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by Seamus Bruner. He is the author of the new book Control of Garcs,
exposing the billionaire class, their secret deals, and the globalist plot to
dominate your life. Seamus, thanks so much for joining the show. Emily,
it's a pleasure to be with you. Yeah. So, Seamus,
you do a lot of work with the Government Accountability Institute, your research director.
You've worked with Peter Schweitzer. Can you tell us just a little bit
about your background, since it's your first time on the show, and how
you ended up digging into this investigation in particular? Certainly so, I volunteered
as an you know, I volunteered for Peter Schweitzer before the Government Accountability Institute
was founded. This is back in twenty and eleven and worked on Schweitzer's book
Throw Them All Out, that exposed the insider trading scandal in Congress with that's
one of my favorite books. It's such a good book. And so,
I mean, in college, I studied political science, thought I might want
to go into politics, and just a year of volunteering for Peter Schweitzer realized
I absolutely don't want to go into politics, and had so much fun just
digging through the stock trades of Nancy Pelosi that I decided to take a job
with Peter. When the Government Accountability Institute was founded in twenty thirteen, I
think I started working with gas and yeah, I now I've worked on I
think eight Schweitzer books. I mean, the probably my favorite was the Clinton
cash Book. And I'm just kind of the nerd who goes through the mountains
of financial filing. So I took all of the Clinton Foundation nine nineties and
all of those speech payments that Bill was giving, put him into a spreadsheet.
They were in these hideous not ocr and for the person people out there
don't know what ocr is means, not searchable PDFs. So hundreds and hundreds
of pages of cash flowing into the Clinton Foundation. I put all that into
a spreadsheet, started sorting and filtering and found, look at these speeches that
he gave in Russia or China or you know, these don't look very good.
And then we kind of tracked down what was Hillary Clinton doing at the
State Department at that time, and we found, of course a lot of
the State Department priorities tracked with Bill Clinton's speeches. So that was just fun
and a really big expo. And then we moved on to I mean,
we did a book bush Bucks back then. We are a non partisan institute,
so we do go after both sides, but the money coming into things
like the Clinton Foundation, and then of course the bidens. We started following
Hunter seeing what he was up to. We found the Ukraine Forreisma scandal.
We found the China money, the big Bohi Harvest billion dollar private equity deal
that happened just ten days after Hunter flew on Air Force two to Beijing.
It was on that trip that Joe Biden met with Hunter's Chinese business partner.
Of course, Joe is always denied meeting with the business partners, but now
we've got dozens of meetings and the phone calls and so that you know,
that's been a really a five year long investigation into the Bidens. And our
motto at the Government Accountability Institute is to follow the money, and so I
figured, why don't we follow the money all the way to the top.
And so of course George Soros is a known major finance seer of progressive interests,
and you see that with the prosecutors, who are you know, trumping
up a lot of these charges against the former president. But then I kept
going and Bill Gates, I mean, the pandemic was really really a you
know, a wake up call for a lot of people. And this guy,
Bill Gates, he're like, what is this software? So, you
know, the guy who sells computers, what does he know about global health?
So that's really where this book got kicked off. And you know,
the Hunter Biden investigation is an interesting parallel because on the one hand, there's
a huge paper trail, but it wasn't of you know, things that were
voluntarily disclosed. There it's this like massive puzzle that you have to piece together
from the hard drive. But then there are some public records because his father
was president to the extent that he's been disclosing some of that. I guess
I'm just wondering how how that compares with a Bill Gates, a George Soros,
people who have these decades of media presences, political presences. It seems
like incredibly daunting puzzle too. I mean, if the Hunter Biden one seems
daunting, this seems much more daunting, seamous. How do those kind of
endeavors compare. Yeah, it is, it is absolutely daunting. The good
thing is, though, with a lot of these public companies, I mean,
they put the information out there and you have to piece it together,
but it is there. I mean, at the Government Accountability Institute, you
know, we mostly go after government records, and you know, the FOYA
is pretty tricky. They usually don't like to give those up willingly. So
no, we you know, we don't have all of the private communications like
we do with Hunter for some of the characters in this book, but they
are also very well known public figures, and there is just tons and tons
of reporting so many people. You know, you you look at the book
and you think, I know, I know, I probably know there is
everything there is to know about Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos.
But very deep in the reporting, like old reporting, especially, what we
do is we go back to the beginning, and so we did that with
Bill Gates, and we looked into how Microsoft was founded, and that showed,
of course that his father was and mother. Both Bill's father and mother
were hugely instrumental. They were huge power players in the state of Washington but
also nationally, and you start to figure out kind of like what makes these
guys tick. And so in the case of Bill Gates, his father was
a high powered attorney. He did a lot of intellectual property stuff. And
you see that through Microsoft's whole rise is like Bill Gates kind of comes up
with this licensing idea where we can sell the same product sort of over and
over and over. And that's really what the book shows moving forward. I
mean, things like paywalls. These guys want to put a paywall over your
entire life where you have to subscribe to just use your electric vehicle and you
have to pay monthly fees on an ongoing basis, and uh yeah, I
mean, you'd be shocked the number of things that are actually out there but
just sort of hard to find. And we've got tools, We've got some
really good tools. That help help us find things that are either scrubbed from
the Internet or buried deep in the corporate filings. But yeah, it's it's
a it's a daunting endeavor. It's not easy. And to what extent are
you know, for instance, you're looking at Bill Gates, George Sharros,
Warren Buffett, Rockefellers. To what extent is this a concerted campaign? Are
some of these efforts concerted? Like for instance, you talk about population control,
you talk about funding sort of the empire of left wing causes that a
lot of people associate with George Soros. Is there, uh, collaboration,
Is there an intentional kind of pooling of resources or is it that in so
many cases they tend to share common interests and so they just sort of naturally
go in these various directions. Well, it's it's definitely a bit of both.
But there is certainly a concerted agenda, concerted effort. They put it
out and they're very proud about it. So it's not you know, it's
not some conspiracy to say that they have this globalist agenda. You know,
they like Agenda twenty thirty. I mean the World Economic Forum, for example,
they do get together they do meet, it is very exclusive. It's
like this country club. You and I if we just showed up in Davos,
they would probably not let us in. And so but then they put
out, you know, videos like it's all the highlight reels and all the
good stuff about how they're saving the planet and they're doing what's best for humanity.
But you can still see that some of the things that they say is
best for humanity is not what's best for humanity. And you mention the population
control. So really the book kicks off in chapter one with this meeting.
I mean some have heard of it, a lot of people have not.
And it's called the Good Club, I mean right in the name. They
thought, well, you know what, you think they could come up with
something a little more creative than the Good Club. But it's this meeting that
takes place. It's in May two thousand and nine, and it's supposed to
be a secret meeting, but details of it leak out, and you'd be
shocked because to have it's a meeting of Bill Gates. I believe he's the
one who can He convened the meeting in partnership with George Soros, David Rockefeller,
it's at the Rockefeller University in New York. It's at the President's House,
and so it's there's about fifteen other billionaires there. I mean, Oprah
Winfrey is there, Ted Turner is there. And this you know, if
you the context around it is Obama has just been elected president. They got
their guy in, and so what like, what do we want members of
this so called Good Club want to pool our resources to do. We've all
got pet PEP priorities, pet projects. You know, some of us like
climate change, some of us like abortion and birth control and women's health type
stuff. And Bill Gates is the one who proposes, well, the umbrella
cause they call it the umbrella cause that kind of unites all of our causes
is overpopulation, the idea that there are too many people on this planet and
there's going to be certainly too many, way too many people in just a
few years. I mean around that time, there were six billion, and
they say we're headed for nine billion, and then the earth simply can't sustain
that number of people. And so out of this Good Club meeting, you
see a lot of funding from the Bill, like the Bill and will Inda
Gates and all these other foundations they start funding too, I mean to a
much greater degree. They've been funding it for decades, but things like abortion
and birth control, we need to increase the access, We need to increase
the messaging on these issues. And you see that they've done a pretty good
job messaging on those issues. Yeah, definitely. Climate in particular is so
interesting because it's you see a lot of I guess, laptop liberal protesters defacing
art et cetera, et cetera, and a lot of this is being funded
by extremely wealthy sort of global figures who want things to unfold that way,
but maybe publicly aren't willing to take radical steps themselves. I mean, the
private jets is what everybody always talks about. How do they see this issue
of climate? And I guess the bigger context there is how do they see
this issue of capitalism versus socialism? I imagine they think their climate efforts are
just capitalism, but in reality, it seems to me like it's a huge
amount of cronyism and sort of social democratic meddling. Yeah, that is exactly
right. What's really interesting, and I lay it out all in the book,
is that each of the billionaires, each of these characters, they have
all been major financiers of the most polluting technologies and industries imaginable. George Soros,
for example, for example, huge investor in coal. You know,
Tom Steier, huge investor in coal. Even Michael Bloomberg, you know he
invests in natural gas as he's trying to ban the coal plant. So they
sort of moved all of their investments into these new technologies. And it's something
that is a little esoteric, but it's really critical, is the idea of
patents. A patent gives you a twenty year long monopoly on whatever product you're
selling. And so a lot of the fossil fuel industries, the patents have
run out. I mean, the Rockefellers are a central character in chapter one.
They found at Standard Oil there is no better oil man than John D.
R Akkafeller. And so for a century they built in a massive fortune.
You know, it's incalculable to a degree because it's just so spread out,
but many tens of billions of dollars. And then it's only they only
these billionaires only divest, these progressive billionaires only divest from their fossil fuels after
they've secured investments into the new patented, you know, the solar and the
wind and the green energy companies. Bill Gates has a nuclear power Tearra Power
company. They're highly regulated, which means very high barriers to entry. You
can't just there are no wildcatters or jed clampets who can go out and strike
it rich in the nuclear power or the wind or the solar industry. So
the book, you know, makes the case that it's really not about saving
the planet, it's about dominating the energy. I mean, the energy industry
globally is a trillion dollar industry. If you can corner that into industry and
just have a few market players, I mean you're set for life for many
generations. And so it's the same thing too with the food industry. You
know, each chapter kind of goes through the energy industry, the healthcare industry,
the food industry. When I talk about these patents, it's kind of
like think about drugs. Like a generic medicine is very cheap. You can
get the generic for very low cost. The name brand, however, you
know, eighty dollars a pill versus two dollars a pill. So oil and
gas are the generic, solar and wind are the name brand. Controlled technology
same thing with the food. Cows are, you know, a very efficient
way to provide protein to a lot of people. That's so when Alexandria Ocasio
Cortes goes out and says that cow flatulence is going to kill the planet,
that actually comes from like a white paper, you know, cooked up at
the World Economic Forum or the Bill and Melendic Gates Foundation that says, yeah,
we need to eliminate beef. I mean, I believe Ireland either this
week or coming soon, is about to slaughter tens of thousands of their cattle
for climate change. It's going to actually cost them a ton of money to
do so, and so it's sort of insane. But Bill Gates only starts
talking about how the emissions from livestock is a problem after he has secured investments
into companies like Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods and these alternative protein companies that they
claim are much more sustainable. But actually, if you look at the amount
of energy it takes to produce a lab grown meat hamburger, it's an enormous
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Well, and that's again, I think to a lot of people it
strikes them is why am I not hearing about this? Why does so much
of this stuff feel like a sort of secret fringe conspiracy, you know,
con talk when it's happening before our eyes. And that's been sort of weird
for a lot of people, I think, since the pandemic to look around
and say all of these uh, sort of power grabs were just happening in
plain sight. So I the question I want to ask Seamus this how they're
how these billionaires approach the media, How they approach the importance that they,
you know, exert some control over the media. But also is it possible
that the media is just sort of their useful idiots. It's it's kind of
a combination of both, that they the media is sort of too insulated and
optues to even put two and two together. Now, yeah, that's exactly
right. I mean, it's the media. There's a chapter on media control,
and you know, and how it's been a very controlled industry since since
the dawn of time. I mean, there's just it's hard. It's hard
to you can't own a printing press. It's expensive to own a printing press.
And and moving forward, but and I and I, you know,
you show how things you feel like you're getting crazier. It's because the information
is getting freer. And you see that in the Twitter files. You know,
with the dawn of the Internet, it made it so that more information
could be accessible to more people. And you see this clamping down on it.
So there's still just about six companies who own ninety percent plus of the
legacy media, and those are all owned and you know, we go into
black Rock and Vanguard and State Street and they're all owned by people who go
to the World Economic Forum. So they're all sort of on the same page,
reading the same script. But now with big tech, you would think
that, you know, information should be able to get out to more people.
The big tech companies are clamping down big time. And trying to stop
that. And so yeah, I mean the Twitter files, but it's it's
still going on even with Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter. You know you saw
Mark Zuckerberg has now made Threads, and it provided a place where people can
avoid seeing uncensored content and the free flow of information. So the battle,
the battle continues. And how do you think they see themselves. I'm sort
of fascinated by that question because if you look at like a Warren Buffett,
you know, it seems to me that was exactly what he's doing. And
there's a lot of cynicism involved in his strategy when it comes to railroads,
media, whatever it is, cronyism, there's just some intentionality, and it's
almost cynical to look at it that way. When I think about a Bill
Gates, I see someone who's or like a Lorine Pollo Jobs. I see
people that are ideologues that are almost this. A lot of people use the
kind of nineteen sixties framework, the boomer framework, when they look at billionaires.
Helen Andrews touched on that in her book on Boomers. There's just an
idealism or a naivete. But I also don't want to ascribe to these powerful
billionaires naivete So Seamus having dug into them, what do you think their motives
are? And how do you think they see themselves? Do they really see
themselves as the good guys here? Yes, they do see themselves as the
good guys, but there's certainly a touch of elitism to it and a certain
you know, like, you know, you and I don't know really what's
best for the planet in the same way Bill Gates does. And so you
know, while on the one hand, I think that, you know,
they do believe that they're doing good, they're also I mean some of them,
you know, they're all different, but some of them have god complexes,
like on steroids and Joseph Weizenbaum, I believe he's a mit like computer
science professor actually writes about the the god complex of the Silicon Valley elite,
because you know, computer programmers they build these worlds, digital worlds, and
they sort of see themselves as the gods of their own worlds, and then
they think, well, why can't I do that in society. I've created
this amazing thing, this amazing product, and when I turn the dials,
the thing that, you know, everything falls into place and things do what
I want now, I'll do that to society. And the truth is they
don't know what's best for society. So that's where maybe some naivete comes in.
In the World Economic Form, guys, I don't know if you've ever
talked about you've all know a Harari, but yeah, yeah, you know,
there's a lot of that going on where they think, you know,
the peasants will never be able to rise up, and there's going to be
in the future a new class I mean, the AI revolution that's coming currently
underway. I mean it's interesting you kind of have always thought of this AI
future as often the distant future, and one day we'll know when we get
there. It's happening all around you right now. The biotechnological upgrades. There's
a lot on the brain microchip, which again sounds like conspiracy theory, but
it's all right out there. I mean Elon Musk's Neuralink company has just received
FDA approval earlier this year for human trials. There's at least ten thousand humans
who have had microp chips implanted in their brains, and so Harari and the
World Economic Forum types and Davos think that there will be a new class of
humans, those who can afford to have these micro chip upgrades. And it
starts with, you know, curing paralysis. That's what the ostensible purposes of
neuralink are. But then Musk shows with the monkeys that it look you can
send psychic text messages and you can play video games with your brain, and
so you know, I'm not a scientist, so I don't know how accurate
that is, but the video looks pretty compelling, and Musk says that the
monkeys are rewarded with banana smoothies. A Reuter's investigation actually found that thousands of
these test subjects had to be euthanized because the monkeys were chewing off their fingers
and bashing their heads against the cage. Is pretty gruesome stuff. And I'm
just wondering if the human test subjects will also be given banana smoothies a small
reward, Seamus, What do you make of Musk actually, because he does
strike me as somebody who was kind of old in the Harari camp. But
to be in the Harari camp, there's sort of an eccentricity that would mean
you also are curious and skeptical and in twenty twenty three, when he bought
Twitter in twenty twenty two. It makes sense that an eccentric person would look
around at the censorship, and someone of the sort of American tech communities libertarian
ethos would be aghast and motivated to preserve some semblance of freedom. At the
same time, he's a heavy investor in neurallink In. Obviously, Tesla in
and of itself is trying to put a lot of the is trying to dramatically
change the transportation around the world and in the United States. What do you
make of him? Well, I applaud Elon Musk for his takeover of Twitter
and turning it into a much more free speech platform. And he certainly is
eccentric. I mean, I believe he posted yesterday meme of a Hayak quote,
so I applaud that, but it was overlaid over a girl in a
bikini. I was like, this guy is he's it's hard to pin him
down, but we dug into his background and his family background, and his
grandfather was one of the founders of founding members of Technocracy Inc. In Canada,
and so technocracy is, you know, a system where the scientific and
the engineering elite rule. It's not a democratic system. There will be no
voting in your technocratic leaders, and so's he does have that, he's got
the vein of tech technocrat in him. I think time will tell you know
if he If neuralink only cures people with paralysis, then that would be great
and I would applaud that. However, if it turns into a tool of
you know, beaming VR porn right into your brain stem and keeping you in
your home, kind of like Ready Player one or some sort of dystopian future,
then I think we should be very wary. Yeah. I mean,
just yesterday, the speaking of this sort of paralysis question, just yesterday,
what happened in the House with Thomas Massey's kill switch amendment, all in the
name of drunk driving, all in the name of preventing death to drunk driving.
So there's always that greater cause that makes it seem so much more palatable
to people who don't have time to pay attention to the ins and outs of
all of this stuff. And that actually is another question I just wanted to
ask you so badly about why Jack Dorsey was giving all of this money to
BLM, for example, and he was not alone an openly Marxist organization was
raking in corporate cash, and to some extent it seemed obvious that the guys
knew that they were giving money to an openly Marxist organization because they cared more
about the pr They saw it as just an easy pr initiative, and you
know, maybe the Marxism would never really come to pass. We don't have
to worry about it. These are just silly little hippies that are messing around.
But we can, you know, look good by giving the money,
not to worry about anything else. But what does explain so much of the
For instance Soro so I know, he's kind of in a league of his
own with some of the stuff. Gates giving money to organizations that fundamentally want
to destroy free enterprise. Well, at the same time, people like Warren
Buffett paying lip service to the importance of American free enterprise? Are they intentionally
undermining the capitalist system? Are they too dumb to realize it? Is it
all just pr Where do we how should we think about them approaching those issues?
Yeah, that's right, it's openly marx As. It was also totally
fraudulent, and it was pretty obvious from the get go. But yeah,
if you look at BLM's early sort of manifesto, I mean, abolishing the
nuclear family was on there, and certainly that has been a priority of progressive
funding going back to the sixties. The transgender and I mean we get into
doctor John Money, who was this John's hop Hopkins scientist who had this experiment
where two twin boys, one of them had a you know, tragedy at
birth that left him disfigured, and John Money said, well, why don't
you just cut it off and raise him as a female, And so the
twins were raised one boy, one girl, and John many Money and not
enough people know about him, but he's the person who coined things like transgenderism
as a term. Another doctor doctor Kinsey, and people have heard of the
Kinsey scale. He was very heavily funded by the Rockefellers. The Rockefellers very
openly boast of funding the sexual revolution, which has had you know, pretty
bad effects, some might say. And I think there's layers to it,
so on on, you know, on the surface layer, there are plenty
of people who are true believers that think these causes are important. BLM,
the LGBTQ stuff, and then below that maybe there would be Well it's just
a kind of a pr move maybe, and you know, if we don't
do it, they're going to come after us. But then I think deeper
and more insidious than that is. Actually there is an assault on the nuclear
family. And like the transgender I mean, we got this memo that was
put out, it was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation in coordination with Planned Parenthood,
called the Jaffy Memo, and promoting LGBTQ stuff was seen as a way
to lower birth rates. I mean, if you castraight children, they're never
going to reproduce. And so underneath it all, it brings us back to
the Good Club meeting where overpopulation. They a lot of these guys are Malthusian.
They think the Earth is overpopulated. And Musk, by the way,
I would applaud him because he's one of the only voices out there that's saying,
actually, no, the Earth isn't overpopulated. There's more than enough resources.
We could triple the population worldwide. You know, we did find multiple
studies that found that the entire population eight billion people could fit on like the
island of New Zealand if they lived is densely populated as people do in Manhattan.
So not that anybody would want to all live eight billion people on New
Zealand, but there's there's plenty of space, there are plenty of resources.
The one resource that they always fail to take into account when they say we're
running out of resources is human ingenuity. And there was that famous debate that
was, you know, the population bomb, where you know, Paul Erlick
says that we're going to run out of everything, and the Simon Erlick wager
where it says, Okay, if Erlick, if you're right we're running out
of resources, then everything we will pick four commodities, they'll go They'll absolutely
go up in price. In the next decade they went down in price.
So human ingenuity will always find new ways to find new resources. But they
do still to this day, believe that the Earth is overpopulated. So I
think that kind of you know, nuclear families produce children, and then deeper
even under than that, And Tucker Carlson talks about this is getting women into
the workforce, having people not want to go home and stay with their family
or take care of their kids. It's actually a more productive workforce. You
know, you have more people working more of the time, so Blackrock.
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Tucker, he made a point about the kind of the so called robber barons
of the Gilded Age, and you can you think back to the Rockefeller family
obviously. One thing I always think about is the Apple store in downtown DC.
It's in Mount Vernon Square and Steve Jobs. It's an old Carnegie Library
and Steve Jobs, not Steve Jobs, Tim Cook put a ton of money
into revitalizing it, remodeling it, and he turned it into an Apple store.
And it's just this amazing symbol of contrast, I think, between prior
eras of ultra wealthy people and the current era of ultra wealthy people, which
sees everything, even their charity, as a sort of business expense. And
I'm sure that was true with some of the Robber Barons to in fact,
I know it is true of some of the Rocker parents. But when it
comes to their charitable giving, it seems to me like so much of the
Bill Gates and George store is actually political. So when they're talking about women
in Africa, that's political. When they're talking about it, all sort of
comes back to this broader ideological worldview that's sort of easy for them to greenwash
or whatever it is. How I mean, do they give significant money to
causes that everyone can agree on? That sounds like a ridiculous and naive question,
but I actually do wonder what they're so the breakdown of their charitable giving
looks like because it seems to me like it all goes back to the ideology.
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, if you were to make
a pie chart of their giving, certainly they give to you know, some
library or some school, and you know, without looking at all, you
know, there's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of individual grants without
looking at all of them. But I looked at enough of them in the
libraries and school you wish they would just build a beautiful library. Right.
But now like the school giving, Yeah, it's like lap tops that have
new software that is like social and social emotional learning and like ways to program
children. It's not just like a here like we're going to fund the school
lunches. It's here, we're going to fund the school lunches. And why
don't you guys try the cricket cricket based proteins or at least you know a
lot of soy in the diet, so every you know, even the things
on the surface level that look like, oh good, they're helping kids or
they're helping hospitals, you know, it's there's there's something deeper underneath it.
In nine out of ten cases, my last question shaves. This is so
fascinating, but I also just wanted to get your take on where people go
where you think people go too far? So for all of the obvious uh
reality, now that some of these conspiracy theories, like what's the meme about
Alex Jones, Like it turned out to be right about the frogs being gay?
Whatever it is, there's just like, you know, it seems like
a lot of this thing stuff has become much more open and obvious to everyone.
Klaus Schwab's basically saying all the previously quiet parts out loud now. But
where do you think people who look at these issues and you know, are
maybe ahead of the curve and you know, realizing that these are kind of
grand conspiracies and unthinkable ways, where are the areas where, having studied this
really closely, you think maybe people push too far. I don't know if
it's like, is there a particular theory, is there a particular I guess
mistake people make when looking at this in a way that's too conspiratorial, or
is the worst all like totally true and just you know they really are trying
to turn the frogs guy, Yeah, that's how funny meme Like what's the
difference or what's what is a conspiracy theorist? It's like someone who figures out
the truth a couple of years early. So I mean they published, they
published their plans openly. I mean, just just last week there was this
un event that Bill Gates was a participant of as a UN sponsored event the
Rockefeller Foundation co sponsored, and it was all about digital ID and how it's
called fifty in fifty we're going to have fifty countries. I'm sorry, fifty
within fifty in five fifty countries in five years will implement a digital ID regime.
And so one of the digital I you know, make the case that
digital ID and a digital currency are like the end. You know, once
they that's that's a Chinese style social credit score. If you posted something bad,
your digital ID is linked to your digital currency. I mean they've talked
about how they can make a digital currency you have an expiration date. So
I think that. But once these plans are revealed and once enough people push
back, they relent. They you know, they go back the World Economic
Forum, people go back to the drawing board like okay, maybe maybe another
five years. So you saw it was like Agenda twenty one turned into the
Millennium Development Goals and people with Alex Jones or you know whoever. We're freaking
out about Agenda twenty one back in the nineties, and then they changed the
name and they rebranded it to the Millennium Development Goals. That was by two
thousand, that got a rebrand to the Sustainable Development Goals which have now been
rolled into this plan called Agenda twenty thirty. And you can go look it
all up, I mean Agenda twenty thirty. Yeah, certainly you'll find a
bunch of conspiracy theory websites, but I encourage you to read the actual websites,
you know, the UN's website on what they are planning to do.
The plans are all out in the open, and once enough people realize that,
you know, spread the word to tell your friends and family. Without
you got to know the facts. You always have to be armed with the
facts and be conversant in the issue. Nobody's really on board with a lot
of these things, I mean they and so the only the only hope we
have is to wake up our friends and family to what's going on around us.
Yeah, it's funny to think about it because again one of the reasons
that I love throw them all out, and I mean all of those books
actually is that there's there's some clear cynical competence and then sometimes there's so much
incompetence and you may feel the same way as Shamous, But having done this
and Ben and DC for over a decade, it's it's like, obviously way
more like Veep than West Wing. And so many times people say something as
a conspiracy and it's actually just like the people running our government and our business
sector sector are idiots, like they're incompetent. So I guess that's that's my
actual last question, Seamus, is what you take is on how some of
this actually does occasionally come down to just incompetence even that even still though it
seems like you know, you you dug into this and it really is a
thirty thousand foot kind of master vision of how the world should look. Yeah,
that's right. I mean that. So, you know, I took
about eight books before I realized that the daily food fights going on in Congress
and what today I say today or you know what Scavin do. So I
mean that you can can ever confusing competence with conspiracy. There's also a lot
of laziness in the government, so when they get handed beautifully drafted very smart
sounding white paper. They will just take that and run with it. And
when everybody is around them is running with it, they all get on the
same page. So the conspiracy certainly isn't happening in Congress and is not even
a conspiracy because it's out in the open. But that's why we followed the
money to the top and really found out really, I mean, Schweizer calls
this the playbook for the next five years, and so that's what it is.
It's the people above Congress who are feeding Congress and the politicians the talking
points. You saw it with the pandemic. I mean, the pandemic wasn't
you know, the lockdowns and the mass mandates that didn't come from the government.
The government doesn't do any really good studying. That's all funded by Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation type organizations who then hand all of your local officials like,
oh here, look, masking really works. And you know people with
the comments that are like how does a mask prevent you know, air?
I mean, I can see my breath in the cold coming all around the
mass. So it's not Congress who's making all these making all these plans.
They're just kind of being handed the script and reading from it, which is
exactly what you mentioned about the Green New Deal, just Lands and Alexander Ocossio
Cortez a sort of deucfolidiat lap and ends up becoming Yeah, that makes sense.
You can make a name for yourself and it's safe. You know.
It's like if you've got the backing of I mean, the characters in this
book have over a trillion dollar net worth combined, you know, personal net
worth over one trillion dollars. That's some pretty powerful backing. So if they
hand you something to read, you know that you've got a lot of defense
when you go out on a limb, as some of them do. Yeah,
no, that makes sense. Well. The book is once again called
Control of Arcs, exposing the billionaire class, their secrets, their secret deals,
and the globaliss plot to dominate your life. It's out November fourteenth.
It's available for pre order before that. Shamus, thank you so much much
for joining us and sharing some of your research here. Always a pleasure.
Emily, thank you. Of course you've been listening to another edition of The
Federalist Radio Hour. I'mm. L. A. Dashinski, culture editor here
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