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Henderson. Mark Anderson is very much
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Welcome Mark, Thank you, Donnie, thank you for having me.

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Okay, i'd like to kick off
and first of all ask you what exactly

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got you into firsty the paranormal.
Okay, that's it's quite a long question,

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so I'll trying to be as brief
summarized as quickly as possible. If

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you can see the painting behind me, this is a painting from Dundee,

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and that's my that's my home time. And I lived in a quite a

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nice house in Dundee, and the
place was for dramatic effect, like a

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mini boring version of Skinwalker Runs without
the couse. And right before we continue,

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the painting behind market is of a
beautiful wintry scenic depiction of where he

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once sniffed. There was a lot
happening there. And I'll speak about my

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experiences, although there were there have
been other experiences from other people and the

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house I lived in, there was
a number of things happened throughout the years,

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like, for example, the more
common things within the paranormal would be

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a thing like hammering, Like even
though there's nobody in the house, there

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would be the strange hammering. From
time to time, there'd be noises,

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and there were unusual sites, not
often, but from time to time they

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would maybe see something that didn't look
quite right. That was part and parcel

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of everyday life. And there was
things like feelings and sensations that I just

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thought, I'm being silly, I'm
just making it up. For example,

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or it's in my head only a
child at the time. My first like

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real experience of the paranormal, apart
from the hammering, started a bit later,

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so apologies, I'm going to have
to digress a bit. The first

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real part experiences probably the one that
everybody's had, and that's when you dream

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about something and then a few days
later it came true. And that I

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remember my first time that happened.
I was six years old. And then

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all the more unusual feelings of in
the house and then the hammerings maybe started

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about a living twelve thirteen. They
continue, Yes, they really started about

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living twelve. Yes, and for
my first ever real like out their paranormal

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experience probably happened in France. And
I will put up to this. This

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is contentious and is debatable, and
I will put my hands up and benbody

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says Luke that you're being silly.
I'm totally accepted. But I believe I

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ginerally saw an angel and it was
a it's a silly it's it's not anything

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eventful or nothing like came down say
my life. It was I lost a

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wallet and I remember losing it a
theme park and I we got a bus

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and we went to a city.
It was really a really busy city in

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France, and it was quick close
to the Calis and it was really really

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busy. My teacher said, please
be careful. They lots of pickpockets.

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And I had lost my wallet about
an hour or so before in another place,

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and I just had this feeling go
out and I'll be okay. And

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this old lady came up to me
spoke in English, handing me the wallet

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with all the money in it,
and I was like, well and said

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thank you very much, and I
turned around and I couldn't see her anymore

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now. It wasn't like she vanished
in my eyes. And if you're being

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a bit more rational, from we
could say doing we won. The kids

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took the wallet and threw it away, and then the lady picked it up.

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But the unusual thing, it was
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her to know that it was my
wallet and to speak to me and well

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maybe she could see my wallet to
see her then the English and spoke to

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me in English. But just there's
so many people that the chances were really

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really small. So I have a
lot of comfort from that story, and

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I feel like there's a lot of
good in the world because of that.

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And then what happened was and the
probably the things they speak most about,

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the same year or maybe a few
months later, I was walking my dog

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and just outside of my house across
the road, a soft flash like maybe

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see in the sky, like you
see from an old camera, another one.

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I thought, that's unusual, and
then this white like saucer like energy

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just seemed to hover over my neighbor's
house. It seemed to bounce up and

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down and back to front, and
it wasn't frightening at all, but it

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was actually it was just like,
oh, that's that's there. So I

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had a friend in the house at
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family, so we always used to
call each other cousins, and I said,

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come out, come out and see
this, and we just watched it

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for I really don't know how long
I was there for, Ronnie, but

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it was just amazing to see and
to speed up the story that was it.

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After that, there was there was
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house, but also and above that, there were many other uforce shake things.

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So that's what got me into the
paranormal. Oh I see this is

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fascinating because when you recount the story
of the noises you heard and these strange

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happenings in your hometown, I will
relate a story of mine. When we

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were toddlers, our mother and us
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in the cottage that was off road, way off road. No one

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was there. It was just us
and our mother, and at night she

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would tuck us up and put the
fire on. It was a huge,

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old cottage, very cold, so
they looked the fires at night, and

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she could hear running up and down, really hear the landing, and she

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was annoyed, and she went upstairs
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and we all wrapped up our beds, fast asleep, and so we hear,

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like your case of the noises.
There was no one there, it

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was, and she swore blind there
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time, very very loud. So
you know, I can quite connect with

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what you're stating as being younger and
a lot of children do seem to experience

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these kinds of things. Also,
the angel, when you said it wasn't

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as dramatic as a nation, I
know what you mean, because the definition

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of an angel is a wholly kind
of trinity with glittering wings. But this

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came in the former year old lady. That is incredible. She came to

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see you to hand back your wallet
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time, and that is amazing.
Now people will, of course put it

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down to coincidence. I don't believe
in coincidences. I think that was an

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incredible kind of quite touching encounter you
have, So I do believe that probably

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was an angel. I have a
number of always some other people. I

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went where here because the sial show
about people who have had these mysterious divisuals

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to interact with them. And the
name I know what you made by bandage

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that's just gone, It disappeared,
you know, So that is what drew

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you into the parallel. Of course
I can understand why you were so invested

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with this when you get older.
It's always when you get oldsen it always

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later on when you want to know
very much so, And going back to

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the thing of the angel as well, there was and I can't remember the

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lady's name, but there was a
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a lady who did a PhD thesis
on angels and their encounters, and it

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was actually very rare for angels to
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white winged with the halos. It's
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come in the form of an older
person. So again I can understand that

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it's debatable and there's gonna be a
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certainly, even from a mathematical point
of view, the fact that she would

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be able to give me that wallet, even if it had just been drown

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a rebay, one of the kids
in front of there, the me,

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thousands of other people waiting about,
it's still very small. Yes, that's

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right. This is this is the
thing about them, you see. I

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mean I have never personally had an
encounter like that myself with an angel,

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law any kind of a department pertaining
to godliness or the haunted, or you

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know, podcast I've never seen any
of them. Philip has at once,

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but too, you've seen an angel. He believes it was an angel.

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It was a man who, to
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like a bronzed guard. He was
huge, muscular, massive, and he

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helped him, He gave him some
advice, and then he disappeared, like

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you said, just he turned around
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for him to go. He was
dressed actually a motorcycled gear and he was

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like massive, and Philip just knew
he wasn't right. He looked more like

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one of those Nordics people describe the
alien lordics. Blonde haired, blue eyed

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beauty is huge. You know,
so that's fascinating about the old lady.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, so
that I feel very privileged to have had

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that sating Ronnie. Not all the
satans and experience of how'd have been Some

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of them have been frightening, for
example from the UFO encounters had been frightening,

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but that one has always given me
comfort. To me many years for

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me to think there's something more to
that than just that old lady giving me

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a wallet. It we rebbe eighteen
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that was unusual, that shouldn't have
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I will interject there and just state
that I had one message from I would

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call it the divine. Although we
can't prove it, we can't touch it,

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we can't measure it, but this
was a sign, like your old

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lady. I was depressed. This
happened when I was in my I believe

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it was early twenties. I was
way depressed, and I was actually weeping

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with Philip out the back. We
had hit on some very bad times,

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very low times. And I'm going
to state this quite clearly. I knew

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it was what we would call God. Now there are people who are against

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that, atheists. I appreciate that
you know this is what I saw.

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But what happened was the sky was
quite clear, there was some cloud covered

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and when I looked up, I
swear to you, I swear to you,

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the clouds had formed the perfect face
of a lion. His eyes,

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his eyes. Philip has published as
he wrote about this some years ago.

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His eyes were open and I could
see the stars peeking through his eyes.

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It took me a moment to realize
it was the perfect face of a lion.

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Is as if God had used the
skies as canvas and it painted or

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whipped up this incredible wild cat.
It was a lion. And I knew

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immediately when I looked up that that
was vine intervention, some kind of divine

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intervention, and it held a message. Well, lions depict majesty, strength,

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patience, courage as many definitions for
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when you say about the lady handing
you the one, when you say there's

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perhaps more to it behind that,
I understand. And it's the only time

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that happened, the only time I
saw that, and it was remark I

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had an experience. It's not as
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I played to Google it just a
month ago or so, and it was

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it was actually I was a member
of the church. I don't attend church

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any longer, but the Hope was
doing a mass in Toronto in two thousand

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and two. Is part of the
world, youty, And again this is

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this is not nowhere near Ronnie your
thing the medical shade. I'm probably going

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to have this day without a large
piece of salt, this one. But

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it was it was just the worst
day there was. They had so many

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people staying in this field and it
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as soon as the Pope essentially came
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it was almost like somebody had got
do you like maybe on those window cleaners,

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and they've got that sort of like
a rubber thing that they just and

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they just liked someone did that.
The sky just cleaned it up. It

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was, it was, it just
seemed to be in minutes. Now again,

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it's nowhere near as miraculous as that. But maybe on this a less

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more, a less exciting version than
than you're win though. Yeah, yes

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that did actually happen, as you're
saying about what you witnessed with the Pope,

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Yes that happened, and it was
remarkable. This was perfore mobile phones.

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This was just perform I would imagine
the mobile phones. We had nothing

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to prove it. Of course,
there was no way we can prove it.

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Even if we had photographed it.
Now they would state that what you've

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used photoshop, it's a trick.
We're aware of all that, and I'm

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not even bothered what people think anyway. The greatest treasure I have is like

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yourself with the lady is in here. It is something I knew there was

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more to it. I'm not saying
it was God. I would imagine it

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would be something to do with some
kind of divinity, some kind of spiritual

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intervention. I don't know because we
can't prove it, but it was supernatural,

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and it was very constructive, very
constructive, and I personally think it

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was godly. Yes I do.
I do. I don't care what people

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think. I think it was godly. I toldly can imagine that suddenly that

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happened. And what I feel is
it's not really the same itself. It's

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actually the sense of Pope gives you
is that there's some sort of really powerful

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good entity there and that you can
almost aligned to it as well. And

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I think I don't know about yourself, but certainly for me, it's almost

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like a little where flash issue.
It's there, it's it's it's tremendously comforting.

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Yes, yes, Now the idea
of this has pushed you even further,

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isn't it with this subject because you're
a gentleman who wishes to know more,

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You want to know the truth,
and you're trying to find ways of

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actually creating some kind of pattern signatures
to this phenomena of the UFOs, especially

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UFOs a UFO interaction with people.
Because you suggested be before about what you

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proposed and I thought it was fascinating
and wonderful. Can you relate this to

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our listeners as you should move along
to tell us what got you into the

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computer side to it as well?
Well? Yeah, so computing. I

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actually work in computing and my day
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provide business intelligence solutions. And business
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it's getting data and be able to
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to to somebody who needs it.
Basically, it's becoming an ever more useful

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skill. Basically, but going back
to the question how do I get in

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computing, I'm at school. I
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a bit a school wasn't for me. And what actually I I didn't really

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I want to want to be able
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start as a postman and at sixteen, and it was my mother who have

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to thank for this. And my
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said, look, you there's nothing
at all being a postman. But you're

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not happy you you need to do
something else. And althought I was really

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reluctant to the thought of going to
college because it isn't for me. I

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hate learning. And I saw they
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and they had something about computer and
had a PowerPoint presentation and even it was

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ninety six, and I thought that
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get into that. So I enrolled
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HNC HND, and then I ended
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a master's in applied computing. So
well done, yes, well done,

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thank you. And then I started
working as a programmer. So I know

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you've done a bit programming, as
I see you're you're really into the retro,

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the sixty four basic, because it's
all purposive body construction goes. Yes,

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I loved it. I'm master that
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grasp that. I understand binary machine
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instruction code for it that bypasses the
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Yes, the retro, I'm intia. Yeah. So I was a

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programmer and then I moved into databases. And database isn't really the most interesting

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aspect, but what's really useful about
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and report on it. So for
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intelligence. And when COVID hit,
I worked for a company that I was

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subcontracted to a bank, and everybody
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staff was. And I had the
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who was logged in, what was
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the bank's best friend because I knew
I knew what was happening, and I

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was able to help them plan and
do whatever they need to do with the

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staff. Yes, and after doing
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we see my reports, I was
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when I'm managing at this business intelligence
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artificial intelligence and looking at weeds at
home, we can actually apply a to

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the alien phenomena. So that's what
that's what I'm doing. Yes, this

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is fascinating. I like that.
And when I was younger, I made

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the mistake of actually assuming today's standards
the acronym of artificial intelligence does mean from

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a business standpoint. When we were
younger, you must understand that artificial intelligence

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meant just that it was intelligence,
because I think we were also indoctrinated with

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science fiction because in science fiction,
issue know the computers could think for themselves.

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We had the film called rollerball,
and they had a machine in there

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called Zero, and he was basically
the fountain of knowledge. As kids,

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of course, you look upon this
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this is phenomenal. It's that he's
rather like your I had to whispered

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Alexa, you have to whisper that. It's rather like that he was like

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that. So, yes, the
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with what you suggested about the cataloging
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in the UFO. And as you
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Yeah, it's there, has a
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about when it comes to EI.
And so this phantom knowledge I would even

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go back to see it probably even
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look at like seeing nineteen twenty seven, there's a movie called Metropolis which was

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supposed to be like a robot.
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and then even probably just the really
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scarecrow in Wizard of Ours. So
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the way that people represent it,
that sort of like non human intelligence even

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probably goes back beyond even what EI
is it's just like and we're a technical

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logical golem for other other words,
the use of AI what we know is

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actually really fascinating. And EI has
really started in the fifties, in the

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mid fifties it really started. So
it was years before it's forty years essentially

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before the Internet, for example,
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when we look at like movies like
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seven, and that was like the
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knowledgeable machine. Yes, even classics
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say have an element of this artificial
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the Scarecrow. Yes, So I
like the term. Again, it's just

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a made up term, the technological
golem, That's why I call it.

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Actually, the way the EI is
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chat GDPs or all the technology that
people talk about nowadays, it's it's nowhere

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near that. That's sort of like
a fountain of knowledge. The media sort

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of give it this this this view
that it's maybe going to awaken and become

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conscious and take the world yes,
that's right. I'm glad. But it

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will eventually we will see that.
I think I do believe it will become

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so advanced we will reach that point. But at the moment, yes,

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yes, yeah, it's it's a
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way I would have to describe bi
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and two parts of this makeup what's
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if you're programming before, you will
see I had a program, or some

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people would call it a script,
but essentially you'd have a program and that

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would do a specific task. But
a model is slightly different. A model

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is you don't necessarily have to program
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And it's made out of two different
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like a platform very much. Yeah, yeah, And that's a over simplification

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because there's many different type of algorithms, but essentially that's all. It is,

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just algorithms that are being used for
quite a while. Now, what

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the magic is is the data.
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we can actually put masters amount of
training data and put it through an

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algorithm. And what we do is
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So almost like if you get water
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cup of tea, that's the data
to water and an algorithm to tea bag.

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And that's exactly what AI is at
the moment. Yes, I think,

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I think that's a wonderful idea.
And what your initial idea was,

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Mark, and I thought it was
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all this artificial intelligence. Let's call
it that, because they are becoming very

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very smart now computers not talking about
the actual hard where we joke about it's

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saying it's as smart as a toaster. But what they can do is absolutely

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incredible. There is no disputing that. There is no disputing they are amazing.

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I always said we need technology,
we must have it. Computers must

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evolve in the right hands. I
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carry on that this complete demonic future
that they've been painting, I agree with

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you about the AI. We haven't
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more than anything. Or as I
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is in their hope that if an
error does occur in the future. You're

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a computer expert, you would know
this. They would have something to blame.

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I mean, the hard text like
this off the programmers, the people

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who are the science of the computers. You would know that's false, but

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they would just stay Oh, it
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AIS down to the programming of the
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they are based on the algorithms,
very smart, very smart programming, it

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is not the computer's fault. But
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of this system being created using these
algorithms or this AI, this artificial let's

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give it the respective assesses. Artificial
intelligence could be used to when you input

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a kind of data about people's experiences
or encounters or sightings on a major scale,

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it can form perhaps possibly as you
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work, some kind of pattern,
some kind of signature that we can recognize.

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Is that right? Yes, the
thing there have to be a few

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caveats, and we need to take
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what I've been looking at in there
since I've last spoken to you, just

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to the audience or running and I
had an occasional chat on escape just in

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the past. And yes, What
is the most important part of the SEAME

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is if you're using artificial intelligence or
using business intelligence, isn't the AI because

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we've all got to remember that AI
is simply a tool. So they're very

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powerful tools, but sometimes, for
example, they're not the tools that are

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the best. Bit. It's like, for example, if you need to

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paint your bedroom, you're not going
to use a GCB motor to do It's

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really powerful, but it's going to
be rubbish at painting your bedroom. And

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it's the same with the I.
What I would say, the first thing

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that we need to do is we
need to come out with questions and try

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to find out what are we trying
to achieve by using AI or any other

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tools. And I'll explain what I
mean by other tools in ament, but

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the key part and the part that
all of us can do is try and

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find out what questions do we want
answered? And if I'm honest with you

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at this at our stage or I
don't think they're going to get much answers.

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What I think we're going to do
is sort of answer something and lead

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that to more questions. But the
fact that we're getting just another step up

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in there, the ladder is that's
the best pattern, Then our grandchildren and

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their grandchildren they will get further and
further, and eventually, over many years,

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will saw this enigma, and AI
and other forms of data analytics are

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going to be a tool that we
used to get it. It's never going

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to be able to install the prompt
for us, but it will be able

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to help us on the journey.
Yes, well, it's just closer towards

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some answers. Yes, I like
the idea. You'll use the word tool.

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I like that because that's what it
will be a tool to help us

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to assist with this enigma, you
know, And this is your idea.

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I think it's wonderful the idea you
have of this. It's very sad,

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isn't it. And you've acknowledged yourself
even now that this is going to take

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time. And I agree with you
completely because the UFO phenomena has been with

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us for not just decades, hundreds
of years, and we are none the

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why, so we seem to go
around and round in circles. I have

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some ideas of my own. They're
only theories, it is not set in

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stone. That's all we have.
But they will be published in a book

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I'm working on Fredi Mantle next year. It's going to be published. I

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am no closer to the truth and
anyone else. I couldn't tell you what

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they are. I have seen,
like yourself, some strange things. They

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are non terrestrial. We know that, no matter what the authorities or people

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who seem to know it all tell
you, they are not of this realm.

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I don't particularly believe they might be
from outer space. I'm not painting

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them all the same brush, but
I think majority something else has intervened.

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There's something else with us. But
certainly this idea you have of AI is

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fascinating and I think it's wonderful.
And I have to explain to our listeners

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that Mark is rising up in this
film because of his intelligence and because of

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his perception of the phenomena his logic
behind it. He just wants to know

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the truth like us, and I
think he should be commended for trying to

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think of ways or fashion methods in
eliminating the obvious and gaining results from using

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this tool, the AI approach.
Well, thank you. I really appreciate

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that one, and I have really
high respect for you and Philip, so

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I'm really really kind for you to
say that it means a lot. Can

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I give you an example of why
I feel that. Yeah, he's never

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going to answer that for us.
Yes, of course, I think this

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is a really good one. And
there's a really good book called in Plain

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Sight by Ross Koltat and the think
in the first chapter he talks about the

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Nimits instinct. And I can't remember
the name of the ship. I think

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it was an Arizona. That might
be wrong, but these this ship had

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when the supports ships that supported the
Nimits battlegroup, Yes, and it kept

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on detecting radar contacts. And it
turned out, over many days and even

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weeks, not only were getting multiple
radar contacts, but they were also getting

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witness sightings. And then at one
point they sent out to two fighter jets

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too f eighteens. Now they ended
up intercepting object that everybody now noticed,

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tik tak. And that's it's a
really famous story about everybody that everybody knows.

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But what mister Coultart does in his
book is say that before the pilots

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left the Nimits, they had orders
to meet at a specific set of coordinates,

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and after they engaged the Nimic,
the tik tak. They flew to

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these coordinates only to find the tik
tak object waiting there for them. Now,

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where I think AI would be really
useful is being able to detect maybe

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hot spots for example, or be
able to help us with our data analysis.

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But only human being is going to
understand the significance of a TikTok object

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waiting at a place and the waason. What I'm saying about the questions is

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how did that TikTok object know to
be there? Because there was no radio

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signals sent between the this battleship and
eighteen. So it raises more questions.

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First of all, it knows that
it's there, and only human human being

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and understand that that Pacific coordinates are
going to be of importance to the But

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over and above that and now raises
questions did they have some sort of telepathy

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or were they able to come back
in time? Yes, because they predicted

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the future. Bly it knew where
they we're going to go. This as

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if they had seen the future or
as you said, mind reading. That's

408
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,039
fascinating. So that's that's why that's
where I see it being is that once

409
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:14,319
we uncover something else or and we
get really good quality data, we'll find

410
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:20,000
out more about about the capabilities of
these of the phenomena. But also hopefully

411
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,440
and what you'd alluded to before,
maybe to some degree, although not completely,

412
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:29,799
some of the intent of the phenomena. That's but I think we're not

413
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:37,119
just but data analytics and look at
data can help us just move us along

414
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,599
in there that field, if it's
at all anything like that would be useful

415
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,039
or would be a benefit to us. You know, what is what you've

416
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:49,759
suggested is a marvelous idea. And
you see the thing is the tik tak

417
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,720
guess. I mean, we don't
know what it is. None of us

418
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,359
can explain what that was. I
mean, I was actually quite amazed,

419
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,799
said to release this information. I
couldn't believe it because in a way,

420
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,240
in a way, it's an admission
to something we don't know. I know,

421
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:08,760
I've had the report. They published
the disclosure, but it wasn't really

422
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,960
disclosure. It was a pitifully weak
attempt to try and dissolve a lot of

423
00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:22,920
propaganda. But there was the mention
that it could be non terrestrial. But

424
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,000
I want to ask you, while
we're on the subjects, it's very fascinating

425
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:32,239
what are your opinions of time travel? Do you believe? I just want

426
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,440
to ask you, you know,
because we mentioned time, what is your

427
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,039
own opinions of times Do you think
it's possible or not? Hope if I

428
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,079
start off where I think it's more
likely, and then I'll go more into

429
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:52,440
march temporial hat world. Yes,
I plain just a by way. I

430
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,039
think this the honest answers that really
don't know, and I don't think anybody

431
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,559
else does. However, I have
been looking at the paranormal of very long

432
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:07,360
time, and one thing that does
occasionally come out with it's got a time

433
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,880
slip where people seem to go back
in time. And I've even spoken to

434
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,880
a couple of people through through the
years who have said they have actually witnessed

435
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:22,679
temporarily going back in time. And
some of these people are One person in

436
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:30,400
particular is somebody I know very well
and trusted, and I generally believe that

437
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:34,119
if you can trust people like that, that there was some form of time

438
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,760
travel. And it may not have
been time travel itself, it may be

439
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:45,440
some sort of illusion, it certainly
does show that there's some sort of possibility.

440
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,000
And I don't know if you remember
in the nineties a TV show called

441
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,880
Strange but True with Mike Lastpell.
Not particularly No, I don't think I

442
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,800
watched that, but I think I
have heard of that. Yes, it

443
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,760
was. I loved it. And
one of the things that talked about time

444
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,920
slips was a couple of holiday holidaying
in France and the couple's reports it was

445
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,159
they meant I think it was in
the seventies that happened, but they essentially

446
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,639
reported going back in time. But
they seem to have interaction with the people

447
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:22,239
of that time, and that account
would be suggestive that there was some form

448
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:28,280
of time travel. Yes, however, so I'm open to the possibility,

449
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,119
and certainly these sort of encounters certainly
suggest that there's some form of time travel

450
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:37,920
there. What I will say,
and this is going into Mark timpoile Heart

451
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:47,280
territory. I have had a number
of encounters of of the phenomenon myself in

452
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,480
the sky and the one that said
about before in ninety one, there was

453
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,840
maybe about there's been about twenty to
thirty sightings, but there's been about five

454
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,079
or six that are unusually intense where
maybe the phenom and I got quite close

455
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:07,199
or it was incredibly bright and the
most intense by far was one in nineteen

456
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:12,679
nineteen nine. And it's okay just
to go into this very briefly, and

457
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,719
I'll tell you why. With the
house where I lived in, there was

458
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,440
an old I wasn't a waste ground, but I was just it was called

459
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,480
the field, and it hud I
was just abandoned, so just nature taking

460
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:28,719
over. And it was a great
place as a child to playing, becaus

461
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,760
I had a place like that myself
as well. Yes, And I got

462
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,280
this really really strong feeling, Ronnie. I get them from time to time,

463
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
and I call it the spidy sense, so like from Spider Man,

464
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:44,000
I just psychic sense that something's going
to happen. I got this really strong

465
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:49,239
feeling to say, there's something about
to happen. And I put the dog

466
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,199
back and I went back the field
myself. And I can't remember too much

467
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:59,519
about the initial for seconds, but
the entire sky, one part of it

468
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:04,880
turned this like purplish blue, and
the other side turned this like pinkish red,

469
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:10,920
and then a white light. Now
I listened to Terry Lovelace Laser's Encounter

470
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:19,320
at the Devil's Den Milky Milky Laser, and that was the best description of

471
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,440
it. That I've ever had.
Hour just called it like a light,

472
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:25,239
but it was kind of like this
little, this white light that just just

473
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,719
was right over just in the middle. But in terms of time travel,

474
00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:36,960
what was really interesting was it felt
like reality. It wasn't melting. I

475
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,519
know that sounds silly, but it
just didn't feel that anything was real.

476
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,000
So it's really hard to describe,
but maybe imagine being a dream. It's

477
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:52,719
more a dream than reality. And
what was really unusual was that if you

478
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,320
were seeing David Attenburg's programs, it's
maybe doing that thing like Life of Plants

479
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,239
sees it something of a seedling and
it grows up to being a tree next

480
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:06,119
to me. To see the clouds
in the in the background going really really

481
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,480
fast to show the days of going
a lot quicker, the clouds were doing

482
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:15,440
exactly that in my encounter. They
were just moving incredibly fast, so like

483
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:22,320
almost like you remember the time machine
from HG were else, Yeah, and

484
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,159
it was that. It was it
was so frightening, Ronnie. I just

485
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,760
had to get out there out of
that field. But the reason why I'm

486
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,280
saying this is if that was the
clouds moving a lot faster, because it

487
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,840
wasn't that they were moving faster,
but time was going faster. There's maybe

488
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:46,599
a suggestive element to say time and
space are not as as fixed as we

489
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,840
perceive them. But again, I've
got to stay this is just my opinion,

490
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,960
and it is a bit tnfolly hatty
as well. No, I absolutely

491
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,960
find that fascinating because this is the
problem with time travel as we're into the

492
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,199
computer kind of realm and the UFOs. It's the fact that what confounds me

493
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,159
about this time travel is that time
doesn't exist. It's not real. Only

494
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:14,199
the moment is real. But I
agree with you, there is something because

495
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,400
I had foresight. I published this
in a book a few years ago.

496
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:21,920
What happened an incident, which was
true. The gentleman I had proof because

497
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,639
he was on the other side.
He was in New York. I was

498
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,679
here. I saw a piece of
the future as a weak fragment, and

499
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,920
it was exactly as it was.
I didn't know at the time it was

500
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,320
the future. I had no idea. It came as visions and sensations.

501
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,480
It was only the next day that
he confirmed this. He showed me photographs

502
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,079
of what I had told him.
I'd seen so in a way estensively speaking,

503
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,559
in a weak kind of manner.
I had seen the future, So

504
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,480
is that time traveling using the mind? So this is what completely confuses me.

505
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,960
One moment, I keep saying time
travel is not possible, and yet

506
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,599
another I'm absolutely blown by people.
As you said, the time slips.

507
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,119
That was a time slip for the
future, and I had seen this again,

508
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,239
I even and I will state this
on radio because I tell you the

509
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,000
truth, the same thing happened.
I was with Philip up here and I

510
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,519
just had this feeling that Nicholas Sturgeon
would resign. I was not influenced by

511
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:22,199
the news. I was not influenced
by anything. I didn't know she was

512
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,639
going to resign. I just had
this feeling, and I said to Philip,

513
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,840
I think Nicholas Sturgeon is going to
resign. I didn't know about all

514
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,000
the other affairs. Will respect that. I won't mention that. I just

515
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,920
saw her resigning. I forgot all
about her. The next morning she resigned.

516
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,679
She handed in her resignation. So
there is something. You know,

517
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:45,440
we fancified with machines, with devices
that are able to thrust us into another

518
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,280
time set, but this was the
mind. So it just confounds me.

519
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,960
I just wanted to ask your opinions. And well, actually, going back

520
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,960
to what I said at the start, I used to have those dreams.

521
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,159
And again, you a lot of
the audience and a lot of people who

522
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,480
are listening, are I've said after
the same thing, if I had dreams

523
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,760
that have happened in the future,
Yes, these were dreams. They were

524
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,239
waking. I was there. I
could see it as I was walking to

525
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,079
them. So this is what I'm
seeing as I'm awake. So and it

526
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:22,079
were so strong I had to give
it out as I did the gentleman like

527
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:23,719
the sand all this sound. I
kept seeing all this sound with him.

528
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,880
He was in New York. I
didn't know him. I've never met William.

529
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,280
I was talking with him and I
kept saying, I keep seeing the

530
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,360
sound. I nearly passed it up, but it was so strong. I

531
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,719
said to him, does this mean
anything to you? No? No,

532
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,840
it was Monday. He sent me
photographs of miles of sad way had to

533
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,920
work. He said, you're not
going to believe this. He sent me

534
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,079
three images and he said, it's
never worked sound before. So you see

535
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,199
what I mean. It's really weird. Some may put it down again to

536
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,679
coincidence, but if we go down
to the coincidence coincidence, you gain nothing.

537
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,199
This is not coincidence. You just
know, yes, you just know

538
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,280
there some Yeah, there is unware
of your laugh. This is it.

539
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,400
This is going back a bit.
Do you remember Paul McKenna from the nineties,

540
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,199
Yes, Paul McKenna in ninety three, so thirty years ago Crocy book

541
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:15,119
called The Hymnaughtic World of Paul McKenna, and he talked about a guy called

542
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,840
doctor Chet Snow And I don't know
either. I've tried to look him on

543
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,960
Google and remember seeing something but it
was quite vague. But Paul McKenna anyway

544
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,719
was really engrossed with his work,
and he did past life regressions, but

545
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,519
over and above that it was did
future life regressions. And I don't know

546
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,039
whether it's come true or not.
Certainly thirty years on, i'd like to

547
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,719
hear Paul mckenner's thoughts about it.
Now. There's many people that seem to

548
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,280
have done past life regression or future
life aggression now, especially if it's something

549
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,679
about the future that will suggest there
is an ant of time travel because the

550
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:59,760
thing hasn't happened yet, but you
perceived it. Essentially it's almost the information

551
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,360
has come back to you. So
yeah, I really don't know what.

552
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,679
I'm barely open to the possibility.
Especially they as like to me of us,

553
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,480
we've had the dreams, and there's
something I've always felt, there's a

554
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:19,440
uniqueness, almost like a specific stamp
to every moment. Yes, yes,

555
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,440
yea yeah. But the thing is
with the future is that I mean,

556
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:27,760
it's so it's it's this is billions
of variables. It's unpredicted, it is

557
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,840
not set in stone. I mean, I mean people talk about the Mandela

558
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,760
effect, you know, when certain
things have been changed and they knew they

559
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,280
were set at the time and they're
different now. I don't know what to

560
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,960
make of that. It's possible.
We had to tread carefully with time travel.

561
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:45,320
I denounced it to begin with.
I admitted I denounced it. I

562
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,320
thought it's not possible. But this
has confounded me, because do you know,

563
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,599
with this paradox, this this phenomena, you will find I think you

564
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:58,760
may have found this too, that
when you are so set on an opinion,

565
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:02,159
personally personal opinions, yours and my
opinions, or we have to respect

566
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:07,320
them as I respect yours, I
know you respect mine. There's always something

567
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,760
that comes along and pulls them right
from under your feet, isn't there There's

568
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,960
something that says no, no,
no no. You tread like me,

569
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,320
you know, you tread very carefully. Listen to me, because I was

570
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,000
denouncing it, and I kept thinking
this other terrible thing kept niggling, thinking,

571
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:24,880
well, it doesn't quite make any
sense, it doesn't add up.

572
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,480
So I'm like yourself, Mark,
I have to be very careful. I'm

573
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,159
not sure. But there's something too, it isn't there, Maybe not time

574
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:37,400
itself. There's something else what interested
me. It's what you stated. Now

575
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,559
this interested me because I've been writing
about this is about reality. You said

576
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,880
it's as if it was melting,
as if it wasn't real. At that

577
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,159
point when you were in that waste
land, when you were lying there,

578
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,480
you saw it as if it wasn't
real. That's fascinating. The last went

579
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:57,760
back Putter. Listen to EA and
I can't remember the end of the book,

580
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,360
but there's a chap who's been speaking
to Google, for example, and

581
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:10,480
he's talking about reality being some sort
of advanced AI style virtual virtual reality.

582
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:19,679
And yes, I'm personally not really
for that that that paradigm because Essentially,

583
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,599
what they're doing is doing something that
like say, for example, of Eastern

584
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:28,639
texts are being seen for thousand,
thousands of years and adding things like nonfable

585
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,199
characters to the to the theory.
So yes, I think it's a rehash

586
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,400
of a very old theory basically,
so yes. But certainly even there has

587
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,679
been talks about that for from from
many different religious scripts that reality is an

588
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:47,119
illusion, and in that moment,
it very much felt like an illusion at

589
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:51,280
that time, Yes, But then
when we go to the person, I

590
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,719
mean everything is made up of atom
speaking, they called it the holographic world,

591
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,840
the holographic universe some people. I
mean, we have to a pre

592
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,519
shape that I know, everything's more
physical to us here because it's based on

593
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,639
the frequency that we are attuned to. Basically, so who's to argue that,

594
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,440
I don't know. But you know, when we look at that kind

595
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,599
of thing, you know, we're
still very very infantile compared to the cosmos.

596
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:21,480
Because I stated that the whole universe
is like an atom. When you

597
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,400
look at the sun, the star, it is the nucleos. Then you

598
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,920
have the protons and newtons running around
it. I know they go different ways,

599
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,599
but the basic idea is we all
turn everything is in motion. Everything

600
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,480
everything is in motion, right down
to the smallest subatomic particle. We are

601
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:45,079
always moving. Where this is what
the physical universe means. So perhaps something

602
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:51,079
is intervening with us or connecting with
us, that their complete concept of the

603
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,960
atomic structure is so different. They
only attain that when they enter our realm,

604
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,480
they become corporeal, they become physical, They attuned to our vibration,

605
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,519
whereas these things, like you said
about what you saw in the wasteland was

606
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:12,679
something that could have completely disseminated the
whole thing using a technology or using physics,

607
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,119
or being part of a world that
we could hardly even begin to dream

608
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:22,800
of. You it's I love bashing
ideas out concepts, ideas because like yourself,

609
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,239
I'm striving to try and understand.
I do not believe in a federation.

610
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,159
I don't believe in anything like that. I have to be careful.

611
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,719
This is my own opinion. I'm
not offending anyone. I just have to

612
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400
explain to our listeners. I would
not offend anyone. This is just a

613
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,239
personal opinion. If I'm wrong,
I'm wrong. But I don't attest to

614
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,440
the fact of a federation or any
kind of beings that are here to help

615
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,280
us, because there's been absolutely no
proven they've done nothing. We keep reading

616
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,360
these comments about people suggesting that they're
here for the better, but they are

617
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,440
not. They've done nothing. We
are basically on our own. We have

618
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,800
something whether us. There are things
with us. We don't know whether they're

619
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,519
good or bad. You know this
is the thing, but your idea mark

620
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,719
of this tool being used to perhaps
give us some insight, it is wonderful

621
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,960
and it is sad. What you
stated was quite clear cut and very realistic.

622
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960
We're not going to know in this
time, but our children and our

623
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:27,960
children's children may become wiser to this
phenomena been here for a long time.

624
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:35,480
The one thing I would see is
when we're talking about going back to here

625
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,920
the limits, and as you said
before, they kind of hushed it up

626
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,599
afterwards, and then last week,
so we're recording on the twenty sixth of

627
00:49:44,679 --> 00:49:51,800
April twenty and twenty three, and
last week the arrow there, who's all

628
00:49:52,239 --> 00:50:00,719
something a normally organization kind remember what
it is, went to Congress and said

629
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,679
that they're having a data driven approach
to look at ups and UFOs, And

630
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,559
I'm looking at nowadays is looking at
data driven, and the way I see

631
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:14,760
it is almost like being a policement, and a policement will say to you,

632
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,760
I don't want to hear what you
thought about this, I want to

633
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,519
hear the facts. And I think
that's how we use data and AI as

634
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:29,199
part of that to do to get
more insights. And then what we do

635
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,199
is we get these sort of incidents
and then we find out that it's the

636
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,599
phenomena has done something like being in
a location sixty miles away where we're meant

637
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:43,480
to be. That's where we get
But going back to the thing about being

638
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:50,880
data driven and about not knowing about
trying to work on how to how to

639
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:57,760
get there, you're absolutely right because
the phenomena keeps on changing. And one

640
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,400
thing that's really interesting is I'm not
joking. Everybody can google this themselves.

641
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:09,320
People actually use ufold data for data
science and occasionally you'll see even the media

642
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,599
coming over and saying, oh,
data scientists have said this about UFOLD data.

643
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,719
What it's actually come from is that
a new FORAC or organization in the

644
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,159
States, and I think even move
on of data as well. The data

645
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,199
set they're published. Yes, it's
all the ninety thousand sightings, and what

646
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:36,440
you see is not only changes in
the reports of different types of objects,

647
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,440
but as the years have gone by, the recitings have changed. So say,

648
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,960
for example, back in the forties
and the fifties, the social shape

649
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,239
was really popular the nineties of the
triangle, and I was looking at the

650
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,639
some people's reports and the data set, and now the more popular sightings are

651
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,800
just either the things changing or it's
a light really hard to classify, but

652
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,679
also sees that the phenomena seems to
be changing. And because also the fact

653
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,280
that there are a lot of misidentifications
and I'm will putting my hands up to

654
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,840
say I've misidentified many times and I've
had to think about it and then go

655
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,079
back and realize I have misidentified.
But it's really easy to do. So

656
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:28,119
a lot of cited our misidentifications.
Yes, where I think is I don't

657
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,519
think that we should throw out sitings
as because it still thinks a really valuable

658
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:35,599
data set and there are things that
we can do to make it better.

659
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:39,079
But what you're saying about trying to
get insects into the phenomena, I think

660
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:45,000
there's one data set that we really
overlook a lot of the time, and

661
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:50,039
that's us us as human beings,
because we might not know what the phenomena's

662
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,480
intentions are. But what we can
do is see how it's affected us,

663
00:52:54,280 --> 00:53:02,599
and that's physically psychologically and even how
to change our character. And nowadays we

664
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:07,559
have that data. We have social
media data for example, and we even

665
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,800
have things like fitbits for example,
and yes, in the case of Terry

666
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,039
Lovelace, yes that was very handy
actually his fit yes, yes, yeah,

667
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,880
So what I was thinking about social
media is it's trying to get almost

668
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,119
like a user, a profile,
an experience or profile based on social media

669
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:30,400
data. And again before the i'd
have distress that they be every ethical,

670
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,480
legal, and even compassionate guidelines being
put in place when we're doing that sort

671
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,400
of data. Yes, but what
we could see is I'd like to see

672
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,079
if there's a difference of people tend
to be into the environment, for example,

673
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,440
or seem to be creative, or
or is there depression or is their

674
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,639
fear, or if people seem to
have seemed to be liking things about or

675
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,519
or in groups about things about illnesses
for example, Like marketers use social media

676
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,679
data profile on us. If we
can get a profile and an experience is

677
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,239
we can maybe get to some small
degree an understanding of the intent of the

678
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,639
phenomena based on how we interact with
it. I think that's probably our richest

679
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,639
and probably a cheapest and also a
most under untapped the assortment it comes to

680
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,960
the phenomena. Yes, you stated
this before to me, Yes, the

681
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:30,960
reactions and the aftermath of them.
Certainly when I saw mine only once then,

682
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,960
but I don't think they were what
they appeared to be. As only

683
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,599
later on in life that you get
wiser and you think, well, there's

684
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,559
something behind all that they weren't as
they were. They weren't plucking out pieces

685
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:45,960
of fear. You'll see things that
I've feared, doctors, cheshire cats,

686
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:50,000
cats, things that they plucked them
out and use them against me, some

687
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,559
kind of weapon fear. I don't
know. I'm looking into it, but

688
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,800
I don't believe they were all.
Yes, But after that, certainly I

689
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,960
was fearful and paranoid for a while, A very very fearful at night because

690
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
I kept the light on, or
I kept propping things against the door.

691
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,480
Even though they took the two the
ceiling, it had overall scars. It

692
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,280
left me, but it became creative. Now, I can't say if I

693
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,719
was creative before or after. I
think I was creative before. I don't

694
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,800
think that caused creation. I could
be wrong, but I was creative before

695
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:27,519
that. So I don't know how
to answer that. And I'd actually trusted

696
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:29,880
them to be what they were at
the time. I didn't think they were

697
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,639
aliens. Remember in ninety to two. Even then, these weren't fixed,

698
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:36,639
the grades weren't fixed. They were
not fashionable. I didn't know what they

699
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:38,559
were. I wasn't interested in them, really, but they were appeared as

700
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:45,440
doctors. So this was used or
utilized in a manner of generating fear of

701
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:52,639
being apprehended in albeit not a nasty
way, but they were forceful. So

702
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,960
as for the effects, I think
I was too young. But there again,

703
00:55:55,039 --> 00:56:00,159
children are smart because they can tell
you how they feel. Oh,

704
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:06,599
you the parents can understand the differences
in traits or behaviors. That's very good

705
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:08,039
what you suggested. I think there's
I think there's a lot to this.

706
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,079
Now, I'm going to be completely
honest with the I when people talk about

707
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,960
it, I think there's a bit
of a this is all super fanciful,

708
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,039
and people will say they're leaving nowadays, say we're using EI to do this

709
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:27,079
or to do that. And what
I would say is that when it comes

710
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,559
to this approach, it's actually quite
boring because what you have to do you

711
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,360
have to look at the data and
then think, right, is that algorithm

712
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,000
works? No, I don't know. And then and you have to look

713
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,400
through over and over and over again
just to get insights. It's it's these

714
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,840
people are actually called data scientists.
And I'll give you a laugh. There's

715
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:49,000
a there's a UFO company in New
York scoring Enigma Labs, and they're looking

716
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,239
for a data scientist. They're paying
up to two hundred and fifteen thousand dollars

717
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:59,559
and it's to study UFO data.
So if if they're listening today, Hi,

718
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,320
yes, yes, you'll be a
perfect man for it. I tell

719
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,639
you my knowlogy, I think so. I think you're you're very analytical in

720
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:15,000
a respected manner because you you look
at data. You're you're a programmer anywhere

721
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,920
you know about computers. But your
your methods are the tools you suggested.

722
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,199
Will be the ideal candidate for it
because you could tell them no, this

723
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,480
is not right, that's right,
this looks feasible, that doesn't look feasible,

724
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:28,840
you know, things like that.
We are drawing to a close,

725
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,639
you know, we go so quick
the hour mark. It's been wonderful.

726
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:37,079
We're drawing to a close. But
what we have discussed today is absolutely amazing,

727
00:57:37,079 --> 00:57:39,800
and I am so grateful. I
have to thank you for relaying your

728
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:47,280
past childhood. What infused you to
become involved in the UFO a paradox,

729
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:51,880
and will call it that because we
have no understanding what they are. I

730
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,400
mean, you will have people,
as we say, who will know what

731
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,159
planet they come from, what species
they are, what kind of model ships?

732
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,719
Say, we will leave that all
behind. I think we'll just need

733
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,960
that because we don't know what we're
diding with. There is something here with

734
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:07,519
us, most definitely, absolutely there
have been encounters. I believe that people

735
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:10,039
who have seen the since generally have
seen what they envisioned or they saw.

736
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,719
Just aside with the doctors, I
hadn't seen them again that was natinated.

737
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,199
So I have seen the UFOs.
I've seen nothing now since twenty and sixteen,

738
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,559
it's gone dead. Nothing, absolutely
nothing seems last time I saw a

739
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:25,599
UFO, and that that's a story
for another day. I can just very

740
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:31,239
briefly tell you a story about my
fear with UFOs I had. Now,

741
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:36,519
I think I've had some small encounters. And where mean small encounters, I

742
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,360
mean like maybe stars moving stars.
Now before you think satellites, these would

743
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,000
do unusual maneuvers like they come down, like they come down and go back

744
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,039
up, or there'd be a fleet
of them. And this is year before

745
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:51,519
skyling and the woman actively skyling did, so they're not. But the second

746
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,480
encounter was I was just turned seventeen. I was ninety six, and I

747
00:58:58,119 --> 00:59:02,360
very briefly I saw it was like
imagine a chimney of smoke, and then

748
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,559
imagine the smoke just condensed into a
small cloud about twenty feet above the air,

749
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:10,679
and imagine the way like smoke is
like in the wind it goes.

750
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,360
Really that's up, going really quickly. I was doing that, but going

751
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:20,000
in different different shapes, going all
over the place. It wasn't like the

752
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,119
way the wind would would move it
in just one direction, going in many

753
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,159
different directions incredibly ratically. And there
was no wind. It was a really

754
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,280
quiet night. I took the dog
out, walked around. I saw it,

755
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,480
looked at it, and didn't seem
to notice me. Then next night

756
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,400
I did the same. It was
there and it did notice me, paid

757
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,719
attention to me, for sure,
and it ballowed me down the street.

758
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,119
And as it followed me down the
street, it started to change and all

759
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,960
the like the discurity lights would start
to go off, and all the neighbors

760
00:59:53,639 --> 00:59:57,320
on the neighbor's houses, now there
wasn't many of them because still ninety six,

761
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,960
but still a few. And when
I was closer and closer to the

762
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,440
house, and this had lasted for
about ten minutes or so, and it

763
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:09,000
would let out beams of like not
in a threatening wehere, like a laser,

764
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:13,880
just like mainly like a torch,
for example. And it kept on

765
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,239
changing, and by the time we
got to my house, I actually turned

766
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,239
into a number of small, little
like balls. And then they'll contract and

767
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,000
then expand, and they'll get brighter
and they get darker. And I wasn't

768
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:28,920
scared then, but I went to
the house and they almost seemed like they're

769
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,599
going to come into the garden,
and I got really frightened then, and

770
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:35,679
around the house came out they start
doing the thing again. I thought this

771
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,679
is too much for me, and
then I ran back in and the neighbors

772
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:45,599
like doing secret light went out for
three or four days, and every time

773
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:50,679
I left the house, I was
petrified because that's scret light was going out

774
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,239
erratically. This is only where a
human we'll be able to figure this out.

775
01:00:53,679 --> 01:00:59,280
I only figure this out about two
months ago. Every encounter I ever

776
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,199
had with you afterwards, they always
kept the distance. It never got that

777
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,719
close. So for me, anyway, that suggests that and again you were

778
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,920
aware you were frightened. Yes,
yes, and that's what that's my take.

779
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,679
So, and that's where the beauty
of being data driven is we get

780
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,400
these accounts, we get strong accounts, and then we find out these things

781
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,960
to show the intent. And that's
where I think the future of your apologies.

782
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,079
But I also see where the fear
wasn't involved. Very fascinating. Well,

783
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,239
that we're coming to the end of
it. And you've been listening to

784
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,199
Mark Anderson a wonderful chat. Myself
and Mark have had a computer programer,

785
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:46,119
brilliant gentleman. He's also doing fair
few talks, and no doubt I think

786
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:51,559
you'll be writing a book soon.
Jeffrey plans to write a book. I've

787
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,280
got time. I'm The next thing
I'm going to be interested is mental health

788
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,280
and I'm strange to be a counselor, so if I've got the time,

789
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,320
I will be the good Lord.
You have a lot on your plate,

790
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,840
but I think you're a fascinating and
wonderful gentleman, and I think what you've

791
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,360
suggested is absolutely fascinating. Good luck
with your talk. You'll be meeting Malcolm

792
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,119
Robinson and Alison Dunlob. Yes,
and also I think what you're suggesting is

793
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:19,480
wonderful and we will certainly have you
one again with Philip hopefully next time.

794
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,239
I'm sorry, ladies, chaps to
pop out to season clients so he can't

795
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:29,400
be here as he had planned because
it's spoken to Mark earlier today or communicated

796
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,519
with him. But thank you very
much. Mark, there's been a fascinating

797
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:36,719
topic. Thank you for sharing your
views. They're much appreciated. And ladies

798
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,440
and gentlemen, you've been listening to
the pa UK Radio Network, your host

799
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:45,119
ronaldkin Seller. Stay safe and keep
watching the skies or if you say anything,

800
01:02:45,320 --> 01:03:08,199
running as far away as you can
because as the