And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is at triangle. You
know, there's explanation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It
doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over
our heads. Classic fly. He's also really stunning into clearing. He turned
over to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes
and said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show
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to the new Mars insight lander. Also, China has landed a high
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and all right, I guess we're ready to roll. Alejandro, thank
you for hello, my friend. Yeah, thank you for joining us as
usual and my pleasure. We missed you last week, so it's good to
have you back. Oh was I not on? Yeah, you were doing
the you're going to the airport to the airport? Was it last week or
the week before last week? I think was when I was trying to do
something and it was the internet was crappy in my room? Oh that apologized,
Yeah, yeah, we tried to do a precord and that that didn't
work. Yeah, that's right. Sorry, Hey, real bad about that.
I'm sure you did at the I did, but at the at risk
of upsetting. I mean, I got my whole background, and I made
sure I've even got like back here. I know, I probably shouldn't move
my camera, but I got a whole little UFO high tech setting back there.
I could see Mark here on my end already, and he gave me
the thumbs up there, so he enjoys it. Yeah, yeah, you
have quite a bit of a paraphernalia I do. Yeah. Wow, just
because we keep getting more and more stuff for this store, the UFO Congress
Store. We've got all kinds of UFO junkies and alien junkies and stuff like
that. And Mark spent some time here your guests. Actually, just a
few weeks ago. He spent a few days hanging out here and checking out
our collection. And we've gotten even more since he's been here. So he
inspired us. His strange alien like behavior really helped us think out of the
box. Now, those little UFO that thing that's actually what a tip tip
camera listen for. This is for YouTube only, of course, But is
that actually it actually it's not touching the ground, right, It's it's actually
covering See that it's electromagnet. Actually hovering and I like its alien anti gravity
technol of course, which Mark will tell you, yes, Stephen Greer is
harness that somehow right. Um, anyway, I sorry I slipped that in
there. Now do you do you sell those actually on your website? We
do, So this is a black one. I think we're out of him.
I think you you know Dale, remember Dale, he's an artist too.
Yeah, he bought the I think the last one of this color.
But we have some more that are all gray and all silver. They're actually
super super cool. Actually I don't even know which is my favorite because they're
all equally cool. Let's just quickly tell who Dale is. He's up.
Was it the Simpsons? Was that? Yeah, he's an art character designer
for The Simpsons. So in fact, he's done me and uh, we've
got a whole set because of course at Open Minds, Jason McClellan used to
work there and Maureen Elsberry, so he did as kind of doing a podcast
radio show, which was kind of cool. And he's got one of Lee
Spiegel and a few others that he's done. Triangle. Well that's not a
yeah, he simpsonized all of us. That's what I was talking about.
But yes, he did do that artwork of Lee Spiegel's amazing sighting. And
what's great about Lee Spiageles sighting is that it he went to this location at
the behest of Jay Allan Heineck, who, of course is the real life
person who is going to be portrayed in this new History Channel television show called
Project Bluebook here that starts in January, right right, That will be fun.
I can't wait for that to get going. I got to see the
last couple episodes. We already talked about that. I think your show so
possibly it's really good. Though it was, it's really cool. And have
you ever had Bryce Zabel on your show? Ye, Hollywood guy. So
Bryce Zabel did the show Dark Skies. And what was interesting is I was
going to expecting that they were going to try to do an X Files type
of show with this Project blue Book, but it's actually much more Dark Skies.
It really felt like Dark Skies. I even emailed Bryce. I was
like, hey, I just saw the first couple of episodes of Project blue
Book. I'm not sure if you got to a premier. He said,
no, why is it like Dark Skies? And I was like, yeah,
exactly. It reminded me very much of your show, just because it's
historic and if anybody remembers Dark Skies, you know, it was more you
know, accurate towards speculation about you know, government conspiracies and stuff. And
of course this is based on real Project Blue Book cases, but they add
this conspiracy stuff, so they even add men in black and stuff like this,
stuff that Heineck really didn't get involved with necessarily, but of course they've
got to add some drama to the show. And many speculate that I even
had the guy on You've had him too, I think the guy who wrote
the recent autobiography or a recent biography of Jay Allen Heineken, and he says,
you know, nobody knows. There are hints that Heineck felt that they
were hiding information from him, but nobody knows for sure how Heineck felt about
that, or if he knew more than he led on. But we all
know from this this memo when they did close Project blue Book, the Bowling
Germ memo, where this general essentially said, I go ahead and close Boot
blue Book because we send the most interesting cases elsewhere. Anyway, I got
to know Tom Snyder talk show host. Are you familiar with who? Really?
Yes, very much so the white hair, Yeah, yeah, guy
dan Aykroyd used to imitate him. Actually, he said he was actually friends
with dan Ackroid. He thought that the imitation was a riot. But anyway,
I'm still in touch with Pam Burke. That's her, that's his wife,
a widow. And I saw something about Tom Snyder interviewing jay Ellen Heineck,
so I said, hey, Pam, what did you think of jay
Ellen Heineck. And she said, oh my god, that was one of
my very, very favorite and Tom's favorite guests. She certainly had such a
sense of humor. It was really it was really great to talk to her
about it. And that's fascinating, you know. I got to I don't
know if I told you this, because I guess I haven't been on because
I was at Alien Con also a few weeks ago and in Baltimore, and
I was doing several different talks and one of them was about Spielberg. In
the beginning of the show, I talked about Close Encounters, which was inspired
by Heineck. So I go over Heineck a bunch and I talked about how
great Heineck is. I even mentioned how excited I am about this new History
Channel show. Well, at the end of my talk, this guy walks
up to me and I says, I'm Paul Heineck. This is Heineck's son,
and I said, thank you for all the nice things you said about
my father. So that was really cool. But I did include a video
of ye where he makes a joke about flying saucers. And remember, if
you are offended by this joke at all, it's Heinek who said it,
not me first. But he said, if you want to see a flying
saucer, one of the jokes is if and he was complaining about the term
flying saucer, but he said, one of the jokes out there is if
you want to see a flying saucer, just goose the waitress. Jeez,
I'm glad you didn't say that. Yeah, yeah, I would never say.
He never knew of the me too movement, you know what I mean?
Right, Yeah, that was prior to that. That was the the
men behaving badly or whatever kind of era. Yeah, for like millennia.
Yeah, all right, well you got you got anything going on in the
UFO world this week? Yeah, I mean you mentioned it. The Lazarre
movie launched today. I'm looking at my email and let's see, because I
did already see it. I got a preview copy to look at and I
can answer any questions about it if you want. But it did launch today
too, because I did pay for it, because there's extras, and I
want to help support Jeremy because he's a buddy. And I got my email
at one am. I pre ordered it to download it. So yeah,
it is out there today if you want to check it out. Lots of
people excited it was if you go to Jeremy's instagram, which is great because
you can see all of the excitement, you know, the big line of
people outside of the theater, so very exciting. I'm bummed I couldn't be
there. But Dale, the friend we just talked about, was there.
I know that Jason McClellan was there, and Ryan Sprague and David Navarro,
the rock guy, you know that the rocker. He was there. He
was instagramming about it last night and it looked like he got to actually talk
with Bob Lazar, who was there. I didn't even realize Bob Lazar was
going to be there. So yeah, pretty interesting. Um stuff now,
I am curious if it's okay to talk about that right now, about what
this blog post is kind of the gist of the blog post, and also
if you don't mind, I kind of would like to bring Mark on and
Mark he's listening. I can see him his camera there waiting on the iss
or. It looks like he's in a submarine or something. But I sent
a link in the chat if you could look at that, because there is
a UFO video that's kind of making the rounds right now and the kind of
discuss that next our skype chap. Oh. I don't know if I can
get to that right now with the way things are. Hopefully Mark can,
because I like Mark took look at Yeah, now I talk about it Mark.
So let me introduce Mark. Repeat guests Mark D'Antonio. We're gonna pull
him up on the screen a little bulory, but that's all right. I
want to hear about this blog post on Lazar or did you read it yet?
Did I read my own blog post? Oh? You posted it?
Yeah, it's on my website on podcast UFO. It's from a gentleman Chris.
He's been writing guest blogs from Tasmania and basically you read it. I
read through it late last night. I can't remember the gist of it,
though, is that he thinks is you know, definitely a lot to the
Bob Blazar story. And I actually have gotten a few emails today of people
saying, you know, what do you have against Bob Blazar. I don't
have anything against Bob Blazar. I just question certain things like his education,
his claimed education. And when someone claims one thing and it turns out to
be wrong, then I kind of question. It's kind of like the appraiser
in me, the antiques appraiser. I question everything and one part of something's
wrong. So that's that's basically it, you know. I mean, now
that makes sense, and people will ask, and there's has been these comments,
what does Stanton have against Bob Blazar or something? You know, people
are looking at it wrong. You don't have to. This is about,
you know, getting to the truth and to the facts. And just because
someone seems nice, like there are some researchers, Well I met this person.
That's why I can say they're telling the truth. Well, just because
you've met them, and even just because you like them, doesn't mean that
what they're saying is completely accurate. So it's in comment upon people like us
who are out there trying to share information to heavily scrutinize, you know,
what people are saying, and especially someone like Stanton, when they hear,
you know, information that they follow up on, like the education or the
science, then they have to say, hey, this science is wrong.
I know this to be wrong. Even if they're like, I'm sorry,
but you know, you've still got to convince me that this science is correct.
So you know, I think those are It's always it's fair that we
be critical of people. I always go back to Sagan. You know,
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so we need to seek that. Actually,
it wasn't Sagan that coin that phrase, but but I get what it
is, isn't it. No, No, it was someone before. Really
yeah, he stole it from someone else and took all the credit. Oh
my gosh, yeah he'll Joe, go ahead and google that. If you
don't believe me, listener, I believe I get the Haide mail. Hey,
I want to introduce Mark d' antonio because I started too and I forgot
why I changed. It's my fault. I distracted you, And it's okay.
He needs almost no introduction at all. He's an astronomer and he does
a great show. He's also on KGr A radio and does a thing,
a SkyWatch thing I joined the other night. Actually not a SkyWatch. It
was actually talking about the moon. We can talk about that. Mark d'
antonio, welcome back. Hey, thank you so much for having me.
Hey, Alejandro, how are you doing, buddy? Hey? But we
had a good time when we were. When I was out there, I
was doing a talk for the Phoenix Move On and then I had to teach
a week later in the desert for the boot camp for the Mutual U network
and Alandro said, hey, come spend a few days with us. So
I did, and it was a wonderful time. And I got to play
with those little UFOs that were hovering, and I gotta tell you, I
had a lot of fun with that, you know, a lot of phone.
Yeah, Mark and I were like kids playing with all of our toys.
We did a bunch of astro photography, which was a lot of fun,
and uh we made a video about you know, uh misidentifying you know,
certain things like bugs as UFOs or birds. And then Mark played a
little bit at Didgerido. So if you want to see him doing some did
you redo, you can go to the Open Minds YouTube and see that.
But it was it was really fun. I felt like a little kid,
like you know when you're you were a little and you gotta go home.
Your mom comes and picked you up, and you're like, good, what
a go. It was kind of sad seeing Mark leave. We had a
lot of fun fault actually, because you know Aljandro's He's basically lives in a
giant toy you know, and you too, look at your place. I
well, okay, my place notwithstanding. Okay, yeah, Mark, you're
forgetting I've been there so I can vouch for that. Yeah you have,
yeah, yeah, yeah, And you do the FX models for Also,
do you want to talk? Why don't you just say quickly to the listener
who has not heard you before, what those what that's all about? Yeah?
I mean FX models. Letter F Letter X Models is a visual effects
company that I started back in nineteen ninety five, believe it or not.
And I started it as a way to start making these very elaborate, very
detailed models for movies and commercials and so forth. Well, it turned out
that all you working an awful lot for the Navy, and I spent a
lot of time working for the Navy many years actually, uh doing these projects.
And the benefit of FX models was that I learned a whole host of
new techniques, especially when I was working alone a lot of the time.
I had to be smart about it. I had to learn how to work
alone. And that was much better for me because I ended up, you
know, creating and getting machinery to help me do all this. That led
to getting into astronomy more because I got my degree in astronomy, as you
know, and I've been an astronomer for science centers and so forth. And
so what I did was I ended up putting an observatory on the front lawn.
So it looks like a big white minion out there, okay, but
a roundheads like it's like Stuart, you know, but we're Tonight is a
special streaming night you know for skytro a live stream it's called and that's on
YouTube, and it's a companion stream to sky to A Radio, which,
as you mentioned, is the Kgrara radio radio show that we do Sunday nights
at nine pm Eastern and so skytur live stream tonight is special because we're actually
doing something a little different. We're actually using the observatory completely remotely because this
observatory is being prepared to get shipped to Arizona. And yeah, and it's
still something that we're planning on doing. And so to that end, I
have to really make this thing robust and standalone so that no matter what,
I can operate it and run anything that goes wrong through the Internet. So
that's what I'm doing today. Uh, and tonight's stream is going to be
the first time we debut this new process and procedure. So, uh,
tune in if you want to see things either horribly wrong and laugh your butts
off or watch things go wonderfully right. Yeah, now, how can they
find it? Mark? It's a skytur live stream, that's Skytrough all one
word, live stream, all one word and it's on YouTube and it's probably
showing there now, like if someone wanted to save it. Um so,
and is that kind of is that a regular h that's a regular show that
you do? Right? Well, it's it's a it's a clear that's a
clear night stream that I do. And you know, Amanda Curran, who
is my co host on Skytour Radio is also my co host on skytro livestream,
So it's all things sky to Her, everything sky to Her for us,
So we actually do she has she creates sky to Her News, she
has sky to Her stories and a whole bunch of other things that she does
that are really cool. And the sky Tour arena, and then I do
the live stream, and I'm part of a bigger picture which is called astro
Imaginglive dot com. That's the website, and there we have Bill New York
Skywatcher, who's actually one of Kjerry's producers, and we have P and K
Paul and Keith p and K space Imaging. Those guys look at the moon
and the planets, Bill new York Skywatchers looks at meteors and big meteor showers.
And then I'm the one that looks at the deep sky objects. So
we go to particular objects in the sky. We look at comets, we
look at asteroids, we look at deep space nebula, all these things,
and we take people on a tour. And I don't just show them.
I mean, I'm an astronomer, so I tell people about them, and
I give them a little idea of what they're looking at. Now, when
Alle hundred and I went out, basically that's evolved into playing with glazers on
the mountain in the distance, and we were just drawing our names in the
mountain with lasers and stuff. That was really cool. Karen did a perfect
staring. Wow. Yeah, I couldn't leave it. I laughed because I
didn't think she'd possibly do it. And then she turns around and she does
a perfect star the first time. I was like, wow, Okay,
you're gonna have to share that picture. It's a good one. We have
about four minutes to the break coming up, so allhund what is it exactly?
Did you want to ask? Mark? Yeah, sorry, I'll leave
it at the break, And I just wanted to say one of the news
stories out there is a UFO at the outer Banks, So yeah, I
figured you did, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. It is
a spectacular looking video because you see two or three lights out over the ocean
that are very bright, and but to me, I believe them to be
flares. Some people disagree, and Mark can speak more. Two days.
People say, well, flares, you can see smoke, you can see
them descending. Uh, they flicker and none of those things are necessarily true.
I see flares often. They can be very bright, these new military
flares. They're falling at such a slow speed that they don't look like they're
falling at all. And they've got video on their minds showing this. You're
right, yeah, so they they are flares can and you don't see the
smoke on these flares either, So uh, that's what do you think,
Mark, what do you think they are? I actually photographed exactly this type
of thing when I was in Arizona, because when I was out in the
desert, I had my own private Phoenix lights. Basically, uh Luke Air
Force Base was doing maneuvers and they were dropping parachute flares and when they did
uh and those flares had to be seventy miles away from me at least.
And when you look at these two bright lights, you know, these these
two bright lights are on the horizon. They looked eerie, they looked unearthly.
But the thing is they're not unearthly. And when you zoom in on
them with a camera and get up close, you can see the smoke.
The smoke is not visible to your eye because it's such a low surface brightness
to the smoke, but it's there. And then of course these flares are
descending actually at a rather at a parachute type rate. They're really nothing,
and I think you're absolutely correct. I'm with you on this. I think
these are actually parachute flares. Sorry, guys, I know some people are
going to get upset, but well they can be upset with me then,
because you know, yeah, I agree, you know that these aren't probably
well I have to say ninety nine point nine percent that I believe these are
parachute players because they never change orientation relative to each other. They're descending at
a rate that's concurrent, and well that's actually, you know, coincidentally like
the same for parachute flare drop. So I don't see any reason why these
aren't parachute flares. And the is the important thing. Well, the cameras
not picking it up as well. But it's an unearthly shade of orange that
these things look, and I'm sure it was startling. We have just like
a minute or so to break, so I just want to say the phoenix
lights, you know, a lot of the or I think maybe perhaps all
the video that you see. We have one minute left toll break that you
see is flares. There may be one that is not. Possibly there's only
one I'm aware of that might not be flares. But the rest, yes,
you're right, are are the flares, because at ten o'clock there was
there were flares. Now I'm not sure though, because from eight o'clock earlier
in the day there were sightings out around the Phoenix area and all the way
up to like Kingman and Needles just over the border in California. I don't
think those were flares, but certainly the ten pm were flares over Goldwater And
I think Mark will concur with O and that really that really kind of that
was if they were going to cover up, they did a really good job,
because yeah, it's not apparent whether they were trying to do that.
We don't have any evidence that they were definitely trying to but you're exactly right.
If they were doing that, it was a g yest way to distract
people. Absolutely. Okay, it's time to go to break. So all
right, thank you so much, Alajundro. I appreciate ye, have a
great show. Thank you, and all right everyone, we'll be back with
Mark d' antonio in just a second. After these messages well, let's be
right back. So I don't hundred you're still on, Yeah, you can
stay so good? Yeah, Okay for the break here, yeah, why
not because we're doing Mike this is on YouTube still right, the break,
that's right. Yeah. And usually in the break we take either questions or
we talk about something that we weren't talking about, soum. So it doesn't,
you know, mess up when we get back on KGRA A Radio open.
Well. I don't know if you were going to ask Mark this,
but I want to hear what Mark thinks of Lazarre, And for both of
you, I would like to have this discussion again after you see Jeremy's film,
because there is some new stuff here and Lazar speaks for himself and some
of the things that I think all three of us are critical of. But
what do you think Mark? Actually, Um, I listened to George Nori
interview Bob Lazarre the other night. It was an older an older show probably,
but it was Jeremy Corbell was there with Bob Lazar and there were actually
yeah, by might say older show, I mean it was like last week
or two weeks ago, you know or whatever. It was so um but
yeah, uh and listening to that, I started listening to the show kind
of with that skeptical approach, thinking, you know, I've heard all the
things about him and all these things. But then listening to him respond,
I actually got the impression that, you know, he might actually there might
be something to him more than I think he believes what he's saying. Well,
that's my point. I was anna say that he believes what he's telling
you, you know, and so, but then again, I always believe
what I'm telling you too, So it does I could be a blatant liar,
I guess as well, or something. I don't know if that's what
he is, or you could be telling the truth or yes, or you
keep telling the truth. And the fact is we don't have the information to
judge him negatively or positively. We have to take it for what it is
and let that ride. Because unless somebody comes forward and says, here's a
government stamp document that claims you know that, or shows that bomb Blasar is
exactly who he says he was, you know, then what can you say.
I believe that he had a clearance because he said certain things during that
during his interview. One minute, Okay, thank you he had. He
said certain things during his interview that led me to believe that he would definitely
have had a clearance to say what he said. I know that I had
one for since nineteen ninety five, all right, nowhere near as high as
he supposedly had, you know, So there's there's more to him than meets
the eye in my view. M Okay, we have less than a minute
left, just to let you know. Yeah, I was just gonna say
him. I kind of like Travis Walton that there are people that, you
know, I take seriously in a way. They seem to believe what they're
saying. It's just uncomfortable because what they're saying is so strange. Um,
you know, it's it's so uncomfortable, but very compelling. Yeah. I
think Lazar is more compelling after hearing this than than before I heard it.
So I'm looking forward to the movie. No, and um, you know,
I watched The skin Walker Ranch one and I wasn't that excited about it.
Yeah, yeah, zar movie sounds like it's probably a better one.
Yeah, all right, I think as far as I know, I think
we're Um, are we ready to go back? Eric? We got about
thirty seconds still all right, all right, so aljundre. I guess we'll
say good night for real this time since I said all right everyone when you
were on it. So thanks, and uh we'll talk to you next week.
All right, talk to you guys later. I have a fun show.
Thank you, see you later as audio. It's great, they'll can
do. All right, welcome back to the show. I'm here with Marc
Antonio and we are going to be talking all about all kinds of great stuff,
space stuff and uh. Mark, So where do you want to start?
I have a bunch of different topics I want to talk to you about.
You want to start out with space junk or you want to start with
the landers? I think that why don't we talk about the most recent thing,
which is the Mars Insight Lander. All right, excellent? Yeah,
So um, if you're I mean, if you want to, I can
just go through some of the basics and we can. You can. I
don't know where you want to go with that. Yeah. Yeah. First
of all, I know that I always love to watch when Live when they
land in the control room where everybody is just so excited and rightly so,
I mean, it's their baby from you know, from the moment it takes
off to the lands, and it's, uh, there's so many things that
can go wrong, and and a lot of times they're unsuccessful, so it's
it's a big deal. Yeah, I mean I know that. No,
the United States has been more successful than other countries and getting to Marsh and
that's a good thing. But we've had our share of failures too. But
I can say this, the Mars Insight landard, I mean, that was
in space for six months and it all came down to the final seven minutes.
That final seven minutes, as you've heard them say. I'm sure in
those watching and listening have heard this was the seven minutes of terror, right,
okay, And everything, hundreds and hundreds of machine operations and different mechanisms
and bolts and explosive bolts and another hardware had to do exactly what it was
supposed to do. Not one thing could fail, and it didn't. And
as I listened to Live, I had butterflies in my stomach because you know,
I'm a I'm a obviously a big fan, but I think of these
these probes as if they're actually almost like people in a way, because they
are extension of what we are and What the Inside Lander is going to do
on Mars is a spectacular mission and I really really want to see it happen.
And I was just so, I was worried, but I was actually
confident. JPL has been running on a high ever since Spirit and Opportunity,
actually since Curiosity. Okay, Spirit and Opportunity. Those landers had a ninety
day life expectancy, and they went on for years and years and years,
plowing through Martian soil, winter, spring, summer, fall on Mars,
and they continued to do their jobs. And Opportunity still continues if we ever.
I don't know if actually we heard back yet from Opportunity. I don't
think we did. But Spirit was stuck admired, and it has a wheel
that stopped working, and an opportunity during the dust storm was lost. So
I'm not sure if it'll ever come back, but you know, there's always
hope, right, that's right. Let's do it, so, and let's
talk a little bit about what its mission actually is. It's going to be
doing sonar or something to do with the crust of Mars, is that right?
Yeah? Actually, there's several instruments on board the the Insight Lander,
which are really cool First of all, let's talk about where it went right.
When it landed and all those many things we talked about went right.
It landed in a place called Elysium Plunecia, and that is interesting because it's
just south of the Viking to Lander and it's just north of where the Curiosity
roverland that it's actually closer to where the Curiosity roverlanded than Viking. And it
has these instruments on board that are designed for very specific purposes. There's a
remote manipulator arm. It's going to be able to carry instruments off the main
body of the lander and drop them onto Mars and set them at a distance.
All right, And those instruments, I'll tell you what they are.
One is called the Seiss Instrument SEIS, and that stands for seismic arment or
internal structure. And that's going to be deployed by that remote arm. And
it has a little dust and thermal shield on top of it, so it
looks like a little bug, a little round topped bug, and it can
detect really small vibrations and I mean vibrations down to the atomic level. This
is probably one of the most advanced seismometers. If you want to call it
that ever made And there might be liquid moving around inside Mars and this will
be able to feel it. Right. There might be frictional vibration imparted on
boulders, you know, many many miles away or hundreds of miles away that
this this thing can feel and it'll give us an idea of how the atmosphere
of Mars is working, what the internal structure within Mars is. Because if
there's liquid water down there, it'll feel it, it'll hear it, and
it'll be able to look at the rhythmic patterns and figure something out based on
any rhythmic pattern. So if water slashing, will find it. Basically so,
the weather systems also cause vibrations in the in the atmosphere of Mars,
and these vibrations are something that are also highly important that I'll tell us,
uh, you know, a bottle, tell us more about how Mars works.
Because we've been there, we've drilled a little into the soil, but
we haven't done anything like this is going to do okay, because this this
experience has an experiment on it called the HP CUBED experiment, and that's that
stands for heat flow and physical properties probe so pp p P cubed, So
the heat flow and physical properties probe is going to be deployed by the remote
manipulated arm, a separate little unit. These are both both the U the
seismic uh deployed deployable system and the this uh HP cubed experiment are going to
be connected by little ribbon cables back to the mainlander. But this one,
this one is the heat probe is going to actually uh drill down sixteen feet
into the Martian surface. Sixteen feet I mean, but keep in mind,
the inside lander is the size of an old you know, convertible station wagon
okay, I mean or convertible rather like like a sixties convertible. It's it's
not small. And each of the solar panels are like seven feet in diameter
and has two one on each side. I can't even imagine how they could
coordinate, like the assembolage of a drill bit, because obviously it's not a
sixteen foot long drill bit has to be put together somehow. Yeah, there's
Actually the system is really complex, of course, and it's gonna be going
down and basically hammering itself down into the surface. Okay. And the idea
is to get it sixteen feet down. And why would they do that,
Well, it's gonna go down and what it's gonna do is detect something very
important, and that important thing is checking the heat that is actually escaping Mars.
All planets that have some type of solar you know, impingement. That
is to say, any solar energy striking the surface are gonna give off some
heat that it's going to get absorbed into the interior of the planet and then
the planet's going to give off some of the heat. So that's one.
The second thing is if the core of the planet is still semi molten on
Mars, all right, then you're going to get some heat that's given off
by that and that's going to end up getting out of the crust eventually.
And that's what this experiment's designed to look for, is to check the heat
being released by Mars. Now very important stuff. Now we've talked on sky
to a radio and a Manda current my co host knows all about. This
is one of our favorite topics. We've talked about a special way to get
Mars to terraform itself. Now we know that our planet has a magnetic field,
the magnetic fields what keeps our atmosphere basically intact, otherwise the radiation would
destroy it. Well, on Mars, that did happen, right, and
there's no magnetic field on Mars to speak of. And the atmosphere was a
lot thicker, but it was destroyed over time. So what we have to
do is restart the magnetic field of Mars. Well, how would we do
that? Well, we could restart the core. Basically, if we get
the core to be molten again and the outer core and the intercore Mars rub
against each other, they'll create electric currents which will create a magnetic field.
But guess what, that's probably far beyond even an advanced species. So what
else is there? Well, we could use the fact that there are points
in space around Mars where all the gravitational forces basically some to zero. So
there's like parking spots in space. These are called lagrange points. Right.
If we can put a unit out there from Mars at the Mars lagrange point
number one, which is between Mars and our Son, you know, a
few tens of millions of miles from Mars, then if that was a magnetic
field generator of some kind, all right, then the solar energy striking the
magnetic field would actually drape that magnetic field behind this magnetic field generator. And
also if Mars was close enough, then it would drape it behind Mars as
well, and it would actually basically coat Mars with a protective sheath of a
magnetic field on that downwind side. Basically, and we're talking about solar wind
high energy electrons and protons that are making their way to Mars, and those
bombard the atmosphere every single day and destroy water vapor that's in the atmosphere.
Well, if we can shield Mars from that process artificially with this magnetic shield,
and it's actually a real project on the NASA docket by the way,
as a magnetic shield for Mars. If we could do that, then we
would find that we'd have a Mars that is a lot more conducive to letting
the water vapors stay in the atmosphere. And if that happens, it'll get
warmer and the polar caps will begin to melt these coo too. The carbon
dioxide parts of the polar caps will will sublimate and go away and become carbon
dioxide, making the atmosphere heavier. With this greenhouse gas, and that will
make it warmer again, and the water will begin to melt, the water
ice, which there's a lot of on Mars, and if it melts,
then we can have a thicker atmosphere. And if we have a thicker atmosphere,
well then you see, Mars is terraforming itself. Because Mars generates water
vapor all the time, is just destroyed, you know, by the ultraviolet
radiation that's impacting it from the Sun. A magnetic shield would prevent that,
you see. So we actually see a way to actually do real terraforming at
Mars and we don't even have to touch the planet. Amazing. I'm going
to ask you the hypothetical. I know no scientist likes to answer hypothetical,
but now we do know that there was there's signs of water and possibly a
lot of water on Mars at one time, and flowing streams of flowing rivers,
or you know, there's there's you know st stony brooks, I mean
Brooks, What am I trying to say? Brookstones, you know, smooth
over stones and everything from running water. The hypothetical is, do you think
would you think that it's possible that there was life on Mars or not at
one time. Actually, I don't think that's too far fetched. We talk
about microbial life, advanced life, I would probably say not enough to you
know, look at what happened here. We were kind of in the quote
unquote perfect location, and yet our planet is still far from perfect. We've
had five major extinction events that it killed a lot of life on this planet,
up to ninety six percent of it at one time, okay, and
yet we survived, we persisted. You know, a couple hundred million years
ago, the Permian period was in full force and mammals like we are were
dominant at a time. But then there was this great dying in ninety six
percent of the species died. But dinosaurs, the reptiles, the larger reptiles,
they were relatively unaffected. And this started the age of the reptiles.
That's why we had dinosaurs on the planet. And then when when when the
sixty five million years ago, when the chicks a little events, or the
Cretaceous palegene event, it's called, you know, the death of the dinosaurs.
Basically, when that asteroid struck the planet, that caused the reptiles to
go into retreat. And now those mammals that were hiding in the shadows for
millions of years, we're able to come back out and again we achieved dominance
and became what we are on Mars. That process, okay, would have
taken a lot of a lot of time, just like here. But how
do you know there was any extinction events on Mars to say that there was
you know, animals on there at one time, you know, we don't.
We don't know, or creatures. Yeah, we don't know, but
we do know that given the time frame, Mars is about as old as
the Earth basically, and so we look at the fact that over hundreds of
millions of years life developed on this planet. I mean, if you look
way before the first Cambrian creatures were in the Cambrian oceans, Okay, we
had probably two point seven billion years ago, we had blue green algae basically
on the planet cyanobacteria. These bacteria were gobblers of carbon dioxide. Well,
they could have existed on Mars. I don't see any reason why they couldn't.
Why because the universe creates a template for carbon based life. Okay.
Meteors deliver carbon based compounds. Comets deliver carbon based compounds asteroids deliver carbon based
compounds and water, okay, along with comets. So the carbon based life
form is actually sort of a I would say, a pre destined type life
form that you might see. And I say it might because we can't be
sure in certainty, right and on Earth had happened, so why couldn't it
have happened on Mars. Mars at one time was a warmer climb. It
was actually a more well developed planet. It had a magnetic field until the
core of Mars began to cool enough, so the magnetic field was no longer
effective and that's when that's when everything happened. That's when the atmosphere began to
thin because of ultraviolet radiation killing the H two O molecules. It would split
them apart. The hydrogen we get lost to space and the oxygen atoms would
actually go down into the soil and bond with things like iron to create FEO,
which is iron oxide, and that's rust and that's why Mars is red.
See so that you see a chronology here. Now, there was a
lot of water on Mars, no doubt, and people say, well where
is it, where is it? Well, we're seeing this at the end
of the cycle. We're seeing it at the time when Mars water is now
locked up subsurface in ice hardest granite, and we're seeing it at a time
when Mars is at a point where it doesn't have an atmosphere that is thick
enough to allow liquid water on the surface any longer. However, we see
evidence of liquid water even in recent years, occurring on Mars, mostly in
the sides of deep craters where suddenly, right you know this that there's a
burst of water that comes gushing out of the side. It's probably very salty,
and it goes racing down the crater, the crater interior into the towards
the bottom of the crater. But as it's falling, it's also sublimating.
It's going away, you know. And when it when it goes to uh
you know from that that when it goes to a water vapor, then the
water vapor is destroyed by the ultra violet radiation. So this this and then
of course it leaves the salts behind. So this is what we see on
Mars. Now, Okay, we don't see standing water except at the south
pole, and it's down I think about a kilometer below the surface. There's
a twelve kilometer long actual subsurface lake, you know, the south pole of
Mars. Wow, that's very important because that's telling us that there's see,
actual, real standing water and that there's a place where the warmth from the
interior of the planet is. It's warm enough so that the pressure from the
overlying rock strata, the warmth coming from the course radiating out to those those
rock strata, is enough to allow liquid water to form. And that that's
the pressure of the overlying rocks which are providing the pressure, then the mass
basically and thus the weight on Mars to allow for that water to exist as
water as we know it. It's just an interesting us and it's perplexing and
all the new things we're learning about Mars. You know, it's just absolutely
incredible. You know. There's a question related to that. Daryl from YouTube
and thanks again to Amanda for giving me these questions. Daryl from YouTube asked,
uh plus asked Mark, didn't one of them that just moved, didn't
one of the Viking Landers have such strong results from a test for life that
they disregarded the results. Have you heard anything about that? Yeah, you
know, I actually had the the this I'm making a gesture for like two
and a half to three inches. I had all the results of the Viking
Landers, and I poured over them for many years. And that that experiment
they're talking about was one I think where they were baking some minerals in an
oven and based on what they were on board the Viking, because we had
like a little easy bake oven basically inside of the Viking, and it would
cook these elements to try and these these these minerals and try to see what
comes off. Now, here's what happens. Typically, just like on Earth,
certain minerals can only form in the presence of water. So they look
and they gauge how much of a certain minerals present, and that tells them
how much water may have been present. Okay, we do that on Earth
when we look back and we figure out how much, uh, you know,
water we had, how much oxygen we had, etc. Well,
on Mars when they're when they were in this experiment, there were some results
that seemed like they might have been an error because the results were so promising.
Now I don't think that it's necessarily an error. And guess what,
NASA doesn't think so either, And that's why these this Mars inside Lander landed
just south of the Viking too position. Oh right, wow, yeah,
this is it's it's farther south than it is, uh from the Curiosity position.
Curiosity, if you recall, it found these wonderful little round spheres.
Now people have to understand it. When they look at pictures from Mars,
they're in false color, except for the ones that are just all kind of
a salmon ruddy reddy red color. Okay, Mars doesn't have a whole lot
of color other than the red. Uh. And that's something that Uh So
when they look at these little spherals that they found, they called them blueberries.
Now they were blue because of the fact that they were formed in the
presence of water, but they were false colored. Uh, they were they
were false colored. That wasn't their real color. They looked like little pink
nodules. But because of their mineral content, they were marked as blue.
Okay, So it was sort of an algorithm that painted them that way based
on their mineralogy. So we're not looking at a real color here. And
that's why sometimes the photos showed blue sky, and that brought all the the
people that said, oh, look, Mars really has blue sky. It's
a that's really they're hiding it from us. It's like, oh my gosh,
you know, to what end? You know, Mars had blue sky?
Would have just said, hey, Mars has blue sky. Yeah,
you know, you know, there's a lot more than that goes into this.
What's interesting is at sunset on Mars, uh, the sky is blue.
Okay, it's sunset all right, which is kind of cool. Usually
it's sunset it's red here right, Well, on Mars it's more blue.
Again, it's for the opposite. It's for the similar but different reasons that
the skies red in our sunset. So yeah, so about that. Yeah,
So anyway, Insight landed just well, relatively south. It's sort of
near the Marsihan equator um and at least Planesia and Viking was north obviously,
but it's on that side of the planet. It's in the same relative region
as Viking too, So it'll be interesting to see what this thing turns up,
and that that heat flow probe is going to be very important too for
when it drills. Now then there's more instruments on Insight than that, but
still that's really cool. That'd be really interesting to know whether there is a
hated core. Um, there should be I would think there would be.
But whether it's some heat, yes, But but is it Bolton anymore?
Yeah, Molton isn't moving at all, you know, I know, without
without the electro magnetosphere, it's it's possibly not moving at all. Um.
Now, I do want to say that, Well, we're talking about Mars.
We're going to go into some other um things, but we have And
the reason I'm saying that is because we are getting some questions from YouTube that
Amanda is passing along. But I'm only going to ask the ones related to
Mars. Right now. We have about four minutes to a break before I
asked this question. I just keep forgetting to let the listeners know that upcoming
shows I have. I have David O'Leary from Project Bluebook. He is he
is the creator of that for the History Channel. He's going to be on
if you're listening to YouTube, he's going to be on December twenty three,
along with Dave Marler. If that's for a full show, but that will
be our Christmas show, so that'll be released during the day of Christmas.
And we have next week we have a professor or of history talking about UFOs.
It should be interesting. So so that's it for the free part of
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