Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week covering Our Flag Means Death
Season two, episode three, The innkeeper Ye, welcome to Spacey Now.
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be spoiling anything past this episode, which is Our Flag Means Death Season two,
episode three, The Innkeeper's originally aired on October fifth, twenty twenty three,
which is the same as the last two weeks because they released them in
batches like that. It was written by Alyssa Laine and Alex Sherman and directed
by Andrew Deyong. In this episode, Dongie Sal's crew complete a successful raid
and come upon the Damnage Revenge. Steed finds the remaining crew but can't get
any information about Ed's whereabouts. Anti suspects of mutiny and advises Ying to kill
the crew of the Revenge. Steed and the crew escape pen steal back the
Revenge, taking the Red Flag's wheel in the process. Meanwhile, Ed is
in a form of purgatory referred to as a gravy basket under the care of
his former captain Benjamin Hornigold, and must decide whether to live or die.
As he begins to die, he is saved by the sound of Steed's voice
and his appearance in the form of a mermaid, and Ed wakes up to
Steed at his bedside, clutching his hand. Vibe check. Did we like
the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? What a
nice little story. It's a good episode. Care to elaborate. I liked
it. I thought it was good. It was interesting to see the two
crews finally meeting and you see the juxtaposition of their situations and how they've been
dealing with the separation. It's very interesting. Yeah, one cruise in survival
mode and the others eating soup. Yeah. And I like how Steve is
kind of learning from Uh Jao Jeong. She said it really casual in this
episode, and she said like Jang Shang Shang so shangy South. Yeah,
she's like teaching him a lot based on like he's just like taking notes.
Yeah, he's got like an apprenticeship. So yeah, it's a it's a
good episode. It kind of it gets you back to where you want to
be with the crew together and Ed and Stead are reunited. We don't know
what that's going to look like when they wake up, but like the things
we've been wanting to get back to, we've achieved at the end of this
third episode. Right, Yeah, very interesting. So for trivia, I
didn't really find any trivia for this episode. There's no trivia for Steve in
a Mermaid suit. I didn't find any. Oh, there is so much
fan art. It's as Steve as a Mermaid fan art. It's crazy.
I could not escape Mermaid Steed for like weeks that fall. Yeah. Yeah,
I do think that, like the strike, so I'd have impacted like
just how much general information was out there for the show and like, yeah,
background information for the episodes just because no one could talk about it.
Yeah, and by the time they were able to, like they were kind
of just past commenting on every single episode. I guess yeah, and I
think, like, let's think about the world stage. Like a couple of
days after that, there was like that whole issue with Gaza and Israel happening.
Oh yeah October. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like hard to
kind of focus on a show when there's actor strikes and there's like air strikes.
It's just hard. But it was a good respite for a little bit
to kind of have like that breather. But I like this episode. I
think it's cool. I like the two cultures colliding and kind of seeing each
other, like I'm trying that soup. It's great. So I must watch
for me and then Auntie being a detective, great deep sea dive. Let's
break down some of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts
with us through email or social media. We may use your comments on an
upcoming episode. Let's get into it. We start with Steed's kind of getting
a hands on lesson about raiding a ship. Yeah, like how to do
it the right way where it's not like it's obviously violent, but there's there's
like a level of decorum and there's diplomacy involved where you know he was doing
too much diplomacy and ed was too much like brutality. So this is just
like a very happy medium, like where we are doing pirate thing, but
we are also like business people. We are trying to engage and we are
working on the same side, which was interesting. And he's like, oh,
yeah, I love to talk it out as a crew, you know
whatever, Like I think that's great, and she's like, oh no,
no, if he didn't pick what I wanted him to pick, he was
definitely going to die. And he's like, oh, he was kind of
shocked that there was going to be like actual consequences too. But she's so
good at what she wants. She's so good at like presenting these ideas to
these men, and it's like at first they don't even know what to think
because he gets boarded and you know, all a one day and Steet are
there and he doesn't even see her in the middle somehow. Yeah, and
she's almost annoyed with the like predictability of everything, with the whole process of
boarding these ships. Yeah, it's her. It's a random Tuesday for her.
Yep. It's almost like she's a manager being called down the deal with
something. Yeah, he's she's a manager coming down to deal with a Karen
or a Ken. But then moments later we come upon another ship and it's
all our old friends. They look like shit. Yeah, they look like
shit. They're all in huddled in Steed's old room eating a bird. They
look like shit, and they're eating like garbage because Cookie wasn't with them,
right, the cook got stuck with the on the deserted island, so they
don't even know how to cook a bird and need it properly. Yeah,
Like, I wonder how much time has passed since we last saw them.
Was it just like the storm that ravaged them that much? Or have they
been out there trying to survive for a while. It's hard to say.
There's no there's no way to tell with this show time passing, right,
Maybe we'll figure it out when black Beard wakes up. Who knows, But
I mean, yeah, I guess not too long. If black Beard is
still able to be alive without having any sustenance, right, and nobody changing
his pants or something like when you die, if you really did you evacuate
your bowels, nobody wants to be around for that. They would have thrown
his ass overboard by then. But yeah, they're they're like It kind of
makes me think of that movie the song Hotel California, You know that that
like lyric where they're like stab it with their steally knives and like it's very
eerie, like the way that he walks in and then like he sees his
portrait all like stabbed up, and then there's like a line of like a
knife scratching through the hallway and it's just like kind of scary. Yeah,
it's got to be really surreal for him to like the last time he saw
the ship it was in good condition. Now it's like a eleminal space yeah
thing and full of knives. That scene where he looks up and it's just
knives one spot. Where do they get all these knives? That's crazy.
Who's their knife maker? Who's their knife guy? Right, it's probably taken
knives from all the ships they're rating. Maybe, yeah, they got right.
They had so much treasure they had to throw some overboard, so surely
they like plundered some knives as well. Somehow she lets them come aboard to
the ship and feeds them. Yeah, that's weird to me, those decisions
that she's making. As Auntie kind of pointed out, she's being clouded.
She's she wants to make the soft one happy. Yeah, she's putting a
lot of trust in the fact that this is all Awande's friends and Steed's friends.
So they're feeding them. They get some soup, which they seem very
happy about. Yeah, I mean after they ate Robern, I would be
too, But no word on Ed or what happened to him. No,
he's retired. Yeah, he's retired. I like that. It seemed like
that was a new concept for them. They're like, yeah, apparently if
you don't want to work anymore, you can just well, Steed introduced Blackbeard
to the idea of being retired, so I don't think they did know about
being retired, but I like that friend. She was like introducing it to
Steed as if Steve didn't know what it was. Last season, they didn't
know what a vacation was. Yeah, so they're just like full of wonder.
And then they the eucalyptus. The fact that all one day and Jim
couldn't pronounce or say the word eucalyptus was really good. They're like, I
don't know what this. It smells so nice, but I don't know what
it is. And the fact that the towels smelled nice is what causes everyone
to smell them when they received them and helps them out later when they what
they called on it to make them pass out chloroform. No, he said
it's camma meal. I don't think a meal does that. It was something.
But yeah, Auntie is on the case of figuring out what happened,
what happened to you. She's kind of like reminding me of Aragon when he's
figuring out what happened to the Hobbits, and he was like a hobbit lay
here and hear the other and they crawled their were cut. Yeah, she's
like he's a six foot hair of gray or silver or something. And then
she actually finds out that they have been keeping him, but she thinks he's
dead too. Yeah. No one checked for a pulse. No, they
don't know about pulses back then. I guess this crew doesn't like to dispose
of bodies. Not right away, but immediately after she finds that he's actually
like dead, like not retired or whatever, that it was a mutiny,
they get arrested and they put him in the jail cell. Yep, because
you know they've been pretty casual about mutiny up to this point, but we
can see that it doesn't go over well with other captains. Yeah. Yeah,
So the people who are on her crew come to visit them in the
jail cell and they're like, sorry, guys, uh, you know,
maybe she'll go easy on you. And Allawandi's definitely trying to broke her a
deal with her, but Steed he's like, hell no, we're fucking breaking
out. Yeah, And it's it's really sad that Alawande is forced to choose
in the moment. And I don't know if he's happy about his choice or
not. I think he's just like, I think there's a reluctancy, but
I think there's also like a loyalty to Jim because he's known Jim for so
much longer and they've been away from each other for a while, and they
came clean to each other about like Jim making out with Archie and everything,
and I think it's just like do you go with your crew or do you
stick around and figure out what this new thing is about. It's hard,
it's a hard decision, and I feel like Allawandi, I don't know,
I don't know if he's like he's like smart, but I don't I don't
know if he was prepared because he didn't even realize that Shang liked him.
Yeah, well, her seduction was very scary. It was scary. I
was trying to be sexy by pointing this knife at you. What do you
think? It's definitely like I'm going to kill you if you say the wrong
thing here. Yeah, so I don't know if I would feel like comfortable
with that kind of relationship personally, because that's like your boss, right,
whereas Jim is like more of his coworker. But they steal the wheel,
which is fucking hilarious, like wee John is on the case and he was
so apologetic. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry about this. They
also needed a wheel though, Yeah, they needed a wheel, but it
also helped them in their escape. Yeah, so it's like great on both
ends. It was like very well thought out their escape with Black Pete,
Like, Black Pete, you're gonna be the one who shoots the arrow?
Why me? You are just talking about how you have perfect aim. He's
such a loser. I just can't with him. Freaking Buttons could not be
quiet during there's their escape, Like this very critical moment he was just like,
oh, you grade shot. The man does not whisper. No,
he does not whisper. But I like that once he got on his ship,
he was immediately like delegating and like assigning tasks. He was ready to
move. Yeah, he's first mate. Yeah. And then when Steed came
aboard, there was a moment between him and is he is. He wanted
to like say thank you, but he didn't let him do it, and
I was like, kind of bat Like, I felt sad because I feel
like that could have been like a way for them to kind of mend their
relationship. So I don't know. I feel like they both love Blackbeard,
and I feel like they have that in common. And I think is he
starting to see the value of Steed? Yeah? You know, we've been
following is He's journey this season, but the last thing Steed saw was is
he like selling them out? Yeah? So I think it's it's a pretty
natural reaction for him to be called is he? Yeah? Yeah, is
he is. He's one of the more interesting characters to me, just because
he's been in so many different positions as like the antagonists and the victim and
the person who hates Steed and is now like indebted to Steed and it's yeah,
he's complex. His journey is not a straight line. Yeah no,
And I think that's what makes him such a strong character in this show.
I really enjoy is he Well, he doesn't do much, but I just
in the scope and the whole of the show is he is one of the
characters that definitely stands out. But in this episode, I feel like the
crew is just great together. I don't know, it just it's so It
felt so right for them to be like all gathered up and using their little
towel for that little zip line, you know, and they were talking about
paying using two towels because he's a little heavier set. It was cute.
I thought it was fun, like, you know, they're just back to
their crewdness. Yeah, and it was nice that it was the towels because
that's was the assignment on the ship. Yeah, And I don't know,
it was good. And then this show in this episode is so beautiful,
especially when we get to the gravy basket or whatever those shots. That scenery
that's setting is so gorgeous. It's so beautiful that it feels otherworldly. It's
like a place set in real life and reality, but the way that they
shot it made it feel ethereal and I felt like I believed that he was
in this other realm and it's like not anybody could just point a camera out
a beach and capture that, you know. So I was just like very
in awe of that, like being part of this little pirate show. We
had this like intermission of like I don't even know how to describe it.
It's just I was in awe. Like I just was like my my breath
was taken away. It was so gorgeous and it was weird and cool and
like like I kind of want to go to purgatory. That's maybe the first
time that's been said. I mean, you're not in heaven, you're not
in hell, You're just on this beach. Why not some guys they're making
shoes. I'm in You get to play innkeeper. Yeah, and then there's
like a pig who doesn't want to be around, a pig named Ruthie.
I don't know, I'm into it. It was really cool. It was
interesting. It's like Blackbeard coming to terms with his feelings towards himself and how
he's behaving and accepting that maybe he's got to die. That's crazy. Yeah,
well, like wondering what he has to live for. And then in
the end it's Mermaid Steed. I fucking love this scene. The scene is
like a gay fever dream, especially with Ed's hair flowing like so beautifully in
the water and Steed this magical mermaid, like made of gold almost. It's
just iconic, iconic. Those guys, they held their breath for so long.
It was great. I can't yeah, I don't. Yeah, it
was just perfect. That's and that's what like brings him back to life,
literally, like that evidence and song you know what what I'm talking about,
And and Steed like, you know, he's mourning the loss of his lover.
He's like please, Ed, like I'm sorry, and then starts moving
his hand involuntarily, and that gives Steve more hope and more drive to like
keep calling to Ed. And the last thing we see is Ed's eyes open
up. Oh it's so good. It's crazy. I don't know. I'm
just like, I can't even. Yeah. When I was when I saw
like this episode was coming up the way I remembered it, it was like
it wasn't as balanced as it actually is in my memory, like the episode
is more balanced than I remembered it being because I thought it was a lot
more of just like black Beard in the Gravy Basket. Yeah, but there
was so much else going on, and so yeah, I think I remembered
it being much more of this like just character piece for black Beard, which
it is, but I felt like it had just a lot of other elements.
Oh yeah, Yeah, it definitely moves the plot forward. The plot
was moving, it was. It's not stagnant or like a black Beard episode.
Yeah, Like in my mind, like we kind of like breast pause
and we're going to deal with Blackbeard and then we're going to pick back up.
But that's not really how it felt watching it again. No, this
show doesn't do that. This show is really good about like keeping it moving
and going and like setting you up for the next one. It's so good
like that. Yeah, it's only eight episodes this season. They got to
keep it moving. Yeah, they have a lot to get through. But
yeah, I love this episode. I think it's one of the like,
like the cinematography on it alone is just incredibly I don't know, they should
have gotten an Emmy or something for that. It's so good. People talk
about like Lost being like really beautiful and epic and shit like that, and
I'm like, yeah, but what about you know, our flag means death?
Like sure, maybe it's like the Pirates. Maybe it's like the humor.
I don't know, but people just didn't take it seriously and in a
lot of ways, and it just it's so good, it's just so disappointing.
Yeah, like sci fi fantasy, assume drama type things don't get a
lot of attention and awards. Yeah, but this one's saying so much like
even in the beginning, a woman pirate going through her like everyday shpiel to
these men about how you know, do you want to die surrendering to a
woman or do you want to work for me? Like you know, she's
girl bossing. I don't know. It's just really fun and it's like you
don't see that a lot in these kind of like I mean, you're seeing
it more now, but it's not I mean, I don't know of a
pirate show that I can think of that had like a very strong female character
that wasn't a secondary she's the captain. No offense to Kia Knightley. But
I don't believe she ever captained a ship. Maybe she did in like the
seventh movie or something, but I believe the first we ever saw her was
her being so tightly wound up in a course that she fell and couldn't swim.
I think she does become a captain at some point. I'm sure she
does. Yeah, I think everyone in that series gets to be a captain
astral queen. Who was the stand out character in the episode? Who's your
astral queen? Oh? No, A good question. Who should it be?
Minds Steve Bonnet? Steve, Yeah, for being a go getter and
a learner and just going above and beyond, and you know, standing by
his man and apologizing. So that's that's what I was saying. Yeah,
ste he makes most sense. I would say he orchestrated the escape and he
brought Blackbeard back. I probably have to pick him, unless I want to
pick Auntie's detective skills. But Wundy, she was good. She warned her
and she didn't say I told you so, and she should have. She
held her tongue, so that's also good. You're right, I mean,
you're you're more than justified and picking Auntie. No, I think it's got
to be Steed. The patriarchy wins again. Yep Steed, Mermaid Steed.
Oh yeah, Mermaid Steed. Can I put I'm gonna say mermaid Steve Steve
as a mermaid. It's just iconic. I don't know. It's just like
you see a lot of mermaids on TV, and shit, they're all women
with like seashells on their tits. How often do you see a merman rescuing
another man and kissing underwater? You may have never seen it before actually at
first. Yeah, usually they're you know, they're all jacked. They're Jason
Momoa. He doesn't he's not mermaid. He's got two feet Yeah, but
yeah, you're right there. Yeah, with those big Pepperoni nipples. There's
nothing wrong with Pepperoni nipples either. All nipples are valid, but those are
Yeah, you're right. Most of these guys have pecks and abs and they're
like impossible beauty standards. Steve is like average Joe Merman, murdude, if
you will, middle aged Murman. Yeah, I like it. I like
it a lot. Well, I think that wraps up the main part of
the episode, So we will go to the spoiler section next. Oh you
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three two one. Okay, I really want to talk about is and how
fucking tragic is arciss Okay, it's so sad, Like it's just I cannot
believe I still cannot get over the fact that he dies. Because we were
talking about like how his character is so complex and different, and there's like,
you know, he's been a victim, he's been the antagonist, and
he's gone through a fucking hell in high water to find some sort of semblance
of a life of a happiness, and the fact that he dies is just
so sad. I'm just it's so sad. I can't believe it. I
still can't believe it. I'm so upset about is he dying, Like it's
so hard to watch this show knowing that he's going to die, especially after
we see him in Calypso's birthday. Calypso's birthday is when Izy kind of metamorphoses
into who he truly is, like this beautiful, like glammed up, flamboyant
person and you see him shining and then like it all just turns to ash.
It's so sad. Yeah. I don't remember exactly what happens to him,
but I know that like he like he's searching for like where he belongs,
and he tries to like cut himself off from the crew, but they
show their respect for him by giving him that leg from the horse on the
ship. Yeah. So yeah, it's been for a heart of a character
to stomach as he was originally, Like it's such a it's tragic and it's
kind of like a beautiful arct Like seeing him today at that table when they're
all eating that bird carcass, like that's when it hit me like, like
Izzy has he's really like one of the crew. Now, he's not above
them, he's not below them, not like they're all united and equalized.
Yeah, I think and him being like willing to show the humility to say
I do want to like say thank you to Steed and like start to mend
that relationship. Yeah, yeah, that was big. That was huge for
Izzy. But I think part of it is the fact that he has gone
through like so much with black Beard, the fact that he lost his leg,
he lost a pose, like you know, pits and pieces of himself
have literally been torn off of him in order for him to be able to
feel something like you're right, he's right now, He's at the bottom.
And I think this happens a lot with people who experience the loss of like
a limb or an ability like like you know, not being able to walk
or do something like if you get diagnosed with an illness something. There's like
a grief process, and I think in this show they show they show this
show shows that grief and that loss of that former self so well, it's
not like hokey or overdone either. It's just like really real. And I'm
really happy that he has those friendships with the crew, like they're able to
forgive him for being a rat bastard. Yeah, and I know that I
know Blackbeard is he's going to be like banished from the ship, but he
gets brought back through Steed, So is he's gonna have to, you know,
be face to face with black Beard again, And I don't remember how
all that goes down, but he forever has this reminder of what black Beard
has done to him, like he can't it's always there with him. Yeah,
but it's I'm just yeah, it's such a tragic figure. I really
enjoy the character, and I'm just like every time, I just I will
not be able to forget that he dies. Watch he doesn't die, and
I forget. I'm like remembering it wrong. Maybe there's like a post credit
scene you didn't watch. Yeah, I don't know. And I'm excited for
that episode where they get that cursed outfit. Steve gets that cursed suit and
nobody likes him in that suit, even though he looks great in it,
Like, holy shit, the costume department. That's great. I'm excited for
that episode. I feel like Steve is gonna slowly become his own pirate.
I'm excited for him an Izzy to mend there and build their bridge. Anything
else any spoilers from you, I don't think so. I mean, yeah,
nothing really needs addressed. I'm willing to let the rest of the season
just come as it comes. How many more episodes? Five? Five?
That's not a lot, it's not enough. No, well man, the
show is so short. Hollywood sucks. And even like the way they released
it, it was like three three and two or something, so it was
like three weeks. Yeah, it was over quickly. Yeah. Yeah,
So I guess that's it. Yeah. Yeah, So we'll see you next
time for fun and games. Some fun new characters. Oh, we've got
those the two women running the shop, those two women and the other famous
woman pirate. I think we're name right now. Yeah. Thanks for sailing
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