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We're back with another edition of the
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by Christopher Bedford, Executive editor over
at the Common Sense Society. Chris is

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in Colorado right now, sipping a
nice cold beer. How you doing,

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man, I'm doing great. I
just got Colorado. I'm out here for

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the Steamboat Institute conference where Sarah Oh
Federalist Radio Hour stame is speaking. She's

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our fellows here. She's handing off
the title to the next fellow, which

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is one of her colleagues and someone
else who I actually haven't met. There's

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two this year. And the first
thing I did was she was checking in,

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because you know, I'm kind of
like the plus one. I'm the

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arm candy this weekend was I said, Darling, you've got this, and

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I went straight to the bar to
get a cold, refreshing taste of the

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Colorado Rockies. In course line.
Oh there you go. Not a course

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heavy. Well, I'm gonna do
a course heavy later. But I wanted

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the draft. I like courted banquet. The banquet beers the best. And

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if there's a banquet beers on tap, then I'm not leaving. I'm putting

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Hank Williams in my headphones. I'm
sitting down and I'm staying there forever.

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You notice I do have headphones actually
today, Yeah, from the courtesy I

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lied to you earlier. It's courtesy
of United Airlines. Well, we're here

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today to talk about one of the
biggest Pence events in politics of the year.

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Actually, that was maybe a Freudian
slit by accidentally said one of the

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biggest. It's almost on like E
Pence, as in Mike Pence, who

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had a heck of a performance last
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a good place to start, just
to say, absolutely nothing that happened on

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that debate stage is going to put
a dent, a serious dent. And

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Donald Trump's forty point lead, maybe
a couple of points go to vivek Ramaswami

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here and there, maybe a couple
go to Nicki Haley. Whatever it is,

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I don't know. But one thing
I do know is that Donald Trump's

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forty point lead nationally and twenty six
ish point lead in Iowa is comfortable.

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After that debate last night, Chris, What's I think? It's probably true?

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I was. I had three screens
open all night. I was watching

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the Arlanton memorial hearing on the on
the memorial to the Confederacy there or to

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the Reconciliation Memorial, and I was
watching the debate, and I decided to

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turn off Tucker and watch him afterwards. I'll talk an interview with Trump.

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You know, it was entertaining.
I'll tell you, I think that Donald

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Trump has like completely and totally changed
the way that debates will ever be held

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again. And you know, Penn's
got a lot of people were making fun

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of him, and people said he
did really poorly. I was happy he

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was up there. He was more
aggressive than I've seen him in years,

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and I kind of forgot that Mike
Pence was like that. And the first

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time I ever saw him was in
person, was at a buck in the

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day I went to Americans for Tax
Reforms breakfast meeting. He came into a

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room full of libertarians wanted to yell
him about marijuana policy, and he just

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went toe to toe with them.
And I remember looking at that and being

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like, I like this guy.
He's wanting to argue with people about what

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he believes. And I don't think
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presidency and even the Indiana governorship with
a reputation for not, you know,

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I'm being a tough guy. I
would say, this is a child from

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a podcast, so how can he
use the word that comes to mind?

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But I think that was part of
his mission last night when he went out

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into the base stages like Mark shorts
like show him how tough you are,

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Mike, And he goes out there
to start of swinging on people, and

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone
get under his skin as much as Vivek

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got under his skin. And basically
everyone on the Stagia scared. Nicky Hayley

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looked like she was about to have
an aneurism. At one point, Chris

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Chrissie was Screamnettam. The whole thing
went off the rail so quickly. I

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mean, I was on just before
the debate with Laura Ingraham was talking about

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what I expected, and I wish
there wasn't like a record of that,

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because I thought that everyone was going
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And what I failed to see was
that Vivek was up there is kind

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of like a stand in for Donald
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who likes the former president quite a
bit, who is going to go to

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the right of everyone, actually to
the right of Donald Trump and a lot

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of these different things and made him
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right away. And like one of
the questions my friends asked me afterwards was

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do you think if you sink around
to say this was wells to set up

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this debate because he might as well
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But Vec just swinging left and right
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it made it seem like he was
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stage, and it was it was
entertaining television, like the vague was the

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front runner. And that's what it
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debate. He got I think he
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the mike, but he probably had
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New York Times at an analysis of
this. Let me pull it up.

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He had the second most speaking I
know that much. Let me check one

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more time. Who had the top
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Ramaswamy, Christie De Santis, Hailey, Scott, Bergham, and Hutchinson.

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Asa. Poor little Asa only spoke
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spoke for eight minutes, then Tim
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then Bergham eight minutes. Mike Pennce
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time he had for those, Yeah, he sure did. And that's well.

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So I actually want to talk about
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unbecoming, let's say, of a
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and I will say the same thing
also of Tim Scott, Nicky Haley,

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and Chris Christy, who I think
made this mistake. The guy who's up

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by forty points isn't even in the
room. You are all former elected officials

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or current effective elected officials on a
high level, and you are up there

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scrambling desperately throwing elbows to get an
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JV stage basically because you're not even
there with a front runner. I thought

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it looked really desperate and sad for
these people who came out were desperate.

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Well yeah, here's here's the thing
though, it makes sense if you're the

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vake Ramaswamy, right like you,
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need is time because you're trying to
up your name. I d. You

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don't really have anything to lose,
is you don't have a national reputation to

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throw away. You're trying to just
build a national reputation. And the analogy

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that I've been seeing in my head
from last night's debate is that it was

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remember those two tier Republican debates from
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second tier the whole time. And
it reminds me of jav basketball. So

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what you had was you have a
couple of us was almost laid out one

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of the candidates. Well yeah,
so you have exactly Okay, so you

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have a couple of varsity players.
And I would say Trump and to Santi's

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who you know, de Santis is
really far behind Trump, but he is

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also he has been ahead of other
candidates. It's that has narrowed now with

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Ramaswamy. But what I will say
is Vivek is basically the freshman who is

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going to take whatever Donkey can,
even if he misses, just to show

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people he can jump. If you
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vice president and you're trying to dunk
left and right on the little freshman and

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the other JV players, it looks
pathetic and desperate. On the other hand,

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run to sand who, I think
it's true, is not historically a

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great debater, not an amazing debater. He did exactly what he needed to

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do, because it is the most
important thing you could have recognized going into

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that debate is you are not fundamentally
going to change a forty point lead from

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Donald Trump in a debate with however
many other people on the stage. It's

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just not going to happen. So
you need to just blend in, not

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make mistakes, take no risks.
You'll be fine. And he actually pulled

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that off. But why, I
mean, I mean, I don't know

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why half of these guys were even
up there. The governor of North Dakota

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like putting all of his money in
and going out and the killings he'll I

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think was what the people say are
tending is what he heard. That's a

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that's that's agonizing pain. So he
went up there and and then he gave

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a speech from two thousand and nine, and I thought, why are you

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so much work into this? Like
what way? It's like like the level

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of effort he has put in to
get on that stage and talk and go

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to that pain was like I thought, you had a message from God.

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These are gonna be the city will
be destroyed if you do not repent.

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But he said, he was like, I like teachers, you know,

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I think we should have federals And
why are you here? And you know

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I'm not a big generally Pens defender, but I said, I understand his

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I would be like that if if
if he spent four years under Trump kind

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of getting bullied and yelled at by
all the neo cons and all the never

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Trumpers and called a trader, and
then I'm just kind of doing his job

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occasionally belittled by the president. He's
a hard man to work for, Like,

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I don't know why anybody would be
scrambling to be Donald Trump's like literally

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tried to get Pens killed and really
didn't really care. Let's say that didn't

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care if something bad happened to pens
And then and then he has to walk

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out. Well everybody he's walking by
and people like, go, we'll see

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you suck my guts, like why
did did why did you? Why did

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you trade Trump? Your loser?
And he's just been trying to be like

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a Christian gentleman and gets back up
and then the stage he's got this like,

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I love Chris Christie's insult. This
will chat GPT that just chirping in

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his ear, and he just lost
it. He just and he just I

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thought it was authentic, and I
wish, Oh yeah, I think it

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feels like in this I understand.
Yeah, but you know what, so

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and I say, this is somebody
who like it doesn't have the dislike for

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Mike Pennce. A lot of people
on the right have. I actually empathize

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exactly in the way you just laid
out with what the last like half decade

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has been like for Mike Pence.
So get a little bit of a rough

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Fred. But I do think there
was this exchange where he said Pence said

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that Vvek was basically denigrating the American
people and said, quote, we need

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a government as good as the people. Then an excellent response, and he

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said, quote, it is not
mourning in America, and Pence was really

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against I think you know. The
debate opens with a question from Martha McCallum

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about the Oliver Anthony's song Richmond North
of Richmond, which it's gone mass so

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such. Yeah, but now it's
over, talks ruins the song. It

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was cringeworthy. They dropped a curse
word, like to show their guess badass

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or something. They played the song
I learned from like presentations I gave in

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junior high in high school. But
if you think that it's cool to play

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a song in the presentation, it's
not like everyone in the classes of stereo

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at you. You have to wait
till it's over. And I did it.

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I was like, no, it's
it was. It was the sin

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has missed the point there because he
could have been like he could have talked

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about people suffering. You could have
talked about democrats suffering. It could have

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like you've seen the YouTube reactions,
the rollings. Don't try to call racists

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and everything, but yeah, like
black men up there with tears in their

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eyes listen to the song, white
guys, all people from all walks of

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life. We felt like they've been
kind of put upon, and there was

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it was a song about American suffering, and every candidate just went with their

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canned opening response like I'm here to
fight the woke left and to stand up

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for America. And I thought that
was just a missed opportunity. But I'm

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sorry I cut you off. And
no, that's that's completely relevant because I

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was going to draw a line from
that opening all the way to Mike Pence.

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I mean, it was basically consensus
on the right, with the exception

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of one writer at National Review that
Richmond Richmond was tapping into a popular sentiment.

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And for Mike Pence to actually be
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I think puts him in a really
small group of Republican voters. There

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are not a lot of Republican voters
who are going to hear Mike Pence say

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yet everything is the sort of Reagan
Morning in America approach, which, by

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the way, wasn't that his re
election campaign, right, wasn't that nineteen

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eighty four, that morning in acoss
Okay? So like it doesn't it like

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really, it does not resonate with
people now, And for him to fundamentally

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not understand that when even Fox News
is starting with the Oliver Anthony song.

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I think it was actually fairly revealing, and I don't think it came off

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well no, I mean pens,
I just liked his attitude. I mean

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on the points, just like we
shall have the stage when they did the

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townhall with Tucker Suckers, like,
hey, how about these American cities,

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these American people that are suffering.
He's like, it's not concerned. I'm

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concerned with Ukraine. And that's generally
the view of a lot of the people

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up there. I think a lot
of the applause, a lot of the

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boot lines of the Beka gut,
and a lot of the applause lines that

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a lot of the other Canadian's gut. We're completely out of saint, just

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like we always have at the base, well at the average Republicans thinking they're

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insistenting this grand strategy. Great imagine
with the Great Game the European powers played,

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It's like, we must fight the
Russians in Ukraine in order to defeat

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the Chinese and Taiwan to keep the
homeland safe, or they'll be here next.

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And it's like, you idiots couldn't
beat the Taliban shut up. What

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are you talking about? I just
said, and the people saying you don't

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have any foreign policy experience, like, okay, well, I've got twenty

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years of watching the experienced people lose
wars, and I think the average American

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was sitting back and I had a
lot of those lines, which for one

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of the things that Donald Trump would
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so fired up about Ukraine. Oh
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exchange with I think it was with
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I think both I've seen people say
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took a step back and dodged the
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answer in one direction every question asked
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And again, I actually think that's
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because there's nothing at a debate that's
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hurt you when you're down forty points, But you need to that. You

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need a breakout moment out because he's
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a breakout moment in a debate that
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don't. I just don't think that
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to walk away. I mean what
you'll see the polls. People need to

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walk away and say, you know
what, I like that at the Santas

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guy. He's speaking really, he's
like Trump, who makes he sees Donald

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Trump or without all the baggage,
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right And I don't but how that
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taking Trump stands, you could start
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right before you decide how you're going
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people explain what you're talking about when
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was about the pardon, right,
who would who would pardon Donald Trump?

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And he looked left and right but
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to check it. It was so
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was he was asked multiple times did
Mike pennch do the right thing? And

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he was like, I don't want
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I mean, most of Trump's supporters
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election from being ratified. Was was
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I think he's been done wrong,
but no one's actually saying, like Mike

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Pens, I can't believe he did
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it was De Santis looked around forever
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he would support Donald Trump as the
nominee even if he was convicted of a

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crime. Yeah, and I think
we've talked about this before, but I

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continue to believe that exactly the way
Viveka is talking about Donald Trump is the

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way that Ronda Santis should have been
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and over again from a campaign strategy
standpoint. Oh, I mean, Ronda

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Santis had no problem talking about Donald
Trump that way and doesn't seem to have

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developed any major philosophical disagreements with Trump
since he was elected re elected governor of

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Florida, and he had no problem
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last cycle. So it's not necessarily
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better to say what Vivek did.
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back over to you. I've heard
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Trump was the greatest president of the
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would be a really powerful line for
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it, but this is a new
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Okay, so why is Vivic run
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of people that would be attracted to
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obviously voting for Trump. Anyway,
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that Vivek was a CIA asset to
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was actually qan On. But until
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it's a pretty good guys. Veka
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looking for a position he's vice president
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of suicide mission in my opinion or
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his profile, and he ended up
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and that the Bay people didn't get
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to the right of what any elected
former politician was able to do on every

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single issue because he never actually had
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it's actually hard. Even though I
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with the primary voters. It that
Nikiy Haley had a good point on this

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on the federal abortion man, It's
like, well, were you gonna get

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sixty seven senators? So it's a
good point. Let's let's stop talking about

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it as much. No, I'm
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I think it's a necessary, worthwhile
moral struggle, not just something to

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shrug off the federalism, but there
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doing something about the federal level the
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the right, he stopped people like
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who's drifted left word on a number
of positions from the right. He

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basically took a strong flank action.
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kept on going for to the right
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of hesitation he saw in that stage
is like, have you guys stopped through

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your opinions? Did you guys think
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with just a friendly host. This
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they can to get people to think
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the last thing that Bred Barrs would
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see a bunch of people say he
see through softballs. He wants to He

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wants to really fight and take you
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the as were prepared for that,
but they were unable to get around Burbank

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to even go at Trump, and
it definitely he ended up serving as kind

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of a stand in for the former
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of the reasons he became the number
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he's been smart to take less the
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strategy, and I still feel like
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his team are clinging to the old
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twelve, twenty sixteen that everybody thought
was the way to go, whereas Viveka

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is saying, listen, I'm going
to talk in the way the consultants wouldn't

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advise me to talking. I'm going
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going to do every media hit possible, whether it's Russell Brand, breaking point,

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whatever it is, I'm going to
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strategy exactly. And I'm not saying
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I'm just saying there there's so many
obvious lessons to take from Trump that that

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Vek is taking from Trump that none
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they're still running these same tired campaigns
because their risk averse because millions of dollars

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are on the line, which I
understand, but even so you have to

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adapt and recognize that it's not going
to be a good you're setting that money

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on fire. In the case of
for instance, Tim Scott, who does

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have a lot of donor cash behind
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the Tim Scott camp was saying,
we're in a good position because we have

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invested in infrastructure, we do have
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and we'll just be like waiting in
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We'll be there. But he didn't
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make the most of opportunities that were
given to him last night, Like when

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questions were directed at him, he
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He maybe hit a couple grounders,
but he didn't knock anything out of

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the park. He did not have
I think the moment that you know you

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actually if you are that far down, not run. De Santo's in second

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place. But if you're in that
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you need to have viral breakout debate
moments I think that's one of your only

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hopes. But that money is just
being set on fire and there's no reason

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to be running a campaign like that. I think that's right. I think

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I mean the Canadas, the Canadas
shined best when they were they had confidence,

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when they were assured of their answers. I mean, I remember there

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was this great moment in a debate
when when back when Charlie Kirk wanted to

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bait Tucker Carlson and said he was
a liberal before Charlie had his before Sucker

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baptized him on stage and brought him
around. He was saying, would you

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would you ban electric cars if you
were president? And Tucker just looked at

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him like this the most obvious thing
in the world, said yeah, of

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course first day, or do not
have electric cars? It was self driving

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automobiles and because of the impact they
were going to have on workforces, He's

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like, yeah, of course immediately. And I felt like the Santas had

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one of those moments when the moderators
said would you use military action against the

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cartels? He just looked at them
like it was the tombest question in the

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world, said yeah, yeah,
I would you are you kidding? And

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he started the list off all the
reasons why he would and it was great,

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great, great, just self assured, absolutely, this is a dumb

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question. Next question. The only
problem is he ended it with darn.

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And I usually I prefer not to
say damn, but in a debate that

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opened up with Fox putting the aspid
on the air, you might as well

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say you're damn right, because you
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awesome mainly tough guy rent with and
you're darn tooting and yeah, I don't.

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I thought that kind of took a
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but that was a good moment.
And I don't know, I want

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to hear you who who you think
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of the coverage, a lot of
people who write and conservative media for a

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living, myself included, really like
Ronni Sanders and thank you'd be an excellent

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president. Yeah, but I don't
think he did very well in that debate

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station last thing. And I think
a lot of the takes I saw were

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like the two winners, Vervec and
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Okay, I can see the first
one, but are you starting on the

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second one? Because you like him. I think it's because you like him.

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You just want to say what we
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that's interesting, but uh now maybe
you maybe you'd agree with that take and

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now accidentally insulted you. No,
no, no, that's interesting because I've

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seen a lot of the same thing
Vivek and De Santis, and I came

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in actually really expecting, as someone
who is in a similar position, I

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think Ron de Santis would probably be
a perfectly fine conservative president, the best

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president of the people on that stage, I think, yeah, I agree,

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and I do like actually like the
way he talks about a lot of

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things, and you know, generally
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some moments that are actually, like
pretty impressive. But I was I had

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pretty low expectations of him, just
given his history of debates not being that

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strong, and came in and thought, you know, basically, I know

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we disagree on this question of what
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like literally needed to get out of

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the debate without like without like,
so rodes Santis was wise to give the

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debate, just give the debate.
But I think actually he had some really

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solid moments. I actually thought he
took that first question well when he just

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responded very clearly and succinctly, America
is in decline. I think that is

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what Republican voters is that that's their
baseline starting point. They want to That's

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what every Republican primary has started with
in my living memory. No, not

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at that openly. I think maybe
Reagan, don't. I don't remember Reagan

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being running in the primary because I
was I was born in eighty six.

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Yeah, you're not, and Jed
and I know George W. Bush.

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I mean, the only thing I
remember from that election was watching the Ross

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Pero and for Marshall the night before
the election, and my mom being like,

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I wish I'd voted for him,
and me thinking that guy sounds pretty

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smart from Prospero. Yeah, by
the way, totally correct. I stand

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by my five year old opinion or
six year old opinion. I think you're

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right, because if you if you
go to what the twenty twelve campaign looked

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like, not so much two thousand
and eight from the Republican side. Twenty

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twelve, it was very much like
panicking over Obama, but it wasn't the

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same level of like actually saying this
country is failing. Like, let's let's

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accept that and move on, Like
we are accepting that as the premise of

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Republican politics now and then building from
it. And if you don't accept that

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as the premise, I think you
probably don't have any any business being the

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president at this point or trying to
appeal to Republican audience. Yeah, and

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that's what, Yeah, that we
are in serious troubles. We need serious

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people. We don't just need a
munch It's like, oh, work with

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00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,200
my friends across the all those people
want to put you in prison, so

407
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,160
we should be careful with that.
Weirdly, my first thought when Mike Pence

408
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,839
was going on with the Vake Ramaswami
about how the American people need a government

409
00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,400
that is as good as them was
this is again in a sounder weird but

410
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,559
like, does he not know that
a song called wet ass Pussy was like

411
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,319
the top song in the country for
a year. I've been avoiding using that

412
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:15,599
word the entire podcast. And there
she goes lasted out children, we are

413
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,920
sorry, but seriously, I mean
again, I think the American people are

414
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:25,839
a great people. I also think
we are in desperate need of moral leadership,

415
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,839
and people, by the way,
can be great and also miserable.

416
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,799
And one of the reasons people are
attracted to songs like that is because they

417
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:36,440
are miserable. That song was popular
because of TikTok, which is a foreign

418
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,319
adversary spywear device that is destroying our
youth. It is making them miserable,

419
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,559
is making them addicted to little pieces
of plastic that they carry around in their

420
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,279
pockets. This is not this is
not the time to just put a smile

421
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,480
on and say the American people are
doing great, because you know, people

422
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:59,880
in the suburbs of Indianapolis that you
worship with, who are probably lovely people,

423
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,640
are are feeling good. You know
that that is not at all the

424
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,960
mood of the country. And rightfully, so, yeah, I think that's

425
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,720
correct. And so I was bombed. I was I was somewhat just tickled

426
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,720
to see all those takes of like
ever back, and also de Santacy reminded

427
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,000
me of of what people tried to
write after the Joe Biden Paul Ryan debate,

428
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,960
when I might have even been guilty
of this. Looking back, it's

429
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,079
like, well, Joe Biden not
to much of clown. Paul Ryan,

430
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720
he was so much smarter. Such
a night you pick, But that's what

431
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,920
a lot Everyone's like, Oh,
we're to put out this wonder kid.

432
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,359
He's gonna get there. He's gonna
kick that old jerk's ass budd who doesn't

433
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,960
know anything and he's always just rambling. But I mean, objectively, Joe

434
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,799
Biden kicks Paul Ryan's but in that
debate. But do you remember when Sarah

435
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:51,960
Palin beat Joe Biden in the debate? Yes see that was different by the

436
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:57,880
transitory property of equality Ryan. But
it just didn't stop. It just didn't

437
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:06,599
stop. The bad conservative media takes
wish so much wishful thinking, and I

438
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,319
guess I've probably been guilty of it, for I had for sure have been

439
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,720
guilty of it in the pastor if
I look back and read my twenty ten

440
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,880
campaign coverage, I'm sure there's a
lot of wishful thinking in there as opposed

441
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,559
to actual analysis. But running sixteen
in particular, really disavowed me of that.

442
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,960
That just so all all the people
going out there and saying this is

443
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:30,519
how I was going to go,
and it's obviously not going that way.

444
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,799
I mean, by the time John
Daniel Davidson and I went out and we're

445
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:41,920
touring the swing states before the twenty
twenty election. We were talking to you

446
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,960
know, undercover Democrat bartenders and pretty
red towns, sounds that used to be

447
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,200
Democrat but have switched that hard to
Trump, and to get them to talk

448
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,079
to us, they would they would
say, welly would I talk to you?

449
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,559
I mean you your work for a
conservative media outlet. You're and I

450
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,960
say, we flew out here to
Iowa, away from our homes to learn,

451
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,839
not to be like some political writer
who's who starts off with the lead

452
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,599
Trump voters are racist and then drives
through. I want to prove it like

453
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,119
we're here to learn, and we
we would be lying to our readers and

454
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,519
wasting our time and wasting your time
if we if we just came out there

455
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,440
with whatever story made us feel good
or what we thought at home in DC.

456
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:29,039
There's no point of covering politics just
to write simply what you think as

457
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:33,200
opposed to what's actually happening. Some
people still do it, some people make

458
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,920
a living out of doing it,
but last night was a good example of

459
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,880
wishful thinking. I think, so, who do you think one we're back?

460
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Yeah, it's hard to disagree with
that, the Google search results were

461
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,599
just through the river. And my
favorite was when I looked at it earlier

462
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,079
in the debate, the number one
place where his search had gone up was

463
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,319
washing the DC. All these all
these consultants supported about who is this who

464
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,680
was this guy was up there?
Although and I did miss Trump last night,

465
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,000
as one of my consultant friends texted
me, He's like, man,

466
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,640
if Trump had been up there,
he would have called the Mexican by now,

467
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,400
It's totally true, all right,
little Mexican, just like some just

468
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,160
haymaker out of nowhere. I think
Chris Christie got the closest. Well called

469
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,279
him like a chat GPT bot,
which was hysterical and Vecta's all constantly cribby.

470
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Twice I caught him cribbing from Obama, once the actual line of which

471
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,559
Obama introduced himself as this guy with
a skinny guy with a weird name.

472
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,559
And the second time was when Mike
Pence was going on about the Soviet Union

473
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:44,039
and ectually basically took the Obama line
of the eighties call to want their foreign

474
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:49,160
policy back yew. That Obama line
was kind of disingenuous and annoying in my

475
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:55,000
opinion, but he used it well. He took from all these different sections,

476
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,000
all these different political traditions, and
Wheel did well on a debate and

477
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,039
kind of a way that Barack Obama
used to read books about Ronald Reagan,

478
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,079
and then you'd see Obama give like
a State of the Union speech and it

479
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,119
sounded like it was conservative, go
around and do some psychotic left ring things,

480
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,319
but he would make it sound like
it was conservative. That was good,

481
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,920
and I liked them. When they
started talking about the Department of Education,

482
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,359
I was like, jeez, here
we go again. It's Ron Paul

483
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,359
revolution stuff whatever. But then when
when they said what would you do,

484
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,480
It's like, I'd give that eighty
billion dollars back to the districts and the

485
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,960
taxpayers and parents who want to help
their kids. So well, that's actually

486
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,319
a much more sellable, I think
on the electoral trail answer than I really

487
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,039
ever heard on that question. Yeah, Reagan campaign, like this is not

488
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,119
new at all, as as you
know to the Republican Party. Reagan campaign

489
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:52,039
on getting rid of the Education Department, and it's been a priority. I

490
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:58,480
actually think this is another moment libertarians
just themselves are missing, which is COVID

491
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,359
are blinded by their hate. Blinded. Yeah, but there's so much that

492
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,480
you can collaborate on. And we'll
talk about this when we talk about a

493
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,360
piece that you published. But when
it comes to like chrony capitalism, when

494
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,719
it comes to shrinking certain areas of
government, they could be seizing opportunities left

495
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,960
and right if they could get over
themselves. But I actually think that you're

496
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,519
right. The Department of Education thing
lands. I think it hits differently after

497
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,239
COVID. It really hits differently,
and not just for budgetary reasons, which

498
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400
is the wrong thing for Republicans to
focus on. Not that they aren't important,

499
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,119
but if you're trying to win hearts
and minds, focus on the fact

500
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,320
that they have so much control over
you and your child. If your kid

501
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,400
is going to school in this country, That land's totally different after COVID.

502
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,679
My last thought would be Chris Christy
also came in with a lot of swagger.

503
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,280
He's running a campaign basically to hit
Donald Trump and to hit all of

504
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,079
the alleged sycophants in the Republican Party. As he sees it, Donald Trump's

505
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:02,440
not at the debate, and it
just kind of ends with a whimper like

506
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:07,119
does he get some good lines in, sure, but he should have had

507
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,719
as much speaking time as Vague.
He should have been doing what Mike Pence

508
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,000
was doing and making sure to insert
himself absolutely everywhere, and he should have

509
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:21,360
had something that was gonna land an
actual blow that's going to be the knockout

510
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,480
punch, because he just didn't.
And I think that was a real loss

511
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:28,599
for him, because he's been yeah, he's a loser. He doesn't think

512
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,559
he's going to be president, but
he's staking his run on this idea that

513
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:35,800
he's going to be the thing that
finally takes down the Republican Party's Trumpism because

514
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,800
he's just gonna display all of its
weaknesses on the national stage. And he

515
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,760
didn't come anywhere close to that last
night. Everyone's from him when the god

516
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,320
Routh, Dakota, even Asa Hutchinson, all these people. I guess Asa

517
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,920
didn't get his job on the Walmart
board or something, so he's got to

518
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,559
run prophecy again. I just I
picture like the dining room tables or the

519
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,199
salon tables of people being like,
you've got to run for president, You've

520
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,960
got to do something about this.
And these egomaniacs up there believe it,

521
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:09,280
and everyone says Donald Trump's egomaniac is
funny because everyone in politics is an egomaniac

522
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,400
and they're so completely full of it. I mean, Chris, Chrissy,

523
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,679
dude, go go go go fetch
a water bottle for Donald Trump like he

524
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:21,119
did last time. Go go shut
down a bridge, get get out of

525
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,639
here. He said he had a
couple of decent lines, but I mean,

526
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,480
he's just he's not as he's not
as great as he thinks he is.

527
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,039
I probably wouldn't be the first person
to tell him that. Yeah,

528
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,840
no, I think that's true.
Any final thoughts on the debate, Chris

529
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,199
No, Yeah, I only thought
it was fun. I enjoyed it.

530
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,039
It was it was more blood sport
than these things he used to be thought.

531
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,760
Yeah. Yeah, people got really
at it, and it'll be interesting

532
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,559
to see how it shakes out.
It's it's kind of a pointless exercise in

533
00:36:54,639 --> 00:36:58,960
some ways, you pointed out,
But I mean, who knows. We're

534
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,360
still quite a ways away from this
election. I didn't see any real breakouts,

535
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,719
but I'm definitely interested to see what
happens in the back because he did

536
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,639
well and I really liked his line
us against Chris Christie, and he's like,

537
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,599
we can't be motivated by the politics
and grievance. He's like, that's

538
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:16,679
your entire run, explicitly, that
is why you were running. It's grievance.

539
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:21,920
So Cannon and that was That was
good. I liked this line about

540
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,920
Christie hugging Obama too. Yeah,
help him win, You'll help me win.

541
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,800
Yeah. DeSantis is again down by
about twenty six points in Iowa,

542
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,119
but he is according to the RCP
average, so he's in a distant second,

543
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,840
but second nonetheless, and he's put
basically all of his campaign's eggs in

544
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,320
the Iowa basket. That's the kind
of Jeff ro game plan. It's what

545
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,239
he did with Ted Cruise in twenty
sixteen. Of course, President Ted Cruise

546
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,519
went on to win a very successful
election after Iowa. Obviously that's a joke

547
00:37:53,159 --> 00:37:58,559
because Ted Cruz lost despite winning Iowa. So that tells you basically what I

548
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:01,239
think about the Iowa trate. This
Well, we did get out of that.

549
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:06,079
We got Ted Cruise three point zero, which was good for a while

550
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,440
until until Tucker left Fox News and
then we went back to Ted Cruz one

551
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,480
point zero. But but we had
we have had a couple of good runs,

552
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:19,079
different versions, different programs that have
been started into Senator Cruise's brain.

553
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,880
Too soon to tell, Too soon
to tell, But that is to say,

554
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,920
the math in this thing is really
difficult for anyone else. It's not

555
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,639
unheard of because if you look at
Iowa, it's sort of the opposite of

556
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:35,800
the national picture. And that's in
that most voters are voting for someone other

557
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,800
than Donald Trump. They're saying they're
they're supporting someone other than Donald Trump.

558
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,559
He's below the fifty percent threshold in
Iowa, where he's above the fifty percent

559
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:46,000
threshold everywhere else. So you're you're
not going to have enough people drop out,

560
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,960
like the DEM's orchestrated to consolidate that
vote. In all likelihood, maybe

561
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,119
just say go ahead. It might
not make the bet. I mean not

562
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,159
to be too crass here, but
like you're Gavin news Time or some one

563
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,599
or a Republican running who's in a
distance second or third place against Dounald Shump.

564
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,599
I mean, how SUPERTI gonna feel
off one of these octogenarians stroke out

565
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:14,119
before the election. Need'd be a
heck of a life insurance policy to sell

566
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,079
on these guys for running the line. Of the campaign trail. The oldest

567
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,360
Americans are have ever done. That
might as well, you know, throw

568
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,960
your card and see what happens on
the stage. I mean, as as

569
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:29,320
Lindsey Graham advised John McCain back in
the day, Oh yeah, you should

570
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,440
run for president. Why because it's
fun? He said, it's not.

571
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,480
It's not like it's your money,
except that some of these cases there's other

572
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:38,199
people's money. It's fun, Go
ahead and do it. Yeah, and

573
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:43,880
actually to that point, yeah,
so it's it's listen, anything can happen.

574
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,840
I feel like you and I have
learned from twenty sixteen and most of

575
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,639
the well, no not most of
I feel like, at least conservative media

576
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,480
is pretty good about not jumping to
conclusions this early in the game. There's

577
00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,679
a long time before voters go to
the polls. It's very unlikely that anything

578
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,760
changes in terms of Donald Trump's massive
lead. Uh you know, maybe someone

579
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840
gets it down to a fifteen point
lead. I don't know enough to make

580
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,199
the cable network say it's a really
close one and get ratings, maybe enough

581
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,079
to get Donald Trump onto a debates
days, which I would love to see

582
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:20,239
because who wouldn't need the champion to
come back. We need to come on,

583
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,039
get back in the ring rocky art
of the Donald Man. But that

584
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,360
said, Chris, actually this was
a sort of perfect week for you to

585
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:37,679
publish this delayed response to the Freedom
Conservatives, including our own David Harsani,

586
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,320
who we love, We loved.
Morley and David have debated this, and

587
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,840
everyone on staff has has given David
simguff for signing onto the Freedom Conservatives letter.

588
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:52,480
In disclosure, the Freedom Conservatives letter
was a response to the nat CON's

589
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:54,039
letter, which I did sign.
Chris, did you sign that? You

590
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:59,920
don't sign letters? I don't sign
letters. One Also, I missed the

591
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,960
invite maybe they said the wrong address, and I want to ask me to

592
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,239
sign that. I get asked to
sign a lot of tech letters because I'm

593
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,639
a tech executive. Remember, I
hope the listeners remember that like a year

594
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,719
or so when I had to tech
executive Chris Bedford. But it was real.

595
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:21,239
So the Freedom Conservatives, led by
O vic Roy who's been on this

596
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,880
podcast as well. He and he's
been served around DC conservative circles for a

597
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,159
long time. They wrote over Romney
circles and Ribo circles and to the nat

598
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:35,480
Coon letter circles, I think it
was most like a year ago that the

599
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,400
Natcon Letter publish a year ago and
is basically a really boilerplate expression of national

600
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,800
conservatism, exactly what you would expect
for the most part if you've been following

601
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,000
those debates closely and have a i
would say, accurate understanding of what the

602
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,159
Natcon project is about. The Freedom
Conservative Letter was published, I think a

603
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,840
few weeks ago. Now they've been
amassing more and more Yeah, five weeks

604
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,480
ago, so they've been amassing more
and more signatories from sort of the old

605
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,079
conservative movement circles. Yeah, but
when you say like the old conservative movement,

606
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:14,199
it makes me think of like awesome
people like Taft, like like Vigory

607
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:21,480
are Bill Rusher, That's what I
think. I'm the old conservative these are

608
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,480
These are just it's the tired right
and the reason I thank the world.

609
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:31,159
It's basically our friends, and we
have a few friends in this list excluded.

610
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:36,320
The signatories of this list are people
who either had a little bit of

611
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,320
sway in twenty and ten or people
who appeared to be up and coming in

612
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,039
twenty ten but whose waves never really
crested and you forgot about them. So

613
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,239
five weeks after it was published,
Chris, which is when I noticed it

614
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,719
because no one noticed it, because
no one cared. I mean, it

615
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,039
was a tree falling in the woods. Nason statement has something new to say,

616
00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,960
which is why it was interesting.
There's like this was like a watered

617
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:05,199
down, a neutered version of the
Sharon statement, which has had something new

618
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,559
to say that even I'm so sick
of this. People was smirching the name

619
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:12,199
of Ronald Reagan, and people was
smirching the Sharon statement. Yes, it's

620
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,639
so obnoxious. Why don't you,
you know, get off my lap and

621
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,199
go get your own girl. It's
ridiculous. Well, and this statement,

622
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,960
I would argue, the smirches the
name of the Sharon statement and uses it

623
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,639
as it's kind of predic hit.
But Chris, you were so people can

624
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,960
read Chris's response to The Washington Examiner, I highly recommend checking it out,

625
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:34,360
not just because he cribbed a joke
from me in the middle of the piece,

626
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,760
but an excellent joke that got a
lot of reach weets. And you

627
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,079
know I did get I did give
you credit on this podcast, but not

628
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,519
anywhere else. Okay, but tell
us some people can read this in the

629
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:50,519
Washington Examiner. But basically tell us
how you rebutted the Freedom con letter,

630
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:55,519
which was essentially embracing free market principles, free trade basically fusionism is what they

631
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,079
said, we're standing behind the three. Have you guys have heard of free

632
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,000
trade? Okay? So Chris,
what did you write about the Examiner here?

633
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,079
So, I mean, here's the
thing is, the statement itself is

634
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:14,079
largely unobjectionable. It's kind of just
the same sort of things that the right

635
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:17,679
has clung to for thirty years of
American decline. You know, they had

636
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:22,519
to quote and there that their immigration
is the principal driver of American prosperity.

637
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,000
Really, that one is the only
thing I found but really obnoxiously objectionable.

638
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,599
But what came out after it is
kind of just a boiler plate list of

639
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,840
old and I think often fairly tired
of publican ideas that really haven't had the

640
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,880
tools necessary to to deal with the
ninth based platitudes, but not not not

641
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,079
wartime platitudes. But what came out
afterwards is some of these leaders of these

642
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,119
writers, these writers came out and
they made their intentions clear that this was

643
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,599
not just a hallmark card of conservative
principles. This was an attack on the

644
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:59,000
national conservative idea, an attack on
they were naming these people, not just

645
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:00,400
Donald Trump. I'm to say us, you know the kind of people go

646
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,400
after Disney and say, now you're
not going to grow my kids with sexual

647
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
perversion. Or Senator jd Vance,
you know, how dare he go after

648
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:13,920
the people who like the railroads for
blowing up his town. The Libertarians are

649
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,519
apoplectic that jd Vance wants to regulate
the railroads for blowing the town off the

650
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:21,400
map in Ohio. They want to
go after Josh Holly and people who are

651
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,159
like, hey, maybe maybe we
should take a look at the mental health.

652
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,199
It's complete implosion of mental health and
teenage girls that seems to be related

653
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,800
to technology. Basically, anyone who's
willing to wield government power to fight the

654
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,400
revolutionary left. And they have all
these people coming out saying it's a new

655
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:45,559
chapter in American conservatism. This list
Reason, which is like thoroughly anti conservative

656
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:49,440
and in some ways anti American,
called it a much needed breath of fresh

657
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,559
air. Avic Roy called all these
people, he called the New Right,

658
00:45:52,599 --> 00:46:00,559
a faction of cranks. And this
is the idea of fighting back with government

659
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,440
government. I'm finding government power with
government power is going to lead to disaster.

660
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:09,320
It's just like, look around you. And when you do look around

661
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,679
you, I think Matt Lewis,
who was one of the signers. First

662
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,239
of all, when you see a
document that's been signed, you know,

663
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,119
like that's an objectual look at the
signers, just to make sure that you

664
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,239
think that. I mean one of
these signers is Jet Bush. I mean,

665
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:28,760
his granted politics were just completely rejected
by the Republican electorate. He's absolutely

666
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,159
soft Republicanism, and there's no place
for you. You have. You have

667
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:37,840
Jonah Goldberg, who's just a wheezy
once was out there, whose job now

668
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,960
is to be controlled opposition, attacking
people to his right, which is most

669
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,119
people. Because latest cause if you
go to his blog, is how small

670
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,920
dollar donors, you know, the
kind of people who like derailed Jet Bush

671
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:57,039
are such a huge problem. You
got Kevin Williams. He's someone who who

672
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:01,280
said during the twenty sixteen elections of
twenty fifteen primaries that these small white towns

673
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:07,119
that are struggling through drug abuse and
joblessness and have been left behind all these

674
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,800
free trade policies they quote, deserve
to die. Williams, You've got you've

675
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,840
got a listen. Yeah, Williams
said, he works for he works for

676
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,239
Jonah. Now you've got a list
of fairer on there. He goes on

677
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,840
the View every day and it's tax
conservatives. These are the kind of people

678
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,639
who are largely signing is the major
and Andrew except for are very good friends

679
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,400
who we love people. And Matt
Lewis said he looked at this thing as

680
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,239
sort of a remnant now, and
he drew on the biblical term of those

681
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,480
who are left behind following an apocalypse. I'm sitting there thinking, what's the

682
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:42,280
apocalypse? And it turns out the
apocalypse is like they lost their seeing their

683
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,719
Fox contracts, They lost their seeing
in contracts. They don't have the same

684
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,159
access to power anymore. Donald Trump
came around that the right has shifted away

685
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,400
from the donors who just wanted to
sell jobs overseas. That is the apocalypse.

686
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,039
And I don't think that that.
I don't think that compares to the

687
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:02,000
catastrophes that we've felt over the last
twenty years. So republican and democratic rule

688
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,239
of our wars abroad, I don't
think that compares to the catastrophes that we've

689
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,119
seen in the collapse of Americans,
America's Christian faith, and the catastrophes of

690
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:15,079
mental health, the catastrophes of drug
addiction, the catastrophes of free trade,

691
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,880
hollowed out our industries and taking out
of the core of America and replacing it

692
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,920
with fan from China. I think
those are like the actual catastrophes, and

693
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,639
those are the things that the New
Rights looking to talk about. And I

694
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:34,960
think the best example I've found of
just how these guys don't understand what point

695
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,559
we're in is Avic Roy. He
said he was in a concession. When

696
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,239
concession concession to the National Conservatives,
He's like, you're right, you know,

697
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,320
big business has really turned us back
in the GOP and the examples he

698
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:52,920
gave was working with China, which
is good a good example, and selling

699
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,599
us out in Obamacare, and it's
like, dude, where have you been

700
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:01,639
the last twelve years, Because right
now big business and big pharma have built

701
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:07,519
an industry around chemically castrating our children. They are they're they're they're putting sexual

702
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:15,079
stuff into Disney films. They're Big
business is forcing people to get a vaccine

703
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:19,199
that turned out one not to work
and two to cause massive health problems in

704
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,400
every single country on the planet is
willing to investigate, it seems, except

705
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,840
for the United States. A brightness, hard conditions, a sudden rise,

706
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,440
and young people's desks like the big
business selling us out in Obamacare. Maybe

707
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,199
would be a good time for a
statement like this. But what's going on

708
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,159
right now is there. They're in
the trenches. This is this is a

709
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:43,840
battle for survival. It's like what
we're saying. It's not morning in America

710
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,280
right now. It's pretty dark.
And I was looking at this. I'm

711
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,159
rewatching John Adams now for like the
fifth time with Sarah. I did that

712
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,559
last year, and it is.
You know what's funny is it is as

713
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:59,719
bingeable as Sopranos wire it is,
so do you like the Sopranos? No?

714
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,760
But I learned the hard way that
no woman likes the Sopranos because I

715
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,199
showed it to Ernest, like I've
I bet I'm as Les the Sopranos,

716
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,800
but most don't. I haven't given
it a fitter shot, to be honest,

717
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,760
I haven't given it a fair shot, and I keep meaning to.

718
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:22,480
But anyway, it's very benchbol so
this These guys are at about two hundred

719
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,519
signatories right now, they're at about
four times what the Declaration of Independence was

720
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:30,800
signed by. But well, unlike
those people who really took a stand and

721
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,000
came out with something new, they
really remind me of the folks and the

722
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,800
Continental Congress who was saying, we
need to send the king another letter.

723
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:44,000
And you got the Massachusetts delegation there
being like Boston's under siege. They're they're

724
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,880
bombing our cities, they're shooting us
and conquered in Lexington the paper. The

725
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,480
people have risen up all over New
England to go and fight. And you

726
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:52,639
guys want to send another letter.
I got news to you. By the

727
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,400
way, the King hates you and
it's not going to respond to you,

728
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:59,760
and he's not going to say,
all right, you know, everything's cool,

729
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,360
We're cool, and you can have
your rights. And uh, this

730
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,760
Freedom con letter really snapped of that. It's like, well, what if

731
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:14,159
we just we assert that we think
America as an idea open to the whole

732
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:19,800
world, and that idea is free
trade, maybe maybe then we'll defeat these

733
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,679
companies and the pharmaceutical companies is insurance
companies, These people who over the last

734
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:29,239
couple of years have shut down your
churches, put masks on your children,

735
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:31,840
putting needles into their arm, or
kicking them out of college, and they

736
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,599
don't get a third and fourth and
fifth booster are lying to you over whenever

737
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,199
we're again are imprisoning their political opponents, and you're like, in a release

738
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,599
this letter, it's just I'm not
going to say the term what time it

739
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,679
is because it's been overused, But
these guys don't seem to know what decade

740
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,440
it is. I've always hated that
term. This is my confession, like

741
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:57,679
usher, and I need to confess. I see I I loved it until

742
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,679
and I really like Kevin Roberts new
head of hair. But the moment he

743
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,840
said it in a speech at nat
CON, I was like, that's it.

744
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:09,119
The adult, the adults circles into
rock and roll, find something.

745
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:15,280
He would he would actually be very
amused by that. Funny it's when Fox

746
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,639
when Fox News played Richmond North of
Richmond, I was like, damn that

747
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,599
such such a cool song, so
uncool so quickly now that it's mainstream.

748
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,039
Chris is like, this is the
old Chris Bedbard coming out right now?

749
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:36,440
Uh No, that's I actually thought
your Your response was was well stated and

750
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:38,679
a lot of this. Actually,
Michael Brennan Doherty, when that letter first

751
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,719
came out, said he signed the
letter. He was like, listen,

752
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,320
I signed the Natcorn letter, and
I basically could have signed the free Con

753
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,440
letter. And that was exactly my
response to it as well, that like,

754
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:53,199
there was one thing I think I
would have quibbled within it, but

755
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,719
I also had quibbles with the nat
Con letter. It's more like the reason

756
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,199
to sign these things, which I'm
not a big fan of doing, but

757
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:06,079
the reason to sign these things is
basically speaker invitations. Of course, yes,

758
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:12,440
demand attention for a change, and
they're demanding attention for the opposite,

759
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,559
which I guess is very conservative kind
of off. It says like the conservative

760
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:21,920
temperament, like we demand attention that
for the status quo. But but you

761
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,239
have to look at their writings around
it and you can go They kind of

762
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,800
summarize them all on their sub sec
which is like designed to make it seem

763
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,119
like the statements a new Knew has
any new ideas, isn't it are basically

764
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,679
the Federals papers, like a very
dumb version of the Federals papers. For

765
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,000
the coding the true intent of the
authors, not all not all the stigmatories,

766
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,119
you know, not not our friends
but Avic Roy and other people,

767
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:49,800
like they kind of lay out like, hey, here's like these really,

768
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,320
you know, it's very soft,
very calm, like you could listen to

769
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,519
some small music where you read it. But in reality, we hate the

770
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,079
nat Cons and we hate where all
the energy is, and we hate that

771
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:04,159
we're not longer in power, and
Matt Lewis is here too. For some

772
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,280
people, the fight is one that's
personal, and so then the policy discussions

773
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,280
take like they're they're on the back
burner. For some people, it's very

774
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,480
much like I think a misunderstanding of
national conservatism, which I think from a

775
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,719
conservative perspective, from the perspective of
somebody who signed the Sharon's Statement, is

776
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:28,760
unobjectionable. These are wholly compatible projects, which is why I think the only

777
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,480
quibble I had with the free Kind
statement was the weird like poison pill about

778
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:37,840
racial free market stuff. It was
very I'm not I think it's really open

779
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,400
and his hatred of Barry Goldwater and
these nineteen sixty four presidential run and thinks

780
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,199
that's where the goop went wrong.
So was it once again an interesting thing

781
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,000
to kind of crib on the Sharon
statement, which is where, by the

782
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:53,119
way, Christopher Caldwell would agree that
that's where the GOP went wrong, because

783
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:58,480
that was largely i mean boosted by
the Republican Party, and Barry Goldwater was

784
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:01,239
kind of like the crazy outwater outlier
that had popular support on the right at

785
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,079
the time. So that's actually quite
an interesting It was so much. It's

786
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,800
just such a lazy response to say
that Barry goldwaters vote against the Civil Rights

787
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,960
Sact was the defining moment, I
mean the decades of work. But the

788
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:21,559
Democratic Party put into two, putting
in on the local level and the state

789
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,280
level, minority leaders and every position
they could. And by the way,

790
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,360
they look at the Congressional Black Caucus, they don't care if you are an

791
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,960
absolute and total criminal. They don't
care if you're embezzling, they don't care

792
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,480
if you're like over crime, vote
they're going to They use identity politics.

793
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,039
They put people in positions of power, and the GOP was always like,

794
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:43,679
we're color blind, but it was
always generally a pretty white club, and

795
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,800
I think voters were acted more to
that than they do too, Like less

796
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:53,719
people could identify Barrey gold Orders nineteen
sixty four vote than could identify like an

797
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,960
average statue that activists are tearing down. It's just there's nothing. It's much

798
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,280
more realistic work us from put into
that then and simply go wader. By

799
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,440
the way, I think that's one
more interesting thing on the debate as we

800
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:07,639
wrap up here, which is just
that I think the word woke was maybe

801
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:12,400
used once, and it was in
passing by Nicky Haley if I remember direct

802
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:16,960
goodness, yes, but but uh, you know, there were still there's

803
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,639
still a really important conversation about the
culture war to be had, and that's

804
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:27,119
what the crutch when people are like
to stay and ask what are we gonna

805
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,800
do about you? We're gonna stop
the woke military, I'm like, dude,

806
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,800
figure Roster answer, you had it
right the first time. Well,

807
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:37,159
I think it's it's interesting because twenty
twenty three is a very different year than

808
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,639
twenty twenty one and twenty twenty and
and Rond de Santis really made a lot

809
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,760
was pretty yeah, right, But
no, I just mean the moment has

810
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,199
that that we're in a different moment
than were in twenty twenty twenty twenty one.

811
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,440
Culture what time it is? No, that's not what I mean.

812
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,639
I mean that there was a huge
appetite for that when people's kids were home

813
00:56:55,679 --> 00:57:00,199
from school, uh, and they
were seeing the curriculum and the cities were

814
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,079
being you know, looted and burned, which they still are, but not

815
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:07,079
in the same degree and not on
everyone. I'm sorry, I didn't mean

816
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,559
to be insensitive, but anyway,
so I thought that was an interesting takeaway

817
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,880
from the debate as well. But
when the free cons are writing their letters

818
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:21,280
and not realizing the level or not
acknowledging, like what in your prescription for

819
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:27,360
the country is going to change the
fact that we have the level of incompetence

820
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:30,320
in the education system that we have
right now that like kids can't read,

821
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:37,039
Uh, that there's there's spiking levels
of suicidality. What about Uh? It

822
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:43,440
just is Yeah, it's truly truly
insane, I think. And it's a

823
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:49,719
matter if ed Phoner style conservatism worked, then America would not be in the

824
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,719
situation. It is the only reason
it's relevant to talk and I think you

825
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,719
hit on this in your piece about
these two dueling letters back and forth,

826
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,559
is because it's a matter of where
the Republican parties and the Republican Party is,

827
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,960
Like, I don't give a damn
about the Republican Party. You don't

828
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,000
give a damn about the Republican Party, but it's the vehicle towards any serious

829
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:10,519
change, Like it's not going to
be the Democratic Party, it's going to

830
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:15,760
be the Republican Party. That's going
to be the plausible vehicle to conservative change

831
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,360
in this country. And the only
the only way to do that is to

832
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,760
have a Republican party that actually prioritizes
what deserves to be prioritized. So nobody

833
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:30,960
has a problem with free freaking markets. Having a slightly different industrial policy is

834
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:37,480
really not like news flag industrial policies. We have industrial policy, and you

835
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:42,599
probably wouldn't dispute unless you're one of
the hardcore libertarians or you're David Harsani,

836
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:45,880
who's a very principled man, you
probably wouldn't dispute that you need some government

837
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,920
intervention in healthcare in the military.
In fact, I think a lot of

838
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:58,280
you love the industrial policy in the
military. So ahead recent pieces that are

839
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,760
trying to say you should support people
who support an industrial policy bought to support

840
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:08,280
the war in Ukraine, Right,
Yeah. The attacks on Rachel Bovard for

841
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:15,480
making a National Review editor who wrote
in their Peace that this is contributing to

842
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:20,119
the American economy. The Ukraine War
effort is contributing to the American economy because

843
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:23,960
it is pumping jobs into the defense
industry. We're selling them weapons, sure,

844
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:30,559
but we give them to them,
but the government's paying will fight back.

845
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,239
Yeah, I mean it's she's the
right person to pick on. If

846
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,360
you want to fight, she can
handle it anyway. All that is to

847
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,599
say, that's the only reason these
like dueling letters count because the people who

848
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,719
in DC pay attention to which direction
the wind is blowing. Obviously they love

849
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:52,119
doing that. It's their their only
skill. And the things that you prioritize,

850
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:54,199
like we do not need to prioritize
a debate about the righteousness of free

851
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:58,679
markets right now, because we're all
on the same page. It's a matter

852
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:05,280
of prioritize, and it's not a
matter of like socialism and communism versus conservatism

853
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,199
when it in the same way that
it was when the Sharon's Statement, which

854
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,960
still holds up was drafted by those
young Americans for Freedom up in Connecticut.

855
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:17,199
Sharon Connecticut at the Buckley Estate in
nineteen sixty, speaking on the Buckley's say,

856
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,599
we ought to get some friend of
Jim Buckley on to talk about him.

857
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,360
Maybe nextly. That's right, Chris
Well, I hope you have a

858
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:28,480
great time in Colorado. I hope
will goes. Of course you already are.

859
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,679
Yeah, I've been here for twenty
five minutes and started talking to us.

860
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,840
Been great, by the way,
what's your like? Quick thirty second

861
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,559
take on Trump and Tucker? They
sat down for like. It was a

862
01:00:42,639 --> 01:00:45,639
long interview. I mostly just read
the transcript some interesting parts. Asked him

863
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:51,840
about Jeffrey Epstein, asked him about
Bill Barr. What did you make It's

864
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,239
it's got hundreds of millions of views
on X but those aren't really real that

865
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,400
you can have second and get a
view. But probably how has a lot

866
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:01,840
of views. Nonetheless, what did
you make of that choice? And what

867
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,599
did you make of the interview?
I think it was it was interesting television.

868
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:12,559
I think that Tucker really likes the
hard for him, he really hated

869
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,599
the constraints that television interviews put on
him, where they were very short,

870
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:21,880
he needed to make soundbites. They
were very combative and much more enjoyed podcasts,

871
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,199
I like you did with the Federals. So I think it was our

872
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:30,679
top podcast at least of that year
or or the Fox Nation show. He

873
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:36,159
just he likes those long conversations,
and there was some really I've rewounded Rewasick

874
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:40,800
four times his making fun of Chris
Wallace. It was so parfect, such

875
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:47,119
an awful little man. But but
I do also hope that after this you

876
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:52,679
know, cool bath that he's taking
from the news media, that he does

877
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,119
jump back in because there were some
really hard questions that Tucker's a very good

878
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,199
at asking. Donald Trumpson was the
hardest person interview the planet. He will

879
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:05,440
dominate the conversation and go in a
million different directions and some more, sometimes

880
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,320
intentionally, sometimes unintentionally, but it
takes out of mind like Tuckers or are

881
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:15,480
I think Juxta Jonathan's wanted a good
job to really nail on some of the

882
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:21,639
stuff. But I would like to
see some of those hard questions asked.

883
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,119
And I understand why there was a
different feel for this interview, and it's

884
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:30,239
something he's going for at this moment. But we need voices like Tucker asking

885
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:37,159
those difficult questions, and I think
we'll get another shot at that. And

886
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:42,480
I'm glad I was an entertaining interview, but I do look forward to kind

887
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:45,039
of I don't want to. I
like the long form stuff, but I

888
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:46,920
look forward to a return to all
right, well, I'm gonna nail you

889
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,079
on like the ASA hutchets and stuff. You know, let's talk about this.

890
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,119
I'm not going to let you out
the hook. And obviously we saw

891
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,920
at the town hall he still could
do that at any point whenever he wants

892
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,840
to. But I'd like to see
a little more of that. Yeah,

893
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,360
I agree completely with that. And
you know, he's building, so it

894
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,360
seems like it's processed. But hopefully
he gets back to that soon. I

895
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,239
like the intro too, seemed like
an intro that we would have filmed for

896
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,280
one of our Federals videos, like
just hanging out on the corner. Yeah,

897
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,679
if people didn't see it, it's
them with like their arms crossed,

898
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,159
looking straight into the camera lens.
Looks like it looks like a like a

899
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,320
like white Guy's trying to do like
a hip hop album covers a TikTok video

900
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,239
like Everyone's Bob and I had at
the same time or something. Yeah,

901
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:28,920
by the way, if you want
to look at all the hip hop stuff,

902
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,559
try to find the promotional materials for
Tucker Tucker's MSNBC show, which was

903
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:37,079
called Tucker with an exclamation point.
They dressed him up as a pimp like

904
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,639
in nineteen seventies crime fighting pimp and
had him jumping off of cars with explosions

905
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:46,400
behind him like Star Skin Hutch.
Yeah, but with like a pimp pado

906
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:52,760
even Okay, all right, Yeah. His wife, who likes to prank

907
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,960
him, furnished all of the promotional
materials to his business partner, Neil Patel

908
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:04,199
decorated the Data Colors office with to
the chagrin hope mister Carlson Well Christopher Bedford,

909
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:10,079
Executive Vedor at the Common Sense Society, Live today from Colorado, Beautiful

910
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,639
Colorado, sunny Colorado. I hope
you have a good weekend, you too.

911
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:15,679
All right, you've been listening to
another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

912
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,920
I'm Emily Deshnsky, culture editor here
at the Federalist. Until then,

913
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:27,679
belovers of freedom and anxious for the
phrase the flowers and the bos that you

914
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:33,719
ball today stand