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Well, now it's time for this 10 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:30,280 week's episode of Dragnet. The original airdate January fifth, nineteen fifty and the 11 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:45,280 title is The Big Escape. Ladies and gentlemen, the story you were about 12 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:51,079 to hear is true, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent. 13 00:01:51,560 --> 00:02:05,439 Drag Nett. You're a detective sergeant. You're assigned to robbery detail. 14 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,000 Two armed bandits have robbed a large jewelry store in your city. One of 15 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,560 the suspects escapes. One is apprehended. He's identified as a friend of yours. 16 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:27,560 Your job send him to prison. Dragnet the documented drama of an actual 17 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,000 crime. For the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police 18 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,599 Department, you will travel step by step on the side of the law through 19 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,800 an actual case from official police files, from beginning to end, from crime 20 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,639 to punishment. Dragnet is the story of your police force in action. It 21 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,800 was Tuesday, February eighth, was cold in Los Angeles. We're working a 22 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:54,479 night watch out of robbery detail. My partner's Ben Romero. The boss is 23 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Thad Brown Hubert Detectives. My name is Friday. I was on the way 24 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,680 over from the City Hall. It was eight thirty five pm when I got 25 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:08,240 the second floor of the Georgia Street Receiving Hospital treatment room. Oh hi, 26 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:13,960 Hi di, Ben, how's it going Okay? It hurt for a while. 27 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:17,919 Dot gave an injection six of a grain of Mafie novocaine injection bullet. 28 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,840 Still on your shoulder. Doc's a got ready to take it out as soon 29 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:25,520 as I got the wound clean. Here's the soap and water now alcohol spunch 30 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,439 fleet. How's it look tacking? There's the X ray, shallow penetrating wound 31 00:03:30,439 --> 00:03:35,080 in the deltoid area. Slugs larger than the salt tissue right here? Yeah, 32 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,719 no bullet violent, Okay, the bullet the spin that's good. Feel 33 00:03:38,719 --> 00:03:46,639 okay, sure, nice with firelight applicators. Please, all right, let's 34 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:51,240 see now what you need TI in general interrogation room, Reynolds and Tops and 35 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,479 there with him. They have the probe. Nu. Yeah, you anything 36 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,759 the matter? No, that's it. You hear that you're what located the 37 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:06,719 slug of the probe? Uh? Nice, I said, nanks, there 38 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:12,439 we go. Oh it's steady. You call your wife. She don't no 39 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,480 worry. Had his boys on the market for evidence, Give it to me. 40 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:23,199 I will nice style sailine solution. Here. Get the woman signing Tanner's 41 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,920 partner on Joe got me? No, not yet, no stress? Please? 42 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,879 How long did you know this Tyner before he went wrong? I mean 43 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,199 I met him in the army, helped him line up a job when he 44 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,439 got on stupid. Sure, it's funny making a friend of yours pull in 45 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:40,879 an armed robbery. I was just surprised, you know, kind of Do 46 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,199 you want me to drive you home? When the docks finished? It let's 47 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,040 go back to the office and talk to Tyner for it. Okay, Bet 48 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,720 all right, Doc. No, you're staying right here to Mary till tomorrow 49 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,560 morning. You haven't got a temperature by then, I might release it. 50 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:54,000 Oh, it's only a flash wound. Doc, I feel all right. 51 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,839 I'm not taking any chances with gunshot wounds. If affection set in and you 52 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,720 were laid up, I'd have the pension committee to answer. Staying here sounds 53 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,319 like an order. It is. Pick him up, pingough flooded my morning, 54 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:09,360 cocaine. Are you gonna need anything, Ben? Yeah, I phone 55 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:14,720 to tell him my laugh. I won't be home for dinner. His name 56 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,439 was Max Tyler. White, male American, aged thirty two, dark hair, 57 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,839 brown eyes, medium bill married, father of twin boys. He was 58 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:27,000 a friend of mine. We served together in the army overseas, and when 59 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,759 the wharf and started. Came back to my job on the forest and Max 60 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,720 went back to his old job. It didn't fit him anymore. He stopped 61 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:38,120 working and started drinking. His wife didn't help much. Max started with small 62 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,360 trouble, but it grew fast. On the afternoon of February the eighth, 63 00:05:41,439 --> 00:05:45,199 Tuesday, Ben and I surprised two men holding up a main Street jewelry shop. 64 00:05:45,639 --> 00:05:48,120 Shots were exchanged and Ben received a flesh wound in the shoulder. One 65 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,160 of the hold up men escaped, the other one was apprehended. His name 66 00:05:51,199 --> 00:06:01,360 was Max Tyler. Hi Larry Hi. Joe Glad you got here tell us, 67 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:04,279 says you won't talk to anybody but you okay, boy, thanks for 68 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:16,360 standing by. Sure, I'll be outside you anything, Max, Joe, 69 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:19,319 you're in deep this time. You shot a cop. I didn't. This 70 00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:21,759 guy was with me. I didn't fire once you were in on the job. 71 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Yeah, then don't expect presents. I don't expect anything, Joe, 72 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:30,879 Glad you came back. I don't want to talk to us other cops. 73 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,720 I work in the same department that I do, same job. It's easier 74 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,639 to talk to you. What's your story? I was crazy to try it. 75 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,160 No alibised, Joe. But I didn't know what I was doing. 76 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,279 Believe me, I just didn't. Really, I won't buy it. Max. 77 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:45,360 You told me the same thing fourteen months ago when they picked up with 78 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,720 those bum checks you were passing. Sure, I hung some paper, but 79 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:53,040 I'm no who had Joe? You know that I was drinking. I need 80 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 a door for Dorothy and a kid. You gotta believe me. I need 81 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,519 a brain. I said that before too. I went to bat for you, 82 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:00,199 got up with six months and three years probation. Now you tell up 83 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,639 with another caper. I not you. I know, I'm sorry. You're 84 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,600 sorry. Once my accident works, but one free rides enough for anybody. 85 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,000 That's it? Did I say I wanted that kind of a break. I'll 86 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,720 serve my time, Joe, I'll serve every day I owe. I mean, 87 00:07:14,759 --> 00:07:16,839 what can you tell me you couldn't have told the other cops. I 88 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:20,639 want to ask your favor. Yeah, I know you're gonna hook me on 89 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:26,360 this. So while I'm doing my time, Darthy and the kids are staying 90 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:30,720 with Rallady's out in Eglewood. Sure, just keep an eye on him. 91 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,360 You're not, Joe. I don't mean Dorothy can work with kind of watch 92 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:44,240 out from. Uh, give him a break. George's not there forty Yeah, 93 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,519 sure, I'll take care of it. Well, you do something for 94 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:48,439 me anything you want. Guy, Let's have the straight story. Who was 95 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:51,319 the guy with you on that hold up this afternoon? George Kresty? You 96 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,000 know and not a fulsome short guy, black hair. Yeah, yeah, 97 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,240 he's got a room above the Red Owl bar down on each third and near 98 00:07:58,279 --> 00:08:01,360 Broadway. That's where he hangs out. Where can we find Creston now? 99 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,160 Oh maybe there, I don't know. I'll give you a list of the 100 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,399 places he goes. So all of those friends I've met. Sure rope me, 101 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,759 he said there was going to be arrested. You were carrying an SNW 102 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:13,560 thirty eighth. Sure. Sure. When they got outside the jewelry shop, 103 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,800 Cristal jam the gun in my hand, I had to put it away, 104 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:20,800 get it out of side. Believe me. Joey wrote me into this said 105 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,399 it sounds like an alibi, and no, this is your second time around, 106 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,399 Max, it sounds like one. Okay, I got nothing coming. 107 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,840 Don't forget about Dorothy and the kids. I promised you. You want to 108 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,080 give me a full statement on the hold up now, anything you said, 109 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:41,399 Joe, I'll call for a sonographer. Joe, Yeah, I'm sorry, 110 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,799 I am. I believe you. You got the feeling too late, that's 111 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:52,519 all. Max Tyler was arraigned in municipal court two days later. Bale was 112 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:58,759 set at ten thousand dollars. Three days after that came his preliminary hearing a 113 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,960 municipal court. At his arraignment in Superior Court, five weeks after he'd been 114 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,840 apprehended, Tyler entered a plea of nut guilly. A date was set for 115 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,120 his trial in Superior Court. Meantime, the hunt for George Crest, of 116 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,279 Max's accomplice, went on. There wasn't a sign of him. Our informants 117 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,639 had no lead on him, and the All Points bullet and containing all the 118 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,799 information we had on Crest had brought in nothing. On Monday, March twenty 119 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,799 second, the trial of Max Tyler was held in Superior Court. Ben and 120 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,200 I were subpoena to appear the victim of the hold up. The jewelry store 121 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,559 manager was the first to testify that he was questioned by both the prosecutor and 122 00:09:28,639 --> 00:09:33,279 the council for the defense. He left the stand at eleven twenty five am. 123 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,720 Did it lead, your honor? Before the next witness testified, I'd 124 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:48,320 like permission to approach the bench. Mission granted prosecuting mail. So something so 125 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,320 Georgie's shaking his head and public defenders going back to the Council's table. There 126 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:00,960 counsel for the defense, your honor is my clients does to change his plead 127 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:09,639 and guilty. Defendant rise from basically called Max Tyler, that's your true name? 128 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:13,480 Yes, sure. On the twelfth day of March of this year in 129 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,440 Superior Court, Department eighty three, city in connigals Anglers, State of California, 130 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,480 who had a boy been arraigned on the charge of robbery in the first 131 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:24,600 degree at that time and pled not guilty to the charge. In the question, 132 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:26,840 is it now your desire to change that blee? Yes, sir, 133 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:31,240 it is. You've reached this decision to your own free will. Yes, 134 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,879 I have been no force employed, no promise, maratuity or reward. Who 135 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:41,759 you should have reached this decision? No, sir, confable prosecution, Yes, 136 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:46,919 your honory, Max Tyler. On the twelfth day of March of this 137 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:50,000 year, in Superior Court, City in County of Los Angeles, State of 138 00:10:50,039 --> 00:10:56,720 California, you are arigned on the charge of robbery in the first degree that 139 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,919 time you wanted a player set forth in this information. How do you now 140 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,080 guilty or not guilty? Guilty? Is it stipulated that at the time the 141 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,159 commission of the robbery, the defendant was armed of the deadly weapon to wit 142 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,919 a revour. So stipulated court depicts a degree of robbery. Robbery's first degree, 143 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,000 Your honor, in the interest of justice, that people moved to dismissed 144 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,919 count too or sought with a deadly weapon. At this time, Your honor, 145 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,440 the defendent way is time for sentencing and asks that he be sentenced immediately. 146 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:31,159 That's the mooning max starter. It's the judgment of this court on the 147 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:35,320 eighth day of February of this year. You've attended the premises set two three 148 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,519 one oh eightiest Main Street in the city, and there in an attempt the 149 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,960 Feroni is taking a personal property in the possession of another from his person in 150 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:48,720 immediate presence and against his whip where they said attempt was made while you were 151 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:54,519 armed with a dangerous and deadly weather tatter. That's God find you guilty of 152 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,360 robbery in the first degree. Count two is dismissed. Decision of this court. 153 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,360 She would returned to the County Jail Sheriff of transfer you to the state 154 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:13,440 penitentiary where he was served the sentences described by law Courts Team until miss Tyler. 155 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,600 Oh, she's taking pretty hard. Come on, we better go see 156 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:24,480 her. Hello, Dorothy, I love it, Joe. What am I 157 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,120 gonna do without him? Children? I'll give it you straight, Dorothy. 158 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,039 You didn't do much to keep Max out of this. You drank right along 159 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,360 with him. You don't deserve those kids. That's my opprest. Don't make 160 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:37,600 it any hard. I'll do anything I can for the kids, Dorothy, 161 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:43,399 that's all. Who am I gonna do without him? I can't be all 162 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,279 alone about Max. It's not right. It's not right. Neither's armed robbery. 163 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:56,639 Goodbye, Dorothy. Before the end of March, Max Tyler was delivered 164 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,879 to San Quentin State Penitentiary, where he started serving his term. That's why 165 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,200 if Dorothy Tyler got a job as a telephone operator, she and her children 166 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,840 continued living with her relatives down in Inglewood. I helped them out whenever I 167 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,799 could. Six months went by. Every two weeks faithfully, Tyler wrote me 168 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,039 a letter from prison. I answered most of them. While Ben and I 169 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:16,559 worked on other jobs. The search for George Preston went on. We failed 170 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:22,120 to uncover a single lead. Ten months past Tuesday, January sixteenth, nineteen 171 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:26,399 forty nine, four pm, I checked in for work as usual. A 172 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,600 Hi, Joe, hold, uh huh, yeah, did you pick up 173 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,159 the mail's letter in your box from San Quentin Tyler. How's he doing anyway? 174 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,840 Good clean record, got himself a pretty fair job in the prison library. 175 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,440 I talked to the warden up there, says Tyler ought to be eligible 176 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,519 for parole about a year if he keeps his nose clean. You going to 177 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,200 bed for Tyler again? I don't know. See what happens? Can you 178 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,480 see anything in that guy? He's giving you nothing but trouble. A lot 179 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,679 of people have given him the same. Maybe that explains it. Not for 180 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,480 me, it doesn't. I wouldn't trust him with dirty under it. I 181 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,600 get it. Robbery Friday, Joe. It's Dorothy Tyler. I gotta talk 182 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,639 to you, Yeah, Dorothy, what's a manner? Upon christ I saw 183 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,759 it? What George Christa. I know where he is. I saw him 184 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,720 downtown. I followed him to his place. Be sure it was him. 185 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:16,440 I'm positive he's staying at one three four Jesse Street. It's a room in 186 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,559 house just off Alameda, one three four Jesse got it, Thanks, Dorothy, 187 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:28,080 come on Ben. Eight minutes later, Ben and I were interviewing the 188 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:31,840 landlord at one thirty four Jesse Street, Chief rooming house down on the south 189 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,080 end of the city. The landlord's name was Peterson. We showed him Crest's 190 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,240 mugshot and he told us he was in room eleven. We went up a 191 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:48,440 dark, narrow stairway to the second floor. Here we are, remember eleven. 192 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,159 I'd stand clear. I'll try the door. It's open, Yeah, 193 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,480 Joe, I have a look. Yes, n he's passed out. Come 194 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:07,639 on, slipped the up some that was easy. Yea, all right, 195 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:11,679 I got his gun. He's been drinking. All right. You'll have a 196 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:20,080 big hangover. You'll have a long time to get over it. George Crester 197 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,320 was booked at County Jail on suspicion of robbery. Two months and three weeks 198 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:24,960 later, in Superior Court, he was tried and convicted of assault with a 199 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,399 deadly weapon and first degree robbery and sentenced to the state penitentiary. The day 200 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,480 after Crester was sentenced, I was called of the office of Cupid Detectives Thad 201 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,799 Brown. Right it this Max Tyler is coming up for Pearl in a couple 202 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,120 of months. He's a friend of yours, isn't he. That's right in 203 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,720 a way, you've been writing letters to the warden. We talked to the 204 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:45,559 parole board about him. Understand you're helping on his kids a few presents. 205 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:48,919 They haven't had much of a break. It's just youngsters. You're working hard 206 00:15:48,919 --> 00:15:50,919 to get Tanna's parole. Do you think he's worth it? But I was 207 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,840 off both him and his wife, and then she gave us that tip about 208 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:58,200 Creston. Tyler's got such a good record up a que and figured they'd earned 209 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,120 another chance. You're sticking a chin on Joe, helping a condy oft the 210 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,960 pearle a. I think you'll realize that. Oh, I believe he's a 211 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,039 good risk now. She he's pretty weak in some things. He needs direction, 212 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,240 that's all. His wife's getting better. She might help more than she 213 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,960 did. Hope both of them are worth her. If anything happens, I 214 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,320 know I'm gonna get it from all sides. You really think some men deserve 215 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,360 another chance, don't you? Yes, sir, I do. I wouldn't 216 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:26,320 want your working for me if you didn't. Two more weeks went by Tuesday, 217 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,279 April nineteenth, Ben came down with a bad cold and had to lay 218 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,519 off work. At the same time, a new gang started a hold up 219 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,879 campaign among the liquor stores out in the Wilshire District. A new rash of 220 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,679 armed robberies broke out in the central area. There was an attempted bank robbery. 221 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:41,519 It was a bad week. Ben got back to work on Saturday. 222 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 A rough time, hon, Joe busy. Yeah you beat that cold all 223 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:48,519 right? Sure, feel much better. Doctor gave me some new medicine. 224 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,080 Works good. That's fine. Maybe I'll knock off earlier than that. If 225 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,399 nothing's doing good. Yeah, it shouldn't leave too much tonight, Hollo type 226 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:00,279 for you just came in. Oh thanks, Larry. Sure smile of Joe. 227 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:15,960 Max Tyler, he broke out of prison this morning. You are listening 228 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:26,720 to dragnet authentic stories of your police force in action. In the course of 229 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:32,200 his career, the police officers afforded two diverse views of the criminal. At 230 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,519 first, the rookie cop is taught to distruss the criminal at every turn without 231 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:40,039 exception. He's schooled in the thousand and one ways in which the criminal operates, 232 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:44,319 his psychology, his mode of operation. Then, when he's thoroughly acquainted 233 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,519 with the methods of the criminal and how best to detect them, the police 234 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:51,759 officer starts to learn the most difficult lesson of all how to distinguish between the 235 00:17:51,839 --> 00:17:56,680 confirmed criminal and the lawbreaker in whom there is hope of rehabilitation. After nine 236 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,640 and a half years of police worked, my first experiment in field was with 237 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:03,640 Max Tyler. I'd given him two chances to prove himself, and he'd lost 238 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:08,119 on both of them, so did I. Two months before his parole hearing, 239 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,039 which might have given him his freedom, Max Tyler had suddenly decided to 240 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,720 escape. How he figured it, I didn't know, but it was my 241 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,680 job to find him. At five o'clock that afternoon, Ben and I met 242 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,000 in the Chief of Detective's office. Two officers Holland and Grayson from the State 243 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,799 Adult Authority Escape Detail were there. How did Tyler manage his escape? Grayson 244 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,680 the same old story. They figured they could trust him up there. He 245 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,440 had a good job on the prison fire and they trusted him when they find 246 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,599 out he was gone on the early morning count. If you checked his relatives 247 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:36,799 out in Englewood, yeah, yeah, we have. We've got the home 248 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,759 staked out, recovering all the places we figured he might go. How about 249 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,599 missus Tyler, You get in touch with her Friddy. Her relatives told us 250 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,880 that she's on a weekend vacation with the two kids staying with friends down in 251 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,559 Laguna Beach. We've got a call in to them. Should be hearing from 252 00:18:48,599 --> 00:18:51,559 him soon. I understand. Tyler's a friend of yours. Friday he was 253 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:55,160 ready for parole. Yeah. I was trying to help him along. I 254 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,559 thought the guy deserved a break. He didn't need you, Joe. He 255 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,200 made his own. He's feeling bad. You weren't the only one fooled, 256 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,599 Friday. Yeah. The prison official was Buffalo too. Yeah. I know. 257 00:19:03,759 --> 00:19:07,000 I helped convince them. You got any leeds on Tyler at all? 258 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:11,799 Grayson, I mean from the time he broke prison. Pretty strange. He 259 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,160 traced him as far as Stockton. Then they lost the trail completely. They 260 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,000 stuck from police in on the sir. Yeah, sure, funny. The 261 00:19:18,039 --> 00:19:19,640 guy has no money, no car, we know of, no change of 262 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,079 clothes. You figure he's getting helped from somebody. Could be excids or not 263 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,519 Ron speaking. Oh just a moment, you Friday, Well, thank you, 264 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:36,079 Friday. Yeah, when where I just a minute? We hold on, 265 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,440 please, So the Tyler's friends down to Laguna Beach, there's this Tynor 266 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:41,119 there. No. She called him last night about seven o'clock told him she 267 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,599 changed her plan. She wasn't coming. She told them where she was going. 268 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,240 She wanted to know which highway would take her to Stockton. We told 269 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:52,799 the Tyler's friends in Laguna Beach to contact us immediately if they heard from either 270 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,519 mister or Missus Tyler. We got out on APB or Dorothy Tyler, and 271 00:19:56,599 --> 00:20:00,319 then we drove out the interviewer relatives in Englewood. They told us that Missus 272 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,799 Tower had the two children with her. She had left their house at six 273 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,319 p m. The night before by taxi. As far as they knew, 274 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,599 she didn't own a car. We talked with some of her friends in the 275 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:12,319 neighborhood. The only thing they could tell us was that she had not borrowed 276 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:15,799 a car from many of them. We drove down to the telephone exchange where 277 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,039 she was employed as an operator, and we spoke with a manager of mister 278 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,559 Ralph Cartwright. I'm sorry, gentlemen, this is missus Tyler's night off. 279 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,160 Is there something I can help you with? When there's Missus Tyner do back 280 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:33,960 work, mister Cartwright. She's working the ten to seven starting tomorrow doing at 281 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,119 ten am. We understand that she's on a weekend vacation. Yeah, you 282 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,839 see, today is payday. So she asked me if she could have her 283 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,000 check ahead of time, said she had to have the money for the weekend. 284 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,039 Did you give her the check? Oh? My no, I couldn't 285 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,920 give her the check ahead of time, but I did do her a favor 286 00:20:49,279 --> 00:20:52,400 just to help her over the weekend. What was that I loaned my car? 287 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:59,480 We got a complete description of the car together with a license number, 288 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:03,039 and call the office. The information was broadcast to all units throughout the city 289 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:07,000 and teletype to all points in the state. Chief of Detectives that Brown ordered 290 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,799 an immediate steak out on the telephone exchange where missus Tyler was employed. The 291 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,519 steak out at the home of Inglewood continued. Another day passed. We checked 292 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,440 with the bank where Missus Tyler maintained her account was ten twenty five am when 293 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,200 we got back to robbery detail. Gentlemen, what'd you find out as Tyler 294 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,720 closed your account three days ago with drew order, saved four to six dollars 295 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:30,839 and fifty five cents and they're going to go far on that Any word about 296 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,839 that car she borrowed. Tetotype came in about an hour ago. They found 297 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,960 it just outside sunt of Barbara abandoned. Anyone see the Tylers. No reports. 298 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,759 I wonder how those poor kids making out. We must be crazy and 299 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:42,839 his wife too, if she was going to help him pull on the skate 300 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,759 while she have to drag the kids along, it's away. Some parents figure 301 00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:48,799 Friday, they owe their children nothing. The children owe them every change. 302 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:56,079 Go for your Friday data un two. Oh thanks Larry Friday. This is 303 00:21:56,279 --> 00:22:02,559 Hopkins Friday on steak up the phone exchange. Yeahbert Tyler. Woman came through 304 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:10,960 a chick. We got her. Dorothy Tyler was brought into the city Hall. 305 00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:12,880 Whether it was one of her children, he was delivered to the juvenile 306 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,279 authorities for the time being. Missus Tyler was brought the interrogation room. She 307 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,920 refused to admit anything to the officers from the adult authority. She said she 308 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,119 wanted to talk to me. I went in. She threw her arms around 309 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,559 me and started trying. You won't let him get next with you, You 310 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,559 won't let um. I'm after him as much as they are, maybe more. 311 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,079 Where is he? I can't tell you. Why'd you do it? 312 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,319 Dorothy? Why you know why? I had to see him I had to 313 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,119 be with Max. It's a bum deal. You traded days for years. 314 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,160 If I don't tell him where he is, they won't find him. Find 315 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,359 him. He's got to eat, so do you and the kids. He 316 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,720 has to go to work, and working with a gun as all he knows, 317 00:22:55,759 --> 00:23:00,839 he'll leave a trail. We'll find him. None of the children. 318 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,519 Wris, Jimmy, you're taking care of him. That's more than you did. 319 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,720 Where's your other boy? Vans? Max? Max? Heasin? That's 320 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:12,680 fine? Anyone Max ought to be a real pride of yourselves. I had 321 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:18,000 to see him, you know that. I had to see Mac. Has 322 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:23,519 he got a gun? Has he has he used it? No? He 323 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:27,200 just thought he might need it. He hasn't heard anyone. I swear it. 324 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,319 You helped him escape, Is that right? You helped him? He 325 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,200 needed help. I met him at San Ravelle. We drove all night. 326 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,799 He didn't hurt anyone. Joe, he hasn't heard anyway. Where is he 327 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,640 now? Where is he? All right? Dorothy, we'll find him, 328 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:55,799 Joe if I tell you. If I tell you, when you go along, 329 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,480 I can show you the way. Would you go alone? Yeah? 330 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,359 All right, I'll take you to him. Joe, I trust you. 331 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:15,079 Yeah. I trusted him once too. Five pm, Monday, April twenty 332 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,319 fifth, Dorothy Tyler, Ben and I got in the car and headed north 333 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,240 for the coast town of Santa Maria, acting under orders of Chief of Detectives 334 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,720 Thad Brown. Larry Thompson from robbery Detail followed in another car. Holland and 335 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,640 Grayson from the State Adult Authority were with him. It was ten minutes past 336 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720 eight when we drove through the town of Santa Maria. Just outside the city, 337 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,279 Dorothy Tyler directed us to turn off onto a dirt road. We drove 338 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:45,759 about two months. She told us to pull up process for you shacked by 339 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:49,319 those trees. No, man, I hear. I'll go with you, 340 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,599 Joe, maybe Max. You won't understand you stay here, Joe, car 341 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:57,799 Carl stopped you. It's COTX Dorothy. It had to be. They won't 342 00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:03,480 shoot unless Max days. I said to go alone. I'll go alone. 343 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,000 Ridy, Hello, Rayson? Where is he should tell you? That shack 344 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,559 over there across the field. But that clump of trees. He's got one 345 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,200 of the kids within that right. Yeah, he won't be any trouble. 346 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,839 He's armed. The cons up at Clinton and say he won't be taking a 347 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,599 lie. They say he'll shoot it out. I talk a lot better. 348 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,039 Let us take him. You're not getting paid. But this one, I'll 349 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:27,440 take him alone. I made a promise the guy in the shacks, and 350 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,319 they have a breaking promise. And I keep mind keep an eye on this 351 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,279 totter. Will he Ben Thompson's watching her. I'm coming with you. I 352 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,559 told her i'd go alone. There's two doors front and back. Which one 353 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:44,920 you're going in front? I'll be round back. Yeah, yeah, I'll 354 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:52,519 be right back. Rayson. I started to cross the field. Shack was 355 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:57,079 about one hundred yards from the road. The field was uncultivated, and I 356 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:03,359 wasn't sure of my footing. I stumbled over a tree stump. Halfway across 357 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:11,240 the field. The lights in the shack went out. Where's that? Where 358 00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:27,160 is it? Me? Max? Joe Friday? Max, come on, 359 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:40,440 open up all right, Max? Why the gun? Joe? I never 360 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,039 thought you'd take me with a gun. I never thought i'd have to kick 361 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:47,039 down a door to get you. You've changed a lot, Max, how'd 362 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:52,160 you find me? Dorothy? Tell you? Where is she outside? Your 363 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,720 boy over there, Vans, you're sleeping. He's okay? Put out your 364 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:07,480 hands, put out your hands. Sorry, Joe, Yeah, given good 365 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:11,200 to his home and try to explain neither. Will I am Maxed? Come 366 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:22,599 on, The story you have just heard was true, only the names were 367 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:29,000 changed to protect the innocent. On June, second trial was held in Superior 368 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,759 Court, City and County of marin State of California. In a moment the 369 00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:45,240 results of that trial, Max Tyler pleaded guilty to the charge of escape and 370 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,400 was sentenced to the term as prescribed by law. He was returned to San 371 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:53,440 Quentin and then transferred to Fulsome penitentiary where he is now serving his sentence. 372 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,559 You have just Heardnet a new series of authentic cases from official files. Technical 373 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,480 advice for Dragnet comes from the office of Acting Chief of Police W. A. 374 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:14,039 Wharton, Los Angeles Police Department. Dragnet honors the State of California and 375 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,119 the men of the California Highway Patrol, another of America's outstanding law enforcement agencies. 376 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:26,039 One of these men, Highway Patrol Commissioner Clifford E. Peterson, outstanding 377 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:32,119 administrator and educator in the field of law enforcement, dedicates his life to making 378 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,000 yours more secure. Fatima Cigarettes, best of all long Cigarettes, has brought 379 00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:41,640 you Dragnet from Los Angeles. Be sure to hear mister and Missus Ronald Coleman 380 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:56,759 in The Halls of Ivy starting tomorrow on NBC Welcome Back. This explores what 381 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:03,079 happens when a police saw officer tries to help someone out and things don't go 382 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,440 well. And obviously there are many cases that happen in real life where you 383 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,000 try to help people and they won't be helped. Addiction, dysfunction, and 384 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,960 character flaws are all powerful forces, and many people, whether they're on the 385 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:22,599 police force or not, have tried to help people out, but in the 386 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:30,240 end they won't make long term changes. Why let Moce initially sound like Friday 387 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,039 is putting the blame on the Why for the husband's problems. What becomes clear 388 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:41,240 throughout the story is Friday's problem with her is that as a couple, they 389 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,079 tend to bring out the worst in each other. They both drink heavily, 390 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,039 and I think today we would probably say that they were both alcoholics and both 391 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,440 also have poor judgment and encourage the other to make bad decisions. The episode 392 00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:03,240 is in one way depressing. You can give people a second chance and they 393 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,240 can take advantage of it. You can be cautious and do diligence and be 394 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:11,160 circumspect and give them another chance, only to have it blow up in your 395 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:17,640 face. But the conversation with Thad Brown is important. He doesn't even want 396 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:23,599 someone working for him who's totally closed off to taking a chance on someone. 397 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:30,279 Maybe it's like an old baseball adage I heard several years ago. The third 398 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:37,519 base coach on a baseball team makes a call whether the runner coming around third 399 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:42,039 should head home, whether it's on a base head, or whether it's tagging 400 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:48,039 up and running home. I've heard it said that if you're a third base 401 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,279 coach and you never have a runner thrown out at the plate, it's because 402 00:30:52,319 --> 00:31:00,240 you're too cautious and you're likely costing the team runs because there are situations where 403 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,200 you should have sent the runner and you're just too timid and too cautious about 404 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,839 it. And I think the same can be said if you're never let down 405 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,839 by someone you're trying to help. Of course, in either case, if 406 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,920 it happens all the time, that's another matter. Been Romero had a couple 407 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,799 of nice moments in this one. I love when Friday tried to use his 408 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,640 promise of going in alone as justification to go up to the house with no 409 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,880 other police officer around, and Romero didn't argue it. He said, so 410 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:38,079 you're going in the front or the back, and Friday said, I'm going 411 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,079 in the front, and he goes, okay, I'll be at the back. 412 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,319 This is not a discussion here, Friday. And of course Romero had 413 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,279 good reason for that. After all, he said he wouldn't trust Max with 414 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,319 dirty laundry. Now that was not a common saying because it sounded great. 415 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,839 It was something just original to the script, but it may now become my 416 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:07,799 favorite way of saying I don't trust someone. Also found Max's reaction to Friday 417 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,759 coming in with the gun really interesting with his whole why the gun thing, 418 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:22,440 because it really showed an inability to grasp the seriousness of what he'd done and 419 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:29,440 take responsibility for it. Joe Friday took the risk of entering the cabin alone 420 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,319 and he gets, hey, why did you bring a gun? Because he 421 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:40,400 didn't want to end up a hostage or worse, which was certainly possible based 422 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,599 on Max's terrible judgment. And I think Max had some moments of good intentions 423 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:52,200 and even regret, but without the actual changing character. It just couldn't last. 424 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,799 Now, one thing to note about this episode is this begins the naming 425 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,720 convention of episode being named the Big This or the Big That, which would 426 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:13,119 continue throughout the radio series and the nineteen fifties television series. With this exception 427 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:21,799 of re performances or rebroadcast of twenty two Rifle for Christmas and one other episode 428 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,119 which we're going to hear in a couple of weeks, that would continue to 429 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:30,359 be the naming convention. I didn't find any information as to why this was 430 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:36,880 chosen. It was never something that was made a big deal of in terms 431 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,480 of public announcements, but using the big this or the Big that was certainly 432 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,200 not unheard of in a lot of the parter more serious crime fiction, the 433 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,039 first Philip Marlowe novel, of course, The Big Sleep, and there are 434 00:33:53,599 --> 00:34:00,920 some detective programs that have used the Big this or the Big that for episode 435 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:07,759 titles. But it would become a really big part of Dragnet right up until 436 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:15,800 the nineteen sixties series, when you would start to have more variations in titles, 437 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:21,880 particularly suited to a new era. Not really something that quite makes sense. 438 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:28,000 In the late nineteen sixties well, now we turn to listener comments and 439 00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:32,880 feedback, and we start out with that which we receive regarding the twenty two 440 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,079 rifle for Christmas, And we start out with Alexis, who writes, not 441 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,639 sure I've heard this one before, but it's the darkest and most dramatic dragnet. 442 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:49,880 I've heard the emotion of the father so powerful and Friday's line so dry, 443 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,400 and that was from good pots. And then we have an email from 444 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:58,800 Mike who writes, high, Adam, I'm still catching up on old episodes, 445 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,360 so this was my first time hearing this one, and man, was 446 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,719 it tough. What I wanted to comment on, though, was how well 447 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,960 you handled the post episode commentary. I feel like this has come up a 448 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,760 few times recently, but this episode in particular had a very difficult and divisive 449 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,440 issue to discuss. You did a great job explaining the differing views of the 450 00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,719 time and relating them to the differing views of our time without passing judgment on 451 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,280 one side or the other. It was a masterclass in objectivity that I think 452 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,480 a lot of professionals on all sides could learn from. Keep up the great 453 00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,840 work. Well, Thank you so much, Mike. I really respect and 454 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:47,880 appreciate that we have such multitude of political perspectives listening to the podcast, and 455 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,559 I want to honor that. But I don't really talk about politics or subjects 456 00:35:53,639 --> 00:36:00,039 that could be political unless the story really demands it. And then when I 457 00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:05,719 do this, guy said, I want to be mindful of the audience because 458 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:13,039 my aim here with this podcast isn't to help my politics. It's in part 459 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:19,239 to be a host and to give people a bit of a respite from the 460 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:24,440 constant barrage of the headlines, which I think, regardless of our perspective, 461 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,480 we all need. Of course, I have my concerns and beliefs about a 462 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:35,440 lot of issues, but there's not a whole lot I can do about those. 463 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,000 What I can do is be a host that just tends to be how 464 00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:42,960 I approach it. Thank you so much for your kind email. And then 465 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,840 we have an email from Holly, who writes, hello, Adam, I've 466 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,119 been meeting to write for some time. In the February seventeenth edition of Dragon 467 00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,000 that finally spurred me to action. I've noticed that some of these old time 468 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:58,719 radio programs carry a socially conscious message or lesson. At this one, I 469 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,039 was stunned at the ending, the message and the father's portrayal of grief followed 470 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,840 by his desire to connect with his dead son's friend were extremely moving. No 471 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,800 wonder it had such an impact. I thought you did a fine job, 472 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,199 as you put it, discussing the controversial issue with inside and historical details. 473 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,280 Recently, you asked listeners to let you know how they started listening to the 474 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400 Great Detectors of Old Time Radio. I'm not sure when I first discovered the 475 00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:30,679 program. I'd been tuning into another Sherlock Holmes podcast during the evening, and 476 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,760 when I finished all the episodes, happened to discover your podcast, maybe two 477 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,559 to three years ago, and was intrigued by the number of Old Time Detective 478 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,280 programs, not only the mysteries, but the window that these programs provided into 479 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,320 the culture of the time, or in some cases, perhaps the cultures the 480 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,239 writers and producers were hoping to encourage. You're right, the listeners in that 481 00:37:52,400 --> 00:38:00,280 era expected that most entertainment would generally include some top of lesson or moral thinking. 482 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,599 Here of the recent Johnny Doller The Lord Whatever whatever Matter, which apparently 483 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,039 a lot of listeners dislike, though I thought it was hilarious as well as 484 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,880 a commentary on fair economic policy or the forbest matter, if I have the 485 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,639 correct title that dealt with suicide. I really enjoy your commentary, always both 486 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:24,000 informative and entertaining. The information is also of historical value. I'm biased. 487 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:29,039 From time to time. I used to see a photo online of two actors 488 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:32,880 who played black and Blue detectives of the error, always with the description no 489 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,039 information available. In fact, I have the original photo and copy attached. 490 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,880 One of the actors black was some type of relation. I was thrilled to 491 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,440 discover that photo on your website, along with a few of the actual programs. 492 00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:52,360 I really appreciated being able to listen to the recordings very interesting examples of 493 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:58,880 very early radio, although they are not of the caliber of subsequent productions and 494 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:04,519 some content would definitely be considered politically incorrect today. Well, I will thank 495 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:07,880 you for that, Holly. I don't actually remember. I think I may 496 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,599 have written something on detectives black and blue. But in fifteen years you write 497 00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:17,679 a lot of things, and there have been times where I remember writing things 498 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,320 that I've only thought I've written. But I'm glad that that was helpful. 499 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:28,320 Holly had one more paragraph. I'm also intrigued about a lot of the music 500 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,679 and literature that listeners would have been familiar with, such as the Courtship of 501 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,880 Miles Standish in Who Is Sylvia? The score to that Let George Do It 502 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:50,559 episode was an orchestral version of Franz Schubert's setting of the Shakespeare poem till Uhlin 503 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,519 Spiegel's Mary Pranks was quoted. I think it was a casey episode with an 504 00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:02,679 obnoxious prankster and the quote from Bizette's Carmen and the Mister Chameleon theme. The 505 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,880 tune refers to the smugglers hideout. Not sure how it relates to Mister Chameleon, 506 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:15,559 but it sounds so appropriate. Many thanks for providing listeners with such entertaining 507 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:20,559 and interesting programming. Well, thank you so much, Holly. I appreciate 508 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:27,400 your note. I think that one thing that they did far better in the 509 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:37,559 first half of the twentieth century is passing down knowledge and culture from previous generations 510 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,199 and the great works that came from them. So many books, so many 511 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:52,320 films, so many radio programs were dedicated to telling the history and passing along 512 00:40:52,760 --> 00:41:00,000 the from time's past, and radio reflected that that happened, and it also 513 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,840 reflected a desire to further that end. I think what we have today with 514 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,599 our popular culture is very present focused with a slight tinge of nostalgia for the 515 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,960 nineteen nineties, and there are lots of reasons for why our culture has gone 516 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,840 that way, but I think it definitely has its downside. Then we go 517 00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:35,199 over to YouTube and we have comments regarding the Garbage shoot murders. One listener 518 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,679 writes, I'm going to miss Raymond Burr as ed Backstrand. And in that 519 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:47,400 episode, I'd mentioned that later episodes of Dragnet had less instances of the death 520 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,800 penalty being applied, and Larry says the death penalty was given less because of 521 00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,079 societal changes, and I kind of wondered about that, but Larry was all 522 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:07,360 right. While the sort of pause in the death penalty in the nineteen seventies, 523 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,960 you know, stopped executions for several years, there actually had been a 524 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,880 decline in executions for quite a while, and the nineteen fifties was right in 525 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,880 the middle of that decline. So it would make sense that as Dragnet went 526 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,280 on, we'd have less cases that would lead to the death penalty, even 527 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,280 if it was a case of murder. So thanks for pointing that out, 528 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,760 Larry. And then Michael says, thank you for another great episode of Dragnet, 529 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,159 and another listener writes, thank you enjoyed well, Thank you so much 530 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,880 and appreciate your comments. Now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the 531 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,960 day. Thank you to Max, Patreon supporter since November twenty fifteen, currently 532 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,559 supporting the podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars and fourteen cents or 533 00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,679 more. Thank you so much for your support, Max, And that will 534 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,760 do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using 535 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,440 your favorite podcast soft. If you're enjoying the podcast on YouTube, be sure 536 00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,400 to lock the video, subscribe to the channel, and mark the notification bell, 537 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,760 all those great things that help YouTube channels to grow. We'll be back 538 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,079 next Saturday with another episode of Dragnet, but join us back here tomorrow for 539 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:32,719 our second listener support slash Appreciation special. Where you want web mister Stella Martin, 540 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,920 she live here? Yoh, Mike McCay Investigations. You got a cod 541 00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,119 says let's go inside. As you got a cod, just show me this 542 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,159 Miss Martin here no cod? If I say yes, she's here. Then 543 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:51,159 what happens? I said inside? How where is she? I'm glad you 544 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,719 push me soon? Now I got a recent fine. You want web mister 545 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,880 Stella Martin? She live here? Huh yeah? Who Johnny Dollar Investigations. 546 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,519 You get a card that says that, let's go inside. Just you got 547 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:12,480 a cad? Just show me miss Martin here? No card? I tell 548 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440 you, Yeah, she's here, And what happens? I sat inside? 549 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,079 I'm glad you did that, Sunny. Now I got a reason. Now 550 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,679 cut it out. I just want to kiss smaller than your little I hope 551 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,840 you'll be with us then in the meantime, send your comments to Box thirteen 552 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,400 at Great Detectives dot net, follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and 553 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,599 check us out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com, slash Great Detectives from 554 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,760 Boise Adohol. 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