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Get ready for it. Hey,
July twelve, twenty twenty four, allegedly,

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according to that thing we call a
calendar, this the o'celli effect,

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and you hearing us live if you're
just after eight pm Eastern time in what

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we used to call America. If
it's ah, let's see, about a

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minute and a half past the hour. You're hearing us live on the twelfth

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day of July. But somehow the
people outside of my house still think it's

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the fourth of July, or popping
their fireworks and all that good stuff.

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And don't I sound great. I'm
barely belting out my usual voice here,

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having a little bit of a rough
time. Anyways, it is what it

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is. It's Friday. That means
you can join us. Who's us myself,

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my co host b Pete is with
me, and you could join us

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at three one nine five two seven
five zero one six that's three one nine

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five two seven five zero one six, or reach out to me Charles dot

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Ocelli on Skype and I will call
you into the show. And uh,

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I always hate to say this because
every time I say it, I wind

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up having to talk a lot.
But I go, you know, I

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don't want to talk too much tonight
because my voice is shot as it is.

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Aaron Franz will follow us at ten
pm Eastern, so we're not gonna

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have a long show tonight. But
still, somehow I got a bad feeling

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I'm gonna wind up talking a lot, and let's try and move things along.

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Let's be a little more pifty and
concise when we're making our statements and

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move things along. I'd like to
get more callers in if more callers show

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up, and if not, I'd
like to, you know, rotate through

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people quicker. So let's do that. Whatever's on your mind is fine.

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I'm not gonna moved for politics,
but what else is old? Here we

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go? Uh? I got a
couple of sound clips I could play and

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all that stuff. But before we
go anywhere else, pet Pete, how

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are you doing tonight? Man?
Doing some rain that we desperately need.

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It's been off and on for the
past two days. Other than that,

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Fish was able to get some stuff
finalized that work schedule wise, so I

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bike. Hopefully in a couple of
weeks, I can tell you death on

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Dallas. Ah. Well, that
sounds good. You know, I'm definitely

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going if I'm in one piece.
So here we go. I'm making arrangements

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with people by the way, trying
to see what we can work out.

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Bring along some goodies to either sell
at a discount or give away at the

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at the table again. But I'm
not going to have the same kind of

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stuff I did for the tenth anniversary
last year. But you know, I'm

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gonna have a lot of stuff that
you know what, ten bucks. I

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think ten bucks is more than fair
for a brand new signed book from from

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an author that didn't make it to
the conference, or you know, some

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cool item or whatever. Ten bucks. I'm going to try and do ten

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dollars items. So that's what we're
gonna do. I'll tell you what,

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though, think if you got a
couple of things, you can let go

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for twenty because the money I saw
changing hands, it's there and you might

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as well try to smack it.
Yeah, but you know, it's not

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about the money for me. I
got to make something for sure. And

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it looks like miss is always going
to go with me, and we're gonna

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drag Frankie along too. Now.
I don't know how much participation they're gonna

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have, but you'll probably see him
at the table at some point, but

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I got a feeling my son's gonna
get bored and want to go somewhere,

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so you know, they're not going
to probably sit for the whole thing.

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But I'll be there the whole time. I am the MC. It is

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an interesting conference, and more details
on that, plus discounts discount tickets by

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the way, Ocelly ten is your
discount code for ten percent off on all

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the tickets. But also they got
discounts on travel, discounts on rooms,

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all this stuff. So anyway,
more and more I'll be announcing that and

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putting it out in the text of
the shows, just so everybody knows.

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But anyway, we're still ways away
from Dallas. Gotta survive till then.

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I gotta tell you, none of
the dreams in my house are working BP

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so uh yeah, we can't flush
a toilet or let the water go down

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in the tub or nothing. Okay, Uh no, drain is draining in

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my house. Uh that's one problem
that I'm having over here. I gotta

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tell you, life is. Life
is just weird. I gotta laugh when

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things are just so screwed up.
But anyway, it is what it is.

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Maybe you guys got interesting stories from
your life call in three one nine,

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five two seven five zero one six. So you're gonna let me know

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about Dallas soon. But what's happening
currently? Anything? Anything good to report?

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Striking news stories, good stuff out
there, bad stuff out there?

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What you got man? Wello,
wow, that's the biggest hit behind is

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just a little bit ago. Alec
Baldwin got his charges dropped. They dismissed

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his case with pregnice too. We
surprised me. B Peter can appeal that

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decision with prejudice uh and try to
refile, but as right now, he

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walks away free. So, as
I've told people before, I'd rather go

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with Dick Cheney than work with Alan
Bolder. I see. Well, you

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know it's interesting because they were broadcasting
the trial yesterday on uh on a live

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stream thing. Excuse me again,
that paramount has uh they called the Inside

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Edition channel. It's one of their
free channels or whatever, and uh they

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were oh cour TV also Okay,
I didn't know that, but anyway,

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so they were carrying this thing and
it was a long, boring ridiculous like

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you know, what, what is
the thing about when you get a gun

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and it's a prop and do you
know what's going on, and they were

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kind of looked to me like they
were going for it, you know,

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really getting into it. Why was
that all of a sudden dismissed? Uh

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do you know the details? Yeah, A poor there was when they were

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gathering evidence investigating this thing. There
were some live rounds found in one of

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the gun belts that one of the
actors, in fact, I think the

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Alec Baldwin's gun belt itself, the
belt and holster was one unit. There

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were some rounds in it and they
were tested and apparently there was a report

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put out, and the prosecutor says
that they weren't aware of the report.

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As soon as they became aware of
the report, they went to the person

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who's supposed to upload stuff for the
trial, right, I mean, you

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know all these courtses do shit online
nowadays, so they were supposed to upload

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it. And the prosecution during the
testimony asked for a hearing for a dismissal

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because of Brady violations, which means
apparently there was something in this report that

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could have been exculpatory to mister Baldwin
and therefore would have been given to them

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under the disclosure acts, and it
wasn't prostcutor says, well, as soon

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as we realized we had it what
it was, we made it available and

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the judge said, you know,
that was a clear Brady violation. The

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thing is when she dismissed it,
she dismissed it with me. They can't

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refile those charges. So while the
boss had to appeel that decision to be

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able to refile. Over months from
that, they may say not world returnament.

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You can refile if you want,
and she may refile. But they're

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very serious about this, and it's
because Baldwin had a dual position. He

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was an actor, but he was
also one of the producers, right,

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and the you know, being a
producer, you have some responsibilities to what's

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done on your production. But the
judge decided that that was an irrelevant point

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earlier in the case. So basically
they're charging him with the I don't know

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what exactly what the charge was.
Was it manslaughter, was it murdered,

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It would have pulled eighteen months just
like the armorer did. Sounds to me

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like a manslaughter sounds to me like
a manslaughter charge. But you know it's

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a rough thing. I mean,
but once again, what you're telling me

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is the involuntary manslaughter so the rich
guy doesn't get punished in a court.

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Oh, color me shocked. Listen, I got a I got a callerse

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Armor was found guilty and was charged
eighteen months. Well, some people felt

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that being the producer, he should
have some amount of responsibility as well,

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because he's responsible for what goes on
on a set. Yeah, but somebody

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working as a you know, with
a job as an armorer for you know,

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for guns for TV or movies or
whatever, guarantee you not exactly the

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richest guy on the set. So
you know, anyways, we got a

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caller nine one six area code.
Sorry what okay, well, yeah,

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let's get to the caller. Baldwin
did offer a settlement with the family over

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this deal, but he hasn't paid
it yet, so you may see that

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civil action come up here round.
Oh yeah, no, you got civil

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actions. But this was the criminal
thing, so you know, that's a

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separate issue. But if he settles
with the family, then again, you

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know, depending on the timing of
it, it might cause them to not

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necessarily push for such a prosecution if
they got a settlement, or it could

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even be an agreement that they don't
want to cooperate with the prosecution that that's

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come up before, and then people
wind up going to court to argue about

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that. Anyways, nine to one
to six area code. And I know

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we got other callers already, so
let me go to the first one and

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h yeah, your life. Go
ahead, whatever's on your mind. I

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don't know you want to talk Alec
Baldwin, but that's where we started today.

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Anything on your mind is fair game, though, go ahead, got

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you Chuck Danny here in northern California, and just the weather update here at

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at the eleven and yesterday was one
hundred and eleven and we came with the

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break of a couple of days and
then we had about a nine day period

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of from one hundred and two to
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hot here hot in parts of California. See, but all of California is

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not one hundred eleven degrees, right, I mean you got varying temperatures,

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don't you? Or is that just
the peak of the temperatures in California.

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It's where we're at now. If
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east, where to get into like
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even hit seventy degrees on the coast, so it's kind of got nature's air

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conditioning there. But it's been really
hot. But that's a weather report here.

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But the subject I want to talk
about I saw in herret and the

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Jerusalem Time, I mean Israel Times. They're talking about ninety f when the

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October seven. This is no endorsement
of Hamas, but it looks like they

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use something called their soldiers or port
called the Hannibal Accord, where they if

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there's an action, they start just
basically killing everybody. And it looks like

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there's there's quite a bit of evidence
starting to build that the death count that

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happened October seventh may have been at
some of it may have been at the

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hands of Israelis. Or your thoughts
or I had not seen that report yet?

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Had you seen that Jerusalem Post you
said it was in was the Israel

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Times amount of arrests? Which is
which is in Israeli? It came out

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about five days ago, and then
the Israeli Times a day later they seem

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to kind of confirm this. And
I know that there's been quite a bit

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of debunking some of the some of
the rape and sexual assault claims that you

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know, any situational we're kind of
shop we you know, for whatever reason,

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they start sending a narrative to want
to go to war, and after

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thirty seven thousand casualties confirmed and goes
and just to shine with fourteen thousand children.

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I think this is this is not
a just war. It's what it's

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turned into. Well, you know
what, what this is my open question

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always with this, which is what
war ends up being a just situation because

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always civilians who didn't ask for it
end up getting caught in it one way

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or another, no matter what.
Whenever a larger military action occurs. It's

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just it's the way of the world. So you know, find me a

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truly I know people are going World
War two and you know, guaranteed though

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even in a just cause, you're
going to have innocent victims. It's it's

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it's a guarantee. Well, I
never know what to make of these stories

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or how far it really goes.
I am not somebody who trusts, you

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know, the Israeli state anyway.
But but then again, I'm not one

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of these guys just constantly screaming about
you know, Zionism either. So you

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know, I don't know what to
make of it except that it's an ugly,

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ugly situation all the way around.
Uh And I haven't seen these reports.

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I'm trying to find it. Actually, I'll set up a lot of

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Times of Israel story on it.
And it's referring to Haretza's Apparently Horetz is

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the one that broke the story,
and it's it's uh yeah, it's they're

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saying that. In the first few
hours of this thing kicking off, there

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went an order issue from from the
Military Group of Military group with the Hannibal

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Protocol, which is one that was
supposedly done away with in twenty sixteen,

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and it was a procedure that the
IDF implemented to cut down on the number

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of kidnapped soldiers. Apparently one of
Hamas's big things is when they go out

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and do something, kidnap any soldier
that you can one for propaganda purposes too,

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so they can throw them off a
roof after we drag them through the

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streets and then or if we won
the dead body back, you know,

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you're going to have to give us
a bunch of prisoners you got in jail

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so the IDF came up with this
procedure. It basically says, you do

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when this is enacted, you do
everything you can to prevent captured soldiers,

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which means if you know they're traveling
in a car and you can take that

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car out, killing the insurgents but
also losing a military member, it might

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happen. And all Israeli soldiers know
that you might be fighting in an area

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that's about to be bombed. They've
got a couple of instances that they're in

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question. There was one base that
was attacked where they kidnapped I think it

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was seven, Yeah, seven surveillance
soldiers were kidnapped and fifty three soldiers were

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killed. And they're wondering that if
in dis melee, is'll hit them with

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a rocket and wipe them out.
Well, okay, so well now,

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yeah, what you're kind of telling
me is we have a shoot the hostage

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protocol here, which is something that
I thought was sort of obvious when they

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turned around and they saved like three
or four people that they said were being

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held hostage, and there were like
one hundred and fifty deaths, and it

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was on both sides, and I
sat there and went, you it costs

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benefit analysis, right, what kind
of operation gets you know that many people

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killed to save you know, three
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I just so what you're telling me
is they get into a circumstance where it's

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like, look, if you can
take out the enemy insurgeon and you also

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happen to kill some of your own
people with it. Yeah. Here's the

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description the time of Israel's has and
it's quoting from this reporter says it at

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seven eighteen am, less than an
hour after the mass era on Thought had

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begun, an IDF soldier monitoring surveillance
cameras reported an attempting kidnapping of a soldier

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stationed at the Eres crossing, which
borders northern Goza. The response from command

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was an order for hannibal at Eres
corrects alleged and an instruction to dispatch a

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drone attack. Half an hour later, a second abduction was reported and the

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same order was said to have been
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soldiers operating inside their REM camp and
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a Hermes four to fifty drone attack
the REM base. Once Shaltad commandos

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were already there fighting to regain control
from the terrorists. So it's kind of

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like it says, it's unclear from
the report whether the supposed order was implemented

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at nahail Oz as seven surveillance soldiers
were nevertheless kidnapped from these and fifty three

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soldiers were killed. And there was
another report in November of last year allegend

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that a small number of civilians may
have been injured from fire from a military

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chopper as they were fleeing from the
Supernova music festival that was the one held

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in the fields at kabootri M And
the report was denied by police, however,

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and resulted in false claims from the
Palestinian authority that Israel had allowed occupational

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police and army to kill all of
the three hundred and sixty four party goers

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mowed down by terrorists. So then
you know, it's propaganda war when these

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things come out. Well, and
that's the other thing that's going to go

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on here is no matter what right
Israel is going to say, effectively,

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look, they're the monsters. They
are killing our people, even if they

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killed some of their own in friendly
fire, are probably going to try and

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attribute it to a maas uh,
and it's going to happen both ways,

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Right's. Well, one thing to
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happened, you not only had a
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some people that were wearing the uniform
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then a lot of civilians got involved
in this, and they were come to

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find out they were also taking hostages. I saw a video the other day

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where a gentleman says that he of
some reporter doing a story so that he

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had talked to both sides, both
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and that some of these hostages were
taken by civilians and later turned over to

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a mas Some of them were kept
like the girl that was set free,

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that was working as a servant for
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So that's you know, that's neither
here nor there. That's just one

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of the things that's come out in
this. But you know, it's another

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point that Israel is making is that
when a mosque was doing this, all

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these people are dressed in civilian clothes. They're not wearing uniforms. So you

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know, for someone to be taken
out, someone walking down the street could

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be an enemy combatant And basically when
Israel's on defense, that's their rule.

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Everybody is an enemy combatant until you
know, our wise kind of like a

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mosque as civilians or we don't go
after civilians, but every man and woman

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of military age is a potential enemy. That kind of crap. So the

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ideaf has their form of it,
just like a moss has their form of

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well, right, I mean,
and this is the thing again, even

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going back and talking to guys who
served in Vietnam, you know, and

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they talk about the confusion between who
is a civilian and who is not,

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uh, you know, often caused
a bunch of problems. And you know,

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and here we go. So like
I said, once you once you

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uncork this thing. Once you you
know, once you open Pandora's box.

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Man it you know, it's not
clean and precise like they show you in

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movies, you know what I mean. It is a messy thing. And

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it's a guarantee that there will be
innocent people killed. It's a guarantee there

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will be people that are hiding themselves
among forces who are you know, pretending

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to be civilian that are not.
It'll be you know, and it'll go

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back and forth and The only thing
that's guaranteed is that there's gonna be a

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lot of blood spilled just so long
as this stuff goes on. I mean,

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that's the way I see it.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but

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that's what I and that's what I'm
hearing here. But of course there's the

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intentionality, right and and people say, well, you're supposed to, you

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know, engage in certain rules and
all this. Let's be honest. I

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don't think anybody ever really does I. I really don't think so, because

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there's always discoveries. Well, that
was a mistake, you know, And

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how often are these mistakes, you
know, misfirings, oh, Eric rockets,

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you know, et cetera. How
often those mistakes really mistakes? Even

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right? So you know, ira
open, I would say good portion of

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them could be a mistake, but
it's a mistake that's inherent when you're in

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war. Well but there you go. But it's all inherent, you know,

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the mistakes and the malicious act are
all inherent. It's a guarantee,

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so you know. Anyways, Yeah, Danny, go ahead, what else?

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What else do you want to report
about this? Yeah? Oh no,

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i'most I kind of agree with all
your insut. You know, I

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just it just kind of really kind
of caught you that, you know,

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I've been kind of discussed, you
know, all these in all these works

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with the Civilian Casualist, but I
just remember the first videos of all burned

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out videos, and it was like, well, how did the mask burn

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out? All these videos? They
just all these vehicles. It just seemed

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like there was more to it than
what the story being sold. That's not

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a depensive hamas, but it's just
like how this stuff could spend and it

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starts a justification to kill more civilians. Just it just seems the no I

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have to answer your question about burned
out vehicles. I was looking at some

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of the photos of the Nova festival
that's going on and where people had parked

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from that, and it was mass
chaos when people trying to leave, and

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there was a road leading there that
you see a lot of pictures out there,

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and it's just a massive cars and
a lot of them are burnt,

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right, And a lot of that
came from they had a lot of RPGs

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and they were firing those and they
were also actually setting cars on fire.

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I mean, you know, with
Molotov cocktails and things like that when these

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guys came forward, they basically had
strapped on their back everything that they thought

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they could possibly use, even though
they're coming in on you know, an

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old Yamaha one seventy five fig buro
with no fenders there. You know,

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they got everything they need on their
back. But yeah, a lot of

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that was RPG fire, and I'm
sure a lot of it was probably rocket

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fire from helicopters that were coming to
respond suiting the people. You know,

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you got a mass of three hundred
people and they're all Some of them are

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half making because they've been at their
festival dancing with their so long on.

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But the other half, you know, they're all clothes which ones I don't

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know, get them all boom they
light it up. So I'm sure that's

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where some of it came from.
Yeah. See, there you go a

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lot of it's like which where do
you fire? Where do you not?

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And then it's just a big blanket
and area, you know, and again

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it's going to be a guarantee.
That's yeah good. That's the big argument

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about this protocol. People are saying, hey, it gives the ideaf the

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permission to take out anybody in response
to a kidnapped soldier, meaning we're gonna

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take out civilians and we're might take
out a bunch of soldiers too. You

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know, there was one hit where
like fourteen soldiers were hit and they were

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determined that, yeah, it was
from a rocket that was fired from a

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tank. I think, well,
so, Danny, I'm gonna lot of

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front. Yeah, so, Danny, I'm gonna put you on hold and

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move along to the next caller.
But hang out words, I'll come back.

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Thank you. All right, excellent, So let's see whoever's next.

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I can't quite see this right now. I'll tell you my throat's killing me.

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My eyes are not functioning correctly.
Well when do they function correctly?

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But next caller up there, I
can't even see your airy code way I'm

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sitting right this second, so you're
live and uh yeah, what's on your

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mind tonight? James? I could
already tell from the rumbling I heard rumble

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before your voice. I knew it
was you, Jimmy as soon as I

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heard that, how you doing tonight? Man? Man with a fan?

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Hey there, so well, was
gonna yeah, go ahead, ah,

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all right, it started podding,
hages. What can you do that's on

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your mind. I was gonna talk
small lot of things, but you guys

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don't why. I hear it on
some jerk rot something called Agency eleve and

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stold it last week, So I'm
not gonna give away information in the morning.

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ABC could save me if they want
to Part two. Oh wow,

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So ABC, ABC stole some information
from you. Hey, really quick about

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it. Tell a minute now,
we have to refer this to the legal

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department. Was there something you said
on here, Jimmy. If it is,

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you know, we'll go back for
you as best we can. Yeah,

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well, Friday, everything I discussed
suddenly like two three days ago came

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up from a quote unquote researcher on
something called ABC eleven. Guess what this

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best topic was. Papa JFK Watergate, my Rant Compton And they didn't even

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get my drift. So they can
all kiss my ass they want Part two,

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ABC can payment. Yeah, they
gotta at least pay for background work.

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Which, by the way, that
old Joan Mellen thing the other day,

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Jimmy, just so you know,
I took a listen to the clip

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you said, and she's telling a
story on there about that judge telling her

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something after the fact. After the
book was published, and this judge said

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that Beckham made a statement. So
that to me is the second hand statement.

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So when she says I don't remember
getting that in an interview with him,

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it's because she didn't and she was
getting a little mad at me too,

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but because she felt like your questions
and my tone was challenging. Yeah,

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I don't know you does that.
I mean, I'm doing is what

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she wants. I'm trying to build
on her foundations of research. I know

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when I try to ask question,
I mean, well, just as long

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as you understand, I did the
best I could with it. And but

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I didn't realize that this was a
statement made to her after the book.

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So that's not from an interview of
her interviewing Beckham, it's secondhand information.

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Yeah. Well no, I'm pretty
sure that was in her original book.

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Well I also know I heard it
in her two hour speech at Trumple University.

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Well it could be like I just
can't a sudden one time ten years

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ago. No, no, no, but I'm just saying. In the

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clip you sent me, she where
she's talking to Brent Holland she says,

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look this guy Charles, I forget
his name. The judge from Alabama told

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her that Beckham made this statement so
information. That being the case, it's

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secondhand information and therefore it's not from
an interview with her talking to him.

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But she also said that she takes
everything he says in the interviews to her

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to be gospel. So if she
conducted an interview and he said it,

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she's saying that she believes it.
Now, I'm not so sure. I'm

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not so sure. I'm on her
side about that because I think Beckham might

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be a little challenged due to circumstances
beyond his control. Uh. And you

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know, you may have to question
some of his statements because you know,

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he's been pressured over the years,
he's had he's had different problems over the

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years. And I'm not saying that
you know that he's a liar. I'm

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just saying that I would question his
memory a little bit, not take everything

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he says is absolutely gospel, that's
all. But you know me, I

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never take anybody's statements absolute gospel,
right, right, And I would agree

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that this is the problem. The
Rabbi talks a lot of shit, right.

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I need to get one straight story
of this man. It's like legally

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recognized as a stateful well and as
far as and as far as I know

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right now, Beckham is still alive
and avoiding people. So you know,

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last I checked, he was strong. DP Get the emails I sent you

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at two three weeks ago with all
these people's information. Yeah, well no,

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I every time you send me email
addresses, I mail out to people.

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I tried to contact, even the
guy from Saturday Night Live, Garrett

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Morris. I tried to contact everybody
you send contacts for man, it doesn't

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mean they respond. But Beckham,
to my knowledge, though other people who

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have talked to him in the past
have tried to reapproach him, and he

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wants nothing to do with anybody.
He doesn't want to talk to anybody anymore.

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From what I understand, I know
he is. He says he's done

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with Jeff k R. I could
says, well, it might be too

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damn bad for you. Jeff k
may not be done with you pel Yeah,

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that's a possibility, and you know
what, some people change their minds.

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I mean, look, I'll tell
you the story of the guy who

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took the pictures in the pantry.
What was his name? You know what

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I'm talking about. In the RFK
case, Scott yard, Jamie Scott Inyard,

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Right, he told me, yeah, no, no, no,

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not the patrolman. The kid who
was in high school still, who was

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there with a camera and was in
the pantry at the time of the shooting

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and jumped up on the on the
table and was taking pictures, and then

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the LAPD confiscated his pictures. You
know what I'm talking about now, yeah,

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yeah, okay, So he said
pictures. He was picturing that patrolman

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that took the bunks of polaroids.
Right, No, no, no,

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I'm talking about the kid with the
camera who was actually, you know,

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still in high school at the time. He's since gone on to be a

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professional photographer, etc. But in
twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen, he said

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to me, look, I've got
a long term illness. I don't want

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to talk publicly anymore at all about
the case. Nothing. You know,

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what the lawsuits done, what it's
done. I'm done. And I said

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okay, And I never bothered him
again. And the next thing I know

407
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is Don Jeffries is interviewing him.
So, you know a few years later,

408
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.559
so I called him up and I
said, you know, mister Enritt,

409
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.119
you might not remember me, and
oh yeah, I remember you.

410
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:05.319
Okay, you remember me. Well, you told me you no longer wanted

411
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.200
to be bothered about this, and
now you're talking to Don Jefferies. Is

412
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.319
it just done or are you willing
to talk again? What's going on?

413
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.359
And he just basically was like,
well, I kind of changed my mind.

414
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:16.319
I want to go back out,
and you know, I've gotten better.

415
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.680
I thought I wasn't going to get
better. I thought I was dying,

416
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.160
and it turns out I'm not.
So you know, I've changed my

417
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.599
mind in these past couple of years. So a few years later he changes

418
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:32.160
his mind, and people do this. I thought that the guy who gave

419
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.440
Oswald to ride to work was done
talking, and then, you know,

420
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.599
and then he comes out with a
book, right Buill Wesley Frasier, And

421
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.519
you know, people have had serious
problems with that book ever after. I

422
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:50.640
mean, you know, but whatever. What gets me about Duel was his

423
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.759
late pronouncement that he saw Oswald walking
away from the building on the back side.

424
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.880
I kind of, oh, well, then when he came out with

425
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.799
that, and I'm thinking, that's
first I've heard in the past thirty years.

426
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.880
What the hell's going on? Yes
see now and what's really funny about

427
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:10.160
Buele is if you go back to
thirty five years ago when he's at that

428
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:15.960
Bougliosi mock trial. Right, he's
making some odd statements on the witness stand

429
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:22.640
on that mock trial that he never
made before, and you know the whole

430
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.279
thing about, Yeah, Oswald's in
the doorway, but it's not him in

431
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.440
that picture. He's further back in
the shadows. According to Bule Wesley Fraser

432
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.160
when he was doing that mock trial
thing with Bogliosi. If you listen carefully,

433
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.079
he says, yeah, I'm in
the doorway there. You can't see

434
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.640
me in the shadow. And who's
behind you, mister Fraser Lee Harvey Oswald.

435
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.279
So you know, thirty five years
ago, Oswald's behind him at the

436
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:52.039
time of the shots. Right after
the shots, he sees him out on

437
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:57.559
the street. According to recent statements, we're missing something in between, aren't

438
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.839
we. When did Oswald cross in
front of him and go out to the

439
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.240
street or did he go back out
another door and end up on the street.

440
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.920
That was Ougliosi's trial that he said
that that he was behind him.

441
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:14.239
Yes, I got to go look
at that. Yeah, take a look

442
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.920
at his I know his it was
in the first part of his testimony or

443
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.960
towards the end. I don't remember
which part, honestly, but I do

444
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:25.800
believe it was. Spence actually redirected
him on this, like who's who's in

445
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.880
that doorway, because Spence was trying
to get him to say that Oswald was

446
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.119
the you know, love lady figure, and He's like, no, no,

447
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.280
no, that's not him. But
but I'm in that picture a little

448
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:43.280
further back, but you can't see
me. Oh okay, and is there

449
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.559
anybody behind you? Yeah, Lee
Rvy. Oswald's behind him and it's just

450
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.000
like an off handed thing and nobody
follows up, and I go, what

451
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.440
the hell? Okay, I'll have
to go watch that again. Yeah,

452
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:57.480
yeah, take take a look Atison
for the weekend, because I mean,

453
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.920
I have the DVD here, but
I know it's available on you YouTube of

454
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:07.480
Frasier's clips, so you can find
it publicly, no problem. Oh yeah,

455
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.760
definitely it's on YouTube because I remember
watching them before. But yeah,

456
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:14.320
I'm definitely going to go look at
that it again. Yeah, so you

457
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:21.000
know, look, people's views,
memories ideas about what they saw and didn't

458
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:25.440
see have evolved over the years.
And in some cases it's just memory evolving,

459
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.159
because at all times your memory is
subject to revision. It just is.

460
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.039
Okay, people argue with me all
the time. No, you remember

461
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:37.360
things, and that's the way it
is. Now. You get a little

462
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:40.679
new information, all of a sudden, you fill in a blank and you

463
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.559
don't recall when you filled in that
blank. I'm telling you. You can

464
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.000
see it when people make solid accounts. Oral histories are great for this because

465
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.039
you'll see a change in oral history
after a couple of years. And you

466
00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:00.519
know, in some cases it's really
insane, like in Custer Gerald Custer case.

467
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.280
You know, I believe that Custer
believed what he was saying whenever he

468
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.079
was saying it. But if you
line up his statements, you know,

469
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:14.199
once he started talking to David Lifton
and everybody else, oh boy, did

470
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:15.800
things vary. And then he says, you know, oh, I had

471
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:19.960
extra copies. This is how I
made him. I put them under the

472
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.840
sign at the Naval hospital. I
mean, all kinds of additions and revisions

473
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.280
to Custer. And I don't think
he was just making stuff up, but

474
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:32.400
he was getting new information and adding
to it. Also, he's the only

475
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:37.079
guy to walk into the ARRB interview
with like, you know, two conspiracy

476
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.840
books under his arm, which is
pretty funny, but he was, you

477
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.920
know, clearly being contaminated. And
that's the thing. Sometimes interviewing these people,

478
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:52.960
you give them information and unknowingly they'll
add it to their own ideas.

479
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.519
Even if they're resistant to adding to
their own ideas, sometimes they will add

480
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.880
to it. And you know,
this is the disservice that's been done with

481
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:07.559
the repeated interviews to some people.
Others have stayed steadfast to their stories exactly

482
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.519
the same, you know, over
the years, and you can you can

483
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.800
watch that too. You watch somebody
being interviewed in the eighties and nineties,

484
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.559
the two thousands, and then this
year, and you'll see, you know,

485
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:22.960
some things change. Eventually they want
to say something, but I will

486
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:30.000
say, I don't believe everything except
Bruce Paine tells the exact stories she's been

487
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:37.639
telling for sixty point five years,
to the even to the point that she

488
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:43.159
knows they're cute to cry, Yes, Chris sick. Some people would say

489
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.159
that, you know, eight actors
do their part. Will you know that's

490
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:52.239
that's true. I mean, look, I always used to love listening to

491
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.840
There was a certain time period with
the Judy Baker interviews when she would start

492
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:00.280
crying and like the one part that
always cracked me up up and she would

493
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:06.760
always start crying about her last conversations
with Oswald, you know from the supposed

494
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:13.920
that last phone call is so But
but I love it because a bunch of

495
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.920
times she goes and he said to
me, don't forget the name Bobby Baker.

496
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.239
Always with the same she told she
came out with a new name,

497
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:29.320
but you know, don't forget Bobby
Baker. But Bobby Baker and name somebody

498
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:34.639
else connected, such a joke.
But Bobby Baker is hilarious. That's the

499
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.039
first point I brought out to Walt
Brown in like two thousand and four when

500
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.320
I wrote that article with him is
I said, well, listen to this.

501
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.360
She's sitting there crying and going she
says, don't forget the name Bobby

502
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:51.320
Baker. Now. What she's referring
to, according to supportive listeners, hers

503
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.519
is the fact that Bobby Baker is
you know, lbj's bag man. Right.

504
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:01.960
Problem though, what was her husband's
for his name, Robert, So

505
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.000
Robert Baker. Bobby Baker really shouldn't
be a hard name for her to have

506
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.559
to remember, and it would be
a weird thing for Oswald to say,

507
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.519
don't forget the name Bobby Baker if
he knows she's married, Oh, absolutely

508
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.639
to Bobby, you know, and
it's she always has. She's been such

509
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.400
a well you ever noticed when she
goes to name draw Yep, it's always

510
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:30.239
in a super dramatic fashion. Well, is that either she's gonna tear up

511
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.440
over it or it's gonna be one
of Oswalt's You know, he made this

512
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:38.000
statement and had I known the significance
of it at the time. This kind

513
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:44.920
of crap. Uncle will give out
awards this year, Dallas, I love

514
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:50.039
it, Uncle Actor? What is
it? Uncle Trampa contactor, Uncle Uncle

515
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.599
Marcello, Uh, don't forget Uncle
Marcelo or Uncle Trumpacante will keep an eye

516
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:59.719
on you. Yeah, the mob
guys are going to keep track of her

517
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.920
and the backwards on DM. You
know he was all behind that Uncle DM

518
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:09.639
stuff. Oh yeah, I mean, come on, how serious am I

519
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.360
supposed to take her? You know? Anyway? If you but if you

520
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:16.880
look at the way she weaves it, though, she you have to give

521
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.280
her credit for creative writing. I
will give her credit for that. No,

522
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.960
it's great fan forget that this is
how all this stuff started. But

523
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.360
it's her talking with her creative writing
teacher in college. Right, it's great

524
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.559
fan fiction. Look, this is
what they call fan fiction, right,

525
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.280
where you're a fan of something.
You're a fan of a story. Usually

526
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.159
it's a fictional story, and you're
a fan of it, and then you

527
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:44.599
write the continuation of the story,
right, or you write you know,

528
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.639
but no, this is this is
Lee Harvey Oswald. Fan fiction is what

529
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.119
it is. If she came out
and said that, I would tip my

530
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.159
hat to her and say, you
know what, you have generated a whole

531
00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.960
wide world of fantasy that is interesting. You can't do it, man.

532
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.360
It cuts off the No. The
minute she does that, you know,

533
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.760
she cuts off money flow. She's
not about You won't hear even on a

534
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:15.280
dying deathbed confession. You'll never hear
her admit if this is all full craft.

535
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.320
No, it would be so great, though, because you know what,

536
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.000
she could make a seriously good living. I think giving a master class

537
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.639
on bullshit, I mean that would
be it. It's like take the master

538
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.159
class of acting with you know,
de Niro, and a master class in

539
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:38.960
bs with Judith very Baker. It's
not. But it's not that she did

540
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.079
such a good job with the BS. It's that she convinced a few integral

541
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:52.840
people that she nailed it with the
BS, and those people are the ones

542
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.519
that put her up her Her actual
words have never stood up the scrutiny,

543
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.840
But it's just the fact that she
had Martin what's his name and all of

544
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:08.199
them supporting her at the beginning,
and then she hooked on the Fetchers coattails

545
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:13.719
and that's all it took was enough
to establish her that she could say anything

546
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.519
and make a buck off of Shackelford
and those Yeah, those guys. Yeah,

547
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:22.599
I couldn't think the others. But
it's it's hilarious, I'll tell you.

548
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:24.760
And I've gotten to now talk to
a couple of people who went and

549
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.840
did her conferences and off air,
you know. So I'm not going to

550
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.760
identify who it was because I don't
have a recording, but it is so

551
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.159
funny because it's like, how why
did you do a conference with this woman?

552
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.079
You know? Why did you do
her conference? And at the end

553
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.440
of it, you know what it
came down to with a lot of them,

554
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:52.800
they didn't invite me elsewhere. They
invited me there I went. I'm

555
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:58.400
like, so what you're telling me
is that you would go to the you

556
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.440
know the most, you go to
the whatever. It doesn't matter because you

557
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:08.480
were invited, so because you got
some acknowledgement, this was worth you throwing

558
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:15.480
your name, your reputation in with
hers. Really, nobody's got an answer

559
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.280
for that. But you know,
we'll see. But that's just cic.

560
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.960
I don't think people have attributed her
reputation to any of these people. These

561
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:29.519
people, you know, their reputation
was established law before Judith and well except

562
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:35.239
for those that kind of watched all
with Judith, like Haslam and others,

563
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:40.440
but it was I don't understand it. They don't think it tarnishes them at

564
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:45.679
all. And to be honest,
I can't see where these people the esteem

565
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.960
that they're held in, you know, indicates that being associated with her has

566
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.239
been detrimental. That's the part I
don't understand. I don't eat you.

567
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.360
That's crazy. I don't either.
I mean, I wish I could figure

568
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:01.280
it out, but anyway, look, I don't want to. I don't

569
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.599
want to dwell on this too long
question for Jimmy. Though you got a

570
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:10.000
question for Jimmy He made a comment
that the guy at ABC eleven, now,

571
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.239
Jimmy, ABC eleven is here in
North Carolina. It's in Durham,

572
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:22.440
I believe maybe Raleigh. Anyway,
what is it about ABC eleven and do

573
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.320
we need to take any kind of
action here? What is it that we're

574
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.760
what's got your chafed? The big
boy? Yeah? I want to look

575
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:37.320
this up to ABC eleven. Huh
call the other day their topic was there

576
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:45.079
a research? So called research?
Germany's top was hopper JFK water date and

577
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:52.599
Iran counter right, let me parameter? Is this the North Carolina ABC eleven?

578
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.400
I have no idea because there's a
Raleigh f K. Yeah, there's

579
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:05.239
a Raleigh, Durham AYBC eleven.
So I was just curious if that was

580
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:20.679
its name? Was Dale something?
Dale? So okay, yeah that's a

581
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.599
sir. If you don't know last
name or was that light last name?

582
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:30.440
I just remember Dale, and I
remember that it just came out a few

583
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:38.320
days ago, so it should be
pretty much tough with their feet. I'm

584
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:43.079
not getting anything coming off. Let's
see, well see I've got ABC eleven

585
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.760
John F. Kennedy. A new
name emerges in JFK assassination investigation at a

586
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.360
North Texas thrift store, a CD
and a new fifty nine year old JFK

587
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.440
mystery. Uh is it is it
that one? Yeah? I was back

588
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:04.719
July last year said this, but
I did read that one. Okay,

589
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.079
Well, I was just curious there
new name emergence. They got this new

590
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:15.000
name emergence thing, Paul. They
just say it's that stupid Cuban general.

591
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:21.559
In two and last year they had
something Ladybirds diaries or whatever, and blah

592
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.599
blah blah. I mean, you
know, I don't know. I I

593
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:27.440
would love to see you sent me
the articles or whatever. Jimmy. I'd

594
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.599
like to track this down and see
if they really did steal something straight up

595
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:36.320
from my show, because that would
be funny and I'd like to hear what

596
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.199
I'll do. It would be still
in my history, bros. So then

597
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.519
I'll find it and then I'll post
that in chat. Yeah, post that

598
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.360
in chat because I love to see
what it is. Any Anyway, anything

599
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:47.840
else you want to ask to or
should we take a break here because where

600
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:54.280
a would he kind of deep in
well thinking of you know that they may

601
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.719
have heard this stuff here. I
do want to make a point, you

602
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.599
know, the other week, I
made a comment it, oh what's her

603
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:07.320
name? On MSN you've seen joy
read that she had culturally misappropriated Donald Trump's

604
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.880
hair. Well, I noticed days
after that she got her hair cut.

605
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.119
It's still blonde, but it's like
not even a sixty fourth of an inch

606
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:20.400
on top of her head. So
you know, just point that out.

607
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:25.960
Maybe we know people are listening to
us for the cultural and esthetic points that

608
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.159
we bring out BP making a cultural
impact and also a secret fan of the

609
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.079
readout. Huh, because you're watching
her, I mean, you know what

610
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.800
her hair dow was. I have
no idea. No, I see her

611
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.840
on YouTube clips. I wn't watch
that crazy bitch. I want to waste

612
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.800
my time. Okay, see,
okay, so you watch her on YouTube,

613
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:55.639
all right, that's cool. You
know a male dude else, Yes,

614
00:47:55.719 --> 00:48:02.039
it turns out to tell Oh it's
a Los Angeles okay, Los Angeles

615
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.440
ABC eleven. All right, that's
all that's different. I'm gonna say I

616
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.320
could understand it coming from here,
because these people in this state can be

617
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.960
absolutely clueless. Remember there was a
girl on the on the local station.

618
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.639
She went onto NBC News and then
I think went onto the Weather Channel.

619
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.360
But She was the one that was
caught after one of these hurricanes sitting in

620
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:30.119
the canoe. Oh, the flooding
here is terrible. We're here downtown Washington,

621
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.599
blah blah blah, and you know
they've got storm seerge that came in.

622
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.280
Sitting in the canoe, beautiful water. And while she's doing the live

623
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:43.239
shot, two guys were walking through
the water behind her, the waters just

624
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:51.639
above their ankles. That's hilarious.
Didn't somebody get busted. Didn't somebody get

625
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.039
busted doing something like that from a
resort or something one time where they were

626
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:58.360
supposed to be at flooding and they
were like, it's some resort and some

627
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:00.400
guy walks by with like one of
those the island drinks in his hand.

628
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:10.119
Didn't that happen on one of those
news stuck down and c was pretending to

629
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:16.360
be an ir well liars, that's
all right. Brian Williams said that they

630
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:22.760
shot at him in a helicopter to
right the NBC guy right. Then,

631
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.400
somebody did a good one. They
drew the presidential limo from sixty three and

632
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:34.840
they had Brian Williams sitting in the
back seat between Jackie Nice. That's hilarious.

633
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:38.199
Anyways, Yeah, I'm thinking we
should take a quick break and uh

634
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:42.039
and then come back around and see
if anybody else wants to call it.

635
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:45.480
So, Jimmy, I'm gonna put
you on hold and uh, you know,

636
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:49.199
we'll get to some more stuff.
Maybe maybe we can find out about

637
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:54.079
this, uh ABC eleven taking a
listen to the show and stealing their material

638
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:00.519
from Jimmy James getting their alleged research
material from from us, not their researcher.

639
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:06.079
Huh. Okay, who got that
paycheck? You know? I see

640
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.360
he's still looking for the link too. Okay, well, Jimmy might be

641
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.519
short a paycheck here, man,
he might be able to paycheck, is

642
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.639
all I'm saying. I tell what
I'm saying. If we need to start

643
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.840
a vocal campaign to take up for, you know, our man with a

644
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.320
fan, which bring we need an
update on that situation. Is it's still

645
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:24.960
a man with a fan? You
know? I have a fan in search

646
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:28.760
of the man. I haven't heard
from that guy, and I gotta go

647
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.719
on Facebook to find out. But
look, we're going to take a quick

648
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.360
break and come back around and see
what else we can learn. Three one

649
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.960
nine five two seven five zero one
six. That's three one nine five two

650
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:45.480
seven five zero one six. The
O'Kelly effect open mic Friday Night will return,

651
00:50:45.559 --> 00:51:27.239
hopefully with you calling in to us
after this. Go ahead, call

652
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.880
it the truth about the Day pay
Assassination? Right, well, what do

653
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.880
you want to know? Baker's wild
claim Oswall girlfriends you knew? Ruby and

654
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.719
Barry hanswer weapons? Really? I
imagine I could claim I have four wheels.

655
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.239
It doesn't make me a wagon,
but okay, on the building and

656
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.840
I'm trying to prevent the murder of
John Kennedy. Come on, now,

657
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has it real effort on the Day
of pay Assassination inlaim Go to Amazon dot

658
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com enter Judith Baker in her own
words. You'll get the results for a

659
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digital copy of a book where Walt
Brown utilizes her own words and the known

660
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evidence the case to get at well
a different perspective. Let's say you can

661
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.440
get Judith Ary Baker in her own
words from the author himself, signed if

662
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you request it by contacting doctor Brown
at kias jfk at aol dot com.

663
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It's a fun book and it actually
dissects the many, many fantastic claims Judith

664
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:32.360
Vary Baker in her own words In
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665
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Tanks by Larry Hancock. Secret wars
became a staple of US covert operations and

666
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are still happening today. Larry Hancock's
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667
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of them, using new files.
It exposes things about the Bay of Pigs

668
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that no one has ever written about
before. It shows why it really failed

669
00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:57.039
and why the United States did not
earn from it. It also shows why

670
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other countries today are doing secret operations
with more success. This is the book

671
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that puts what some want to deny
into the light. In Denial, Secret

672
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Wars with air Strikes and Tanks Larryhancock. For more information go to Larry hyphen

673
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Handcock dot com. Pick up your
copy of In Denial at Amazon dot com

674
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in digital or physical. This is
James Corbin at COORBA Report dot com.

675
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.119
And you're listening to the Ocelli affected
Olly dot com. Cool. Do you

676
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:30.239
remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said
that an Asian secret society was going to

677
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.519
dispatch ninja's to take down the Illuminati? Oh that's interesting, yeah in the

678
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.719
colatoon? Yeah? Did that ever
work out too good? No? It

679
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.719
didn't did it? But here on
o'celly dot com Radio network, things work

680
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.920
out a bit better, don't they
much better? Much me is clear in

681
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understanding about the programs, the programs
much clear getting live people into it.

682
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They really have a good come station
going much better. Such a better scene.

683
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.440
I say, forget Benjamin Fulford and
his ninches and listen to the o'chelly

684
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dot com Radio Network. I agree, it's straight to the point, straight

685
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.239
talk, and I like that idea. Oh, Chelley dot com, go

686
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.159
ahead, call it the truth about
the JAFA assassination. Right, Well,

687
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.880
what do you want to know?
Dy Baker's wild claim oswalal girlfriends he knew

688
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.480
Ruby and Barry answer weapons? Really, I imagine I could claim I have

689
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.920
four wheels. It doesn't make me
a wagon. But okay, Oswald was

690
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:32.039
on the building and trying to prevent
the murder of John Kennedy. Come on

691
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:37.880
now has a real effort on the
DAFA assassination. Go to Amazon dot com

692
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enter Judith Baker in her own words. You'll get the results for a digital

693
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:47.440
copy of a book where Walt Brown
utilizes her own words and the known evidence

694
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:52.239
in the case to get at well
a different perspective. Let's say you can

695
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:57.920
get Judith Barry Baker in her own
words from the author himself, signed if

696
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:04.320
you request it by contacting Doctor around
a kias JFK at aol dot com.

697
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:08.280
It's a fun book and it actually
dissects the many, many fantastic claims.

698
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Judith Vary Baker in her own words, Thank you, going to Chuck o'jelly.

699
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In Denial Secret Wars with air Strikes
and Tanks by Larry Hancock. Secret

700
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wars became a staple of US covert
operations and are still happening today. Larry

701
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:37.679
Hancock's book In Denial rips the cover
off many of them, using new files.

702
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:42.079
It exposes things about the Bay of
Pigs that no one has ever written

703
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.480
about before. It shows why it
really failed and why the United States did

704
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:51.039
not learn from it. It also
shows why other countries today are doing secret

705
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:54.639
operations with more success. This is
the book that puts what some want to

706
00:55:54.760 --> 00:56:00.480
deny into the light. In Denial, Secret Wars with air Strikes and Tanks

707
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:07.719
Larry Hancock. For more information,
go to Larry hyphen Handcock dot com.

708
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.679
Pick up your copy of In Denial
at Amazon dot com in digital or physical

709
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form the US expressed my callers schools, There anyone else allow him to get

710
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on the air or Jelly dot com. You're not necessarily reflected he US,

711
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.960
Jelly dot com or jumbo Jelly,
and we are not responsible for any stupidity

712
00:56:21.960 --> 00:57:39.840
which might have students. Thank you. The views expressed like callers schools,

713
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There anyone else allowed us to get
on the air of Jelly dot com not

714
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necessarily reflecting he views of Lly dot
com or un chilly, and we are

715
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not responsible. We're any stupidity which
might instudent nuclear holocaust. You know what

716
00:57:51.159 --> 00:59:39.559
uranium is? Right? Think at
a song systems. Get ready, Get

717
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:50.320
ready for the second segment of the
Friday Night open Mic. And we are

718
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:54.119
live here on a frisday. It's
just after nine pm Eastern, about a

719
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.719
minute past the hour. If you're
hearing us live, if you're hearing the

720
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.320
podcast, you need a time machine
to call in, but otherwise you can

721
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.559
join us three one nine five two
seven five zero one six three one nine

722
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:12.039
five two seven five zero one six. I did receive a message on Skype

723
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.599
from Aaron letting me know that he'll
definitely be here at ten, but other

724
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:19.360
than that, no messages on Skype. I could call you into the show

725
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.199
if you send me a message Charles
dot o'ceelly on Skype, but otherwise use

726
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.639
the phone be heard all you want, whatever you want to talk about.

727
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:30.239
Three one nine five two seven five
zero one six And B Pete might have

728
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:35.599
some headlines to run by us before
we go back to the phone. So

729
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:40.480
B Pete, what you got.
Well, we're just running down the list

730
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:44.320
of stuff that happened, and a
lot of us political I'll trying to stay

731
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:47.239
away from that. But one story
I read here, I'm trying to find

732
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:52.920
the link. I can't find it. Elon Musk with X or formally the

733
01:00:52.960 --> 01:01:00.440
platform formally known of Twitter. Yeah, got hit with uh apparently a letter

734
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:07.840
or notice from the EU that X
was in violation of their DSA Act.

735
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:12.679
And it simply came out of a
situation where they contacted platforms and said,

736
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:16.239
hey, if you do censor this
stuff, we're going to find you for

737
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:22.719
being in violation of the DSA and
all the other platforms kind of knuckled under,

738
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.920
and Musk is saying, note,
apparently he's been charged with violating their

739
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:35.800
rules and he is impeding data from
researchers. Etc. Etc. And I'm

740
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.079
trying to think, Okay, well, you know what's the deal. Apparently

741
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:40.280
the EU, you know, they've
been trying to get rid of Twitter and

742
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.320
push them out for a long time
because of supposedly violations. But Twitter says

743
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:49.639
or Elon Muscus's going to fight this
one, So apparently they're going to go

744
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:54.760
to court over it. Also,
another little note on Elon Musk. Apparently

745
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:00.719
there was a five hundred million dollar
lawsuit against him when he ask laid off

746
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.599
all the people once you took over. Well, and that wall suit just

747
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.559
got tossed, so must one on
that one? Yeah, what else is

748
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:10.960
old? Hey, listen, I
got a clip for you, and I

749
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:16.880
want people to listen carefully at you
know, to the President of the United

750
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:22.320
States, if you don't mind,
because I think people missed this. I

751
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.000
don't know, maybe I don't see
a lot of articles being written about it.

752
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:30.880
But I heard this statement and I
thought it was quite remarkable about who

753
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.760
the vice president actually is. But
let's listen to a question and answer from

754
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:44.679
July eleventh. According to the clip
that was sent to me, mister president,

755
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.239
your political future has hung over the
NATO summit a little bit this week

756
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.559
Speaker Pelosi made a point of suggesting
that your decision on whether to stand the

757
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:58.079
race was still open. George Clooney
and a hand for a handful of lawmakers

758
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.760
have called on you to step aside. Reuters is reporting tonight the UAW leadership

759
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:06.800
is concerned about your ability to win. J A. W and just endorsebe

760
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.239
but go ahead, thank you.
My question for you is, how are

761
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:19.320
you incorporating these developments into your decision
to stay? And separately, what concerns

762
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:23.280
do you have about Vice President Harris's
ability to beat Donald Trump if she were

763
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:28.840
at the top of the ticket.
Look, I wouldn't have picked Vice President

764
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.960
Trump to be vice president. I
think she was not qualified to be president.

765
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:40.480
Let's start there, Yeah, let's
start there. Anybody gets that?

766
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:45.719
Okay, sorry, b PTE.
I did interject one piece of politic in

767
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:50.239
here, but let's continue on.
What else you got? Well, you

768
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:54.840
know, and that I don't know. That whole thing was nothing, but

769
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:59.360
uh, as someone described it,
I think it was Beth failed as an

770
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.679
audition for the Hollywood types that are
getting ready to slam their checkbook shut.

771
01:04:03.199 --> 01:04:08.800
You know, that was a make
or break presser. Supposedly everybody was watching

772
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.440
so they could see if he was
going to screw up. Well is Joe

773
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.719
Biden. You know he's going to
screw up. So I don't know what

774
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.280
bar they wanted him to pass to
see if his mental acuity is enough to

775
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:24.760
continue on, because we've been we've
been arguing this for what three years now

776
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:28.840
about his mental condition. I mean, that's basically why the hell they hit

777
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.480
him during the campaign. You know, they blamed on COVID, but they

778
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:35.159
didn't want him out there letting people
know exactly how far gone he was and

779
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:40.920
every this is just another one of
those Harvey Weinstein elitists saying that they're so

780
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.840
surprised when they've known all along what's
been going on. So you know,

781
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.320
they were trying to catch him on
that. Yeah, it was a flood.

782
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.239
It could be easily, you know
how he is. He's got Trump

783
01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:57.400
on the mind, just like calling
just like calling Zelenski Plutin, you know,

784
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.480
I mean, that's the way his
mind works. So that's what we're

785
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.599
dealing with. That's our president.
We get what we elect there you go.

786
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.719
So just just want to point it
out that you know, again he's

787
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:10.320
standing there as strong as he buy. You could see the effort. You

788
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.480
could see him grit his teeth when
they mentioned George Clooney and lawmakers are making

789
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.360
statements. I like that too,
But anyway, let's continue on away from

790
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:25.559
the politics. What else you got, BP? Well, this is you

791
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.840
know, this is an offshoot of
the new twenty dollars minimum wage for fast

792
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.239
food workers in California. Wendy's,
Jersey Mics, a couple other stores that

793
01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:39.079
I've heard of. They're slashing jobs
and cutting hours to cut down on the

794
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.119
cost. I mean, this is
one of those everybody said, you know

795
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:46.119
this was going to happen. But
in of course, to somehow think that

796
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:50.159
you know jobs that you know.
You you enter the market learning how to

797
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:56.920
work. Your first job is worth
twenty bucks an hour to try to perform

798
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:01.039
some kind of living laid Sacramento people
on the left, this is the result.

799
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:05.079
You pull this crap and people lose
jobs. And I don't know why

800
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:10.239
Democrats are so slow to comprehend that. I just don't get it. Jersey

801
01:06:10.280 --> 01:06:13.159
Mike subs at the price they're at
though. I got to tell you,

802
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:16.320
be Pete, I don't see why
they can't pay people twenty dollars an hour.

803
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.519
I mean if I want to go
get a sub for each of the

804
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.280
three people in my house, what
do you think the cost is to go

805
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.920
pick up subs? Not have them
delivered either, just pick them up from

806
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.960
Jersey Mikes. I mean in Georgia, of all places, how much do

807
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:35.519
you think it runs me to do
that? What's a foot long? Foot

808
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:40.800
long? And subway now is what
most of them are? Like between eight

809
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:44.880
and ten bucks. Yeah, but
that's subway sandwich. That's not Jersey Mike's.

810
01:06:44.920 --> 01:06:46.880
Okay, subway is not as good
as Jersey Mike's. We know this,

811
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:53.000
But seriously, how much do you
think it costs if I want to

812
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:57.280
go do that? I have no
idea. I don't have three people in

813
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.239
my family. I've got no I
know what an individual cost. And I'm

814
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.360
spending what I used to spend five
bucks on for lunch, I'm now spending

815
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:08.519
nine to ten bucks on. So
I mean everything's double So a foot long,

816
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:11.800
Oh, you're probably what fourteen bucks
a piece? I have no idea

817
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:14.800
what it is in Georgia. Yeah. Well, see, we need about

818
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:19.719
seventy dollars to go to Jersey MIC's
and each have a large sub, you

819
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:24.519
know, which is basically a foot
long or a full sub whole sub they

820
01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:28.679
used to call it whatever, what
subway would describe as a foot long.

821
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.320
Yeah, you need about seventy dollars
to feed three people at subway, and

822
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:38.360
that's not chipping. I'm not surprised
at Paul. I mean, I'm you'd

823
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.360
be surprised how many guys I see
on the damn job site now that are

824
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.639
packing a lunch. Yeah, because
used to it was nothing to run down,

825
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.760
hit and drive through and for seven
bucks you had a decent lunch.

826
01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:53.199
Yep. Now you're looking at fifteen
dollars. The store just down the road

827
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:57.679
here the highway fifty five. I
get a hamburger, fries or cheeseburger,

828
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.000
fries and a drink. Used to
cost you it eight almost nine bucks all

829
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:03.960
day, but it was a big
burger, it was worth it. Now

830
01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:09.440
I go in there seventeen dollars before
I could even apply a tip. It's

831
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:13.840
double. It's a twenty dollars trip
now, as opposed to know a less

832
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.920
than ten dollar trip. So but
my point is that Jersey Mike's the prices

833
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:21.119
they charge for their food. In
other states they charge more. I'm saying

834
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:25.479
to myself, why can't they pay
somebody twenty dollars an hour, you know

835
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.520
what I mean, because what's something
to make that sandwich in their overhead?

836
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.840
You got to realize everything, and
that stores up products up, your electrics

837
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:38.119
up, your water's up, your
sewer's up. It's getting We're going through

838
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:42.880
a fight now with our town council. They want to jack our water rates

839
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.479
another thirteen percent this year, just
like they did last year. And of

840
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.239
course when they do that, the
sewer rates go up. And it's because

841
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:55.760
we're such a driving metropolis that the
only revenue being generated by the town basically

842
01:08:56.600 --> 01:09:00.840
is through water and sewer sales.
So they get some auditor to come in

843
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:02.720
and say, you need to have
a slush fund of eighty six thousand dollars

844
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:05.840
on hand, so you need to
jack your rates. What happens our rates

845
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:11.079
get jacked, I mean, so
it's going up on everything I can.

846
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:14.720
There's no way they can afford to
pay somebody twenty bucks an hour for what

847
01:09:14.840 --> 01:09:17.880
is costing them an overhead. Now, yeah, but see again, possible

848
01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.840
again though, if you have those
prices going up, here's where this is

849
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:26.560
gonna whip back around and cause the
problem the people that they want to be

850
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.640
able to buy these subs. Can't
afford these subs now, And just like

851
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:33.600
the McDonald's, you got people not
being able to afford McDonald's. Your base

852
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:40.159
group of people that you were having
come in as regular customers are gonna be

853
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.800
priced out. And exactly, it
doesn't matter if you go to twenty dollars

854
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.880
because we still got eight dollars an
hour McDonald's workers over here, and they're

855
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:51.840
jacking up those prices the same way
if you cut out, if you cut

856
01:09:51.880 --> 01:09:55.760
out those people that are gonna come
and buy something at a price point of

857
01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:00.039
seven bucks because it's now twelve to
fourteen bucks. When you cut them out,

858
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.720
you've just cut out the need to
have a bunch of workers. You

859
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:09.640
can't pay them twenty dollars an hour
you could afford to make money as a

860
01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:14.960
franchise owner like here, I think
the minimum wage is what seven to fifteen

861
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:18.039
hour, So you start these people
out. Most restaurants around here are paying

862
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:24.039
their people ten to fourteen unless you're
you know, in management or assistant manager,

863
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.079
tend to fourteen dollars an hour to
work in a fast food joint.

864
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:31.840
Twenty is the break point. Although
they're raising the costs of their products.

865
01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:38.199
There's not enough buffer in there to
absorb the extra pay per hour, and

866
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:43.520
they just can't do it. They
can't, they can't make overhead. At

867
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.920
some point, an equilibrium has to
be reached, is all I'm trying to

868
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:49.479
get at is at some point in
equilibrium has to be reached. Either you

869
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:54.359
price out people and because they don't
have the ability to make the money.

870
01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.279
How many hours do you got to
work to be able to buy your happy

871
01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:01.640
meal? You know what I'm saying
so exactly. You know, here,

872
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:06.640
here we go, here's the problem. Look at my job site. You

873
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.880
know, on any given day,
we've got two hundred guys on the site.

874
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:15.960
Well, those guys are looking for
lunch. By ninety five, you've

875
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.920
got twelve exits nothing but fast food. That's where they go. They've stopped

876
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:25.439
doing that because they just can't afford
it. Right, These guys have families

877
01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:28.760
trying to feed. You know,
you can't afford twenty bucks a shot now

878
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:31.560
for lunch. No, and they're
not getting paid minimum waeds. That's my

879
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:34.840
point. So what happens to the
minimum wage worker? He's not getting takeout

880
01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:40.760
food anymore. He can't afford it. So you know this is the way

881
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:44.880
it's gonna go. Anyways, what
else you got some more? Should we

882
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.800
go back to the phones? What
do you think we go to the phones

883
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.520
and ask them what they think about
a twenty dollars hour? I mean,

884
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:54.520
well, hell, Dale's out there
in California, isn't he tell? Yeah?

885
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:58.479
Chris, right, Danny is in. Danny out in California. Danny,

886
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.800
Yeah, Danny Sorry, yeah,
California. Right, you're there.

887
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:08.760
So what's going on with the fast
food? Yeah? Well, I'll just

888
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:13.600
I'll give you a little bit of
background in my profession. I started nineteen

889
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.920
eighty six. I started driving for
Burger Tine. I worked for them for

890
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:20.279
six and a half years, and
since nineteen ninety three, I've worked for

891
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:28.880
a little known company that does the
distribution to McDonald's in Chipotle. The all

892
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:32.760
the McDonald's in Chipotle have signs we
are hiring, and I looked at the

893
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:36.960
deer of labor statistics. Unless they're
lying, they said they've added jobs.

894
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:44.199
Now, there have been a few
isolated cases. I know of one McDonald's

895
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:49.560
out of hundreds maybe thousands in California. They closed, but the main reason

896
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:59.079
was due to the location and the
price of the lease. There. There

897
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:02.680
has been debate on it. They
have been raising the price on the menu

898
01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:08.000
for years. They've been anticipating this, and when I see it, when

899
01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:13.119
I finally see the franchise or actually
cooking and flipping the burgers, I will

900
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:18.079
kind of believe that they can't afford
to operate. Yeah, well see,

901
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:21.720
there you go. That's one thing
that happens at those dunkin Donuts locations in

902
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:28.520
the Northeast is a lot of times
you see the owner they're working. Well,

903
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.720
if it's a franchise, he's got
a couple of locations that they here

904
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:34.560
in this one, he might be
at the other one. But that's in

905
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:39.079
fact this story here they reference one
of the owners and he says, I

906
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:42.880
schedule one less person and then I
come in for that time. It's still

907
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:47.319
the way he can cut costs.
You know, it's the profit margins on

908
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:51.479
franchises are getting less and less,
mainly because of what the franchises are charging

909
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:57.399
for the franchises. You know,
what the franchise or is selling to the

910
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:01.439
franchise e is getting tougher time.
When you start throwing twenty dollars minimum wages

911
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:05.199
on people, it adds up.
I mean, look what happened? What

912
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:11.039
city was it that said there was
a minimum for Uber and doordass drivers and

913
01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:15.960
a minute that they announced it,
the s started letting drivers go. Is

914
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:20.119
that in Minneapolis or somewhere? I
don't know. I forget where that story

915
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.880
was out of I know what you're
talking about, but I don't remember where

916
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:30.800
that was. But anyway, it's
found to happen. Well anyway, it

917
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:34.359
seems as though, like I said, though this situation in California, though,

918
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:39.880
like he says, it looks like
they're adding jobs, which is odd.

919
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:44.760
They are. I'm just saying,
I'll all go all. What I'll

920
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:47.960
do, I'll take I'll take pictures
of every window of all my deliveries and

921
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.920
show you and give you the names
of the seas where we're hiring. Sure,

922
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:58.279
I'm just do it. And the
volume hasn't dropped. I mean,

923
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.760
I'll be go ahead. I was
going to say, if you get a

924
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.720
chance, ask somebody, if you
see one of the owners or something they're

925
01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:08.479
getting, just to ask him a
question, say, you know, has

926
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:14.560
this affected you? Have you because
they could be creating jobs because they're cutting

927
01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:16.840
hours for other people, so they're
gonna you know, you cut a guy

928
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:19.720
six hours, but you're going to
hire somebody to fill in for four.

929
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:27.439
Is that why we're seeing a higher
number of jobs is because they're adding positions

930
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:31.279
but cutting overall hours for people to
keep them under over time so they don't

931
01:15:31.319 --> 01:15:33.960
have to pay that time and a
half. Or you might have had two

932
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:38.600
or three people at a certain level, you know in each restaurant. Okay,

933
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:41.479
this is our overtime guy. He's
the ones that pulls the extra.

934
01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:45.119
We can't put him on salary because
we don't give him the authority to hire

935
01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.640
and fire. We're going to make
him an assistant manager. He'll be getting

936
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:51.000
ten hours overtime a week, and
you're going to limit him at that So

937
01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:56.640
to cut that out and keep that
person from getting over forty Are they adding

938
01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:00.239
positions and cutting this guy back that
you could see an increase Yeah. No,

939
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.319
No, that corporate model though,
they introduced that in the early two

940
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:09.840
thousands, because that was the thing
about like look just even ahead of Obamacare

941
01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:12.600
coming in right where people said,
oh, you know, it's because they

942
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:15.159
want to make sure to keep everybody
under forty hours because of Obamacare. No,

943
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.800
they were doing that when Bush was
in office, and it was a

944
01:16:18.880 --> 01:16:23.239
massive thing that went on where it
was like, no, no more full

945
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:28.439
time workers, bring in all part
timers and rotate these people around, and

946
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.680
you know what, they don't like
it too bad. You give them sixteen

947
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:35.640
hour work weeks and they got two
three jobs, you know, because they

948
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:41.000
can't make a living with one place. And then the Obama thing came in

949
01:16:41.079 --> 01:16:45.039
later, which was funny, but
anyway, Yeah, go ahead, Danny,

950
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.640
what Yeah, you're right, Chuck. You know, when the whole

951
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:54.840
Obamacare was there, they did cut
workers on their hours so they didn't have

952
01:16:54.880 --> 01:17:00.399
to give them healthcare. So here
was what the boomerang effect was. The

953
01:17:00.439 --> 01:17:03.079
workers got tired of getting crapped on. They said, screw it, I'd

954
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:08.439
rather not work. And now they're
begging for people to show up and work.

955
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.920
I'm just saying that they it's for
higher but I will that's a good

956
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:15.600
question, DP. If I run
into an actual franchise, and I know

957
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.479
quite a few because I've been around
the business for a long time, I'll

958
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:24.159
ask the question. Now, all
the Chipotles, they're not franchised. They're

959
01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:28.960
actually corporate to own. So I'm
not going to talk to an actual franchiser,

960
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:31.039
but I do know several of the
managers and I can talk to them

961
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.960
about the conditions and you know,
any question you want to ask. But

962
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:42.520
I do know if you want to
research Scott Roderick. He's a franchisor out

963
01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:46.279
of San Francisco area Bay Area,
which would be a very expensive place to

964
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:50.720
operate. He has been kind of
the spokesman and I've heard him on several

965
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:57.520
newscasts when the wage is changing,
he needs some very good points. He

966
01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.319
said, it shouldn't the wage is
his. It was kind of interesting as

967
01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:08.079
an operator. He was talking about
just don't raise fast food workers, what

968
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:12.399
about raise the floor on other workers? And he was kind of making the

969
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:16.079
point of just kind of a He
was more articulate than I can in put

970
01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.520
there. But I actually looked at
the beer of labor statistics and they've added

971
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:28.000
jobs. There are news outlets claiming
that there's jobs. They got this mindset

972
01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:31.720
that ten thousand jobs have been eliminated
and I don't see the data. But

973
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:36.239
when I go looking for a source
that actually shows data, they're increasing.

974
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:42.079
And I'm just saying what I'm witness
is there. Every store's got to sign

975
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:44.520
there, and it's just not even
the ones I go to. I could

976
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.840
walk in there that we're hiring.
You know, they're they're obviously in need

977
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:51.840
of these workers. But I know
for a fact they have been raising prices

978
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:58.079
for a long time, and I
do recognize the cost of women for the

979
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:03.000
bottom eighty percent of Americans, it's
tough, and I don't know the exact

980
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:06.520
answer, but it is tough.
And the volume of what it is you're

981
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.920
bringing in hasn't really changed. It's
pretty steady though. I mean it's not

982
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:19.760
like change action in actually I deliver
okay, I primarily delivered chipolice. The

983
01:19:19.880 --> 01:19:24.760
volume has not changed. I know
for a fact. I know this for

984
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:30.239
McDonald's because it's been we just had
a report there's been an eight percent drop

985
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:34.960
and change in action decline because they
have raised prices. There's been a declining

986
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:40.880
price a day percent. But what
they've done now is they have refused to

987
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:45.359
kind of offer the you know,
they used to have the dollar menu.

988
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.600
But what they have to do is
they came out with a like a five

989
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:53.880
dollars combination price to kind of bring
in that loss leader, to bring people.

990
01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:56.600
And I knew that was going to
happen, and you watch, by

991
01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:00.840
the end of the summer, probably
finally backup to normal. You know,

992
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.079
it's like we look at gas prices, we're hired here, but every time

993
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:09.760
the corner gas station, it's filled
with cars, fill the gas. I

994
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:15.000
mean, California's complex and has got
his problems. There are the basic economics

995
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.359
of supply and demand in effect here
too, right, And you know a

996
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:21.279
real basic thing here is that with
a Chipotle where you got everything corporate owned.

997
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:27.479
I know this for a fact.
They keep dog stores going because they

998
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.279
turn around and they have write off
stores where it's like, look, we're

999
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:32.960
making money, you hand over fist
over here, but we're going to keep

1000
01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:38.520
this store operating even though there's hardly
any customers, because we need to show

1001
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:43.560
some losses. They actually will build
that into their structure. Exeon used to

1002
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.520
do it. It was hilarious.
It was like, why do they keep

1003
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:48.760
this stupid gas station open that nobody
goes to? I mean they literally changed

1004
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:55.119
the roads on a couple of these
gas stations to where basically people couldn't had

1005
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:58.920
no reason to drive past it anymore, and they had hardly any customers.

1006
01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:01.039
They were going through like a tank
of gas, and I mean a full

1007
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:05.319
station's tank of gas over the course
of a week, which is like,

1008
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:12.079
you don't need a store if you're
selling a full tanker a week. And

1009
01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:16.079
they kept them because they were losers. You have to have some losing stores.

1010
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:20.239
And even when they turn around and
offer multiple locations to these franchise owners

1011
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:25.239
and they sell them off, it
was hilarious because they would sell them two

1012
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:29.319
good ones and one dog, like
all the time, you want three stores,

1013
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:32.960
no problem, here's two good ones
and one really bad one. Fix

1014
01:21:33.039 --> 01:21:41.239
that. And that's how they solved
it out to him. Yeah, I

1015
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:45.600
get it because I know in the
McDonald's, the franchises, because I've been

1016
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:48.279
there. I should have been damn
near forty years working in this industry.

1017
01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:55.479
The franchisers, they will actually move
to different locations and they make deals with

1018
01:21:55.520 --> 01:21:59.239
them, and you got to take
so many stores. And then if they're

1019
01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:03.760
really prop the corporate stores they're really
smart, they'll kind of inch out the

1020
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:10.439
franchises and they'll run them what they
call a coopko, which is their corporately

1021
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:14.640
ran yep, and they seem to
be really profitable stores. I see the

1022
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.439
franchise that did kind of the short
in the stick unless they have a lot

1023
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:21.800
of power and pool, you know, long term with the with the corporation.

1024
01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:26.960
And I'm giving some inside information here, right, But most of the

1025
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.520
time, when they start offering them, like you know, three at a

1026
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:33.159
time and this kind of thing,
to these franchisers, they always offer them

1027
01:22:33.199 --> 01:22:40.119
one that's like a loser. It's
like a guarantee that I've seen that.

1028
01:22:40.279 --> 01:22:45.119
Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah that's that's that's correct. And

1029
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:50.359
like I said, they're working there. We had it was sad. Remember

1030
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:57.880
quisins, Yeah those even exist anymore. Quick, go do a little research

1031
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.640
at all the all the lawsuits.
So these a little with them for a

1032
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.640
while. And that was almost a
scam because they were building so many stores

1033
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:10.000
and so they were selling the license
and the license for the franchises. That

1034
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.119
was the value in it. And
I remember I was delivering to a store

1035
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.239
in this poor guy, great great
community, won't Greeks a wonderful, very

1036
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:23.000
affluent the community. But because of
the way they licensed and they placed the

1037
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:27.479
location, this poor guy he put
his life savings in and I knew he

1038
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:30.720
was going to lose everything. And
I almost wanted to cry in my truck

1039
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:34.840
because it was just like I saw
this guy working. He was an immigrant,

1040
01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:40.079
he worked his whole life to save
the store, and I knew within

1041
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:43.800
two months delivering there this guy was
not going to last. But here's the

1042
01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.800
other point is is they sure find
a good way to get workers fighting on

1043
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:51.000
workers. I mean there for you
punch a paycheck. You're jealous of the

1044
01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:55.479
other guy working. I'm happy for
him. Get as much as they can

1045
01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:59.199
because they're working the tail of it. Just I want to see more bottom

1046
01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:00.880
up, said, I'm on the
left. I want to see more bottom

1047
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:06.000
up economics. But nobody's complaining about
all these record profits. These companies in

1048
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:13.680
the monopolyation monopolize power in the oligarchies. Nobody's sitting there throwing stones to them.

1049
01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:17.119
But well, we'll complain about a
worker getting a little bit more of

1050
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:20.600
a piece of the pie, even
though it's not that much. And I

1051
01:24:21.159 --> 01:24:26.960
sympathize that. Yeah, costs have
gone up, but sold profits. And

1052
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:30.800
you made a point about the equilibrium
equilibriums off. I agree with you.

1053
01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:35.399
Yeah, that's what the problem is
here. So it's gonna happen good.

1054
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:40.000
But you saw a good example of
the equilibrium being off back during COVID,

1055
01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:44.119
once everything got set down, and
then the minute that people were able to

1056
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:46.880
start opening back up. What did
you see? You saw a lot of

1057
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:51.239
negotiations with workers where they were taking
advantage of it and saying, okay,

1058
01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:55.720
you want us to come back,
Now what cost to this? There were

1059
01:24:55.760 --> 01:25:00.359
a lot of games made by workers
because that having no others, had to

1060
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:04.920
start paying more to get people in
the door to work. So now we're

1061
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:11.520
starting to see the crest of that. But in that happening, on top

1062
01:25:11.600 --> 01:25:15.600
of it, you get a state
mandate that says, okay, what you

1063
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.119
did wasn't good enough. Now,
why is it just fast food workers that

1064
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:26.159
were protected with a twenty dollars minimum
wage? Why not trash collectors? Of

1065
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:29.079
course, their union out there I
would imagine and making a hell of lot

1066
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:32.880
more than twenty dollars an hour.
But in our line of work, we

1067
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:38.479
have trouble finding people. Construction used
to be good, start out paying jobs

1068
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:42.680
for people. If you didn't mind
working outside and yeah it gets hot and

1069
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:46.159
swinging a hammer or operating a piece
of equipment, you could make some good

1070
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:50.920
money. But we have had a
hard time finding people to fill jobs on

1071
01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:56.359
construction sites because they can go and
get fifteen dollars an hour working in the

1072
01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:00.560
ac pounding out biscuits for Bojangles.
It's really competitive. I mean we see

1073
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:04.680
it on our end too, trying
to fill jobs because people are getting more

1074
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:10.079
money for those fast food jobs and
the working conditions are better, it's hard

1075
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:15.039
for us to fill labor positions on
job sites. Well, if they offered

1076
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:19.319
fifteen dollars an hour to a fast
food worker here and make and I'd go.

1077
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:23.479
I'd go take one of those jobs
if I could, because it would

1078
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:26.199
do me a lot better than what
I'm doing. And you know, I

1079
01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.600
would go do it. But they're
not. They're not reaching for it here.

1080
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:32.199
They don't care it is thirteen.
I see thirteen and fourteen dollars an

1081
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:38.000
hour signs on windows all up and
down this state. Maybe I got to

1082
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:41.319
move back to North Carolina. Anyways, I'm gonna put I'm gonna put you

1083
01:26:41.359 --> 01:26:44.439
on hold, and then we're gonna
go back over to Jimmy James. I

1084
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:46.920
guess anybody else wants to join us
though. Three one nine, five two

1085
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:50.760
seven five zero one six, and
uh, we'll also try and get everybody

1086
01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.760
back in toward the end here,
and anybody else knew who calls in,

1087
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.520
we'll get you right on end.
Three one nine five two seven five zero

1088
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:00.640
one six. So I don't know
if you want to talk fast food or

1089
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.159
you want to talk something else.
We got about a half hour left here.

1090
01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:12.079
Oh well, Danny's you know,
absolutely right. That's why I keep

1091
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:16.479
hearing some of California's heaven on Earth
right now. Oh, they're just plamoring

1092
01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:21.560
to get into that place. Hurt
him up, hold him up him.

1093
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:32.239
Yeah, I'm not going on what
I'll paul ruling class versus hard version,

1094
01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:43.279
or I'll just call let's start with
our Oka versus James Riddle Hoppa, who

1095
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:48.600
was actually the moral man? James
Hoppa did the cheat on his wife,

1096
01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:53.159
He did the smoke, he did
the drink, he did the gamble,

1097
01:27:53.840 --> 01:28:00.840
and he used all these early dometans. RK was none of those things.

1098
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:10.720
Cheated on his way, gove Marilyn
Monroe to suicide, apparently at best case

1099
01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:18.760
scenario. So who's the moral man? And what was rfk's major malfunction against

1100
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:25.840
mister happen? What does he made
him look bad? And TV that's exactly

1101
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:30.840
what started because he was a mean
little kiss ant, as everyone used to

1102
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:39.079
say, including LBJ on tape.
And also I find it interesting that old

1103
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:45.960
RFK. It's interesting that I don't
know if you guys ever heard this story,

1104
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:51.359
but once Hopfo was waiting for half
an hour for RFK to show up,

1105
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:59.640
and he came strolling in there with
his boodles, and Hafa did grab

1106
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:02.319
him other than that to throw them
against the wall and said, how dare

1107
01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:08.920
you keep me waiting forty five minutes
and then come strolling in here with those

1108
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:16.199
faggetty dogs. I would never treat
you with such disrespect. And that's where

1109
01:29:16.239 --> 01:29:23.640
it really threw our kid unto where
I get top mode, Harvard mode.

1110
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:29.199
We'll call it, kind of like
get Trump these days, Harvard versus Trump,

1111
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:38.399
it's always the same. Well,
comrade, if you will, I

1112
01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.520
got to tell you how I'm not
from Harvard, but but I'm not on

1113
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:47.880
Trump's side either. I said,
I'm not a Harvard guy, but you

1114
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:51.119
know I'm not for Trump either,
So what can I tell you? I

1115
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:58.800
guess I'm somewhere in between there.
Well, I think you and Dan here

1116
01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:06.520
just miss kad uh misguided? Okay, could be. I never disallow that

1117
01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:14.319
possibility. I'm always possibly misguided.
Pete, what do you think about Jimmy?

1118
01:30:15.720 --> 01:30:21.800
Okay? Sorry, I'm just saying
that I think he stared at office

1119
01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:30.760
crap so you could dig Kim Okay, B Pete, what do you think

1120
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:36.600
about Jimmy Hoffer versus R F K. Well, I've never been one to

1121
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:41.760
sing the praises of anybody from the
Kennedy clan, you know, I've never

1122
01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.399
I've said before, I don't understand
the mystique around j F K. And

1123
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:51.359
he was God's gift to white people. I just he's just another politician connected

1124
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:57.520
to a politically corrupt family. So
you know, I've never understood, Oh,

1125
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:00.399
he's going to save the world.
I don't see how you do that

1126
01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:02.720
in eight years as president. But
then again, you know, I'm just

1127
01:31:02.760 --> 01:31:10.439
not a Kennedy fan. So the
Haffa stuff, I don't know. It

1128
01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:21.159
ties back then between let's say enterprises
of a familiar nature and labor you know,

1129
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:26.560
can make you see why maybe some
attorney general might want to go after

1130
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:31.600
Jimmy Hoffa. The unfortunate thing is
we don't know because Haffa's gone, we

1131
01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.520
don't know where he's at. I'd
be curious to see, though, we're

1132
01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:39.239
just going to come out what actually
happened to him. You know, you've

1133
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:43.960
heard so many varieties of what happened
to Haffa, And my question is what

1134
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:48.319
did he do to cause him to
disappear in the way that he did?

1135
01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:55.439
Were the last thing he I mean
not hear theory, but everyone else is

1136
01:31:55.520 --> 01:32:00.199
period. The last thing he was
talking about must be the answer. He

1137
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:08.680
was talking about prison reform, So
that must be the answer that halfa lives,

1138
01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:15.680
All prisoners would be rehabilitated and be
productive citizens today, and everyone would

1139
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:18.000
make two hundred and fifty dollars an
hour, and he would have part of

1140
01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:25.920
supply. M Well, I don't
know about all that. I do know

1141
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:31.840
one thing I will say favor over. Our Poppa worked literally full time from

1142
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.640
the time he was in grade school, and rfk ever worked a day in

1143
01:32:35.680 --> 01:32:41.720
his life. Fair enough. Here's
the thing about Happa that I think actually

1144
01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:45.760
got him killed, and that is
that he would have if he had been

1145
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:55.640
reinstalled as the president of the team
Stairs, he would have wielded power that

1146
01:32:55.640 --> 01:33:00.439
that they that that certain people didn't
want him to wield. And he was

1147
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:09.479
not all for listening to certain people
when they had directives for how say,

1148
01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:14.399
the loans were to be given by
the Teamsters union and things like that.

1149
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:19.640
So I think the big problem was
that he looked to reassert himself in that

1150
01:33:19.720 --> 01:33:28.439
position of power and other puppets were
standing by to do it, and Haffa

1151
01:33:28.520 --> 01:33:31.520
didn't listen to people, and I
think that's what made him have to disappear.

1152
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:40.079
Could it be could it be a
case that you know, there was

1153
01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:45.520
a lot of donations made from labor
unions back at that time when it came

1154
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:53.399
to politics. Could it be that
Hofer decided to put that money somewhere else

1155
01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:57.840
or towards people that not necessarily back
in the Kennedys, and it kissed off

1156
01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.520
the Kennedys because suddenly there're he faltered, his running low and their money's going

1157
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:06.319
somewhere else. And we look at
that aspect of yeah, but it wasn't

1158
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:11.760
about that. You got to look
at the changeover that was going to happen

1159
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.479
in Vegas and in a few other
places where a lot of money had gone

1160
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:19.560
and a lot more money was going
to have to go in the next few

1161
01:34:19.640 --> 01:34:24.279
years, and take a look at
the people that ended up in that position

1162
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:29.920
of power with that presidency over that
over the teamsters over the next stay what

1163
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:35.640
two decades, and you take a
look at who they really answered to I'm

1164
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.920
just wondering if money had something to
do with it. Oh yeah, acts,

1165
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:44.720
not even necessarily just the political stuff. Was money going somewhere that somebody

1166
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:47.800
thought it should have been going.
I'm not saying illegally, because it's all

1167
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:53.600
illegal. The money I'm talking about
was somebody not getting their cut or did

1168
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:57.359
their cut get reduced. That's why
you went after them there. It is

1169
01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.760
somebody not getting their cut. If
Papa was re installed as the president of

1170
01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:05.920
the Union, then there would not
have been the old agreements with the cuts

1171
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:11.760
going to people. It would have
been a new circumstance, and that would

1172
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:15.840
have been a huge revenue loss for
some people who had some automatic cash coming

1173
01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:20.359
to them, cash flow constant from
the team changer. Because if you think

1174
01:35:20.439 --> 01:35:25.319
about it, it was part of
the labor unions that helped put Kennedy in

1175
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:29.600
office. Or was it that they
said it was bought? Was a Chicago

1176
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:34.960
Disupposedly the Kennedy's bought a win.
No, everybody's got a lot of different

1177
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:40.000
theories about that. Certain precincts.
You know, there were Italians that maybe

1178
01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:45.159
you know, exerted some influence to
make sure and this and that. But

1179
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:48.319
but to me, that's not that's
not a major thing. Whether it went

1180
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:51.640
one way or the other, or
promises were made, or Sinatra turned around

1181
01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:55.359
and made a promise that ran his
mouth when he shouldn't have, and all

1182
01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.720
that, that's well, no,
what no, I'm just getting at the

1183
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:01.600
general point of it is, you
know, the Democratic Party had supportive labor

1184
01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:08.319
at that time. Somewhere in the
background of that money changeing hands. Did

1185
01:36:08.319 --> 01:36:13.039
it get shifted somewhere else? And
it pissed off the Kennedys because teams weren't

1186
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:16.279
getting their cut or there whoever it
was that they were aligned with, wasn't

1187
01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:21.640
getting their cust See Teamster saying Teamster
loans that built and rebuilt parts of Vegas

1188
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:27.199
and other gambling establishments that were going
to pop up in other places that were

1189
01:36:27.199 --> 01:36:30.760
going to be part of legalized gambling
built with Teamster money, you know,

1190
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:36.239
before junk bonds became the funding source. Right. Uh. Now, that's

1191
01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:40.359
the huge consideration. You're not talking
about, you know, a few million

1192
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:44.920
dollars into a presidential run. You're
talking about hundreds of millions. No,

1193
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:47.600
no, no, I'm talking No, I'm not. That's just that's just

1194
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:51.560
a speck of the bucket. I'm
talking about those moneys that are being spent

1195
01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:57.479
on labor contracts for construction and things
like that. Was there an entity that

1196
01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:03.520
the Kennedy's backed that suddenly was getting
pushed out and the money started going elsewhere.

1197
01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:06.600
That's what I mean. Not know, the political money is just a

1198
01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:10.199
steck in the bucket. Yeah,
But what I mean the big money.

1199
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:15.159
What I'm saying, money for those
labor contracts and materials and you know,

1200
01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:20.439
the gamers, the staff, all
of it being unionized, was a Kennedy

1201
01:37:20.600 --> 01:37:25.479
benefactor being cut out. But if
the union he goes, okay, hey

1202
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.239
I'm not getting my share, you
need to go after them, even though

1203
01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:31.319
we know labor put Kennedy in office. Okay, but here's the thing when

1204
01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:34.359
you were talking about the Kennedy's here
right right now, when you have a

1205
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:41.079
union that is loaning the money for
construction and then on the back end being

1206
01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:45.000
guaranteed that they have all sorts of
jobs that are going to be fed through

1207
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:48.920
that union. Some of them are
padded jobs, others are regular jobs,

1208
01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:55.520
and a whole lot of construction is
going to get done. That is a

1209
01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:59.600
big old mill that generates a whole
bunch of money that has a whole bunch

1210
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.640
of stops along the way for a
whole lot of skimming, And the Kennedy's

1211
01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:08.079
were not in that. That's got
nothing to do with them. That's got

1212
01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:12.760
to do with a whole other world
of business that, like I said,

1213
01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:15.199
until they figured out how to fun
things with junk bonds in the late eighties,

1214
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.960
this is where all that money came
from to build all these places.

1215
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:23.920
I mean, how do you think
how many Kennedy gets are old? Wait

1216
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.159
a minute now, how many Kennedy
gets are owed to certain people over the

1217
01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:31.760
ability to bring liquor into this country
back during prohibition and the deals that they

1218
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.960
cut back then to be able to
do it. You know, Canadian liquor

1219
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:39.680
was coming down here. That's where
where Kennedy's made a lot of their money.

1220
01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:43.640
Well, I'm talking about old familial
ties. You know, instead of

1221
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:46.840
this contry contract going to this individual
with a vowel on his last name,

1222
01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:51.359
is maybe he should have gone to
that individual with a vowel on his last

1223
01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:57.159
name, and he's got contacts with
the old man Kennedy. He goes back

1224
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.439
that far. We just don't know. They had to be something of major

1225
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:13.239
financial importance. That caused the rift
between between samilial institutions and the Kennedys.

1226
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.159
Well, not what I would contend. I'll just leave it at that,

1227
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:24.720
because you can see with the guys
who came in later and the guys that

1228
01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:27.840
they had to remove, the people
that wound up getting the job that Happa

1229
01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:32.880
probably would have been able to reacquire
even after his release from prison. Uh,

1230
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:40.079
that's what the problem is. And
he wasn't going to play along with

1231
01:39:40.199 --> 01:39:44.199
the old arrangements, That's all I'm
saying about him. So that's why he

1232
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:48.159
had to go and all that money. Again, how did those Indian casinos

1233
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:54.520
get built? How did you end
up getting Vegas refaced over and over again?

1234
01:39:54.960 --> 01:40:00.000
How did you end come on?
You know, it's it's a bigger

1235
01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:04.039
thing than you know, who ends
up in the White House or who got

1236
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:10.159
to be the Senator from New York. Okay, much larger or the Senator

1237
01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:14.319
from Massachusetts that too. Yeah,
you know, you're looking at the casino

1238
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.600
with other things, look at look
at the labor involved with the military industrial

1239
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:25.319
complex. Yeah, but then let's
say some some tentacles in there that are

1240
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:30.520
connected to connected individuals, you know, so it's not just It's not just

1241
01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:33.800
what was going on in Vegas with
the mob. You know, their connections

1242
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:40.439
ran deep on everything. So I'm
and I think that's part of the reason

1243
01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:43.239
that Kennedy got taken out. Well, I have both of them. Okay,

1244
01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:46.960
I have no knowledge of any Italians
at Haliburton. But you know what,

1245
01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:50.479
maybe somebody has information to the contrary. I'm just saying, you know,

1246
01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:55.119
Kellogg, Brown and Root and all
those good old boys. I'm just

1247
01:40:55.199 --> 01:41:00.640
saying, I don't see Italians there. I know where Italians are. I

1248
01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:02.680
know what happened in New York.
I know what happened in all these you

1249
01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:05.720
know, Indian casinos that got built
up. I know what happened. I

1250
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:11.000
mean there's a lot of you don't
see Italians on the board of Haliburton,

1251
01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:14.920
but you see a lot of Italians
involved in the labor unions that are working

1252
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:18.399
in their factories. Yeah, but
not not bringing the wall materials. Not

1253
01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:25.119
not when you're not when you're working
for Raytheon and Boeing those kind of people.

1254
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:30.199
No, No, you don't think
there's any mom connection to any labor

1255
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:38.239
union associated with the labored unions involved
in Boeing Orthon. I would a manufacturing

1256
01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:41.119
plant. I would never say that
I that I don't see any I would

1257
01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:47.720
say that it's not significant. That's
what I would say. If president not

1258
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:55.039
that big? What what's that,
Jimmy, Do you think the little Coastostra

1259
01:41:55.279 --> 01:42:00.800
has any effective power now at all? Or they completely submissive to the Mexican

1260
01:42:00.920 --> 01:42:10.399
cartels MS thirteen the Venezuelan gangs,
because that's what it seems like. I

1261
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:15.800
could explain the batting order there.
But no, I would not say that

1262
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:23.640
they are okay. They do not
have the power and influence they had during

1263
01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:30.079
the last century, not at all. But they still exist, and they

1264
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:34.800
exist in places that nobody really pays
attention to or thinks of them existing.

1265
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:42.199
And it's more white collar stuff than
it ever was. Your street level stuff

1266
01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:46.359
is gone. The drug trade stuff
is really run by some interesting people from

1267
01:42:46.359 --> 01:42:50.720
Europe and Russia and that, and
as far as what you see on the

1268
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:55.920
ground here, yeah, in this
hemisphere, a whole lot more Central and

1269
01:42:56.439 --> 01:43:02.039
South American people run that trade than
any Italians, that's for sure. Do

1270
01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:06.600
they exist, yes, but they're
mainly in white collar stuff at this point.

1271
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:14.199
That's where they exist. That's what
Unlike Cicily, where the real mafia

1272
01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:20.439
is and there and they ain't going
nowhere. That's a different story you asked

1273
01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:24.920
about, you know you basically I
think you were asking about what's going on

1274
01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:30.680
on this side of the world.
I was saying that the American so called

1275
01:43:30.760 --> 01:43:34.800
mafias, yes, but not,
of course, the mafia proper. They're

1276
01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:40.000
doing just fine. And Danty,
Yeah, that's been that way for five

1277
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:45.520
hundred years, so yeah, that'll
be that way in another five hundred years.

1278
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:51.039
Anyway, we got about fifteen minutes
left. What do you think me,

1279
01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:56.800
Pete? Is there anything else that
we need to cover here? Oh?

1280
01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:00.680
No, I did find an interesting
story about our First Lady and the

1281
01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:04.520
fact that in twenty and twenty two, and this is a story that the

1282
01:44:04.520 --> 01:44:08.960
White House denies, I'll go ahead
and tell you now, come back.

1283
01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:15.359
In twenty twenty two they went to
the head of the Marine Corps band and

1284
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:20.760
told them that they wanted them to
write a song for fanfare for the First

1285
01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:26.800
Lady whenever she made an appearance,
and it would be played from her first

1286
01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:30.840
sighting until she reached the podium of
wherever she was going to speak or whatever

1287
01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.560
it was she was doing, like
sitting at a table for a banquet or

1288
01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:40.960
something. Wait, wait, so
like a hand to the tea for the

1289
01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:46.039
president. She wanted her own song. I notice she's been watching WWE and

1290
01:44:46.119 --> 01:44:51.920
figure she needed an entrance tune or
what. But they did it, and

1291
01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:56.880
they wrote the fanfare for and they
used it a couple of times until somebody

1292
01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:00.560
started mocking her about it, and
then they pulled the song. Ever played

1293
01:45:00.560 --> 01:45:03.159
it again, and the White House
denied that it actually took place. But

1294
01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:09.760
when you think about her demanding that, it might give a little credence to

1295
01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:14.560
the fact that people are saying that
Jill is the one deciding if if Biden

1296
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:27.319
bowls out, not every one else. Are you m doctor good? Good?

1297
01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:30.079
Good good, Jimmy, what about
doctor Biden? Sorry? Good?

1298
01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:41.760
Makes me call her? Doctor?
Does me? Imitating Briden just saying that

1299
01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:46.920
his wife makes him call him doctor
jail? I like, I like's good,

1300
01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:56.439
it's good your Biden impressions good good? Since uh yeah, her and

1301
01:45:56.560 --> 01:46:01.760
Fidel Castro doctor Castro, they got
the bit PhDs and education, which is

1302
01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:14.039
like what the biggest liberal arts associates
degree the longest useless anyway, Well,

1303
01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:16.680
I don't know I fe's or got
a PhD in philosophy, so you know,

1304
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:23.800
it's philosophy are more worthless. I
thought community, I thought communications was

1305
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:28.319
the most worthless one. But maybe
maybe it's maybe it's education. Well now,

1306
01:46:29.319 --> 01:46:34.560
well, now there's these ethnic studies
and Communist studies programs that are of

1307
01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:41.840
course, of course utterly useless.
That's, by the ways worse. I'm

1308
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:51.960
studying someone's ethnicity. Don't study your
own, dummy. Who are you saying

1309
01:46:53.039 --> 01:47:03.640
that to anyone who's goes to college
and rings up hundreds of thousands of dollars

1310
01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:15.960
in debt for a degree and they're
all ethnic background? Uh yeah, you

1311
01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:20.079
Jimmy. You just put every history
black college out of business. Well,

1312
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:24.880
now Jimmy can always go for like
African American studies or something, right,

1313
01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:28.760
I mean that that would be no
if you took away if you took away

1314
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:34.520
African American studies, you'd have what
half of half of doctorate programs offered in

1315
01:47:34.600 --> 01:47:43.680
college is done away with. Maybe
that's the impact. I'm just saying that

1316
01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:48.520
normally, like Mexicans don't sign up
for Spanish classes. It's just you know,

1317
01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:56.239
well, you know on the Jersey
Shore they did in high school.

1318
01:47:56.399 --> 01:48:00.359
That used to be the funniest thing. Guys who actually already spoke Spanish,

1319
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:02.000
signed up for Spanish in school.
I don't know why they did it,

1320
01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:06.680
but that was high school. You
know, you're not. I don't know.

1321
01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:10.560
It's weird. Yeah, you see
that across all cultures. I mean,

1322
01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:13.359
you've got a lot of people that
you know, are of Korean background

1323
01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:17.439
or Japanese or Chinese background and grew
up here in the States that they've lost

1324
01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:21.000
the art of speaking the native language. If the parents don't use it in

1325
01:48:21.079 --> 01:48:26.640
the home, then it has a
tendency to die out. Yeah. True,

1326
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:34.600
that's true. One generation an accent, so second general accent could talk

1327
01:48:34.720 --> 01:48:41.800
in the craziest accent. Second generation
tom Oh, Danny might want to get

1328
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:46.600
in on some of my RFK commentary
I want to do with see. Okay,

1329
01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:50.920
sure, I'll go over to Danny
and see if he's got anything to

1330
01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:57.239
say about the RFK versus HAAPA discussion. Uh, let's see. Let's bring

1331
01:48:57.319 --> 01:49:06.079
him on any any thoughts on Jimmy
James's good my thoughts. Yeah, definitely,

1332
01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:13.760
tension, there's definitely tension. There's
definitely. I think Jimmy makes a

1333
01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:18.079
good point. I mean, if
RFK was disrespectful, I can understand where

1334
01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:29.000
Hofa was so disrespected because I know
that the labor has had a very significant

1335
01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:35.239
importance to the Democratic Party since the
nineteen thirties. And if RFK didn't realize

1336
01:49:35.279 --> 01:49:42.359
that he was probably what Jimmy was
saying was being that just a rich little

1337
01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:45.600
prick. Oh yeah, guaranteed when
it came to that. And he makes

1338
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:49.720
some interesting points about you know,
morally, if you examine Happa, it

1339
01:49:49.880 --> 01:49:54.600
was well known the guy you couldn't
you couldn't ply him with booze, you

1340
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:58.159
couldn't fly him with drugs, you
couldn't even ply him with loose women.

1341
01:49:59.159 --> 01:50:01.880
From what I underst it was sort
of like, you know, you couldn't

1342
01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:06.039
soften this guy up in a negotiation
or a discussion with any of that stuff.

1343
01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:14.159
So why he wasn't easily susceptible to
him far more moral, Yeah,

1344
01:50:14.199 --> 01:50:16.520
he was far more moral than the
Kennedy site. I would agree with that,

1345
01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:23.880
Yeah, absolutely, And like I
said, that was just that that's

1346
01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:27.359
a well known thing though it was
like sort of it was a tough thing.

1347
01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.279
This is why you could not leverage
him to get him to do stuff

1348
01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:32.920
that he didn't want to do.
Like I said, if he would have

1349
01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:38.319
come back into power. All of
the old little handshake agreements, the stuff

1350
01:50:38.359 --> 01:50:43.199
that wasn't on paper, it would
have all gone away because he wanted to

1351
01:50:43.279 --> 01:50:45.640
reset it all and make it so
that there was no way they could ever

1352
01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:50.920
come after him again for anything.
And that's what I understand about the Hopper

1353
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:55.119
story. And the next thing I
know is, yeah, he got disappeared.

1354
01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:58.800
And I've heard the legends of it
and still have yet to hear anybody

1355
01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:01.840
come out with the same legend that
I've always understood about what actually happened to

1356
01:51:01.920 --> 01:51:05.720
Jimmy Hopper. And he's not buried
at Giants Stadium or none of that crap

1357
01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:09.720
they used to say that stuff in
Jersey all the time is a joke.

1358
01:51:09.880 --> 01:51:15.479
But truth is, he disappeared in
another state, and he disappeared right after

1359
01:51:15.560 --> 01:51:19.039
a meeting. And I've been told
how he has disappeared and how nobody's ever

1360
01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:24.680
going to find him. Uh,
And I've seen it depicted in one place

1361
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:29.079
where it seems to me as though
somebody didn't know something according to the legends

1362
01:51:29.119 --> 01:51:34.520
I've always heard from people who should
be in the know. But you know,

1363
01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.279
so, what actually happened to Jimmy
Hoppa. They're never going to find

1364
01:51:38.760 --> 01:51:43.199
a skull, a bone, significant
deed that's never going to be found if

1365
01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:47.760
the legend I understand is actually how
he disappeared. So anyway, yeah,

1366
01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:53.359
yeah, I just know more on
the you know, I've never served as

1367
01:51:53.399 --> 01:51:58.760
an officer. I mean I've worked
on craft and he's re unions and work

1368
01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:01.479
with shops stuarts on a lot of
things. But one thing I do know

1369
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:09.960
on a local level is that if
you're kind of corrupt, and we do

1370
01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:14.760
have a democratic process, and I
have been responsible and working on getting some

1371
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:19.960
bad characters out and when the facts
and like and when the best hits the

1372
01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:25.920
fan, I've been pretty supportive,
like he needs to go because there needs

1373
01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:29.359
to be people who stand up for
the rank and file. But again,

1374
01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:32.800
I mean your moral character. I
mean you always hope the cream rises to

1375
01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:36.199
the crop. But like you said, I think jim made a very important

1376
01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:43.119
is they're from two different spectrums.
I mean Tafa's from working class. Off

1377
01:52:43.479 --> 01:52:47.119
was from a very rich elitist class, and it you know, I mean

1378
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:50.920
there were just two different parts and
they were like oil and vineker, they

1379
01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:57.039
didn't work together. Yeah, when
you got like like Jimmy said, when

1380
01:52:57.039 --> 01:52:59.960
you've got a guy who starts goes
to work at twelve years old, which

1381
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:01.800
a lot of us can identify with
that where you know, as soon as

1382
01:53:01.880 --> 01:53:04.920
you could find any sort of work, you went to work. Uh.

1383
01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:11.239
And that's a working class person and
you got RFK basically coming from a family

1384
01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:14.239
where listen, I'm gonna give each
one of you kids four million dollars.

1385
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:16.600
You can all go to college and
all that and then start your lives.

1386
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:24.600
It's a different perspective, Okay,
it just is relate. There's no way

1387
01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:28.279
you can relate and that you know, I did it. I bought.

1388
01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:32.039
I've worked my whole life. I
remember I worked at my dad's shot.

1389
01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:35.640
My dad had two tractorships. I
started one of those twelve years old,

1390
01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:41.960
a small farming family business. And
the other things you pointed out about I

1391
01:53:42.039 --> 01:53:45.279
grew up with the community. It
was half Mexican, and they all too

1392
01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:48.880
Spanish because they always told me I
did an easy A and I can swap.

1393
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:53.239
You know, it's human nature.
Here you go. That's what I

1394
01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:56.880
saw on the in you know,
in Jersey. Really it was all the

1395
01:53:56.960 --> 01:53:59.880
kids that already spoke Spanish. They
would take Spanish in school. They get

1396
01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:05.840
a on that. Yeah, yeah, but Jimmy. Jimmy was talking about,

1397
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:10.239
you know, cultural studies, which
is pretty funny because cultural studies complete

1398
01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:12.880
waste of time in college. For
God said, I mean, unless you're

1399
01:54:12.920 --> 01:54:15.239
going to work as an anthropologist,
or you're gonna, you know, go

1400
01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:20.640
into a museum, or you're planning
on inserting yourself abroad somewhere, like,

1401
01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:25.640
you should definitely do Asian studies and
then go teach English and Cambodia. That's

1402
01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:29.560
fine if that's what you want to
do. But oh yeah, yeah,

1403
01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:32.760
that's valuable. I mean they have
to polish, you know, for culture.

1404
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:38.239
I mean, if you're trying to
go in there and have any type

1405
01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:43.600
open a business or you know,
diplomatic relations, you should understand the culture.

1406
01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:47.079
I think there's some importance. I
mean, like anything can be saturated,

1407
01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:51.000
but I mean you can't totally discount
it. I mean it does have

1408
01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:55.680
some relevance, right, I mean, if it becomes the dominant, it

1409
01:54:55.760 --> 01:55:02.359
can be overdone and be a force
for its fair enough. Fair enough.

1410
01:55:02.479 --> 01:55:05.520
So we got to hear from him
on the hop of the thing. We

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got to hear from you guys out
there. We didn't get too many calls,

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but I'm glad that Jimmy and Danny
called in for sure, be Pete.

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We've only got a couple of minutes
left, so kind of wanted to

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turn them over to you tonight.
Well, just so you know, sell

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us at the end, I'm gonna
go ahead and give my clothes and thoughts.

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Appreciate Jimmy and Danny call him in, and we got another one in

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the can. I can only urge
people to go to the Telly dot com

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website and hit the donate button.
Every little bit helps support your local food

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banks. Look out for your neighbors, and we'll see you next week.

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Look absolutely, and I appreciate that
we did, you know, have independence

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01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:51.239
celebrations recently. Thankfully it's gotten dark
near me and we don't have a lot

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01:55:51.319 --> 01:55:58.399
of fireworks tonight, but every night
there's fireworks, and unfortunately, every night

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01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:02.319
there is trouble somewhere you. So, I think that random acts of kindness

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01:56:02.359 --> 01:56:08.159
are a good thing to employ in
your life. I think that we should

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at all times be aware of one
another, because here's the thing. We

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01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:16.239
are conspiratorial creatures. By our nature. We don't ever accomplish anything of significance

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01:56:16.520 --> 01:56:19.840
as lone wolves. And I know
a lot of us feel like we're quite

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01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:26.359
alone lately, but sadly, we're
all on the good ship planet Earth together,

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01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.960
and that is sad sometimes because you
know, not everybody's the most likable

1430
01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:35.439
creature out there, but we're all
in this together one way or another.

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01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:40.279
So yeah, if you do decide
to drop something in the bucket at ochelli

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dot com, it's extremely helpful,
especially because I'm into my broke week now

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01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:46.680
at this point in a month,
a little early in the month than I

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01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:49.720
usually am, and I always have
at least a week to ten days where

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01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:56.279
I'm absolutely broke, So contribute to
my well being please, and the networks

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01:56:56.319 --> 01:57:00.760
well being. And I just spent
the money to keep the phone lines rolling.

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01:57:01.079 --> 01:57:05.000
But yeah, I don't have anything
left to myself, so it is

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01:57:05.079 --> 01:57:09.119
what it is. This is the
week that was, and we got another

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01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:12.640
one done. So hopefully you guys
got something out of this Friday night.

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I appreciate you. And coming up
next on the Network, The Age of

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01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:19.920
Transitions with Aaron Franz followed my uncle
and Erin. I don't think we'll be

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01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:24.640
taking calls, but Uncle will in
the second hour, starting at eleven pm

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01:57:24.680 --> 01:57:28.319
Eastern, So in the meantime,
I'm merely Ocelly. All of you are

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indeed the effect. Have a good
night.