1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,960 know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,960 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,519 our heads. Classic fly. He's also really stunning into clearing. He turned 5 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,079 over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:28,160 and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show 7 00:00:28,839 --> 00:00:32,679 during the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, and 8 00:00:32,799 --> 00:00:37,799 don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello, and 9 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:42,240 welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host, and welcome to the 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,479 show. And we have a good one for you. This evening. We 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:50,479 have our guest Mark D'Antonio. He's a repeat guest, and we're gonna be 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:57,000 talking anywhere from possible alien and alien detection he doesn't know that yet, to 13 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:02,719 space junk, which I really want to talk about it's very interesting to me, 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:08,079 to the new Mars insight lander. Also, China has landed a high 15 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:15,640 definition lander on the Moon and taking some interesting images. Also, I want 16 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,519 to announce that after this show tonight eight thirty pm et Mark will be doing 17 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,640 some type of show. He's going to talk to us about where anyone can 18 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,640 join in. It's actually through his telescope and all that, so we're going 19 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,439 to talk about that as well. He has a little observatory right on his 20 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:37,120 property in Connecticut, and so that will be fun. And so just a 21 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:42,040 couple of things. We are alive. Anyone can watch the full shows on 22 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:46,239 YouTube's on youtubes. Is there more than one YouTube? No? Just YouTube 23 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,680 every Tuesday night at eight I'm sorry, six to eight and that's Eastern Standard 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,959 time. You can also check out our website and on our website you can 25 00:01:55,959 --> 00:02:00,359 watch it there as well, and it's also on KGr A radio the same 26 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:02,200 time. We have a chat room over there. In a chat room on 27 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,560 YouTube, you're welcome to join in. We have Amanda helping us out with 28 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,319 a chat tonight, going to be sending questions for forwarding questions to myself to 29 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:19,120 ask Mark from both chat rooms actually, so that should be interesting. We 30 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:23,840 will will take calls in the second the second hour of the show too as 31 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:28,240 well. And let's see. I want to thank everyone that helps out with 32 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,319 the show. I really do appreciate it. Without your help. I couldn't 33 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:37,159 do that. We also have a blog that Chris wrote in Tasmania Send it 34 00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:42,039 in and it's about Jeremy Corbell and as recent, Lazar a movie that's coming 35 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:46,319 out and today I believe it's out today, is today the fourth? Yes 36 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,479 it is. I do believe it's today that it has come out. So 37 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,159 anyway, all that is on podcast ufo dot com. We also have an 38 00:02:53,199 --> 00:03:00,919 active Facebook page with over twenty five thousand people and news stories posted every day. 39 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,319 Peggy helps out with that. I want to thank her for doing that, 40 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,599 and all right, I guess we're ready to roll. Alejandro, thank 41 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:15,199 you for hello, my friend. Yeah, thank you for joining us as 42 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:20,159 usual and my pleasure. We missed you last week, so it's good to 43 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:23,439 have you back. Oh was I not on? Yeah, you were doing 44 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:30,919 the you're going to the airport to the airport? Was it last week or 45 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,280 the week before last week? I think was when I was trying to do 46 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,919 something and it was the internet was crappy in my room? Oh that apologized, 47 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:42,560 Yeah, yeah, we tried to do a precord and that that didn't 48 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,759 work. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, Hey, real bad about that. 49 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:52,199 I'm sure you did at the I did, but at the at risk 50 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,639 of upsetting. I mean, I got my whole background, and I made 51 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:59,280 sure I've even got like back here. I know, I probably shouldn't move 52 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:03,000 my camera, but I got a whole little UFO high tech setting back there. 53 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,280 I could see Mark here on my end already, and he gave me 54 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,080 the thumbs up there, so he enjoys it. Yeah, yeah, you 55 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:16,040 have quite a bit of a paraphernalia I do. Yeah. Wow, just 56 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,399 because we keep getting more and more stuff for this store, the UFO Congress 57 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:25,839 Store. We've got all kinds of UFO junkies and alien junkies and stuff like 58 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:29,480 that. And Mark spent some time here your guests. Actually, just a 59 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,680 few weeks ago. He spent a few days hanging out here and checking out 60 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,920 our collection. And we've gotten even more since he's been here. So he 61 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:44,079 inspired us. His strange alien like behavior really helped us think out of the 62 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,000 box. Now, those little UFO that thing that's actually what a tip tip 63 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:53,480 camera listen for. This is for YouTube only, of course, But is 64 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:59,800 that actually it actually it's not touching the ground, right, It's it's actually 65 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,319 covering See that it's electromagnet. Actually hovering and I like its alien anti gravity 66 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:09,879 technol of course, which Mark will tell you, yes, Stephen Greer is 67 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,319 harness that somehow right. Um, anyway, I sorry I slipped that in 68 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,040 there. Now do you do you sell those actually on your website? We 69 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,000 do, So this is a black one. I think we're out of him. 70 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,680 I think you you know Dale, remember Dale, he's an artist too. 71 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:30,040 Yeah, he bought the I think the last one of this color. 72 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,639 But we have some more that are all gray and all silver. They're actually 73 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,000 super super cool. Actually I don't even know which is my favorite because they're 74 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,360 all equally cool. Let's just quickly tell who Dale is. He's up. 75 00:05:43,519 --> 00:05:46,600 Was it the Simpsons? Was that? Yeah, he's an art character designer 76 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:51,839 for The Simpsons. So in fact, he's done me and uh, we've 77 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,680 got a whole set because of course at Open Minds, Jason McClellan used to 78 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,800 work there and Maureen Elsberry, so he did as kind of doing a podcast 79 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:04,560 radio show, which was kind of cool. And he's got one of Lee 80 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,879 Spiegel and a few others that he's done. Triangle. Well that's not a 81 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:15,759 yeah, he simpsonized all of us. That's what I was talking about. 82 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,199 But yes, he did do that artwork of Lee Spiegel's amazing sighting. And 83 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:26,279 what's great about Lee Spiageles sighting is that it he went to this location at 84 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,759 the behest of Jay Allan Heineck, who, of course is the real life 85 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,279 person who is going to be portrayed in this new History Channel television show called 86 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:42,079 Project Bluebook here that starts in January, right right, That will be fun. 87 00:06:42,079 --> 00:06:44,839 I can't wait for that to get going. I got to see the 88 00:06:44,879 --> 00:06:48,279 last couple episodes. We already talked about that. I think your show so 89 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:53,759 possibly it's really good. Though it was, it's really cool. And have 90 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,680 you ever had Bryce Zabel on your show? Ye, Hollywood guy. So 91 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,480 Bryce Zabel did the show Dark Skies. And what was interesting is I was 92 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,319 going to expecting that they were going to try to do an X Files type 93 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:10,759 of show with this Project blue Book, but it's actually much more Dark Skies. 94 00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:14,240 It really felt like Dark Skies. I even emailed Bryce. I was 95 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:16,279 like, hey, I just saw the first couple of episodes of Project blue 96 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:18,199 Book. I'm not sure if you got to a premier. He said, 97 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,480 no, why is it like Dark Skies? And I was like, yeah, 98 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:27,000 exactly. It reminded me very much of your show, just because it's 99 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,319 historic and if anybody remembers Dark Skies, you know, it was more you 100 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,279 know, accurate towards speculation about you know, government conspiracies and stuff. And 101 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,079 of course this is based on real Project Blue Book cases, but they add 102 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:45,800 this conspiracy stuff, so they even add men in black and stuff like this, 103 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,680 stuff that Heineck really didn't get involved with necessarily, but of course they've 104 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,879 got to add some drama to the show. And many speculate that I even 105 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,360 had the guy on You've had him too, I think the guy who wrote 106 00:07:57,399 --> 00:08:03,399 the recent autobiography or a recent biography of Jay Allen Heineken, and he says, 107 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,160 you know, nobody knows. There are hints that Heineck felt that they 108 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,399 were hiding information from him, but nobody knows for sure how Heineck felt about 109 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:16,560 that, or if he knew more than he led on. But we all 110 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,199 know from this this memo when they did close Project blue Book, the Bowling 111 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,439 Germ memo, where this general essentially said, I go ahead and close Boot 112 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:33,720 blue Book because we send the most interesting cases elsewhere. Anyway, I got 113 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,320 to know Tom Snyder talk show host. Are you familiar with who? Really? 114 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,159 Yes, very much so the white hair, Yeah, yeah, guy 115 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:45,759 dan Aykroyd used to imitate him. Actually, he said he was actually friends 116 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:50,360 with dan Ackroid. He thought that the imitation was a riot. But anyway, 117 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,000 I'm still in touch with Pam Burke. That's her, that's his wife, 118 00:08:54,320 --> 00:09:01,679 a widow. And I saw something about Tom Snyder interviewing jay Ellen Heineck, 119 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:03,480 so I said, hey, Pam, what did you think of jay 120 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,679 Ellen Heineck. And she said, oh my god, that was one of 121 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,840 my very, very favorite and Tom's favorite guests. She certainly had such a 122 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,759 sense of humor. It was really it was really great to talk to her 123 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:20,440 about it. And that's fascinating, you know. I got to I don't 124 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,960 know if I told you this, because I guess I haven't been on because 125 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,440 I was at Alien Con also a few weeks ago and in Baltimore, and 126 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,919 I was doing several different talks and one of them was about Spielberg. In 127 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,159 the beginning of the show, I talked about Close Encounters, which was inspired 128 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,279 by Heineck. So I go over Heineck a bunch and I talked about how 129 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,360 great Heineck is. I even mentioned how excited I am about this new History 130 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,480 Channel show. Well, at the end of my talk, this guy walks 131 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,679 up to me and I says, I'm Paul Heineck. This is Heineck's son, 132 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,159 and I said, thank you for all the nice things you said about 133 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,679 my father. So that was really cool. But I did include a video 134 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,600 of ye where he makes a joke about flying saucers. And remember, if 135 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,840 you are offended by this joke at all, it's Heinek who said it, 136 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,279 not me first. But he said, if you want to see a flying 137 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,679 saucer, one of the jokes is if and he was complaining about the term 138 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,759 flying saucer, but he said, one of the jokes out there is if 139 00:10:18,759 --> 00:10:22,240 you want to see a flying saucer, just goose the waitress. Jeez, 140 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:28,840 I'm glad you didn't say that. Yeah, yeah, I would never say. 141 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,600 He never knew of the me too movement, you know what I mean? 142 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:35,000 Right, Yeah, that was prior to that. That was the the 143 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,159 men behaving badly or whatever kind of era. Yeah, for like millennia. 144 00:10:41,159 --> 00:10:43,360 Yeah, all right, well you got you got anything going on in the 145 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,960 UFO world this week? Yeah, I mean you mentioned it. The Lazarre 146 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,360 movie launched today. I'm looking at my email and let's see, because I 147 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,279 did already see it. I got a preview copy to look at and I 148 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:05,159 can answer any questions about it if you want. But it did launch today 149 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:07,399 too, because I did pay for it, because there's extras, and I 150 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,000 want to help support Jeremy because he's a buddy. And I got my email 151 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:16,320 at one am. I pre ordered it to download it. So yeah, 152 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,799 it is out there today if you want to check it out. Lots of 153 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:24,679 people excited it was if you go to Jeremy's instagram, which is great because 154 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,360 you can see all of the excitement, you know, the big line of 155 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,240 people outside of the theater, so very exciting. I'm bummed I couldn't be 156 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,360 there. But Dale, the friend we just talked about, was there. 157 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:45,480 I know that Jason McClellan was there, and Ryan Sprague and David Navarro, 158 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,879 the rock guy, you know that the rocker. He was there. He 159 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,120 was instagramming about it last night and it looked like he got to actually talk 160 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,960 with Bob Lazar, who was there. I didn't even realize Bob Lazar was 161 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,120 going to be there. So yeah, pretty interesting. Um stuff now, 162 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:07,360 I am curious if it's okay to talk about that right now, about what 163 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,559 this blog post is kind of the gist of the blog post, and also 164 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,799 if you don't mind, I kind of would like to bring Mark on and 165 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,879 Mark he's listening. I can see him his camera there waiting on the iss 166 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,799 or. It looks like he's in a submarine or something. But I sent 167 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:26,919 a link in the chat if you could look at that, because there is 168 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:33,159 a UFO video that's kind of making the rounds right now and the kind of 169 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,240 discuss that next our skype chap. Oh. I don't know if I can 170 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,360 get to that right now with the way things are. Hopefully Mark can, 171 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,840 because I like Mark took look at Yeah, now I talk about it Mark. 172 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,600 So let me introduce Mark. Repeat guests Mark D'Antonio. We're gonna pull 173 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,919 him up on the screen a little bulory, but that's all right. I 174 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,519 want to hear about this blog post on Lazar or did you read it yet? 175 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,519 Did I read my own blog post? Oh? You posted it? 176 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,879 Yeah, it's on my website on podcast UFO. It's from a gentleman Chris. 177 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:09,720 He's been writing guest blogs from Tasmania and basically you read it. I 178 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,120 read through it late last night. I can't remember the gist of it, 179 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,440 though, is that he thinks is you know, definitely a lot to the 180 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:24,799 Bob Blazar story. And I actually have gotten a few emails today of people 181 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:26,639 saying, you know, what do you have against Bob Blazar. I don't 182 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:33,799 have anything against Bob Blazar. I just question certain things like his education, 183 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:37,840 his claimed education. And when someone claims one thing and it turns out to 184 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:41,919 be wrong, then I kind of question. It's kind of like the appraiser 185 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,600 in me, the antiques appraiser. I question everything and one part of something's 186 00:13:45,639 --> 00:13:50,679 wrong. So that's that's basically it, you know. I mean, now 187 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,840 that makes sense, and people will ask, and there's has been these comments, 188 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,840 what does Stanton have against Bob Blazar or something? You know, people 189 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,519 are looking at it wrong. You don't have to. This is about, 190 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,559 you know, getting to the truth and to the facts. And just because 191 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,039 someone seems nice, like there are some researchers, Well I met this person. 192 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,600 That's why I can say they're telling the truth. Well, just because 193 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,799 you've met them, and even just because you like them, doesn't mean that 194 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,159 what they're saying is completely accurate. So it's in comment upon people like us 195 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,240 who are out there trying to share information to heavily scrutinize, you know, 196 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,080 what people are saying, and especially someone like Stanton, when they hear, 197 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,120 you know, information that they follow up on, like the education or the 198 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,799 science, then they have to say, hey, this science is wrong. 199 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,879 I know this to be wrong. Even if they're like, I'm sorry, 200 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,679 but you know, you've still got to convince me that this science is correct. 201 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:52,759 So you know, I think those are It's always it's fair that we 202 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,840 be critical of people. I always go back to Sagan. You know, 203 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:01,279 extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so we need to seek that. Actually, 204 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:05,559 it wasn't Sagan that coin that phrase, but but I get what it 205 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,039 is, isn't it. No, No, it was someone before. Really 206 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:11,399 yeah, he stole it from someone else and took all the credit. Oh 207 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,960 my gosh, yeah he'll Joe, go ahead and google that. If you 208 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,559 don't believe me, listener, I believe I get the Haide mail. Hey, 209 00:15:18,639 --> 00:15:20,759 I want to introduce Mark d' antonio because I started too and I forgot 210 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:24,679 why I changed. It's my fault. I distracted you, And it's okay. 211 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:31,600 He needs almost no introduction at all. He's an astronomer and he does 212 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,879 a great show. He's also on KGr A radio and does a thing, 213 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,919 a SkyWatch thing I joined the other night. Actually not a SkyWatch. It 214 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,840 was actually talking about the moon. We can talk about that. Mark d' 215 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:46,399 antonio, welcome back. Hey, thank you so much for having me. 216 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Hey, Alejandro, how are you doing, buddy? Hey? But we 217 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:52,519 had a good time when we were. When I was out there, I 218 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,399 was doing a talk for the Phoenix Move On and then I had to teach 219 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,720 a week later in the desert for the boot camp for the Mutual U network 220 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,559 and Alandro said, hey, come spend a few days with us. So 221 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,759 I did, and it was a wonderful time. And I got to play 222 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,080 with those little UFOs that were hovering, and I gotta tell you, I 223 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,120 had a lot of fun with that, you know, a lot of phone. 224 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,080 Yeah, Mark and I were like kids playing with all of our toys. 225 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,399 We did a bunch of astro photography, which was a lot of fun, 226 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:30,519 and uh we made a video about you know, uh misidentifying you know, 227 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,559 certain things like bugs as UFOs or birds. And then Mark played a 228 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:37,840 little bit at Didgerido. So if you want to see him doing some did 229 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,720 you redo, you can go to the Open Minds YouTube and see that. 230 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:45,000 But it was it was really fun. I felt like a little kid, 231 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:48,960 like you know when you're you were a little and you gotta go home. 232 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,240 Your mom comes and picked you up, and you're like, good, what 233 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,240 a go. It was kind of sad seeing Mark leave. We had a 234 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,360 lot of fun fault actually, because you know Aljandro's He's basically lives in a 235 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,759 giant toy you know, and you too, look at your place. I 236 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:07,880 well, okay, my place notwithstanding. Okay, yeah, Mark, you're 237 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,160 forgetting I've been there so I can vouch for that. Yeah you have, 238 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,640 yeah, yeah, yeah, And you do the FX models for Also, 239 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:18,519 do you want to talk? Why don't you just say quickly to the listener 240 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:22,640 who has not heard you before, what those what that's all about? Yeah? 241 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,480 I mean FX models. Letter F Letter X Models is a visual effects 242 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,359 company that I started back in nineteen ninety five, believe it or not. 243 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:36,319 And I started it as a way to start making these very elaborate, very 244 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,519 detailed models for movies and commercials and so forth. Well, it turned out 245 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:41,960 that all you working an awful lot for the Navy, and I spent a 246 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:47,759 lot of time working for the Navy many years actually, uh doing these projects. 247 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,880 And the benefit of FX models was that I learned a whole host of 248 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,400 new techniques, especially when I was working alone a lot of the time. 249 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,799 I had to be smart about it. I had to learn how to work 250 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,559 alone. And that was much better for me because I ended up, you 251 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:08,880 know, creating and getting machinery to help me do all this. That led 252 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,920 to getting into astronomy more because I got my degree in astronomy, as you 253 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,559 know, and I've been an astronomer for science centers and so forth. And 254 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,599 so what I did was I ended up putting an observatory on the front lawn. 255 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,000 So it looks like a big white minion out there, okay, but 256 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,920 a roundheads like it's like Stuart, you know, but we're Tonight is a 257 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,720 special streaming night you know for skytro a live stream it's called and that's on 258 00:18:34,759 --> 00:18:38,559 YouTube, and it's a companion stream to sky to A Radio, which, 259 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:42,880 as you mentioned, is the Kgrara radio radio show that we do Sunday nights 260 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:51,000 at nine pm Eastern and so skytur live stream tonight is special because we're actually 261 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:57,319 doing something a little different. We're actually using the observatory completely remotely because this 262 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:06,640 observatory is being prepared to get shipped to Arizona. And yeah, and it's 263 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,440 still something that we're planning on doing. And so to that end, I 264 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:15,359 have to really make this thing robust and standalone so that no matter what, 265 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:21,079 I can operate it and run anything that goes wrong through the Internet. So 266 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,640 that's what I'm doing today. Uh, and tonight's stream is going to be 267 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,799 the first time we debut this new process and procedure. So, uh, 268 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,920 tune in if you want to see things either horribly wrong and laugh your butts 269 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,680 off or watch things go wonderfully right. Yeah, now, how can they 270 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,160 find it? Mark? It's a skytur live stream, that's Skytrough all one 271 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,519 word, live stream, all one word and it's on YouTube and it's probably 272 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,200 showing there now, like if someone wanted to save it. Um so, 273 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,279 and is that kind of is that a regular h that's a regular show that 274 00:19:52,319 --> 00:19:56,240 you do? Right? Well, it's it's a it's a clear that's a 275 00:19:56,279 --> 00:20:02,759 clear night stream that I do. And you know, Amanda Curran, who 276 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:06,799 is my co host on Skytour Radio is also my co host on skytro livestream, 277 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:08,799 So it's all things sky to Her, everything sky to Her for us, 278 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:14,079 So we actually do she has she creates sky to Her News, she 279 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,759 has sky to Her stories and a whole bunch of other things that she does 280 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:21,480 that are really cool. And the sky Tour arena, and then I do 281 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:25,920 the live stream, and I'm part of a bigger picture which is called astro 282 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Imaginglive dot com. That's the website, and there we have Bill New York 283 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Skywatcher, who's actually one of Kjerry's producers, and we have P and K 284 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:37,200 Paul and Keith p and K space Imaging. Those guys look at the moon 285 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,000 and the planets, Bill new York Skywatchers looks at meteors and big meteor showers. 286 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,319 And then I'm the one that looks at the deep sky objects. So 287 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,960 we go to particular objects in the sky. We look at comets, we 288 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:52,319 look at asteroids, we look at deep space nebula, all these things, 289 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,079 and we take people on a tour. And I don't just show them. 290 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,160 I mean, I'm an astronomer, so I tell people about them, and 291 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,119 I give them a little idea of what they're looking at. Now, when 292 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,359 Alle hundred and I went out, basically that's evolved into playing with glazers on 293 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,720 the mountain in the distance, and we were just drawing our names in the 294 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,400 mountain with lasers and stuff. That was really cool. Karen did a perfect 295 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,319 staring. Wow. Yeah, I couldn't leave it. I laughed because I 296 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:17,680 didn't think she'd possibly do it. And then she turns around and she does 297 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,200 a perfect star the first time. I was like, wow, Okay, 298 00:21:19,559 --> 00:21:23,119 you're gonna have to share that picture. It's a good one. We have 299 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,079 about four minutes to the break coming up, so allhund what is it exactly? 300 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,839 Did you want to ask? Mark? Yeah, sorry, I'll leave 301 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:33,519 it at the break, And I just wanted to say one of the news 302 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:40,519 stories out there is a UFO at the outer Banks, So yeah, I 303 00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,559 figured you did, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. It is 304 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:48,839 a spectacular looking video because you see two or three lights out over the ocean 305 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:56,039 that are very bright, and but to me, I believe them to be 306 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,480 flares. Some people disagree, and Mark can speak more. Two days. 307 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,559 People say, well, flares, you can see smoke, you can see 308 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:07,279 them descending. Uh, they flicker and none of those things are necessarily true. 309 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,160 I see flares often. They can be very bright, these new military 310 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,519 flares. They're falling at such a slow speed that they don't look like they're 311 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:21,079 falling at all. And they've got video on their minds showing this. You're 312 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:25,279 right, yeah, so they they are flares can and you don't see the 313 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,559 smoke on these flares either, So uh, that's what do you think, 314 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:34,599 Mark, what do you think they are? I actually photographed exactly this type 315 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,440 of thing when I was in Arizona, because when I was out in the 316 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,599 desert, I had my own private Phoenix lights. Basically, uh Luke Air 317 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Force Base was doing maneuvers and they were dropping parachute flares and when they did 318 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:51,079 uh and those flares had to be seventy miles away from me at least. 319 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:52,839 And when you look at these two bright lights, you know, these these 320 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,640 two bright lights are on the horizon. They looked eerie, they looked unearthly. 321 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:00,880 But the thing is they're not unearthly. And when you zoom in on 322 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,880 them with a camera and get up close, you can see the smoke. 323 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,119 The smoke is not visible to your eye because it's such a low surface brightness 324 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,920 to the smoke, but it's there. And then of course these flares are 325 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:17,119 descending actually at a rather at a parachute type rate. They're really nothing, 326 00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:19,319 and I think you're absolutely correct. I'm with you on this. I think 327 00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:23,559 these are actually parachute flares. Sorry, guys, I know some people are 328 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,200 going to get upset, but well they can be upset with me then, 329 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,039 because you know, yeah, I agree, you know that these aren't probably 330 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:33,200 well I have to say ninety nine point nine percent that I believe these are 331 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,319 parachute players because they never change orientation relative to each other. They're descending at 332 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:45,640 a rate that's concurrent, and well that's actually, you know, coincidentally like 333 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,960 the same for parachute flare drop. So I don't see any reason why these 334 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,480 aren't parachute flares. And the is the important thing. Well, the cameras 335 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,359 not picking it up as well. But it's an unearthly shade of orange that 336 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,920 these things look, and I'm sure it was startling. We have just like 337 00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,680 a minute or so to break, so I just want to say the phoenix 338 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:07,000 lights, you know, a lot of the or I think maybe perhaps all 339 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,400 the video that you see. We have one minute left toll break that you 340 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,960 see is flares. There may be one that is not. Possibly there's only 341 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,480 one I'm aware of that might not be flares. But the rest, yes, 342 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,200 you're right, are are the flares, because at ten o'clock there was 343 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,119 there were flares. Now I'm not sure though, because from eight o'clock earlier 344 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,160 in the day there were sightings out around the Phoenix area and all the way 345 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,960 up to like Kingman and Needles just over the border in California. I don't 346 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,720 think those were flares, but certainly the ten pm were flares over Goldwater And 347 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:47,400 I think Mark will concur with O and that really that really kind of that 348 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,400 was if they were going to cover up, they did a really good job, 349 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,640 because yeah, it's not apparent whether they were trying to do that. 350 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,000 We don't have any evidence that they were definitely trying to but you're exactly right. 351 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,680 If they were doing that, it was a g yest way to distract 352 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,000 people. Absolutely. Okay, it's time to go to break. So all 353 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:07,640 right, thank you so much, Alajundro. I appreciate ye, have a 354 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,079 great show. Thank you, and all right everyone, we'll be back with 355 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:17,279 Mark d' antonio in just a second. After these messages well, let's be 356 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,119 right back. So I don't hundred you're still on, Yeah, you can 357 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,279 stay so good? Yeah, Okay for the break here, yeah, why 358 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,599 not because we're doing Mike this is on YouTube still right, the break, 359 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:34,279 that's right. Yeah. And usually in the break we take either questions or 360 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:38,119 we talk about something that we weren't talking about, soum. So it doesn't, 361 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720 you know, mess up when we get back on KGRA A Radio open. 362 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:42,640 Well. I don't know if you were going to ask Mark this, 363 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,279 but I want to hear what Mark thinks of Lazarre, And for both of 364 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,279 you, I would like to have this discussion again after you see Jeremy's film, 365 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,119 because there is some new stuff here and Lazar speaks for himself and some 366 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,039 of the things that I think all three of us are critical of. But 367 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,119 what do you think Mark? Actually, Um, I listened to George Nori 368 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,440 interview Bob Lazarre the other night. It was an older an older show probably, 369 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,440 but it was Jeremy Corbell was there with Bob Lazar and there were actually 370 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,680 yeah, by might say older show, I mean it was like last week 371 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,759 or two weeks ago, you know or whatever. It was so um but 372 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,799 yeah, uh and listening to that, I started listening to the show kind 373 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,559 of with that skeptical approach, thinking, you know, I've heard all the 374 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,400 things about him and all these things. But then listening to him respond, 375 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:36,519 I actually got the impression that, you know, he might actually there might 376 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:41,279 be something to him more than I think he believes what he's saying. Well, 377 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,240 that's my point. I was anna say that he believes what he's telling 378 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,279 you, you know, and so, but then again, I always believe 379 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,960 what I'm telling you too, So it does I could be a blatant liar, 380 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,240 I guess as well, or something. I don't know if that's what 381 00:26:56,279 --> 00:27:00,599 he is, or you could be telling the truth or yes, or you 382 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,480 keep telling the truth. And the fact is we don't have the information to 383 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,880 judge him negatively or positively. We have to take it for what it is 384 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:14,680 and let that ride. Because unless somebody comes forward and says, here's a 385 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,559 government stamp document that claims you know that, or shows that bomb Blasar is 386 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,559 exactly who he says he was, you know, then what can you say. 387 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,480 I believe that he had a clearance because he said certain things during that 388 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:30,039 during his interview. One minute, Okay, thank you he had. He 389 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:33,279 said certain things during his interview that led me to believe that he would definitely 390 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,359 have had a clearance to say what he said. I know that I had 391 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,559 one for since nineteen ninety five, all right, nowhere near as high as 392 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,839 he supposedly had, you know, So there's there's more to him than meets 393 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,880 the eye in my view. M Okay, we have less than a minute 394 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,440 left, just to let you know. Yeah, I was just gonna say 395 00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:55,960 him. I kind of like Travis Walton that there are people that, you 396 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,240 know, I take seriously in a way. They seem to believe what they're 397 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,240 saying. It's just uncomfortable because what they're saying is so strange. Um, 398 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,920 you know, it's it's so uncomfortable, but very compelling. Yeah. I 399 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:14,480 think Lazar is more compelling after hearing this than than before I heard it. 400 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,720 So I'm looking forward to the movie. No, and um, you know, 401 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,279 I watched The skin Walker Ranch one and I wasn't that excited about it. 402 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:29,519 Yeah, yeah, zar movie sounds like it's probably a better one. 403 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:32,720 Yeah, all right, I think as far as I know, I think 404 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,960 we're Um, are we ready to go back? Eric? We got about 405 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,000 thirty seconds still all right, all right, so aljundre. I guess we'll 406 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:47,039 say good night for real this time since I said all right everyone when you 407 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,519 were on it. So thanks, and uh we'll talk to you next week. 408 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:52,119 All right, talk to you guys later. I have a fun show. 409 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Thank you, see you later as audio. It's great, they'll can 410 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,160 do. All right, welcome back to the show. I'm here with Marc 411 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,440 Antonio and we are going to be talking all about all kinds of great stuff, 412 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:10,920 space stuff and uh. Mark, So where do you want to start? 413 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,200 I have a bunch of different topics I want to talk to you about. 414 00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:15,599 You want to start out with space junk or you want to start with 415 00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:21,000 the landers? I think that why don't we talk about the most recent thing, 416 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:25,119 which is the Mars Insight Lander. All right, excellent? Yeah, 417 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:29,119 So um, if you're I mean, if you want to, I can 418 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,000 just go through some of the basics and we can. You can. I 419 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,240 don't know where you want to go with that. Yeah. Yeah. First 420 00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:38,359 of all, I know that I always love to watch when Live when they 421 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,039 land in the control room where everybody is just so excited and rightly so, 422 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,799 I mean, it's their baby from you know, from the moment it takes 423 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,519 off to the lands, and it's, uh, there's so many things that 424 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,640 can go wrong, and and a lot of times they're unsuccessful, so it's 425 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,960 it's a big deal. Yeah, I mean I know that. No, 426 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,359 the United States has been more successful than other countries and getting to Marsh and 427 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,279 that's a good thing. But we've had our share of failures too. But 428 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,039 I can say this, the Mars Insight landard, I mean, that was 429 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,920 in space for six months and it all came down to the final seven minutes. 430 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,079 That final seven minutes, as you've heard them say. I'm sure in 431 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:26,160 those watching and listening have heard this was the seven minutes of terror, right, 432 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:33,160 okay, And everything, hundreds and hundreds of machine operations and different mechanisms 433 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:40,960 and bolts and explosive bolts and another hardware had to do exactly what it was 434 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,559 supposed to do. Not one thing could fail, and it didn't. And 435 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,279 as I listened to Live, I had butterflies in my stomach because you know, 436 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,240 I'm a I'm a obviously a big fan, but I think of these 437 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:59,720 these probes as if they're actually almost like people in a way, because they 438 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,319 are extension of what we are and What the Inside Lander is going to do 439 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,599 on Mars is a spectacular mission and I really really want to see it happen. 440 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,079 And I was just so, I was worried, but I was actually 441 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:18,720 confident. JPL has been running on a high ever since Spirit and Opportunity, 442 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,279 actually since Curiosity. Okay, Spirit and Opportunity. Those landers had a ninety 443 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:30,079 day life expectancy, and they went on for years and years and years, 444 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:33,920 plowing through Martian soil, winter, spring, summer, fall on Mars, 445 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:40,119 and they continued to do their jobs. And Opportunity still continues if we ever. 446 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,839 I don't know if actually we heard back yet from Opportunity. I don't 447 00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:48,519 think we did. But Spirit was stuck admired, and it has a wheel 448 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,440 that stopped working, and an opportunity during the dust storm was lost. So 449 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,079 I'm not sure if it'll ever come back, but you know, there's always 450 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:01,440 hope, right, that's right. Let's do it, so, and let's 451 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,319 talk a little bit about what its mission actually is. It's going to be 452 00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:09,799 doing sonar or something to do with the crust of Mars, is that right? 453 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,519 Yeah? Actually, there's several instruments on board the the Insight Lander, 454 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:19,720 which are really cool First of all, let's talk about where it went right. 455 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,119 When it landed and all those many things we talked about went right. 456 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:28,720 It landed in a place called Elysium Plunecia, and that is interesting because it's 457 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,119 just south of the Viking to Lander and it's just north of where the Curiosity 458 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,319 roverland that it's actually closer to where the Curiosity roverlanded than Viking. And it 459 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:44,559 has these instruments on board that are designed for very specific purposes. There's a 460 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:46,799 remote manipulator arm. It's going to be able to carry instruments off the main 461 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,200 body of the lander and drop them onto Mars and set them at a distance. 462 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:54,559 All right, And those instruments, I'll tell you what they are. 463 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:00,440 One is called the Seiss Instrument SEIS, and that stands for seismic arment or 464 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,880 internal structure. And that's going to be deployed by that remote arm. And 465 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,359 it has a little dust and thermal shield on top of it, so it 466 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,880 looks like a little bug, a little round topped bug, and it can 467 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:20,720 detect really small vibrations and I mean vibrations down to the atomic level. This 468 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720 is probably one of the most advanced seismometers. If you want to call it 469 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:30,559 that ever made And there might be liquid moving around inside Mars and this will 470 00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:36,519 be able to feel it. Right. There might be frictional vibration imparted on 471 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,119 boulders, you know, many many miles away or hundreds of miles away that 472 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,599 this this thing can feel and it'll give us an idea of how the atmosphere 473 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,119 of Mars is working, what the internal structure within Mars is. Because if 474 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,119 there's liquid water down there, it'll feel it, it'll hear it, and 475 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,640 it'll be able to look at the rhythmic patterns and figure something out based on 476 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,519 any rhythmic pattern. So if water slashing, will find it. Basically so, 477 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,680 the weather systems also cause vibrations in the in the atmosphere of Mars, 478 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,320 and these vibrations are something that are also highly important that I'll tell us, 479 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:15,599 uh, you know, a bottle, tell us more about how Mars works. 480 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,559 Because we've been there, we've drilled a little into the soil, but 481 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:22,159 we haven't done anything like this is going to do okay, because this this 482 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,039 experience has an experiment on it called the HP CUBED experiment, and that's that 483 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:31,159 stands for heat flow and physical properties probe so pp p P cubed, So 484 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,920 the heat flow and physical properties probe is going to be deployed by the remote 485 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,320 manipulated arm, a separate little unit. These are both both the U the 486 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:46,199 seismic uh deployed deployable system and the this uh HP cubed experiment are going to 487 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,960 be connected by little ribbon cables back to the mainlander. But this one, 488 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,639 this one is the heat probe is going to actually uh drill down sixteen feet 489 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,679 into the Martian surface. Sixteen feet I mean, but keep in mind, 490 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:06,519 the inside lander is the size of an old you know, convertible station wagon 491 00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,280 okay, I mean or convertible rather like like a sixties convertible. It's it's 492 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,800 not small. And each of the solar panels are like seven feet in diameter 493 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,119 and has two one on each side. I can't even imagine how they could 494 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:22,920 coordinate, like the assembolage of a drill bit, because obviously it's not a 495 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,320 sixteen foot long drill bit has to be put together somehow. Yeah, there's 496 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,119 Actually the system is really complex, of course, and it's gonna be going 497 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:38,639 down and basically hammering itself down into the surface. Okay. And the idea 498 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:42,199 is to get it sixteen feet down. And why would they do that, 499 00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,159 Well, it's gonna go down and what it's gonna do is detect something very 500 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:51,119 important, and that important thing is checking the heat that is actually escaping Mars. 501 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,280 All planets that have some type of solar you know, impingement. That 502 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,280 is to say, any solar energy striking the surface are gonna give off some 503 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,639 heat that it's going to get absorbed into the interior of the planet and then 504 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,559 the planet's going to give off some of the heat. So that's one. 505 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,840 The second thing is if the core of the planet is still semi molten on 506 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,440 Mars, all right, then you're going to get some heat that's given off 507 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,519 by that and that's going to end up getting out of the crust eventually. 508 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,719 And that's what this experiment's designed to look for, is to check the heat 509 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,920 being released by Mars. Now very important stuff. Now we've talked on sky 510 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960 to a radio and a Manda current my co host knows all about. This 511 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:35,840 is one of our favorite topics. We've talked about a special way to get 512 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,760 Mars to terraform itself. Now we know that our planet has a magnetic field, 513 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,199 the magnetic fields what keeps our atmosphere basically intact, otherwise the radiation would 514 00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:49,559 destroy it. Well, on Mars, that did happen, right, and 515 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,960 there's no magnetic field on Mars to speak of. And the atmosphere was a 516 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,880 lot thicker, but it was destroyed over time. So what we have to 517 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,079 do is restart the magnetic field of Mars. Well, how would we do 518 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:05,119 that? Well, we could restart the core. Basically, if we get 519 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,000 the core to be molten again and the outer core and the intercore Mars rub 520 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,159 against each other, they'll create electric currents which will create a magnetic field. 521 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:17,199 But guess what, that's probably far beyond even an advanced species. So what 522 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,159 else is there? Well, we could use the fact that there are points 523 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:28,800 in space around Mars where all the gravitational forces basically some to zero. So 524 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:34,239 there's like parking spots in space. These are called lagrange points. Right. 525 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,159 If we can put a unit out there from Mars at the Mars lagrange point 526 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,639 number one, which is between Mars and our Son, you know, a 527 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:49,840 few tens of millions of miles from Mars, then if that was a magnetic 528 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,239 field generator of some kind, all right, then the solar energy striking the 529 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:02,760 magnetic field would actually drape that magnetic field behind this magnetic field generator. And 530 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320 also if Mars was close enough, then it would drape it behind Mars as 531 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,840 well, and it would actually basically coat Mars with a protective sheath of a 532 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,239 magnetic field on that downwind side. Basically, and we're talking about solar wind 533 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:22,000 high energy electrons and protons that are making their way to Mars, and those 534 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:27,679 bombard the atmosphere every single day and destroy water vapor that's in the atmosphere. 535 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Well, if we can shield Mars from that process artificially with this magnetic shield, 536 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,639 and it's actually a real project on the NASA docket by the way, 537 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,199 as a magnetic shield for Mars. If we could do that, then we 538 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:45,480 would find that we'd have a Mars that is a lot more conducive to letting 539 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,559 the water vapors stay in the atmosphere. And if that happens, it'll get 540 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:52,159 warmer and the polar caps will begin to melt these coo too. The carbon 541 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:57,840 dioxide parts of the polar caps will will sublimate and go away and become carbon 542 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,000 dioxide, making the atmosphere heavier. With this greenhouse gas, and that will 543 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:05,119 make it warmer again, and the water will begin to melt, the water 544 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,679 ice, which there's a lot of on Mars, and if it melts, 545 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,840 then we can have a thicker atmosphere. And if we have a thicker atmosphere, 546 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,679 well then you see, Mars is terraforming itself. Because Mars generates water 547 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,119 vapor all the time, is just destroyed, you know, by the ultraviolet 548 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,440 radiation that's impacting it from the Sun. A magnetic shield would prevent that, 549 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:30,280 you see. So we actually see a way to actually do real terraforming at 550 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,599 Mars and we don't even have to touch the planet. Amazing. I'm going 551 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,519 to ask you the hypothetical. I know no scientist likes to answer hypothetical, 552 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,800 but now we do know that there was there's signs of water and possibly a 553 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,599 lot of water on Mars at one time, and flowing streams of flowing rivers, 554 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,079 or you know, there's there's you know st stony brooks, I mean 555 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,119 Brooks, What am I trying to say? Brookstones, you know, smooth 556 00:39:55,159 --> 00:40:01,599 over stones and everything from running water. The hypothetical is, do you think 557 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,400 would you think that it's possible that there was life on Mars or not at 558 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:15,280 one time. Actually, I don't think that's too far fetched. We talk 559 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:21,599 about microbial life, advanced life, I would probably say not enough to you 560 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,719 know, look at what happened here. We were kind of in the quote 561 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,119 unquote perfect location, and yet our planet is still far from perfect. We've 562 00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,760 had five major extinction events that it killed a lot of life on this planet, 563 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,880 up to ninety six percent of it at one time, okay, and 564 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:40,800 yet we survived, we persisted. You know, a couple hundred million years 565 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,079 ago, the Permian period was in full force and mammals like we are were 566 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:50,679 dominant at a time. But then there was this great dying in ninety six 567 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,559 percent of the species died. But dinosaurs, the reptiles, the larger reptiles, 568 00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:59,920 they were relatively unaffected. And this started the age of the reptiles. 569 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,239 That's why we had dinosaurs on the planet. And then when when when the 570 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,320 sixty five million years ago, when the chicks a little events, or the 571 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,559 Cretaceous palegene event, it's called, you know, the death of the dinosaurs. 572 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:16,679 Basically, when that asteroid struck the planet, that caused the reptiles to 573 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,800 go into retreat. And now those mammals that were hiding in the shadows for 574 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,000 millions of years, we're able to come back out and again we achieved dominance 575 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,760 and became what we are on Mars. That process, okay, would have 576 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,239 taken a lot of a lot of time, just like here. But how 577 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,239 do you know there was any extinction events on Mars to say that there was 578 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,039 you know, animals on there at one time, you know, we don't. 579 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,920 We don't know, or creatures. Yeah, we don't know, but 580 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,360 we do know that given the time frame, Mars is about as old as 581 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,920 the Earth basically, and so we look at the fact that over hundreds of 582 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,800 millions of years life developed on this planet. I mean, if you look 583 00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:04,639 way before the first Cambrian creatures were in the Cambrian oceans, Okay, we 584 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,159 had probably two point seven billion years ago, we had blue green algae basically 585 00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:14,519 on the planet cyanobacteria. These bacteria were gobblers of carbon dioxide. Well, 586 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,880 they could have existed on Mars. I don't see any reason why they couldn't. 587 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,880 Why because the universe creates a template for carbon based life. Okay. 588 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:30,239 Meteors deliver carbon based compounds. Comets deliver carbon based compounds asteroids deliver carbon based 589 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,679 compounds and water, okay, along with comets. So the carbon based life 590 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:40,960 form is actually sort of a I would say, a pre destined type life 591 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,079 form that you might see. And I say it might because we can't be 592 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,360 sure in certainty, right and on Earth had happened, so why couldn't it 593 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,840 have happened on Mars. Mars at one time was a warmer climb. It 594 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,840 was actually a more well developed planet. It had a magnetic field until the 595 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:04,159 core of Mars began to cool enough, so the magnetic field was no longer 596 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,800 effective and that's when that's when everything happened. That's when the atmosphere began to 597 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,920 thin because of ultraviolet radiation killing the H two O molecules. It would split 598 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,920 them apart. The hydrogen we get lost to space and the oxygen atoms would 599 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,000 actually go down into the soil and bond with things like iron to create FEO, 600 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,239 which is iron oxide, and that's rust and that's why Mars is red. 601 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,159 See so that you see a chronology here. Now, there was a 602 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:36,320 lot of water on Mars, no doubt, and people say, well where 603 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,400 is it, where is it? Well, we're seeing this at the end 604 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,880 of the cycle. We're seeing it at the time when Mars water is now 605 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,440 locked up subsurface in ice hardest granite, and we're seeing it at a time 606 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,480 when Mars is at a point where it doesn't have an atmosphere that is thick 607 00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:58,800 enough to allow liquid water on the surface any longer. However, we see 608 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:04,639 evidence of liquid water even in recent years, occurring on Mars, mostly in 609 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,199 the sides of deep craters where suddenly, right you know this that there's a 610 00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:12,760 burst of water that comes gushing out of the side. It's probably very salty, 611 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,440 and it goes racing down the crater, the crater interior into the towards 612 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,599 the bottom of the crater. But as it's falling, it's also sublimating. 613 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,320 It's going away, you know. And when it when it goes to uh 614 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,519 you know from that that when it goes to a water vapor, then the 615 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:35,599 water vapor is destroyed by the ultra violet radiation. So this this and then 616 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,920 of course it leaves the salts behind. So this is what we see on 617 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:45,719 Mars. Now, Okay, we don't see standing water except at the south 618 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,320 pole, and it's down I think about a kilometer below the surface. There's 619 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:55,480 a twelve kilometer long actual subsurface lake, you know, the south pole of 620 00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,360 Mars. Wow, that's very important because that's telling us that there's see, 621 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:07,320 actual, real standing water and that there's a place where the warmth from the 622 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,280 interior of the planet is. It's warm enough so that the pressure from the 623 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:17,280 overlying rock strata, the warmth coming from the course radiating out to those those 624 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:22,320 rock strata, is enough to allow liquid water to form. And that that's 625 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,840 the pressure of the overlying rocks which are providing the pressure, then the mass 626 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,920 basically and thus the weight on Mars to allow for that water to exist as 627 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,280 water as we know it. It's just an interesting us and it's perplexing and 628 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,840 all the new things we're learning about Mars. You know, it's just absolutely 629 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,920 incredible. You know. There's a question related to that. Daryl from YouTube 630 00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:49,719 and thanks again to Amanda for giving me these questions. Daryl from YouTube asked, 631 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,039 uh plus asked Mark, didn't one of them that just moved, didn't 632 00:45:55,039 --> 00:46:00,920 one of the Viking Landers have such strong results from a test for life that 633 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,559 they disregarded the results. Have you heard anything about that? Yeah, you 634 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:10,800 know, I actually had the the this I'm making a gesture for like two 635 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,679 and a half to three inches. I had all the results of the Viking 636 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,760 Landers, and I poured over them for many years. And that that experiment 637 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,880 they're talking about was one I think where they were baking some minerals in an 638 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,400 oven and based on what they were on board the Viking, because we had 639 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,199 like a little easy bake oven basically inside of the Viking, and it would 640 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,719 cook these elements to try and these these these minerals and try to see what 641 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,719 comes off. Now, here's what happens. Typically, just like on Earth, 642 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:45,519 certain minerals can only form in the presence of water. So they look 643 00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:47,519 and they gauge how much of a certain minerals present, and that tells them 644 00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,519 how much water may have been present. Okay, we do that on Earth 645 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,559 when we look back and we figure out how much, uh, you know, 646 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:58,159 water we had, how much oxygen we had, etc. Well, 647 00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,920 on Mars when they're when they were in this experiment, there were some results 648 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:07,840 that seemed like they might have been an error because the results were so promising. 649 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:12,320 Now I don't think that it's necessarily an error. And guess what, 650 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,360 NASA doesn't think so either, And that's why these this Mars inside Lander landed 651 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,760 just south of the Viking too position. Oh right, wow, yeah, 652 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,679 this is it's it's farther south than it is, uh from the Curiosity position. 653 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,159 Curiosity, if you recall, it found these wonderful little round spheres. 654 00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,719 Now people have to understand it. When they look at pictures from Mars, 655 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,559 they're in false color, except for the ones that are just all kind of 656 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:45,000 a salmon ruddy reddy red color. Okay, Mars doesn't have a whole lot 657 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:51,639 of color other than the red. Uh. And that's something that Uh So 658 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,639 when they look at these little spherals that they found, they called them blueberries. 659 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,320 Now they were blue because of the fact that they were formed in the 660 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,440 presence of water, but they were false colored. Uh, they were they 661 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,559 were false colored. That wasn't their real color. They looked like little pink 662 00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,480 nodules. But because of their mineral content, they were marked as blue. 663 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:13,920 Okay, So it was sort of an algorithm that painted them that way based 664 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,320 on their mineralogy. So we're not looking at a real color here. And 665 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,719 that's why sometimes the photos showed blue sky, and that brought all the the 666 00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:28,079 people that said, oh, look, Mars really has blue sky. It's 667 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,440 a that's really they're hiding it from us. It's like, oh my gosh, 668 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,079 you know, to what end? You know, Mars had blue sky? 669 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:36,000 Would have just said, hey, Mars has blue sky. Yeah, 670 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,559 you know, you know, there's a lot more than that goes into this. 671 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:45,119 What's interesting is at sunset on Mars, uh, the sky is blue. 672 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:49,559 Okay, it's sunset all right, which is kind of cool. Usually 673 00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,599 it's sunset it's red here right, Well, on Mars it's more blue. 674 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:58,079 Again, it's for the opposite. It's for the similar but different reasons that 675 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:04,039 the skies red in our sunset. So yeah, so about that. Yeah, 676 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,880 So anyway, Insight landed just well, relatively south. It's sort of 677 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,800 near the Marsihan equator um and at least Planesia and Viking was north obviously, 678 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,079 but it's on that side of the planet. It's in the same relative region 679 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,880 as Viking too, So it'll be interesting to see what this thing turns up, 680 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,360 and that that heat flow probe is going to be very important too for 681 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,000 when it drills. Now then there's more instruments on Insight than that, but 682 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,840 still that's really cool. That'd be really interesting to know whether there is a 683 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,199 hated core. Um, there should be I would think there would be. 684 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,079 But whether it's some heat, yes, But but is it Bolton anymore? 685 00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,360 Yeah, Molton isn't moving at all, you know, I know, without 686 00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:50,159 without the electro magnetosphere, it's it's possibly not moving at all. Um. 687 00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:52,800 Now, I do want to say that, Well, we're talking about Mars. 688 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,559 We're going to go into some other um things, but we have And 689 00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,639 the reason I'm saying that is because we are getting some questions from YouTube that 690 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,320 Amanda is passing along. But I'm only going to ask the ones related to 691 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,239 Mars. Right now. We have about four minutes to a break before I 692 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:14,440 asked this question. I just keep forgetting to let the listeners know that upcoming 693 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,800 shows I have. I have David O'Leary from Project Bluebook. He is he 694 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,519 is the creator of that for the History Channel. He's going to be on 695 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,039 if you're listening to YouTube, he's going to be on December twenty three, 696 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,760 along with Dave Marler. If that's for a full show, but that will 697 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,280 be our Christmas show, so that'll be released during the day of Christmas. 698 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:40,280 And we have next week we have a professor or of history talking about UFOs. 699 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,440 It should be interesting. So so that's it for the free part of 700 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,679 the show. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll be back next 701 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:54,119 week with Greg Igraham and he is a professor of history and he's going to 702 00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:58,760 be talking about the history of UFOs. It should be very interesting. I 703 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,960 don't believe there's any interviews with him out there that I'm aware of on that 704 00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,880 subject. So anyway, I want to thank you for listening. Anyone can 705 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:13,320 join us as far as a subscription for two dollars or more a month. 706 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,239 You get the full shows plus archives. This show tonight was just under an 707 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:22,920 hour. The show did last for just about two hours, so again two 708 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,880 dollars a month or more, and that's on podcast ufo dot com. You 709 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,199 can get that information there and you can also do a yearly payment if you'd 710 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:38,360 like to subscribe for that. The show does cost money weekly and I really 711 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,960 appreciate if you could help out. So that's it, Thanks so much, 712 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:58,960 and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.