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I know that's not you, Peter
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your country can do for you,
ask what you can do for your country.

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Mister gorbuschaw tear down this wall.
It's the Ricochet Podcast with Rob Long

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and Peter Robinson. I'm James Lylyx. The day we talked to Henry Olson,

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who knows what about elections everything.
So let za Rose's a podcast.

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It's non liquid. That's my day. You have more non liquid golds.

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They said, what is that?
I said corn? They said, we

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love that idea. You know,
that's a pretty cool thought, isn't it.

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That's a nickname in its own way. But we came up with a

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new word for a new couple of
words for Corn. All these Republican candidates

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in the primary trying to beat down
Trump, I'm still then my person ever

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beat down Trump. I'm not looking
forward to it again. Good of this

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country. Welcome everybody. It's the
Ricochet Podcast, number six hundred and seventy

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five. I'm James Lylyx. Here
in Minneapolis where it's it's zero. Oh,

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we've climbed a degree, nice round
zero. We have no degrees at

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all, We have no whatsoever.
And Peter and sunny Clement California, rob

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long and busy, exciting Gotham where
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Yikes. We'll get to that perhaps
in a second. Gentlemen, welcome,

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How was your day going? It
is not actually sunny and Clement.

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It is Clement by comparison with zero. Let's see, what's the temperature here?

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Is now fifty one degrees. That's
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with Minneapolis, but later today and
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This new thing. I never even
heard the term until last year. As

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I recall, an atmospheric river is
about to swirl its way over northern Calornia.

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This is what they used to call
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my wife heard the words atmospheric river, still new to her as well,

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and said, you you pointing to
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I had to clear out the gutters
because here in California they don't get used

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that often, and all kinds of
detritus piles up. So whatever Donald Trump

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may have done in Iowa, I
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greater. I got up the roof
and cleared the gutters. My wife's line

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was, if you fall and break
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finish you off myself. And I
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I'm ready for the atmospheric river whatever
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there, you're not the only one
who talks about who can talk, who

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has a reason to talk about the
weather. James in Minneapolis, well,

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I'm glad to hear that you're getting
this atmospheric whether dump. That's great.

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You need the rain. Everybody always
needs the rain. Farmers need the rain.

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Rob. We're not gonna talk about
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because you're all in snowing. It's
snowing really going right now. I'm looking

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at the stone. Is it really
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much. I mean it's dusting the
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unity for you to wax poetic,
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New York Manhattan in the snow,
not two days after the snow when it

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all turns to slush, but in
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I mean, it's supposed to snow
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and I love it. Everybody hates
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that moment in New York. It
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day, and then people just you
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basically stay in and then there's this
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and the city is dead quiet because
there's everything, and everybody' kind of look

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at everybody else like, Wow,
this is this really happened, This is

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really happening, And uh, there's
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this the city that's not you know
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just keep going. Just suddenly everybody
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snow and I'm not gonna Yeah,
but I mentioned real estate. This morning,

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I saw a story that Blackstock,
Blackstone or black Rock or black you

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know, one of those guys spent
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Broadway and now they're trying to dump
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million or something like that. Sunk
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at nineteen fifty point. It's got
seven percent occupancy right like a mil Yes,

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like a lot of these buildings in
New York that were built in post

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war they either need to be upgrad
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it looks like a rather banal,
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into popular culture because it used to
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York and rob of course you know
what the what their name was, right,

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Utual of New York. Yeah,
good money money of course right that

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of the company m N Y and
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you know, money is pretty good
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close. So one day there was
a songwriter who was trying to come up

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with a nonsense phrase along the lines
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and he couldn't come up with it. Looked out the window and he

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saw that sign and named it put
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James and the shon Dell's Money Money, which later comes Are you kidding,

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really, you have listen, I
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Nobody does, but that I have
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my life, Count James Lilacs to
find out that that that that that sign

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that I saw as a kid growing
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Manhattan as it is sort of around
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corner buildings in small towns, a
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ones were designed by Louis Sullivan in
the Midwest are all banks. Yeah,

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and you know, you want to
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the New York Life Building, which
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it was important for them. I
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people just to make sure that the
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idea was that, you know,
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right, you mean they have,
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Go ahead, you mean the met
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the met Life Building. Go downtown, farther downtotown on Madison Square is

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the New York New York Life.
It's the New York Life. They built

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this giant kind of uh collection of
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top with the gold triangular. It's
not a but it's a cap sort of

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you'll know you know it, James, You know, I read a Madison

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square, and it's got to be
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like you're giving them their money,
and you got to hope that you're they're

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they're taking care of it so that
they'll pay out when you're dead to your

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you know, your your descendants,
your beneficiaries, so they they they the

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accuracy is very important. And of
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that it's fine. The clock is
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it's sort of a sort of a
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the neatened up, corporate uptight culture
that you used to demand of your insurance

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company. Mm hmm, was that
the day the music dies? By the

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way, could we schedule an entire
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that James, who knows all mysteries
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take us through Miss American Pie.
Don't give us everything that it means,

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because right, Rob has just given
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But the music died the day the
New York Watch a minute there. What

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difference does it make. It's the
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Life building. I'm convinced to this. I'm absolutely good, are you.

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It's not the one with a gold
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New York Life has the gold top. The MetLife building is the one by

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Napoleon run that is it's got it
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nineteen something or other, and it's
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edition that was supposed to be this
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gorgeous, amazing, sixty story building. It's where it's where Griffin Dunn was

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dumped off at the end of after
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convinced of it. We're gonna have
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now, the met Life building is
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But that's but it's not right.
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and then it was it's something else. Now it's got some New York

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Life has a kind of conical golden
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Square. But I don't associate a
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has the big clock. That's the
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Yorker here? How can I conjure
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googled it because I want to make
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me tall. It's on you know, the bottom of Madison Avenue. It

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has a gold top, and it
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It does have a clock tower.
I think maybe it's not that building,

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but it's it's the clock tower.
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one Madison Avenue. I just looked
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if that's what you're thinking about one
Madison. We can defer this to our

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listeners they for show in the comments
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correct us anyway. News of the
World. But excuse me, excuse me,

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James, you're right, Oh okay, good. I didn't want to

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lose So wait a minute, which
building is If we're clearing up now,

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it's cleared up, because it's not
cleared up until Robinson understands. Which where's

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the clock you're talking about? The
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which is not there anymore. Which
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No, that forget that part.
That's that's the that's a different thing now.

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That is that is the MetLife tower. That is the met Life building

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now. But the old days,
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Square, just up the street on
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old met Life Life is the New
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the accurate, the the inaccurate by
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a life insurance company felt the need
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they wanted to you know, project
button duckness. And now they're like,

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yeah, we don't care. No, I would rather lose that greater,

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more important philosophical point in pursuit of
a narrow, anal retentive correction on the

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name of the building. Rob your
you know what I mean it actually,

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but you'd also also rather have your
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right all the time. Yes,
you would? You would? You do

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one thing is how you do everything? As they say, and everybody knew

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that building too, because he was
on the back of these pamphlets, and

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they printed these pamphlets by the billions, and they were all about infections,

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how to stop them at home,
vitamins, the importance of sunshine moving your

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bowels, and they would have and
these things would be passed by the agent,

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and they would all end up in
the antique stores and in the places

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and drawers all across America. But
everybody knew that building, so yes,

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it was important. It was a
producer. Perry just sends a note saying

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that the man who knows more about
American politics than James knows about the history

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of New York architecture, and that's
saying something is here. Well, then

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then I should shut up and we
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Henry. We welcome to podcast.
Andry Olsen Senior Fellow of the Ethics

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and Public Policy Center. He's the
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author of The Four Faces of the
Republican Party, and he's the host of

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Beyond the Polls, the Ricochet Audio
Networks election podcast. Henry Welcome. Hello,

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Hey, Henry. Go on,
Peter, Could I start with the

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two propositions for you Henry, I'm
very seldom am prepared for anything in my

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life, but I so revere you
and your encyclopedic knowledge of American politics that

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I thought this through. And I
have two propositions, and if you agree

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with both of them, then all
of us can stop talking right now and

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go get a beer and a cigarette
and start our weekends. Proposition number one,

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it's over. Donald Trump has the
Republican nomination. Proposition number two,

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even when that man was at his
most popular, when he was president,

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when the economy was growing before COVID
struck, he never broke fifty percent.

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His ceiling nationally is forty six forty
seven percent. So the second proposition is

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indictments, Our convictions are going to
start coming down. His ceiling is going

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to drop to forty one forty two. He will lose the presidency. Both

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of those things are true, and
we know them already. Henry, Okay,

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Proposition one ninety five percent true.
I think it is okay. There's

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a five percent chance that Nikki Haley
can come through. Ron DeSantis is basically

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a dead man walking. He'll it
should be out before South Carolina unless he

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wants to go heavily into debt which
I doubt he wants to. Yeah,

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Nicky Haley's chance basically depends on an
unprecedented mobilization of non Republican voters. And

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the argument for that is, look
what happened in Georgia in twenty twenty two.

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All the polls said that Brian Kemp, who Donald Trump was trying to

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take out, would win by twenty
to thirty points. He won by fifty

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two. All the polls that Brad
Raffensburger would be forceding to a runoff.

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He won over a majority. Why
because turnout had traditionally been in the low

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six hundred thousands, and turnout was
one point two million. Wow. The

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Poles missed half of the electorate.
So if Nicky Haley can excite people,

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or Donald trump repulsion can incite people, there are enough states where there's no

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partisan registration or where independents can vote, like in New Hampshire, that one

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can imagine the polls being off.
But that's a very slum chance. I

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can't say it's zero, but it's
a very slum chance. Nikki Haley's campaign

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and Rond De Santis's campaign, candidates
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moment in my experience. But they're
professionals attached to both campaigns. They know

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the percentages you just stated. What's
going on? Ron De Santis is trying

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to run out the clock in an
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eight. Nikki Haley is running for
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Do you suppose to the professionals in
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professionals are still involved with the Ronde
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Jeff Route. But I do think
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and it would be very hard for
somebody who finished second to say, actually,

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the candidate who finished third has a
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I think what's going to happen is
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or less in New Hampshire, then
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And again it's a caucus, it's
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not on the ballot because Nevada has
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the Republicans want to have a caucus, and so there's going to be a

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primary on Tuesday that won't award any
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there, but the Republicans said,
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chose to file for the primary,
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to go for the delegates. So
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DeSantis has his one on one with
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and so what is Rond? But
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eighth. Where is Ronde Santas spending
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February twenty four He's not actually campaigning
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So what happens if he loses by
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he loses in Nevada by forty points, You think he's going to have any

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money to go on in South Carolina
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he's going to be having any bull
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out between Nevada and South Carolina.
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were a professional advising to Santas,
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attack Donald Trump. That's your chance. It's slim, but at least it's

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logical. What he's doing right now
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way to get out of the race. And I wind it down. You

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know, Haley, I think has
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Is she running to be Trump's vice
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time seeing Trump selecting her for a
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zero that there's elements of her that
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likes feisteeing this so well. She
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She doesn't bring back in suburban women
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at least be open to a Republican
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but who look at Donald Trump and
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edges. Hal Well, the question
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of for him. The question is
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You know that, you know I
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I was making an argument in private
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nineteen that Trump should dump Pence and
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said, what's your problem? Or
January twenty twenty, I said, what's

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your What's Trump's problem? Trump's problems
he pursuved as a racist and a sexist.

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How does he solve the problem?
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That got back to the Pence people, and they basically sent word that

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it would be nice that I not
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I continue to talk about it because
I thought it was true. My

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point is that that was when he
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sixth, the argument for Haley is
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Haley is, can you imagine Donald
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vice president, when the foot,
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would tell the president no. I
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that, And I don't see how
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that Nicky Haley would say yes,
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I don't think Haley's going to be
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too, I don't agree with that. That's you don't. No, I

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do not. And the reason why
is this is not a vote on Donald

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Trump. This is a vote between
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If this were a referendum on Donald
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to twenty points. If this were
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lose by fifteen to twenty points.
The problem is they'll be facing each other,

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and this is the what happens when
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of loathed politicians, Well, hilarity
ensues. This is twenty sixteen all over

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again. And what we know about
twenty sixteen is that the erase was decided

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by the eighteen percent of people who
didn't like either candidate that they broke late

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and they went back to the party
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know is that somewhere around twenty percent
of Americans don't like Biden and Trump,

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and these are the people who are
telling only twenty percent don't like both of

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them. That's the thing is that
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Forty two percent of Americans like Donald
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where the overlap who I don't like
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pretty low. Got seventy five to
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the polls, like one of them, and you tend not to have people.

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In twenty sixteen, there were two
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and Donald Trump. And I always
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meet who these people are. I
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virtually every sub demographic and American politics. I have never met one of those

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two percent. It was Richard Epstein, who right, it is probably one

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percent who approve of Biden and like
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there are five or six percent of
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you know that's where you get twenty
twenty two percent who overlap don't like both

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of them. And these are the
people who are saying, when they're given

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a chance, oh, I'll vote
for Cornell West, I'll vote for Robbie

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Kennedy, I'll vote for Jill Stein. And what happens is we know from

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just like in twenty sixteen, Gary
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eleven percent of the polls Jill Stein
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The closer you get to election day, the more of these people,

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just like with John Anderson in nineteen
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percent of the polls. That was
a I don't like Carter and I'm scared

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of Raaga. The closer you get
to election day, people say, got

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to pick between them? To pick
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them. Well, with Ronald Reagan, we know that it was the last

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debate six or seven days before the
election. The people who were undecided said,

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Okay, I'm going to go for
Reagan. What we know is that

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it was literally the last weekend.
And this is where I know this demographic

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very well, because I literally know
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Did they decide on Saturday? Oh
my god, I can't throw my vote

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away. I've got to stop Hillary
Clinton. Yes, did they decide in

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the car on the way to the
polling place? Did they decide in the

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polling booth? I can't do.
Gary Johnson, Yes, I know all

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of these people. This was going
to happen again. And that's why I

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can't agree with you, is that
the other thing is I'm not convinced trumb

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will be convicted that. You know, Let's imagine a world where the first

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case that comes up is the case
in the Southern District of Florida. The

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jury pool, if you simply drew
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the is the documents cases. Okay, forget. Here's the thing is this

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is Trump. Forget the evidence.
Okay, unless you're going you know,

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my argument is that if you want
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or what you should do is say, this is the most unusual case in

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history, and what we have to
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or against Trump, to say,
if you voted in the presidential election,

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you cannot be on the journey because
what we know is that if you voted

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in the presidential election, you have
extremely wrong feelings one way or another.

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They're not going to do that,
you know. I think they should take,

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like I said, take anyone who
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the jury. Maybe you'll get a
fair trial. Given that you won't.

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All you need is one one Trump
loyalist to say no way, no how

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political witch hunt. He or she
keeps quiet enough to get through and you

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get a miss trial if it's a
mistrial rather than a conviction. Do you

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think that helps Trump? Kh So, Jack Smith, It's one thing to

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get indictments out of a grand jury
seated in Washington, d C. It

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is an entirely different matter to get
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And this is why he wants the
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what's the jury pool in DC?
It's nineteen to one from Biden, right,

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This is why Jacksonmith wants. That's
why Jacksonith Harry Harry, Harry.

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We gotta go, We gotta go, we gotta go. Okay, So,

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Henry, I have I have.
I'm just gonna lob two more questions

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and you can ignore them, honestly, because I'm getting such dirty looks from

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Rob and James because they oh,
no, all right, they they love

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you as much as I do,
and I know they want they have questions.

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But I have two more questions,
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them is going to involve a very
I'll try to keep it extremely brief.

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Story Story number one is Donald Trump's
victory speech after Iowa, I have to

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confess I had no intention of watching
all of this, but I sat there

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and watched it. Kind of entrance
because Donald Trump he spoke for about twenty

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minutes. He spent the first ten
minutes thanking individuals by name, and the

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final ten minutes talking about bringing the
country together, congratulating Ron De Santis and

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Nikki Haley on good campaign. And
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he's become a rational and working politician. This is what you do if you

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want to win. You thank people
by name, you make them feel wonderful,

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you give them their glowing moment in
the spotlight, and then you swivel,

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swivel and talk about your big It
was as if he's decided he wishes

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to become president of the United States. Not an act of vengeance in the

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campaign, but a campaign to win
and enact an agenda. I could be

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totally mistaken, but I thought to
myself, if this meant, if this

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Trump is the Trump we see between
now and November, this forty seven percent

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ceiling is a relic of the past. He could break fifty percent. Item

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one, Item two. A young
friend of mine invited me to a fundraiser

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for Robert Kennedy Junior. I went
somewhat with gritted teeth, and well,

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I'll just go to observe. He's
very impressive, Henry. He worked the

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entire It wasn't a big room.
It was perhaps sixty people. He spoke

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to every person. He posed for
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then spent ninety minutes on his feet, taking one question after another.

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You had the feeling that he wasn't
doing any spin, that the answers were

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fresh. He spoke, he didn't
force them into the conversation, but he

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spoke from time to time. My
father did this, when my uncle did

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that, and even I, who
believe me, I'm no Kennedy man,

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began to feel the mystic chords of
memory and he's he was uncategorizable. He

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talked about housing projects for the poor, and then he talked about inventing some

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kind of new tea bill which is
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So we have a vast new social
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I mean, he was just uncategorizable
left to right, and I thought to

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myself, oh my goodness. The
net effect is this is an honest man,

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and he feels both fresh and deeply
embedded in American history. This guy

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could take off, especially with younger
voters. Okay, trumpet Kennedy. I

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will now not say another word.
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he has shown this these flashes before. What always happens is that he'll give

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a great speech, you know,
like in the Warsaw speech or his acceptance

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Beach or his victory speech in twenty
sixteen was conciliatory and nice, and then

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within forty eight hours he reverts to
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he doing in New Hampshire. He's
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and a globalist and all of that
stuff. I agree with you. If

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Donald Trump could run a grown up
campaign, Donald Trump would have won reelection

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and he could win election more easily. Again, the question is can he

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sustain this? And you know,
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the second question. I think America
in theory would like a part libreal,

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part conservative fresh voice. I think
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He's now become a captive of his
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that's not what he was originally.
The question is can Bobby Kennedy Junior do

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that right now, All I can
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from people who dislike both candidates.
What he has to start doing is becoming

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the preferred candidate of people who like
one or both of those candidates. Will

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say, I like Trump, but
I prefer Bobby. I like Biden,

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but I prefer Bobby. Now,
if I start to see that, then

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I'll think that maybe he can win. And it may very well be that

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your experience is indicative of that,
that he'll be able to raise enough money

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to get on the ballots. I
suspect he will, that he'll be able

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to be savvy enough to get some
media attention. You know, the media

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will want to make this a two
person race. Both conservative media and the

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mainstream media will want to do it. But local media will cover him.

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And that's something. So we'll see. I'm not hearing a lot of Dean

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Phillips excitement, and so I'm wondering
if you're just waiting to spring this spoiler

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in us, because this is what
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It has bil I can and support. Now, yes he does. As

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a matter of fact, is our
paper reported he dropped the DEI part of

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his platform and replaced with some other
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After acting through a million but he
had he had an event in which nobody

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came. Nobody came. He just
sort of sat there on the bit of

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a truck and dealt with the reporters
and nobody else. So he's dead in

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the water, do you think,
yeah, yeah, the thing is Dean

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Phillips. What Dean Phillips is is
the person you vote for when you don't

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think when you're a Democrat and you
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for me, the thing that I'm
looking for is not what does Dean Phillips

407
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gip? Question is what does Joe
Biden get as a writing candidate. What

408
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:48,559
we know is that he in no
matter where you pull, he's not pulling

409
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:56,000
much above seventy percent. Now,
when Obama ran unopposed in a serious way,

410
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he was getting eighty eight ninety percent. He goud dip below that some

411
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areas that were you know, blue
collar southern places like West Virginia or Oklahoma

412
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that were quickly you know, the
people who registered Democrats were quickly leaving the

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party. But other than that,
he got eighty five eighty eight ninety two

414
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percent. You know, Trump got
ninety percent plus, George W. Bush

415
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:27,039
got ninety percent plus. If Joe
Biden doesn't break sixty seven percent against Phillips,

416
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,839
Marian Williamson and the host of Nobody's
who paid two hundred dollars to have

417
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,279
their name listed on the New Hampshire
ballot, which you can do, so

418
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:37,759
they'll be like a list of Nobody's. Maybe Vermin Supreme, the guy with

419
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the right. Hey, wait,
is it too late? It's only two

420
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:47,440
hundred bucks. It's like nothing to
get on the New Hampshire ballot. I

421
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,480
want to write and rob let's get
him on the Sorry, Henry, go

422
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,279
ahead. Have you ever have you
ever met Vermin Supreme? By the way,

423
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:57,000
no, my fiance, Yes,
he's quite charming and the yeah yeah,

424
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:02,039
David Verlin Supreme sounds like some of
the droppings I found on the roof

425
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,640
yesterday when I was clearing the gutters. But we won't, all right,

426
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:11,799
yeah, so yeah. What we
know is that candidates who only win bare

427
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:18,559
majorities, like George Herbert Walker Bush
against Pat Buchanan, that is a sign

428
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,039
that they are having problems. Richard
Nixon won seventy percent in his reelect in

429
00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:30,039
nineteen seventy two against two semi serious
opponents, and that obviously didn't cause him

430
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:34,279
a problem. If Biden dips below
that against Dean Phillips and Marian Williamson as

431
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,000
a write in candidate in New Hampshire, that is going to be evidence that

432
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:41,440
there is a distinct lack of enthusiasm
for Joe Biden. And if it's then

433
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,200
followed up with substandard performances in Michigan
and South Carolina, I think the writing

434
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,960
is on the wall, which is
to say, not that Biden will not

435
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,559
be the nominee, only Joe Biden
can take himself out of the race at

436
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,519
this point, given how you have
to file months in advances. Isn't nineteen

437
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:02,880
sixty eight where you can where Bobby
Kennedy's dad can get in the race in

438
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,599
the middle of March and be serious. Knentended you can't do that anymore.

439
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:14,839
But it would be a sign that
Biden would be a seriously weak candidate,

440
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:16,920
even against a week in Donald Trump. And that's what I'm looking for in

441
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,799
New Hampshire. On the Democratic side
is does Biden break two thirds of the

442
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,720
vot wait Henry So there's no way
for the party. Let's suppose that on

443
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:34,680
Wednesday morning he's fallen below two thirds
exactly, that it's a catastrophe for Biden.

444
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Even then, Biden alone, or
doctor Jill perhaps, who could talk

445
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,519
him into it, Biden alone can
remove himself as nominee. Even then,

446
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,960
there's no way for the party.
There aren't elders in the party, there's

447
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,640
not enough structure. There's nobody to
walk to whisper in his ear, Joe,

448
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,160
it's time. In other words,
there's no mechanism for getting rid of

449
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,680
this guy. Well, but it's
the things. There are people whill whisper

450
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,319
in his ear, but he has
to make the decision. That thing is

451
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,720
that the Democratic Party, like the
Republican Party following the McGovern Frasier committee,

452
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:10,839
has bound its hands. There are
no longer unallocated, unmitted delegates, even

453
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,960
the super delegates. This is what
Bernie forced through after twenty sixteen. Even

454
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,960
the super delegates on the Democratic side
are bound to the results of the primary.

455
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,599
So you have to look and say, Okay, how many primaries have

456
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,680
the filing deadlines passed on? Well, pretty much all of them that vote

457
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:36,759
before April, if not some of
the ones in April, so you can't

458
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:39,440
get on the ballot. Could you
mount a write in campaign? Well,

459
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:45,079
good luck trying to mount a national
write in campaign. My point is that

460
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,480
the convention selects, and the convention
is bound to the primaries, and Biden's

461
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:54,000
the only serious candidate. So if
Biden drops out, then all of those

462
00:33:54,039 --> 00:34:00,240
delegates become unbound, and then you
can do it. But if by and

463
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:04,839
says no way, no how I'm
going to run, than the Democratic Party

464
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,280
rules basically tie the party, uh, like an anchor or. Biden is

465
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,679
the answer the ankles of the party, and the same is Trump the Democrats

466
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,960
of the Republicans. Let's say,
you know, let's say, uh,

467
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,039
Biden. You know, let's say
Trump is the nominate, you know,

468
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,280
gets the delegates and so forth,
and then in June something even worse comes

469
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:31,679
out that that is, finally is
the thing that aggravates Republicans. I don't

470
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:37,440
do anything about it. You know, you'd have to basically have a coup

471
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,960
against the rules, And good luck
trying to win an election and coup against

472
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,679
the rules. Okay, so I
guess what I'm saying a bunch of questions.

473
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,559
I was just softening you up.
Henry now, Yeah, Peter,

474
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:59,599
Peter already broach this topic right There's
Right around now is the time that people

475
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,480
start to think, Okay, it
might be this, it might be Biden

476
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,239
versus Trump, but what are the
more fun, interesting things that could happen

477
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,960
right usually right around now in a
normal year, which we're never gonna have

478
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,280
again, which we only had a
few of them anyway, but since twenty

479
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,400
sixteen they seem to be impossible.
Right around now, he were going,

480
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,679
Hey, you know what's gonna happen. I think it's going to be a

481
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:24,840
Broker convention. That's what people kept
saying. Bro never happened. Right around

482
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,880
now, people say, yeah,
no, Biden's could stay in the race

483
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,559
until after the convention and which point
he can be replaced to blah blah blah

484
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:38,039
blah. Is any of that gonna
happen? I mean, is any of

485
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:45,239
that or any of these fantasies between
now and November whatever it is twenty twenty

486
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,079
four gonna happen? I mean,
isn't it? Don't mean this a script.

487
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,639
He doesn't like it. He's asking
you for real, I'm just saying,

488
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:52,960
like this this is now what people
like everyone, you know, they

489
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,599
to get your op ed place to
the New York Times. Here's a scenario,

490
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,920
and then you spin out this very
complicated mouse trap of it could happen?

491
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:07,440
Is that gonna happen? Any of
that stuff. It's almost certain not

492
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:12,039
to happen, but because there's such
high impact to you have to it gets

493
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:16,159
possible. Look Joe Biden's job approval
rating as of yesterday morning, and the

494
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:22,360
average was thirty nine point eight percent. Historically, a candidate will get one

495
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:29,559
percent or less more than his final
job approval rating. So what that means

496
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,079
is that Joe Biden would get forty
one percent of the vote if the election

497
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:37,440
were held yesterday. Okay, I
assure you that if Donald Trump has become

498
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:44,440
the nominee in mid July and Joe
Biden's job approval rating is at thirty nine

499
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,840
percent, and every pool has him
trailing Trump. And remember, because of

500
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,039
the Electoral College, all Trump has
to do is lose the popular vote by

501
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:59,119
four points or less and he is
president. So if he's winning the popular

502
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:04,960
vote, that's like total gravy.
Okay. So if I'm a Democrat and

503
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:09,440
I'm looking and I say we meet
in four weeks and this guy is eighty

504
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,639
one years old. Right, people
don't care about what's going on. They've

505
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:20,239
made their decision on him. Would
I like be putting every pressure possible to

506
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,599
have Joe Biden say, please don't
put my name in nomination. I've decided

507
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,119
not to run again, there by
freeing up the degas. I spoke to

508
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,119
my doctors and blah blah blah.
Yeah, do I think it will happen?

509
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,280
No? Do I think it could
happen. Should an analyst look at

510
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:42,000
low probability high impact scenarios? Yes, So it's worth discussing with the caveat

511
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:47,440
that this is the two and a
half percent happening changes everything narrative with the

512
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,920
emphasis on two and a half,
Right, I think it's less likely that

513
00:37:52,039 --> 00:38:00,840
Biden drops out after he's nominated to
be replaced by the National Committee because with

514
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,760
mail voting, it's very hard.
You know. There they meet at the

515
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:12,199
end of August, Secretaries of state
will start finalizing ballots in September. Wow,

516
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,719
be mailed out in late September or
early October. Okay, it's just

517
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:22,159
you theoretically could do it. But
if you're gonna play that scenario, play

518
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,599
it out before the convention. Now, of course, if by your message

519
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,840
you got Labor Day, you can't
help it. Your message to to Gavin

520
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Newsom is don't hold your breath.
I think Gavin Newsom has not been holding

521
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,760
his breath all along. But I
don't think Gavin Newsom would be the nominator.

522
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,320
Now who would would be? Gret
Who do you think? So my

523
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:46,719
idea? I know we just said
this is gonna happen. Yeah, my

524
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,599
Democrat strategy had on. I think, who do I want to be my

525
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,679
ticket if it's not Biden Harris?
And my answer is Whitner, Warmer,

526
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:04,280
Whitmer, Warnert. Why two swing
states, white woman, black man.

527
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,360
You have a huge problem with black
enthusiasm and support. Warnock, unlike Harris,

528
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:19,440
energizes blacks, and Whitmer is the
voice of the suburban progressive Democratic woman

529
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,079
but isn't so out there like Elizabeth
Warren. So thank you, Governor of

530
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:29,079
California. I really don't want to
have to defend feces in San Francisco.

531
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,440
All right, all right, So
my next question is this, These are

532
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,840
Republicans are kind of like their hands
are tied, right, the guys winning

533
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:50,079
primaries. He's not a fresh face, he was president. Everybody knows what

534
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:52,840
the second term of Donald Trump's going
to be like except for baby Peter,

535
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,760
who keeps hoping that one day he's
going to be visited by three ghosts at

536
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,719
night. But he is who he
is. That's just the way. He's

537
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,239
an eighty year old man, and
he's got, you know, four hundred

538
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,400
pound eight year old man. He's
not going to change right, better or

539
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,440
worse. People who like him liking, people who hate him hate him,

540
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:12,840
those things aren't going to change.
Aren't there Democrats thinking themselves? Or I

541
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,679
should say it the other way.
The theory has been the Democrats are desperate

542
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,960
for Donald Trump to be the Republican
nominee because then you know we're in.

543
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:29,320
Then that's what they are Democrats really
thinking that? Do they really think that

544
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:35,880
this is going to be a romp
for their candidate if Trump is the nominee

545
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,519
on the other side, Now,
at this point, I think it's pretty

546
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:44,400
clear they don't think that. I
think when they were I think they did

547
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:49,440
think that a year ago. But
I think it's pretty clear that Democrats no

548
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,880
longer think that he is a certain
loser. I think they think they want

549
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,719
to believe that people will change their
minds. Go back to and they may

550
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,320
be right. We'll go back to
well, I don't like Biden, not

551
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,519
Trump, but no, I don't
think they're pining for Trump when I think

552
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:15,360
right now they would prefer DeSantis because
DeSantis has fizzled as in a major way,

553
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,719
and they say, gee, we
get to run all the policies things

554
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,320
against the Santas and he's a dress
and he's a damp squib as a candidate,

555
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:24,000
so you know, give give me
more some of that rgdes right,

556
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:27,880
but they're not going to get to
Santas. They're going to get Haley or

557
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,760
Trump, so they're probably memos.
I clearly rather have Trump because Haley is

558
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,320
a non offensive person who can be
the receptacle for Biden discontent. So okay,

559
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,880
to more on I could give back. So I so I imagine there

560
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:50,800
are meetings and memos which I desperately
want to read by very smart people,

561
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,719
Democrats, democratic strategies, smart people. I'm smart saying emphatically a year ago,

562
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,679
we need to neutralize Ron decent is
he's the one we should be worried

563
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:06,039
about, and we need to prop
up Donald Trump. And they were utterly

564
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,960
wrong. And I would love to
know how much money was spent to generate

565
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,480
all those pages saying exactly the opposite. And do you think this kind of

566
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,599
political malpractice will ever be punished on
either side? Because you and I both

567
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,679
know there are those memos, we
could find that that paper exists. Well,

568
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,480
it was quite clear from what you're
seeing is that people on the Democratic

569
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,920
side feared DeSantis, which is why
you start to see hit piece after hit

570
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,880
piece after hit piece. And the
question is they may have had their intended

571
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
to fact, you know, which
is say he just used to run ahead

572
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,599
of Donald Trump against Joe Biden.
Now he runs behind. It may very

573
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:46,239
well be because of that, So
I wouldn't say it's more political malpractice,

574
00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:52,760
but for that, maybe Ron DeSantis
is doing better against Donald Trump. But

575
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:58,960
for that, maybe he's better in
the matchups for Biden. What's happened is

576
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,840
that Trump has shown it energy and
a verve right that. Frankly, when

577
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:08,039
you watch that announcement speech in November
twenty twenty two or December whenever it is

578
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,039
that he formally got in the race, this guy looked like he was going

579
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:17,400
through the motions, you know.
This guy looked like an aging rocker who

580
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,760
had alady gotten the words he doesn't
look that way anymore. Yeah, so

581
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:28,239
when you're making these decisions, you're
making these decisions against the backrup of what

582
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,360
you can say, who's got the
hardest job for November? But Bush Biden

583
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:38,880
v. Trump Trump seems to be
his goal is to say, everything's crappy.

584
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:43,440
This guy did it. Everything was
great when I under me. Forget

585
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,360
about COVID, forget about all these
other mistakes I made, but it was

586
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:52,159
all great. I'm going to restore
the greatness that I brought. So you

587
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,679
got to it's a referendum on Biden, and Biden said, are you kidding

588
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:00,440
me? This guy's insane, He's
erratic and dangerous. We bear he got

589
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,519
out of the Trump era. Remember
how terrible that was. Who's got it

590
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,559
worse? I'm not sure, but
neither of them. You know, the

591
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:16,920
thing is that both of them should
not be president. But one of them

592
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,480
wou absent something unusual. You know, again, seventy seventy to eighty one

593
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:27,639
year old man who knows what's going
on inside their bodies or in their inside

594
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:32,960
their heads. But this is no
different than Clinton. Trump. Neither of

595
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,280
those people should have been present,
but one of them had to be.

596
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:43,159
Hence the sweet meteor of death bumper
stickers, right, is it coming back?

597
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,760
Yeah? Oh absolutely, you know
it's kind of yeah. I'm almost

598
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,679
waiting for the one. You know, don't blame me, I voted for

599
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Smad. Now this is definitely for
many people, the Kang versus Codo selection

600
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:04,199
to drump right twirling, twirling into
the future. Henry. Last question here,

601
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,239
and that has to do with what
happened to this with DeSantis, Because

602
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:13,239
here's a guy who has all the
policies that the people who support Donald Trump

603
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,639
would generally like. He doesn't ever
a record of hanging a metal around Fauci's

604
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,760
neck. People who don't like the
vaccine, well, Ron DeSantis does not

605
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,119
brag about Operation Warp Speed. People
want the schools open. People wanted society

606
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:30,480
all of the things that supposedly we
want, including an ability to rhetorically and

607
00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:37,119
practically and legislatively go up against a
great number of institutions and ideas that supposedly

608
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:42,760
the right does not want implemented or
strengthened. Here's the guy, but he

609
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,199
didn't want him. They wanted this
guy over here, this protein malleable figure

610
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,360
into whom they can read a whole
bunch of other stuff. Was Desantus doomed

611
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,639
for the start, or simply because
of the fact that Trump was in it,

612
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:59,519
or was there something about his personality
or his boots or something that just

613
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,480
people didn't cotton tune because I thought
he was. I thought he was.

614
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:08,119
I thought I'm mystified. But you
know, there's never a mono direction.

615
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,079
There's never a mono causal explanation for
any time. But what I would say

616
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,840
is that the DeSantis theory of victory
was I'm going to be the maga candidate

617
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,400
who wins, and that's going to
convince people who like Trump to back me.

618
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:32,679
And Trump decided to say, you're
not maga. M Can you remember

619
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:40,480
Ron de Santis responding to those attacks. Nikki Haley is taking it getting incoming

620
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,440
in New Hampshire and she's tweeting and
refuting that in real time. I cannot

621
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:53,480
remember a single time where Ron DeSantis
defended himself. I cannot remember until the

622
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:59,760
end when Ron de Santis started actually
contrasting himself with Trump. The whole theory

623
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,280
of the case had to be one
of two things. You either have to

624
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,960
go like a typical attack on an
incumbent, which is drive the negatives up,

625
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,039
which means attack, attack, attack, or you have to go and

626
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,519
say there's going to be a choice
between two positives. You're gonna like Trump,

627
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,320
but you have to prefer me.
That requires you to make the argument.

628
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:23,000
DeSantis didn't either. If Donald Trump
died the day before the Iowa caucus,

629
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,199
I think Rond de Santis would have
won because I think a lot of

630
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,639
people say, yeah, I like
you, I can accept you, but

631
00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:34,840
they love Trump. They never got
an argument from DeSantis why they should prefer

632
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,159
him over Trump, and they never
got you know, you're saying, well,

633
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,760
Trump's just as malieable guy, I
blame him for COVID. Did you

634
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,920
ever hear Donald or did Ron DeSantis
ever devote a speech to saying let me

635
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:52,239
tell you why Donald Trump should not
be president. He talked about I was

636
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,800
better, you know, I beat
Fauci and he let other people try and

637
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,519
remember, oh, well, who's
behind you must have been Drump. Now

638
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:05,239
you have to beat somebody over the
head with a tub bay for you know,

639
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,719
Napoleon said, if you mean to
take Vienna, take Vienna, Vienna

640
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:15,159
to take Vienna, and he went
to Salzburn. Yeah, that's pretty well,

641
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,119
you know what we might have you
on a couple more times before the

642
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,840
election actually comes. Thank you for
having me on, and I hope your

643
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,400
listeners can find me on my own
podcast, Beyondyes with which is also through

644
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,599
Ricochet Yes Beyond the Polls, Yeah, on the Ricochet network. This is

645
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:40,639
the I hope something really crazy and
nutty happens. Just we are now hoping

646
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:44,960
for an act of God. Yeah, just because it'll be more interesting.

647
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,639
But that podcast is riveting and it
really answers all the questions you need.

648
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,360
Hey, Henry, thank you,
thank you very much, Thank you,

649
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,199
sir, bye bye. So that
is just one of the podcasts you can

650
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:59,280
find in the Ricochet Audio network,
by the way, and there's a whole

651
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,000
bunch of stuff just us. You
know. My own diner is starting up

652
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:06,920
again. Yeah, I did the
third episode this week in the loving it,

653
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,840
having a lot of fun. We're
going to figure out a way to

654
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,840
get calls in so it can be
like an actual live radio that'd which would

655
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,159
be fun. I'll call him under
an alias. I think I might.

656
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:20,000
I think I might recognize either of
you if you can. If you call

657
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:23,639
it, let's use that fancy voice
distorting software that they have, amazing software

658
00:49:23,679 --> 00:49:27,159
they have these days, though,
they can take the speech of somebody who

659
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,840
was speaking in another language using that
person's voice converted to English, which is

660
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,480
great. Which gave you the opportunity
to hear the Argentinian fellow that that wild

661
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:43,119
haired libertarian Javier Midier, I can
never pronounce his name correctly. Who's in

662
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:45,559
Davos? Who put the wood to
him? You had him on the ground,

663
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,840
was giving him a business. There
are a couple of speeches that I

664
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:58,800
heard where people actually addressed the the
grandees and uh and and cast and dared

665
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,960
to break their bulls to tell them
that what they believe was not the case.

666
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,599
And Javier just you know, did
you guys read the speech? He's

667
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:08,599
just he saw excerpts of it.
Read it here is practically porn. I

668
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:13,159
was like, wow, I got
it. Not only I read it,

669
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,440
James, but I had it forward
to me on all sorts of group chats.

670
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,199
I'm on many of them, not
even political. Just have you seen

671
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:27,360
this guy the picture of him flying
coach on Twitter? He posted a picture

672
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,079
of him flying coach. This is
what the capital is doing flying coach at

673
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:36,119
Davos. And meanwhile, I just
got out of my head. John Carey

674
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:42,920
name him some socialists flying private Venezuelan
caught the crat or so, yeah,

675
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,159
that's right away. Who cares about
climate change more? Yeah? Oh,

676
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,360
this guy is just too good.
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

677
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,920
Apparently he's nuts, but I can
handle nuts. What what other shoe?

678
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,199
What do you mean you mean he's
he seems too good to be true.

679
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,639
He's got a cloned dog named after
dogs. I think he has half

680
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:06,000
a dozen of them. Sometimes one
is a clone named after Murray Rotbark.

681
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,400
Yes, yes, be one of
those transhumanists. You find out that he's

682
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,880
got a chip in the back of
his head, which you regularly like that,

683
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,039
But I mean, yeah, when
you talk about pure mainlining Heroin Portant.

684
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:20,199
This is how we have reached the
point where with different names or forms,

685
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,400
whether they openly declare themselves as communists, fascists, Nazis, socialists,

686
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:30,360
social democrats, national socialists, Christian
democrats, Kanesians, Neo Kansians, progressives,

687
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,880
populist nationalists, or globalists, in
the end, there are no substantive

688
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,280
differences. I just like it's the
state that's the problem. It's the state,

689
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,559
and everybody who exalts the state is
leading towards the model that has denied

690
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,960
people to progress, that open markets, and yeah, it's just I mean,

691
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:52,079
it's fantastic, But I'm sure at
some point he's just going to turn

692
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,760
into a jack booted fat that he's
going to be portrayed as the jackboot And

693
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,000
that's what I love about political discourse
today is that the more you argue for

694
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,039
for local and freedom from the boots, the more you are associated with brown

695
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,360
shirts who who march through cities and
burned books. Just it just it just

696
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,800
absolutely fascinates me. So good for
him. Also in the news today before

697
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,960
we leave, in the next three
minutes, so we seem to have a

698
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,400
rash of bricked teslas around the world, at least in the United States and

699
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,679
cold places where people are waking up
to the fact that that maybe EV's anything

700
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,199
relying on a battery doesn't do well
in sub zero temperatures. Germany, it

701
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,920
turns out, is also backing off
some of its EV consumption. Ford I

702
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:40,360
think, is decreasing consumption, decreasing
production of its evs because no one wants.

703
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,559
In general, there are always going
to be few in niche people who'd

704
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:45,960
like to wear around with a little
jets and sound that they make that I

705
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:52,599
get it. That's fine. I
can see what people need want. Our

706
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,239
own friend Bjorn Lamberg tweeted out the
other day that they're you know, twenty

707
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,119
fifty something like eighty five percent of
the people are still going to want a

708
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:04,199
gas powered car. And it's right, I mean they but it's actually it's

709
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,400
it's a classic case of the environmentalists
of the EVY supporters getting them, not

710
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:15,480
taking the win. But the consumers
want a hybrid, they want and the

711
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:19,440
hybrids exist, and there was the
the crackpot environmentally said, well, the

712
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,880
hybrid is that's not going to solve
the problem. But in fact the consumers

713
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,199
think, no, no, hybrid's
perfect for me. So I know it

714
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:28,320
can start. I know I can
if I forget to charge it or doesn't

715
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,440
charge it's hard to find a charger. I know it will work. My

716
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:35,159
gas consumption goes down by seventy five
or eighty percent, and I'm happy.

717
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,679
And only the crackpots, only the
zealots, think no, we can have

718
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,840
a B plus a minus solution.
You must do everything the way we insist

719
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,119
that you do it. And it's
just shocking to me that it's a that

720
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,559
that once again. I mean not
to sound like my my glorious political hero,

721
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:57,440
the President of Argentina. But when
you meddle in the if you,

722
00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:00,320
if you, if you stop listening
to the market, you stop getting the

723
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,480
good news. And this is good
news. That's that's a beautifully put.

724
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,079
That's exactly right. People are saying, Okay, coal is dirty, we

725
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:09,320
don't want to ey coal anymore.
It's great. We got all this natural

726
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,360
gas shoot and then we're told,
of course we can't have natural gas,

727
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,480
so back to col We can't go
back to coal, and we can't go

728
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,800
back to nuclear because it takes too
long and we're all very afraid of it

729
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,360
because of Jane Fond in her movie. So therefore we have to go to

730
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,719
wind and solar, which is great
because it's renewable, except that it doesn't

731
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,039
work. It doesn't provide enough power. It just doesn't. And I don't

732
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,039
care how good the batteries get,
it's not going to be the solution.

733
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:34,440
It drives me absolutely crazy. But
you know why, I will never get

734
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,599
an EV I don't care if they
get those things to start when it's thirty

735
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:39,559
below. I don't care if the
range is forever, because I would have

736
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:44,360
range anxiety about that thing. It's
because I'm the kind of guy who's always

737
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,280
got his eye on the battery icon
on my phone or my laptop for me,

738
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,880
and I start to get I start
to get aujita if it gets below

739
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,880
ninety percent. When it's eighty eight
percent, I'm starting to look around for

740
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,239
an outlet. I travel, I
go from here to Cankun on a four

741
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,480
hour plane. I've got I'm practically
carrying, you know, a firestone battery

742
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:09,480
from a car in case that there'd
be nothing at the airport or that the

743
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:14,239
even even though i know there'll be
a socket on the plane, I've just

744
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,880
I've got a bad I got a
battery because what if the socket on the

745
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,079
plane doesn't work? And then I'm
stuck at the airport for a while,

746
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,559
and I'm trying to find my guide
to take me into the jungle, which

747
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:22,800
is an hour ride. I don't
want I don't want to be a three

748
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,599
percent five percent when I'm going through
the jungle. I'm you know, I

749
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:29,960
got to call my kidnappers to get
them, you know, my relatives,

750
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,559
to get the kidnappers money. And
no, so I would never buy an

751
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,559
EV I'd just be looking all the
time at that, whereas in a car,

752
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,039
I know that this is America,
and around the corner or down the

753
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,400
road there's going to be a station
and it's going to pump it out,

754
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,320
and it's going to be going to
be the most efficient means of generating power

755
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,360
to my engine. You can possibly
think of. The most efficient means by

756
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,760
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757
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758
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759
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:05,320
your pitchbot. Why it's great now
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760
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,800
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761
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,320
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762
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,280
about, you know, people who
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763
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,840
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764
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,920
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769
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770
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771
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,039
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772
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