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What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to season three, episode five.

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I think counting all the lives we've
done, get it together, man

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of clips, and I'm frazzled.
These midweek holidays have me thrown off.

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We hope everyone had a great fourth. I am Chuck Mockler, joined by

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Will Updyke and Adam Oslin coming us
from his friend's place in NorCal. It's

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gonna be a good time today.
We're talking about the Clippers have lost what

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they've gained. It's been a whirlwind
since last weekend's weekend of lives. I

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feel like we had after the Paul
George and the James Harden stuff, before

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we get into the new guys,
before we didn't get into what might be

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next. Adam, will how you
guys doing? How was your fourth?

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Will you go first? I had
a great fourth? I saw you actually,

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So that was pretty Uh that was
a pretty good time. Uh,

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not beating the do they live together
allegations? But no, it was great.

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You know, It's I wonder.
It kind of had me thinking,

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like I was remembering that Fourth of
July, obviously the most notorious in Clippers

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fan history, and I was just
kind of thinking to myself, like what

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what is that next domino going to
be for the Clippers? Like what is

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that? Are they going to end
up making, you know, a big

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swing this summer or is it going
to be a situation where we're going to

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have to wait a little while to
acquire another big free agent? Like that?

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Interesting waited? I was not thinking
about the Clippers at all. Yesterday

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I had grill master, responsiblity visual, I was. I was very casual

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yesterday. I had to focus on
the grill and I think everyone at the

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barbecue was, now you uh it, Adam, how is your fourth?

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That was pretty good. I put
down the smoke bombs and the sparklers and

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let the kids handle that stuff and
just watch and observe from a distance,

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a safe distance. Nobody lost a
hand. Nobody lost a hand. One

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of my buddies did blow up his
hand one time in Mexico, but just

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got on some morphine, started talking
ship to everybody while he was on it,

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and then eventually healed and eighties.
He had a string. But we

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gotta be careful. But it uh, it's weird and nostalgic. And I'm

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up in NorCal you know where I'm
from, And Sacramento. So I've had

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time to kind of ruminate a little
bit too and decompress after the fast and

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furious type of Clippers weekend we had
with those four shows we did in three

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days, all lives last week.
If you missed any of them, check

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ab out. We had it covered
the whole situation with Paul Georgia Moore.

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Yeah, we covered, I mean
extensively everything that we know so far about

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free agency. So if you if
you if you need a ketchup or a

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refresher, I would recommend checking those
out, Yes, and you can find

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those at YouTube dot com, slash
at Clippers podcast or anywhere you listen to

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podcasts. So now that's kind of
what we were gonna tile. First.

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Where the Clippers stand if you're just
a casual deciding to listen for the first

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time. The Clippers have lost Mason
Plumbley. PJ. Tucker doesn't see long

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for the roster, Russell Westbrook,
there's a pending trade. They're trying to

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find a team to take Russell Westbrook
right now to also help facilitate this Chris

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Dunn deal. It's easy's going to
the Russ stands right, It shouldn't be

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hard to find the guy to replace
what is his four and a half million

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dollar contract or five million dollars that
he opted into, likely because there weren't

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gonna be any other offers out there, which is pretty wild at this point.

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I know he's turning thirty six,
but maybe the rest of the league

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was also watching the playoff series where
he went eight for forty two the last

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five games. It was very unfortunate, and I like Russ, but I

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there's no way to explain away what
happened. I guess the Dallas Mavericks easily

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and really what he's been throughout his
playoff career, but it's it's tough right

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now. I guess to find that
landing spot. Yeah, I mean,

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I think like this is the I
feel like we always get hit with the

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he you know, Tylo didn't use
him in the right way. You know,

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he was forced to try to play
a different stile of play, and

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I think if you look at the
number of suitors out there in the league,

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I mean, it feels pretty apparent
that it's a puzzle piece that nobody

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is thinking is going to really be
able to compliment the team at this juncture.

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Otherwise, I don't see any reason
why he wouldn't be able to snag

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a minimum offer from another team.
And that's and supposedly it's the Nuggets who

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have apparently Jokic wants Russell Westbrook,
which go off King, I would love

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what if the Nuggets got Russell Westbrook. Mostly if they can make it work

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with Russell Westbrook, more power to
them. Sure, I will wait with

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to see how that will go.
I agree. So that's yeah. So

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supposedly the Clippers the Chris Dun deal
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The deal is the done deal of
done deal? Well, I think I

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think the lob of the jam will
be the first one to know. Go

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show them some love on Twitter too. Chaff had to be excited. Then,

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of course Paul George went to the
seventy six ers. The Clippers have

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gained Derek Jones, Junior, Mobamba, Nick batoom is back. We talked

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on Chris Dunn, Kevin Porter Junior
probably not gonna do anything for this team.

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And then there's a maybe gained guy
that I wanted to talk about.

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After we kind of talk about,
you know, the guys that we've gained.

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We haven't really all talked about this
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the moves have been like cemented Adam
Howe. I mean, the more I

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kind of read into the Derek Jones
Junior stuff, I'm very excited to see

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what he looks like in the starting
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Yeah, I think it's a great
signing. I don't know if it was

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a coincidence or not that you lose
Paul George and then bring in the guy

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that locked him down and held him
to nineteen points per game and taking only

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fifteen shots in that series against the
Dallas Mavericks. He was the best defender

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on the floor for both teams when
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It was really just Game four,
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Paul George really got loose offensively at
a really efficient rate. So the one

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thing I'll say about Derek Jones Junior, I do like the signing overall very

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much because it looks like to me
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And I went back and we talked
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bad the Clippers were shockingly batted on
the defensive end, considering they ended up

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being the four seed in the Western
Conference because their offense was so elite and

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overpowering and outstanding once things started to
roll with James Harden, but the last

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seventy games of the season, guys, So minus the first twelve, the

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Clippers were twenty first defensively the last
seventy games of the season, and there

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were moments, and obviously I don't
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of the playoff series. I did
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were much better. It was offensively
where they couldn't get much going against the

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Dallas Mavericks defense, but still they
should always be better than that how they

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had on the team. So I
was on with Doug Gottlieb on Fox Sports

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Radio yesterday talking about the move,
and he kind of pushed back when I

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said, look, they're trying to
build a defensive identity here. They're doing

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basically the best they can having lost
Paul George, as he said, well,

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they're no longer a contender, and
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they are at this point. But
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Jones, Junior, Nicholas Batoum,
and Chris Dunn, you can at least

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have much more of an identity,
a defensive identity out there than they had

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all of last season. I don't
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up that bad for that long of
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defensively with the type of personnel they
have now with those point of attack defenders.

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The one thing though about Derek Jones
Junior is, guys, I think

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some of what he did in the
playoffs three point shooting wise, has to

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translate now to the regular season because
if you look at his overall numbers in

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his career from three, he is
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So he shot thirty four percent in
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Dallas Mavericks. That's still below league
average. But in the playoffs he was

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about thirty seven percent and was much
better throughout the Western Conference runs of the

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finals, where then the numbers kind
of fell off. But I want to

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say he only took it was a
low volume, about sixty five to three

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pointers throughout their playoff run, so
it wasn't huge. You can't put a

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ton into that, but what you
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if guys are gonna leave him open
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gonna make teams pay now in the
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to league average. He's got to
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for the Clippers for this really to
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of move. I think, yeah, I'm hoping. Wow, I don't

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realize it was that low, but
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really does need to be close to
leave average. I knew he wasn't exactly

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a knockdown shooter. Yeah, you
mentioned the defense thing. I saw a

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stat on Twitter that he guarded uh
the number one like the opponent's team scoring

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ball handler. He was number one
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them percentage wise over the season in
the NBA. So he's used to tough

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assignments. You know. It's not
like they were giving that to Luker Kyrie

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for the MAVs. So he's used
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sense. And this also with Terrence
Man and with Derek Jones. This is

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just another guy to help out Kawhi
Leonard in terms of not having to be

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on the number one option the entire
game, which I'm pretty hyped for.

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Yeah, he also brings youth and
bounced to the to the team, which

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is like, you know, the
youth thing was something that was just achingly

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apparent for this team during the regular
season. The way they sort of limped

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out of the All Star break,
you know it, it was just you

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saw time and time again, like
you know, just effort and pace could

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could really sort of put this team
on the ropes, pat them on their

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heels, even with the immense amount
of talent on this team, and you

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know, they could climb out of
it at times. But just being able

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to, you know, insert a
little bit of youthful energy into that starting

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lineup I think is I think is
huge. And did we get Derek Jones

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Junior on a slight overpay? I
mean yeah, I think so. I

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think we only in total offered him
like three million more than the MAVs.

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I think he was offered three for
twenty seven. We gave him three for

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thirty. So it's you know,
like a slight overpay to take him from

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a contender. But if he could
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if he's even a thirty six percent
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I mean, that's significant enough.
And it's not of course, it's not

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great, it's not you know,
it's not blowing your socks off. But

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that's enough to open up the floor
and then you know, he can use

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his athleticism and what he provides on
the defensive end. I think I think

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it's a solid pickup p Like,
is it enough to replace Paul George?

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Obviously not, but uh, you
know, it is a guy who can,

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for an eighty two game series maintain
a very high level of two way

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play. So I do enjoy that. And we get so he's twenty seven,

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so we're getting like a million dollars
of season extra. Feels like,

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eh, sure whatever. And he's
twenty seven. He's gonna be out of

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this contract when he's thirty as an
unrestricted free agent, which means this isn't

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a contract year, but the years. Yeah, we're getting his prime years,

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and then we assuming he's still on
the team for that last year of

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this contract, we're getting contract year
twenty nine to thirty year old Derek Jones

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Junior, which if they can,
you know, if things trend well and

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he gets better with the things,
he needs to shore up and kind of

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you know, keeps being a good
cutter, keeps being a lob threat,

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keeps being good in transition. That's
gonna be a nice like it's just gonna

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be a good place for the Clippers
to be in again. Theoretically, I

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love it as a building block piece. I found one of my tweets,

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my play by play tweets during every
Clippers game at follow out of May on

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X, I put a retweet on
one of them, which was early on.

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I can't remember if it was game
five or game six or game four,

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but he had a block, a
sequence of a block on James Harden

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at the rim, and then he
dunked on Paul George on the other end

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right afterwards, and that was all
in one suite. And it's like,

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this is I guess who Derek Jones
Junior can be the athleticism that Will is

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talking about. He won the Dunk
Contest right in twenty twenty. He won

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it with Miami, I believe.
And he does have the nickname Airplane Mode,

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which is one of the best nicknames
twenty twenty. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, good call. It's legit
bounced like the Clippers have never had in

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the two one three era really where
you could throw it up and go get

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it, and having someone like James
Harden being the guy dishing to him,

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that's huge. That could make him
much better. I know he had Luca

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and Kyrie, but James Harden is
a great law passer. I just thought

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of something I want to see,
which between Derek Jones Junior and Terrence Man,

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the Clippers have two really good cutters
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great. I want to see.
This just popped in my head because we've

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seen Jokic do it with Aaron Gordon, and I'm not comparing these two players

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in ability. But if we see
a Zoo hardened pick and roll, Zoo

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gets the ball in the short roll
and then finds Derek Jones Junior cutting baseline

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for an oop, I think Clippers
Twitter is gonna lose its mind. And

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I don't think that's out of the
realm of possibilities for things that could maybe

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happen not routinely, but I think
a Zoo to Derek Jones Jr. Is

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not out of the question. If
this could open up the possibility. I'm

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not saying I want this, I'm
not saying I'm asking for this, we

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talk about regrouping without Paul George and
the amount of options they have under the

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first apron. Now, one of
the other options that Derek Jones Junior brings

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is, well, you have that
point of attack defender. Could they end

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up trading Terence Man because they have
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Man and throughout last season when he
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didn't love that question as much as
Karen's man can be, you know,

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polite. Yeah, he uh,
he pushed back a little bit. No,

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that's table, that's that's not happening. So I almost wonder if this

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is somewhat insurance in case they made
some bigger move where they had to include

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Terrence Man for a team that is
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That's not a bad I don't want
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Man, but it's not a bad
pivot should something like that happen. I

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hope on trade Terrence, well,
go ahead, sorry, like you had

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Oh no, not at all,
But I like, I think that's super

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valid having some sort of like backup
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for different players to me. But
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I think I would intend to at
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rest of the league and see what's
going on there. He's spent the entirety

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of his career here, He's never
gotten to control where his destination is.

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He's constantly in the mill, in
the rumor mill of of you know,

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a trade piece, which who knows
how how serious any of that stuff actually

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ends up becoming. But you can't
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completely solidified that you know you're going
to be in Los Angeles at the India

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your contract. So I think if
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certainly couldn't fall him from wanting to
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And we know obviously that it has
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being from Lowell, and he would
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don't want to think about that at
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no, no, But I agree
with that him. It does. It

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also just gives you one extra move. I don't want to see Terrence traded,

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just to be perfectly clear, but
it just does give you one extra

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move to sort of maneuver. I'd
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more opportunities on offense. Now with
alt Paul George spread around, we need

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it right he shot attempts to make
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I do think there's a little bit
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lean into defense with this starting five, should Derek Jones Junior be in it?

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If you're saying it's James Harden,
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Leonard still playing the four to beat
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defensively, outside of James Harden,
everybody can really guard at a very high

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level. But is there enough shot
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ten fifteen games to get that figured
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my head, you know, like
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get expand on offense, so does
Zoo's Zoo. I think that's the biggest

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question right It is like, how
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into the offense, and that I
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that and we have seen it be
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answer is yes, there there is
a way that they can come up with

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the shot creation uh that they can
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the time, but at points to
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guys and with having younger guys.
Yes, dere Jones Junior doesn't have the

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shot, but he is more he
is more of a lob threat. He's

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got a little bit more giddy up
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times? For sure? I think, and so like, there are options.

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It's not the same offense. It's
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be uglier at times. But the
big question is are they willing to trust

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in the Viza Zubots to be a
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I'm fine with accepting they're not going
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but they can. Can they still
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be in that range with the defense
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that type of balance, I think
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to Will's point about Aviza Zubos,
that's it if they actually feature him consistently

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now where he was thriving with James
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he got injured with the calf injury
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And then let's not forget he was
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in that series. It wasn't Paul
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sixteen to nine and Game one going
for twenty and fifteen. So lean into

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it. You have James Harden.
That makes every big man he plays with

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better. You have a really good
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some of the guys that were just
rim runners that Harden had before. Beats

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a Zoobots has enough where you can
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and let him go to work.
He really does. It's very real.

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And now someone backing up or competing
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eats Zoobots. The Clipper sign Mo
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tall, can post, can shoot
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any post moves to speak of that
he can hit routinely, but young energetic

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legs trying to see what he can
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position. I'm assuming it's going to
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think, but I don't know.
Will How do you feel about Baba?

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I think it's like an interesting like
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Well, I don't know if I'm
ready to get there with him being

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the number two backing up of Vitza
Zubats. He could change my mind obviously

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throughout the course of the season,
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I'm just not saying it. Obviously. The offensive skill set is a

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step down from you know, what's
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guys like Plumbley or Isaiah Hertenstein.
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better than better than Plumbley, probably
a better decision maker just because he's never

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been as showy of an offensive player. But I just don't know. I

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don't He's got to show it.
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like he's a better defender for sure. I don't know that he's there defensively

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enough to be the number two or
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flux and either make another addition or
hope that Kai Jones is able to sort

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of morph into that role. As
well. I to me, the backup

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center is still very much a question
mark. I think we have a couple

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of incomplete answers, but like the
question hasn't fully been answered for me as

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to who's really backing up with Vizza
Zoubats. I thought Robert Flahm, big

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shot Bob Flahm wrote up a really
good article about Mobama as soon as he

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signed and revealed a little bit of
the rebounding percentage numbers. Basically, he's

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a much better rebounder, not much
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of his lack of size, and
a little bit better than Mason Plumley as

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well. And rebounding wasn't exactly you
know, Plumbley's biggest weakness. It was

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just picking out a position all the
time defensively. When it came to defensive

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numbers. When it came to efficiency
within six ft of the rim teams for

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shooting sixty four percent on Mobamba there, which isn't great. You'd want to

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see that be a little bit higher. I did look though at the Philadelphia

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seventy six ers, and their defensive
rating was two points better with him on

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the floor last year, which is
kind of interesting. Considering. I mean,

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they're a pretty good defensive team.
They have Joelbeid He's a really good

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rim protector. So I think he
has the potential, especially because he's still

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what twenty five years of age,
to really prove himself and show something.

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But there's a lot of inconclusive boxes
to check off right now with Mobamba and

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who he can be in this league
exactly. I thought he was really gonna

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thrive when he came to the Lakers
a couple years ago. I was concerned

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that, oh no, they just
got to steal here him coming away from

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Orlando. But he actually shot his
lowest three point percentage with the Lakers at

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I think thirty one percent. He
did, but he was a thirty nine

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percent last year. It was just
one shot, one attempt one to three

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per game. But on four attempts
during the twenty one to twenty two season

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with Orlandos seventy one games, four
attempts for three, he shot thirty eight

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percent. He is a career thirty
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that is real. They may be
daring him to take that shot still,

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because you know he's that big,
and I don't know what you're gonna do

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anyways against the seven footer or who
can shoot over the top of you like

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that. But I think he can
stretch the four a little bit. What

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I want to know is, is
a Visa Zubas gonna get thirty plus minutes

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per night, because then that helps
a much less to worry about with the

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backup big if he's only getting fourteen
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think that's a great point. Who
was more than earned it, right?

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I mean last season he was at
twenty six minutes per game, that was

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lower than the year before. And
with what he just in the playoffs,

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with how he's looked with James Harden, I think he should be around thirty

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one to thirty two minutes per night
and another productive summer. He's killing an

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international ball right now. Did you
see what he did to Luca Dodgers and

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the falls? No, I I
mean, yeah, more more minutes forer

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zoo does alleviate the backup center questions, but I think, yeah, it

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is. It's another It's yet another
year of kind of what's the backup center

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situation gonna look like? For the
Clippers. We're just kind of perpetually in

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this now. What They signed Kai
Jones today? Uh? Yeah, today,

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I yeah, they signed him.
He's gonna be there for summer League

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probably or he get hurt. I
thought he hurt his ankle or something and

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might not be able to do summer
league. Oh, for that would be

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quite the setback for Let me look, because yeah, he wasn't on the

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team until it wasn't official official.
I think till today, a lot of

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people assumed he'd be there for summer
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now it looks like he's getting a
real shot. Yeah. Why did I

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think he got hurt for some reason? Well, never mind, just strike

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that from the record. But I
thought he had an ankle thing and it

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was going to keep him out somewhat. Inserts a joke if he's a Clipper,

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and that's why you thought he got
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who was coming back for the Clippers, we got Nick Putum back, which

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just feels great. I don't think
anyone's upset about this move. I hope

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he doesn't. I'm interested to see
what his minutes, but I'm this feels

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good. I don't think there's no
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We talked about the possibility of it
on a podcast over the weekend. I

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did say if they signed, if
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I would be rooting for France this
summer. So I actually went out and

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bought a Nick Patom jersey of France. Jersey really coming in the mail.

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I'll be wearing it. I don't
care if they're playing TVUSA well at France.

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I'm all in with Nicholas Patum being
back with the Clippers. I just

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I'm ecstatic. Everybody's so happy about
that because it's not just a feel good

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signing. His utility that they missed
so much last season is still there.

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If you saw him win that playing
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Okay, sorry, I found the
tweet from law July third, kai Jones

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has an ankle injury that will keep
him out of summer league. Per source,

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Another sat back after he had a
hamstr injury. So that sucks for

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kai Jones and that back. That
deal is non guaranteed though, and so

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I don't know if the I mean, I don't know if it if it's

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his like previous sort of mental health
issues, or if it's the injury stuff,

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but it is a non guaranteed deal. Yeah, and then the Clippers

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got Chris Dunn TBD, but another
you know, defensive guy for point of

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attack defense coming off the bench.
We're gonna take a break in a second

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talk about the glutt of guards that
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I hope the Chris Done signing gets
figured out because I having a defensive minded

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backup point be the number two would
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think an elite defensive minded on the
defensive end, he is elite in that

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area. You look at all the
numbers, he's incredible. He's not a

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great offensive player, he never has
been, which is why he's never gotten

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a you know, a ton of
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serviceable. I saw it was a
doctor Schapp who was putting out some of

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his numbers. When it came to
floaters from Chris Dunn and from five to

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nine feet out, it was forty
six percent last year, which was twentieth

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among guards. The year before he
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out he was in almost fifty five
percent. And both of those numbers from

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five to nine feet out from Chris
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years. That's better than any Clipper
regard shot from five to nine feet out

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last season. There we go.
So there's some positives. Let's hope the

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deal gets done. Let's go Denver
gets rusted, right, I'm a fan.

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I also think though, what does
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does it mean for Bones Island?
I guess we'll get into it. We're

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gonna get into it right after this
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We got some ad that's coming up, and then we're talking what's next

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for the Clippers in three two one. All right, so we ran down

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the sort of the big fish so
far of the Clippers free agency offseason,

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whatever you want to call it.
Now on some others pieces of news.

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We did sign Cam Christy to a
four year deal. And then what's with

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this signing? Charles? We have
a signing and okay, Versalona signing.

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Yes, let's get into it.
This was odds. So the Clippers announced

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that they'd sign Dinos Mittoglu. I
don't know if that's how you pronounce it.

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I believe he's Greek. They announced
the signing on the website and then

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the page was deleted, which was
weird. So maybe it was just an

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accidental thing. It was a test
page thing. I don't know. But

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Lawrence Frank went to watch him in
Greece already this year. I believe one

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time. He's six' ten,
He's got some mid post skills, some

405
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,359
athleticism, he can pick and pop, but could be another name to watch

406
00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:00,359
out for. Maybe there might be
something weird with how his have to buy

407
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,519
himself out of his contract and how
that money relates to like the new CBA

408
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,559
and stuff like that. But it
appears that this player might be on the

409
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:12,319
Clippers radar, So another big who
has some pick and pop skills possibly could

410
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:18,000
be a Clipper at some point.
They're really assertion for that backup big.

411
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,640
They're going everywhere, indeed, try
to find the perfect fit, to try

412
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,319
to find the Isaiah Hartenstein type of
fit. Yeah, whish they did have

413
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,160
a couple of years ago. I
did see Lot Murray put out that Isaiah

414
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Hartenstein came in to try to earn
that backup spot. He was twenty three.

415
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:38,200
Kai Jones is in the same spot. That'd be nice, right if

416
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:44,039
he was Isaiah Heartenstein, that'd be
in business. Yes, but we wanted

417
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:45,559
to talk about Adam. You brought
this up. The Clippers have a bunch

418
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:51,039
of guards right now, James Harden, Terrence Man, Norm Powell Bones,

419
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,680
Chris Dunn, and I guess you
could count Kevin Porter Junior on that list.

420
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:57,519
I don't. I don't think there's
any any real playing time. I

421
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,079
don't know. Oh yeah, I
actually don't. I don't know it's a

422
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,400
minimum. I don't. I'll look
up what it is. I don't think

423
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:14,359
I believe it's a minimum either way. That's a lot of guards, not

424
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:19,400
something we're totally unfamiliar with in this
Clippers era. But does it feel like

425
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,519
a move's coming? Will? Where
are you at? Do you think we're

426
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:27,279
gonna have this one, two,
three, four, six guards on the

427
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:36,079
roster by opening the garden? Yes, I mean probably, Yeah, Adam,

428
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960
do do we want six guards on
the roster? I think I didn't

429
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,640
say that. Yeah, it is
a different question. It is a different

430
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:51,039
question for sure. Uh. No. We want to lean back into wing

431
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:56,319
stuff. We want to get back
to having more versatility at the wing position,

432
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,759
which the tomb is a great move
for that. Dear Joe Jolles Junior

433
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,480
helps with that. We know what
Terrence Man can do. You can play

434
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:07,000
multiple positions. I do think of
move's coming. It could end up being

435
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:11,359
Bones, it could end up being
Norman Powell, it could end up being

436
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,359
Terrence Man. I think one of
those three guys most likely is not on

437
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,079
the roster for training camp. I
don't know what that move is. It's

438
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,640
just conjecture and speculation on my part
that they have a grip of guards or

439
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,400
blood of guards and they're not gonna
platoon all these guys. It'd be crazy.

440
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,519
You couldn't get a rhythm with rotating. Now. It's not going to

441
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:34,960
turn into what we saw at the
start of the twenty two to twenty three

442
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,480
season, where it was John Wall
and Reggie and Luke Canard and Norman Powell.

443
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,920
I don't think they're going back to
that. I think they've seen enough

444
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,039
of what can go wrong defensively when
you have four guards and three guards out

445
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:52,119
there at all times. I you
know, as much as I love Bones,

446
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,400
I don't know how the Clippers really
feel about him. I don't know

447
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,400
how coach lou really feels about him, because he did sulk it times,

448
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,319
it looked like last season, and
didn't take advantage at the reps and opportunities

449
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,880
that he got as much as he
has shown that to be that spark and

450
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:13,920
to be electric out there and to
be able to help this team and some

451
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,000
real utility with his three point shooting
and downhill attack, which he greatly improved

452
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,839
on last season. You could see
it. He was much better finishing get

453
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
the rim. I don't know if
they're you know, willing to wait to

454
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:31,799
see. And this was somebody who
apparently wasn't able to be traded along with

455
00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:35,519
PJ. Tucker at the trade deadline
this past season. So I can't say

456
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,839
for certain that Bones is going to
be on the team the start of this

457
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,440
year, especially with Kevin Porter junior
there now too. Like he's technically,

458
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,079
I mean, the more accomplished guy
at the NBA level like he is.

459
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:49,480
He's had a fifty point game,
he's averaged twenty points per game. How

460
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,160
good and how much that attributed to
winning with the Rockets. It's like,

461
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,599
well, it's hard to say because
the Rockets are just really bad all round,

462
00:32:55,799 --> 00:33:00,920
so it's hard to say if his
points were empty stat or if he

463
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,640
was just on a bad team that
was rebuilding. Uh. And Kevin Porter's

464
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,960
junior is a minimum two point two
this year, two point five next year.

465
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:14,559
Yeah, with a player option next
year, so kind of reprove it

466
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,359
type of thing for him. And
yeah, and he's averaged one. I

467
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:22,039
mean he's like a thirty he's like
a thirty minute. He's played a lot

468
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,200
of minutes and there's a much different
situation. I don't think it's going to

469
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,000
be bad for sure the Clippers,
but I think it's real. I think

470
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,839
it's I think assuming that he's not
going to be a piece of the rotation

471
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:37,799
is I don't think that that's the
case. We'll see. I think he

472
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:44,079
has real sixth seventh man off the
bench potential as like a scoring punch type

473
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:50,079
thing if he is, you know, obviously the off the course stuff.

474
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,839
We talked about that and how he
felt about that over the weekend. But

475
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,279
he's got a ton of upsides.
Still, There's there's no way around that

476
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,160
he is an electric scorer at times. And do we think I think norm

477
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,759
is he's been the name that's kind
of been in the scuttle, but recently.

478
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:12,920
He's a hard contract to move.
I think he's not exact, you

479
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,400
know what I mean, he's he's
a scorer. I don't know. We

480
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,280
had him in that trade package for
Zach Lavine last week work. I guess

481
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,159
you just got to find the right
scenario, right, it's a guy wrong

482
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,679
side of thirty in the NBA.
How many years are left on that deal?

483
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,360
Two? This and next year?
I believe, so that's time.

484
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:38,440
It makes it. Yeah it is. Let me double check, nineteen and

485
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,440
then twenty and twenty five, twenty
six six men are getting paid around what

486
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:49,960
he's at, Like that type of
player is around sixteen to twenty million now

487
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,360
is a real thing. And look
he's one of the best of them.

488
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,480
Yeah, he is as efficient as
it gets. Does he offer a lot

489
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,000
else? Know, we've talked about
that, but he still supplies a lot

490
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:07,559
of offense at a high clip from
three especially that you need in today's NBA.

491
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,039
Do you think he's worked into Believe
it or not, we've heard this

492
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:17,119
name thrown around to be a Clipper, a John Collins trade. That's again

493
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,920
people are kicking that old dead horse
one more time. I know there's been

494
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,960
some grant Williams Scuttle, but just
in terms of like guys who could maybe

495
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,519
be gettable to help out on the
wing or something like that. But I

496
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:34,840
mean that's the world in which Norm
Palell's moved. He's not moved for another

497
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,559
guard or anything like that. He's
moved for a wing that can, at

498
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:42,679
least, I mean, come off
the bench and fill in the minutes that

499
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,800
the Clippers need because Patum can't.
You know, he Platune doesn't need some

500
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,280
help off the bench a little bit. I love Nick Patum, but we

501
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,239
talked about the Leeds legs thing before. It would be nice. I mean,

502
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,880
how many misses Patum get a play
during the regular season eighteen to twenty

503
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,519
two minutes? And that's fine because
he's gonna win his minutes most likely out

504
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,559
there. Sure, but you you
know, you know what I'm saying,

505
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:09,679
though, it would be nice to
have more another wing who's helpful. No,

506
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,559
I agree with you. I'm saying, as great as it is that

507
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,039
Nicholas Batum back, he's not gonna
be an Inning Zeter playing thirty five minutes

508
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,880
a night. This isn't twenty twenty
one. Nick Batoom could he play at

509
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,239
that level in Spurts, I think
so. Could he do that for eighty

510
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,079
two games? I don't think so. Yeah, he was playing twenty six

511
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,880
minutes per game for the seventy six
ers, which is pretty What was he

512
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,280
playing for the Clippers before they traded
him? Eighteen and then twenty two,

513
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,800
twenty five, twenty seven. The
most he played was twenty seven. How

514
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,519
do you guys feel about Grant Williams, Because actually I was a pretty big

515
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,519
fan of possibly trying to get him
last season because I've watched him a ton

516
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,239
with the Boston Celtics and he was
a plus player for them, and I

517
00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,800
was kind of shocked at how poorly
things went with Dallas. Yeah, oh,

518
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:09,440
I'm not a fan. Yeah,
why, I mean, he's just

519
00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:13,920
he's just still kind of undersized,
and to me, he's like more of

520
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920
like a guard profile. I just
don't really see him as offering as much

521
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:23,480
versatility as like a more true sized
sort of wing. Yeah, a good

522
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,280
defender. I guess I'd like somebody
with a little bit more offensive versatility,

523
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,599
uh, and just more athleticism in
general. And we talked about Terrence Man

524
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:37,760
and the viability and is in a
trade. I mean Terrence Man plus Norm

525
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,039
Powell for John Collins works pretty much
straight up, So you know, I

526
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,159
don't know. I'm assuming the Jazman
assets not just to shed money, but

527
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:52,519
that that deal works straight up.
Would you rather do that or get Grant

528
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:58,599
Williams for PJ. Tucker because well, I mean, what you're talking about

529
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:00,920
put me in the boat light it
out fire PJ. Tucker for Grant.

530
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,920
But I don't think it's that crazy, only because pg is the expiring.

531
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,079
Grant Williams is making thirteen million over
the next couple of years. Charlotte may

532
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,840
just want to get away from that. They got a new coach, which

533
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,239
might change things with that outlook.
I mean, I would love that trade.

534
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,159
Sign me up up, sign me
up for that. Grant Williams has

535
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:27,599
had a myriad of ankle injuries,
which don't doesn't make me super excited.

536
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,639
But if you could get off PJ. Tucker for Grant Williams, I don't

537
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:37,960
think there's anyone in their right mind
who would say no to that deal.

538
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:40,679
Right Grant Williams is letus. He
ruins the locker room, which would be

539
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,719
a nightmare, but he's a thirty
eight three point shooter. Well, it's

540
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,000
not like PJ. Could do that. That's very true, very good point.

541
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Grant Williams also a nearly one to
one assisted turnover guy that is one

542
00:38:53,480 --> 00:39:00,239
of your big buggle booths, so
that that's not ideal. I love the

543
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,239
way he guards up though. Honestly
he's really physical. Yeah, he's a

544
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480
bit of a prick, which you
need on your teams if you're gonna be

545
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,199
defensive. Look at the teams in
the Western Conference and tell me if the

546
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,519
offensive production if this team like adds
Grant Williams, how how that correlates.

547
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:20,840
You're not stopping everything. I like. I like the idea of leaning into

548
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,880
a defensive minded thing. I just
I don't I don't get Grant Williams for

549
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,360
PJ Tucker. For PJ Tucker for
sure. Yeah, okay, Well would

550
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,599
you rather do that versus everything you'd
have to give up for John Collins?

551
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,800
Yes, because I don't think that
John Collins can do as much as what

552
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:44,679
Terrence Man can do within the system
of the Clippers team. Yeah, he's

553
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,639
more of a traditional four, and
all of a sudden, Kawhi can slide

554
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,199
back into the three spot, which
would be good for this team. Do

555
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,519
you even know if Kawhi like wants
to do that. Yeah, that's definitely

556
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,360
a cool. Well, I'll go
off of just what he said last season

557
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,559
until they get a real one.
Yeah. Fair, that's a good point.

558
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:07,480
But like, I don't know,
and like and selfishly dude, like

559
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,559
Terrence Man being a second round pick
and spending all his time with the Clippers,

560
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,239
I would love for him to get
rewarded with a legit deal from the

561
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,559
Clippers. And because he does have
a role now right, Yeah, shooting

562
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:22,079
guard. I'm not yeah, I'm
not saying that I want him gone or

563
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,920
anything. It's just like that's a
name that constantly circles the Clippers sphere.

564
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,800
If you look at norm as expendable, which I think just with the lack

565
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,519
of shooting in the in the loss
of offensive production with Paul George, I

566
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:37,239
think that that changes that calculus a
little bit. Unless one of these younger

567
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:43,079
guards really starts to pop like that, then obviously it's a little bit more

568
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,400
expendable. But you know, it
does work, like you can figure the

569
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,320
money out, and I just don't
know if the Jazz are willing to just

570
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,199
you know, if like just dumping, like shedding some salary because Collins is

571
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,000
only on for one more year after
this, So it's like, how much

572
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,320
money are you really saving? Like
you're not getting a pick to maybe save

573
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,840
like seven to ten million dollars?
Is that enough? I don't really know.

574
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,800
And Terry, like we talked about
whatever Terrence wants for an extension,

575
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,159
that's going to dictate if he gets
traded too, because if he asks for

576
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:19,400
something that is like crazy, the
Clippers are gonna probably like, well maybe

577
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,880
we maybe not, And they I
like, yeah, I don't know,

578
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:28,880
what have you thought about in terms
of going back to more small ball lineups

579
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,440
because they brought in Derek Jones,
Junior and Nick Batum. Now enable may

580
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,679
not super small, not the four
guard stuff I'm talking about getting back to

581
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,639
twenty twenty one Clippers basketball. I
think we still need some more playable wings,

582
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,199
right, Like, I think it's
a pretty thin. So like,

583
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,599
let's we're talking Jay like, so
it's James Harden, Terrence Man, Derrek,

584
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:57,639
Just Junior Kawhi and Nick Batum is
the five out lineup. I'm not

585
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:00,519
mad at that. I don't I
don't hate that. Yeah, I think

586
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:05,599
I think in limited spirts, it's
interesting. It's not something that's gonna be

587
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,159
able to it's not something that's super
sustainable. No, it's not a death

588
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,639
lineup or anything like that. It's
an annoying ass lineup to try and score

589
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,880
against, which could be great for
befuddling streak runs or something like that.

590
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,920
It might give you three or four
minutes at a fourth quarter that could swing

591
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,039
a game. Yeah, I could
see that for sure. But yeah,

592
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,880
it's just not like it's not something
you can really lean on. And I

593
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,280
don't think right now with the personnel
that we have, we can really go

594
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,639
small for any sustained amount of time. It's just last year, you know.

595
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,199
They also we've just been talking about
how much more zoois to be featured.

596
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:47,679
Let's not backpedal into small. Look, Zoo can still come back in

597
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,039
to be the hammer and close out
the get ten minutes. We gives you

598
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,440
ten minutes, likely not play the
entire fourth quarter. Maybe you should.

599
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:01,559
You know that. Do we know
for certain that it doesn't work, because

600
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,760
I don't think that we do.
Have we tried it. We haven't tried

601
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,079
it once, I don't think.
But yeah, but by the way,

602
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:15,119
we did not have Norm in it. I don't think Norm is Yeah,

603
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,400
I don't know. Al Rangers was
one of the best liners in the NBA

604
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,360
last season. That was true.
But that lineup did that, Paul George,

605
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,159
So how do you a little less
looked a little less good in the

606
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:36,760
playoffs? The playoffs kwhile it wasn't
the power so it was real. It

607
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:45,119
was the Beatleborgs. Yeah, troopers. Did you guys? Just speaking of

608
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:51,039
Kawhi Leonard, They just posted a
video of Kawhi arriving at us A men's

609
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,519
national team basketball camp. Got a
sleeve on his knee, so maybe came

610
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,920
straight from the airport. He got
a cool new tat. He wants to

611
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,880
do a slow unveiling. I like
that what Tua did. That's off season,

612
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,159
dude, Tua likes throughout the off
season. Would just like and he

613
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:15,000
just can't just fully tatted. Did
we discuss the report from the La Times.

614
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,360
I think it was Brad Turner.
Different report than the one you're probably

615
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,800
thinking of right now. Yeah,
we're not talking about that. Another one

616
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:29,039
regarding Kawhi getting a forty five minute
workout in in front of Laura Frank and

617
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,199
some of the other luminaries, and
he impressed, correct, I believe that

618
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,639
was the word he was. He
impressed. They went right basically. Yeah,

619
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,039
for TM USA, Steve Kerr was
there sick. They wanted to see

620
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:51,880
where he was at physically. I
mean, I feel good about I'm glad

621
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,320
they I'm glad the impressed and they
weren't shocked. I'm not trying to be

622
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:01,880
an alarmist, but i am going
to say five on five is always going

623
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,480
to be different. And when he
gets in a few games, and even

624
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,719
though he'll probably be limited minutes,
of course, Man, the USA is

625
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,199
stacked loaded. They only need him
for so much, The only need everybody

626
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,480
for so much, how good the
team is. But yeah, I still

627
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:25,039
will be closely monitoring how Kawhi Leonard
looks on Team USA when you go three

628
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:31,000
months of swollen knee. But they
said there's no structural damage. It's just

629
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:36,039
I'm still gonna be watching pretty closely
see what's going on. Yeah, I

630
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:39,360
mean I'm looking at the sleeve.
Yeah, the sleeve is a new development.

631
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:45,960
He's going with the tmax sleeve.
What everybody was wearing, Yeah,

632
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:51,280
sleeves in the early two thousands.
Will how are you feeling about the Kahi

633
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,320
report? Are you a static?
Yeah, I mean I'm feeling really good.

634
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,800
I you know, it sounds like
he nailed the audite. I hope

635
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,559
he gets the part. You know, hey, guys want to be a

636
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:01,719
part of this teams before we start. I'm really happy to be here.

637
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,239
Thanks for giving me a chance.
Yeah, I mean I feel the same.

638
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,320
Like it's it's still like it's a
completely different game doing We didn't get

639
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,559
any report of explosive box jumps,
but I'm assuming there were a couple thrown

640
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:17,199
in. If he was impressing that
hard it was the fourth of July or

641
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,079
near it, there should have been
a couple explosive box jumps. Yeah,

642
00:46:21,199 --> 00:46:24,079
And like I mean, does he
do a floor routine, like in front

643
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,639
of all these guys, Like what
is this? I don't really understand,

644
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,559
or do they just come and like
him and Hall while he's like in the

645
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:36,760
gym doing regular gym stuff anyway are
him? It's it's going to be completely

646
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,320
different when he's actually like on the
court playing and competitive basketball at a high

647
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,840
level. But you know, like
I said, it's it can only be

648
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,800
good to be honest with you,
like, it can only be good for

649
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:50,960
him to get to data after some
more prolonged time off how that knee is

650
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,440
going to respond and what the next
course of action is because the answer can't

651
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,079
just be a question mark forever,
right, I mean, I hope not.

652
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,679
And so in the worst case scenario
where he does have to undergo surgery

653
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,119
or something, you know, early
detection I guess would be better. Yes,

654
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:13,159
I agree with that. All right, before we move on to the

655
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,320
final segment, we are there was
an end of an era that we're going

656
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:21,119
to talk about in the next segment
for the Clippers that happened recently, No,

657
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,599
a different era. What do we
Adam, what do you think Clippers

658
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:30,880
chances of a in the context of
the Clippers right now big move yet to

659
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,119
come? What do you think chances
one of the one chance one hundred percent

660
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,440
chances we're at the do you say
big move? I think of guys like

661
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:46,880
Levine and DeRozan. Who else is
out there? Who else has left at

662
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:53,400
this point or has been rumored to
be involved in trade talks? I go

663
00:47:53,559 --> 00:48:00,239
back to the Levine trade. I
still out there because they're under the first

664
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:08,719
apron and are unshackled when it comes
to all of the minutia with the new

665
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:15,679
CBA, I think it's it's very
possible. Do they do it? I

666
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,199
don't know, have they seen the
trade package we put together that worked on

667
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:28,239
paper. I'll say this because we
know they're trying to get off PJ.

668
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,800
Tucker, because we know they're trying
to get off of Russell Westbrook's contract.

669
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,320
We only know there's two guys on
the team that are likely not going to

670
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,880
be on it by the start of
training. Care very likely. I gotta

671
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:45,039
say, I would not be shocked
if there was whatever you want to deem

672
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,000
a big move, but something else
that is significant enough for us to pod

673
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,280
about for an hour. How about
that Grant Williams or a John Collins that

674
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,440
feels significant enough for the pieces that
would go out to pod for minutes.

675
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:06,159
Yeah, and therefore we're talking about
Terrence may possibly be involved, nor Powell

676
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:12,079
possibly being involved. I think these
things are real, these these options with

677
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,840
the Clippers when it comes to roster
realignment and what they're trying to do.

678
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:20,320
Will Are you on the same trains
at them? Do you think it's happening?

679
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,840
Yeah? I mean, like,
look, they have to do something

680
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,199
just to get off of PJ.
Tucker's salary, and ideally, I mean

681
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:35,199
that's probably gonna mean losing an asset. So you're hoping that you're pulling something

682
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,400
back in like I just don't know
who else want contact and like and like

683
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:45,119
to wave and to wave and stretch
him and to like hamper yourself financially for

684
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,480
like two seasons after this one.
To me, as honestly, that might

685
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,320
be even worse than just pain in
the fucking stupid twelve million dollars. Like

686
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,679
I was on the wave and stretch
train and now I'm just like every choice

687
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,719
sucks, So you might as well
get a peet. Like what a frustrating

688
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,119
contract to have on your books,
and like maybe it's just seconds, Like

689
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:07,159
maybe you can get it done with
seconds. If it was three seconds to

690
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,320
dump a contract right now? Is
what the going rate is or whatever?

691
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,920
How seconds should they have? Would
they have to give up somebody else just

692
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:15,360
to get some seconds back, like
bones or something, I don't know,

693
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,559
I mean bones and PJ. That
would suck. But if it's got like

694
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,679
I'm I don't know, that's right
value, put bones PJ in two seconds,

695
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,800
that's more than enough. Oh yeah
for anything that gets off to go

696
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,480
to a team like Charlotte that just
was to shed salary, like we're just

697
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:45,360
like take all the just go to
Charlotte expiring contract or not nothing, especially

698
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,400
as to day's NBA in Detroit.
They're gonna have so much cap space after

699
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:54,199
they shed the PJ. Tucker salary
after next year too. I don't know,

700
00:50:54,360 --> 00:51:00,679
Sisty, that's true. I think
there's something happened too. I think

701
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,920
we'll probably end up doing an impromptu
pod to welcome Grant Williams or something like

702
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,440
that. I don't know if Lavine's
in the cards. I think Tomorrow antilizing

703
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,320
too much. I think the way
that the Bulls want to do the Tomorrow

704
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,599
trade, I don't think we can
even get Lamar because they want like good

705
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,239
people back. I don't get he's
an unrestricted free agent, like he doesn't

706
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,559
have to do a sign of trade. I know that opens up more possibilities,

707
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:29,320
I guess for getting rid of him, But sounds like sounds like tomorrow

708
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,639
Rose is one of the nicer guys
in the NBA. Yeah, absolutely,

709
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,559
yeah, they I think we can
get Tomorrow is if we can sign them

710
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,400
as a free agent. Yeah.
He wants like twenty million dollars a year,

711
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,920
he said, so he might just
play out this contract and then wait

712
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,239
to be a free agent and sign
a deal too, he's a free agent.

713
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,119
Now there's no contract. He's Oh, that's what it is. Yeah,

714
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:53,519
Yeah, that's what's weird about new
TBA has ruined everything. I feel

715
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:58,920
like the new CBA. Another thing
about the CBA I didn't realize is that

716
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:04,119
like bonuses you have to be so
you know how you sometimes players get like

717
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:07,880
wacky bonuses like Kyle Kusman will have
like a finals MVP bonus or whatever that

718
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,920
technically counts towards your books at the
end of the year for your cap.

719
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,440
So because of all this second apron
stuff, that's like that's like making it

720
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:22,199
super weird to sign guys like you're
not giving him these bonuses, and even

721
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,559
if they don't get that bonus,
it's still counted towards your penalties in the

722
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,880
apron and whatnot. So it's like
you have to like make room for money

723
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,360
that you might not even pay guys. I don't know. I don't know.

724
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,679
The second Aprons of Nightmare coming up, we're gonna be talking dips and

725
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,239
then the end of yet another Clippers
era coming up after these audio ads and

726
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:52,280
three two one welcome back in I'm
Out of maslin Is clips and dip from

727
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,719
a new surprise location. Uh not
my usual background. We're all three in

728
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:05,119
the same place now. Now we
all like our hands in the scene from

729
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,719
Rules of Attraction where they finally meet
on camera standing next to each other.

730
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,880
That's a great movie. Uh yeah, I don't have a dip today,

731
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:15,880
guys. I don't have a dip
either, Dude. I had a real

732
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,960
week. I was hosting the bar
I'm out of town. How dare you,

733
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,760
chuck, I was out of town
and had dip, not two weeks

734
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,079
ago. Will do you have a
dip? I do, but it's not

735
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:37,280
appropriate, not appropriate? What do
you mean not appropriate? Eight milligram zines?

736
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:45,360
Baby, Well, you're saving our
ass this week because that's the only

737
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,440
dip we had, And yes,
I would bring it to a barbecue.

738
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:54,400
In fact I did, In fact
I did yesterday get to heaven. Well,

739
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,599
I'm sorry, I don't have a
dip. I was. I was

740
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,599
just busy this week. I was
thrown off. I'm sorry the listeners.

741
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,960
I know that we've that I've let
you down. Adams also let you down,

742
00:54:04,039 --> 00:54:08,079
probably even harder because he's multiple times
as well. Actually will zood it

743
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:15,320
off his in so he's doing great. Our zin's illegal. Where did No,

744
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:16,480
I just don't, you know,
I don't. I don't want to

745
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,079
endorse nicotine products on this show.
I consume him a bunch, but I

746
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,599
don't endorse them, right of course, Yeah, banging, banging a darter

747
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,599
having his z in? Which would
you choose? I mean, I guess,

748
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:37,039
I guess I'll take this in,
But in my in my heart,

749
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:39,679
it's probably banging the stake. I
don't. I don't smoke or at the

750
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:46,559
same time, and you're doing the
patch with the zin, right, yeah,

751
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:50,760
patch eyes. That's why I'm wearing
a hat because it's on my hairline.

752
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,840
That's the direct to your brain.
When it's this hot out, I

753
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,400
can get to your brain way quicker
will taking that. This is your brain

754
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:07,880
on drug to the full extent.
It's a smooth, soft boiled eggs on

755
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:10,840
drugs. Well if you have such
a smooth brain, Yeah, we should

756
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,159
talk about why the Clippers should have
kept Paul George for four years. Well,

757
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,519
folks, we got one dip and
it's zen and we would we would

758
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:23,800
take it to a barbecue. So
go buy a bunch of inns, I

759
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:29,119
guess, or don't, don't buy
a bunch of ins. All right,

760
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:34,760
we're talking the end of an era
for the Clippers happened today, and I

761
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,800
think this person, this guy had
a very interesting role for the Clippers.

762
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,079
Uh he's if you've followed the Clippers
long enough, you have a soft spot

763
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,880
in your heart for this guy.
Xavier Moon is now going to play with

764
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:58,639
the Orlando Magic this month in Vegas, Canadian Basketball League legend, they renamed

765
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,559
the Damn MVP Trophy after him.
He was an emergency Clippers guy. He

766
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:09,639
got shoutouts on a former players podcast, Great locker Room Guy Reggie Jackson loved

767
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:14,480
him. He kept the vibes up
during some really down times, but shout

768
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:16,599
out Savior Moon. I hope he
can come back at some point for the

769
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:21,440
a C Clippers. I'm happy has
a chance with the Magic, but bummed,

770
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:25,760
great piece of Clippers lore Xavior Moon. I think he's ineligible to be

771
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:30,000
on a two way because it would
be the fourth straight year and he's already

772
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,280
done three straight years, and I
think they're expecting you to graduate at that

773
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:39,039
point. I think so, I
don't know, yeah, just too it's

774
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,679
just too small to be in the
NBA. For sure. It's a bummer.

775
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:49,000
You put nineties and he's getting twenty
minutes a night. Oh and he's

776
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:53,400
killing absolutely, but yeah, I
was bummed to see that. I was

777
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,840
like, oh, save your moon
rules, Like, I hope he has

778
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,039
a good time in Orlando. Yeah, a plane I really admired and like

779
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:05,320
has definitely had a great attitude and
has been one of the step up guys.

780
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,320
Like you said, I mean he's
he's a stay ready guy. Yeah,

781
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:14,360
I'll always I always think fondly of
him. I enjoyed watching him on

782
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,840
the court. A ViBe's pillar for
the Clippers team. Well, we're gonna

783
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,880
do like ten more minutes, but
none of us have any dips, so

784
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:29,079
I think we can. Will brought
up something interesting off air, right then,

785
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,480
Oh, do we have something else? No, I was gonna say

786
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,920
the sins, but oh yeah,
I didn't know about that. Off air,

787
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:43,599
Will said, the national media is
starting to catch up to why the

788
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,960
Clippers would let go of poll George. The national media is there's a bunch

789
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,480
of dipshits on Twitter who are like
fake basketball media who aren't. But there

790
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,159
will always be dipshits on Twitter.
That's very true. Yeah, windh Horse

791
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:59,039
recently, wasn't it wind Horse who
was like, this is the third time

792
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:04,079
we've talked about that. Why are
we pretending like this is gonna this is

793
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:07,400
a lock all of a sudden,
And it's because the media hates the Clippers.

794
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,079
Well, he thought they were RUDDI
list and didn't have a direction right

795
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,360
at the start of free agency,
and he's like, I don't know,

796
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,440
I don't know what they're doing.
Great analysis, man, you couldn't see

797
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,400
that they were trying to lead it
into defense. He dumbass. I like

798
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:28,039
Windhorse, but I like Windhorse.
I just everybody on that panel, Kendrick

799
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,480
Perkers, they were all so befuddled
by what the Clippers were doing with bringing

800
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:37,639
in Derrick Jose Judu was like,
guys, they're trying to be a much

801
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,119
better defensive team. I don't think
anybody realized how bad they were on that

802
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,119
end last season. Yeah, and
I think too. I mean, like,

803
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,280
look, you can say whatever you
want about the Clippers. I mean,

804
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:52,639
obviously trade didn't work out the way. That's the way they got Paul

805
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,719
George, And it really was not
for a lack of trying. They tried

806
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,880
every single configuration that he wanted,
brought in every single frame, and tried

807
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,079
everything. And I know that people
were pointing out like if the Clippers,

808
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:07,519
as far as they were willing to
go, was near that Kui deal three

809
00:59:07,639 --> 00:59:12,480
for one fifty, which would still
make them a second Apron team, maybe

810
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:15,920
the Clippers were just never really two
foot two feet into these negotiations in the

811
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,519
first place. You know, they
gave him a big they gave him one

812
00:59:19,559 --> 00:59:24,760
big contract, you know it.
It resulted in three playoff playoff series wins

813
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,800
in five years. And I don't
know, I think that that's pretty reasonable

814
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,880
to want to move on from from
that. And as far as like the

815
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,599
you know, I've talked about this
already on here before, as far as

816
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,880
like the let him walk for nothing, I just think the return that you

817
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:45,440
were looking at is not worth being
over the second Apron like for a what

818
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:51,559
like for like a for like a
measly like late first round pick, and

819
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,639
you could, you know, in
a season or two, shed some of

820
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:58,079
the salary, Like I don't,
I just don't. I don't think that

821
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:00,800
return was worth it. I don't
fault the front off this for that deal,

822
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,039
I think, and I think the
reaction to the Paul George thing shows

823
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,440
and you maybe have to stick with
me on this one. It's a lot

824
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,480
easier to shit on the Clippers for
not re signing Paul George for four years

825
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:17,199
than it is to learn what the
CBA actually is, to learn what the

826
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:22,400
hamstrings a hamstrings actually are for this
any team right now, we're seeing it

827
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,119
happen in different ways, but this
is not the first time a team isn't

828
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,480
going to resign a guy to a
max contract. It's much worse for the

829
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:35,719
Clippers when you talk about picks,
first round picks seven years out being frozen

830
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,960
and if you're over the second aprin
three times out of five years, those

831
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:45,199
picks moving to the back of the
line twice For the Clippers, who don't

832
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,800
have a first round pick till twenty
thirty, despite the balloons background going off,

833
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:55,360
yeah, well, it's nothing to
celebrate. It is way more of

834
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,880
a penalty for a team like them
than anybody else because this would already be

835
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,719
the second straight year they're over the
second apron had they re signed Paul George.

836
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,559
They were last year, so they're
already flirting with having picks frozen.

837
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:15,840
If they're one more year in with
this, it's it's more detrimental to them

838
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,519
really than anyone because of all the
first round picks that have been out like

839
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,639
to imagine them. Oh, we
finally have our picks back, but they're

840
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:28,320
frozen and they're pick thirty. Uh
great, great, yeah, and we

841
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,719
should have had like the sixth because
Paul George is thirty eight. We're paying

842
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,280
them sixty million dollars. We fucking
suck. And I don't think it's and

843
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:37,920
I know Will wasn't saying this,
but I don't think you know, it's

844
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:44,480
Paul George's all his fault. They
only won three playoff series. It's so

845
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:49,159
nuanced and complicated. Outside of just
this, the Clippers could never stay healthy

846
01:01:49,239 --> 01:01:52,239
enough. And he was just gonna
say that, isn't that nuanced? They

847
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,280
just weren't healthy. Again, No, I don't blame Paul George for that,

848
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,239
but like, yeah, no,
they just they weren't healthy. If

849
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,679
that happens, you know, for
eight years in a row, heads are

850
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:04,960
gonna roll and maybe, you know, regardless of whether you think it was

851
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,599
the right heads or not, like
this is where we are, This is

852
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:12,320
what the deal was. And I
also wonder, I mean, I just

853
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,519
wonder what this would have looked like
if Kawhi was asking for only for a

854
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:19,519
max You know what I mean,
like I think, is there is there

855
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:24,039
a yeah, Like is there a
yeah? I think I saw that.

856
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:30,079
Like obviously, me not being healthy, it's been hurting the team to this

857
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:35,280
sucks. I want to be healthy. I'm not taking an extra year and

858
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,360
I'm taking ten million dollars less on
this deal. And it was after he

859
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:45,159
started as a hardened deal, right, the first one the trade Yeah,

860
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:49,800
yeah, yeah yeah. And he
also he started a trade, so yeah,

861
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,760
he so like he also was you
know, I just think that he

862
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:57,599
was Obviously he doesn't have maybe doesn't
have the same leverage due to the health

863
01:02:57,639 --> 01:03:00,239
situation. But yeah, he read
the room and he knew that if they

864
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:04,480
was any way to keep this team
together, it would involve a little bit

865
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,519
of sacrifice on the financial land.
And he knows, like comments about the

866
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,079
power forward, right, he knows
that this team needs some help. He

867
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:14,840
understands how his salary can affect winning
at this point in his career, with

868
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,159
his injuries and whatnot. Like,
yeah, I think they would have pieced

869
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:21,440
out if you would to ask for
him. He and James Harden both took

870
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,920
a lot less. Both took enough
less to make it feasible for the Clippers

871
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:29,159
to do a little bit more on
the margins. Paul George wasn't willing to

872
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:31,840
do that. That's fine, that's
his prerogative. He'll be in Philly because

873
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,960
of that. But it's the Clippers
to not want to give is the Clippers,

874
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:38,800
you know, a position to not
want to give him that fourth year.

875
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:45,199
I I I completely see these negotiations
from both sides in this cereo.

876
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,360
It's Paul George's Asian job that if
you're going for the money, get as

877
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,880
much as you nip the money.
Cool. From the Clippers point of view,

878
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:59,199
not giving him all that money also
makes sense, like there shouldn't be

879
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,159
that much bitter and acrimony around this, honestly. Yeah, And we'll see

880
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:08,920
how things go in Philadelphia for him, because, as has been mentioned many

881
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,920
times, they are as unforgiving of
a fan base as any in the history

882
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,880
of forced different vibes over there when
things are cold. Let's just say,

883
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:23,960
I think that about wraps things up
here. I am melting in the space

884
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:28,000
that we are that I am recording
this today. I hope everyone had a

885
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,719
great fourth and how to say fourth? Hope the weekend is chill. I

886
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,679
keep thinking it's Monday. I have
no idea what day it is. For

887
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:40,679
those of us with office jobs,
will where can these fantastic listeners find us

888
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,920
and listen before we're back next week
with more fantastic lumbers content. Yeah,

889
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,800
the best place to find us is
over on YouTube dot com slash at Clippers

890
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,800
podcast. You can watch all of
our episodes there. You can also listen

891
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,039
to all our episodes wherever you get
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892
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:59,480
over on Spotify or Apple podcasts,
go ahead, lead us little rating and

893
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,440
review. It helps us out.
But no matter how you can sue the

894
01:05:02,519 --> 01:05:06,719
show, you know we appreciate you. We always do. And before we

895
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,679
fully get out of here to enjoy
this rest of this long weekend, Adam,

896
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,880
give us one positive thing to go
out on. Take sauls from the

897
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,639
fact that, hey, yes,
Paul George is doing what's best for Paul

898
01:05:16,679 --> 01:05:19,519
George, the Clipper is doing what's
best for the Clippers. If those two

899
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:25,360
rows don't meet, that's how you
don't have a deal struck. That's what

900
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:30,280
this came down to. It's not
that complicated, and I think the Clippers

901
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:35,519
have pivoted to a really nice spot
defensively so far, having lost Paul George,

902
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,159
and I think they had a plan
right away for these guys. This

903
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:44,840
doesn't look like a scramble to find
anybody. This looks like some intelligent design

904
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,679
going on with the Clippers and constructing
this team and being a more defensive oriented

905
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:54,119
squad with Jeff Van Gundy now as
an assistant coach. So I like what

906
01:05:54,239 --> 01:05:58,320
I'm seeing. No, you can't
make up for losing Paul George, like

907
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,239
I talked about with Doug Gottlieb,
there's no way to do that. But

908
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:06,519
if all of a sudden your tenth
defensively on the entire season, even though

909
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:12,079
you're gonna slip offensively, you're still
very competitive, and that's what's gonna be.

910
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,480
It's gonna be competitive next year.
Wonderful positivity going into this offseason.

911
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:18,000
Again, like I said, hope
veryone has a great rest of your weekend,

912
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:20,000
and as always, let's go Clips.