1 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:35,439 Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. This 2 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:39,600 is your host, Adam Graham. If you have a comment, email it 3 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:47,039 to me Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, Follow us on Twitter at 4 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:54,719 Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram Instagram dot COM's slash Great Detectives. 5 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Today's program is brought you in part by the financial support of our listener. 6 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,599 You can support the podcast on a one time basis by sending a check 7 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:11,239 to Adam Graham peelbox one five nine one three that's one five nine thirteen Boise 8 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:17,680 idahol eight three seven one five. You can also become one of our ongoing 9 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Patreon supporters for as little last two dollars per month by going to Patreon dot 10 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Great Detectives dot net. Well, now it is time for this week's episode 11 00:01:29,079 --> 00:01:34,640 of Dragnet. The original aired eight September the twenty fourth, nineteen forty nine, 12 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:45,799 and the title is The Brickbats Slayer. Here's another in NBC's great parade 13 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:56,480 of new shows. Ladies and Gentlemen, The story you are about to hear 14 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,239 is true, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. NBC 15 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:17,560 brings you dragnet. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned a homicide. A 16 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:22,560 mad killer is loose in the city. In every instance, he leaves the 17 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:28,960 murder weapon behind. There are no fingerprints, no clues to the killer's identity. 18 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Your job get him a time. Drag Net that documented drama of an 19 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,439 actual crime, investigated and solved by the men who unrelentingly stand watch on the 20 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:45,680 security of your home, your family, and your life. For the next 21 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:49,919 thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department, you will travel 22 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,000 step by step on the side of the law through an actual case, from 23 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:59,120 official police files, from beginning to end, from prime to punishment. Dragnet 24 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:07,199 is the story if your police force in action. It was Tuesday, June 25 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,840 third, was warm in Los Angeles. We were working the day watch out 26 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,000 a homicide. My partner's Ben Romero. The boss is at backstrand, Chief 27 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,080 of Detectives. My name is Friday. I was off duty, reporting back 28 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,199 in on an emergency call. Was three fifty seven am. When I got 29 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:31,960 to the basement of the city Hall the car pool, let's go, Friday, 30 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:36,639 sorry to call you back in. Couldn't be helped, all right, 31 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:46,759 Ben okaysgiv what's up in double murder? Quinn, I don't know. I 32 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,479 found out about it forty minutes ago. Got any ideas roughly? Samemo was 33 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:54,360 that sixty four to thirteen? Or which you giver? No? Sixty four 34 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,360 to thirty? What do you mean the same mo? I'm the same guy, 35 00:03:58,719 --> 00:04:01,680 break back killer? How many does this make counting to night four? 36 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,879 We got anything at all? Mum, it's much fingerpins. We can't even 37 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:10,719 classify him. Sounds like a smart operator. We got to get him. 38 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,719 We have to shake down the city from one end to the other. Big 39 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:26,800 job, togill her big killer. Uh. At four twenty six am we 40 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,360 put up in front of sixty four thirty Norowitch Drive, a small group of 41 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,720 bungalow apartments facing on an oval shaped garden court. Two uniformed officers were stationed 42 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,160 at the door to the apartment. Hi, Chief, I had Fellas we 43 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:44,160 went inside, Wellberg from Thomas side was waiting for us. This way in 44 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:53,639 here, Well there they are, Yeah, mother, daughter, Yeah, 45 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:03,800 on the floor beside the bend. Yeah, a red brick MS afters. 46 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,639 We know how you must feel about all this, but would you please try 47 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:13,040 to answer a few more questions for it. Yes, all right, poor 48 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,319 Markers, mss hafters. How long did you know missus Diaz and her daughter? 49 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Nine years? It's November they moved next door. I remember it so 50 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:27,959 well. We got along right from the stuff. And as far as you 51 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,040 know, the only close friends mother and daughter had live right here in the 52 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:34,519 apartment court. Yes, Margaret was a pretty girl, but she was no 53 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:41,160 chaser, no boyfriends, very close to her mother, the two of them 54 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,519 very close. Did they keep any amount of valuables in the apartment, money, 55 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,439 jewelry, things like that. No, Missus Dias and Margaret didn't have 56 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,240 much, you know, very modest, didn't come. They both worked, 57 00:05:51,720 --> 00:06:02,360 and you can think of no good reasons. No, no, poor Margaret. 58 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,319 Yes, would you show him his halters back to our apartment? Sure, 59 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:15,319 Sar, thank him as halfing. We appreciate it. You well, 60 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:21,639 Joe, let's check with Ed. He's back in the bedroom. You get 61 00:06:21,639 --> 00:06:27,279 anything from the neighbors, the usual Ed, No jealous boyfriends, ex husbands, 62 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,480 nothing like that. Boys find any evidence yet, Skaber, I'm still 63 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,480 working on it. He got any theories and we know the killings were all 64 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,160 done by the same guy, cuts the same pattern out of the window screen, 65 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:41,399 cuts the same pattern with a glass cutter out of the window, reaches 66 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:44,600 in and flips the larks. All right, where's that lays? And before 67 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,000 he gets inside he makes sure there are only women in the house. That 68 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,439 means he probably watches the house for a few days. Once he gets inside. 69 00:06:50,439 --> 00:06:56,040 He wants only one thing to kill. He's never taken any valuables as 70 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,720 far as we can tell, He's never searched for any What kind of a 71 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,240 man and works like that? I think the guy's killed crazy, hey fellas, 72 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:06,240 Yes, Donna, here's a break. Two fair prints, one thumb, 73 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,879 one forefinger. What'd you get? Pete only got nine points? Not 74 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,600 enough to go into court, but enough to make him. We'll know him 75 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 when we get him. Yeah, found the prints on the lens of the 76 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:19,240 old lady's eyeglasses. Probably knock him off the night table when he went after 77 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:21,279 him, and when he was done and put him back on the table. 78 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,879 Yeah, had blood on his hands. He Yeah, that's funny, isn't 79 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 it. Why would he go to the trouble of picking up the woman's glasses 80 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:41,240 after he killed her. We'll ask him when we find him. Hi, 81 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:46,519 ben Joe might have something for him. We can usually hold it. Yeah, 82 00:07:46,959 --> 00:07:50,160 crime lamb joan, Yeah, yeah, all right, I'll tell him 83 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:57,160 right ed backstrand. If you're through checking the victims clothes by eight o'clock, 84 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,519 you can knock off asleep until noon. What if we're not, take it 85 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 up with the chaplain. Here's what I wanted to show you over here. 86 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,920 A couple of casts bare foot print that's right, goes from the deer's place. 87 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,519 Found them outside the dining room window in the flower bed. Take a 88 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:22,639 look, good cast size nine ten Uh missing toe there, huh left foot 89 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,360 first toe, that's lucky. One of the guy took his shoes off before 90 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:28,720 he went in that house. That's the way it looks. You leave any 91 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:33,919 other princely three with his shoes on? Here? They are here? Yeah, 92 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,519 how would you say the guy has built lee? Oh? From the 93 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,799 impression, pretty heavy man. There's no full length of stride. Or I 94 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,320 might give you an idea of his height. How about them bricksley here? 95 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:50,440 They are all trails use this one in the first murder, this one in 96 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,519 the second, this one last night. Leaves him around like calling cards, 97 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:58,120 and there's no way to check him. You'll never get a fingerprint. Off 98 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,200 a common red brick like this pin surface is too rough. Well, I 99 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,840 got an idea of his weight. You know that the first toes missing from 100 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,720 his left foot. That's something one we had yesterday. We can check that 101 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,399 mission towing the amputation file. Joe. Yeah, well we better get back, 102 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Pete. Ought to have those prints ready too, Thanks a lot late. 103 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,759 Okay, fellas say they post the bodies yet, Yeah, they're doing 104 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:22,960 it now, same as the first two. The brain concussion hemorrhings. They 105 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,919 didn't have a chance. Hold it a minute, time left, Jones, 106 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,519 Sure, just a minute. Either one of your fellas, I'll get it. 107 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,320 Joe, Oh yeah, well yeah, that would be right over. 108 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:46,399 They gotta make on his two fingers frinks, okay, Joe, single print 109 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,840 file made him on the index finger. Let me see, Pete. Uh 110 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,440 take a look then. Yeah, doesn't look like a killer, does he, 111 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,519 Joe. Kind of nice looking, that's right, Pete. They said 112 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:03,600 the same thing about John Dillinger. The name at the top of the makesheet 113 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,480 read Carlos Richard Monterey, male, Caucasian, age nineteen, height five feet 114 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,120 eleven inches, eight hundred and sixty five pounds, dark brown haired, dark 115 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:18,519 brown eyes. Last known address sixteen sixty three Naples Street, Los Angeles. 116 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:24,799 Previous arrests one auto theft, February eighth, nineteen thirty six. That was 117 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,159 all then, and I have been expecting more. The information on the Mama 118 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:33,240 sheet from Monterey was thirteen years old. So was the picture, So was 119 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,159 the description, so was the address. In thirteen years. A man can 120 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:41,559 change in a thousand ways. So can his habits, his appearances, address 121 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,120 in thirteen years. Everything can change except two things, a man's fingerprints and 122 00:10:48,159 --> 00:11:00,480 the physical deformitie I seen too on the left foot, Carlos Richard Monterey. 123 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:20,559 Here there is Joe sixteen sixty three names. Yes, come on, somebody's 124 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:28,279 coming. Yes? What is it for police officers? We'd like to ask 125 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,679 you a few questions. Oh yes, would you like to come in? 126 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:39,240 Thank you, ma'am? Yes, would you mind telling us your name? 127 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:46,159 Monterday? Today? What is it you want? You're married? Yes? 128 00:11:46,039 --> 00:11:50,799 My husband is Francisco mon Today. Would you explain how you are here? 129 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,559 We thought you might be able to help us. We're looking for a man 130 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,879 named Carlos Monterey. Nice, I don't understand you. We're looking for him 131 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:00,559 man. We'd like to talk to him. You know where he is. 132 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,799 Yes, Carlos is dead. Seven years ago. He's dead. My husband 133 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:09,879 told me. Does your husband know Carlos or did he know him? He 134 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,279 was his brother? What about your husband's parents, Miss Monaee? Where they 135 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,799 they're both dead sometime? Now have you ever met Carlos? No? Never, 136 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,639 I've only heard of him. What have you heard of him? Ms? 137 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:24,159 Monrae, do not ask me? This is important, very important. 138 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,120 Francisco wouldn't like it if I told you it's important as many believe it. 139 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:35,840 Carlus, he's sick, he's mind wa eight years. Francisco has not seen 140 00:12:35,919 --> 00:12:39,399 him, not heard from him. He thinks he's dead, but he only 141 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,519 thinks so, Miss Monaey. No one has told him his brother's dad. 142 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,080 He just thinks so. What else he did to think? Where's your husband? 143 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,879 Now? What his work? Miss Dorr? Never stet no mean grocery? 144 00:12:50,519 --> 00:13:01,720 Monte God wrote grocery. Hey, it's you change, Thank you missus 145 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,759 myers. Now look, officers, you know how it is. You don't 146 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,120 like to let these things get out. That's why I trust you. You 147 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,559 can trust us, mister Monterey. We just want to check on a few 148 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:15,559 things. Oh fine, always glad to help out if I can. Can 149 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,039 you tell us if your brother was ever in a mental institution in his life? 150 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Oh? I know there was nothing wrong. Nineteen twenty three, got 151 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,440 a little bad, Simon. Dad had to put him away for a while, 152 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:33,480 just till he calmed down. I remember the day. Sometimes, dumb 153 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,120 stupid kid, what he know, standing there by himself in the train, 154 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,399 crying in the public nursey stupid way. He cried, what do you do? 155 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:46,039 I cried too. I was only ten subject I saw him go. 156 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,440 He was alone. Later on, mister money, your brother was released from 157 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,759 the state institution. Yeah, he was sixteen, and he started running around, 158 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,440 playing tough, carried it gun, live by himself. He never came 159 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,679 around. He dropped from sight about nineteen thirty eight. You haven't heard from 160 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:07,480 him since. Nothing, never seen him. Do you know of anybody who 161 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:13,919 might have seen him. There was a girly head, Anita something on Soteo 162 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:18,080 Street, Anita Martin. Yeah, that's it, Soteo Street. Maybe she's 163 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:28,559 seen it. Ask her, maybe she's seen it. Carlos Carlos Maderee and 164 00:14:28,799 --> 00:14:33,639 not in a year less march she was in When I was working at the 165 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:37,759 Peacock Donald South Maine. He came in, we talked for a while. 166 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,559 That was all. And you haven't seen Carlos for the past two months or 167 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,960 so, I tell you, no, has he readen two years? He 168 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:48,799 phoned once. Three weeks ago he phoned here. You left a message with 169 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,360 my girlfriend, but he didn't call back again. Now that's it. That's 170 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,279 all I know. Thank you, Miss Martin. Here's our card. If 171 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,519 he does call on, you'll let us know. Yeah, I'll let you 172 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:05,399 know. You like Carlos? Is that it? An like him? No? 173 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:09,799 I didn't like him. He was funny. I thought he was nice. 174 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,960 You know, I pitied him. Why did you pity him, Miss 175 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,039 Martin? Well, he was a good fellow who was strange. He could 176 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,919 smile, you know, he had a nice smile, but you could tell 177 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,919 it was never laughing. There was something in his mind. Something. Oh 178 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:35,519 I don't know. At least a year closer to two, I haven't seen 179 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,879 Carlos. No letters, not a card, nothing. It was in these 180 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,120 The last time I heard when was that year ago January? I was in 181 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,639 here. He sent me a calendar. Sometimes he could get along fine, 182 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,000 very well, other times terrible. I couldn't keep him down. How they 183 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,360 managed to stay out of jail at Leiva Ciny, I don't know. Sometimes 184 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,039 he should have been in jail five times over. We'll say, you don't 185 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,720 know of anybody who might have a recent picture of Carlos, a snapshot? 186 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,600 No, no knowing, I can think of. Okay, Vincent, the 187 00:16:03,679 --> 00:16:06,159 year's our cord. If you do think of somebody, let us know where 188 00:16:06,159 --> 00:16:10,480 you'll help. Sure glad to for I hear of anybody. What kind of 189 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:22,639 a day is it outside? Hot? Hot? By five o'clock that afternoon, 190 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,720 Ben and I were certain of one thing. Carlos Monterey was in the 191 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,720 city of Los Angeles, somewhere. We drove back to the office and told 192 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:34,000 ed Backstrand about our interviews with Monterey's relatives and his friends. Inquiries and requests 193 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,679 for further identification and information on him were immediately relayed to the state mental institutions. 194 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:42,559 The thirteen year old picture of Monterey taken from the files was copied and 195 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,759 distributed with a note of caution as to the age of the photograph, and 196 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:51,159 apb was sent out. Stakeouts were placed at the home of Monterey's brother, 197 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,759 at the brother's store, and at the apartment of Anita Martin, a special 198 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,360 detail of three hundred men was ordered to join the Dragon at already in operation. 199 00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,200 The details at the airport and the bus terminals were alerted, as well 200 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,720 as the details at the union depot and the main post office. By six 201 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,279 o'clock that night, almost one thousand men were actively working at the job of 202 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,039 tracking down Carlos Monterey. At six thirty PM, Ben and I drew a 203 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,480 four hour relief period. We drove out to Ben's place and his wife fixes 204 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,160 some dinner. At ten thirty that night, we reported into the office, 205 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:29,200 picked up at backstand, and we drove out to join the mandment. Unit 206 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:33,599 thirty two are on the court of South Flower Lewis at three ninety w KLA 207 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:41,799 three six seven, Unit twelve eight cold N sixty six at eighty six four 208 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:48,519 of wall streams them out about a five oh seven LA six seven Unit forty 209 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:55,240 two five point three h east GM Apartment m D, and we cruised with 210 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:59,440 a dragnet operation until five o'clock that morning. Now Ben and I took turns 211 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,720 driving. Actually, the tremendous job of scouring five hundred square miles of city 212 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:07,960 for one man was only beginning unless it was an unexpected break. The search 213 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:12,839 for Carlinos Monterey could wear on for weeks. It did. Night after night. 214 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,880 The man went on, and day after day there was no break. 215 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,720 Sixteen days later, on a Sunday night, I went to bed early. 216 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,240 I read a while, and then I turned off the lamp and went to 217 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:34,519 sleep. Hello Friday talking Sorry, Joe, get in here as fast as 218 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:38,119 you can. What's the matter that girl Monta Rayu, the one you talked 219 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,920 to. Yeah, she left her apartment, went to her girlfriends. Yeah, 220 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:52,759 she's dead. It is a very red brick founded by the body. 221 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,680 How long she've been dead? Scar her? She was seen alive about an 222 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,519 hour and a half ago. Got three bare footprints, good length of stride. 223 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:02,559 Found them down in the lomp beside the house. What do they look 224 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,400 like? Same guy? First toe missing from the left foot, the same 225 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,400 weight, impression should be about five foot eleven. That checks out without you, 226 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:12,799 God, doesn't it all right? So it's the same guy. What 227 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:18,559 about those shoes? We finally, Yeah, they correspond they were impregnated with 228 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:23,079 foreign matter. What'd you find? Particles of lettuce, leave, dry onion 229 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,559 skin, traces of red cabbage, maybe a vegetable counter maybe what about the 230 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,480 City Wholesale Market down on Front Street. What about any market in Los Angeles? 231 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,559 No lead. That wholesale market is big enough to hide anybody. Hundreds 232 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,759 of traincents working there, and some of them even sleep there. For a 233 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:41,640 guy like Monterey to be perfect, it's a fair guess. Check it when 234 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,720 it opens. They opened at two am, two thirty. Now I get 235 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,680 back to the office and pick up as many extra men as you need to 236 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,319 get down there right away. Okay, you know he's a rougherence to watch 237 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:56,160 it. On Monday, June twenty third, at two minutes past three am, 238 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:00,440 we pulled up at the City Wholesale Ploduce Market with the exception of fifty 239 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,119 four police officers in plain clothes who mingled with the buyers and sellers. Business 240 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,519 went along as usual. The market itself, covered almost three square blocks in 241 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:12,559 the lower part of the downtown area, was divided off into hundreds of individual 242 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,039 stalls by flimsy wooden partitions. To make the search even tougher. The place 243 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,000 was crowded for the first forty five minutes. We had the men circulated at 244 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:25,880 random through the crowd on the chance that one of them might spot Carlos Monterey 245 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,240 from the thirteen year old picture. It didn't happen. After that, we 246 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:33,559 started the systematic canvas. We talked to the customers, We talked to the 247 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,960 managers of the different booths. We gave them Monterey's description, We showed them 248 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,160 his picture. Nobody recognized them. We checked the employment records one by one. 249 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:45,880 Not a sign. Sorry, sergeant, like to hell, I've never 250 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,519 seen the guy. Okay, mister Snyders, thank you. We sure picked 251 00:20:48,519 --> 00:20:52,200 the sweet jobs, don't we. Oh yeah, we could spend a year 252 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,200 at this. Oh, sergeant, Sergeant Friday, Yeah, comanski you find 253 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,720 something. I had the boot over there against the far wall things. He 254 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:00,880 might have hired Monterey a couple of days ago. Come on, well over 255 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,640 there, sergeant showing Monern inspection. Yeah, he thinks it might be him. 256 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,839 Mister President, this is a sergeant rom Merrow, Sergeant Friday, And 257 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,240 yes, I told you your boy, sergeant, this fellow Carlos, I 258 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,039 hire him to help last Thursday, bigger rush for me. And now so 259 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,839 I hired him. You're sure he's a man in the picture. Things so 260 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:26,680 a little older maybe, but I know faces he's the man you're looking for 261 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:29,119 him, You say, you hired this man last Thursday. It's all right, 262 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,079 it's a big rush for me now in the morning. I hire him 263 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:36,400 a Thursday. He worked Thurs the day Friday Saturday. But I don't show 264 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,119 up this morning, so I got annoy. Use too many minutes to pick 265 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,079 it from you don't show up by lett him? Go What kind of work 266 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,839 did he do for you? Same as he did before? Schiller done the 267 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,039 heavy work moving the stores they're cleaning up. What kind of brodius to Shiller 268 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,079 handle? Mister frans Nanny fansy, very fancy vegetable, they say, choice, 269 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,920 no potatoes, expensive red onions. Hill the sells to the bigger hotels. 270 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,680 Shillar handle brown onions, mister fans On only the best big dealer that 271 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:04,920 the Shiller tell us it to the big hotels. How long has this Carlo 272 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,400 has been working around the market? Oh, I don't know. Is it 273 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:11,240 just the like of their race? First they're working for me, then the 274 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,400 lord go Marceine, then the shielder. Hey, why are you looking so 275 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,039 hard to for hear me? He stolen somebody, He murdered somebody, Ye, 276 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:25,039 my murder. Do you have any idea where Carlos live for me no, 277 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:26,440 no, And if it comes to back here, I tell her to 278 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,240 get out. I got nothing to do with this straw. You'll tell him 279 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,799 nothing, mister Presidenttie, here's our card. If you see Monterey again, 280 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,359 call us say nothing to him. Sure, sure, Joe, call the 281 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,119 chief at the office where your messages came in banks. Now, come on, 282 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,640 Ben, Yeah, there's a phone booth. See no, I don't 283 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,720 wear Crady had a little laught. Oh yeah, you got a nickel see 284 00:22:45,119 --> 00:23:06,400 oh yeah? And there thanks, I'll see what that wants. City Hall 285 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:15,000 two five one Jee detectives always had him. Mike head there Ed take it 286 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:18,920 on extension too, were you? Thanks? Fan talking Friday Ed, we'll 287 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,200 fasten this one. Joe, what's up? Main post office? Conlis Monterey 288 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:33,799 pick up a letter there less than five minutes ago. Come on, Ben, 289 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,160 there's that over there with Welberg. Yeah five pick short, jammed up 290 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,200 around here, l r Ed Friday from home, you all said, Wilberg, 291 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,079 All set Chief Spring Street to San Pedro sunset. The first gotta covered 292 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,160 good? What's the story? Both office detailed tipped us off. Five minutes 293 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,160 after eight, A man answering Corlis Monterey's description picked up a letter at the 294 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,720 general delivery window that was sixteen minutes ago. Who spotted him, Sam Lane, 295 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,039 you got to look at him just as he was leaving the window, 296 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,480 called to him to stop, but Monterey ran Lane called me and we threw 297 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,559 an it over the area for six blocks around and Monterey is still somewhere inside 298 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,160 this area. I don't know how I could have gotten out. What's next 299 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:10,799 and I'll give him an how to break foot. After that, we start 300 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,920 a house to house search with the whole area. Stop all pedestrian and vehicular 301 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,920 traffic for identification. If you're going to jam up the depot traffic, that's 302 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,000 cheaper than murder. Romero get going. The first hour we counted off in 303 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,400 five minutes segments like Backstrand. We felt close enough to moderate to touch him, 304 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,359 but he still wasn't there. The north and south ends of the blockade 305 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,440 started to move in, slowly, searching every store, every house, every 306 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,720 conceivable place where a man might hide out. In the meantime, Ben and 307 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,240 I worked the Spring Street side of the blockade and watching the faces of the 308 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,960 pedestrians as they came through one by one, examining all vehicles and their drivers. 309 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,200 In the morning, war on the sun came out and it started to 310 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,599 get warm. By eleven o'clock that morning, Monterey still had not been found. 311 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,920 The temperature was ninety three. In Los Angeles, it was still climbing. 312 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,720 The search went on. At ten minutes past two pm. Backstrand made 313 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,400 the round. How's it look, scanner? Not good? Going slow? 314 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,000 How much longer you figure? I don't know, and it'll go to after 315 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,920 doc that's showing district down here is like a vatchiness. Yeah, nothing, 316 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,920 nothing, but he's someplace inside this blockade. He's gonna be any chance getting 317 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,519 relief for the men in our square, and some of them been working straight 318 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:26,559 through since yesterday. MM. I'll see check with me if I find this 319 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,720 afternoon. Thank you, Scarving. Keep a sharp look up. One slip, 320 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,640 that's all it takes. The search went on at three o'clock that afternoon. 321 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:40,680 The temperature was ninety five. We swelltered and we waited. At three 322 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,279 forty five, Backstrand sent a squad of men into the Union depot to search 323 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,640 it and talked about him. There was one false alarm when one of the 324 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:48,960 men thought he saw him on a race slipping out a side door into a 325 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:55,200 taxi it turned out to be a train conductor. At twenty five minutes past 326 00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,440 four, Backstrand passed along the order to our detail to start moving in the 327 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:03,000 house by house was a tedious job, and it went slowly. The men 328 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:07,160 were tired. At five point thirty the relief squad showed up. Ben and 329 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,880 I stayed on. After another two hours of house to house searching, the 330 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,839 trap was narrowed down to a three square block area, a single block wide 331 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:18,960 and three blocks long. It started to get dark. Back Strand ordered out 332 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,680 batteries of floodlights. By eight pm, the cordon closed in around the last 333 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,839 two square blocks. Lines rossets give ready to move? Good? What do 334 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,400 you think? I well know, pretty soon one way or the other. 335 00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:34,000 Pry keep that traffick moving, all right, you two get going, say 336 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:42,039 lads, given Joe, let's take a look in here. Okay, here 337 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:47,319 is an old build. Yeah what Komanski go? Oh no, here, 338 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,079 men to go away. There's his flashlight down the end of the corridor. 339 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,839 There he's signal yeah, come on, Kemanski, Yes, down below searching 340 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,319 the basement. Come on, Monterey, he's been there. I think, 341 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:04,359 yeah, this alright? Where over here and watch the step that light's bad. 342 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,000 There he is, says he's a janitor. Oh my, it's been 343 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,319 slug all right, come on, how it happened? Can you tell us? 344 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,519 Man? A big man hit me. I came down to him, 345 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,359 get the baskets. He hit me in the rare and over to the new 346 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,519 building, the new buildings at the one next door. Yeah, just a 347 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,519 few minutes ago. Nobody's come out of this building for the past half hour. 348 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,680 Every door in the place's garden. Oh no, I'm at the doors. 349 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,240 He went to the tunnel. I saw him over there's the tunnel. 350 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,079 I'll take the look, yo, yeah, the tunnel. Next the two 351 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,519 basements, same company, whole building, a new building, a tunnel connext 352 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,599 the basements. Come on, yeah, comansk you get out the backstrand tell 353 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,640 them what's happened, right, sergeant, call an ambulance. Right, all 354 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,680 right? Then through the tunnel. What's where you go in? The right's 355 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,079 bad? It is? M had a door up ahead, and yeah, 356 00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:57,440 I think so, yeah, yeah, let's go good. There's a stairway. 357 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:08,759 Come on, watch the doors. Jure the elevator. They're both on 358 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:21,319 the third floors. Head for the stairs that fans come on one more floor, 359 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,839 yeah right, come on hurry, yeah, look cop on the stairs 360 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,480 there you go. Alright, alright, you duck from the elevator. Joey's 361 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,920 going down, but we'll never make it on the stairs. No, look, 362 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,400 you're elevator control levers fence. Let's try it anyway. I kick the 363 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:47,119 control lever, kick it them good, all right, Ben knocked the lever 364 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,759 back. Come on quick, yep, what's the matter, Jo, it's 365 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,920 Jim. We're going time. All right, let's kick it here now that 366 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,559 doesn't can you reach the door control? What just now? I'll see ye 367 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:02,720 yeah, I'm heayyah. While he's still in the building. Both elevators in 368 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:06,279 here now down the hall Bentley office of my left, I think, yeah, 369 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,200 okay, here we are by keep credit art all right, mon al 370 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:18,119 right, put on that gunner, come on out. Okay, Joe, 371 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,319 let's take it. Watch it happen. He's going everything he can get his 372 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:33,279 hands from. All right, Monterey here, come on you okay, then 373 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:49,960 take him gift them hum nice looking guy, clean cutting. Yeah, doesn't 374 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,720 figure that. What's that? My wife would say? He doesn't look like 375 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:00,079 a killer, does he? What's a you are supposed to look like? 376 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:12,680 Well? Out the story you have just heard is cruel. Only the names 377 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:19,160 were changed to protect the innocent. Carlos Monterey was examined by five different psychiatrists 378 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,240 appointed by the Superior Court and was found to be seen. He was tried 379 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:27,160 and convicted of murder in the first degree. He was executed in the legal 380 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:36,960 gas chamber at the State Penitentiary. You have just heard the seventeenth in a 381 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,440 new series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes from 382 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,440 the office of W. A. Wharton, Acting Chief of Police, Los 383 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,480 Angeles Police Department. Tonight's program is dedicated to motorcycle Patrolman John Kramer of the 384 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,640 El Paso, Texas Sheriff's Department, who, on the afternoon of April twenty 385 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,960 sixth, nineteen forty, gave his life so that yours might be more secure. 386 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:11,359 Drag Meth came to you from Los Angeles, your tune for the Stars 387 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:18,559 on NBC Welcome back. Well, this is another case that moves from a 388 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,759 brutal crime scene to simple clothes that put our heroes on the right track. 389 00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:29,519 It's such a great formula and really works time after time with all the different 390 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:34,079 turns and variations and investigation can take. Now, you might have been wondering 391 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:41,680 how the criminal was found guilty even though he was obviously disturbed. The short 392 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:48,039 answer to that, and I'm offering my non lawyer explanation, is that legal 393 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:53,119 insanity requires that whatever disturbance you have renders you unable to understand your act towards 394 00:31:53,279 --> 00:32:00,400 nature or the difference between right and wrong. Enough in today's episode, case 395 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,839 that that was the case. Friday's question at the end as to what a 396 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:12,519 killer looks like is a good one. Media portrayals of killers then and now 397 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,839 often imagine a certain type or a certain look. There's makeup that can be 398 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:27,079 applied to actors that can in certain ways reflect menaces, and certainly actors can 399 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,200 put that into their performance even without makeup, and you know, camera work 400 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:37,599 and things like that, and then of course you have aereotypes about how criminals 401 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,960 look. One of my favorite audio dramas of all time, Times of Midnight 402 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:50,000 made fun of that when suspects were being asked who they suspected was the murderer, 403 00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,000 and they would give an answer, and when asked why, they'd say, 404 00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:57,559 well, because he or because she has beady eyes. But none of 405 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:04,240 that really counts in real life, and if you can get citizens distinguishing between 406 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,319 fantasy and reality as much as possible, that makes the job of police officers 407 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,079 a lot easier. Well, now we turn to listener comments and feedback, 408 00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:22,519 and we start out on YouTube and Lavender writes love, Jack Webb and Steve 409 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,640 says, thanks Adam, you rock and over on the site called x, 410 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:36,480 I posted the graphic for the podcast Spotify Rap, which shows on Spotify and 411 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:44,039 increase in listeners and streams and new followers, Elisa said in response to this, 412 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,839 I discovered your podcast this year and have thoroughly enjoyed it. Well, 413 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,559 thank you so much, a Lisa Hope. I pronounced that correctly, and 414 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:58,359 then I received an email from David Patreon supporter at the detective sergeant level of 415 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,000 seven dollars and fourteen sensor more per month. He writes, I went to 416 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:07,079 the first episode of Box thirteen in the shows and discovered that it is also 417 00:34:07,239 --> 00:34:13,239 your episode Triple zero one. This was lock finding the Dead Sea scrolls, 418 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,519 not only the original Dan Holiday, but the original Adam Graham in the first 419 00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:25,800 four Box thirteen episodes and the original sixteen inch recordings. You are one excitable 420 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:30,840 guy. Back then two thousand and nine, in those first recordings and no 421 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,519 commentary, just pushing it out there as fast as you could. Suddenly, 422 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:39,800 on episode twenty one you open up with a lot of commentary with where the 423 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,840 show was going. Some of it was not quite well well structured in presentation 424 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:49,519 as you speak now. I only point this out to show how well you 425 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,440 progress through the years. The host intro is better, the commentary is better, 426 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,760 and you should be rightly proud to have improved in over a decade as 427 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,960 the Great Detectives podcast host. It seems in the middle years you consciously slowed 428 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000 your speaking pace down a lot, but have since reved it up a little. 429 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,079 I like your lively pace now, and I appreciate that you sometimes deliver 430 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,280 some drawn out, complex commentary that usually seems well thought out in practice. 431 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,480 You really have an experience, and if you didn't start out as a complete 432 00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:27,039 expert on old time radio, you sure are now your faithful listener. Well, 433 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,519 thanks so much, Thank you for your kind comments, and I appreciate 434 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:39,719 the observation now. Of course, all of the original episodes from the first 435 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,159 few seasons of the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio, all five days a 436 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,480 week are available as part of our Volume one feed at Volume one dot Great 437 00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:59,880 Detectives dot net. And actually episode zero zero zero one wasn't actually the first 438 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,960 episode that I did. You see. I wanted listeners to my Old Time 439 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:10,079 Dragging at podcast to be able to subscribe to the podcast from day one, 440 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,480 which means I had to have an active feed with something on there now. 441 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:19,320 Of course, this year, when I launched the Old Time Radio snack Wagon, 442 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,159 I put a podcast trailer out and people could subscribe to the podcast after 443 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:31,880 listening to the trailer. But this was before podcast trailers, and that makes 444 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,000 me sound incredibly old. We didn't have those fancy podcast trailers. So I 445 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:45,760 did a full episode, and I opened that episode with about ten minutes of 446 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,599 commentary where in a sort of very disjointed fashion, I talked about my plans 447 00:36:52,760 --> 00:37:00,360 for the podcast. I did not receive favorable feedback on that particular and so 448 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:06,079 in early weeks I may have been over correcting. I should also add that 449 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,400 that is the only episode that I've edited down because there are people who find 450 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,840 the episode zero zero zero, listen to it, think that's what the whole 451 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239 podcast is going to be like, and get you know, turned off to 452 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:27,000 the whole thing that is preserved. My whole intro from that pilot episode is 453 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:31,559 preserved in the season one commentary that's part of Volume one, and when I 454 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,480 do lesten to early commentaries, which I've had an occasion to do as we've 455 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:45,239 been getting Volume one posted and now into volume two. With Volume one and 456 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,480 with also Old Time Radio Superman, I too, am kind of blown away 457 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:54,760 by the speed at which I started talking. When I was first getting started, 458 00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:59,280 I'm like, where did this energy come from? I mean, I 459 00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,840 know it came from it came from nervousness, and I also I got the 460 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,320 idea and I think it may have had something to do with like the sort 461 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:16,079 of church culture that I grew up around. It was the idea that passion 462 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:22,840 means being loud and being fast. Those two things I've kind of come to 463 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:29,920 appreciate more as I've grown older at sometimes passion, eloquence, what have you 464 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:36,199 can come with variation of pitch and variation of speed, and it doesn't have 465 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,880 to be all that fast. But slowing myself down is always a challenge whenever 466 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:49,199 I'm doing anything with communications, and actually throughout so much of the early years 467 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,039 of the podcast, what's kind of surprised me is I've gone back and reviewed 468 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,719 so many episodes, is that there were, you know, not a whole 469 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,880 lot of commentary, often a little bit of intro at the beginning, and 470 00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:07,280 then at the end, maybe a sentence or two and we're done, which 471 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,599 I wouldn't have expected because we were still getting all you know, when we 472 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,199 got the negative feedback and reviews, it was you you would think that I 473 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:21,360 was going on like Jefferson Smith at the end of Mister Smith Goes to Washington. 474 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,239 So many of those episodes were two or two and a half minutes of 475 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,960 me talking combined opening and closing. And I was not an expert on old 476 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:37,599 time radio when I started. I knew some things, but some of the 477 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:44,719 things I knew, to paraphrase a president, were so I don't know if 478 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:51,159 you could start out today with a podcast knowing as little about the topic when 479 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,000 I started out as I did. So I'm really grateful for the time that 480 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,840 I got into this the mid to light two thousands, with not only great 481 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,880 detectives, but the old Time Dragnet Show and the old time Radio Superman Show, 482 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:14,920 and there was a real opportunity to learn as you go, and I 483 00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:22,320 think that on balance, people were incredibly gracious and encouraging and that really helped 484 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,480 me just to be able to stick with it and to be able to learn 485 00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:34,119 and get better. And I've always been open to constructive feedback as opposed to 486 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,360 feedback that is nasty or out of touch with reality. Quite frankly, and 487 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,039 even this year, we've made some changes in some subtle and not so subtle 488 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,800 ways. For example, we've changed the show notes and some of the things 489 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,599 that we do in them. I appreciated your note and all the encouragement that 490 00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,719 I've received from so many listeners over the years, which is really allowed the 491 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,679 podcast to change and grow. Well, now it's time to thank our Patreon 492 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,639 supporter of the day. Thank you to Pat, Patreon supporter since September twenty 493 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,000 twenty, currently supporting the podcast at the rookie level of two dollars or more 494 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:21,000 per month. Thank you so much for your support, Pat, and that 495 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:24,079 will do it for today. 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I'm not sure they're in order. 504 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,199 That's what I want you to find out. Well, just second glory. 505 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,760 I don't go into petty snooping if you're just trying to find out whether 506 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,079 your boyfriend is stepping out of I'm not concerned about other women, all right. 507 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,719 What I want to know is what does he do for living? Didn't 508 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,320 he tell you yes, a number of things, but you don't believe him. 509 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:32,599 I didn't tell yesterday. They're too fantastic, all about big business here, 510 00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,119 but he won't give me any details. Also secret. If I can't 511 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,360 help wondering your tabe he's mixed up in something illegal. Otherwise why would he 512 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,559 try to keep them from him? I don't know. Well, Well, 513 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:45,440 it cost to have you investigated quite a lot. But I'll give you some 514 00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:51,119 advice for nothing. What's that forgetting? I can't as long as you have 515 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,679 such serious doubts about it. I love him? Well, then what are 516 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,280 you doing here? Hoping you'll prove my doubts are wrong? An if they 517 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,920 aren't, I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime, do 518 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,320 send your comments to Box thirteen at Greatdetectives dot net, follow us on Twitter 519 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,199 at Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com 520 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,480 slash Great Detectives From Boise, Idaho. This is your host, Adam Graham 521 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,360 signing off.