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Chaos for Clipper Nation. I guess
a little bit late night, we get

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the WOJ bomb. For those of
you unaware, the full package, Clippers

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got James Harden, PJ. Tucker
and Philippe Patrusev, who I know nothing

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about. The seventy six ers got
a twenty twenty six first round pick via

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OKC, the Clippers twenty twenty eight
first round pick, a twenty twenty nine

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pick swap, which I'm not I
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Twenty twenty four and twenty twenty nine
second round picks then BETWO Morris Covington and

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the newest Clipper to be traded,
kJ Martin. I think we should start

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by saying, you know, first
of all, should this trade go through?

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We made this mistake before with Mount
from Brocken, accurate from Adrian and

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WO Sharowski will operate under the understanding
that, yes, it likely is going

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through here. And I was thinking
this summer, you know, should I

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grow my beard out until they get
James Harden? Should I keep it growing

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until they get James Harden? But
uh, you know what, I kind

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of like it now, But we
need to respect the guys who are no

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longer Clippers here and chose some love
to Marcus Morris, to Robert Covington,

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to Nicholas Batoum, kJ Martin not
here for very long. But Nichola intro

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video. Is he the first player
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team's schedule release video and then traded
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Probably he might, considering we've only
had these videos the last few years.

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But uh, Nicholas Batoum was somebody
when he came to the Clippers. A

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lot of people had doubts about if
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be able to make the team when
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was bought out by the Charlotte Hornets, and he became one of the most

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beloved Clippers. Batomb Battalion assemble.
One last time I saw that tweet out

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there. The Batum family is beloved
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you ever interacted with Lily on Twitter. She also none of the guys knew

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about this, which is which Lily
tweeted out. You know, she tweeted

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that post from Drew Holliday's wife about
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up and you have to go to
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without it. And lot Murray mentioned
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trying to avoid that scenario here,
but apparently there was some phone call on

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Monday that Champs was talking about.
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They were part of. I think
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the Clippers have ever had the embracing
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boost that out. Just shout out, Joseph I Ward. He was there

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when Will and I think Brian Colin
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of glasses of wine and was shouting
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And that's where Batum Battalion came.
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That was a wonderful time for the
Clippers. Nico gave it is all

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just tough and hit big shots from
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a shot against the Denver Nuggets early
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called him Saint Nick. It happened
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the bubble. He hit a big
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Suns where Paul George trucked Devin Booker
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in the season. He had a
knack for knocking down big shots. We

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were just talking about how we all
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to him he would have knocked down
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So he's an all time fan favorite, and I thought he was one of

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the glue guys for this teamlutely for
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remembered very fondly. And as much
as people have derided Marcus Morris and how

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things have soured with him, let's
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was when they brought him in in
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there was an arms race for him
with the Los Angeles Lakers. They were

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in on him. We didn't know
who would actually come through, and he

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became a Clipper. And this was
someone who hit seven three pointers in a

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Game seven against the Dallas Mavericks after
struggling early on in that series in twenty

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twenty one, to propel them to
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they don't make it to the Western
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team history, where he also was
very effective without Kawhi Leonard after he went

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down in the second run. So, Marcus Morris, I think also you

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gotta tip your cap for a lot
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that playoff run along with big shots, and I hope people think of that

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stuff more often than just the last
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a Clipper, much longer than that. Yeah, I agree, it was

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rough, and then you move it
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to see it. We saw the
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It just we never got to see
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of fans wanted it to and thought
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the franchise record for three pointers made
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game when he first came over from
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I think the best thing you can
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he was all of last season.
There's free Roco chance going on, and

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he never made a stink about it
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even came into this season, were
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absolute pro. And now he's headed
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and he'll be comfortable there. But
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say they're still on a team that's
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think so. And I one more
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you've ever been to a Clippers game, you've seen Vlad there. I'm sure

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Roco signed Clipper Vlad's free Roco custom
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of the coolest things, one of
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But let's talk about the team now. In the trade, we kept

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Terrence Man, which is huge shows
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traded if you didn't think Terrence was
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absolutely opens up that possibility. This
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So so they have to who else
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They don't have any other options.
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it has to happen. You're right, a lot of people are now you

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know, we don't know when Harden's
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that would be hilarious. Will's reported
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He was so excited to be coming
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out to la But again, the
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I yeah, Josephry Warden, I
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this Brogdon trade didn't go down,
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ever have we don't have to redo
this. But Miles Johnson on the stream,

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if you want to hang out with
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Clippers podru on YouTube at Clippers Podcast. He said the factory kept Terrence Norman

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bones is amazing and really lifts our
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happy we kept bones Nor. I
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team, given the kind of redundancy. You know, we have no power

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forwards. Now we have all these
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figure out that fit. I think
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Norm but they did get PJ.
Tucker, and I know Philly fans and

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I've listened to them him last decent
because it looked like offensively he just didn't

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have much to offer anymore. He
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corner threes that he's been so good
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was still effective on that end.
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a guy. When they said the
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was done, they said the same
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guys come to the Clippers and be
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him. They have parents, fan, you know, somebody else who may

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get back into the rotation. And
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there on the court. A mere
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got brought up a bunch on Twitter. People were like, so we kept

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a mirror, which is his confidence
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had such a weird Clippers tenures and
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so yeah, now it's like a
mer let's more time for a merror from

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a guy who was traded in the
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more much more valuable piece like we
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ago when he had that great January
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team, the most consistent player,
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his defense for an entire month for
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so let's talk about the big aspect
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You can have issues about the fit. I think that's fair. I think

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Jamal Christopher tweeted this, well,
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as a player. That's just the
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Harden is a very good player.
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team. To me, that's what
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think people were in baggage. It's
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last twenty two months that people are
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But I think also some people are
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starting thing. It feels like Clippers
Twitter is already like, let's bring Russ

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off the bench, let's have Terrence
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start both. I think they'll initially
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my biggest point all summer for one
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been it gives you the opportunity.
I've said it time and time again to

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bring Russell Westbrook off the bench,
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then the offense is centered around him. He'll get more looks, he can

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run the show. It's more of
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be in. Said it a million
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or a James Harden Great Debate show
on this channel if you want to go

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back and check that out. Now. I have been keying in on James

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Harden and all the reasons he could
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I think the fit is spectacular next
to Kawhi and Paul George. If you

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have to move rush to the bench
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you make that move. Terrence Man
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that's a little messy now, a
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with a different roster, a very
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Maybe we'll see I think by game
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from coach Lou and it could be
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think we get the ten game Tyler
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That's what I'm saying Initially, I
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two, it could look very different. And I have a feeling, yes,

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I think by game eighty two it'll
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I was on the side. If
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was wearing aviators. I don't know
why I wore them because I guess I

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wanted to look tough during the debate
Jackie. But I was on the side.

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Yeah, I was on the side
that James Harden absolutely raises the Clippers

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floor. I think, I think
if you're somehow so blinded by the off

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court stuff that you can't see that, you're maybe lost in this whole process,

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right, Like I understand I have
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lot of fans do about his off
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do. But the on court stuff
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the Clippers are worse. Well,
to me, I just don't think you

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can. You can actually think the
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case, raising their floor raises their
ceiling in two different ways. One,

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I just think you're better off in
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James Harden is not the primary option, he's not the secondary option.

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He's the third option. And that's
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series as a third option. Back
to his Okase days really, or back

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to one first round series he had
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and KD were actually all healthy.
For those that are so concerned with his

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cold streaks in the playoffs at times, and it's at times because he's had

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spectacular plenty of them, huge playoff
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in the second round last season.
He had multiple forty point games and won

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them. That game won without Joel
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Lemish is or his off nights in
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been at times in the playoffs.
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option. But also the reason I
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It raises their floor in the regular
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seed, which raises your ceiling because
only top three seeds outside of the ninety

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five Houston Rockets have won the championship
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I think think there was a great
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who said, like, if you're
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you know, if the Clippers are
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fourth, depending what the vibe is
and the momentum is. If Kawhi PG

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are hurt, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter if Kawhi and PG are

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hurt because then it's not you know, things are a lot tougher that scenario.

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So James Harden being the number one
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hurt a lot better than when we
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number one option, but still not
ideal. So it's kind of moot anyway,

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Look, if they're both hurt,
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is out for a brief amount of
time, a few games, you can

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get by in a series with Kawhi
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George. James Harden and Russell Westbrook
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Harden. They would have look We
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in the first round against a Phoenix
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Leonard available. With how good he
looked the first two games. They have

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an opportunity now where it increases your
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of you just being able to get
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bit until those guys can come back. Ultimately, yeah, to win a

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championship, they're gonna need everybody,
but you could get by in a first

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round series with guys banged up when
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to what we've seen in past years. Totally now focusing on things like this

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terrifying regular season. When it comes
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so who's playing power forward? They
traded all of them away, fair

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question. They didn't trade a guy
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Who was named the starting power forward. That was Terrence Man. He's still

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on the team. Sure, they
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think he's the starter, the guy
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that's important to say. But it's
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the the guy who you want played
playing power forward the most is still on

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the team, correct, But we
we still need like so is it.

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I'm assuming it's you're saying it's PJ. Then Pj's the backup for yeah,

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and then a mere coffee Kobe,
You're okay? Well, I love I

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do love that Kobe Brown. This
opens up minutes for him, Chuck,

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this is your guy. That's perfect
actually because I hope so, I hope

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he proves me a little bit right
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Now, he just hit his first
shot NBA shot. It was a

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three pointer. So I think winning
basketball the minutes crunch in the consolidation happened.

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The happening of the consolidation finally occurred
for this Clippers team that everybody was

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asking for. And some think what
they overdid it. They over compisated with

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too much consolidation, because let's see
Nicholas Batoum, who we love, who

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was giving them good minutes already this
season. Yes, but this is somebody

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who was openly talking about retirement after
this season. Robert Covington, a guy

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they didn't use much at all last
season, is gone. Yes, he

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was starting, and it looked like
that situation was going to be different this

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year. But they didn't use him
much at all last year. Marcus Morris,

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most people didn't want to be playing. Those are the guys you lost

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to bring in James Harden and you
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was named the starter, the fifth
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the power forward or not. If
what we're saying is going to happen in

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the starting lineup with Russ and James
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Paul George are moving up positions.
So therefore, why are you worried about

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the power forward position when it's going
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Hard and Russ in the back court. Because you still need bodies, of

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course you do. But if we
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too much debt true, I mean, and your point about the Roco thing

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too. It was like we've talked
about this podcast, A lot of Clippers

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podcasts have talked about it. If
the Clippers weren't going to use these guys,

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then what are we doing? Right? Like, we all wanted them

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to use Roco and Wingstop and we
wanted that, but they refused to so

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we never got that. So if
they're not using them, this is where

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we're at. We kept the guy
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It's I'm interested to see how Ty
figures this out. I'm wondering what small

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ball looks like. How long they
were people who were saying no, Terrence

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Man was technically the shooting guard out
there. It's like guys he was.

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He was gonna be guarding marketing.
That was the point that coachlu made That

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was one of the guys. His
versatility on defense is why they wanted him

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in the starting lineup. He was
going to be guarding a lot of the

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bigger guys out there. It was
matchup depended. So it goes back to

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more positionless basketball. Versatility on defense
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Uh, this is totally not an
issue. Um I someone brought up

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a good point about the bench.
Because you got bones, Norm Man will

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be fun off the bench. Man's
gonna have a lot of possibility off the

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bench defensively with Bones and Norm and
the one and two. Not that they're

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not that bones it's bad at defending, but Terrence is gonna be called along

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quite a bit. U But the
bench unit has some interesting properties. Now.

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I like that they got the vet
and plumbly there to kind of hopefully

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keep things a little settled if if
things go wonky. But uh oh,

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Eric we has a good question here, shout out Eric Buie. He made

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this fantastic background that you're that you're
seeing right now. He said, you

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see Russer Harden getting more run with
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Yeah, right, like on the
whole. It's gotta be rough. That's

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a terrifying guy to run that second
in a good way. It was just

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mentioned by coach Lou that he wanted
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Bones, more with the starters.
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vision of how they wanted to use
Russell Westbrook. That's why I wouldn't put

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it totally past him to just start
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Russ was for this move. He
and James Harden like each other. Everyone

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he's willing and right. Like I've
seen some tweets. Someone was like someone

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tweeted out like, oh you know, you know PG and Kawi hate this

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move. No they don't. Why
on earth would like that's an insane day,

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Like That's truly the wildest shit I
think I've seen on those whole James

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Harden trade is that PG and Kawh
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the guy who could be making the
biggest sacrifice in coming off the bench

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now, and Russell Westbrook was for
this move. I think he knew that

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possibility would be out there, that
it would change minutes for him, that

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it would change his role, and
he was for it. So I don't

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think it's nuts to think that it
could start start off with Terrence Man back

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in the starting lineup whenever he is
healthy next to James Harden, Kawhi,

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PG and Zubots. It may not
take that long or those ten to fifteen

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game sample size of having Russ in
the backcourt with James Harden. And look,

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we get make too big of a
deal out of who's starting versus who

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is finishing, and when that first
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a ball game. It's not the
biggest deal to me. Interesting, I

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mean, that's fair. That's been
the rhetoric for the Clippers since Mark Shinger

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tot was the starting center and he
would play like an eight minute shift and

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then just be like done with the
game for the most part, for important

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times. So I think the closing
lineups and that's what I hope, that's

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what I'm gonna be looking for,
mostly because that's you know, when we

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slow down in the half court,
James Harden is going to be out there.

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He's the guy you want running the
half court offense when it's when it's

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that bogged down playoff basketball, James
Harden is not just one of the greatest

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scores in NBA history, he's one
of the greatest playmakers in NBA history.

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That's quickly what Philadelphia learned, what
Brooklyn Brooklyn learned when he left the Houston

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Rockets, there was much less of
I got a call about this after Game

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one, and I actually try to
bring this up on a show recently,

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but you guys shouted me down and
said we're not talking James Harden, which

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is weird now, but uh,
that was because people on Twitter wanted to

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like give it to the Absolutely those
people are lunatics. Are they the same

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one as the one to into a
dome rock thrown through their window? Yes?

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Probably. But I think what teams
realized is in leading the league and

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assists last season, just how much
he can adjust his game. James Harden

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doesn't just dribble out the clock,
and you know Charles Barkley would call him

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the dribbler and play isolation basketball.
He's a pick and roll god. He's

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gonna make the game so much easier
for Vita Zubots and everyone. I mean,

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the main thing he's going to do
is make the game easier for the

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two to one to three connection to
get the most out of them, to

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get your best chance to win a
championship. It's getting the most out of

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Kawhi and Paul George, and I
think the fit is going to be perfect

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next to James Harden on the offensive
end. There Now, defensively, there

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could be issues because teams are gonna
try to pick on him. They're gonna

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try to get cross matchups where they
go at James Harden, who will likely

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also be guarding power forwards at times, so he's not on the perimeter and

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getting beat off the dribble there,
but teams are gonna hunt him, They're

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gonna try to get switched onto him. His defense is also I remember this

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happened in the twenty twenty All Star
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That was the one that where they
changed the rules an All Star game.

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Well, James Harden got matched up
in the post I think against Giannis

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Denikumpo, and guys were going hard. This was uh soon, Oh was

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this the last like when they had
to get to one of us? This

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was the rules, the first situation
with that quarter by quarter and it played

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out great and it was the most
exciting All Star game in a while,

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and they got what they wanted.
And guys were playing hard late and they

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were trying to go at James Harden
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They couldn't do anything about it.
I think it was Jannis Denikoumpo who

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was going after him. And people
also realized, oh, he's a really

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good post defender and he has been
for a while. He's obviously grady eight

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deflections, great at getting steals.
Some of that is gambling, but it's

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his perimeter defense. You worry more
about you get him in the post.

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James Harden is quality there. Agreed, totally agree with that. That is

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something that historically is I think a
little overlooked in James Harden game is that

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low post that defense race. Marlin
has a very funny question I want to

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talk about. He said, are
we worried about the black hole that PJ.

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Tucker is? Offensively? I am
not entirely. I don't think ty

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Lou's worried about it because it's not
like, you know, Marcus Morris towards

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the end was a kind of a
black hole Defensively, Roco wasn't ever asked

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to do too much. These guys
aren't. PJ. Tucker is not going

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to be asked to do anything that
necessitates, like if the Clippers need his

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offense to win a game, things
have gone horribly wrong. Can you be

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a black hole on offense if you
take less than two shots per game?

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That doesn't even make sense to me. He took one point seven shot attempts

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per game last season with the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. Black Hole typically refers

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to a guy who gets the ball, has tunnel vision and is looking for

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his shot, and his shot only
it doesn't make anyone better around him.

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The problem with PJ Tucker on offense
is just if teams are going to respect

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his shot in the corner, where
he has always been deadly from distance,

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but that fell off last season.
Those corner threes weren't necessarily there for him.

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He ended up shooting forty on them, but he took less than two

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per game. Those one point seven
shots he took per game, they were

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only three pointers. All he does
is take that corner three pointer. So

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if he can get his confidence back
there, shooting is the last thing to

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go. But he's thirty nine years
of age. Now that's gonna be telling

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to see how effective he can be
because you can't have him. I guess

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if you're referring to a black hole, as he gives you nothing offensively,

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and teams could just sag off of
him and play off of him, and

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therefore, how could he and Russ
and another non shooter like Zubots be out

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there at the same time. Yeah, there's some worry, there's some concern,

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but we'll see. I've seen guys
be rejuvenated as Clippers before. I'm

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interested to see what they can get
out of PJ. Tucker. Now and

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his defense from everything I've been seeing
from Philly fans, is still very stout

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on that end. He also isn't
a complete He makes sound decisions. Usually

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when he's passing the ball, he
doesn't exactly you know what I mean,

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Like he doesn't his turnovers per game. You know, it's he doesn't ever

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get the ball very much to turn
the ball over. But it's not like

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he's you know, conceding a bunch
of possessions. Kind of continue this power

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forward talk, are are on the
YouTube stream says, so are we trading

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Norm or someone else for a power
forward? We're gonna play this out.

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The Clippers talked about patience. Sure
they made the hard and trade in the

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middle of the night, but we're
they're gonna play this out. They they

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want to. I guess see some
youth like it's I'm not ruling it totally

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out that they that they maybe move
Norm, but it's not gonna be anytime

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soon. We're gonna have to have
like I don't know if it's gonna have

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to be like mission critical to trade
Norm for a power forward or something like

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that, but I don't see it
happening super soon. He's also had a

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great start to the season. We
can't discount norm start to the season.

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Yeah, and eventtively has been better
too. His SHOT's been there early on.

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I'm interested to see. Just you
mentioned the ten to fifteen game sample

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size that coach lou loves. Let's
see that with this group. I don't

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think you need that big of a
sense of urgency that, oh we have

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to find that perfect power forward now
when you have Terrence Man, PJ.

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Tucker, and a mere Coffee,
all those guys are more than serviceable at

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that position. Oh and by the
way, it could just be Kawhi Leonard

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playing a bunch more power forward.
I think you're okay, sure, So

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I'm not sure if it's as much
big of a need as some people are

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making it out to be, or
just they look on paper and saw that

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we lost our three guys, our
three power forwards, our three guys who

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were most suited to play that position. Well, they have other guys to

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make up for that there, And
Morris was getting dm like Morris was not

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going to play at all for the
Clippers this year, like he after some

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shit that happened, Like he wasn't
gonna play. Yeah, he was getting

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announced coaches decision DMPs, which I
have never seen before on the injury report,

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just like, yeah, he's not
playing coach's decision. Sorry. I

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was on the wall for some time. But you know, he was traded

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in the Malcolm Brogna trade and that
fell through. Right, he was already

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off the team, So Mike dang, let's get into the real media discussion

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on Philip Patruss. No, I'm
just kidding, uh Optimus Prime Rim has

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a good question. You said,
chances at Kawhi and or PG sign extensions?

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Now l Frank may have wanted assurances
from them before pulling the trigger.

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I think they were always probably gonna
sign extensions. It's the amount of money

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that the issue is gonna be.
This is another sticking point for people who

405
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,799
didn't want Harden, and one that
I'm a little interested to see. Let's

406
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,720
just say how it plays out.
Is his status after the season. The

407
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,200
Clippers have his bird ride, which
is helpful if they want to make kind

408
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of a big splash. But I
was already kind of pretty confident Kwai PG

409
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,440
we're gonna get offered extensions. I'm
not sure. I think Lawrence Frank,

410
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:17,079
maybe you know, already has a
hunch they're gonna do this because we also

411
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,279
pulled the trigger without Terrence Man.
So I'm not sure if if the contract

412
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:22,240
you know, I don't. I'm
not sure if they shook hands and said,

413
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,960
okay, we can finally do this
trade. But it is a I

414
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,559
think it is a fair thought.
If anything, to me, the Clippers

415
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:34,240
going all in like this with Harden
tells you how confident they are in the

416
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:40,119
health of those two guys this season
and how Kawhi Leonard has looked so far.

417
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880
I don't think they make this all
in move if they didn't feel like

418
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,480
Kawhi's back back. He looks great
out there. He's got more lyft than

419
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,799
ever on his three point shot.
That deep three he hit the other night

420
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:56,720
from Steph curry Land was impressive.
Uh. So they're doubling down. It's

421
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:02,440
what we've been talking about all summer
long. This is exactly what I wanted

422
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,960
to see play out. It sucks
to see guys leave. It's a tough

423
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:10,319
business. That part of it's really
hard, especially Nicholas patom He's one of

424
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,480
my all time favorite Clippers. He's
got some of those Patrick Beverley vibes.

425
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,160
In a similar fashion for me where
he's just he's just an all timer,

426
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,039
because it's not just the skill,
it's the heart, it's the relationship with

427
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,759
the community and Clipper Nation. But
if you want to win a championship,

428
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,319
you had to make this move.
It gets you closer. That was the

429
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,720
question I kept asking, Does getting
James Harden bring you closer to a championship?

430
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,359
Yes or no? If you say
yes, then how do you not

431
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,039
make the move? And this is
by the way, while we were still

432
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,400
talking about would they have to give
up Terrence Man, Guys, they didn't

433
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:51,000
have to give up Terrence Man.
That is a sprinkle to this that's unbelievable.

434
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:55,400
Everybody else is saying, if you
saw last night, fleecet was trending

435
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,440
on x because well, I don't
get I don't get how this makes the

436
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,240
the Sixers any closer to a championship. Well, they think they have the

437
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,880
assets now to trade for another piece, I think is what it is with

438
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:14,279
those two first round picks and some
movable expiring contracts. I do think it

439
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:20,119
makes them obviously, it makes them
deeper, and that has some purpose during

440
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:23,319
the regular season. We'll see how
they use those guys. But they were

441
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:28,119
trying to get enough assets just so
they can flip them and turn it into

442
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,119
another All Star type player to bring
in with Joel Embiid. Who knows who

443
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:36,559
they'll go after. I think the
Chicago Bulls are going to be one of

444
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:40,200
those teams that teams are looking at
picking off of, maybe Zach Lavine,

445
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:46,559
maybe Damar DeRozan, somebody like that. They could become a Lasers. You

446
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,039
got a couple of guys on that
Blazers team who probably shouldn't be there for

447
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:57,240
the Malcolm Rod is still there.
So yeah, funny, real quick.

448
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:02,599
Patrick Beverley tweeted up, Uh,
he said, damn they traded Philip with

449
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,319
an F. He loved Patrusev,
which is very funny. He played in

450
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,279
the NBA, yet he's played in
Summer League. He was getting beat up

451
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,480
by the nets and he went out
and like and pat Bev kind of defended

452
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,279
him and stuff like that. So
I do not think he's played in the

453
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:23,079
NBA. I think it also bears
mentioning, not just the relationship they have

454
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,640
off the court. And we're talking
about a bunch of guys now from southern

455
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,680
California, the two Pine three plus
James Hard and Russell Westbrook Norman Powell.

456
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,160
But Russ had one of the best
stretches of his career next to James Harden

457
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:46,000
before the bubble, and he had
a thigh injury before that long hiatus after

458
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:51,599
COVID shut everything down, he was
playing some of the best basketball of his

459
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,319
career when they leaned into that five
out lineup, which I'm sure the Clippers

460
00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,559
are going to be utilizing at times
with coach Lou Russ. There we go,

461
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,839
Caesar, imagine the small ball lineup
is gonna be better than the Houston

462
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,320
Rockets. James Harden and Russ are
both older. They're not as good as

463
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,440
they were then. They aren't as
quick, quite as quick as they were

464
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,840
then. Although rust looks pretty unbelievable, James has definitely lost a step.

465
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,639
Can he still get by guys?
Can he still put up forty on you

466
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,119
in a playoff game? Yeah,
we just saw it last season, but

467
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,320
it's not as consistent with that dribble
drive to where he either. He was

468
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,519
such an impossible guard because if you
played up on him, he'd drive by

469
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:39,039
you. If you played off of
him, he'd have that step back three

470
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:44,800
pointer. This, also, by
the way, gives the Clippers. I

471
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,679
don't know where they rank right now. It seems like they've been better in

472
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,119
this area and through the three games, but free throw attempts per game has

473
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,039
been an issue for them. That's
gonna go up. Yeah, they're gonna

474
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:59,400
get more easy shots, but also
more easy points just getting freebies at the

475
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,400
free throw LI now having James Harden, regardless of what you think about his

476
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:07,199
game and some of the ref baiting, whatever you want to call it,

477
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,639
it's been effective for him in his
career. You could say we're talking about

478
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,880
another top seventy five player of all
time. Guys, it's insane. Will

479
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,920
Updike, I will say, Will
Updyke just texted me and said that was

480
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,239
five years ago. Lol. About
the hard pairing, I just said they

481
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,800
were younger. No, I know
he's at work when he's contributing. If

482
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,079
you're new to this, by the
way, it's usually three of us.

483
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,159
Will Updike has to work. I
should be working. But you know how

484
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,880
it goes. Kin Ja wants to
know when is James going to make his

485
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880
debut today against the Magic? Probably
not, or tomorrow against the Lakers.

486
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,039
I hope he doesn't make his debut
against the Magic tonight. Just for his

487
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:54,639
health's and things like that. So
probably against the Lakers. But then don't

488
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,519
the Clippers have a bunch of time
off after this back to back days off.

489
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:04,400
They don't after Wednesday till next Monday. So I think that actually played

490
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,920
a big role in making this move. Now, it made sense. You

491
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,320
get them in, get them acclimated, assimulated, you can get a few

492
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,119
practices in. There's this is really
the only dead spot outside of the All

493
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,599
Star break in the Clippers schedule.
So I'm sure that weight on the front

494
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:23,960
office's mind if we're gonna do it, now is the time to bring him

495
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,599
in because we'll be able to get
him in the building, have a little

496
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,840
time to make up guys, and
then played next Monny. For sure,

497
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:37,679
a bunch of people wanted this trade, you know, various people wanted a

498
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,320
certain kind of trade to have for
James Harten as soon as possible. We

499
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,280
all kind of, you know,
we wanted it, maybe before training camp.

500
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,119
There was all that momentum right when
the season ended, and then just

501
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,559
kind of nothing about it. So
this was the earliest they could make the

502
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,679
trade, I guess, and they
got it done three games in. It's

503
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840
like I guess, well, if
they had done it earlier, it likely

504
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,400
would have cost them Terrence Man.
That's how I see it. It was

505
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,559
a negotiating tactic to leap out,
and it sounded like I caught something from

506
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:13,000
Sean Sharania earlier who it looked like
Philadelphia ownership group put pressure on Darryl Morey

507
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:17,039
to have to make this move and
get it done ship. Yeah. But

508
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:22,639
from the Clippers perspective, yeah,
I think if you had done this months

509
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,639
ago, it would have the price
would have been higher, the price tag

510
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,360
would have been higher, would have
costed you more and likely Terrence Man.

511
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,440
I honestly, I don't think people, I don't think you can overstate how

512
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880
important it is that this team was
able to keep Terrence Man in a trade

513
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:44,599
for James Harden. That's unbelievable.
You want to talk about switchability and lineup

514
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:50,239
combinations and having the perfect coach for
that, and having this guy that's almost

515
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,880
like a queen on a chessboard because
of all the different moves you can make.

516
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,679
You know in a way, Well, you don't like that, you

517
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,719
don't you don't like the chess.
I just didn't. I didn't expect to

518
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,840
hear I did not expect to hear
that that analogy. I'm not mad at

519
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,480
it. I'm just I would say
I'm taken a back. He can fill

520
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,639
in the cracks wherever you need him. Like for as much as people have

521
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,639
complained about Terrence Man and not having
a defined role, it's actually perfect to

522
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:22,960
have him, especially on this newly
constructed Clippers roster, because, oh,

523
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,639
you need a guy in the back
court tonight, Terrence Man. You need

524
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,000
a guy in the front court now, Terrence Man. And he's been through

525
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,039
this so many times. It's natural
to him, it's innate. He's used

526
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:39,239
to it, having to be this
versatile guy. It's perfect. I just

527
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:44,000
I can't say enough about them holding
on a Terrence Man in this move that

528
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,800
is this front office has been unbelievable. I mean, Lawrence Frank Executive of

529
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,559
the Year a couple of seasons ago. And also this speaks to once again

530
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:59,119
the Clippers a destination franchise. They
became that when they got Kawhi Leonard.

531
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,480
They need to be I don't think
people are appreciative enough of just the fact

532
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:07,079
that guys want to come here now, big time superstars, some of the

533
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,719
greatest players all time, and they
wanted to come back home, And how

534
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,559
cool would it be if a bunch
of guys from Socow got together won the

535
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:22,320
Clippers their first championship. That would
be a pretty unbelievable story. It would

536
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,559
be nice. Stu Quinn is in
the chat. Shout out Stu Quinn one

537
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:29,239
of the old listeners from the Lockdown
Clippers days. We would always, for

538
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,840
some reason do segments about his specific
over under win total bets. But he

539
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,920
said, how much staggering do you
guys expect? I feel like Luke can

540
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,280
keep at least two of the Big
four on the court at all times.

541
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,159
I mean, I think he could. We talked about this on the last

542
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:49,199
episode. How it seems like I
think the word we saw on Twitter was

543
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,519
Tyler is using Kawhi and PG to
go on the court to just bludgeon opponents

544
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:58,360
and then not stagger them as much. This changes it where I have no

545
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:02,280
ish, I have no like disbelief
that we're going to see at least two

546
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,840
of these guys on the floor most
of the time. Yeah, and having

547
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:12,960
either James or Russ out there running
the show at all times keeps your offense

548
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:17,079
a more well oiled machine or bones. By the way, he probably takes

549
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,679
the biggest hit in some ways by
this move playing time wise, but he

550
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:30,320
also bones gets to learn now from
Westbrook and James Harden. That's pretty great

551
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,119
mentorship at the position. James is
somebody that I really don't think it gets

552
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:43,559
enough credit for his playmaking ability.
I really don't like this guy sees stuff

553
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:47,519
that nobody else does. He has
a high basketball IQ and it goes back

554
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:53,559
to making players around you better because
of that basketball intelligence and just making the

555
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,559
right basketball play. And if you
want to talk about playoff shortcomings, cool,

556
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,599
He's never been on a team this
much snap cool where he's had two

557
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,199
wings like Kawhi and Paul George.
I'm just saying that you want to go

558
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,920
down that road, it doesn't make
a lot of sense to me because he

559
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,960
hasn't had a situation like this going
back to his OKAC days where he was

560
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,480
a completely different player there anyways,
and he was so young. So he's

561
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:24,719
back to being a third option like
he was then, and he's gonna be

562
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,039
I think, on his best behavior, at his best playing ability. I'll

563
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,559
tell you what he's he's gotta be. I think he will be. I

564
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,840
know that you could probably find clips
from four other teams saying exactly what I'm

565
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,159
about to say. But I think
he's gonna do it this time. I

566
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:43,159
think it's gonna be great. I
have no choice but to believe. That's

567
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,880
the other part the trade. For
everyone who's upset, the trade has happened.

568
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,679
The trade has happened. We're here
now. Let's hope the team wins,

569
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,039
right. I don't want anyone to
lose their minds and be like,

570
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,320
well, no, I'm never rooting
for the Clippers. We gotta hope they

571
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,800
win. Y'all that we wanted them
to try. Shit, they're trying stuff.

572
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,519
Capt Terrence Man, We're here for
the ride. You've been a Clippers

573
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,719
fan this long. If this is
what gets you to stop being a fan,

574
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,800
I don't know what to tell you. Well, I just don't see

575
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:15,440
how with the former roster without and
I said this before, somebody taking a

576
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,400
big leap this season in bones or
Terrence Man then being able to get through

577
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,719
the gauntlet of twenty five instances of
three games in four nights this season,

578
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,639
the fifteen back to backs, They're
going to have Howard seventeen games in March.

579
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,360
This is where this I know,
I harp on this so much on

580
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,639
this podcast. Seventeen games in the
months March should be illegal. It should

581
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:44,199
not be legal for any sport except
maybe baseball, I guess. But like

582
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,199
someone asked, do y'all see Westbrook
on the bench to close games late in

583
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,360
the season in March, let's do
it. We're gonna need this many like

584
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:59,320
not bench, but like we're gonna
need all hands on deck and whatever's working,

585
00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:01,760
Let's do it. Russ might have
the legs late, maybe it's bones,

586
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,960
But like, I'm so worried about
March every Clippers fans. Yeah,

587
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,679
I mean, I'm worried about November
and December first, but yeah, I'm

588
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:15,239
worried about March too. The schedule
overall is just so brutal. I do

589
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,159
think that played a role, I
really do. I thought this schedule was

590
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,519
much tougher than last season. I
thought it was the ultimate Clippers got the

591
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:30,280
short end of the stick schedule in
their last year Arena. Yeah, they

592
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,559
were basically has come out as like
I think Sham's reported that of Like,

593
00:43:32,679 --> 00:43:37,039
yeah, basically they were like that's
the last year. Fuck them. That

594
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:44,000
was kind of pell show Kinkos,
you know what. Basically, Yeah,

595
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:49,280
I am the manager that's what the
Clippers had to do. But James Harden,

596
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,920
like I mentioned, in a playoff
series, being able to get by.

597
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,079
We already know there are going to
be games where Kawhi and Paul George

598
00:43:57,119 --> 00:44:00,599
are missing games. Now in the
regular season, we already know that's going

599
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,199
to happen. If they play sixty
five plus, you'd sign up for that

600
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,639
today. That would likely to be
best case scenario. Now you have James

601
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:12,840
Harden to fall back on on those
nights. And yes, hopefully he can

602
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,119
stay healthy too. He's had his
own issues hamstring. Played I think fifty

603
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:22,199
eight games last year, sixty five
games the year before. Look to be

604
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,119
in good shape at that training camp
in Colorado with the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

605
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:30,079
But we'll see. If he plays
tomorrow night against the Lakers, then

606
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:37,039
that'll say something about his conditioning.
I guess yeah, that's true, Timothy.

607
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:40,679
I'll ban you apologize if I butchered
that, he said. Hopefully this

608
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,639
trade lets us dial back Westbrook minutes
to twenty five to thirty instead of thirty

609
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:51,239
five plus. Get maxim Evan from
Westbrook in shortened stints will be a plus.

610
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,559
I think this does take some pressure
off Russ a little bit in terms

611
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:58,880
of just straight up minutes. We
now have two guys who, if they're

612
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,920
not out on the court together can
run point very adequately, if not very

613
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,920
well for this Clippers team. So
I like this trade for Russ's legs too.

614
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,199
I like where Tim's heads out on
this one. Yeah, I expect

615
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,639
minutes to go down across the board. You're saving more legs now in the

616
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:20,440
regular season. We talked about Harden
being a regular season innings eater this summer,

617
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:24,920
what he could do like a starting
pitcher like Lance Lennie or who is

618
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,039
the who is the Dodger starter?
Who am I thinking of? They gave

619
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,400
up all the home runs and uh
this season? And in Game three against

620
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,519
the Arizona Diamondbacks, Lance Lynn yeah
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

621
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,519
One of the reason they brought him
in was because they needed someone to

622
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:45,920
soak up some innings. Now,
Harden, it's not a fair comparison because

623
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,760
he's such a high level player,
but yeah, let's not James. It's

624
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,840
comparing the innings eating and what you
need him for during the regular season,

625
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,840
and James Harden can win you games
in a similar fashion like we saw with

626
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,480
us last season. In that game
against the Memphis Grizzlies where he had that

627
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:07,480
throwback MVP type performance took over.
No Kawhi, no Paul George. I

628
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,599
think he had thirty six and hit
something like five to three pointers or six

629
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,639
three pointers. There are going to
be nights where guys are out and James

630
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,519
Harden just wins you the ballgame.
Now, like this is the path to

631
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,360
being a top three seed, getting
in James Harden. Now it is on

632
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,760
the table. And without that,
they'd have to make history by being one

633
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,480
of those rare fluky teams that wins
the championship, like the ninety five Houston

634
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:35,599
Rockets when you're not a top three
seed. And by the way, Houston

635
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:37,159
has just won the year before,
so they had the pedigree, they had

636
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:43,840
the experience. The Clippers have never
won obviously, and James Harden I think

637
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:46,159
makes them better today. And that's
what's most important. It gives you an

638
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:50,840
opportunity, a better opportunity to win
a chip. That's what this entire era

639
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,519
is about. That's what Steve Balmer
is about, trying to win them their

640
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:59,599
first championship. I mean, we
got the new arena. Someone in the

641
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:01,119
chat was like, remember they got
the new arena opening, and I'm like,

642
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:07,199
I don't think anyone's forgetting that.
Oh for real new arena? What's

643
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:13,079
it called. Timothy Albanu also asked
shout out to him for the questions does

644
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,679
this trade and lack of available players
increase the chance that Kawi and PG played

645
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,679
them today and tomorrow? For both? I still think they're going to see

646
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,480
how they feel after the game.
That's that's what Tyler said. I don't

647
00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:28,840
think this change is it If they're
not feeling good after what's going to be

648
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,079
a hard ass game against the Magic, I'm totally fine with, you know,

649
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,440
maybe not putting them out there on
the back to back. It takes

650
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:45,519
the burden off of two injury prone
superstars from having to push themselves unnecessarily too

651
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:52,519
much in regular season games just to
scratch out victories and therefore wearing them out

652
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,079
before the playoffs even start. That
was always a concern of mine coming into

653
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:58,679
this season, as much as yes, you you need to take the regular

654
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,440
season seriously, but if to do
that it ends up affecting you in the

655
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,519
playoffs, you know, there's a
downside to it. So there was never

656
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:13,199
this perfect middle ground for the Clippers
to find a way to balance out managing

657
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,159
the regular season and still being a
top three seed while also keeping your stars

658
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:22,599
healthy for the playoffs. Now they
have that because they can rely on James

659
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:24,639
Harden so much to get the job
done and be an inning Zeter during the

660
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:30,079
regular season. And it's gonna leave
fresh legs for Kawhi and Paul George,

661
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,760
who are going to be your main
two guys and closers in seven game series.

662
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,480
Steve Quinn is excited for some Coffeas
for closers, we're all excited for

663
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:43,159
the Puns to come back. He
has sacrificed a lot for his career to

664
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,519
stay with his team. It's been
pretty pretty incredible to see. So maybe

665
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,920
a mir can get He might be
another kind of reclamation project, even though

666
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,519
he's already been on the team.
To your point, Adam, he's a

667
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:58,199
guy whose career could get a little
more juice now. In that contract contract

668
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,440
that we talked about when they gave
it to him, and that was a

669
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,239
steal, it may look like even
more of a team friendly contract if he's

670
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,159
getting fifteen twenty minutes a night now, all of a sudden, mer is

671
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:13,039
just he's very reliable. I know
he didn't shoot the ball that great last

672
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,480
season. Put on some size,
maybe it affected his shot. But he's

673
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:21,960
somebody that I trust because he can
play multiple positions, and I thought he

674
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:24,960
was very consistent when they needed him
to be a couple of seasons ago,

675
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:30,559
when the Clippers were without Kawhi so
much, without Paul George, who only

676
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,400
played I think thirty one games in
that twenty one to twenty two season.

677
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,280
I like this freeing up a spot
for Mire Coffee, who we've been talking

678
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,280
about is one of the unsung guys
that kind of flies under the radar now

679
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:47,239
just because they had too much depth. Clipper Raider, who tough fandom there

680
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,639
right now, said definitely don't want
bones minutes to get out, which I'm

681
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,519
sure it will. I mean,
you know, we're we're here with Adam

682
00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,480
Oslin, the Leader of the Skeleton
Key Army as I think we should call

683
00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:06,320
it, the Leader of the Skeleton
Key Army. His mins are gonna go

684
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,159
down, but he's he said all
the right things. For the most part,

685
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,320
I think he's gonna be He's gonna
be fine. He's still the whatever

686
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,199
shakes out currently, he's still the
backup point right, Like, as far

687
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,920
as we see it, he's still
number two, So I don't his man's

688
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,599
are gonna go down, but his
his status on the team. If he

689
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,559
gets hot, Tyler's gonna let him
do his thing like it's I think Bones

690
00:50:28,639 --> 00:50:32,920
is gonna be okay if he can
really keep showing this kind of maturity is

691
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,800
not the right word. That feels
too heavy handed, but I think,

692
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,519
you know what I'm trying to say, the clarity progress, the just understanding,

693
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:42,480
you know, feet on the ground, understanding where he's at in the

694
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:47,360
situation he's in. I'm excited to
see him grow and and hey again,

695
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:52,800
there's gonna be plenty of Bones at
certain points to see skeleton key will be

696
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:57,599
Yeah, you mentioned it before that
in March, Bones was gonna be the

697
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:00,639
guy that had to be the inning
zeter that was gonna play a lot.

698
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:05,480
I still think he's gonna get plenty
of time out there and easier shots now

699
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,199
with James Harden. There are gonna
be nights where Bones is still cooking,

700
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:12,960
where he's still looking just like he
did at the beginning of the season when

701
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,639
he was getting more minutes. When
there's nights where Kawhi and Paul George can't

702
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,719
go, I expect him to play
more. I think Bones is still gonna

703
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,280
be very valuable for this team.
It sounds almost counterintuitive because you bring in

704
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,800
a guy that plays his position and
that it's used to playing thirty five minutes

705
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,920
a night. I understand that,
but I just think Bones is too good

706
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,039
to keep off the court. Like
he's played himself into a role where I

707
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:42,519
think he's allotted a certain amount of
minutes every night no matter what. And

708
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:47,199
like you said, Coach Lou loves
riding the hot hand. I'm excited.

709
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:54,679
I'm excited. I'm looking forward to
ty Lou getting to figure the shit out.

710
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,320
If there's anybody that came out right, if there's anyone that, yeah,

711
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,880
I'm just the question marks aren't as
big of an issue yet. Most

712
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,159
of I'm just excited to see everyone
together. Want Terrence Man to be healthy.

713
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:14,480
He is out of the walking boot, which is great for the ankles,

714
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:19,119
so once everyone gets coalesced, I'm
really looking forward to this. I

715
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,800
would encourage Clippernation to go back to
like this one of the sixteen games that

716
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:30,159
Kyrie Harden and Kevin Durant all actually
got to play together. I think two

717
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,199
of them ended up happening against the
Clippers. Of course, they looked unbelievable.

718
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,119
Even though they had a minimum amount
of time on the court next to

719
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:44,159
one another. It worked. It
was easy the transition between those three because

720
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:47,400
they're great basketball players that can do
everything well. Yeah, James hard and

721
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:53,199
Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, there's
some similarities there. I expect them not

722
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,880
to have to take that long or
not take that much of a learning curve

723
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:04,679
for them to figure things out on
the court because James Harden is an unreal

724
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,239
number one playmaking type ball handler that
you can have in this league. And

725
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:15,719
people think he's just a dribbler and
a score and it's not true. And

726
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,760
I think a lot of people are
gonna change their mind on James Harden that

727
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:24,079
are Clipper fans, just like they
did about Russell Westbrook. DJF Music Productions.

728
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:28,400
I think he's dj F Underscore.
Primal on Twitter has been on the

729
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,920
let's get James Harden trade. I
don't know. Since the beginning. He

730
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,199
says the staggering of the four stars
is gonna be huge, and every role

731
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,039
player is still going to be fine. He's guaranteeing it. So If this

732
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:43,679
doesn't happen, go to DJF Music
Productions. He guaranteed it. I don't

733
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,119
know what he's giving you if things
don't work. Yeah. See Also,

734
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,159
Adam, I know you're gonna hate
this. I google James Harden astrology chart

735
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:01,119
just for fun, and I'm big
on Zodia. We might have to bring

736
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:05,199
some people on the breakdown how this
how this really all interacts with the Clippers,

737
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:08,920
because I'm dying at the thought of
that being a main factor. What

738
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:13,920
is there anything else? I feel
like I just want to see him play

739
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,159
now like that. This is this
whole, Like every I'm done freaking out.

740
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:22,519
I've had reservations about this trade.
We made it, we're here now.

741
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:24,320
I just want to see everyone playing
now. They didn't have to give

742
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,079
up both their first round picks.
They only had to give up one,

743
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,559
and they didn't have to give up
Terrence Man. That is keeping the three

744
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:39,639
crazy when for this team they won
the negotiation they did, and keeping keeping

745
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:44,920
that twenty thirty pick just you know, hey, hey, it'll probably be

746
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,280
the thirtieth pick in the draft,
you know, but let's say it's not.

747
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,360
It's nice to have that still.
Yeah, And it sounds like we

748
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,639
always make deals for second round picks. We always buy them because they cost

749
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:59,159
like sixty eight thousand dollars or whatever
that weird equation. It's amazing to me

750
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,119
that the same people that say the
Clippers never draft will also want to keep

751
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:08,199
their first round picks. It's like, which is it, guys? But

752
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,920
now I am. Oh, I'm
very excited for this James Harden Uh,

753
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,039
because of the way he is shown
to play the game the last couple of

754
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:22,880
seasons with Brooklyn, with Philadelphia,
the little small adjustments he has made to

755
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:29,119
his game that I think are championship
type of adjustments you have to make later

756
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,000
in your stage of your career,
and playing with high end talent like Joe

757
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,760
el embiid k D and Kyrie.
He's also i think, in in that

758
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,920
mode where he knows he needs to
be that playmaker and defer more. And

759
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,480
that's what you're going to see.
The full potential of two P one three

760
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:52,199
will be unlocked with James Harden.
They well, what's the nickname for for

761
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,519
this four? The SoCal four?
What do we what do we calling them?

762
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,239
Ooh, that's a good question.
Uh, we'll get there, We'll

763
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,360
get there. Wait till it plays
in the court. Carlo Amennez may come

764
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,800
up with it. Yeah, that's
a good call, and you guys are

765
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,400
gonna be the Clippers play tonight.
Speaking of Carlo Amennz, you guys are

766
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,280
gonna be over an am five to
seventy pre and post game six thirty pre

767
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,840
game Clippers taking on a plucky Is
that what you called them? Orlando Magic

768
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,400
team? Yes, lucky Orlando Magic
team. They're a good team. They've

769
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,760
played all Western Conference teams to start
the seasons. I think it's very weird

770
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,039
you'll be on a five to seventy. I have to go trick or treating

771
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,159
with my nephews and twenty degree weather. But the games start later here,

772
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,480
so I should be good to go
on the radio after that one. Okay,

773
00:56:39,559 --> 00:56:45,320
so check them Offler just invite himself
on postgame. That's cool, just

774
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,440
booked himself. Yeah, let's the
double dip tonight. Check it out,

775
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,360
and then we should have full pod
with Will Updike, our other fantastic co

776
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:01,280
host here on Thursday talking maybe James
Harden's debut and how it went against the

777
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:07,519
Lakers. We got a couple of
nicknames being submitted right here. Cali Boys,

778
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,840
La four way, La La find
it. We can't make it la

779
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,159
or you know, cause I mean
it's like Palmdale, you got braino Valley.

780
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:22,440
Not technically, it's it's a bunch
of yeah, we'll figure it out,

781
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,639
all right. We I have to
go work. I'm getting emails and

782
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:31,320
whatnot. Thank you to everyone who
came through. Oscar Rosco's asking where are

783
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,679
the smiles? You're about an hour
late, buddy, go ahead and rewatch

784
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:38,280
it at the start. We're feeling
pretty solid now. We will be back

785
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:44,039
with the double dip tomorrow maybe Wednesday, and hey, as always, let's

786
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:45,800
go clips. I'm gonna click end
stream. There's gonna be a couple seconds

787
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,239
of awkwardness. So I hope everyone
has a good rest of their day.