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in Colorado right now, sipping a nice cold beer. How you doing,
man, I'm doing great. I just got Colorado. I'm out here for
the Steamboat Institute conference where Sarah Oh Federalist Radio Hour stame is speaking. She's
our fellows here. She's handing off the title to the next fellow, which
is one of her colleagues and someone else who I actually haven't met. There's
two this year. And the first thing I did was she was checking in,
because you know, I'm kind of like the plus one. I'm the
arm candy this weekend was I said, Darling, you've got this, and
I went straight to the bar to get a cold, refreshing taste of the
Colorado Rockies. In course line. Oh there you go. Not a course
heavy. Well, I'm gonna do a course heavy later. But I wanted
the draft. I like courted banquet. The banquet beers the best. And
if there's a banquet beers on tap, then I'm not leaving. I'm putting
Hank Williams in my headphones. I'm sitting down and I'm staying there forever.
You notice I do have headphones actually today, Yeah, from the courtesy I
lied to you earlier. It's courtesy of United Airlines. Well, we're here
today to talk about one of the biggest Pence events in politics of the year.
Actually, that was maybe a Freudian slit by accidentally said one of the
biggest. It's almost on like E Pence, as in Mike Pence, who
had a heck of a performance last Yeah, but I do think it's it's
a good place to start, just to say, absolutely nothing that happened on
that debate stage is going to put a dent, a serious dent. And
Donald Trump's forty point lead, maybe a couple of points go to vivek Ramaswami
here and there, maybe a couple go to Nicki Haley. Whatever it is,
I don't know. But one thing I do know is that Donald Trump's
forty point lead nationally and twenty six ish point lead in Iowa is comfortable.
After that debate last night, Chris, What's I think? It's probably true?
I was. I had three screens open all night. I was watching
the Arlanton memorial hearing on the on the memorial to the Confederacy there or to
the Reconciliation Memorial, and I was watching the debate, and I decided to
turn off Tucker and watch him afterwards. I'll talk an interview with Trump.
You know, it was entertaining. I'll tell you, I think that Donald
Trump has like completely and totally changed the way that debates will ever be held
again. And you know, Penn's got a lot of people were making fun
of him, and people said he did really poorly. I was happy he
was up there. He was more aggressive than I've seen him in years,
and I kind of forgot that Mike Pence was like that. And the first
time I ever saw him was in person, was at a buck in the
day I went to Americans for Tax Reforms breakfast meeting. He came into a
room full of libertarians wanted to yell him about marijuana policy, and he just
went toe to toe with them. And I remember looking at that and being
like, I like this guy. He's wanting to argue with people about what
he believes. And I don't think I think he came away from the Trump
presidency and even the Indiana governorship with a reputation for not, you know,
I'm being a tough guy. I would say, this is a child from
a podcast, so how can he use the word that comes to mind?
But I think that was part of his mission last night when he went out
into the base stages like Mark shorts like show him how tough you are,
Mike, And he goes out there to start of swinging on people, and
I don't think I've ever seen anyone get under his skin as much as Vivek
got under his skin. And basically everyone on the Stagia scared. Nicky Hayley
looked like she was about to have an aneurism. At one point, Chris
Chrissie was Screamnettam. The whole thing went off the rail so quickly. I
mean, I was on just before the debate with Laura Ingraham was talking about
what I expected, and I wish there wasn't like a record of that,
because I thought that everyone was going to have to really go for a santis.
And what I failed to see was that Vivek was up there is kind
of like a stand in for Donald Trump, this kind of wild man guy
who likes the former president quite a bit, who is going to go to
the right of everyone, actually to the right of Donald Trump and a lot
of these different things and made him and it was going to swing on everyone
right away. And like one of the questions my friends asked me afterwards was
do you think if you sink around to say this was wells to set up
this debate because he might as well have so much oxygen was taken up.
But Vec just swinging left and right and then people piloting on him. See
it made it seem like he was the front runner of the people on that
stage, and it was it was entertaining television, like the vague was the
front runner. And that's what it seemed like when you came away from the
debate. He got I think he probably I didn't actually do analysis on this
the mike, but he probably had the most speaking of anyone. So the
New York Times at an analysis of this. Let me pull it up.
He had the second most speaking I know that much. Let me check one
more time. Who had the top speaking Okay, so it was Pence,
Ramaswamy, Christie De Santis, Hailey, Scott, Bergham, and Hutchinson.
Asa. Poor little Asa only spoke for seven and a half minutes. Bergham
spoke for eight minutes, then Tim Scott only got fifteen more seconds, and
then Bergham eight minutes. Mike Pennce had twelve and a half minutes of speaking
time he had for those, Yeah, he sure did. And that's well.
So I actually want to talk about that because I found it like very
unbecoming, let's say, of a former vice president of the United States,
and I will say the same thing also of Tim Scott, Nicky Haley,
and Chris Christy, who I think made this mistake. The guy who's up
by forty points isn't even in the room. You are all former elected officials
or current effective elected officials on a high level, and you are up there
scrambling desperately throwing elbows to get an extra couple seconds of speaking time on the
JV stage basically because you're not even there with a front runner. I thought
it looked really desperate and sad for these people who came out were desperate.
Well yeah, here's here's the thing though, it makes sense if you're the
vake Ramaswamy, right like you, If you're a vake Ramaswamy, all you
need is time because you're trying to up your name. I d. You
don't really have anything to lose, is you don't have a national reputation to
throw away. You're trying to just build a national reputation. And the analogy
that I've been seeing in my head from last night's debate is that it was
remember those two tier Republican debates from twenty sixteen. That debate was basically the
second tier the whole time. And it reminds me of jav basketball. So
what you had was you have a couple of us was almost laid out one
of the candidates. Well yeah, so you have exactly Okay, so you
have a couple of varsity players. And I would say Trump and to Santi's
who you know, de Santis is really far behind Trump, but he is
also he has been ahead of other candidates. It's that has narrowed now with
Ramaswamy. But what I will say is Vivek is basically the freshman who is
going to take whatever Donkey can, even if he misses, just to show
people he can jump. If you are Mike Pence and you are the former
vice president and you're trying to dunk left and right on the little freshman and
the other JV players, it looks pathetic and desperate. On the other hand,
run to sand who, I think it's true, is not historically a
great debater, not an amazing debater. He did exactly what he needed to
do, because it is the most important thing you could have recognized going into
that debate is you are not fundamentally going to change a forty point lead from
Donald Trump in a debate with however many other people on the stage. It's
just not going to happen. So you need to just blend in, not
make mistakes, take no risks. You'll be fine. And he actually pulled
that off. But why, I mean, I mean, I don't know
why half of these guys were even up there. The governor of North Dakota
like putting all of his money in and going out and the killings he'll I
think was what the people say are tending is what he heard. That's a
that's that's agonizing pain. So he went up there and and then he gave
a speech from two thousand and nine, and I thought, why are you
so much work into this? Like what way? It's like like the level
of effort he has put in to get on that stage and talk and go
to that pain was like I thought, you had a message from God.
These are gonna be the city will be destroyed if you do not repent.
But he said, he was like, I like teachers, you know,
I think we should have federals And why are you here? And you know
I'm not a big generally Pens defender, but I said, I understand his
I would be like that if if if he spent four years under Trump kind
of getting bullied and yelled at by all the neo cons and all the never
Trumpers and called a trader, and then I'm just kind of doing his job
occasionally belittled by the president. He's a hard man to work for, Like,
I don't know why anybody would be scrambling to be Donald Trump's like literally
tried to get Pens killed and really didn't really care. Let's say that didn't
care if something bad happened to pens And then and then he has to walk
out. Well everybody he's walking by and people like, go, we'll see
you suck my guts, like why did did why did you? Why did
you trade Trump? Your loser? And he's just been trying to be like
a Christian gentleman and gets back up and then the stage he's got this like,
I love Chris Christie's insult. This will chat GPT that just chirping in
his ear, and he just lost it. He just and he just I
thought it was authentic, and I wish, Oh yeah, I think it
feels like in this I understand. Yeah, but you know what, so
and I say, this is somebody who like it doesn't have the dislike for
Mike Pennce. A lot of people on the right have. I actually empathize
exactly in the way you just laid out with what the last like half decade
has been like for Mike Pence. So get a little bit of a rough
Fred. But I do think there was this exchange where he said Pence said
that Vvek was basically denigrating the American people and said, quote, we need
a government as good as the people. Then an excellent response, and he
said, quote, it is not mourning in America, and Pence was really
against I think you know. The debate opens with a question from Martha McCallum
about the Oliver Anthony's song Richmond North of Richmond, which it's gone mass so
such. Yeah, but now it's over, talks ruins the song. It
was cringeworthy. They dropped a curse word, like to show their guess badass
or something. They played the song I learned from like presentations I gave in
junior high in high school. But if you think that it's cool to play
a song in the presentation, it's not like everyone in the classes of stereo
at you. You have to wait till it's over. And I did it.
I was like, no, it's it was. It was the sin
has missed the point there because he could have been like he could have talked
about people suffering. You could have talked about democrats suffering. It could have
like you've seen the YouTube reactions, the rollings. Don't try to call racists
and everything, but yeah, like black men up there with tears in their
eyes listen to the song, white guys, all people from all walks of
life. We felt like they've been kind of put upon, and there was
it was a song about American suffering, and every candidate just went with their
canned opening response like I'm here to fight the woke left and to stand up
for America. And I thought that was just a missed opportunity. But I'm
sorry I cut you off. And no, that's that's completely relevant because I
was going to draw a line from that opening all the way to Mike Pence.
I mean, it was basically consensus on the right, with the exception
of one writer at National Review that Richmond Richmond was tapping into a popular sentiment.
And for Mike Pence to actually be on the other side of that argument,
I think puts him in a really small group of Republican voters. There
are not a lot of Republican voters who are going to hear Mike Pence say
yet everything is the sort of Reagan Morning in America approach, which, by
the way, wasn't that his re election campaign, right, wasn't that nineteen
eighty four, that morning in acoss Okay? So like it doesn't it like
really, it does not resonate with people now, And for him to fundamentally
not understand that when even Fox News is starting with the Oliver Anthony song.
I think it was actually fairly revealing, and I don't think it came off
well no, I mean pens, I just liked his attitude. I mean
on the points, just like we shall have the stage when they did the
townhall with Tucker Suckers, like, hey, how about these American cities,
these American people that are suffering. He's like, it's not concerned. I'm
concerned with Ukraine. And that's generally the view of a lot of the people
up there. I think a lot of the applause, a lot of the
boot lines of the Beka gut, and a lot of the applause lines that
a lot of the other Canadian's gut. We're completely out of saint, just
like we always have at the base, well at the average Republicans thinking they're
insistenting this grand strategy. Great imagine with the Great Game the European powers played,
It's like, we must fight the Russians in Ukraine in order to defeat
the Chinese and Taiwan to keep the homeland safe, or they'll be here next.
And it's like, you idiots couldn't beat the Taliban shut up. What
are you talking about? I just said, and the people saying you don't
have any foreign policy experience, like, okay, well, I've got twenty
years of watching the experienced people lose wars, and I think the average American
was sitting back and I had a lot of those lines, which for one
of the things that Donald Trump would say, like I don't know how safe
Bush kept us. The Iraq was a mess. I would I'd get out
of it. Right now. The whole audience is booing, how dare you
break this Republican this Republican gospel. But there's a lot of people sitting in
their chairs at home saying, yeah, okay, I hear that. I
agree with that. This guy's speaking truth. And in a lot of those
kind of moments, they go against what the GOP leaders say and certainly what
the donor class says, but are in line. Where was it? Seventy
percent of Republican primary voters are tired of the Ukraine War. I mean one
out of nine of the candidates up there in that stage was tired of the
Ukraine War. So I think who's that who's out of step there? Thanks
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so fired up about Ukraine. Oh my goodness, was she excited for that
exchange with I think it was with vac and it was. It's true.
I think both I've seen people say both Ronda Santis and Tim Scott kind of
took a step back and dodged the question and didn't really commit to giving an
answer in one direction every question asked of him, like every single one.
And again, I actually think that's what he needed to do from his strategy,
because there's nothing at a debate that's going to help. You can only
hurt you when you're down forty points, But you need to that. You
need a breakout moment out because he's down. Yeah, but at debate,
a breakout moment in a debate that not everybody was watching. Really, I
don't. I just don't think that goes that far. I think people needed
to walk away. I mean what you'll see the polls. People need to
walk away and say, you know what, I like that at the Santas
guy. He's speaking really, he's like Trump, who makes he sees Donald
Trump or without all the baggage, which is kind of what his campaign is,
right And I don't but how that in a debate, Well, by
taking Trump stands, you could start off by not looking to the left and
right before you decide how you're going to answer a question that could so explain
people explain what you're talking about when you say that that was I think that
was about the pardon, right, who would who would pardon Donald Trump?
And he looked left and right but shut his arm straight up and he wanted
to check it. It was so there was I mean, or when he
was he was asked multiple times did Mike pennch do the right thing? And
he was like, I don't want to talk about he should have said yeah.
I mean, most of Trump's supporters think that you susplanned like stop the
election from being ratified. Was was not a great plan. I think he's
I think he's been done wrong, but no one's actually saying, like Mike
Pens, I can't believe he did this. I looked up, I know
it was De Santis looked around forever one else, when he was asked if
he would support Donald Trump as the nominee even if he was convicted of a
crime. Yeah, and I think we've talked about this before, but I
continue to believe that exactly the way Viveka is talking about Donald Trump is the
way that Ronda Santis should have been talking about Donald Trump, like, over
and over again from a campaign strategy standpoint. Oh, I mean, Ronda
Santis had no problem talking about Donald Trump that way and doesn't seem to have
developed any major philosophical disagreements with Trump since he was elected re elected governor of
Florida, and he had no problem talking about Trump that way just in the
last cycle. So it's not necessarily a moral question and strategically would be way
better to say what Vivek did. Although Chris, let me turn this question
back over to you. I've heard some people say when Viveka is arguing Donald
Trump was the greatest president of the twenty first century, which again I think
would be a really powerful line for Ronda Santis, and you can tack onto
it, but this is a new moment something like that. People are saying,
Okay, so why is Vivic run for president? Especially since the type
of people that would be attracted to Vivek also might be the ones that are
obviously voting for Trump. Anyway, Well, in fifty years we'll find out
that Vivek was a CIA asset to get Trump the domination and Milanio was actually
was actually qan On. But until then, I vot us have to guess
it's a pretty good guys. Veka was definitely guarding Trump. I think he's
looking for a position he's vice president if he wins, which is a kind
of suicide mission in my opinion or something. I think he's looking to raise
his profile, and he ended up being a real strong guard for Donald Trump,
and that the Bay people didn't get to focus on him because Vivek went
to the right of what any elected former politician was able to do on every
single issue because he never actually had to do any of this stuff. Realized
it's actually hard. Even though I don't know how well ese going to play
with the primary voters. It that Nikiy Haley had a good point on this
on the federal abortion man, It's like, well, were you gonna get
sixty seven senators? So it's a good point. Let's let's stop talking about
it as much. No, I'm not saying let's not stop talking about it.
I think it's a necessary, worthwhile moral struggle, not just something to
shrug off the federalism, but there are serious barriers in the way of actually
doing something about the federal level the bank. By going to that part of
the right, he stopped people like de Sanus from being able to attack Trump,
who's drifted left word on a number of positions from the right. He
basically took a strong flank action. He couldn't he couldn't outflank him because he
kept on going for to the right without any hesitation. And there's a lot
of hesitation he saw in that stage is like, have you guys stopped through
your opinions? Did you guys think this was going to be a sit down
with just a friendly host. This Fox News team is going to do everything
they can to get people to think that they were asking hard questions. And
the last thing that Bred Barrs would want to do when he wakes up is
see a bunch of people say he see through softballs. He wants to He
wants to really fight and take you to task. She make a lot of
the as were prepared for that, but they were unable to get around Burbank
to even go at Trump, and it definitely he ended up serving as kind
of a stand in for the former president on that stage, which is one
of the reasons he became the number one target someone's talking to. Yeah,
he's been smart to take less the right lessons from Trump in terms of campaign
strategy, and I still feel like we've talked about this before. DeSantis and
his team are clinging to the old safe campaign playbook from twenty eight, twenty
twelve, twenty sixteen that everybody thought was the way to go, whereas Viveka
is saying, listen, I'm going to talk in the way the consultants wouldn't
advise me to talking. I'm going to talk like basically the opposite. I'm
going to do every media hit possible, whether it's Russell Brand, breaking point,
whatever it is, I'm going to go on it and the Trump Fauci
strategy exactly. And I'm not saying that it means he should be president.
I'm just saying there there's so many obvious lessons to take from Trump that that
Vek is taking from Trump that none of the other guys are I mean,
they're still running these same tired campaigns because their risk averse because millions of dollars
are on the line, which I understand, but even so you have to
adapt and recognize that it's not going to be a good you're setting that money
on fire. In the case of for instance, Tim Scott, who does
have a lot of donor cash behind him. When he launched his campaign,
the Tim Scott camp was saying, we're in a good position because we have
invested in infrastructure, we do have a lot of resources on our side,
and we'll just be like waiting in the wings as other people might fade away,
We'll be there. But he didn't even I mean, he didn't even
make the most of opportunities that were given to him last night, Like when
questions were directed at him, he didn't even knock them out of the park.
He maybe hit a couple grounders, but he didn't knock anything out of
the park. He did not have I think the moment that you know you
actually if you are that far down, not run. De Santo's in second
place. But if you're in that far down, completely agree. I think
you need to have viral breakout debate moments I think that's one of your only
hopes. But that money is just being set on fire and there's no reason
to be running a campaign like that. I think that's right. I think
I mean the Canadas, the Canadas shined best when they were they had confidence,
when they were assured of their answers. I mean, I remember there
was this great moment in a debate when when back when Charlie Kirk wanted to
bait Tucker Carlson and said he was a liberal before Charlie had his before Sucker
baptized him on stage and brought him around. He was saying, would you
would you ban electric cars if you were president? And Tucker just looked at
him like this the most obvious thing in the world, said yeah, of
course first day, or do not have electric cars? It was self driving
automobiles and because of the impact they were going to have on workforces, He's
like, yeah, of course immediately. And I felt like the Santas had
one of those moments when the moderators said would you use military action against the
cartels? He just looked at them like it was the tombest question in the
world, said yeah, yeah, I would you are you kidding? And
he started the list off all the reasons why he would and it was great,
great, great, just self assured, absolutely, this is a dumb
question. Next question. The only problem is he ended it with darn.
And I usually I prefer not to say damn, but in a debate that
opened up with Fox putting the aspid on the air, you might as well
say you're damn right, because you just it's like the questions of ending you're
awesome mainly tough guy rent with and you're darn tooting and yeah, I don't.
I thought that kind of took a little bit of wind out of it,
but that was a good moment. And I don't know, I want
to hear you who who you think one? Because I feel like a lot
of the coverage, a lot of people who write and conservative media for a
living, myself included, really like Ronni Sanders and thank you'd be an excellent
president. Yeah, but I don't think he did very well in that debate
station last thing. And I think a lot of the takes I saw were
like the two winners, Vervec and Ronda Santis, And I was like,
Okay, I can see the first one, but are you starting on the
second one? Because you like him. I think it's because you like him.
You just want to say what we were watching the same evening. Oh
that's interesting, but uh now maybe you maybe you'd agree with that take and
now accidentally insulted you. No, no, no, that's interesting because I've
seen a lot of the same thing Vivek and De Santis, and I came
in actually really expecting, as someone who is in a similar position, I
think Ron de Santis would probably be a perfectly fine conservative president, the best
president of the people on that stage, I think, yeah, I agree,
and I do like actually like the way he talks about a lot of
things, and you know, generally detest politicians, but there are some hiss
some moments that are actually, like pretty impressive. But I was I had
pretty low expectations of him, just given his history of debates not being that
strong, and came in and thought, you know, basically, I know
we disagree on this question of what he needed to get out of the debate.
You know, I think he just like literally needed to get out of
the debate without like without like, so rodes Santis was wise to give the
debate, just give the debate. But I think actually he had some really
solid moments. I actually thought he took that first question well when he just
responded very clearly and succinctly, America is in decline. I think that is
what Republican voters is that that's their baseline starting point. They want to That's
what every Republican primary has started with in my living memory. No, not
at that openly. I think maybe Reagan, don't. I don't remember Reagan
being running in the primary because I was I was born in eighty six.
Yeah, you're not, and Jed and I know George W. Bush.
I mean, the only thing I remember from that election was watching the Ross
Pero and for Marshall the night before the election, and my mom being like,
I wish I'd voted for him, and me thinking that guy sounds pretty
smart from Prospero. Yeah, by the way, totally correct. I stand
by my five year old opinion or six year old opinion. I think you're
right, because if you if you go to what the twenty twelve campaign looked
like, not so much two thousand and eight from the Republican side. Twenty
twelve, it was very much like panicking over Obama, but it wasn't the
same level of like actually saying this country is failing. Like, let's let's
accept that and move on, Like we are accepting that as the premise of
Republican politics now and then building from it. And if you don't accept that
as the premise, I think you probably don't have any any business being the
president at this point or trying to appeal to Republican audience. Yeah, and
that's what, Yeah, that we are in serious troubles. We need serious
people. We don't just need a munch It's like, oh, work with
my friends across the all those people want to put you in prison, so
we should be careful with that. Weirdly, my first thought when Mike Pence
was going on with the Vake Ramaswami about how the American people need a government
that is as good as them was this is again in a sounder weird but
like, does he not know that a song called wet ass Pussy was like
the top song in the country for a year. I've been avoiding using that
word the entire podcast. And there she goes lasted out children, we are
sorry, but seriously, I mean again, I think the American people are
a great people. I also think we are in desperate need of moral leadership,
and people, by the way, can be great and also miserable.
And one of the reasons people are attracted to songs like that is because they
are miserable. That song was popular because of TikTok, which is a foreign
adversary spywear device that is destroying our youth. It is making them miserable,
is making them addicted to little pieces of plastic that they carry around in their
pockets. This is not this is not the time to just put a smile
on and say the American people are doing great, because you know, people
in the suburbs of Indianapolis that you worship with, who are probably lovely people,
are are feeling good. You know that that is not at all the
mood of the country. And rightfully, so, yeah, I think that's
correct. And so I was bombed. I was I was somewhat just tickled
to see all those takes of like ever back, and also de Santacy reminded
me of of what people tried to write after the Joe Biden Paul Ryan debate,
when I might have even been guilty of this. Looking back, it's
like, well, Joe Biden not to much of clown. Paul Ryan,
he was so much smarter. Such a night you pick, But that's what
a lot Everyone's like, Oh, we're to put out this wonder kid.
He's gonna get there. He's gonna kick that old jerk's ass budd who doesn't
know anything and he's always just rambling. But I mean, objectively, Joe
Biden kicks Paul Ryan's but in that debate. But do you remember when Sarah
Palin beat Joe Biden in the debate? Yes see that was different by the
transitory property of equality Ryan. But it just didn't stop. It just didn't
stop. The bad conservative media takes wish so much wishful thinking, and I
guess I've probably been guilty of it, for I had for sure have been
guilty of it in the pastor if I look back and read my twenty ten
campaign coverage, I'm sure there's a lot of wishful thinking in there as opposed
to actual analysis. But running sixteen in particular, really disavowed me of that.
That just so all all the people going out there and saying this is
how I was going to go, and it's obviously not going that way.
I mean, by the time John Daniel Davidson and I went out and we're
touring the swing states before the twenty twenty election. We were talking to you
know, undercover Democrat bartenders and pretty red towns, sounds that used to be
Democrat but have switched that hard to Trump, and to get them to talk
to us, they would they would say, welly would I talk to you?
I mean you your work for a conservative media outlet. You're and I
say, we flew out here to Iowa, away from our homes to learn,
not to be like some political writer who's who starts off with the lead
Trump voters are racist and then drives through. I want to prove it like
we're here to learn, and we we would be lying to our readers and
wasting our time and wasting your time if we if we just came out there
with whatever story made us feel good or what we thought at home in DC.
There's no point of covering politics just to write simply what you think as
opposed to what's actually happening. Some people still do it, some people make
a living out of doing it, but last night was a good example of
wishful thinking. I think, so, who do you think one we're back?
Yeah, it's hard to disagree with that, the Google search results were
just through the river. And my favorite was when I looked at it earlier
in the debate, the number one place where his search had gone up was
washing the DC. All these all these consultants supported about who is this who
was this guy was up there? Although and I did miss Trump last night,
as one of my consultant friends texted me, He's like, man,
if Trump had been up there, he would have called the Mexican by now,
It's totally true, all right, little Mexican, just like some just
haymaker out of nowhere. I think Chris Christie got the closest. Well called
him like a chat GPT bot, which was hysterical and Vecta's all constantly cribby.
Twice I caught him cribbing from Obama, once the actual line of which
Obama introduced himself as this guy with a skinny guy with a weird name.
And the second time was when Mike Pence was going on about the Soviet Union
and ectually basically took the Obama line of the eighties call to want their foreign
policy back yew. That Obama line was kind of disingenuous and annoying in my
opinion, but he used it well. He took from all these different sections,
all these different political traditions, and Wheel did well on a debate and
kind of a way that Barack Obama used to read books about Ronald Reagan,
and then you'd see Obama give like a State of the Union speech and it
sounded like it was conservative, go around and do some psychotic left ring things,
but he would make it sound like it was conservative. That was good,
and I liked them. When they started talking about the Department of Education,
I was like, jeez, here we go again. It's Ron Paul
revolution stuff whatever. But then when when they said what would you do,
It's like, I'd give that eighty billion dollars back to the districts and the
taxpayers and parents who want to help their kids. So well, that's actually
a much more sellable, I think on the electoral trail answer than I really
ever heard on that question. Yeah, Reagan campaign, like this is not
new at all, as as you know to the Republican Party. Reagan campaign
on getting rid of the Education Department, and it's been a priority. I
actually think this is another moment libertarians just themselves are missing, which is COVID
are blinded by their hate. Blinded. Yeah, but there's so much that
you can collaborate on. And we'll talk about this when we talk about a
piece that you published. But when it comes to like chrony capitalism, when
it comes to shrinking certain areas of government, they could be seizing opportunities left
and right if they could get over themselves. But I actually think that you're
right. The Department of Education thing lands. I think it hits differently after
COVID. It really hits differently, and not just for budgetary reasons, which
is the wrong thing for Republicans to focus on. Not that they aren't important,
but if you're trying to win hearts and minds, focus on the fact
that they have so much control over you and your child. If your kid
is going to school in this country, That land's totally different after COVID.
My last thought would be Chris Christy also came in with a lot of swagger.
He's running a campaign basically to hit Donald Trump and to hit all of
the alleged sycophants in the Republican Party. As he sees it, Donald Trump's
not at the debate, and it just kind of ends with a whimper like
does he get some good lines in, sure, but he should have had
as much speaking time as Vague. He should have been doing what Mike Pence
was doing and making sure to insert himself absolutely everywhere, and he should have
had something that was gonna land an actual blow that's going to be the knockout
punch, because he just didn't. And I think that was a real loss
for him, because he's been yeah, he's a loser. He doesn't think
he's going to be president, but he's staking his run on this idea that
he's going to be the thing that finally takes down the Republican Party's Trumpism because
he's just gonna display all of its weaknesses on the national stage. And he
didn't come anywhere close to that last night. Everyone's from him when the god
Routh, Dakota, even Asa Hutchinson, all these people. I guess Asa
didn't get his job on the Walmart board or something, so he's got to
run prophecy again. I just I picture like the dining room tables or the
salon tables of people being like, you've got to run for president, You've
got to do something about this. And these egomaniacs up there believe it,
and everyone says Donald Trump's egomaniac is funny because everyone in politics is an egomaniac
and they're so completely full of it. I mean, Chris, Chrissy,
dude, go go go go fetch a water bottle for Donald Trump like he
did last time. Go go shut down a bridge, get get out of
here. He said he had a couple of decent lines, but I mean,
he's just he's not as he's not as great as he thinks he is.
I probably wouldn't be the first person to tell him that. Yeah,
no, I think that's true. Any final thoughts on the debate, Chris
No, Yeah, I only thought it was fun. I enjoyed it.
It was it was more blood sport than these things he used to be thought.
Yeah. Yeah, people got really at it, and it'll be interesting
to see how it shakes out. It's it's kind of a pointless exercise in
some ways, you pointed out, But I mean, who knows. We're
still quite a ways away from this election. I didn't see any real breakouts,
but I'm definitely interested to see what happens in the back because he did
well and I really liked his line us against Chris Christie, and he's like,
we can't be motivated by the politics and grievance. He's like, that's
your entire run, explicitly, that is why you were running. It's grievance.
So Cannon and that was That was good. I liked this line about
Christie hugging Obama too. Yeah, help him win, You'll help me win.
Yeah. DeSantis is again down by about twenty six points in Iowa,
but he is according to the RCP average, so he's in a distant second,
but second nonetheless, and he's put basically all of his campaign's eggs in
the Iowa basket. That's the kind of Jeff ro game plan. It's what
he did with Ted Cruise in twenty sixteen. Of course, President Ted Cruise
went on to win a very successful election after Iowa. Obviously that's a joke
because Ted Cruz lost despite winning Iowa. So that tells you basically what I
think about the Iowa trate. This Well, we did get out of that.
We got Ted Cruise three point zero, which was good for a while
until until Tucker left Fox News and then we went back to Ted Cruz one
point zero. But but we had we have had a couple of good runs,
different versions, different programs that have been started into Senator Cruise's brain.
Too soon to tell, Too soon to tell, But that is to say,
the math in this thing is really difficult for anyone else. It's not
unheard of because if you look at Iowa, it's sort of the opposite of
the national picture. And that's in that most voters are voting for someone other
than Donald Trump. They're saying they're they're supporting someone other than Donald Trump.
He's below the fifty percent threshold in Iowa, where he's above the fifty percent
threshold everywhere else. So you're you're not going to have enough people drop out,
like the DEM's orchestrated to consolidate that vote. In all likelihood, maybe
just say go ahead. It might not make the bet. I mean not
to be too crass here, but like you're Gavin news Time or some one
or a Republican running who's in a distance second or third place against Dounald Shump.
I mean, how SUPERTI gonna feel off one of these octogenarians stroke out
before the election. Need'd be a heck of a life insurance policy to sell
on these guys for running the line. Of the campaign trail. The oldest
Americans are have ever done. That might as well, you know, throw
your card and see what happens on the stage. I mean, as as
Lindsey Graham advised John McCain back in the day, Oh yeah, you should
run for president. Why because it's fun? He said, it's not.
It's not like it's your money, except that some of these cases there's other
people's money. It's fun, Go ahead and do it. Yeah, and
actually to that point, yeah, so it's it's listen, anything can happen.
I feel like you and I have learned from twenty sixteen and most of
the well, no not most of I feel like, at least conservative media
is pretty good about not jumping to conclusions this early in the game. There's
a long time before voters go to the polls. It's very unlikely that anything
changes in terms of Donald Trump's massive lead. Uh you know, maybe someone
gets it down to a fifteen point lead. I don't know enough to make
the cable network say it's a really close one and get ratings, maybe enough
to get Donald Trump onto a debates days, which I would love to see
because who wouldn't need the champion to come back. We need to come on,
get back in the ring rocky art of the Donald Man. But that
said, Chris, actually this was a sort of perfect week for you to
publish this delayed response to the Freedom Conservatives, including our own David Harsani,
who we love, We loved. Morley and David have debated this, and
everyone on staff has has given David simguff for signing onto the Freedom Conservatives letter.
In disclosure, the Freedom Conservatives letter was a response to the nat CON's
letter, which I did sign. Chris, did you sign that? You
don't sign letters? I don't sign letters. One Also, I missed the
invite maybe they said the wrong address, and I want to ask me to
sign that. I get asked to sign a lot of tech letters because I'm
a tech executive. Remember, I hope the listeners remember that like a year
or so when I had to tech executive Chris Bedford. But it was real.
So the Freedom Conservatives, led by O vic Roy who's been on this
podcast as well. He and he's been served around DC conservative circles for a
long time. They wrote over Romney circles and Ribo circles and to the nat
Coon letter circles, I think it was most like a year ago that the
Natcon Letter publish a year ago and is basically a really boilerplate expression of national
conservatism, exactly what you would expect for the most part if you've been following
those debates closely and have a i would say, accurate understanding of what the
Natcon project is about. The Freedom Conservative Letter was published, I think a
few weeks ago. Now they've been amassing more and more Yeah, five weeks
ago, so they've been amassing more and more signatories from sort of the old
conservative movement circles. Yeah, but when you say like the old conservative movement,
it makes me think of like awesome people like Taft, like like Vigory
are Bill Rusher, That's what I think. I'm the old conservative these are
These are just it's the tired right and the reason I thank the world.
It's basically our friends, and we have a few friends in this list excluded.
The signatories of this list are people who either had a little bit of
sway in twenty and ten or people who appeared to be up and coming in
twenty ten but whose waves never really crested and you forgot about them. So
five weeks after it was published, Chris, which is when I noticed it
because no one noticed it, because no one cared. I mean, it
was a tree falling in the woods. Nason statement has something new to say,
which is why it was interesting. There's like this was like a watered
down, a neutered version of the Sharon statement, which has had something new
to say that even I'm so sick of this. People was smirching the name
of Ronald Reagan, and people was smirching the Sharon statement. Yes, it's
so obnoxious. Why don't you, you know, get off my lap and
go get your own girl. It's ridiculous. Well, and this statement,
I would argue, the smirches the name of the Sharon statement and uses it
as it's kind of predic hit. But Chris, you were so people can
read Chris's response to The Washington Examiner, I highly recommend checking it out,
not just because he cribbed a joke from me in the middle of the piece,
but an excellent joke that got a lot of reach weets. And you
know I did get I did give you credit on this podcast, but not
anywhere else. Okay, but tell us some people can read this in the
Washington Examiner. But basically tell us how you rebutted the Freedom con letter,
which was essentially embracing free market principles, free trade basically fusionism is what they
said, we're standing behind the three. Have you guys have heard of free
trade? Okay? So Chris, what did you write about the Examiner here?
So, I mean, here's the thing is, the statement itself is
largely unobjectionable. It's kind of just the same sort of things that the right
has clung to for thirty years of American decline. You know, they had
to quote and there that their immigration is the principal driver of American prosperity.
Really, that one is the only thing I found but really obnoxiously objectionable.
But what came out after it is kind of just a boiler plate list of
old and I think often fairly tired of publican ideas that really haven't had the
tools necessary to to deal with the ninth based platitudes, but not not not
wartime platitudes. But what came out afterwards is some of these leaders of these
writers, these writers came out and they made their intentions clear that this was
not just a hallmark card of conservative principles. This was an attack on the
national conservative idea, an attack on they were naming these people, not just
Donald Trump. I'm to say us, you know the kind of people go
after Disney and say, now you're not going to grow my kids with sexual
perversion. Or Senator jd Vance, you know, how dare he go after
the people who like the railroads for blowing up his town. The Libertarians are
apoplectic that jd Vance wants to regulate the railroads for blowing the town off the
map in Ohio. They want to go after Josh Holly and people who are
like, hey, maybe maybe we should take a look at the mental health.
It's complete implosion of mental health and teenage girls that seems to be related
to technology. Basically, anyone who's willing to wield government power to fight the
revolutionary left. And they have all these people coming out saying it's a new
chapter in American conservatism. This list Reason, which is like thoroughly anti conservative
and in some ways anti American, called it a much needed breath of fresh
air. Avic Roy called all these people, he called the New Right,
a faction of cranks. And this is the idea of fighting back with government
government. I'm finding government power with government power is going to lead to disaster.
It's just like, look around you. And when you do look around
you, I think Matt Lewis, who was one of the signers. First
of all, when you see a document that's been signed, you know,
like that's an objectual look at the signers, just to make sure that you
think that. I mean one of these signers is Jet Bush. I mean,
his granted politics were just completely rejected by the Republican electorate. He's absolutely
soft Republicanism, and there's no place for you. You have. You have
Jonah Goldberg, who's just a wheezy once was out there, whose job now
is to be controlled opposition, attacking people to his right, which is most
people. Because latest cause if you go to his blog, is how small
dollar donors, you know, the kind of people who like derailed Jet Bush
are such a huge problem. You got Kevin Williams. He's someone who who
said during the twenty sixteen elections of twenty fifteen primaries that these small white towns
that are struggling through drug abuse and joblessness and have been left behind all these
free trade policies they quote, deserve to die. Williams, You've got you've
got a listen. Yeah, Williams said, he works for he works for
Jonah. Now you've got a list of fairer on there. He goes on
the View every day and it's tax conservatives. These are the kind of people
who are largely signing is the major and Andrew except for are very good friends
who we love people. And Matt Lewis said he looked at this thing as
sort of a remnant now, and he drew on the biblical term of those
who are left behind following an apocalypse. I'm sitting there thinking, what's the
apocalypse? And it turns out the apocalypse is like they lost their seeing their
Fox contracts, They lost their seeing in contracts. They don't have the same
access to power anymore. Donald Trump came around that the right has shifted away
from the donors who just wanted to sell jobs overseas. That is the apocalypse.
And I don't think that that. I don't think that compares to the
catastrophes that we've felt over the last twenty years. So republican and democratic rule
of our wars abroad, I don't think that compares to the catastrophes that we've
seen in the collapse of Americans, America's Christian faith, and the catastrophes of
mental health, the catastrophes of drug addiction, the catastrophes of free trade,
hollowed out our industries and taking out of the core of America and replacing it
with fan from China. I think those are like the actual catastrophes, and
those are the things that the New Rights looking to talk about. And I
think the best example I've found of just how these guys don't understand what point
we're in is Avic Roy. He said he was in a concession. When
concession concession to the National Conservatives, He's like, you're right, you know,
big business has really turned us back in the GOP and the examples he
gave was working with China, which is good a good example, and selling
us out in Obamacare, and it's like, dude, where have you been
the last twelve years, Because right now big business and big pharma have built
an industry around chemically castrating our children. They are they're they're they're putting sexual
stuff into Disney films. They're Big business is forcing people to get a vaccine
that turned out one not to work and two to cause massive health problems in
every single country on the planet is willing to investigate, it seems, except
for the United States. A brightness, hard conditions, a sudden rise,
and young people's desks like the big business selling us out in Obamacare. Maybe
would be a good time for a statement like this. But what's going on
right now is there. They're in the trenches. This is this is a
battle for survival. It's like what we're saying. It's not morning in America
right now. It's pretty dark. And I was looking at this. I'm
rewatching John Adams now for like the fifth time with Sarah. I did that
last year, and it is. You know what's funny is it is as
bingeable as Sopranos wire it is, so do you like the Sopranos? No?
But I learned the hard way that no woman likes the Sopranos because I
showed it to Ernest, like I've I bet I'm as Les the Sopranos,
but most don't. I haven't given it a fitter shot, to be honest,
I haven't given it a fair shot, and I keep meaning to.
But anyway, it's very benchbol so this These guys are at about two hundred
signatories right now, they're at about four times what the Declaration of Independence was
signed by. But well, unlike those people who really took a stand and
came out with something new, they really remind me of the folks and the
Continental Congress who was saying, we need to send the king another letter.
And you got the Massachusetts delegation there being like Boston's under siege. They're they're
bombing our cities, they're shooting us and conquered in Lexington the paper. The
people have risen up all over New England to go and fight. And you
guys want to send another letter. I got news to you. By the
way, the King hates you and it's not going to respond to you,
and he's not going to say, all right, you know, everything's cool,
We're cool, and you can have your rights. And uh, this
Freedom con letter really snapped of that. It's like, well, what if
we just we assert that we think America as an idea open to the whole
world, and that idea is free trade, maybe maybe then we'll defeat these
companies and the pharmaceutical companies is insurance companies, These people who over the last
couple of years have shut down your churches, put masks on your children,
putting needles into their arm, or kicking them out of college, and they
don't get a third and fourth and fifth booster are lying to you over whenever
we're again are imprisoning their political opponents, and you're like, in a release
this letter, it's just I'm not going to say the term what time it
is because it's been overused, But these guys don't seem to know what decade
it is. I've always hated that term. This is my confession, like
usher, and I need to confess. I see I I loved it until
and I really like Kevin Roberts new head of hair. But the moment he
said it in a speech at nat CON, I was like, that's it.
The adult, the adults circles into rock and roll, find something.
He would he would actually be very amused by that. Funny it's when Fox
when Fox News played Richmond North of Richmond, I was like, damn that
such such a cool song, so uncool so quickly now that it's mainstream.
Chris is like, this is the old Chris Bedbard coming out right now?
Uh No, that's I actually thought your Your response was was well stated and
a lot of this. Actually, Michael Brennan Doherty, when that letter first
came out, said he signed the letter. He was like, listen,
I signed the Natcorn letter, and I basically could have signed the free Con
letter. And that was exactly my response to it as well, that like,
there was one thing I think I would have quibbled within it, but
I also had quibbles with the nat Con letter. It's more like the reason
to sign these things, which I'm not a big fan of doing, but
the reason to sign these things is basically speaker invitations. Of course, yes,
demand attention for a change, and they're demanding attention for the opposite,
which I guess is very conservative kind of off. It says like the conservative
temperament, like we demand attention that for the status quo. But but you
have to look at their writings around it and you can go They kind of
summarize them all on their sub sec which is like designed to make it seem
like the statements a new Knew has any new ideas, isn't it are basically
the Federals papers, like a very dumb version of the Federals papers. For
the coding the true intent of the authors, not all not all the stigmatories,
you know, not not our friends but Avic Roy and other people,
like they kind of lay out like, hey, here's like these really,
you know, it's very soft, very calm, like you could listen to
some small music where you read it. But in reality, we hate the
nat Cons and we hate where all the energy is, and we hate that
we're not longer in power, and Matt Lewis is here too. For some
people, the fight is one that's personal, and so then the policy discussions
take like they're they're on the back burner. For some people, it's very
much like I think a misunderstanding of national conservatism, which I think from a
conservative perspective, from the perspective of somebody who signed the Sharon's Statement, is
unobjectionable. These are wholly compatible projects, which is why I think the only
quibble I had with the free Kind statement was the weird like poison pill about
racial free market stuff. It was very I'm not I think it's really open
and his hatred of Barry Goldwater and these nineteen sixty four presidential run and thinks
that's where the goop went wrong. So was it once again an interesting thing
to kind of crib on the Sharon statement, which is where, by the
way, Christopher Caldwell would agree that that's where the GOP went wrong, because
that was largely i mean boosted by the Republican Party, and Barry Goldwater was
kind of like the crazy outwater outlier that had popular support on the right at
the time. So that's actually quite an interesting It was so much. It's
just such a lazy response to say that Barry goldwaters vote against the Civil Rights
Sact was the defining moment, I mean the decades of work. But the
Democratic Party put into two, putting in on the local level and the state
level, minority leaders and every position they could. And by the way,
they look at the Congressional Black Caucus, they don't care if you are an
absolute and total criminal. They don't care if you're embezzling, they don't care
if you're like over crime, vote they're going to They use identity politics.
They put people in positions of power, and the GOP was always like,
we're color blind, but it was always generally a pretty white club, and
I think voters were acted more to that than they do too, Like less
people could identify Barrey gold Orders nineteen sixty four vote than could identify like an
average statue that activists are tearing down. It's just there's nothing. It's much
more realistic work us from put into that then and simply go wader. By
the way, I think that's one more interesting thing on the debate as we
wrap up here, which is just that I think the word woke was maybe
used once, and it was in passing by Nicky Haley if I remember direct
goodness, yes, but but uh, you know, there were still there's
still a really important conversation about the culture war to be had, and that's
what the crutch when people are like to stay and ask what are we gonna
do about you? We're gonna stop the woke military, I'm like, dude,
figure Roster answer, you had it right the first time. Well,
I think it's it's interesting because twenty twenty three is a very different year than
twenty twenty one and twenty twenty and and Rond de Santis really made a lot
was pretty yeah, right, But no, I just mean the moment has
that that we're in a different moment than were in twenty twenty twenty twenty one.
Culture what time it is? No, that's not what I mean.
I mean that there was a huge appetite for that when people's kids were home
from school, uh, and they were seeing the curriculum and the cities were
being you know, looted and burned, which they still are, but not
in the same degree and not on everyone. I'm sorry, I didn't mean
to be insensitive, but anyway, so I thought that was an interesting takeaway
from the debate as well. But when the free cons are writing their letters
and not realizing the level or not acknowledging, like what in your prescription for
the country is going to change the fact that we have the level of incompetence
in the education system that we have right now that like kids can't read,
Uh, that there's there's spiking levels of suicidality. What about Uh? It
just is Yeah, it's truly truly insane, I think. And it's a
matter if ed Phoner style conservatism worked, then America would not be in the
situation. It is the only reason it's relevant to talk and I think you
hit on this in your piece about these two dueling letters back and forth,
is because it's a matter of where the Republican parties and the Republican Party is,
Like, I don't give a damn about the Republican Party. You don't
give a damn about the Republican Party, but it's the vehicle towards any serious
change, Like it's not going to be the Democratic Party, it's going to
be the Republican Party. That's going to be the plausible vehicle to conservative change
in this country. And the only the only way to do that is to
have a Republican party that actually prioritizes what deserves to be prioritized. So nobody
has a problem with free freaking markets. Having a slightly different industrial policy is
really not like news flag industrial policies. We have industrial policy, and you
probably wouldn't dispute unless you're one of the hardcore libertarians or you're David Harsani,
who's a very principled man, you probably wouldn't dispute that you need some government
intervention in healthcare in the military. In fact, I think a lot of
you love the industrial policy in the military. So ahead recent pieces that are
trying to say you should support people who support an industrial policy bought to support
the war in Ukraine, Right, Yeah. The attacks on Rachel Bovard for
making a National Review editor who wrote in their Peace that this is contributing to
the American economy. The Ukraine War effort is contributing to the American economy because
it is pumping jobs into the defense industry. We're selling them weapons, sure,
but we give them to them, but the government's paying will fight back.
Yeah, I mean it's she's the right person to pick on. If
you want to fight, she can handle it anyway. All that is to
say, that's the only reason these like dueling letters count because the people who
in DC pay attention to which direction the wind is blowing. Obviously they love
doing that. It's their their only skill. And the things that you prioritize,
like we do not need to prioritize a debate about the righteousness of free
markets right now, because we're all on the same page. It's a matter
of prioritize, and it's not a matter of like socialism and communism versus conservatism
when it in the same way that it was when the Sharon's Statement, which
still holds up was drafted by those young Americans for Freedom up in Connecticut.
Sharon Connecticut at the Buckley Estate in nineteen sixty, speaking on the Buckley's say,
we ought to get some friend of Jim Buckley on to talk about him.
Maybe nextly. That's right, Chris Well, I hope you have a
great time in Colorado. I hope will goes. Of course you already are.
Yeah, I've been here for twenty five minutes and started talking to us.
Been great, by the way, what's your like? Quick thirty second
take on Trump and Tucker? They sat down for like. It was a
long interview. I mostly just read the transcript some interesting parts. Asked him
about Jeffrey Epstein, asked him about Bill Barr. What did you make It's
it's got hundreds of millions of views on X but those aren't really real that
you can have second and get a view. But probably how has a lot
of views. Nonetheless, what did you make of that choice? And what
did you make of the interview? I think it was it was interesting television.
I think that Tucker really likes the hard for him, he really hated
the constraints that television interviews put on him, where they were very short,
he needed to make soundbites. They were very combative and much more enjoyed podcasts,
I like you did with the Federals. So I think it was our
top podcast at least of that year or or the Fox Nation show. He
just he likes those long conversations, and there was some really I've rewounded Rewasick
four times his making fun of Chris Wallace. It was so parfect, such
an awful little man. But but I do also hope that after this you
know, cool bath that he's taking from the news media, that he does
jump back in because there were some really hard questions that Tucker's a very good
at asking. Donald Trumpson was the hardest person interview the planet. He will
dominate the conversation and go in a million different directions and some more, sometimes
intentionally, sometimes unintentionally, but it takes out of mind like Tuckers or are
I think Juxta Jonathan's wanted a good job to really nail on some of the
stuff. But I would like to see some of those hard questions asked.
And I understand why there was a different feel for this interview, and it's
something he's going for at this moment. But we need voices like Tucker asking
those difficult questions, and I think we'll get another shot at that. And
I'm glad I was an entertaining interview, but I do look forward to kind
of I don't want to. I like the long form stuff, but I
look forward to a return to all right, well, I'm gonna nail you
on like the ASA hutchets and stuff. You know, let's talk about this.
I'm not going to let you out the hook. And obviously we saw
at the town hall he still could do that at any point whenever he wants
to. But I'd like to see a little more of that. Yeah,
I agree completely with that. And you know, he's building, so it
seems like it's processed. But hopefully he gets back to that soon. I
like the intro too, seemed like an intro that we would have filmed for
one of our Federals videos, like just hanging out on the corner. Yeah,
if people didn't see it, it's them with like their arms crossed,
looking straight into the camera lens. Looks like it looks like a like a
like white Guy's trying to do like a hip hop album covers a TikTok video
like Everyone's Bob and I had at the same time or something. Yeah,
by the way, if you want to look at all the hip hop stuff,
try to find the promotional materials for Tucker Tucker's MSNBC show, which was
called Tucker with an exclamation point. They dressed him up as a pimp like
in nineteen seventies crime fighting pimp and had him jumping off of cars with explosions
behind him like Star Skin Hutch. Yeah, but with like a pimp pado
even Okay, all right, Yeah. His wife, who likes to prank
him, furnished all of the promotional materials to his business partner, Neil Patel
decorated the Data Colors office with to the chagrin hope mister Carlson Well Christopher Bedford,
Executive Vedor at the Common Sense Society, Live today from Colorado, Beautiful
Colorado, sunny Colorado. I hope you have a good weekend, you too.
All right, you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.
I'm Emily Deshnsky, culture editor here at the Federalist. Until then,
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