies. But it's a quarter match on 2049 01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:33.800 Yeah. Ever Quest Next has officially been canceled fox those Yeah, yeah, 2050 01:59:34.640 --> 01:59:39.479 I wish I could tell you what that game actually was. I feel like 2051 01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:43.399 I have had that landmark that they were supposedly I thought that was supposed to 2052 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:45.960 inform the development of Every Question Next. Like I thought there was kind of 2053 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:49.239 a big building aspect. Yeah, landmark was like people building things that I 2054 01:59:49.279 --> 01:59:53.399 think would get into ever Quest Next, right, but like they had some 2055 01:59:53.720 --> 01:59:56.199 huge I was never clear on that yeah, I wasn't either. They had 2056 01:59:56.239 --> 01:59:59.479 some crazy ambitious pitch about like to be able to shape the world of ever 2057 01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:04.640 Quest Next Yourself right in some weird way. Anyway, not happening is Landmark 2058 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:11.760 Still I don't I don't know, Okay, I don't know anything about what 2059 02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:15.880 that company is doing at this point. So it's just like, all right, 2060 02:00:15.920 --> 02:00:17.199 you just make the zombie game now, huh. Right, and and 2061 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:24.239 John Smedley left also, yeah, we've been there forever. That's who knows. 2062 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:28.960 Future seems uncertain for what they're doing. Uh. And then the only 2063 02:00:29.079 --> 02:00:31.720 thing I've got in advance of the avalanche of GDC news that's sure to follow 2064 02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:33.880 this week, I don't know if it'll be an AVL. It's well, 2065 02:00:34.760 --> 02:00:36.479 the main thing, like you know, like I said, we're probably going 2066 02:00:36.520 --> 02:00:41.479 to get some pretty hard details about PlayStation VR, and one would hope some 2067 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:45.760 stuff like that. Uh. But Amazon Japan is now selling games directly to 2068 02:00:45.960 --> 02:00:53.359 international customers like me like you like you? Wow? Could I not just 2069 02:00:53.520 --> 02:00:56.560 go on to Amazon dot JP and order something? No, they wouldn't want 2070 02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:59.119 to. You could place the order, but they would then send you an 2071 02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:01.880 email going no, yeah it had it had a ship to a Japanese mailing 2072 02:01:01.920 --> 02:01:05.119 address, if you could order CDs and all sorts of other stuff. I've 2073 02:01:05.159 --> 02:01:09.920 imported music from Amazon Japan for years. How shipping on that it's fine? 2074 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:14.159 Yeah, very reasonable. Yeah, like surprisingly reason order stuff from Amazon US 2075 02:01:14.239 --> 02:01:17.520 to Japan a lot and it's it's it's really surprisingly not that expensive. It 2076 02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:21.079 gets there fairly quickly. Yeah. Do you get to prime discounts now? 2077 02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:25.039 Because you have to create a separate account, you can't. US account doesn't 2078 02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:27.600 apply. I think they do have Prime there, but I doubt they would. 2079 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:30.840 International shipping. You guys ever have to mule any packages for anybody? 2080 02:01:31.600 --> 02:01:34.840 Oh? Yeah, now you do stuff? Friends buggy about stuff? Yeah, 2081 02:01:34.880 --> 02:01:38.800 I should say this thing has some exceptions, like it's not everything that 2082 02:01:38.840 --> 02:01:41.479 you can order. You can now order a bunch of stuff that you couldn't 2083 02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:44.960 before, But there are still certain things that they won't ship overseas for whatever 2084 02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:47.000 reason. It's just like stuff that's too big or does that cover some game 2085 02:01:47.159 --> 02:01:49.760 game stuff size related. I was looking up something the other day for a 2086 02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:53.720 friend and it was like, you know, it has the little disclaimer on 2087 02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:56.239 there not we'll not ship overseas, So I don't I don't know what the 2088 02:01:56.279 --> 02:02:00.800 reason it is, but there's some terriffest risks and it's definitely only new stuff, 2089 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:04.760 right, Like there's not you can't just order stuff that Amazon is carrying, 2090 02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:08.439 not even fulfilled by Amazon. Stuff will ship this way. It hasn't 2091 02:02:08.439 --> 02:02:12.640 been direct, right, No, that would be too good. So but 2092 02:02:12.800 --> 02:02:15.279 video games are now in this category, yes, correct? Okay, yeah, 2093 02:02:15.479 --> 02:02:18.319 so yeah, before they wouldn't because it was you know, it was 2094 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:23.079 partially from like region locking. They wouldn't want to send DVDs either, because 2095 02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:26.039 they don't want to deal with you getting something that you can't play and then 2096 02:02:26.119 --> 02:02:29.399 you're trying to return it. So just to make it easier on their end, 2097 02:02:29.439 --> 02:02:31.039 I think they They're probably other reasons too, but one of the reasons 2098 02:02:31.119 --> 02:02:35.199 it's probably like just a customer support thing. It's great to see Amazon doing 2099 02:02:35.279 --> 02:02:38.439 this, though, because it sort of sets the stage for everyone else, 2100 02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:42.279 and I feel like as we move more towards the like much needed like region 2101 02:02:42.439 --> 02:02:45.600 free future that we all know is super necessary, Like it kind of makes 2102 02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:47.520 it hard not to be a region free like when you've got consoles like NX 2103 02:02:47.600 --> 02:02:50.520 coming up and stuff. It's like, if you know people from overseas can 2104 02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:54.079 buy your stuff and everything. It just seems like, okay, this is 2105 02:02:54.159 --> 02:02:56.479 kind of like when it's Amazon's like you can't not what are they going to 2106 02:02:56.520 --> 02:02:59.079 do? Like not seller games on Amazon because Amazon is willing to sell it. 2107 02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:00.319 It's like, no, just make stuff reason free and kind of get 2108 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:02.399 over it, you know, or like, you know, do the language 2109 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:05.479 work upfront instead of doing it after the fact. I guess, right, 2110 02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:10.199 right, which is hard. It's harder to do than it probably sounds. 2111 02:03:10.239 --> 02:03:13.600 But yeah, that's true. Yeah, because I guess like on some level, 2112 02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:16.279 like the game has to be proven to be wanted in another territory before 2113 02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:18.560 some of that language stuff starts to happen. Right on a lot of cases, 2114 02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:25.119 Yeah, yeah. Does this have any bearing on your buying of Hamster 2115 02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:30.159 Arcade rereleases or is that process that's all digital? There's no, Yeah, 2116 02:03:30.279 --> 02:03:32.159 that's that's all day one that'll be there. But you know, like if 2117 02:03:32.199 --> 02:03:38.479 they you know, you can buy I'll just buy PSN points cards right from 2118 02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:42.560 from a shop than just you know, code. That's why I feel like 2119 02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.239 this thing is not you know, as big a deal these days with everything 2120 02:03:45.399 --> 02:03:47.880 being digital and stuff like that. But I mean, yeah, it is 2121 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.720 nice when you want that you know, collector's edition something or other something with 2122 02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:55.399 hardware. Sure, this would have been a big deal back in the day 2123 02:03:55.439 --> 02:04:00.720 when we were all suffer market price. Yeah, do you how do you 2124 02:04:00.800 --> 02:04:05.039 think like NCS and play Asia or not, it cannot be happy at all. 2125 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:08.720 Yeah, but it's even of these things. I hope that like this 2126 02:04:08.920 --> 02:04:14.000 eventually leads to maybe some just some better international shipping for used stuff or something 2127 02:04:14.000 --> 02:04:15.960 like maybe they grow into that eventually, because that was always the thing. 2128 02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:19.600 Is like that was pretty constrohibitive sometimes. Yeah, And and getting to a 2129 02:04:19.640 --> 02:04:26.079 point where I can like successfully kind of half asked to translate Yahoo auctions right 2130 02:04:26.600 --> 02:04:29.680 and and get stuff that was always a hassle. Right, I did it, 2131 02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:31.560 and I got it shipped to some There was like a service there would 2132 02:04:31.600 --> 02:04:35.800 like you would go to their service and like basically you'd get the package shipped 2133 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:39.720 there and then they would ship you the package right, right, And I 2134 02:04:39.840 --> 02:04:43.279 got some stuff that way and it was great, But it was like nine 2135 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:45.680 more steps than should have been in that process, right, Right, we 2136 02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:50.199 better go around and buy as much shit as possible before that before that happens, 2137 02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:55.359 before anybody from over here guncoming storm on the gold rush. I mean, 2138 02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:57.920 yeah, like the prices before the prices go all the way out of 2139 02:04:57.960 --> 02:05:00.119 control, right, I mean. I bought a like a model PC Engine 2140 02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:04.800 Duo R off of eBay. There's like pristine, beautiful condition with like a 2141 02:05:04.960 --> 02:05:08.960 region switch on it and all this other stuff, and it's just great. 2142 02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:12.279 But like all the prices on that are ghost going up up up, and 2143 02:05:12.319 --> 02:05:14.640 I imagine, yeah, now that you guys now, now, now that 2144 02:05:14.840 --> 02:05:15.960 people in the West are gonna be able to get their hands on that stuff 2145 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:19.399 relatively easily, it's over. I mean because like it's already starting to show 2146 02:05:19.479 --> 02:05:25.800 right now. It seems like Habras like yeah, yeah, the good old 2147 02:05:25.880 --> 02:05:30.840 days are behind this. All right, That's all I've got for news this 2148 02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:32.760 week. I'm sure there will be some more to come, but the time 2149 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:39.560 for the emails podcast bomb dot Com got a handful here I'm gonna start reading. 2150 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:45.600 Here's the one from Nasser from Riyad Saudi Arabia about street Fighter five. 2151 02:05:45.039 --> 02:05:48.039 I was listening to the power Bomb cast and playing street Fighter in my dorm 2152 02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:51.279 room. I usually don't care about who I'm fighting, but then this name 2153 02:05:51.359 --> 02:05:56.479 showed up, Old glory Hole. Since you choose your name when you start 2154 02:05:56.520 --> 02:05:59.279 the game for the first time. Do you think they would or should do 2155 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:02.159 something about this. I've thought someone whose name was lick my butt hole. 2156 02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:06.760 Yes, yes, and was shocked that there was no filter or that that 2157 02:06:06.840 --> 02:06:11.560 hadn't been caught in like like a forced reset. And with the number of 2158 02:06:11.600 --> 02:06:14.359 other things that are missing in that game, I'd be surprised if they had 2159 02:06:14.439 --> 02:06:20.399 the facilities to actually like make like force a name change. Not high Japan, 2160 02:06:20.560 --> 02:06:24.600 butthole licking is absolutely normal, and that would concede if that would be 2161 02:06:24.920 --> 02:06:28.920 themselves. It's twenty sixteen in the US. It's totally normal, and don't 2162 02:06:28.920 --> 02:06:30.640 worry about it. It's just a cordial greeting. Yeah, sign of respect 2163 02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:34.920 really at this point. Yeah, they have the ability to change names. 2164 02:06:35.039 --> 02:06:39.600 Oh yeah, So when I first started, I was like Jay Strike or 2165 02:06:39.680 --> 02:06:42.000 whatever. Yeah, because I had reserved a name, they went in and 2166 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:44.880 manually changed it to unit Strike for me and it kept all my stats And 2167 02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:46.640 wait, did you have to request that? Yeah, it was something weird. 2168 02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:50.000 The Ford press like, we could reserve name, but they do have 2169 02:06:50.119 --> 02:06:54.399 the abil ability to change yeah, change it on that. But I wonder 2170 02:06:54.399 --> 02:06:57.239 if they have the ability to force a prompt to show up to force you 2171 02:06:57.399 --> 02:07:00.439 to change your name, which is how Xbox Live would do it, that's 2172 02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:02.199 sure. Or if they'll just yeah, maybe I'll just go in and change 2173 02:07:02.199 --> 02:07:05.479 that guy's name to something even worse but at least not objectionable. Yeah, 2174 02:07:05.680 --> 02:07:09.960 like not licking butt holes, just like maybe that's not objectionable. I don't 2175 02:07:09.960 --> 02:07:12.600 know, like whatever, the game's rated t right, but hole looker, 2176 02:07:13.600 --> 02:07:16.960 okay, just it's not just suggesting that anybody do it to anybody. They're 2177 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:20.119 exhorting you to lick theirs, which might be a little aggressive. Yeah, 2178 02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:23.880 I suppose. So it was just a little bit more. It was just 2179 02:07:23.920 --> 02:07:27.039 like lick a buff, right, yes, be like well whatever, that's 2180 02:07:27.119 --> 02:07:29.359 just sure. Well if they put a question mark at the end, you 2181 02:07:29.399 --> 02:07:34.199 know, it's just that it's just a polite invitation something to think. Not 2182 02:07:34.399 --> 02:07:38.359 this early in the day, Okay, I won't force you. That's that's 2183 02:07:38.399 --> 02:07:41.760 your choice. Only after lunch. Yeah, if you're gone with the more 2184 02:07:41.800 --> 02:07:48.720 accepted modern terminology and said eat the booty like groceries, maybe that would question 2185 02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:51.319 mark. I mean, that's just all right, question right. Yeah. 2186 02:07:53.079 --> 02:07:56.920 Uh so I put out the call on on the Twitter this morning because you 2187 02:07:56.960 --> 02:08:00.680 guys were coming in see if anybody had any questions, Okay, question from 2188 02:08:00.720 --> 02:08:05.039 one David Ellis, please ask Mark McDonald if he's still bathes in Pokemon milk 2189 02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:09.840 to stay ageless. That's uh, that's mister. Mine placenta that I put 2190 02:08:09.920 --> 02:08:16.920 on my keeps me nice and nice and well. Amazon ship that now, 2191 02:08:16.199 --> 02:08:22.840 you know, because I keep placing the orders and they keep canceling. It's 2192 02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:26.199 weird. Their form letters say you sick fuck in them. Yeah, you 2193 02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:31.399 wouldn't think. All right, here's an email from Gareth in Australia. He's 2194 02:08:31.439 --> 02:08:37.279 writing in about best nineties jobs. Avortex sucks you back to nineteen ninety three. 2195 02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:41.760 You can number one be a reasonably senior journalist at a print video games 2196 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:46.199 magazine. Pros going to Boca to see Atari games. Sorry, it was 2197 02:08:46.279 --> 02:08:52.079 Cabo CON's probably a lot of work that isn't the above? Is that true? 2198 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.560 I don't think that's true. I was never there. You were you 2199 02:08:54.640 --> 02:09:01.439 were relatively I maybe not ninety three, but nineties. It was pretty good. 2200 02:09:01.600 --> 02:09:05.279 It beat the hell out of out of having to work online. Of 2201 02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:11.199 course, did the way that deadlines work for obvious reasons. But we were 2202 02:09:11.239 --> 02:09:15.159 not bitter. We don't still carry grudge having a deadline once a month as 2203 02:09:15.159 --> 02:09:18.680 opposed to every day. It was pretty nice. It sucks that week. 2204 02:09:18.880 --> 02:09:20.479 It really was just at one E three where we were all part of the 2205 02:09:20.560 --> 02:09:26.199 same company and saw you guys doing jack shit while we were in the boy 2206 02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:30.720 that was that was before my time, all right, but that was there 2207 02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:33.520 was definitely like a man, what the fuck? Yeah, and the only 2208 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:37.159 thing that kept us going, I think, and I guess I'll only speak 2209 02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:39.479 for myself, but I'm pretty sure it was shared amongst a lot of the 2210 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:43.319 game spot staff at the time. Was like, don't worry their days or 2211 02:09:43.399 --> 02:09:48.640 no, they're running upazine. Were right, that's there. But yeah, 2212 02:09:48.680 --> 02:09:52.399 it was nice because you could go to something like E three and come back 2213 02:09:52.439 --> 02:09:54.680 and actually like process it and think about it and be like, okay, 2214 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.640 what you know put it in I don't know in context, I guess take 2215 02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:03.439 a take a week, but that was nice. Yeah. The stuff that 2216 02:10:03.479 --> 02:10:05.800 people on online do at a trade shows is amazing and we don't even have 2217 02:10:05.880 --> 02:10:09.159 that anymore, you know, like like we had some aspect of being able 2218 02:10:09.239 --> 02:10:13.399 to like reflect on things and like, oh we went to this event and 2219 02:10:13.479 --> 02:10:16.560 it was embargoed, so at least we have a couple of days to think 2220 02:10:16.560 --> 02:10:20.760 about it well before we write, and now everything's live. Well. I 2221 02:10:20.800 --> 02:10:24.880 absolutely hated those early years when we were sent out to when we were kind 2222 02:10:24.920 --> 02:10:28.880 of working together with you guys actually, and we were at like the Jets 2223 02:10:28.960 --> 02:10:31.319 Japan shows and stuff, and because there wasn't to send a lot of people, 2224 02:10:31.760 --> 02:10:35.279 we had to play the role of not only gathering stuff for the print 2225 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:37.640 bags, but also delivering stories back for online. And that was rough. 2226 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:41.760 Yeah, that was really bad because you know, everything was happening in Japanese. 2227 02:10:43.119 --> 02:10:46.000 You were lucky if you kind of got a gist of what was going 2228 02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:48.479 on, and then you had to take the long train back to the hotel 2229 02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:50.560 and then you finally get back and then you have to do that for a 2230 02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:54.520 few hours while you're jet lagged. Like it was. It was not fun, 2231 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:56.720 But you touched on something earlier. Mark just kind of let it slip 2232 02:10:56.840 --> 02:11:00.239 through. But he was like, that week was really rough. But that's 2233 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:03.560 actually the truth. Like until the later years of like EGM and stuff, 2234 02:11:03.680 --> 02:11:05.600 we got organized and got a managing editor and stuff. But like in the 2235 02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:09.079 beginning era, I would say the first couple of years I was there, 2236 02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:11.439 oftentimes it was like the one month, you had the one month uh you 2237 02:11:11.560 --> 02:11:15.680 know cycle. But we really did all the work in like the last week, 2238 02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:18.439 and I remember we're just like not to fun, like skateboarding through the 2239 02:11:18.479 --> 02:11:22.119 hall When when did you start there? And I was there and from well, 2240 02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:26.000 I was at ZIF or SENDI slashed if from ninety six to two. 2241 02:11:26.039 --> 02:11:28.439 Okay, I was at EGM from like ninety six is about when I started 2242 02:11:28.479 --> 02:11:31.960 talking to you guys on IRC, and I was distinctively remember the stories like 2243 02:11:33.039 --> 02:11:35.239 coming in at like one o'clock every day and reading in the magazine about you 2244 02:11:35.279 --> 02:11:39.479 guys playing Was it Decapitito or some potato? Yeah, it is a hallway 2245 02:11:41.439 --> 02:11:43.680 game that we played with the with the arrow what's it called arrowb Yeah. 2246 02:11:45.760 --> 02:11:48.159 Some lights were broken and some people were hurt, but uh yeah it was 2247 02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:50.399 fun. It was a good time. But but how how how rough was 2248 02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:54.319 deadline week though? Because like my memory of talking to you guys on IRC 2249 02:11:54.439 --> 02:11:58.119 back then was like you've fucked around for three weeks and then yeah, crazy 2250 02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:01.600 part of it you had, I mean part of it you were just playing 2251 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:05.800 games for like you took it was basically you did lose a week because you 2252 02:12:05.840 --> 02:12:09.039 were working so hard on deadline week. Then the next week was like you've 2253 02:12:09.079 --> 02:12:13.000 missed the first two days, and then people really were just like coming in 2254 02:12:13.159 --> 02:12:16.520 late and leaving early. But then then people would just play games and they 2255 02:12:16.520 --> 02:12:20.159 would put the actual writing of stuff off the last week. And so yeah, 2256 02:12:20.199 --> 02:12:24.119 I mean it was you know, they were they were really long days, 2257 02:12:24.159 --> 02:12:26.960 but it was fun and everybody was young, like it didn't really matter, 2258 02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:28.880 like, you know, I was like twenty one I think when I 2259 02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.640 got joined that company, and so like to me, like I actually didn't 2260 02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:35.399 even finish college like I left. To me, it kind of replaced college, 2261 02:12:35.439 --> 02:12:37.119 and you know what that's like, right, I mean you're basically just 2262 02:12:37.239 --> 02:12:39.279 up all hours fucking around anyway, So it was kind of like a replacement 2263 02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:41.880 for that, like doing your term papers the night before it's to do for 2264 02:12:41.960 --> 02:12:45.279 straight week. And then you have a video game magazine. It's like college 2265 02:12:45.279 --> 02:12:50.760 except all dudes. Basically my time of game informers all when everybody did everything 2266 02:12:50.840 --> 02:12:52.680 basically everyone does online and print. And you definitely got the sense that the 2267 02:12:52.720 --> 02:12:56.439 old timers like kind of pined for the old days, like yeah, oh 2268 02:12:56.520 --> 02:12:58.399 yeah, this was pretty great when we could just go to E three and 2269 02:12:58.439 --> 02:13:01.479 then you know, just just go to parties all why home right an episode 2270 02:13:01.560 --> 02:13:05.119 two later, I mean because I moved, I moved from print to online 2271 02:13:05.199 --> 02:13:09.359 and not just online but video while I was still at ZIF and like so 2272 02:13:09.760 --> 02:13:15.720 I'd seen both sides of it, and I mean the print people did work 2273 02:13:15.960 --> 02:13:20.960 really hard, but it's a completely different kind of pressure when it's like I 2274 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:24.359 have to get this up as fast as possible, especially you know at that 2275 02:13:24.760 --> 02:13:28.159 at that time with a lot of stuff. It wasn't with everything, but 2276 02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:31.479 a lot of it was like we have to get this done and fixed and 2277 02:13:31.720 --> 02:13:33.359 edited, and you have to be showing up at a location and making sure 2278 02:13:33.800 --> 02:13:39.119 the camera works and everything's recording and what. It's a totally different type of 2279 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:43.560 pressure that after a trade show. Yeah, it's just like completely exhausting. 2280 02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:48.319 So I have like huge, huge shoots amounts of respect for you guys. 2281 02:13:48.520 --> 02:13:52.520 I mean we will see you like at at E three and stuff like that. 2282 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:54.479 I mean, you guys are having a good time, but it's like 2283 02:13:54.079 --> 02:13:58.560 I know that those are like twelve fourteen hour days of back to back to 2284 02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:03.399 back to back, you know, just doing it. It's it's it's pretty 2285 02:14:03.640 --> 02:14:05.880 it's rough. Yeah, I spent a year in print. H well, 2286 02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:09.000 I guess actually only about three months actually putting out issues because it was the 2287 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:11.880 launch of a magazine, so it was like the run up to launch, 2288 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:13.199 and then we we made it three issues. So what was that? What 2289 02:14:13.319 --> 02:14:16.560 was that was called Blast? It was packed into it was on news stands, 2290 02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:22.039 but also it was packed into uh sound blasters. The CEO of Creative 2291 02:14:22.119 --> 02:14:26.119 Labs invested in this thing, and then my understanding is that the people that 2292 02:14:26.159 --> 02:14:28.239 were running it ran off with some of the money and then we were all 2293 02:14:28.359 --> 02:14:33.119 laid off. A classic print story. Uh yeah, and but we we 2294 02:14:33.199 --> 02:14:37.680 were in Berkeley and we had that that same thing of like the issue got 2295 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:39.159 put together in the last week of like you know, it's like, okay, 2296 02:14:39.199 --> 02:14:43.439 we've got blue lines now, so yeah, thankfully, you know you 2297 02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:46.960 can go read those and fix all the typos and all other stuff. But 2298 02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:48.479 it was like, you know, there would there would be a week of 2299 02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:50.680 like I'd just be in Berkeley till like four in the morning or all night 2300 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.960 and not go home because we were just like putting everything together and getting it 2301 02:14:54.039 --> 02:15:00.520 all in. And that was actually really fun because Berkeley got really weird and 2302 02:15:00.600 --> 02:15:03.159 it was just like there's a lot of naked dudes out on the street, 2303 02:15:03.520 --> 02:15:05.720 and so like you know the manage you had to run go naked guy, 2304 02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:07.039 naked guy, naked guy, and everyone would run downstairs, look and go 2305 02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.600 listen. Naked guy walking up the street and he's holding a pair of pants 2306 02:15:11.680 --> 02:15:15.479 in his hand. He's actively choosing to not wear them. They live in 2307 02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:18.159 the dream, and so it was, yeah, there's just a lot of 2308 02:15:18.199 --> 02:15:20.880 dumb shit like that. That but whatever. Yeah, it was were they 2309 02:15:20.960 --> 02:15:26.520 like always trying to take the sound angle on everything where they like like it 2310 02:15:26.640 --> 02:15:30.439 was three paragraphs devoted to the sacks. It wasn't purely a gaming mag so 2311 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:33.880 it was kind of like it was like tech and then there was this lifestyle. 2312 02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:37.880 Someone there coined the term does seem like it could incorporate a lot of 2313 02:15:37.000 --> 02:15:45.319 different There was some of the one of the sales guys coined the term screen 2314 02:15:45.399 --> 02:15:50.479 agers. And this is ninety four. As you know, these kids, 2315 02:15:50.520 --> 02:15:52.880 they screens around them. They're just screens are just part of what they do. 2316 02:15:54.039 --> 02:15:56.560 Man, there's the screen angers. It's like you're a screen ager and 2317 02:15:56.600 --> 02:16:00.399 I'm like, i am technically nineteen. You're right, and fuck you. 2318 02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.640 When he came up, he was he was yes, he was out of 2319 02:16:05.640 --> 02:16:09.960 I know, yeah, that's weird how that didn't make it, but yeah, 2320 02:16:11.279 --> 02:16:13.920 and and so yeah, it was trying to be a lifestyle thing. 2321 02:16:13.960 --> 02:16:16.800 It was like the same time that like Grand Royal Magazine was a thing, 2322 02:16:16.920 --> 02:16:18.720 and so like Mike d from the BC Bays was on the first cover because 2323 02:16:18.760 --> 02:16:22.640 like he was doing it multimedia style, so it was like this more of 2324 02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:24.960 this multi media thing. And then I actually, I think I did write 2325 02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:28.239 something in the first issue of like fucking, here's some cool shit you can 2326 02:16:28.279 --> 02:16:31.479 do with a sound card. I guess, like, here's making music on 2327 02:16:31.559 --> 02:16:35.319 a PC. And I the only PC in the office. Everyone else was 2328 02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:39.600 mac of but you know, because I needed to generate articles about like games 2329 02:16:41.040 --> 02:16:43.280 and other stuff. So yeah, it was weird. But yeah, it 2330 02:16:43.360 --> 02:16:46.959 was like it was like two weeks of playing Doom too. And then a 2331 02:16:48.079 --> 02:16:50.840 dude from that works on one of the other magazines and they're brought in his 2332 02:16:50.000 --> 02:16:52.600 like super Wild card, which I had never seen before, and I'm like, 2333 02:16:52.799 --> 02:16:56.159 so super Nintendo games on a floppy disk. This is crazy. Yeah, 2334 02:16:56.520 --> 02:16:58.719 and then at some point you're like, okay, let's write a magazine. 2335 02:17:01.360 --> 02:17:03.000 And I was, I mean, you know, I've gotten better. 2336 02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:07.479 I'll say that much. But man, I was a fucking terrible writer in 2337 02:17:07.559 --> 02:17:11.440 nineteen ninety four. So it was a lot of time spent with like editors 2338 02:17:11.520 --> 02:17:13.959 going like no, no, just right, no, you need to write 2339 02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:18.360 this again. Going people keep posting, especially lately, like old reviews I 2340 02:17:18.440 --> 02:17:20.959 did in EGM, because like we're hitting all these anniversaries, like it's a 2341 02:17:22.000 --> 02:17:26.399 twenty and I'm like, you know, part of me is like, hey, 2342 02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:28.399 I want to retreat this. It's cool, it's history. But the 2343 02:17:28.479 --> 02:17:31.440 other part is like, oh, I can't believe that at least it was 2344 02:17:31.479 --> 02:17:35.639 only a paragraph. Right, that's true that with your crew, that's true. 2345 02:17:35.959 --> 02:17:37.520 On the format, what is your most what what are some of the 2346 02:17:37.600 --> 02:17:41.479 ones that you're super ashamed of? Well, I was actually really pleasantly surprised 2347 02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:45.479 that, like Okarina of Time review was not too bad. But I just 2348 02:17:45.559 --> 02:17:48.159 gushed, I mean, you know, that's like that's a come on, 2349 02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:52.000 if you're going to pick a game, yeah, well that's away. Even 2350 02:17:52.079 --> 02:17:54.280 so, it was just like, you know, if I had gone like 2351 02:17:54.399 --> 02:17:56.479 even a couple of years after that, we had kind of gotten used to 2352 02:17:56.479 --> 02:17:58.520 writing those reviews, and you kind of learned like in that little space. 2353 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:01.200 You really got to hit on the important points. But it was like mostly 2354 02:18:01.319 --> 02:18:03.000 just like a lot of the things that are now, like those cliches that 2355 02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:05.440 you would never ever want to put in a review, were like the things 2356 02:18:05.479 --> 02:18:13.239 we were writing bag exactly the genre. Yeah, yeah, I don't think 2357 02:18:13.239 --> 02:18:15.559 I even need to read the other two options in this email. I think 2358 02:18:15.600 --> 02:18:20.520 everybody would just be Aney three print guy if you could get away with it. 2359 02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:28.120 The other options were dot com employee or internet early internet hacker in the 2360 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:31.719 nineties. Yeah no, no, I did some of that. That's not 2361 02:18:31.159 --> 02:18:37.360 no, Well, we'll just move on. Here's an email from John and 2362 02:18:37.440 --> 02:18:41.799 Manchester that think four guys might be able to shed some light on I'd love 2363 02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:45.920 to hear from the collected knowledge in the room about treasure, not the stuff 2364 02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:48.239 pirates hunt for, but the sumptuous video game makers. Are they done? 2365 02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:52.719 Will we even get just one more wonderful game from them? What shape are 2366 02:18:52.799 --> 02:19:00.559 they in these days? So? I have actually semi recently heard that they 2367 02:19:00.639 --> 02:19:05.520 are kind of done, that they do exist, but that it's basically like 2368 02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:11.760 a licensing house at this point, so like just managing their IP stuff coming 2369 02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:16.040 out on virtual console or whatever, like paperwork that that kind of stuff. 2370 02:19:16.120 --> 02:19:18.280 Yeah. I looked it up after this email came in, and the last 2371 02:19:18.319 --> 02:19:22.040 things they put out were like that Gunstar Heroes re release on XBLA, and 2372 02:19:22.120 --> 02:19:26.200 they looked like they did a couple games for Capcom that were three DS only 2373 02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:28.879 in Japan. Yeah, and I had kind of heard that that might have 2374 02:19:28.000 --> 02:19:31.120 there's I mean, it's just speculation because nobody knows, but that may have 2375 02:19:31.200 --> 02:19:35.280 burned them to some degree because that was part of like this big I forget 2376 02:19:35.319 --> 02:19:39.479 the name of the game, but gayste Crushery Crush. Yeah. It was 2377 02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:43.000 meant to be one of those big like level five asque like monim It's got 2378 02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:46.719 the anime and this and that and the other and all of it just tanked, 2379 02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.639 okay, which you know leads to the theory that maybe that was one 2380 02:19:50.680 --> 02:19:54.520 of their reasons for their downfall and put a lot into that stuff and it 2381 02:19:54.559 --> 02:19:58.799 didn't go anywhere. Huh. It makes stretched panic, didn't they they did? 2382 02:19:58.959 --> 02:20:01.360 Yeah, that's around time time, did Mischief Makers. Yes, Yeah, 2383 02:20:01.440 --> 02:20:03.760 there's both great. The President is still around. I mean, the 2384 02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:07.520 treasures still exist, and I mean it is him and he's the same guy 2385 02:20:07.559 --> 02:20:09.479 who always was it, so it's not to say that they couldn't necessarily resurface 2386 02:20:09.520 --> 02:20:13.760 in the future because now it's pretty much him maintenance mode, like the most 2387 02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:18.920 hallowed developer of action games at one time it is. But I could possibly 2388 02:20:18.959 --> 02:20:20.879 think of Yeah, and I mean, you can imagine they're being like a 2389 02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:24.639 lot of different opportunities open to them. So I don't, I don't. 2390 02:20:24.159 --> 02:20:28.559 I don't know what their deal is if he's just there's no interest or what 2391 02:20:28.760 --> 02:20:33.639 happened, because you can't imagine them not having some opportunities if they wanted to 2392 02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:37.000 write. So yeah, I don't know. Hopefully somebody else will get some 2393 02:20:37.159 --> 02:20:43.920 more information on that. I went to their office ten eleven years ago and 2394 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:46.079 could not believe how modest it was. Yeah, for like what an incredible 2395 02:20:46.120 --> 02:20:48.840 reputation they have, Like it's just like two little rooms in a basement. 2396 02:20:48.920 --> 02:20:54.159 Yea, like super cramped. They've been there too, I went to Yeah, 2397 02:20:54.479 --> 02:20:56.399 I think the only like developer maybe of that. Like I went and 2398 02:20:56.520 --> 02:21:01.399 sawt Anchor at one point when they were doing like the UFC games for THHQ 2399 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:07.120 or Crave maybe it was Crave at the time, n anyway, And yeah, 2400 02:21:07.239 --> 02:21:11.239 it was like the tightest just like long tables full of dead. It 2401 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:15.319 looked like Gawker, but like reduced by fifty percent somehow, like packed into 2402 02:21:15.319 --> 02:21:18.799 a tighter space. Yep. Uh, that stuff was like really sobering in 2403 02:21:18.840 --> 02:21:22.079 a weird way of a lot of those seems like a big company, but 2404 02:21:22.200 --> 02:21:24.520 like, yeah, man, a lot of the Japanese devs would would be 2405 02:21:24.680 --> 02:21:28.520 that way and run just like it would just look like any other office all 2406 02:21:28.600 --> 02:21:33.319 with the desks facing each other and people side by side in a in a 2407 02:21:33.399 --> 02:21:39.559 workstation and yeah, super just spartan, super run things nice and cheap. 2408 02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:43.799 And when you would tell those guys how like beloved they are overseas, they 2409 02:21:43.959 --> 02:21:48.600 it was like a shock really, like yeah, like you guys made all 2410 02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:52.799 these amazing games and like nobody They're just like, oh, yeah, we're 2411 02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:54.600 just doing our thing, probably at like minimum wage, you know, Like, 2412 02:21:54.760 --> 02:22:00.680 oh yeah, fad, that's depressing. Rick and Nashville has another email 2413 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:05.520 that might inspire a little more reminiscing. Uh. Jeff spoke briefly of the 2414 02:22:05.600 --> 02:22:09.559 process of getting the quote major exclusives in print and on websites, which aren't 2415 02:22:09.559 --> 02:22:13.280 really relevant anymore. I was wondering if he could speak to the process of 2416 02:22:13.360 --> 02:22:18.120 getting those exclusives. He mentioned negotiating for them, and I was interested in 2417 02:22:18.159 --> 02:22:20.120 what that actually meant, Like, you guys probably have an even dan foot. 2418 02:22:22.200 --> 02:22:22.760 For us, it was like, you know, hey, we can 2419 02:22:22.840 --> 02:22:26.639 give you the top slot on this day and we will. You know, 2420 02:22:26.760 --> 02:22:31.000 this is the type of coverage we would want to do for this game if 2421 02:22:31.040 --> 02:22:31.840 you give us. So basically it was like, if you give us this 2422 02:22:31.920 --> 02:22:35.479 access to your game before anyone else gets it, we will put it, 2423 02:22:35.719 --> 02:22:41.879 we will promote it here, right And the sticking point we would run into 2424 02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:45.799 is that that top slot changed every single day, so you know, it 2425 02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:48.280 was like for one day, you'll be on this thing, whereas like a 2426 02:22:48.360 --> 02:22:50.920 print magazine stares out at you for a full month right from from an airport 2427 02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:54.360 news stand. Yeah right, yeah, And like yeah, Game Informer made 2428 02:22:54.399 --> 02:23:00.840 a huge business model really for a while of having that the exclusive and that 2429 02:23:00.959 --> 02:23:05.000 they do. I think they are one place where it still does kind of 2430 02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:07.840 matter. But all the other magazines kind of went away. So they have 2431 02:23:07.000 --> 02:23:11.559 their they have their pick now and it's such prime real estate. You know, 2432 02:23:11.639 --> 02:23:13.520 pr goes for those covers because it's right there, front center at every 2433 02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:16.920 register or game stop. So yeah, they went to this many people on 2434 02:23:18.040 --> 02:23:20.319 the last time. Yes, circulation really mattered back in the day. I 2435 02:23:20.360 --> 02:23:24.159 mean I remember when we at EGM. I don't remember where it peaked, 2436 02:23:24.239 --> 02:23:26.479 but there was a period when when I was there, when it was up 2437 02:23:26.520 --> 02:23:31.840 at like around five hundred or six hundred thousand uh readers. And I don't 2438 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:33.200 know exactly how they got that. It certainly weren't all subscribers. I mean 2439 02:23:33.280 --> 02:23:35.879 there was some amount of newstand you know and pass along and all that crap. 2440 02:23:35.959 --> 02:23:39.799 But I mean at that era, at that point, like that meant 2441 02:23:39.879 --> 02:23:41.440 something to people. Yeah, But then, like Mark said, I think 2442 02:23:41.440 --> 02:23:45.159 Gaming Former came around just kind of ruined it for everyone because they just had 2443 02:23:45.159 --> 02:23:48.479 they had to circulate, and they had the pipeline to retypeline exactly exactly. 2444 02:23:48.559 --> 02:23:52.879 And that's just why would you go with anyone else when because all at the 2445 02:23:52.959 --> 02:23:54.479 end of the day, you know, even if you thought your magazine was 2446 02:23:54.520 --> 02:23:56.840 the best or not or whatever, like, at the end of the day, 2447 02:23:58.079 --> 02:24:00.319 who can reach the most people. I remember they're being like some just 2448 02:24:01.000 --> 02:24:03.600 some push from maybe it was from Ziff, but there there was something to 2449 02:24:03.680 --> 02:24:07.840 try to counter what Game Informer was doing by saying like they give all those 2450 02:24:07.879 --> 02:24:09.440 books away for free, you realize that, like Game Informer goes out to 2451 02:24:09.840 --> 02:24:13.600 all these people that just our game, stop whatevers, and they were trying 2452 02:24:13.600 --> 02:24:18.399 to make ABC the place that regulates circulation. They were trying to make it 2453 02:24:18.559 --> 02:24:22.040 count because it was it was people not paying just for that they were getting 2454 02:24:22.120 --> 02:24:26.719 the game. They were getting the power up awards, the land cards, 2455 02:24:26.760 --> 02:24:31.600 and I used to make with the with yeah yeah, they would give us 2456 02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:37.879 commissions. They would give two dollars commissions on every subscription and Game Informer yeah, 2457 02:24:37.000 --> 02:24:41.719 yeah, yeah. They used to have a policy on in the early 2458 02:24:41.799 --> 02:24:46.079 days, in the early to mid nineties, Game Informer would only be games 2459 02:24:46.120 --> 02:24:46.840 that were out, and it's like we're gonna give you all the tips, 2460 02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:50.479 We're gonna give all the strategies and stuff. And it was funny going back 2461 02:24:50.520 --> 02:24:52.239 through the old archives when I worked there and like and passion letters from the 2462 02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:54.920 editor from Andy being like, we will never have a pre release game on 2463 02:24:56.000 --> 02:25:00.120 this cover. Remember that, and it's like now our entire business. But 2464 02:25:00.399 --> 02:25:03.440 uh yeah, that was the big thing. Is PR would fly usually the 2465 02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:07.399 creative director and one or two other people and a dev kid out and they 2466 02:25:07.399 --> 02:25:11.040 would sit in our because they would come to Minnesota because obviously stuff in the 2467 02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:13.280 office we had to go to all the studios. Now, no, that 2468 02:25:13.360 --> 02:25:16.360 was once we were actually writing the cover stories. We would get sent out 2469 02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:18.360 to whatever. Okay, but it would be like would come in and it's 2470 02:25:18.399 --> 02:25:22.280 like, oh, BioShock Infinite, which no one's even heard of, is 2471 02:25:22.319 --> 02:25:24.280 just in the office here. And sometimes we'd get to come in and see 2472 02:25:24.280 --> 02:25:28.280 this stuff and they would pitch it to Andy. Yeah, we benefited from 2473 02:25:28.360 --> 02:25:31.319 being away from everyone because we were in Chicago. They were in Minnesota, 2474 02:25:31.399 --> 02:25:35.159 and like that was like the two places that the press would go, and 2475 02:25:35.200 --> 02:25:37.600 the pr people probably wanted it too, like I get a trip out to 2476 02:25:37.639 --> 02:25:39.079 the Midwest, you know whatever to go show games. But like one of 2477 02:25:39.159 --> 02:25:43.639 my some of my favorite memories at EGM were like the guys passing through and 2478 02:25:43.719 --> 02:25:46.520 bringing games because then we'd we get to check out stuff and like that sort 2479 02:25:46.520 --> 02:25:48.920 of exclusive environment. But then we get to go hang out with these guys 2480 02:25:48.959 --> 02:25:50.879 and become friends with them and stuff, and I'm like, that was really 2481 02:25:50.920 --> 02:25:54.159 fun. And Minnesota, they would always be doing the rounds, usually because 2482 02:25:54.200 --> 02:25:56.040 Target and Best Buy are both based out there too, so a lot of 2483 02:25:56.079 --> 02:25:58.600 times they'd be showing it to all three You know that that usually was a 2484 02:25:58.639 --> 02:26:01.879 little closer to release, but yeah, every once in a while it would 2485 02:26:01.879 --> 02:26:05.440 be like six months before you know, Skyrim launches sky Rims in the office 2486 02:26:05.479 --> 02:26:09.520 or whatever before Skyrim's announced, you know. Yeah, so that was always 2487 02:26:09.520 --> 02:26:11.719 really cool to see that. So yeah, I remember talking to different people 2488 02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:13.399 about like pitching their games to Game Informer and stuff like us, Yeah, 2489 02:26:13.440 --> 02:26:16.159 we're trying to get a GI cover, so you know, like this game 2490 02:26:16.200 --> 02:26:18.760 that hasnt been announced yet, I gotta go out there and hopefully those guys 2491 02:26:18.799 --> 02:26:22.479 will bite on it because yeah, we need it or whatever. One of 2492 02:26:22.520 --> 02:26:24.760 the one of the things we shifted to, like towards the end of my 2493 02:26:24.840 --> 02:26:26.959 time, as if when I was doing video is we would start with the 2494 02:26:28.479 --> 02:26:31.559 well put together these like packages where I was like, okay, you have 2495 02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:35.639 the EGM cover, and then while we're there doing the EGM cover story anyway, 2496 02:26:35.760 --> 02:26:39.000 let's just film it and then we'll put that out as a video at 2497 02:26:39.079 --> 02:26:41.440 this timing and then you know, there will be web stories on it and 2498 02:26:41.600 --> 02:26:45.440 this timing, and so you got like a month of stuff and I know, 2499 02:26:45.639 --> 02:26:48.479 like Game Informer does that stuff now too, and they do it really 2500 02:26:48.559 --> 02:26:50.319 well, like the stuff that Ben does and with the with the video they 2501 02:26:50.360 --> 02:26:54.719 do some really great Remember seeing like it seemed like One Up was trying to 2502 02:26:54.760 --> 02:26:58.639 go for like that almost cover approach, like the month we're cover story coming. 2503 02:26:58.840 --> 02:27:03.959 Yeah, that's right. Remember thinking of that was like interesting to try 2504 02:27:03.040 --> 02:27:05.440 to like solve that problem. It was trying to like, yeah, I 2505 02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:09.000 was trying to like use every part of the Buffalo thing and also trying to 2506 02:27:09.159 --> 02:27:13.760 like yeah compete with with with game and formal that just had the sheer raw 2507 02:27:13.959 --> 02:27:18.479 numbers. I remember, I remember being super jealous of you guys having that 2508 02:27:18.959 --> 02:27:22.600 kind of like what do we have that nobody else has because we would be 2509 02:27:22.639 --> 02:27:24.680 able to get like first hands on at the drop of a hat. You 2510 02:27:24.680 --> 02:27:26.520 know. It's like you know that was that was like that like IGN and 2511 02:27:26.600 --> 02:27:30.879 Game Spot we're fighting for. And I remember there was a big deal with 2512 02:27:31.079 --> 02:27:33.239 like buying a Commando of Street Fighter four, like Capcom was getting ready to 2513 02:27:33.239 --> 02:27:37.239 announce both those games. It was like it was the first time when we 2514 02:27:37.319 --> 02:27:41.319 were like finally gonna like actually announce a game and I think you guys got 2515 02:27:41.360 --> 02:27:43.120 Street Fighter four, yeah, and we were actually like I was actually super 2516 02:27:43.159 --> 02:27:46.399 psyched for buying a Commando because I was like, fuck, yeah, dude 2517 02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:50.600 buying a Commando and then maybe in retrospect should have maybe foddled it harder for 2518 02:27:50.680 --> 02:27:54.280 the other one, but could have gone either way. Yeah, it could 2519 02:27:54.280 --> 02:27:56.840 have gone either way. Yeah, yeah, but generally we didn't. We 2520 02:27:58.040 --> 02:28:01.159 didn't break games, you know, right, Yeah, that was and there 2521 02:28:01.280 --> 02:28:05.040 was still like a big premium on print. Just people. It's just this 2522 02:28:05.200 --> 02:28:09.600 irrational like seeing your game on a cover of a printed thing, even if 2523 02:28:09.680 --> 02:28:13.000 it was there's a lot of executives that didn't understand the Internet, but you 2524 02:28:13.079 --> 02:28:16.440 could hold that thing in their hand and go up okaye on there at the 2525 02:28:16.479 --> 02:28:20.000 grocery store or whatever like that. That mattered even a lot of people, 2526 02:28:20.120 --> 02:28:24.200 even as a writer, just having this tangible thing like I've got these fifty 2527 02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:26.559 five sixty whatever issues game in form, Like it's it's cool seeing that go 2528 02:28:26.639 --> 02:28:30.639 to print every month. Yeah. Yeah. And the process of doing those 2529 02:28:30.639 --> 02:28:33.200 cover story trips was great too, because we would always send three guys, 2530 02:28:33.239 --> 02:28:35.680 so like we'd go out to the studio and I would write the ten to 2531 02:28:35.719 --> 02:28:39.159 twelve page print cover story or whatever, and then like Tim Turry would be 2532 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:43.600 in charge of the written online content for the month. So that was all 2533 02:28:43.680 --> 02:28:45.959 different stories and stuff. You know, that was you know, features on 2534 02:28:46.040 --> 02:28:48.120 the characters or the weapons or whatever. And then Ben Hanson was putting together 2535 02:28:48.280 --> 02:28:52.399 you know, four or five or more video features that would run online, 2536 02:28:52.559 --> 02:28:54.120 right, so you know, definitely dividing up the duties and stuff. But 2537 02:28:54.200 --> 02:28:56.479 those are always really fun to go on, right right, Yeah, And 2538 02:28:56.520 --> 02:29:00.399 if you're into that game, like that's great. Oh yeah, the people 2539 02:29:00.440 --> 02:29:03.000 and there's a lot of content. So it was always just fascinating seeing the 2540 02:29:03.079 --> 02:29:07.079 pitches or just you know, there was always this feeling of like someone who 2541 02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:11.000 you know loves games and grew up that way. Like there was always this 2542 02:29:11.200 --> 02:29:13.440 kind of off factor of like here I am seeing this thing. Oh yeah, 2543 02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:18.239 like a dozen people know about it completely. Yeah. I remember like 2544 02:29:18.559 --> 02:29:22.319 playing the Splinter Saw. I think Pandoor Tomorrow was the first one with the 2545 02:29:22.399 --> 02:29:28.159 multiplayer and it was such a like the like completely unbalanced nature of it, 2546 02:29:28.360 --> 02:29:31.719 like just completely blew my mind. And you know, seeing that so many 2547 02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:35.040 months before anybody had knew about it or thought about that kind of thing. 2548 02:29:35.120 --> 02:29:37.360 I was just one example, but like, yeah, there was a lot 2549 02:29:37.360 --> 02:29:43.760 of stuff in Japan to get into Mist Japan Trips Man were amazing. Got 2550 02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:48.479 to play metal gears solid like before anyone they had this one pressure to their 2551 02:29:48.879 --> 02:29:50.959 offices where I met Cojimi where he wasn't really a big deal yet just like 2552 02:29:52.040 --> 02:29:54.479 a regular dude and he was and you'd show too because you had access to 2553 02:29:54.639 --> 02:29:56.760 his office, like, which come on, would not happen now. But 2554 02:29:56.879 --> 02:30:00.959 like those are great. Those are like amazing to be to just be to 2555 02:30:01.040 --> 02:30:03.639 be a part of you know, the level of access you guys are talking 2556 02:30:03.680 --> 02:30:05.879 about in print is like something we could never dream of, you know, 2557 02:30:05.040 --> 02:30:07.680 just you know, yeah, we would get it here and there, but 2558 02:30:07.719 --> 02:30:11.600 it just but now with the way things are at some point, going and 2559 02:30:11.719 --> 02:30:16.360 producing long form content is not the smartest thing you could be doing at some 2560 02:30:16.440 --> 02:30:20.680 point, Like it's it's because there's so many people out there live streaming everything, 2561 02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:22.360 like they're the you know, it's why we do all these quick looks 2562 02:30:22.360 --> 02:30:24.959 and all the other stuff. Is like, you know, that's that's what 2563 02:30:24.239 --> 02:30:26.639 the audience seems to want these days, and that's that's cool too. Like 2564 02:30:26.719 --> 02:30:31.000 I actually the quick look really like the kind of thing it's that unfettered just 2565 02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:33.200 like you know, like, hey, the game's out, but like we're 2566 02:30:33.280 --> 02:30:35.799 just gonna give it to you. Raw right here. It is for reels. 2567 02:30:35.879 --> 02:30:37.760 Ye. Uh, it's just like fun in a different way. Yeah. 2568 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:41.639 I think the quick look is the one thing because and I was working 2569 02:30:41.719 --> 02:30:43.959 in video when I left, but the quick look was something like, what 2570 02:30:43.159 --> 02:30:46.239 fuck? Why didn't why don't we just do that? Because you spend all 2571 02:30:46.239 --> 02:30:50.760 this time, like you know, editing together something, but you're not really 2572 02:30:50.879 --> 02:30:56.319 getting anything better than somebody just laying it out a normal conversation playing it and 2573 02:30:56.600 --> 02:30:58.639 uh, and of course so much you know, more efficient, so much 2574 02:30:58.719 --> 02:31:03.559 quick. But yeah, it does save a lot of time for sure. 2575 02:31:05.239 --> 02:31:09.799 Let's keep this nostalgia train rolling. With a very simple email from Elizabeth, 2576 02:31:09.559 --> 02:31:13.840 it says, based on the number of devs dropping out, how long before 2577 02:31:13.879 --> 02:31:18.120 Giant Bomb stops covering E three? As long as there's an E three, 2578 02:31:18.239 --> 02:31:22.000 you know it'll be covering. That was the thing I said, is like, 2579 02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:24.000 you know, as long as there's enough developers in one place at E 2580 02:31:24.120 --> 02:31:28.159 three for us to like do our night show and and do all that sort 2581 02:31:28.159 --> 02:31:31.680 of stuff like it's worth doing. You know. They of the information comes 2582 02:31:31.680 --> 02:31:35.360 out of the press conferences anyway, so the people showing on the show floor 2583 02:31:35.319 --> 02:31:39.159 kind of doesn't matter. And with that I'm gonna run to the restroom. 2584 02:31:39.280 --> 02:31:43.760 Guys, take the rest of this stuff. Sorry, all right, uh, 2585 02:31:45.159 --> 02:31:48.120 all right, now's the perfect time to read this email. We can 2586 02:31:48.280 --> 02:31:54.159 we can speak candidly from Luke and Little Rock. Hi, Luke. The 2587 02:31:54.280 --> 02:31:58.760 subject line just says in all caps with the space between each letter at Surrus 2588 02:31:58.879 --> 02:32:03.520 regime, my goodness. With two of my favorite Destiny podcasts combiding forces today, 2589 02:32:05.120 --> 02:32:07.440 I wondered if Mark could give his thoughts on the state of the game 2590 02:32:07.520 --> 02:32:11.000 Curly and what he expects in the spring and fall updates. Also, what 2591 02:32:11.079 --> 02:32:15.840 features in the division would you like to see in Destiny? Interesting? Yeah, 2592 02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:18.559 there's probably good at least for the first part that the Jeff went the 2593 02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:26.319 room. So I am not have not been playing Destiny the last few weeks, 2594 02:32:26.360 --> 02:32:28.360 and I'm okay weeks really yeah, you made it that long. Yep, 2595 02:32:28.639 --> 02:32:31.600 no kidding. Yeah, I'm completely fine with it. And at first 2596 02:32:31.719 --> 02:32:35.680 it felt like wrong, it felt like there's something wrong with the game if 2597 02:32:35.719 --> 02:32:41.600 I'm not playing it, and you know, bsur I would Resurre didn't have 2598 02:32:41.840 --> 02:32:45.639 stuff exciting, and the weekends would go by where I didn't I'm like, 2599 02:32:45.639 --> 02:32:48.239 shit, I didn't even I don't even know what Zor had last weekend, 2600 02:32:48.520 --> 02:32:50.959 Like who am I? Who am I anymore? It's part of that just 2601 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:54.920 because you were kind of getting everything you need wanted at that point, like 2602 02:32:54.959 --> 02:32:58.799 there's only so many items to sell exactly, there's not there's not new stuff, 2603 02:32:58.799 --> 02:33:01.280 and there's not news enough to use new items on anyway. And I'm 2604 02:33:01.319 --> 02:33:05.440 not big into the PvP stuff, so if I was, maybe I'm still 2605 02:33:05.520 --> 02:33:09.559 be more worried about like the Trials as Cyrus stuff or you know, I've 2606 02:33:09.600 --> 02:33:15.760 been to an Iron banner or whatever. But I'm now okay with it because 2607 02:33:15.920 --> 02:33:20.280 I look at the number of hours that I have played Destiny and the amount 2608 02:33:20.319 --> 02:33:24.520 of money that I paid for it, and it's completely ridiculous, Like I'm 2609 02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:26.959 not paying a monthly fee. If I was paying a monthly fee, this 2610 02:33:26.120 --> 02:33:31.520 whole dynamic changes completely and I'm pissed off. Why do I not have stuff 2611 02:33:31.559 --> 02:33:35.120 to play right now? Blah blah blah. But would you pay a monthly 2612 02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:37.600 fee if you did have new stuff to play all the time? So so 2613 02:33:37.760 --> 02:33:41.879 the the the reverse of it is, it's money is being left on the 2614 02:33:41.959 --> 02:33:45.399 table, because I absolutely would be happy to be paying more money right now 2615 02:33:45.479 --> 02:33:48.239 to be getting more new content. But now that I'm not, I'm I 2616 02:33:48.360 --> 02:33:54.520 have time to be playing other games. Like now you know, I'm going 2617 02:33:54.559 --> 02:33:58.280 to be traveling a lot this month, i have division to be playing. 2618 02:33:58.479 --> 02:34:01.719 So I am. I am fine with it. I want them to be 2619 02:34:01.879 --> 02:34:07.079 making more new, good, really good content. I'm still you know, 2620 02:34:07.200 --> 02:34:11.159 they're still kind of vague about what's going to be coming in in what updates, 2621 02:34:11.280 --> 02:34:16.040 Like they're like a sizeable update. I don't know what that means. 2622 02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:18.760 So they're raising the light level which is spring update and some new content, 2623 02:34:18.959 --> 02:34:22.959 right, but who knows what that means, right, And so I'm hoping 2624 02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:24.719 that that will mean a raid because that's my favorite part of the game, 2625 02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:31.760 and that's the most replayable stuff to me as well. But but I'm I'm 2626 02:34:31.799 --> 02:34:35.680 actually fine. Like again, it felt weird just because at first, because 2627 02:34:35.760 --> 02:34:39.760 I have been playing it so regularly for so long to actually stop for a 2628 02:34:39.799 --> 02:34:41.760 while and it was like, yeah, what the fuck? What's going on? 2629 02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:45.000 This is messed up? Why isn't not? And it's like, well, 2630 02:34:45.079 --> 02:34:48.559 actually, wait a second, I've played it for probably like seven hundred 2631 02:34:48.600 --> 02:34:52.159 hours or something like that, Like why not stop and play some other games? 2632 02:34:52.559 --> 02:34:54.959 That's fine, I'll put it on the shelf like like you know, 2633 02:34:54.200 --> 02:34:58.840 like they say, and uh, and then I hope when the new content 2634 02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:03.920 does come that it's not like like the Sparrow Racing didn't really do it for 2635 02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:07.719 me and that kind of stuff. So I want new reel Like I would 2636 02:35:07.760 --> 02:35:11.440 love to have another Raid. I would love to have more like strikes, 2637 02:35:11.520 --> 02:35:16.840 like actual replayable content. So so yeah, so I'm not playing it right 2638 02:35:16.879 --> 02:35:20.520 now, but I'm not like disappointed or unhappy that I'm not playing it. 2639 02:35:20.600 --> 02:35:24.879 I guess if they added a bunch of AK forty sevens. So that's that's 2640 02:35:24.920 --> 02:35:28.799 that's the second part of the question. What what do you need from from 2641 02:35:28.040 --> 02:35:33.520 from the division now in Destiny AK forty sevens Okay, as much as possible. 2642 02:35:33.719 --> 02:35:41.079 No, I don't know. Beanies, uh backs, Yeah, hats. 2643 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:43.760 That's another thing about the division, Like the hats. They have different 2644 02:35:43.840 --> 02:35:46.840 names, but I swear to god they look exactly the same. Yeah. 2645 02:35:48.120 --> 02:35:50.399 There's like one has like a you know, like a crest on it or 2646 02:35:50.479 --> 02:35:54.520 something and the other doesn't. And they're named it's like if it's totally different 2647 02:35:54.520 --> 02:35:58.360 things. It's the modern one. Yes, the thing don't exactly It's like, 2648 02:36:00.479 --> 02:36:03.520 yeah, I don't know. I I do think that there's uh, 2649 02:36:03.360 --> 02:36:09.120 I like the real world settings of Divisions, So if I had to answer 2650 02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:11.200 that question, I don't know, maybe more stuff set on Earth, different 2651 02:36:11.200 --> 02:36:18.559 parts of Earth to see kind of what's going on and in the other parts 2652 02:36:18.600 --> 02:36:22.600 of the world besides Russia. I don't know. What about you, Bren 2653 02:36:22.680 --> 02:36:24.159 Oh gosh, I don't know. Well, I haven't played enough Division yet 2654 02:36:24.200 --> 02:36:28.000 to really say. What about the first part of the question, what about 2655 02:36:28.040 --> 02:36:31.559 your feelings on dude? I don't know. I stopped playing that thing when 2656 02:36:31.639 --> 02:36:33.719 it taken King come out mid September. Yeah, I think I made it 2657 02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:37.680 two about in mid October. Then, just did you ever do the raid? 2658 02:36:37.719 --> 02:36:39.280 Did you do? Oh? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 2659 02:36:39.280 --> 02:36:43.200 I never did hard mode, but I did the regular raid okay five six 2660 02:36:43.239 --> 02:36:46.479 times. Yeah, Sparrow Racing was not not into it, like the Valentine 2661 02:36:46.559 --> 02:36:50.319 stuff. Like I just yeah, I didn't nothing they've done. I just 2662 02:36:50.360 --> 02:36:52.799 don't like the competitive parts of Destiny very much at all. So it's, 2663 02:36:54.520 --> 02:36:56.719 you know, the more the time they spend on that, the more I 2664 02:36:56.760 --> 02:37:01.600 feel like they should be spending that time on better, more interesting single player 2665 02:37:01.719 --> 02:37:07.200 or you know, right, it feels like that stuff is probably like easier 2666 02:37:07.319 --> 02:37:11.479 for them to make to get stuff to than the you know, the amount 2667 02:37:11.520 --> 02:37:15.440 of replayability that that stuff gets out of the community is probably higher. But 2668 02:37:15.559 --> 02:37:18.680 on the same way, I don't. I don't really play the PvP stuff 2669 02:37:18.719 --> 02:37:22.280 that much. So, yeah, some people are super into it and that's 2670 02:37:22.280 --> 02:37:24.479 great for Yeah, yeah, not us. I guess there are other games 2671 02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:28.959 I'd rather play for PvP stuff. Yeah, all right, I know, 2672 02:37:30.120 --> 02:37:33.159 eight four guys, y'all got meetings to get to and whatnot. But a 2673 02:37:33.200 --> 02:37:37.200 couple more questions came in for you. This one's from Lychon in the Massachusetts 2674 02:37:37.440 --> 02:37:41.280 I guess of gaff fame. He also know, how much of a game 2675 02:37:41.319 --> 02:37:45.920 do you typically need to play when you're localizing it? For example, do 2676 02:37:45.920 --> 02:37:48.520 you need to play every quest, side quest, mini game, and or 2677 02:37:48.639 --> 02:37:52.840 any other miscellaneous activity in order to make sure the localization is correct. That's 2678 02:37:52.840 --> 02:37:56.079 a good question. I mean, ideally you would, but most times you 2679 02:37:56.440 --> 02:38:01.479 you can't do that. So, like, I think you need to get 2680 02:38:01.600 --> 02:38:05.000 a good idea of the game in general, for sure, but then you 2681 02:38:05.079 --> 02:38:09.879 know you're going to go through a quest if you're it depends, you know, 2682 02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:13.680 if you're translating something or if you're editing it or if you're just overseeing 2683 02:38:13.719 --> 02:38:18.920 the project. Right, it's all different answers. But like we try to 2684 02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:20.040 see it all anyway though, right, I mean, like even if you 2685 02:38:20.120 --> 02:38:24.479 can't play it, we'll get videos of it, or we'll get information we 2686 02:38:24.600 --> 02:38:26.959 need on it, right, right, But I mean, I'm not going 2687 02:38:26.040 --> 02:38:31.040 to watch I'm not going to watch somebody play through and beat every monster and 2688 02:38:31.079 --> 02:38:35.520 Monster Hunter like six thousand times that you know is required. I'll just but 2689 02:38:35.639 --> 02:38:39.520 I need to see the parts of it that have the story and the dialogue. 2690 02:38:39.559 --> 02:38:43.479 I need to see the character talking and like that setting and stuff like 2691 02:38:43.559 --> 02:38:48.680 that. And so if I have one character in the game, you know, 2692 02:38:48.760 --> 02:38:52.040 you might have debug tools and stuff where you can just Okay, I'm 2693 02:38:52.079 --> 02:38:54.920 going to now just talk through with this character and see everything that they say 2694 02:38:54.959 --> 02:39:00.079 through the game. Ideally, at some point before you're finished with that, 2695 02:39:00.120 --> 02:39:01.840 you experience the game as close as you can to the way that the player 2696 02:39:01.920 --> 02:39:05.319 will because a lot of times in ways that will surprise you, you'll want 2697 02:39:05.360 --> 02:39:09.959 to change the dialogue based on you know, oh, I just I talk 2698 02:39:09.040 --> 02:39:11.520 to you, but I haven't talked to you or seen you, you know, 2699 02:39:11.719 --> 02:39:15.799 in the village or whatever for twenty years and then suddenly we're talking again. 2700 02:39:16.280 --> 02:39:18.159 If that's not acknowledged at all, it just sounds that feels weird, 2701 02:39:18.399 --> 02:39:22.200 And a lot of times that's the kind of stuff that I think goes into 2702 02:39:22.280 --> 02:39:26.399 a good or bad localized game is stuff that if somebody's just seeing on a 2703 02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:31.040 page and translating it, you would never get that. But if if somebody 2704 02:39:31.159 --> 02:39:33.879 is is actually seeing it in game and then tweaking it after the fact, 2705 02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:39.239 like that's that's where that last little five percent at makes a huge difference. 2706 02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:43.000 Definitely. I was curious about how generalized are the tools you're working with from 2707 02:39:43.040 --> 02:39:46.079 game to game, Like does it very pretty dramatically like like are you are 2708 02:39:46.159 --> 02:39:50.760 you able to like input localized text and immediately see it reflected in like a 2709 02:39:50.840 --> 02:39:54.159 running version of the game. I'm sure it's very rare that's being able to 2710 02:39:54.319 --> 02:39:56.959 like name names obviously for clients and stuff. Some people really have their shit 2711 02:39:58.040 --> 02:40:00.799 together like in amazing ways where like you can what you just said, like 2712 02:40:00.879 --> 02:40:03.520 I could literally like change the text in a game, hit a button and 2713 02:40:03.559 --> 02:40:07.319 then it's like appears on screen, which is amazing versus other times when it's 2714 02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:09.159 like we're lucky if we even get to see it, if you see it 2715 02:40:09.239 --> 02:40:13.399 at all, you're ever just providing text back to the developer in there. 2716 02:40:13.479 --> 02:40:16.440 Oh yeah, lots like and you know, you don't even know necessarily, 2717 02:40:16.559 --> 02:40:20.440 like how wide the window is going to be the text is going to go 2718 02:40:20.520 --> 02:40:22.440 into and so line breaks and stuff, line breaks and stuff. Yeah, 2719 02:40:22.479 --> 02:40:26.600 that was that was something when I there's not a lot of information out there 2720 02:40:26.600 --> 02:40:31.000 about this stuff, but like reading about how like SNSs RPGs were localized stuff 2721 02:40:31.000 --> 02:40:33.559 and like like buy facts. Yeah, like you literally buy facts machine, 2722 02:40:33.799 --> 02:40:37.559 right, people would be like no, this is messed up right in the 2723 02:40:37.600 --> 02:40:41.719 facts right. But but also like they yeah, they they like it sounded 2724 02:40:41.760 --> 02:40:45.440 like they didn't even have the ability to like make the text windows longer when 2725 02:40:45.440 --> 02:40:48.600 they needed to because they were locked to whatever size they were for the Japanese 2726 02:40:48.239 --> 02:40:52.360 stuff like the number of limitations and restrictions you were working with just sounds like 2727 02:40:52.399 --> 02:40:56.559 completely so back in the day they would they would basically have to input the 2728 02:40:56.600 --> 02:41:01.360 English text writing the code so like right between the the the different like macros 2729 02:41:01.399 --> 02:41:05.680 and such, and like just thinking about that now, it sounds like such 2730 02:41:05.719 --> 02:41:07.239 a nightmare compared to how we happen now. I mean it's way better now. 2731 02:41:07.280 --> 02:41:09.319 It's not perfect by any means, but it's a lot better to the 2732 02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:13.799 Sometimes you'd literally just get like a print out of a dump of the code 2733 02:41:13.840 --> 02:41:16.520 and it's like, okay, let's go through. Okay, somebody here is 2734 02:41:16.520 --> 02:41:18.920 saying like, welcome to my shop. Okay, this must be like a 2735 02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:22.559 shop. I have no idea where it isn't a game, but I'm just 2736 02:41:22.600 --> 02:41:26.399 gonna put you know, a unique I'm gonna this might it might say welcome 2737 02:41:26.399 --> 02:41:30.920 to my shop in four different places, but I'm gonna put a different thing 2738 02:41:31.040 --> 02:41:35.239 in English and texts so I can figure out where is leading to where myself, 2739 02:41:35.479 --> 02:41:37.719 you know, And then that you get a romback a month later and 2740 02:41:39.120 --> 02:41:41.479 you know you put two question marks. Okay, that's that one. I'm 2741 02:41:41.520 --> 02:41:45.840 going to change it to this. So you're like completely reverse engineering and actually 2742 02:41:45.920 --> 02:41:52.959 to a surprising degree still today with modern games you would be surprised about you 2743 02:41:52.079 --> 02:41:58.239 still have to do things kind of like that. It's not there's not uniform 2744 02:41:58.319 --> 02:42:03.159 tools. A lot of people, you know, at least use Excel now, 2745 02:42:03.399 --> 02:42:05.200 Like you'll get a sheet that just has a lot of Japanese and you 2746 02:42:05.239 --> 02:42:09.559 put the English next to it. But like, you know, having context 2747 02:42:09.639 --> 02:42:13.319 for stuff and what happens and things like that is shockingly rare. So like, 2748 02:42:13.760 --> 02:42:16.559 you know, you'll have a big thing of conversation and in the middle 2749 02:42:16.600 --> 02:42:22.079 of it, this person just gave you like a super like sword or something, 2750 02:42:22.360 --> 02:42:26.600 but nothing in the text says that or acknowledges that, and so you 2751 02:42:26.719 --> 02:42:30.520 don't realize that unless you're playing the game along with it, and that's super 2752 02:42:30.600 --> 02:42:33.319 time consuming. And so yeah, there's a lot of reasons for games to 2753 02:42:33.559 --> 02:42:37.280 be like badly localized. So when you find one that's that's good, it's 2754 02:42:37.360 --> 02:42:41.639 usually Yeah, it's usually a combination of the tools being actually really good and 2755 02:42:41.719 --> 02:42:46.079 the people like really caring. It's crazy to hear that it's still like that. 2756 02:42:46.680 --> 02:42:48.879 That sounds like the stuff that people deal with twenty years ago, you 2757 02:42:48.920 --> 02:42:50.040 know, you know, you would think every game would be like that, 2758 02:42:50.120 --> 02:42:54.520 where you can just like put in the text and then immediately hit a button 2759 02:42:54.600 --> 02:42:58.399 and see, But that is really rare. We love it when that happens, 2760 02:42:58.479 --> 02:43:01.959 but that is crazy rare. It makes a big difference. A lot 2761 02:43:01.000 --> 02:43:03.959 of times these guys are making to get their games in Japan, not really 2762 02:43:05.159 --> 02:43:07.040 thinking about the outside audience, you know, from day one. I mean, 2763 02:43:07.239 --> 02:43:09.719 sometimes it's because they never think their game is gonna get localized, and 2764 02:43:09.760 --> 02:43:13.520 other times just because they're not planning properly, you know. But other times 2765 02:43:13.559 --> 02:43:16.879 it's like they're just busy enough getting the game out in Japan and then immediately, 2766 02:43:18.399 --> 02:43:20.000 you know, after crunching for like six months, it's like, okay, 2767 02:43:20.239 --> 02:43:24.440 now it's time for like e figs for the for the English and the 2768 02:43:24.520 --> 02:43:28.120 European version, and they're just you know, super fucking burned out. You 2769 02:43:28.200 --> 02:43:31.520 may have heard, but game industry producers are notoriously bad at scheduling, and 2770 02:43:31.520 --> 02:43:33.559 I don't think that's just the Japan thing, but but yeah, it's pretty 2771 02:43:33.719 --> 02:43:39.200 it's pretty bad problem. But yeah, so it would be great if there 2772 02:43:39.719 --> 02:43:48.360 would become some some companies have custom made really badass tools, but it would 2773 02:43:48.360 --> 02:43:52.000 be cool if if some kind of universal standard happened. So especially with like 2774 02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:58.040 indie games and stuff like that, you know, and going into Japanese as 2775 02:43:58.079 --> 02:44:01.680 a whole different other problem because we also do like English and the Japanese stuff, 2776 02:44:01.680 --> 02:44:05.559 and so having your game be able to handle those kind of non non 2777 02:44:05.840 --> 02:44:11.120 Western character fonts and uh and look good and having like a decent font and 2778 02:44:11.159 --> 02:44:15.319 stuff like that. It's all really tough stuff. So yeah, it would 2779 02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:18.719 be nice if somebody came out with some really nice universal like middleware tools for 2780 02:44:18.799 --> 02:44:22.319 that kind of thing. I don't think I enview you your profession, No 2781 02:44:22.479 --> 02:44:26.159 you should. It sounds arduous, Yeah, for sure, it's it's really 2782 02:44:26.159 --> 02:44:28.719 good. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I kind of feel like the like 2783 02:44:28.840 --> 02:44:31.399 then moving over into local station, I kind of feel like I felt with 2784 02:44:31.559 --> 02:44:35.280 Print looking back on online, which is now looking back on the on the 2785 02:44:35.360 --> 02:44:39.040 online thing, or when I was online looking on print basically like, oh 2786 02:44:39.159 --> 02:44:43.159 man, yeah, that's that's that was pretty nice, Like when I used 2787 02:44:43.200 --> 02:44:46.159 to be able to enjoy a game on that level and I have to worry 2788 02:44:46.200 --> 02:44:50.719 about like that kind of shit. Yeah, all right, let's finish it 2789 02:44:50.760 --> 02:44:54.479 off of a couple more quick emails. Keep it a little lighthearted here, 2790 02:44:54.600 --> 02:44:58.280 Ryan and Vallejo. Do you have the choice, would you rather give Kirby 2791 02:44:58.360 --> 02:45:01.879 a big hug or punch Sonic Hedgehog in the face. You can hug Kirby 2792 02:45:01.920 --> 02:45:05.479 as hard as you want, or you can hit Sonic full force. Kirby 2793 02:45:05.559 --> 02:45:09.719 would be hard to get the arms around, he's so round. I don't 2794 02:45:09.719 --> 02:45:11.600 think you could get a full hug. Do you know how big is Sack? 2795 02:45:11.719 --> 02:45:13.639 I just I just want to hug him. You don't have you don't 2796 02:45:13.639 --> 02:45:16.200 you don't have big. I think he's about to putting a half tall half. 2797 02:45:16.440 --> 02:45:18.440 So actually, yeah, you could get based on that in my head, 2798 02:45:18.520 --> 02:45:22.000 yeah, you totally. It's like a basketball. Yeah, okay, 2799 02:45:22.319 --> 02:45:26.000 talk about Kirby. You could probably palm Kirby if you get oh that's just 2800 02:45:26.799 --> 02:45:28.600 smushy. I mean you could probably Yeah, you can dig your claws and 2801 02:45:28.680 --> 02:45:31.600 just really dig the fingertips in there. How tall is Sonic for the for 2802 02:45:31.680 --> 02:45:37.200 the Sonics four feet tall level? And just yeah, I could punch the 2803 02:45:37.200 --> 02:45:39.920 ship out of someone who's four foot tall, right, like a kid or 2804 02:45:39.959 --> 02:45:43.680 super kick. Yeah, wait, what do you what do you think Kurby 2805 02:45:43.719 --> 02:45:50.920 smells like things pleasant thing? Okay, sure, I'd probably go with Kurby 2806 02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:56.440 on that. Yeah, what if he pops on the inside, you can't 2807 02:45:56.479 --> 02:46:01.360 pop all that's horrible. I mean think it's made out diet. He probably 2808 02:46:01.440 --> 02:46:05.239 actually is rotting. He's made out of the stuff that like stretched Armstrong's arms 2809 02:46:05.280 --> 02:46:11.280 are made out of just that kind of likes. Yeah, you don't know 2810 02:46:11.319 --> 02:46:13.200 what he wants to hug that though, right, and then if it breaks 2811 02:46:13.239 --> 02:46:18.079 yet, all that gross goop comes out stretched Armstrong broke. What's on the 2812 02:46:18.120 --> 02:46:20.479 inside of those It's just this weird like like tree sap. Really, I 2813 02:46:20.520 --> 02:46:24.159 thought it was like some powdery shits. I think I remember some like Viscus, 2814 02:46:24.360 --> 02:46:28.680 like orange, yeah right, amber colored? Yeah yeah? Yeah? 2815 02:46:28.680 --> 02:46:35.319 Well okay delicious. That sounds foul. All right, dig up one more 2816 02:46:35.360 --> 02:46:39.879 email here, I'm trying to find that might have been the last lighthearted one 2817 02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:43.360 I've got. They're all about They're all about, you know, review process 2818 02:46:43.479 --> 02:46:48.280 and and and canceled games and tell people that some industry veterans are gonna show 2819 02:46:48.360 --> 02:46:52.879 up and the the nuts and bolt stuff shows up. All right, this 2820 02:46:52.920 --> 02:46:56.239 will be the last one, Alex and Utah. I was wondering if you 2821 02:46:56.239 --> 02:46:58.760 could tell us a little bit about how you review games. Do you take 2822 02:46:58.799 --> 02:47:03.280 no as you go through or do you just write up everything after you've played 2823 02:47:03.360 --> 02:47:05.440 enough of it. I was also wondering if there are any games that have 2824 02:47:05.520 --> 02:47:09.840 been ruined for you because you had to review them. For instance, Brad 2825 02:47:09.879 --> 02:47:11.239 said that the end of The Witness was kind of brutal because he had to 2826 02:47:11.239 --> 02:47:16.319 finish it on a Deadline. I have constantly done notes. Yeah, like 2827 02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:18.600 you're sitting there with a nopad in front of your I had no memory whatsoever. 2828 02:47:18.799 --> 02:47:22.879 Yeah, thanks to Lawrence Mark. Mark went to school Lawrence as well. 2829 02:47:22.040 --> 02:47:24.799 That's true. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, ever since I started 2830 02:47:24.799 --> 02:47:28.559 at Lawrence dot com, just notes on everything I'm playing, character names, 2831 02:47:28.719 --> 02:47:33.000 you know, systems and everything. As far as something that got ruined for 2832 02:47:33.079 --> 02:47:35.600 me, probably first one that comes to mind is Mario and Luigi Dream Team 2833 02:47:37.040 --> 02:47:39.600 because I had to review that before some trip or something, and I was 2834 02:47:39.639 --> 02:47:41.600 like, oh, I can play over the weekend and I'll totally get a 2835 02:47:41.600 --> 02:47:45.639 beat. Those games are usually like twenty hours long or whatever. That one, 2836 02:47:45.719 --> 02:47:48.639 for some fucking reason, was like fifty hours long. So it's me 2837 02:47:48.840 --> 02:47:50.959 just trying to get this review done for like an entire weekend, just full 2838 02:47:52.120 --> 02:47:54.040 full days playing it, and that game never ever ended. Also, I 2839 02:47:54.079 --> 02:47:56.920 think you told me about this one time. Wasn't it like in the debug 2840 02:47:58.000 --> 02:48:01.920 enclosure or something. It was done the three changed to the office. Yeah, 2841 02:48:01.079 --> 02:48:05.479 so I to go into the office all weekends punched over this three DSD 2842 02:48:05.600 --> 02:48:07.479 bug thing, and I probably would have liked that game otherwise I like that 2843 02:48:07.559 --> 02:48:11.959 series. But yeah, that was the review process for you guys back in 2844 02:48:11.000 --> 02:48:13.959 the day. I mean, is there anything different other than like what we 2845 02:48:15.040 --> 02:48:20.280 do now. Yeah, I was always a note taker time, and yeah, 2846 02:48:20.360 --> 02:48:24.360 those with the old Nintendo review things were always a pain in the ass 2847 02:48:24.360 --> 02:48:28.840 because especially the hand old stuff box flying guy out the briefcase to and then 2848 02:48:28.879 --> 02:48:31.959 the special keys would open up the lock box. Taking screenshots used to be 2849 02:48:33.040 --> 02:48:35.799 a huge pain in the ass and used to spend a lot of time trying 2850 02:48:35.840 --> 02:48:39.840 to get really good screenshots. And then finally we were like, yeah, 2851 02:48:39.920 --> 02:48:41.680 let's just use the screenshots that they send along. But I don't know when 2852 02:48:41.719 --> 02:48:46.360 the when that exactly when that switch happened, But that was a because I 2853 02:48:46.559 --> 02:48:50.920 remember my one of my first games that I ever reviewed like professionally when I 2854 02:48:50.079 --> 02:48:54.319 started as IF was Metal Gear Solid and I played through it like three times, 2855 02:48:54.399 --> 02:48:58.440 and one time was just to take screenshots, like expressly, just to 2856 02:48:58.520 --> 02:49:03.879 take screen shots. It was crazy time consuming. It was almost like a 2857 02:49:03.040 --> 02:49:07.239 second part of doing a review was like not just having to write it up, 2858 02:49:07.280 --> 02:49:11.879 but having to take good illustrative screenshots of what you were talking about and 2859 02:49:11.920 --> 02:49:13.600 then like a good screenshot with a caption. A lot of times would be 2860 02:49:13.639 --> 02:49:16.200 like, fuck, okay, I don't have any space to talk about this 2861 02:49:16.319 --> 02:49:20.000 in my review, but like I have a caption for a screenshots, so 2862 02:49:20.120 --> 02:49:24.760 I'm going to make that where I can like fit in this you know, 2863 02:49:24.000 --> 02:49:26.680 other kind of comments and things like that. So yeah, we would have 2864 02:49:26.719 --> 02:49:30.600 to capture a lot of video for video reviews and stuff like that, and 2865 02:49:30.639 --> 02:49:31.920 that was always a terrible process because it happened at the end. So you'd 2866 02:49:33.000 --> 02:49:33.959 go like, great, I'm done with this game the reviews written, it's 2867 02:49:33.959 --> 02:49:37.040 out of my way. No, I need to go back and like capture 2868 02:49:37.159 --> 02:49:41.680 like forty five minutes of footage. It was relevant to my what I'm saying, 2869 02:49:41.879 --> 02:49:43.079 And I was always the way. A lot of games don't let you 2870 02:49:43.120 --> 02:49:46.959 just go back and jump around, and that's started over the problem too. 2871 02:49:46.120 --> 02:49:50.440 Yeah, it's amazing to me that the review crew days, you guys had 2872 02:49:50.520 --> 02:49:54.079 enough manpower and time to like four guys beating a game like Sounds. So 2873 02:49:56.920 --> 02:50:00.440 that's where those other three weeks went. A lot of that though, right, 2874 02:50:00.559 --> 02:50:03.399 I mean, like, yeah, it wasn't like everybody would beat the 2875 02:50:03.479 --> 02:50:05.719 game, was it. Well, no, that was a reviewer had to 2876 02:50:05.920 --> 02:50:07.440 beat the game, and that was a big problem actually around the time I 2877 02:50:07.559 --> 02:50:13.159 came onto EGM, because our joke so so within zif. Like when I 2878 02:50:13.280 --> 02:50:16.840 first started, I was on Official PlayStation Magazine and and everybody hated the EGM 2879 02:50:16.920 --> 02:50:20.360 guys because the EGM guys saw themselves as like the flag ship, yeah, 2880 02:50:20.399 --> 02:50:24.920 flagship. They had an email coming had an email string called flagship, which 2881 02:50:26.000 --> 02:50:28.520 was like, yeah, we're the fucking flagship of the company, and like 2882 02:50:28.639 --> 02:50:33.879 you like lesser pons or and so so our our thing back to that was 2883 02:50:33.000 --> 02:50:35.799 like, well, yeah, but we actually play the games that we review 2884 02:50:37.000 --> 02:50:41.319 because we only had to have one person reviewing, you know, per per 2885 02:50:41.440 --> 02:50:43.319 game review, and like the EGM guys in the last week would be like, 2886 02:50:43.840 --> 02:50:48.239 fu, I have like three days left to play four games and do 2887 02:50:48.399 --> 02:50:50.360 all this other shit and so like yeah, a lot of times, like 2888 02:50:52.000 --> 02:50:56.200 especially in the in the old day, as those review crew things, like 2889 02:50:56.559 --> 02:51:00.680 guys would be like lucky if they, like, you know, if one 2890 02:51:00.719 --> 02:51:03.520 of the guys got to finish the game. Like that was one of the 2891 02:51:03.600 --> 02:51:05.559 reasons we switched to the format of HAT because it used to be just four 2892 02:51:05.840 --> 02:51:09.639 reviews or the same size four little boxes. Then we switched to the big 2893 02:51:09.680 --> 02:51:13.280 review system. When I was there, that was primarily for that reason, 2894 02:51:13.399 --> 02:51:16.559 like that guy is responsible for at least one of us has to really play 2895 02:51:16.559 --> 02:51:18.399 the shit out of it. The other ones could maybe stop at like ten 2896 02:51:18.440 --> 02:51:20.879 hours or whatever if they have to, and get enough to be able to 2897 02:51:20.959 --> 02:51:24.200 say their say without like, because it's just not realistic to have like four 2898 02:51:24.239 --> 02:51:28.200 people beat a forty hour RPG or whatever along with twenty other games. Some 2899 02:51:28.280 --> 02:51:31.760 cases, imagine it would even be hard to get enough copies of the game, 2900 02:51:31.280 --> 02:51:35.000 right, yeah, just logistically sometimes you only had like the one copy 2901 02:51:35.079 --> 02:51:37.120 and stuff like that. And so that was a big part of the reason 2902 02:51:37.239 --> 02:51:41.959 why we knocked it down to three people on the review crew as part of 2903 02:51:43.000 --> 02:51:45.600 the thing. And then it also we kind of made it accepted like yep, 2904 02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:48.639 Okay, the big guy is going to be the most knowledgeable, has 2905 02:51:48.719 --> 02:51:52.440 to know the games super backwards and forwards, and then the other two just 2906 02:51:52.559 --> 02:51:56.440 need to get like it really like they still need to be confident in their 2907 02:51:56.520 --> 02:51:58.520 view on the game, but then they don't need to know everything about it. 2908 02:52:00.120 --> 02:52:01.040 What the work count for that stuff is, like what is like one 2909 02:52:01.120 --> 02:52:03.959 fifty years, two hundred or remember, yeah, I mean the Small Ones 2910 02:52:05.559 --> 02:52:07.719 was really was really small. I don't like that. The big ones are 2911 02:52:07.719 --> 02:52:11.959 maybe two fifty. I feel like I'm on some dark level. I could 2912 02:52:11.000 --> 02:52:13.680 give you one hundred and fifty words and an opinion about a game, so 2913 02:52:13.799 --> 02:52:18.360 that to play part of the So that's part of the problem, right. 2914 02:52:18.520 --> 02:52:20.639 It's because you could, You could very easily, especially when it's like midnight 2915 02:52:20.879 --> 02:52:24.479 and you know you've been working late the last couple of days, that that 2916 02:52:24.559 --> 02:52:28.520 starts to seem like very appealing and it's some like, you know, fucking 2917 02:52:28.719 --> 02:52:33.920 shitty Game Boy Color game. But we were super strict about not sharing opinions 2918 02:52:33.000 --> 02:52:35.040 with each other too, so it's not like you can go to they got 2919 02:52:35.040 --> 02:52:39.639 the guy who did the big you know what do I say? Like we 2920 02:52:39.719 --> 02:52:41.440 had that to be fair, we never did that cool. Yeah, we 2921 02:52:41.559 --> 02:52:45.120 were that way with the second opinions. We had a gi for a while, 2922 02:52:45.159 --> 02:52:46.239 but we eventually had to face those out too, just because you just 2923 02:52:46.319 --> 02:52:48.440 don't have the time for two people to be playing this sea. It's like 2924 02:52:48.479 --> 02:52:52.079 we we built into our system the ability to where you can run multiple reviews 2925 02:52:52.239 --> 02:52:56.120 for a game on Giant Bomb, and as a result, I think GameSpot 2926 02:52:56.159 --> 02:53:01.440 can too, but we only use it for DLC. You know, the 2927 02:53:01.520 --> 02:53:03.879 same system is used to like it. You know if a game, if 2928 02:53:03.920 --> 02:53:07.120 we're reviewing DLC for a game, it gets kind of attached on the back 2929 02:53:07.200 --> 02:53:11.159 ends the same way that like a second review would. This is like a 2930 02:53:11.280 --> 02:53:13.159 little bit of a different topic, but what you said just reminded me of 2931 02:53:13.239 --> 02:53:16.159 it. So like, especially with street Fighter five and hearing you guys and 2932 02:53:16.200 --> 02:53:22.079 everybody talk about street Fighter five. Looking back in old EGMs, when the 2933 02:53:22.200 --> 02:53:24.239 first Xbox was announced and was announced there was going to have a hard drive 2934 02:53:24.840 --> 02:53:28.840 the thing everybody freaked out about. And I had completely forgotten about this until 2935 02:53:30.079 --> 02:53:33.920 just recently seeing this again. But everybody freaked out because everybody is like, 2936 02:53:33.200 --> 02:53:37.079 well, they're just gonna start shipping in complete games and they're going to be 2937 02:53:37.159 --> 02:53:41.799 patched them later like PC, and they would backwards and forwards, and there 2938 02:53:41.879 --> 02:53:43.639 was a whole huge thing for months about like no, no, no, 2939 02:53:43.719 --> 02:53:46.760 no, that's not gonna happen. It's gonna be just like console games. 2940 02:53:46.799 --> 02:53:50.520 No no, no, we promised, we promise, and it was. 2941 02:53:50.079 --> 02:53:56.120 But now it has become exactly what people feared it would become. It just 2942 02:53:56.239 --> 02:53:58.399 took like a lot longer. Well, it took a long time for the 2943 02:53:58.680 --> 02:54:01.079 bandwidth to get there to where they actually could put the scope of the game 2944 02:54:01.239 --> 02:54:05.639 has changed to a point where that on some level, like like the way 2945 02:54:05.680 --> 02:54:09.799 it is right now is not ideal, but the idea of like going back 2946 02:54:09.840 --> 02:54:13.000 to those dark ages and being like nope, you like send us the cartridge 2947 02:54:13.000 --> 02:54:16.840 and right, that's all your memory corrupted. Oh well yeah exactly, like 2948 02:54:18.079 --> 02:54:20.719 send us your memory card, maybe we can fix it. It's that's not 2949 02:54:20.840 --> 02:54:26.639 the answer either, Yeah, it's but you want to talk about ruining games, 2950 02:54:26.799 --> 02:54:31.159 like I never felt like reviewing a game ruined it for me, But 2951 02:54:31.399 --> 02:54:35.639 try working in localization when you have to get the entire plot of a game 2952 02:54:35.000 --> 02:54:39.559 down like in the first couple hours of knowing it, Like that's that's the 2953 02:54:39.639 --> 02:54:41.760 one thing that sucks because like we we're lucky that we get to work on 2954 02:54:41.760 --> 02:54:45.520 a lot of games that actually really like, but they're all ruined for me. 2955 02:54:45.760 --> 02:54:48.120 I mean, imagine working on a game like Near you Know, which 2956 02:54:48.200 --> 02:54:52.239 which was super plot heavy and like really down to like you had to play 2957 02:54:52.280 --> 02:54:54.559 it all the way through to really get the magic out of it. But 2958 02:54:54.680 --> 02:54:56.000 you know, for us, it's like we're going to learn all that within 2959 02:54:56.079 --> 02:54:58.399 the first week or two of working on the game. You're also the only 2960 02:54:58.440 --> 02:55:01.239 people too in just it that way, Like the Riders didn't do that. 2961 02:55:01.680 --> 02:55:05.639 The Riders, you know, came up with it over the course of months, 2962 02:55:05.360 --> 02:55:09.520 and people playing it will enjoy it over the course of forty hours. 2963 02:55:09.879 --> 02:55:15.840 You're getting like a dumb in it. That's crazy, right, Yeah, 2964 02:55:16.000 --> 02:55:18.399 it's yeah, it's It's as much as possible with stuff like that. That's 2965 02:55:18.440 --> 02:55:20.520 why, like I was saying, we'll try to at least get videos and 2966 02:55:20.520 --> 02:55:22.559 stuff. So if we're not going to be able to play through it normally 2967 02:55:22.840 --> 02:55:24.200 sometimes because it's not even done yet, at least we'll be able to kind 2968 02:55:24.200 --> 02:55:28.399 of see the flow the way a player would see it. Because it's really 2969 02:55:28.520 --> 02:55:33.079 important too. I think like kind of know the like get the same context 2970 02:55:33.680 --> 02:55:35.440 when you're translating something as a player who was getting it when they're playing it, 2971 02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:37.600 you know, because like if if you're playing a game like the first 2972 02:55:37.600 --> 02:55:41.000 time, certain emotions and feelings and stuff come out right. But like if 2973 02:55:41.040 --> 02:55:43.760 you kind of don't try to capture that the first time through, Like if 2974 02:55:43.799 --> 02:55:46.840 you try to get go through the whole game once and then go back and 2975 02:55:46.879 --> 02:55:48.719 start working on it, you just lose you know. I mean, I 2976 02:55:48.879 --> 02:55:52.879 definitely have had games super ruined for me by working on them in localization, 2977 02:55:52.959 --> 02:55:58.040 Like like The Evil Within, you know, I knew about I didn't know 2978 02:55:58.200 --> 02:56:01.000 exactly how it would end up, but I you you know, and you're 2979 02:56:01.040 --> 02:56:05.319 seeing like really crappy like animatics and you know, very placeholders stuff, and 2980 02:56:05.719 --> 02:56:11.760 so you're not like getting the surprises and like the way that it's meant to 2981 02:56:11.799 --> 02:56:13.600 be presented and stuff like that. What is about that game is it still 2982 02:56:13.600 --> 02:56:18.440 doesn't make sense even if you feel right right that's yeah, yeah, not 2983 02:56:18.639 --> 02:56:24.079 not like that that example in particular, but like like you know, seeing 2984 02:56:24.280 --> 02:56:28.760 enemies for the first time, and and like the a lot of the gameplay 2985 02:56:28.840 --> 02:56:33.159 setups and stuff in that game, you're seeing a lot of like embryonic form 2986 02:56:33.399 --> 02:56:35.479 when it's not really there, and so it's not as exciting when you actually 2987 02:56:35.479 --> 02:56:37.799 play it through. But at the same time, with those games where I'd 2988 02:56:37.799 --> 02:56:41.879 actually care about getting them ruined, playing them early is also a lot of 2989 02:56:41.920 --> 02:56:45.760 times like pretty exciting in another way. Yeah, and you see stuff that 2990 02:56:45.840 --> 02:56:48.040 gets cut and stuff that didn't never made it, and that stuff's also kind 2991 02:56:48.040 --> 02:56:50.079 of that was always the fun, like the highs and lows of like just 2992 02:56:50.120 --> 02:56:54.399 getting preview builds on the side of things exact. You know, sometimes you're 2993 02:56:54.399 --> 02:56:56.680 just seeing like three levels from the middle of a game and you're like, 2994 02:56:56.799 --> 02:56:58.440 well, I guess I just had this thing ruined for me. Yeah, 2995 02:57:00.360 --> 02:57:01.959 where every now and then get one of those games just got outright canceled, 2996 02:57:03.040 --> 02:57:05.559 but you have like a basically finished build the game. Yeah, that's that 2997 02:57:05.719 --> 02:57:07.360 is. There was another there was a totally another email that I had we 2998 02:57:07.399 --> 02:57:11.319 didn't have time for, is just asking like, what what canceled games have 2999 02:57:11.440 --> 02:57:16.079 disappointed you the most over the years. The first thing to the fact that 3000 02:57:16.399 --> 02:57:18.280 they were canceled. Yeah, just like like yeah, yeah, Metallica Car 3001 02:57:18.360 --> 02:57:22.399 Combat the first thing. I'm not saying I was at all disappointed by this, 3002 02:57:22.520 --> 02:57:24.719 but the first thing that popped into my head was thrill Kill. I 3003 02:57:24.840 --> 02:57:31.159 thought you for that reason when we had more or less finished total. Yeah, 3004 02:57:31.159 --> 02:57:33.520 there's there's a there's a mostly finished version there. They having a GI 3005 02:57:33.639 --> 02:57:37.000 somewhere in the vault, and I spent like five years trying to find that 3006 02:57:37.079 --> 02:57:39.840 though. Yeah, it's out there online leak on the internet some point. 3007 02:57:39.959 --> 02:57:43.559 Yeah, what about you saw John you saw resid Evil one point five? 3008 02:57:43.680 --> 02:57:48.079 I did did? Yeah, Man, I still can't believe that build a 3009 02:57:48.120 --> 02:57:50.319 build of that guy has gotten out since too as it has really Okay, 3010 02:57:50.319 --> 02:57:54.760 there's some stuff floating around. I'm dying to check that out because nobody had 3011 02:57:54.840 --> 02:57:58.559 seen it or anything. And I got to play it like basically at Capcom 3012 02:58:00.000 --> 02:58:01.559 and they just they're just like, yeah, I want to show you something, 3013 02:58:01.600 --> 02:58:03.120 pull us out. And we saw it and we were just like, 3014 02:58:03.120 --> 02:58:07.959 it's a very blue tended police station, right that. They show tons of 3015 02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:11.760 screenshot. Remember there's been video footage and stuff like that out now. But 3016 02:58:11.840 --> 02:58:15.799 yeah, I guess now if the whole build is out, my memory's ruined. 3017 02:58:15.840 --> 02:58:18.920 It's worthless now. Some footage got out of the original R four too, 3018 02:58:20.040 --> 02:58:22.520 right before they changed to the third person well they put it was a 3019 02:58:22.559 --> 02:58:28.479 proper footage with the like black like smoke or whatever. That was something smoke 3020 02:58:28.559 --> 02:58:31.760 Monster version of the game. It was still Leon, right, it was 3021 02:58:31.760 --> 02:58:35.479 still Yeah, but it but it was like tank controls like classic Reside eval 3022 02:58:35.639 --> 02:58:39.520 right. It was I think it was fixed camera angles, yeah, and 3023 02:58:39.719 --> 02:58:41.120 yeah, it was. It was fixed camrangles. Yeah. And there was 3024 02:58:41.200 --> 02:58:46.879 like stuff that would move, uh, and like environment stuff and you had 3025 02:58:46.920 --> 02:58:50.600 to to run. There was a lot of footage on it on a special 3026 02:58:50.959 --> 02:58:54.000 edition of R four I think right one came out that had a like two 3027 02:58:54.319 --> 02:58:58.600 minutes or three minutes of gameplay. But yeah, and then it was shown 3028 02:58:58.639 --> 02:59:01.079 at that into No conference that one time, wasn't there? There was one 3029 02:59:01.159 --> 02:59:03.719 one of those the Capcom five got canceled, right, the one with the 3030 02:59:03.760 --> 02:59:09.280 wings I forget the name o the Legendary Wings, like Spiritual what was that 3031 02:59:09.360 --> 02:59:11.159 even called? Forgot? They're really going to make a new one of those. 3032 02:59:11.360 --> 02:59:13.879 I think that's what that thing was. They didn't necessarily come out and 3033 02:59:13.920 --> 02:59:18.079 say it. But the Dead Phoenix, Yeah, I came out of or 3034 02:59:18.159 --> 02:59:20.920 something like that, something like that. Wow, I might have just made 3035 02:59:20.959 --> 02:59:24.799 that up. But I remember going to like an AM show or something, 3036 02:59:24.920 --> 02:59:28.360 and there was a Capcom fighting game there that ended up getting canned, and 3037 02:59:28.440 --> 02:59:30.520 it was like one of those like, hey, we're going to pull some 3038 02:59:30.559 --> 02:59:33.680 fighters in from different Capcom games. It wasn't it was like and then Capcom 3039 02:59:33.799 --> 02:59:37.600 Fighting Jam or maybe that's what it was called, and then Capcom Fighting All 3040 02:59:37.639 --> 02:59:39.959 Stars is what eventually came out. Evolution, Yeah, that's what it was. 3041 02:59:41.159 --> 02:59:45.680 But there was a game that was similar in scope but actually different that 3042 02:59:45.719 --> 02:59:48.600 actually seemed kind of cool. But I remember going over there and plying, 3043 02:59:48.520 --> 02:59:54.799 well, damn that got killed. Uh the cast Levannia we worked on a 3044 02:59:54.879 --> 02:59:56.959 cast Levania game like got canceled or no, that's right, it was show 3045 02:59:58.239 --> 03:00:01.879 Shingo game. That one came out. Those all came out. None of 3046 03:00:01.920 --> 03:00:05.600 those was a sequel to Symphony of the Night. Yeah, so you guys, 3047 03:00:05.760 --> 03:00:07.319 this is this is it's not like a secret out there. They showed 3048 03:00:07.440 --> 03:00:11.959 sprains and stuff like that, and they showed a CG only teaser at Tokyo 3049 03:00:13.040 --> 03:00:16.159 Game Show. Okay, what time frame was this? Yeah, this was 3050 03:00:16.559 --> 03:00:22.440 two thousand nine maybe, Yeah, you got Ego was working on it and 3051 03:00:22.559 --> 03:00:24.959 we we were localizing it and then and this is regret before the other guy, 3052 03:00:26.000 --> 03:00:28.399 the Spanish one came out. Remember, I think like they basically decided 3053 03:00:28.479 --> 03:00:31.280 this one looks better than that one, let's go with this one, which 3054 03:00:31.440 --> 03:00:35.159 you know, yeah, maybe two thousand and eight Manus nine fucking zobec ruined 3055 03:00:35.200 --> 03:00:39.639 everything. Wow, like where they were totally full on going to market it 3056 03:00:39.760 --> 03:00:43.799 as like this is the sequel to Symphony of the Night and everything. Yep, 3057 03:00:43.040 --> 03:00:46.719 yeah, I don't think it's gotten as far as like they discussed marketing 3058 03:00:46.760 --> 03:00:50.040 plans, but story but that way, yeah, exactly, And I think 3059 03:00:50.079 --> 03:00:54.159 the teaser thing that they showed I think made that made that clear too, 3060 03:00:54.280 --> 03:01:00.639 But it was not. I don't know that you need to be that okay, 3061 03:01:01.520 --> 03:01:03.639 as upset as I probably would be if somebody told me that there was 3062 03:01:03.719 --> 03:01:07.079 a sequel. I didn't. The game wasn't ever in a state that we 3063 03:01:07.200 --> 03:01:11.479 actually saw the game. We were just working for the Castalanias weren't very good 3064 03:01:11.520 --> 03:01:16.200 anyway, they weren't right. So that was around the time they made that 3065 03:01:16.280 --> 03:01:18.600 weird six player thing and kind of the symphony style and you could be alu 3066 03:01:18.719 --> 03:01:26.200 card it was five arcade, Yes, wells I thought harmony disonance was it? 3067 03:01:26.280 --> 03:01:28.760 I think it was harmony, but GBA was harmony of dissonance, right, 3068 03:01:30.840 --> 03:01:35.120 it was harmony. It was something of the fair. I don't know, 3069 03:01:35.440 --> 03:01:37.639 how do I forget? I played a shipload of that and I can't 3070 03:01:37.920 --> 03:01:43.280 That was a weird game. Yeah, we did work. I don't remember 3071 03:01:43.520 --> 03:01:46.319 either. I don't remember what. Yeah, they did like a symphony like 3072 03:01:46.399 --> 03:01:50.120 puzzle fighter thing on iOS. Yeah, it was pretty rough and leveled up 3073 03:01:50.159 --> 03:01:52.440 and stuff. Yeah, remember Kami. Yeah, they used to make games. 3074 03:01:52.520 --> 03:01:56.760 What is that crazy track and field? Right, I missed that. 3075 03:01:56.159 --> 03:02:01.319 Yeah, someday maybe someone will license out those ips or we will all learn 3076 03:02:01.360 --> 03:02:05.360 to love pachinko. It seems like it would be fun. I don't know, 3077 03:02:05.479 --> 03:02:09.360 Yeah, I know, it seems like it should be fun. Yeah, 3078 03:02:09.479 --> 03:02:11.040 you can get should be fun. You can get involved with organized crime? 3079 03:02:11.079 --> 03:02:13.360 What's not the like, no, that's yeah, I don't know. 3080 03:02:13.479 --> 03:02:18.920 Like this is not to get too tangenty, but I was reminded recently that 3081 03:02:18.000 --> 03:02:20.920 at some point SMK was talking about making a Mark of the Wolves sequel, 3082 03:02:22.000 --> 03:02:24.639 and then they showed a similar kind of teaser of like, hey, we're 3083 03:02:24.680 --> 03:02:26.799 working on this thing, and then around that same time frame, I want 3084 03:02:26.799 --> 03:02:28.879 to say, maybe like O eight oh nine, it just kind of completely 3085 03:02:30.000 --> 03:02:33.520 vanished, like or they updated on it and then never talked about it ever 3086 03:02:33.559 --> 03:02:37.000 again. Right, I guess that that just happens all the time. Uh, 3087 03:02:37.440 --> 03:02:41.360 I'm sure there's plenty of Nintendo games that will go canceled. I mean, 3088 03:02:41.799 --> 03:02:46.360 sixty two was the thing every time. Remember Fantasy Imagine getting into that 3089 03:02:46.479 --> 03:02:50.319 vault, I know, just finding that hard drive or hard drives. I 3090 03:02:50.319 --> 03:02:52.920 mean, if it hadn't I mean I played Star Fox two at like a 3091 03:02:52.959 --> 03:02:56.000 trade show, you know, before they canned it and stuff, and like 3092 03:02:56.559 --> 03:03:01.520 I just think it that on VHS that I took from that trade. They 3093 03:03:01.520 --> 03:03:03.319 don't have any way of getting it off the VHS onto like a computer. 3094 03:03:03.440 --> 03:03:05.280 But someday I want to put it on you. We do, we might, 3095 03:03:07.200 --> 03:03:09.680 we might be able to help you with that. And also that complete 3096 03:03:09.719 --> 03:03:11.000 game is leaked as well, so yeah, that's out there too, so 3097 03:03:11.159 --> 03:03:18.040 it's as the cartridge of that, like yeah, yeah, wow, that's 3098 03:03:18.079 --> 03:03:22.360 pretty crazy, including the internals of it, which is just amazing, Like, 3099 03:03:22.719 --> 03:03:24.680 yeah, they put them work into that. That's that's really cool, 3100 03:03:24.760 --> 03:03:28.360 dedicated. Yeah, that's uh yeah, I don't know, that's I wish 3101 03:03:28.520 --> 03:03:31.959 more of that stuff got out there. I mean they're they're you know a 3102 03:03:33.079 --> 03:03:35.520 lot of it does, but there's still so many things that just like never 3103 03:03:35.760 --> 03:03:39.920 get out of the idea stage that like if you if you heard some of 3104 03:03:39.959 --> 03:03:43.479 the pitches that go around this industry that don't get picked up picked up. 3105 03:03:43.520 --> 03:03:50.159 I think of a couple, it's just like their fucking craziest ship because everyone's 3106 03:03:50.239 --> 03:03:54.440 everyone's pitching to everyone always, right, So there's a zillion different weird ideas 3107 03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:58.559 that never happened. Or come like so close to happening and then fall apart. 3108 03:03:58.639 --> 03:04:01.680 I mean if people, you know, any any idea that a person 3109 03:04:01.799 --> 03:04:05.319 on message board has had has probably been pitched right and then for whatever reason, 3110 03:04:07.120 --> 03:04:09.319 like for business reasons. Well that was like going back to the quarterman 3111 03:04:09.399 --> 03:04:13.799 stuff. Half of the time with quarterman like people would be like, I 3112 03:04:13.879 --> 03:04:16.639 mean a lot of it really was true rumors, but some of it was 3113 03:04:16.719 --> 03:04:20.200 like, you know, this would be cool if this happened. Let's put 3114 03:04:20.239 --> 03:04:24.520 that happen, and then it would happen half the time it would happen. 3115 03:04:24.600 --> 03:04:26.760 So somebody was probably like, funk, how did they know? I didn't 3116 03:04:26.760 --> 03:04:28.719 even tell anybody about that yet, you know, somebody got fired somewhere. 3117 03:04:28.879 --> 03:04:33.280 Yeah. If anything, this this industry is it can be super predictable at 3118 03:04:33.319 --> 03:04:37.559 times, like I feel like you could write a rumor column of things that 3119 03:04:37.639 --> 03:04:41.680 will almost definitely happen, Right, we should start a rumor column. Yeah, 3120 03:04:41.319 --> 03:04:46.600 no, I remember we sent fake rumors to Game Centers rumor column at 3121 03:04:46.639 --> 03:04:50.799 one point and they printed him and that was fun. Was that before you 3122 03:04:50.879 --> 03:04:54.159 guys were the same company or we were the same company. I don't know 3123 03:04:54.479 --> 03:04:58.079 that got told. I mean, I actually I think we mentioned it very 3124 03:05:00.159 --> 03:05:03.000 in a super abrasive dick ish manner to the after they acquired us. Man. 3125 03:05:03.600 --> 03:05:05.719 That was always fun. Remember back in the day. I don't know 3126 03:05:05.840 --> 03:05:09.040 who was that game spot at the time, but we were out for a 3127 03:05:09.159 --> 03:05:11.840 Japan show and they were announcing the PlayStation two and I sent back this thing 3128 03:05:11.959 --> 03:05:16.479 saying that it was called the PlayStation Wonderful. Yes, and everybody picked it 3129 03:05:16.559 --> 03:05:18.319 up and ran ran it back when you could actually get away with that stuff 3130 03:05:18.319 --> 03:05:22.799 where it's just like saying something on IRC was like the only source of source 3131 03:05:22.840 --> 03:05:26.760 of news, pictures, nothing, but people still ran with it. Run 3132 03:05:26.799 --> 03:05:30.319 the US with that information. I heard it was on Madman's Cafe, so 3133 03:05:30.360 --> 03:05:37.360 we have to run it now. Fact magic box. Yeah yeah, seriously, 3134 03:05:37.479 --> 03:05:39.680 somebody fund out what Bitch X and the and fat Babies are up to 3135 03:05:39.760 --> 03:05:43.520 Tudays. Yeah, those were the days, man, just like Neil the 3136 03:05:43.600 --> 03:05:50.159 Castro rumors ye oh man rumors quote unquote, uh oh. This has been 3137 03:05:50.200 --> 03:05:52.719 a fun little trip down memory lane. Good. Yeah, thank you guys. 3138 03:05:52.760 --> 03:05:56.559 Yeah, thank you guys so much for coming in absolutely and yeah, 3139 03:05:58.280 --> 03:06:01.719 uh thanks going well anything you guys want to know. You're here doing a 3140 03:06:01.799 --> 03:06:05.959 few res related things, but anything you want to hustle or pitch here steady 3141 03:06:07.000 --> 03:06:11.719 as she goes out, one fifty episode of eight four play happens this week 3142 03:06:11.760 --> 03:06:16.079 with either Mark or myself. It doesn't really think celebrating the anniversary and stock 3143 03:06:16.200 --> 03:06:18.959 Yeah, that doesn't count. Come back at one fifty two. I'll be 3144 03:06:20.079 --> 03:06:24.719 back. You can pretend. We'll just pretend that's one fifty Uh yeah, 3145 03:06:24.799 --> 03:06:28.120 no, that's it. Uh, eight four play on the Giant Bomb part 3146 03:06:28.120 --> 03:06:31.120 of the big Giant Brown family, the Giant Bomb Network. And uh that's 3147 03:06:31.159 --> 03:06:35.280 about it. Cool. Yeah, all right, Well, as we said, 3148 03:06:35.319 --> 03:06:37.440 GDC is happening this week, we'll be kind of about doing a few 3149 03:06:37.479 --> 03:06:41.479 things, checking out some virtual realities. Yes, I hear it's gonna be 3150 03:06:41.559 --> 03:06:43.760 hot. Yeah, that's the thing. It's a thing, I guess. 3151 03:06:45.000 --> 03:06:50.040 Yes, got handful developers coming through with some wares. Wait, like zero 3152 03:06:50.079 --> 03:06:54.239 DA stuff. What are we talking about with their wares? Never mind everything 3153 03:06:54.319 --> 03:06:56.479 that I just said. It was like, well, yo, they got 3154 03:06:56.520 --> 03:07:01.040 photoshop CD keys. What are we doing here? Yeah? Uh again, 3155 03:07:01.159 --> 03:07:05.159 music, they're just trout. Yeah, check out some sixty four K demos 3156 03:07:05.200 --> 03:07:07.959 while we're at it. Yep, all right, well let's let's go GDC. 3157 03:07:09.120 --> 03:07:11.079 Then, thanks everybody for listening. We'll be back with a regular edition 3158 03:07:11.120 --> 03:07:13.520 of Jeni Bomb Cast, same time next week.