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last mailbag and I like to get
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But also before we can involve into
the mailbag, we do have some not

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breaking news, but some interesting news
to get to as everything happens in Summer

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League, and I expect a lot
more rumors to come out of that soon,

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if not actual transactions. But Winhorse
did say well he was making an

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appearance on Get Up ESPN show.
We believe that the Indiana Pacers are very

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close to giving DeAndre an offer sheet
or executing a sign and trade. We

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could see something with the Pacers and
Eighten happened as early as today. I'm

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chancing recording this the night before because
I don't need to cover the Palo pan

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Caro games since he will not be
playing when he goes up against Cheth Holgren's

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Oklahoma City Thunder was looking forward to. That kind of sucks we won't see

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him play, But Pancaro was absolutely
fantastic and killed it during the games that

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he did appear in. So the
Eighten to Indiana stuff isn't new. I

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think the fact that it's progressing this
quickly might mean that it's no longer going

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to wait, at least conceptually on
what's going to happen with Kevin Durant,

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where a lot of the league still
feels in limbo. If it's a sign

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and trade, that transaction can still
be folded into the Kevin Durant framework is

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part of this larger deal. But
at the same time, I don't think

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the Nets actually want Eighton and his
base here. Compensation always made the deal

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a little bit more difficult. Not
a ton unless you were involving other teams.

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They just resigned Nick Claxton. That
organization really really really likes Dayron Sharp

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as well, so they might not
see investing in a big man as the

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smartest course of action. You're also
going to run into this issue with other

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big men like Claxton, like Dayron
Sharp. But if you're keeping Ben Simmons,

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it doesn't make sense to have like
an eighton there who there's some touch

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away from the basket, but it's
more so on like hook shots fadeaways,

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not really like a push shot.
Like could have a little bit of a

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mid range game though, and that's
just not enough range to justify investing what

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will be in nearbax money in eighten. So that is the issue there that

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I don't think in eighton transaction with
Indiana one way or the other, I

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don't think it portends anything about the
the Kevin Durant sweepstakes necessarily. And if

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you're Brooklyn, it just makes more
sense. I know people are like,

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whoa Aton hasn't even turned twenty four, hilters a later this month. If

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you're Brooklyn and you want to compete
now, but also kind of keep your

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flexibility, remain young and have room
for growth. Eton makes sense, just

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not alongside Simmons, not at that
price point. Anyway, you can approximate

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a lot of what he's going to
give you on defense and offense in a

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much cheaper fashion, which is clearly
how the Suns feel, hence why they

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haven't signed him. The Pacers.
The Pacers Soun's issue, though, so

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we're expecting something to happen, whether
it's a sign and trade or an outright

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offer sheet, because the Pacers officially
have the cap space to do so.

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If it does happen, I think
it'll probably be the as sign and trade

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for a couple of reasons. Herb
Simon has really always liked to operate this

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way with his colleagues. We saw
it with I think most recently was the

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Malcolm Brogden thing with Milwaukee, where
they turned that into a sign and trade

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where they didn't even necessarily need to. I think that's fine in this case

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as well, and including Brogden,
you're hedging your bets against Okay, well,

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what couldn't we We don't want to
give this offer sheet to Eton,

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a player we really like, and
then just have the Suns match it.

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If you want to ensure that you're
gonna get that player, then yes,

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involving the other teams makes sense to
me. Though, if there's like a

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significant opportunity that the Suns would let
Eton walk, and I don't think that

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they would. However, I do
think there's more variability caked in here than

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we would expect, just based off
everything that's happened since essentially last summer when

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the extension negotiations began. I just
wouldn't like take that to the bank,

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is my point. So if you
think there's like a better than fifty percent

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chance the Suns won't match, I
don't care about doing right by your colleagues,

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especially when you're in a market like
Indiana, Like you don't need to

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send anything back. If you don't
think they're gonna match, just pay Eton

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and then you could trade Miles Turner
elsewhere. The structure that everyone thinks is

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gonna work is Miles Turner for Eton. And because in yes, so much

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cap space based your compensation doesn't even
matter there, that could be the route

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that this goes. If they end
up giving more than that. Maybe it's

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because they believe that Phoenix was a
big a threat to match. I just

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don't think, Yeah, I guess
it's enbiable on the part of Herbsigmon to

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operate in that fashion. But if
you truly and that makes sense, I

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want to make that clear. It's
smart if you think Phoenix or another team

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dealing with other free agents is going
to match. If they're actually not going

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to, you're under no obligation to
help them out. They have the option

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of paying their own players, so
you don't need to help them out.

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For the Sun's perspective of this,
Indiana seems like the cleanest trade partner.

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You get someone a Miles Turner.
I'm assuming that's what the structure of the

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deal is going to be. Who's
going to help you space the floor.

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Not as good of a rebounder as
Deandret and you can't play him as high

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on the defensive end either, but
just having that offensive range. I think

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DeAndre Eten is probably the more versatile
offensive player at this point. When you

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look at some of his spins,
his fadeaways, his hook shots. We've

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never really seen Miles Turner yet to
do that in high volume. I don't

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know if that's something that he could
do well. We know he wants a

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more expanded offensive role. I don't
think he would get one in Phoenix.

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I think he would be a nice
fit. I also think he's I guess

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he's not underrated as a defender.
People understand how valuable or rim protectory is.

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I don't think you're losing that much
mobility on the perimeter though, going

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from Eighten to Miles Turner if you're
Phoenix, so I think that's a fine

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replacement. There would still be a
level of an uninspiring offseason if you don't

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get Kevin Durant and this is your
biggest move going from Eighten to Turner,

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and then look, the question has
to be, well, you don't want

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to pay Eighten around thirty million dollars
a year Milesters making eighteen that's fine for

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you in the intern. He's going
to be a free agent in twenty twenty

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three. Where are you willing to
pay him? Where is this going to

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end up being another rental type situation
because you can't, like, you have

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to think of the long term value
here too. DeAndre Ayton is a fringe

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All Star at this point in a
role that I guess he hasn't loved.

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It doesn't seem like, but he's
grown to excel at even if he doesn't

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consistently play with that thrust is what
I've been calling it. There are just

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games where you don't feel his presence
a lot, and those if you want

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to be a more prominent part,
especially if the offensive picture, you can't

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have as many of those games that
he tends to have. With all that

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in mind, though, if you're
a Phoenix like you need to acquire a

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Turner with the intention of paying him, And I don't know why you'd want

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to pay Miles Turner as opposed to
Deandreton. Again, I don't think the

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drop off, insofar as it exists, is even that massive. They're different

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types of players. Where I do
think that Turner is more of a like

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a shot blocking floor space or and
that's that's more of a specialist than what

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Aton does. Is like, I
think he's an understated defender like can actually

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be sort of the backling anchor.
But we've also, I'm sorry I'm tripping

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with my words here, we've also
never even seen Miles Turner in mass without

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Demonta Sabonis. He covered up a
lot I think for Sabonis during their time

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and adying together. So I don't
think the Pacers are giving away nothing.

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Even if they didn't pan plan on
paying Miles Turner, I don't know that

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this is a no brainer decision for
them. My point is with Phoenix is

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you can't just a choir Miles Turner
without the intention of have that be the

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primary part of your return and then
have that be like that's it, like

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if you need to acquire him with
the intention of paying him unless other stuff

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is coming back. If I'm Indie, I'm fighting against that because we know

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that Phoenix probably wants to not cut
payroll because they're paying more to a center

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now than they were paying eight And
if they do get Turner, that being

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said, if you have to include
like that pick you got from Boston in

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twenty twenty three, and then maybe
if I was Phoenix, I would I

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love o' shaber set, and I
think Indie loves o shaber set. That

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dude can defend all over the place, and if he hits his threes,

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I'm continue to hit them at a
high enough clip that's just super valuable.

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And there's some on ball skills there
too, but just the defense and then

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like not compromising any of your offensive
geometry. Your floor geometry is huge,

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but why would you give up that
much if you're indie knowing that you could

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just sign him out right, you
really have to believe then that Phoenix is

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going to match. And I don't
know that they've sent the message around the

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league consistently enough or firmly enough that
they'll do that. The fact that he

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hasn't signed one or that another team
aside from and he hasn't tried to give

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him one, maybe that's part of
it. I also have to acknowledge that

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the big man market is always just
sort of of one here, so and

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I'd know for a fact that DeAndre
Eton really wanted to get to the Spurs,

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and then them pivoting away from Jeante
Murray sort of made that just like

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it was never gonna happen. So
I get this from the Suns, and

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I get it from the Pacers.
DeAndre Ayton, you have all the cap

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flexibility in the world. We can
talk about should you be paying someone who's

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even though he's only twenty four,
he is a non All star at the

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moment unless you project him to be
the guy. Does it make sense to

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do that so early into what feels
like a rebuild like this is you're coming

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off of half a season, like
you're half a season into this rebuild where

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you hit that reboot button. But
cap space doesn't go as far in a

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market like we romanticize it. They
can take on bad contracts with all these

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picks. We also like, that's
fine, you could go that route,

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but I don't think you're under any
obligation. And DeAndre eton Is is young

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enough to grow with you. He
has not aged himself anywhere near out of

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a full tilt rebuild. And the
other thing to consider, it's just like

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in these books are so flexible moving
forward. There's not a bad contract on

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their ledger right now. There's not
I mean, there's not even a law

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term contract on their their ledger.
It's yeah, like right now, Daniel

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Tye or t J McConnell, and
those salaries aren't guaranteed. Those are the

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only players who are under contract for
more than two more seasons. Like,

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there's no player let's freeze it this
way. There's no player on in these

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books right now who's under guaranteed,
who has guaranteed money beyond twenty three,

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twenty four. And so we know
that Haliburton's going to be part of that

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picture. He's a slave for a
strict free agency, they'll probably extend him.

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My point is you're not compromising anything
by paying Ayden that if it doesn't

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work out, or let's just say
he doesn't provide the necessary bang for your

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buck. That is your one overpaid
player as of right now. So if

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you're looking at it through that lens, it also doesn't matter. The question

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really is do you believe that he
makes sense as sort of an anchor for

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the future, Because what I do
think you give up here is yes,

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you have your you have your high
draft pick coming out of this year.

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You also have Christy Wart, they
already on the on the roster, you

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have all shaper set I said,
so you can view yourself as more in

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the advanced stages. And I also
don't know why I called Benedict just the

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pick from this year. So you
have him who just looks like he's going

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to be infinitely scalable in the NBA. You can sort of make the move

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to be like, right, well, we just need to advance this.

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Haliburton's already really good. We have
players who can make an impact, and

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the Pacers have never operated on this, you know, full scale tear down

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mode. This is really the closest
that they've come in my memory what they

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did this past season, making that
sort of partial year tank. So I

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get that, But do you think
that DeAndre Ayton is the guy in the

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situation that's gonna accelerate this process.
I honestly don't know. I think this

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is probably Caitlin Cooper phrase this,
I believe on Twitter and hit on the

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head. This feels like a vote
of confidence and Tyrese Haliburton more than anyone

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saying that he's just ready now can
run the show now. You want a

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superior, an elite pick and roll
partner for him now, And I think

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that's that's totally fine to agree with. You're not going to get that in

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Miles. Turner has like one element
to his pick and roll game, and

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it's it's really picking and popping.
DeAndre Ayton has like a little bit of

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pop, but not so much.
He's just a harder roller, has more

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of a variable touch around the basket. I love what the pick and roll

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duo between how Burton and Eton could
do there. And then if you're surrounding

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those two with enough shooting, that
could be super super dangerous. And you're

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also, again I don't think you
drop off a ton defensively going from Eton

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to Turner. I think if I
had to push, I might call Eaton

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the more versatile defender, and tur
could textually be the more impactful one.

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If that just makes any sense to
anybody. But I'm still curious as to,

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like, what else is there to
explore with Deandret And we saw for

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a stretch him going about his offensive
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doubts to me in his I have
some doubts, excuse me about his self

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creation game. Again, I don't
think we've seen it in a high enough

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volume for me to render this verdict, But like, is there going to

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be more aggression when we're talking about
facing up and attacking guys? Can he

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go up with more force when he
is attacking at points? That consistency needs

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to be put together, and it's
it also just gets a little bit harder

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when you're not playing with a Devin
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time. Most of his court time
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the Suns, and when you're also
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a ton if you increase the self
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prominent focal point of the defense by
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I don't think it's an undefensable or
an inexplicable gamble by the Pacers. I

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do think it's a little bit of
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that there is a lot more to
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shine when you're looking at his ISO
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in Sacramento, in large part because
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so. So if you already view
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Etan to ever be the guy.
I think at this point you're looking at

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him to it's either him or or
Christa Warte. When you're looking at the

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players in the ross right now,
you'd like them to anchor the tyrese haliburtonless

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units. I don't know. Christa
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chance his offensive package of doing so
than then with Eyton. I get the

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interest, though, it would just
be a very intriguing gamble, and I

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would still call it a gamble to
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this process. It's just he's so
young and already so good and Tyrese Halibert

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and I think the more important thing
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it just makes a ton of sense
from that perspective, and you're looking at

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a deal that's probably even if it's
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be longer than four years. And
again, just looking at how early you

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are into this project. By the
time that just to phrase it this way,

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by the time that Tyres Haliburt's on
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going to be half over, and
so like there is that light at the

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end of the tunnel argument to be
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I'm just I'm very this feels like
a very aggressive and cisive move by the

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Pacers, and I'm going to be
fascinated by how the partnership, if this

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goes through, turns out with Haliburton
and what other moves are left there for

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them. I think you also probably
need to make sure that you're pairing him

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with eight and specifically with guys who
can shoot at the four. That's not

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a problem with what Jalen Smith did
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more of a five defensively but offensively, like he can do the things of

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a four, even if you're just
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you can also just go with lineups
where maybe they're a little bit smaller,

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but if you have Duarte, held
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yourself of three shooters at all times. Even Brissette we've seen be able to

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downsize, so maybe that's a potential
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floor helps you do those things.
I really hope you don't see any go

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go PADDs DeAndre eight minutes if if
that happens, I don't think we would

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see Zaiah Jackson eight minutes either.
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it is. I would say it's
in a move that the level of aggression

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to go after eight now and to
actually making a sign and trade rather than

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just get him out right. If
it's an entirely it's not an entirely different

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story, but it would be a
lot different to me if you were just

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signing him, and then maybe you're
trading Turner elsewhere, or maybe you're I

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mean, duel biggs are in vogue. We actually have a question on that.

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In a second, maybe you try
playing them together, because the way

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that Miles Turner shoots, I'd be
intrigued to see that. But it does

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feel like they're more if you want
to ensure that Phoenix isn't gonna match.

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I would still feel differently or like
this move a lot better if you had

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the option of moving Miles Turner elsewhere
or even just keeping him to maximize you're

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asked at plays. It just feels
a tinge too aggressive for me given the

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stage at which the pacers are at. But I also acknowledge this knowing I

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don't know what else I really want
them to do. It's the only The

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alternative would be letting this core marinate, essentially, maybe trading Turner and Healed,

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seeing what you could get for them, letting them marinate as expected or

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marinate or more organically without immediate reinforcement, and then you're prioritizing a high twenty

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twenty three pick before you go and
make moves like this. There's that could

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be the right way, but they'll
so this isn't necessarily the wrong way.

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E is Eightan is so young,
So those are my thoughts there. At

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this point, it does feel like
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or Phoenix. If the fact that
Wendy mentioned the potential for an offer sheet,

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I think if you see the Pacers
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they don't expect Phoenix to match.
Or maybe they're just they were getting fed

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up and tired of waiting for Phoenix
to figure out what they were doing with

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Kevin Duran, and perhaps they're trying
to lock them into something that would make

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their transactions a little bit more difficult, or they would just have to float

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Eighten for until he's trade eligible around
December January, depending on what date is

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fixed in there. They don't tend
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if they did throw an offer sheet
out there rather than make this assign and

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trade, I'm not sure if it
would be more of a harbinger of frustration

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with the Suns or that they really
believe Phoenix won't match. And I'll say

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this, I don't expect this to
be the case, But if the Sun's

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just let Eton walk if this is
not a sign and trade, if they

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decide not to match, that is
franchise malprou of the highest order. And

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I don't know who would be more
responsible, whether it's a James Jones or

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a Robert Sarver thing. I know
the relationship between Eton and Monty Williams and

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CP three is supposed to be too
far gone. You cannot let a fringe

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star at the entering his age twenty
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that's why I don't expect it to
be a possibility. I want to make

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that clear. But since it's technically
a possible outcome of all this would be

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an absolute unmitigated disaster on the Sun's
behalf and they would need to be vilified

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should that happen again, I don't
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to the Suns, though just the
situation will be monitoring, and I imagine

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there's there's some fireworks left as it
pertains to this. Let's move on to

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the mailbag, though this first question
comes from I skipped it. He was

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the first one to ask a question, so I feel bad in discord and

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I ended up glossing over it in
the last mail bag. But you're the

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first question of the part two of
it. So how's that comes from?

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Herb Jones Enjoyer. I don't know
when you're doing a next mail bag,

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Dan, but what the fuck are
the MAVs doing running out the worst version

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of Kat Gobert with Wood McGee?
Yeah, I look, I'm not I

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can't argue with that McGee. Javal
signed in Dallas. I don't understand the

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deal was cheaper. And also shout
out to MAVs CBA for MAVs Moneyball,

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who pointed this out at the time
that he believed that the deal was misreported

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because the mass were probably going to
use part of their MINIMLI to sign Jayden

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Hardy, and that's exactly what they
did. So the Javal McGee deals more

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like three years, seventeen point two
million. I still don't understand why they

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had to pay that much for Javal
McGee. I don't know why he was

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among their quickest targets when you already
had Christian Wood, Dwight Powell, Maxi

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Kleiba on this roster. And I
don't know why you to give a player

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option like that couldn't have been a
de option on the third year so,

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and maybe it's one of those situations
where the deal was already made and then

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they went and traded for Christian Wood. They didn't think they were gonna have

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them. I'm not saying teams wouldn't
negotiate with players before the start of free

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agency. I'm never ever saying that. Just still curious. Yeah, I

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don't like the MAVs front cord if
they are planning on playing Wood and McGee

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gather a ton would can be technically
a foreign offense, but you lose a

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lot of the appeal of his offensive
game, even his floor game, if

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you're stashing him at the four rather
than the five. I know there's a

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defensive trade off of that, but
it would make more sense to pair him

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with Maxi Kleiba in my book,
than JaVale McGee. And you're not I'm

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assuming you're not bringing Christian Wood off
the Bens. That's probably a recipe to

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aggravate him. But JaVale McGee did
say that he expects to be the starting

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center in Dallas, which is just
weird. I will say there's plenty off

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season left we could still see moves
from the MAVs at this point. Luca

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also gave an interview with a Spanish
outlet, I believe, and he had

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said that he this was I had
read the translated version, so I hope

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I'm not. I hope that I'm
not misinterpreting anything that was that was said,

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or reading something that was a misinterpretation
of what Luca said, but that

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he had essentially told the reporter.
I hope that the MAVs aren't done with

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their signings, and I'm assuming he's
alluding to the fact that, oh shit,

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we let Jalen Brunson go for nothing. At this point, no one

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expects that to be assigned and trade, by the way, so you are

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now on this position where you lost
your second best player without replacing him.

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I know they have spent erginuity,
but Jalen Brunson was dallas The second best

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player last year and he just he
just left like that's a biggie. So

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I don't I think that there needs
to be another move from Dallas here in

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general, and maybe that opens up
the front court rotation a little bit.

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Davis Burton's not a net asset,
but his salary could be an interesting matching

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tool. He's owed sixteen million next
year seventeen million in twenty three twenty four,

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and then he has an ETO for
sixteen million on that third year he

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will pick it up, so he
Davias Burton's is essentially on the books for

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three years and like fifty million bucks
at this point, maybe teams would take

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that on again if they liked the
idea of shooting. Like I said,

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Dwight Powell is an expiring contract.
You could also look at moving Christian Wood

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again if you really wanted to.
Don't you can't move mexically, but that's

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just that's not allowed. He's too
valuable to what they do. I propose

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a trade for Dallas where they are
sending out Tim Hardaway junior Josh Green,

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who I think he flashed him defensive. He's not clearly not worth the draft

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equity they spending on him. But
Josh Green has some really nice defensive moments

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for Dallas, almost all predicated on
his physical tools this past year. But

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that's something Josh Green, Tim Hardaway
junior, Dwight Powell, and in twenty

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twenty five first with top one protection, send that to Utah for Malik Beasley,

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who cannot be aggregated until September six. For all the the CBA nerds

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out there like myself and then Mike
Conley. I think people are two down

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on Mike Conley. And I also
think that maybe the initial reaction here from

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jazz fans, especially I know we
have a ton that listen and watch this

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podcast might think Utah's not getting enough, and with Trader Danny at the Helm,

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I'm I'm here to tell you you're
probably not wrong that that's how they

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how they feel. I do think
the structure is ultimately fair because Mike Conley,

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people are semi too low on him
based on how the postseason ended.

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He's also thirty four years old.
He will turn thirty five, I believe

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before next season, and so you're
paying him twenty plus million in the upcoming

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year. Then he's guaranteed fourteen point
three million out of the twenty two point

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seven million in twenty three twenty four. I don't think his contract is necessarily

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a net plus. And so to
take on the three seasons left of Tim

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Hardaway's the all fifty three point seven
or two years, and let's call it,

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because I would assume that they're going
to guarantee that two years and forty

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three million of Mike Conley there's not
like forty five million excuse me of Mike

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con League. There's not like this
huge There's not a huge difference there to

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me. And I think Conley does
more for the MAVs, who could use

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another offensive steward with Dalon Brunson gone. And he plays well off the ball,

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shoots well from three, has a
little bit of an off the dribble

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and in between game, and I
think he's probably a better passer than Jillen

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Brunson at this stage. Joan Bruns
is definitely more electric when he gets into

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the lane looking at his footwork,
and he's younger. Why wouldn't you think

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that. I don't think you're losing
anything defensively. You might even be gaining

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something defensively there. That might overstate
how much understate how much Jalen Bruns and

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improved though, and also understate how
old Mike Conley actually is. And then

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Malik Beasley, it's sort of just
like a different version of Tim Hardaway junior.

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He has more pop. If you're
the Mavericks, though, you're giving

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off this first round pick because you
want to see him, You want to

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have the option of getting rid of
him. He has a team option and

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in the summer of twenty twenty three, keep your books more flexible than possible.

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Is that worth giving up a twenty
twenty five first round pick four.

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I would probably do this if I
was dallashed the Josh Green and the Josh

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Green and the twenty twenty five pick
essentially to get Conley and Beasley. Here,

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the time for Donchage to win is
now, and I don't know that

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any of your biggest splashes are coming, or that your splash the trademark will

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be much bigger than this based off
how limited you are emmy assets that you

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can give up. And for Utah, I think they need wings and Josh

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Green qualifies just given their criteria.
You open up the back cort rotation even

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a little bit more by getting rid
of Conley, Tim Hardaway Junior. Beasley

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might be a little bit of a
wash. Tim Hardaway Junior might be a

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little bit more Winish on all offense. I think you could argue Beasley's a

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little bit more wingish on defense looking
at his physical tools. But you're getting

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first round equity and a flyer on
Josh Green. They to me, they

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would be the party that's more likely
to say no but maybe you can include

401
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,519
seconds to make that work. Moral
of the story being, I don't necessarily

402
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,200
know what Dallas is doing. I
do not if they're planning on, you

403
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,359
know, going dual big here,
I don't love it. At the same

404
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,079
time, like Christian Wood on offense
does allow you to play him with Javal

405
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,880
McGee or even Dwight Powell there also, Powell would be in sort of this

406
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:36,640
underrated acquisition for Utah because they still
kind of need a starting center, whether

407
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,519
you want Jared Vanderbilt playing the five
and his expiring contract just to sort of

408
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,079
a stop gap there. But yeah, the mask, I'd not love their

409
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,480
front courtrotation or their off season.
I think I think they've had a rough

410
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:48,279
go of it, and I would
say when you're looking at some of the

411
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,920
dual big setups that we could see
next year, there's might be sort of

412
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,279
the least impressive of the bunch.
You're certainly having this higher ceiling on Tat

413
00:25:56,319 --> 00:26:00,599
and Colbert. You could also argue
like the cost of entry for a Wood

414
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:07,559
McGee pairing, if that's what they're
looking at. I won't discount Dwight Powell

415
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:11,079
being in the equation of maybe jumping
McGee you're not playing Powell McGee together.

416
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,319
That would just be absolutely atrocious.
I just like the idea of having being

417
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:18,359
able to play Doran Finnie Smith at
the four and having minutes for Kleibo still

418
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,200
available at the five, or playing
Clebo with Wood more than having McGee play

419
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,799
with Wood and you could still run
out all those line up variations. Just

420
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:29,559
because it's the starting lineup doesn't mean
they're beholden to it forever. Still just

421
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,279
not impressed by it though, And
maybe they'll just try some funky things in

422
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,119
the front court there. I just
I also don't think maybe I can't really

423
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,319
give a passion take on this is
I don't think that they're done this off

424
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,960
season. It's sort of or matter. Maybe I'm just wishfully hoping that they're

425
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,160
not done. Drew and Drew asked
which fans deserve a title the most and

426
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,000
why is it those poor Knicks fans. We had people trying to get the

427
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:56,559
discord saying it's actually Kings fans.
Kings fans deserve at least a playoff berth

428
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,519
with their drought. They are a
loyal, intelligible fan base, and that

429
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,039
franchise continues to not do right by
them, even if the Kegan Murray pick

430
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,640
looks a lot better. And like
I said on that podcast, I can't

431
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,720
you doubt the pick because it's the
Kings that made it, which is fair.

432
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,839
But Keegan Murray is a really good
player, and based off what I've

433
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,319
seen from him in Summer League,
there might be some more on ball juice

434
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,079
there to explore than I thought,
and how he holds up on defense will

435
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,440
be sort of a barometer for how
valuable he becomes. But he could wind

436
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,599
up being just one of the maybe
not the most elite players in the MBA,

437
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,000
but just someone that is consistently incredibly
valuable at the highest level two really

438
00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:38,200
good teams throughout his career, and
so that doesn't Jen Jay and Ivy could

439
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,160
become a megastar, better than the
Iron Fox, better than Samonas, and

440
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,160
then I'll make the Kings look bad. I don't think that pick was necessarily

441
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,799
the wrong one. The Kings made
it, and so there they are subject

442
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,519
to doubt, and I do think
that is warranted. But the Kings are

443
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,200
definitely in there. The Knicks are
in there. There are so many fan

444
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,799
bases that deserve it. I think
it would be cool just and I'm saying

445
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:03,039
these two teams specifically, I'll throw
even I'll throw OKAYC Memphis and New Orleans

446
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,720
into here because it constantly feels like
right now, and it's because of the

447
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,680
ten pole stars they have in place
that people are sort of slobbering over there,

448
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,079
their stars, and when they're gonna
leave there, we don't like we

449
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,319
know Zion just signed his extension.
Jah just sligned his extension without a player

450
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,599
option. By the way, that's
huge, But like Shay GiB stumps in

451
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,880
or signed his extension, it was
still like a waiting game of oh,

452
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,480
when's okay S going to trade him? It feels like and maybe because the

453
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,559
way that the past OKAYC Corps was
dismantled, these three teams have become like

454
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,359
been viewed as this minor league for
the bigger, more glamorous markets and they're

455
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,359
not just this talent farm for the
For these better teams, I would like

456
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,559
to see them get even the same
benefit of the doubt or time or consideration

457
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,960
that Atlanta gets when looking at No, we're not waiting for Trey Young to

458
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,440
leave, and we even see it
with the Pacers. It's not like,

459
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:56,160
oh, when someone gonna come and
poach Tyrese Haliburton or when was someone gonna

460
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,880
come and poach Doma Simonis. So
I feel like those fan bases, and

461
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,400
you could have thrown Milwaukee into here
with the Honest, but he already won

462
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,279
his title. They're they're subject to
some of the most like other teams,

463
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,359
like the Vulture, circling from other
teams. They feel like they're that they're

464
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,160
at that level. I think even
more so than a Minnesota. I think

465
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,960
you can throw Orlando into here,
but they also haven't had a player until

466
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:26,440
maybe now with Pablo ben Caro,
who sort of falls into this camp.

467
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,920
I think any fan base, though, like in an unheralded market, it

468
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,119
would be cool to see them win
a title. Yeah, you could rank

469
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,319
it. Do I think Orlando fans
might deserve it more than the Pistons fans

470
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,000
who'd at least seen one in more
recent memory this millennia specifically. Sure,

471
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,200
absolutely, but like I don't like
getting into it. I would. I

472
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:51,279
will say though that with Okacy,
the New Orleans Pelicans and then the Memphis

473
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:55,079
Grizzlies, maybe because some of those
players like Shay and Zion and jar are

474
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,119
such high profile, it does feel
like they are getting the brunt of this

475
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:03,920
consideration when it comes to outlets,
national meeting members, which just other teams

476
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,519
fan bases. I know, Lakers
fans, they'll just photoshop and look,

477
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,519
kudos to them for the brazenness.
I honestly don't care. But they'll just

478
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,200
photoshop anyone that they like into a
Lakers jersey. And we saw it.

479
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,799
Look, we saw it with the
Raptors fans. We're kind of just circling

480
00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:22,240
Shay Gilder's Alexander before he signed his
extension because he is from Canada. So

481
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,200
I feel for those fan bases a
lot, and it would be cool even

482
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,920
like it feels like even in Houston, who's very early into the rebuild,

483
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,519
like they're being given more consideration.
It's not like, oh, and I

484
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,559
know Drew Barr Smith didn't have a
great summer league so far, but it's

485
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:37,039
not like, oh, we're trying
to let's photoshop jaw and Green into a

486
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,359
Knicks jersey or something. And so
I feel for the fan bases that get

487
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,759
more of that, like even Charlotte. I guess Charlotte probably belongs here because

488
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,799
everyone there's like this sentiment that LaMelo
bub will eventually leave I also have an

489
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:55,000
issue, and this would exclude like, I'm not gonna feel bad, not

490
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,680
that I don't feel bad for Kings
fans, but I just my empathy for

491
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:02,279
the Hornets when they've been such an
all ran run organization, like the way

492
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:06,720
they just think is uninspiring there,
and ditto with the Kings. It feels

493
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:08,599
like there'd be a path to actually
keeping LaMelo ball in Charlotte if you were

494
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,200
able to competently go about building,
building your roster, even hiring a coach.

495
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,519
We'll see how that pans out there. But I don't like it when

496
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,640
and this is someone who loves transactions
I love so much about the NBA,

497
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,680
I'm speaking of slobbery. I guess
that's what I'm doing at this point.

498
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,319
That being said, I really do
I understand how the sausage is made and

499
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:32,240
also how the transaction game works,
but I hate the idea of like as

500
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,240
soon as these guys now were so
young and they haven't even started their rookie

501
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,640
extensions that it's already, oh,
will they leave? They haven't even signed

502
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,599
their second contract, and now Moran
and Zion and Jay all have. But

503
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,039
those three teams like they get it
more than most. I don't want to

504
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:47,200
see Charlotte be subjected to it at
all. I think Phoenix and Minnesota were

505
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:51,240
kind of in that boat, but
then like things got good for Karl Anthony

506
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,440
Town's clearly wanted to be there.
Devin Booker, why would he ever leave

507
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,440
Phoenix after what happened. I also
think Phoenix was never in the same boat

508
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,480
as anyone. If they ever look
like they were going to have a competent

509
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,200
infrastructure, players would want to go
there in the Phoenix market, and we

510
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,200
saw that, and then having Devin
Booker has held infinitely with Chris Paul and

511
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:13,640
now in the Kevin Durant sweepstakes.
So those are the other three teams for

512
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,119
sure. You could throw Orlando in
there as well, but it's I want

513
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,759
every I love every single person's team
until I do my annual tradition where I

514
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:27,839
write about why your team won't re
win the championship this year, and then

515
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,759
I hate your team, just as
a fair warning to everybody. I probably

516
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,279
went longer on that question than than
needed to be. But the most Cole

517
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,119
asked who would you have as a
more probable breakout candidate for next season?

518
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Patrick Williams or DeAndre Hunter. Who
is your most unlikely breakout candidate of the

519
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,920
year. So let's start with Patrick
Williams versus DeAndre Hunter. Here, I

520
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,039
feel like I haven't seen enough of
Patrick Williams to understand what he might be

521
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,680
on offense, and there could be
more higher end outcomes for DeAndre Hunter on

522
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,319
offense. Before he was in twenty
twenty twenty one, he showed like an

523
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:07,440
in between game some off the dribble
work. But then this year he's healthier

524
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,480
for longer and kind of I don't
want to say Recedes, but as doesn't

525
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,319
make a ton of progress. And
then I go look at Patrick Williams.

526
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,319
He is younger, he probably has
more positional scalability on defense, and he

527
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,640
shot the three balls so well,
granted on minimal volume, and you've seemed

528
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,839
like a little bit it feels like
it's happening in slow motion or at a

529
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,960
processing speed that needs to be kicked
up a notch. When he like attacks

530
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,799
sort of open space, I would
love to see more of that. Are

531
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
either of these guys someone you could
hand the ball too? And the half

532
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,440
court things are slowed down saying go
get a bucket? I don't know.

533
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:45,759
I would say I would lean no
for both of them, but Patrick Leews

534
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:49,599
feels more like the mystery box here, which gives him a higher end outcome.

535
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,640
I do think I like him better
on defense officially, officially and given

536
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,799
the rate at which he's hit his
threes, if he can stay healthy and

537
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,440
looking at how much the not that
the the Hawks don't need DeAndre Hunter,

538
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,759
but just looking at how it feels
like there's more room for Williams to grow

539
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,159
within the setup of the Bulls,
Like, are they gonna try playing him

540
00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:09,920
as a small ball five? Are
they going to use them specifically at the

541
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,400
three and three and the four?
Now you have Dejean Day Murray and Atlanta

542
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,679
to go with Trey Young. There
actually might be more touches available for Patrick

543
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,760
Williams in Chicago because they have Zach
Lavine and Demarda Rosen, But Lonzo Ball,

544
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,159
Alex Caruso even Voots. Those guys
are more more ball movers. What's

545
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,519
gonna happen in Atlanta with John Collins? That might say a lot about DeAndre

546
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,840
Hunter's role. So I think I
like I think I really like Patrick Williams

547
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,280
more than DeAndre Hunter. But those
are two just to sort of really watch

548
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,519
and who's my most unlikely breakout candidate. I don't know whether to approach this

549
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,000
is like, who do I not
think is going to break out? But

550
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,239
could I don't even know if I
could answer that question because or that answered

551
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,199
in that way, because it wouldn't
really make sense, or just someone who

552
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:00,679
people aren't talking about as a breakout
candidate. I don't mean to go full

553
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,840
Homer here, but Quentin Grimes in
New York where they just really need to

554
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,280
load up on wings that can play
both ends of the ball, especially if

555
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,000
you're gonna have Jalen Brunson running your
offense, and if you ever deigned to

556
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:17,119
play Jalen Brunson with Derek Rozer Emmanuel
quickly I look at Grimes and even hinting

557
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:21,639
at some of it in Summer League. There's more like off the dribble creation

558
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,519
there than I thought. And I
always viewed him as a little too small

559
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:27,639
to be considered a true wing the
defense. He kind of showed both on

560
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,519
and off the ball as a rookie
some of the players we've even seen in

561
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Summer League, plus the relative reliability
of his three point shot, it would

562
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,719
not surprise me if we look back
on this is him having like the type

563
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,559
of season where he vaults into like, oh, this could be like the

564
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:47,599
premiere three and D weapon spectrum.
Maybe there's a little bit more to explore

565
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,239
there as well. I don't think
the touches are going to be there for

566
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,559
him on offense with the Knicks to
really discover or become like this offensive revelation.

567
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,119
But he used someone to watch.
I also don't know if this will

568
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,039
qualify, but he came on so
late in the last year and he's doing

569
00:36:02,119 --> 00:36:05,800
some things in the summer league now
keeping on on Trey Murphy the third in

570
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,400
New Orleans. That is a that
is a bad m effort. He is

571
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,880
someone who's going to be ridiculously good. His defensive range is just incredible,

572
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:21,360
such a disruptor without it feeling like
he's ever taking any chances. And he's

573
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:27,559
not sort of this ubiquitous eclipse or
blanket that Herb Jones is, but he

574
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,760
like he can lock down and the
malleability he gives you when you look at

575
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,599
the like the scale of his assignments, whether it's do you really need to

576
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,119
go on this this primary ball handler
or you need to go on a bigger

577
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,039
wing, Do we need you on
like sort of a third option so that

578
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:45,960
you can take I just said,
I don't. I feel like he doesn't

579
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,039
necessarily take kriks, but he's take
risks. I'm trying to talk slower because

580
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,599
we have reviews that I talk too
fast, and also making fun of my

581
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,079
I guess I'm too emo has been
something that's been said in the comments as

582
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,599
well. Honestly, don't care,
but I am trying to talk slower and

583
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:05,360
now I'm tripping over my words.
They try and do that as someone that

584
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,480
you might need to be like.
I don't want to call it a free

585
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,599
safety, but he can do that
stuff, and there's just such a comprehension

586
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:15,320
to the way he defends I guess
where maybe you're not always noticing it,

587
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,800
but he could be that guy if
he's gonna play consistently in New Orleans this

588
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
year, and I would expect his
minutes to get ratcheted up, knowing how

589
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:27,840
important that defense is going to be
when you're playing Zion Williamson too, So

590
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,039
having him and Herb Jones on the
court at the same time, that's someone

591
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,800
I think we look at where maybe
the trajectory of his career changes, because

592
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,400
just like I said, maybe people
weren't watching it ton of New Orleans lat

593
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,800
year, but he also came on
so late. And then I'll throw one

594
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,760
more out here again. I don't
know how unlikely this is. I would

595
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,960
just keep my eye on Josh Primo. I'm upset that it seems like his

596
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,320
summer league has done because he's in
health and safety protocols. I talked about

597
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400
this in the last podcast, but
when we did that, we did specifically

598
00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:02,159
on the Spurs. There's like a
real pictable shiftiness to his game and an

599
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,079
acceleration when he's in the half court
or in the open floor. And I

600
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:09,719
think this is someone who can eventually
be the primary table set and decision maker

601
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,440
for an offense. The jury for
me is still out on his scoring.

602
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,639
Like we've seen him hit some nice
off the dribble looks and he'll eventually be

603
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:20,079
able just to if he's away from
the ball or dribble into sort of slower

604
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,920
dribble threes. Can he be someone
who's doing that at a at a heightened

605
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,880
a pace where I think with the
Spurs need more than anything right now,

606
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,079
is this higher end, really quick
off the dribble shop maker. I think

607
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:36,239
that Josh Primo was their best bet
at getting that on the roster right now,

608
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,360
it's him, or it could be
Malachi Brandham, depending on how how

609
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,280
much he actually plays. I don't
know enough about Jeremy someone just yet that

610
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,440
doesn't seem to be his type of
game. I would argue that it's Josh

611
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:52,239
Primo. There is a non zero
chance, if not fairly likely, scenario

612
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,559
in which Josh Primo right now is
the most important player on the Spurs,

613
00:38:55,639 --> 00:39:00,840
just because knowing what they need,
maybe not that tent whole building lock,

614
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:07,639
but the the person who also runs
their offense but can be the the sun

615
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,199
around which everything else revolves. There's
a chance that he can be that guy.

616
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,400
And I'm hoping that they really he
played some higher stakes moments towards the

617
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,559
end of last year. I'm hoping
they really just cut him loose this year

618
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,719
and we see him play a crap
ton. So those are my three.

619
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:29,400
I don't know if they're unlikely enough
for anyone, but that's from I think

620
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,719
anyone on the Knicks might catch people
off off guard, still knowing that they're

621
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,119
kind of skewing like towards went now. But I'm Patrick Williams over DeAndre Hunter,

622
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,679
right now, I would also like, can we keep around on Yako

623
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,760
Congo. I don't know how much
playing time he's gonna get, and Jail

624
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,719
and Johnson, those are just two
players I really like in Atlanta, and

625
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,840
they're playing time could vary depending on
how like the rest of the transaction games

626
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,119
stand out. But I have high
hopes for both of those dudes, so

627
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,639
I would loop them in there.
But Patrick Williams over DeAndre Hunter honorable mentions

628
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:01,199
when looking at breakout candidates to echo
U or Jalen Johnson and Atlanta, assuming

629
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,920
that the opportunity could be there for
them, and then Quentin Grimes in New

630
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,960
York, Trey Murphy the Third in
New Orleans, and Josh Primo in San

631
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,519
Antonio. I feel like, based
off what we've seen in Summerleague, I'm

632
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,920
gonna throw Isaiah Livers here too as
well. For Detroit that would definitely qualify

633
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,159
as unlikely. He looks absolutely fantastic. And then even for Golden State,

634
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,679
this is gonna fall under the likely
scenario of course, but keep an eye

635
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,679
on all their youngsters, like to
just keep like Moses Moody, the one

636
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,159
of the plays that I saw where
Jonathan cominga basically ran the Pick and Roll

637
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,519
with James Wiseman. That had to
be giving. Like Golden State Warriors fans,

638
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,559
they had a climax watching that because
like you're just watching what could be

639
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,440
the future unfold before your very eyes, and yet you just won a title.

640
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,719
So keep an eye on the Warriors
kids, just if only to see

641
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,159
how much of a role some of
them play next year. And it's amazing

642
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:59,760
at Jordan Pool as part of that
sort of kid umbrella glad and asked people

643
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
are always going to wreck the tables
for passing on Steph Curry twice? Does

644
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,760
Curry really become Curry if he goes
to the Wolves? Which could really just

645
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,840
be a stem of how many slash
which players do you honestly think could overcome

646
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,920
the environment they were drafted to versus
the players that became as great as they

647
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,679
are because of where they were drafted
to. This is funny because I saw

648
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,800
someone from King's Twitter, a Professor
Oak on Twitter tweeting about how when Michael

649
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,559
Malone was there before they fired him, Ben Mcamore looked on the verge of

650
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,880
a breakout season and then once Michael
Malone left, his career sort of derailed

651
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,039
from there. This is all to
say that got me thinking about the same

652
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,199
question which was asked before that.
This is all to say I think environment

653
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:44,159
matters a great deal. I think
I don't know how to phrase this to

654
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:45,519
not make Nicks fans mad. I
think if RJ. Barrett was on a

655
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:51,039
different team that it empowered him more
and prioritize his offensive development more, that

656
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:57,320
we might be talking about him in
the same terms as at least a tear

657
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,239
just below the John Morant Zion Williamson
hype. Those two have ascended so much.

658
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,000
I don't ever want to put him
in that camp. But that matters

659
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,559
a ton, and I don't think
the Knicks has done a bad job developing

660
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:12,840
RJ. Barrett. The opportunity immediately
matters, but there's also organizational track record.

661
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,800
What would Darren Fox have be in
Sacramento right now? Would there be

662
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,679
less of a rollercoashness to a season. He's a fringe All star, if

663
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,760
not actual All star at his peak, But you put him on a different

664
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,320
team, better infrastructure, more consistency
or stability around him, I think that

665
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,280
ship matters a bunch. So it's
the opportunity, but then also the type

666
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:37,519
of the quality of that opportunity.
So when you even have intriguing youngsters that

667
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,079
you could see and New York's a
good case study, like why won't they

668
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,760
play will be topping and Julie's around
them Moore. At the same time,

669
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,239
why does there see to seem to
be like this rope too often on a

670
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:51,960
manual quickly? So with Curry,
though, I do think teams a certain

671
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:58,880
players are so transcendent that you could
have put them anywhere and they were just

672
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,719
broken out. They've been healthy enough. So do I think that Curry would

673
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:07,320
be Curry in Minnesota? Yes,
But would he received the same level of

674
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:13,920
attention or consideration, because would Minnesota
be the continuous contender that Golden State has

675
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,840
become. And look, there's a
ship ton of luck that needs that went

676
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,679
into where Golden State is right now, you know, getting to Clay Thompson,

677
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,719
the whole tank thing for Harrison Barnes, the cap Trump with Kevin Durant.

678
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,760
But there was a time where people
thought Curry was sort of a bust.

679
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,280
He was almost traded instead of Montellis
in the Andrew Boga deal. So,

680
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,960
but he's also here because the wars
have been so good and there are

681
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,880
limitations even how far he can carry
a team, even if he is the

682
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,519
best player on one of the greatest
dynasties in in NBA history. So do

683
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,559
I think he would have the same
top ten of all time consensus if he

684
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,119
was in Minnesota? Probably not,
because there were a perfect storm of circumstances

685
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,960
and good luck here. Do I
think if Kawhi ended up with the Pacers

686
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:59,480
he still would have ended up becoming
a superstar? I do. I think

687
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:01,679
that there's a level of talent that's
just going to eventually win out. I'm

688
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,280
not a big system player guy,
and even with Curry, it's very clear

689
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,639
that he is the as the kids
say, he's the system player. I'm

690
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:15,039
sorry that was that was really awful, But so yes, I don't.

691
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,920
I think Curry would be Curry on
a much smaller scale though, And that's

692
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,440
what a lot of this is.
There's also like, what do you have

693
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:23,239
been traded by? Now? That's
when people Knicks fansay, imagine he went

694
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,519
to the Knicks. Do you know
what the Knicks wouldn't have traded him,

695
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:30,599
like to get Carmelo Anthony at one
point because his career had started off so

696
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,159
slowly and he was impressive when he
was healthy, but there were those huge

697
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:37,039
health concerns. Look at that first
contract he signed, which also empowered what

698
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,320
the Warriors became because he went he
was on the biggest deal of a contract

699
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,760
in NBA history. There's never been
a better deal than that, just looking

700
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:51,159
at the length of it. So
that's like, you know, that's something

701
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,760
that can't be replicated. At the
same time, Curry is so good.

702
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,239
There are just certain players where you
can't say, oh, just because they

703
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,440
were on to me, that they're
on a different team, they would have

704
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,079
turned out differently or worse. I
guess I just like, who are you

705
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:07,199
going to here's a good one?
Like would Duncan Robinson b is good on

706
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,480
another team as he was in Miami. That might be a really poor comparison

707
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,920
because he was out of Miami's rotation
by the end of that season. So

708
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
let's use Would Max, Druce or
Gay Vincent be as good on another team

709
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:20,559
as they were in Miami? That
I would say, No, that level

710
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,519
of player, I think is where
you're get into the discussion. Maybe a

711
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,800
little bit higher than that. Of
course, overall, the like a you

712
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,880
know, a Bruce Brown, is
he gonna be as good in Denver as

713
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,440
he was in Brooklyn. I think
he will be, but that's like sort

714
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,840
of the debate that you can have
and maybe Gary Payton the second going to

715
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,840
Portland with Steph Curry specifically, I
think he absolutely would have been a megastar,

716
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,440
probably on a smaller scale though,
because I can't forecast the type of

717
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:47,679
success for Minnesota on the margins around
Curry that Golden State had, and a

718
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,440
lot of that even if you don't
want a critical in the state, which

719
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,159
is pure dumb luck like finding Draymond
Yeah, okay, credit to their scouting.

720
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:55,320
Then he dropped the second round,
But how many teams ended up passing

721
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,239
on him? You needed them to
pass on him to wind up with Draymond

722
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,559
Green. You also needed David Lee
injury to sort of pave the way for

723
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:06,440
Draymond Green. So fantastic question,
by the way, glad you've asked.

724
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:09,760
Everyone always asks really good questions,
but your past to have been absolutely fantastic.

725
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,519
Darkwing Duck asked listening to the YouTube
exclusive and makes me think of this

726
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,519
question. Should the Steppian rule be
removed or at least reworked or reimagined.

727
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,880
He's talking about the rumor where the
Nets apparently asked for Anthony Edwards, Colmathy

728
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,880
Towns and four first in exchange for
Kevin Durant. I don't know where I

729
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,519
land on this, and we had
a mini discussion about it in discord.

730
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,840
I do think that the Steppian roule
winds up saving certain teams from themselves.

731
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,519
I just the idea of like certain
organizations being able to trade out like infinite

732
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,920
first round picks into the distance,
even if you're saying that they can't be

733
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,360
traded in back to back years.
If you're going to keep the seven year

734
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,360
window and allow for back to back
like you could just trade your pick,

735
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,639
you're regardless. I guess that's something
to consider and the reason you consider it,

736
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,360
And I'm assuming this might be what
incited Darkwing Ducks question here in the

737
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,679
first place. The transaction game has
changed where players aren't leaving in free agency

738
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,360
anymore. You are drafting them or
you're trading for them. And I think

739
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,199
that's why a team like Minnesota,
knowing that it needs a draft or trade,

740
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,360
went all in on Golbert because they
were already too good to be in

741
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,719
a spot in the draft where they
would have acquired the type of player that

742
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,960
they were looking for. So it's
I don't have the right answer. Maybe

743
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,159
you just extend out the window to
eight or nine years and still keep the

744
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,400
crux of the Steppian rule in place. Maybe it's you don't if it's another

745
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,960
team's first round pick, like you
can trade it regardless, or what's wrong

746
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,280
with your pick commitments, Like if
you've already sort of setting it up that

747
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,880
I don't even like that solution.
I wouldn't get rid of the Steppian rule

748
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,840
altogether. We'd have to keep the
I think we'd have to keep the finite

749
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,719
window there. Then like maybe even
shrink it and say, do you want

750
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,719
to have the option of going the
seven years out or it's now it's five,

751
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,119
but you can trade. You can
just keep trading first round picks back

752
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,880
to back to back, if you
want to do it that way. That

753
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,800
would probably be the extent to which
I would consider removing it, just because

754
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,159
there are going to be certain organizations
that move those picks in the wrong trades,

755
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,079
and I won't even shout any of
them out. Just there are going

756
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,880
to be teams that continuously try and
undo bad mistakes, or they're just going

757
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,239
to keep making bad mistake after bad
mistake because they're addicted to mediocrity, and

758
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,800
so I do think the steppings necessary. That being said, even that sentiment

759
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,519
rings a little hollow because of the
way that swaps work, Like those are

760
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:32,480
the way sort of around it.
You ensure that team doesn't like doesn't have

761
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:35,880
control over their first round pick,
but still has a first round pick.

762
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,679
And then even so, it's like
you can trade that pick, agree to

763
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,920
trade it basically on draft night,
so and you can move them later immediately

764
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,039
after as a salary. So I
don't know how much it's actually preventing,

765
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:49,000
but the fact that you know,
we can say that, then maybe it

766
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,159
is working. There's still so much
room to operate within it that they're not

767
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,079
these strictures, the only actual strictures. Feel like this is okay, this

768
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,280
is only seven years out, and
if you're gonna go even for they're out,

769
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,639
I'm definitely not going more than a
decade, because you can't afford to

770
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:06,159
have teams just fuck themselves over for
like all of eternity. And some teams

771
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:10,440
are fucked that way anyway, because
they're just going to continuously self sabotage inadvertently

772
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,719
or not. But I might consider
reworking it, and because of the way

773
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,440
the transaction game is right now,
I'd be open to the Okay, it's

774
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,360
a smaller window, but we don't
need to do this swap business like you

775
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,000
can trade away more of your your
picks. I also wondered if the transaction

776
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:30,320
game and general changes in the next
CBA, the next CBA negotiations with with

777
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,639
sort of the trade demands spearheading this
and the way that free agent the context

778
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,000
of what free agency has become,
and then with the tampering, this is

779
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,639
all going to be so so incredibly
fascinating, and then durant trade demand with

780
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:45,199
four years left on his deal only
adds to that intrigue. This next question

781
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,039
came live, so you're gonna have
to forgive me if it feels too off

782
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:57,159
the cuff. But Haitian Mamba asks
Jabari Smith versus Evan Mobley, who has

783
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,920
the higher defensive and offensive upside?
Who you are a lot higher on Jabari

784
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,199
Smith Junior Sir than I am.
I think Evin Mobley has the higher ceiling

785
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:13,079
on both ends. Definitely defense that
he is everywhere everywhere on defense and the

786
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,960
things he allows you to do.
He could defend point cards full time,

787
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,400
and I don't know if Jabari Smith
Junior can do that. Maybe you trust

788
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Jabar Smith Junior actually be your primary
five more than Evin Mobley. I still

789
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,159
can't get there. That's just a
function of Jared Allen's in Cleveland, so

790
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:29,760
we haven't had to see him play
that role in volume or adjust to it

791
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:35,039
offensively. The ball handling skills with
Jabari Smith Junior, the way that I

792
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,880
could envision him hitting these off the
dribble looks at a higher not just clip,

793
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:45,000
but sort of a higher velocity,
like the being able to rise and

794
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,480
fire so quickly or hitting them more
of a dime. I think you make

795
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:53,880
a case that just by virtue of
him having that ceiling he could he should

796
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,199
be better than Mobley. But the
passing for Mobly, I feel like it's

797
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,800
going to exceed that of Jabbar and
I've only seen what I've I've seen of

798
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,519
Jabari a little bit of college footage
after the college season ended, and then

799
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,519
also of the summer league. But
I think Evan Mobile has like top five

800
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,480
top ten player potential in the league
at this point, and I'm not ready

801
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,679
to say that for Jabari Smith,
I don't know who would be. But

802
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:22,599
if you're looking at you know,
maybe maybe I'm just off on what Jabari

803
00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:23,760
Smith's defensive value is going to be. I know there are a lot of

804
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,559
people that really prioritize or view highly
his his switchability. I just don't think

805
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,280
he's ever going to be the best
defender, let alone a generational defender like

806
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,920
Mobili is, and just even even
by default there, Mobili should should end

807
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:44,440
up being the better player. But
a good question. I'm always I'm always

808
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,760
for overreacting to summer league or for
projecting on offense, though I honestly don't

809
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,079
like I don't think it's as far
away, by far and away Jabari as

810
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,360
I think most people will answer that
question. I think it's not even to

811
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,840
say arguable. But you could say
Jabari and be very decisive about it,

812
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,119
and that's fine. But there's more
to see from Evan Mobile on offense,

813
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:06,920
and right now or this past season, the Calves don't necessarily charge him with

814
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,000
it. I wouldn't be surprised to
see more of running stuff through him in

815
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,760
the post or we already know that
he could sort of run fast breaks,

816
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,480
but is he gonna slow it down
run things from a face up position as

817
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:19,320
a table setter. I don't even
know Jabari Smith Jr. As a score

818
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,360
sure can do that. I don't
know if I trust him as a table

819
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,519
stir. There, so that there's
to me, it feels like there's a

820
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,519
better than slight chance that Evan Mobiley
ends up being the better player on both

821
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:36,400
ends of the floor than j Barie
Smith Junior, Lil Microwave Taketo fantastic name,

822
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,119
as is Grant Williams the best three
in D player of all time?

823
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,840
I mean the answer here is yes, obviously, but he was great in

824
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,920
that role. And you don't really
see sort of like pure fours or bigs

825
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,199
in general, or like five's play
that role at three and D role as

826
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,079
much anymore. Or it's normally a
two or three or a guy who's defending

827
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:59,199
four positions, and Grant Williams is
at most a two position player. I'm

828
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,840
very curiousy what he gets in an
extension with the Celtics or in restricted free

829
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,920
agency next year. But just to
reinforce this, here is b Ball Index

830
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:14,800
has a three point shot maker value
and a defensive role versatility metric. Here's

831
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,719
every non point guard in the league
last year to have a positive value as

832
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,840
a three point shot maker and then
match Williams's defensive role versatility score. Here's

833
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,400
every non point guard, Desmond Baine, Alec Burks, Josh Richardson, Nick

834
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,159
Batoum, Caleb Martin, PJ.
Tucker, and Bruce Brown. That's Look,

835
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:37,719
there's outliers there, mostly just Alec
Burks, even though I do think

836
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,760
he's very good shot maker. That's
pretty good company to be in. And

837
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,840
so Grant Williams is one of the
more underrated players in the league right now.

838
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,800
I don't know if he can be
a primary big on his own in

839
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,199
you know, under or against substantial
reps. But he is three and D

840
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,199
and that's that's an anomaly at at
the position or the type of role that

841
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,920
he plays. And so we know
that his shotmaking came around. I don't

842
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,400
know that people appreciate just how it's
the same thing with Cavan Mooney, Like

843
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:09,920
they are so pliable on the defensive
and they can just switch across all over

844
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,159
the place, and that's what both
of their teams did with them. Pallito

845
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,119
has two questions in twenty twenty two. Is it's smarter to keep a young

846
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,920
core or pull in la and collect
than trade for a star. He adds

847
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,599
the Pelicans Thunder and Orlando Magic.
Look, if you're in a market,

848
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:35,199
this is the way I'll phrase it. I lean towards it's better to draft

849
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,840
and start over. And I think
we saw that even with the Spurs acknowledging

850
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,400
there in the middle and then you
trade away Jean Day Murray rather than going

851
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,440
after the double down trade. A
lot of that now is the market's going

852
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,280
to dictate who's available. You can't
just will a Karl Anthony Towns or Kevin

853
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,559
Durant onto the shopping box. But
you need even the even trades are risky

854
00:54:55,679 --> 00:55:00,360
because you need to be mentioned players, the players you want a lot of

855
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,960
the times we're going to have a
say and where they're going. Kevin Ramping

856
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:07,760
example one. He's so far named
two teams, just two teams. And

857
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,079
so if you're not going to be
on these shortlists, that narrows your margin

858
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:15,559
for error in these trades. Yeah, if you're in New Orleans, you

859
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:19,519
can go after the level of player
like a CJ. McCollum mid career,

860
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,800
because he's not just going to have
his pick of the litter. If you're

861
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,440
talking about top twenty, let's say
an above even top twenty five now at

862
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,760
above guys in the NBA if you
don't already have them or get them before

863
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,800
their rookie scale contract is over.
So Brandon would be a great example.

864
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:36,320
They didn't draft him, La actually
did, but you got him before his

865
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:42,119
second contract. It's really important to
build your team through that route. To

866
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,320
me, if you're an Orlando,
if you're in an Orlando in Oklahoma City

867
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,199
or the Pelicans. Now, I'm
not against the non glamor markets going after

868
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,960
the bigger fish, and I think
you can put Toronto is weird because there's

869
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,119
such a like impassioned, huge basketball
fan base there, but they're not traditionally

870
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:01,159
mentioned among the flashiest free agency destinations. We saw Kawhi leave. I appreciate

871
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,880
the aggression you show on the trade
market there. You can absolutely make that

872
00:56:06,039 --> 00:56:07,760
move and they want a title,
so it's fine. The cost of business

873
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,440
there was just so low. You
didn't have to give up either of your

874
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,519
top two or three prospects at the
time. You didn't have to go up

875
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:19,760
og or siakam So and I don't
Van Fleet wasn't really a prospect at that

876
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,760
point, so you didn't have to
give up two of your three top prospects.

877
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,320
If you had Peartle as your third
prospect there and then the rose in

878
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,440
contract. He was a really good
player, but it wasn't considered like this.

879
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:31,519
It was probably net neutral value at
most. And if you lost Kauai

880
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,880
and the whole thing didn't pan out, you didn't win a title. You

881
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,079
got to start over. So the
margin for error there it was just different.

882
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:42,199
When you were looking at the context. It was just almost a no

883
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,840
lose situation for Toronto, knowing how
stale that core had grown, even if

884
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,559
it was a tough decision to make. When you're now making that move,

885
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,280
whether you're in Orlando or the thunder
of the Pelicans, I think was really

886
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,679
the Kings you could throw there too. I think with interestring here, people

887
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:58,880
wanted Memphis, including myself, advocated
for them to go after these win now

888
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,679
trades. Well, why should they
get in on the Kevin Grant sweepstakes.

889
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,559
You have to worry about them either. They're asking for out in a way

890
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,360
that other teams don't. If you're
not on those shortlists to begin with,

891
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,480
that really increases the value of not
just the draft, but if you're going

892
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:15,360
to make the swing now trades it's
or the since it's not necessarily an a

893
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,760
media trade. If you're gonna make
a swing on the trade market, it's

894
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,159
to get guys while they're still on
their rookie scale deals. That way,

895
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:27,039
you have maximum team control and then
maximum time to sell them on your future.

896
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,039
And the karlthy Towns and Devin Booker
are perfect examples. And I don't

897
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,119
even want to throw the Suns in
there, just because Phoenix is such a

898
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:36,159
desirable market for players when they're being
ran properly. So the Timberwolves, the

899
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:38,800
fact that he wants to be there
that had to embolden them to go out

900
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,639
and make that Rudy Gobert trade in
the first place. But you also probably

901
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:45,760
don't make that trade if you don't
already have Ampy Edwards, who you've got

902
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,440
through the draft. You got karl
Anthy Towns through the draft. And Rudy

903
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,840
Gobert's probably the closest to a level
of player where it's oh, he might

904
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,760
have a say and where he wants
to go, or he's top twenty five

905
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,800
anyway, and we're still you know, maybe we weren't on his initial list,

906
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,519
but he also played a position where, like you weren't going to have

907
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:01,840
a list. People have viewed the
four years, one hundred and seventy million

908
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,679
dollars contract as an albatross. They
don't view the money, for example,

909
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:07,480
like Kevin Durant, even knowing that
he might only be Kevin Durant for two

910
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:12,800
more years or whatever. They don't
view that as just a potential some cost

911
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,000
or something that could blow up in
your face. And so the players that

912
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:22,280
you're most going to covet when they're
in there later years, if you're not

913
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,199
going to be on their short list, you need to be damn sure like

914
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,719
Toronto was that this elevates you to
contender status, if not contend or favorite

915
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,119
status. So I do think it's
smarter to build through the draft or just

916
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,159
through acquiring players. If maybe you're
at a point where you're in the middle.

917
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,119
Let's say, what the Spurs just
it they didn't acquire this type of

918
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,400
player, but you traded Jean Day
Murray and you got and Yeka Kongu.

919
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,719
If that's who they prioritize, so
prioritize the picks or the players still on

920
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,440
their their rookie scale. Pelleto also
asks Jonathan Isaac's trade value look at all.

921
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:58,039
Honestly, I have no fucking idea
he is. His contract now is

922
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:01,519
more team friendly because it's not guaranteed. It's only more team friendly because he's

923
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:07,000
missed so many games. He's guaranteed
seventeen point four million this coming year,

924
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,719
seventeen point six million in twenty three
twenty four, and then fully non guaranteed

925
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:16,039
in twenty four twenty five, So
you're essentially looking at he's guaranteed two years

926
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:21,719
and twenty five million dollars. That's
not like you want to take a swing

927
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,679
if it blows up in your face. You could absolutely do that. You

928
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,480
also have to judge that against okay
towards left ACL suffer the right hamstring injury.

929
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,920
They expect him to be ready for
next year, I believe still,

930
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:37,159
but they still haven't given a timeline
for his return since that hamstring setback.

931
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,559
I don't know what you would give
up for him. He's a defensive system

932
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:44,159
unto himself. When you watch him, he is really just like a blanket

933
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,400
of coverages rolled into one, and
there's value in that. I don't know

934
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,960
what he is on offense. There
we never we haven't watched him in over

935
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:53,880
two years, for one, but
there were never enough ball skills there.

936
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:58,840
His jumper never fell at a consistent
enough clip off the catch, I mean

937
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:02,639
for long enough for me to believe
that there was the element, like the

938
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:07,400
standstill element there. I think,
assuming his explosiveness isn't the least compromised from

939
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,360
these hamstring and ACL injuries, you
could definitely use him in sort of a

940
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:15,639
conventional big man's role, have him
screen and then dive, because he could

941
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:20,000
certainly finish that way. And if
you're playing him with a floor spacing five

942
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,559
or even at the five, and
he can be position lists on defense playment

943
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,360
to three for all I care.
If there's all these shooters around you that

944
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,719
can hold up, that would be
a route that you could go. I

945
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,159
don't know which teams are equipped to
make that risk. I think you're looking

946
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:37,119
at probably if I'm Orlando, just
knowing if Palo ban Caro, Wendel Carter

947
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,719
Junior there, you did resign Mo
Bamba. I don't think Orlando needs to

948
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:46,519
go into Seller's moment. If I
was offered two like medium first round picks

949
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:50,880
for him, I'd probably do it. If they're too life, it's a

950
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,159
contender, or just really like if
it was a Phoenix level first round pick,

951
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:57,280
and that's it. No, I'm
not doing it. If Phoenix came

952
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,239
along, no one was offering salary
filler and two first round picks, and

953
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,039
they're the second ones. I'm protected
too. And now you're putting yourself in

954
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:07,159
a position where, let's say it
was just twenty three and then twenty five,

955
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:09,199
so you're looking at the number twenty
seven pick twenty twenty three, but

956
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,400
two thousand and twenty five. That's
far enough away too. It's like,

957
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,000
all right, if they don't have
eight and on that roster, even if

958
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,320
they trade for Kevin Durant, him
and CB three are gonna have aged out

959
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,039
of their primes by that point.
I'm there where I would consider it.

960
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,400
Maybe you've stuck it out this long
and you have the non guarantees kicking in

961
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,679
that you don't want to sell that
low. I just that's probably what his

962
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,119
value would be to me. And
Orlando is also an interesting point because I'm

963
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:37,360
even talking about them. I'm so
I'm in love with some of the players

964
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,679
on their team. I love Jail
and Sous I think more than the average

965
01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:43,880
person. At this point. Franz
Wachner was great. I'm still like I'm

966
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,119
still an Arja Hampton believer a little
bit. Mark l Foltz has been fine

967
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:50,840
for them. I'm probably like the
most high. I don't know how you

968
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,760
couldn't be on Pala ben Caro after
watching him in Summer League. They have

969
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:00,360
a nice understated base there and even
if look if you will, he just

970
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:07,000
like develops any semblance of a consistent
offensive presence. If they were let's say

971
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,719
someone in discord mentioned this, would
they be a Donovan Mitchell destination in theory,

972
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,519
Yeah, three years left on Mitchell
deal, you make that dice roll.

973
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:17,039
I could picture them being a force
immediately, but you know so little

974
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,360
about a lot of your team now. Just can Wendell Carter juw your follow

975
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,880
up what he did last year?
I think he will, just because I

976
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,440
think the Bulls were misusing him a
ton for Yacht to Orlando. We know

977
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:30,840
Jolen Sungs will be better, but
he's also only in year two. Franz

978
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,599
Wagner is only entering year two.
But like you could talk yourself into doing

979
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:37,880
that. Does Donovan Mitchell want to
stay beyond his current contract? Because those

980
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,039
three years aren't enough. You needed
larger window than that, or at least

981
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,199
the promise that there will be one, or that he won't turn around and

982
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,440
request a trade a year or two
down the line where he's closer to free

983
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,800
agency. That's what I meant in
the previous question, of which was also

984
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,119
asked by Paulito. The teams in
those markets have to think more thoroughly about

985
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:00,360
that, which is why you wouldn't
necessarily move Jonathan Isaac right now, because

986
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,519
if that higher end defensive outcome is
there, you trust that he'll have a

987
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:07,039
set jumper and then he'll remain healthy. You want his current contract in full

988
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,679
at seventeen point four million per season
over the next three seasons to guarantee it.

989
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,480
That gives you a leg up on
the competition. It's tough, and

990
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,320
I wouldn't trade him at his lowest
value. But if you had a team

991
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,199
giving you, let's say it's an
immediate first round pick, you know it's

992
01:03:20,199 --> 01:03:22,440
not going to be great, but
there's a first round pick in twenty and

993
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,599
twenty five, maybe even later that
is going to be loosely if not unprotected,

994
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,320
I would I would consider it,
and that's just where his trade value

995
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,559
is for me. His next question
comes from Thomas Ardiguez. What are the

996
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:37,079
chances Damian little leaves Portland and how
can the Miami Heat acquire him. Damian

997
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:38,880
Lowis is not going to be leaven
in Portland for at least a year now

998
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:45,039
because he signed his extension, which
is I mean good for him. He

999
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:50,400
is now signed on Portland in theory
through twenty twenty six, two twenty seven.

1000
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,440
I don't know if the final year
on that is a player option,

1001
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,960
but we're not gonna be dealing with
his future until at least next summer.

1002
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,199
If he does ask for out,
and I don't know that he will.

1003
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:01,320
I mean, he signed this extension. It's also a boatload of money.

1004
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,519
He's like two years, one hundred
and twenty million. Why wouldn't you sign

1005
01:04:03,519 --> 01:04:06,480
that extension? Is my is my
point, because you could always ask for

1006
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:11,800
out later. With that in mind, Do I think he finishes this contract

1007
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
in Portland. I'd probably bet against
it. But they seem very committed just

1008
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,119
looking at what they did to retooling
around him, so I'm not of the

1009
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:20,639
mind that this is just going to
be something they hammer out in the next

1010
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:24,639
year. It could be, it
could not if he wanted to acquire him.

1011
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,199
If they want to acquire Donovan Mitchell, if they want to acquire Kevin

1012
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,119
Durant, if they want to acquire
any other star. The path right there

1013
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:34,320
now is salary filler, whatever it
takes, and it might take Kyle Lowry

1014
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,960
depending on how much that player makes. But it's you put Tyler Hero and

1015
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:44,840
Nikola Yovic on the table and then
you max out the picks and swaps that

1016
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,960
you can get. Assuming there they
can, you know, make the twenty

1017
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,840
twenty five pick with Okay see unprotect
that. If they can give Okay s

1018
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:57,760
something to facilitate it, you can
give your twenty twenty three first, twenty

1019
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,000
seven first, and twenty twenty nine
first plus swaps galore so twenty twenty four,

1020
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:05,159
twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight. So it'd be three picks,

1021
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:09,440
three swaps. I'd still consider yo
which a pick. So let's say four

1022
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:13,079
first, three swaps and Tyler Hero. That's the crux of your best offer.

1023
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,159
That's not that's not nothing. If
it's if that's what you offer for

1024
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:20,079
Donovan Mitchell. And the Heat apparently
made a pitch or to the Jazz for

1025
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:25,400
Donovan Mitchell. They deem the offer
insufficient. That's you know, we're talking

1026
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,159
about Jimmy Butler's on the older end. Kyle Lowry maybe he's part of that

1027
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:30,840
deal, but for Donovan Mitchell,
he wouldn't need to be. He's on

1028
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,119
the older end. You're giving them
Kevin Durant or Donovan Mitchell and knowing they

1029
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:39,280
have BAM, that changes how you
view their later picks either. That's a

1030
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,199
lot though. I don't think Damian
Lillard is going to be a target of

1031
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,519
the heat, although with Kyle Lowry
on an expiring contract next summer, if

1032
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,480
Damian Lillard did ask for out,
that does become an intriguing destination just through

1033
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:54,239
ways in which you can build build
offers there. I'm not ready to think

1034
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:59,159
about Dame asking for out now that
he's signed the extension and just given the

1035
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,360
direction they were cruitly headed and enter
entering the off season. Zach asked,

1036
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,239
what is the percentage increase of double
triple teams Yanna sees without Middleton on the

1037
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:11,000
floor. Zach, I don't know
have access to that data that I think.

1038
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,679
I'm as far as that's the second
spectrum level shit that I think would

1039
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,559
be behind team walls. I can
tell you though, with data that I

1040
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:20,920
do have access to Johannis was doubled
on over one third of his regular season

1041
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,400
possessions. That is a lot,
and the Bucks scored incredibly efficiently on those

1042
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,960
possessions in which he was double teamed. I imagine the percentage of possessions in

1043
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,480
which he double team goes up when
Middleton is off the floor, just because

1044
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:41,000
you don't have the threat that level
that Middleton is to counteract. There,

1045
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,239
you still Drew Holiday. So maybe
it's comparable. But if if you're running

1046
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:49,679
Yannis centric lineups, you would want
to double him more like conceptually, if

1047
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:53,119
I'm a defense, you're gonna want
to double him less when he's playing with

1048
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:56,840
Drew end or Middleton. Then when
he's not. This will be the final

1049
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,679
question. It's very quick. Deuce
Harts asked what is the baseball equivalent,

1050
01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,039
and he asked this to NBA maath. It's at MLB underscore Math. So

1051
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:09,599
if you like a baseball at MLB
underscore Math, at MBA underscore math as

1052
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:14,079
well, follow just sports math in
general. Adam the former co O it's

1053
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,760
still part of this podcast collaborator good
friend, I love him, but follow

1054
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:23,760
sports math at sports math Net.
And then the parent handles. There's there's

1055
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,960
one for the NFL that's at QB
Underscore Math, one for the MLB at

1056
01:07:28,159 --> 01:07:32,000
MLB Underscore Math, one for the
NHL at NHLs Underscore Math, and there

1057
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:38,719
is one for PGA Golf at PGA
Underscore Math. With that and as always,

1058
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,239
thank you all for the questions.
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1059
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,760
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1060
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,400
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1061
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,039
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1062
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:54,320
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1063
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,920
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1064
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,039
always say, and we finish like
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1065
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:02,639
here before, but the shout out
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1066
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:08,280
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