WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.640 so like to subscribe and raid it time study and me Rachel day and listening, 3 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:29.160 oh watching lim always keep its watching And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.799 James boogle Fay. Hello, folks, you got a special show for you 5 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:37.759 today. I got some good friends on Rachel and Amy and they both had 6 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:43.679 similar encounters with a sasquatch and Rachel was actually on the same dirt road logging 7 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.560 road I was on when I had my first sighting. I heard about Amy's 8 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.679 first. Let's start with you, Amy, tell us where you were, 9 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:55.200 where you were going, and you know the lighting conditions, what you were 10 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:59.880 driving, the all the all the relevant information. Okay. Yeah. So 11 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:06.359 at the time I was helping out my ex boyfriend were not together anymore. 12 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:12.200 Pete, I'll just say his name is Pete, that's it. He had 13 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:19.760 several properties in Humboldt, and I would go and help him, like assist 14 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:29.519 him with supplies. He was doing cultivation at his various spots, and I 15 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:34.640 went out to the northern part of Humboldt. He would go to southern Humbolt, 16 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.560 which is where some of his other properties were. And I lived in 17 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:44.560 Trinidad at the time, so and I had a child, so it was 18 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:49.319 more convenient, more convenient for me to take a northern route, so I 19 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.760 would go out towards bald Hills Road. He had one property on bald Hills 20 00:01:53.879 --> 00:02:01.959 Road close to which apec and then the other spot near there was off of 21 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:08.680 Johnson Road, or on Johnson Road, i should say. And so I 22 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:14.680 had gone out to bald Hills Road, the one further out first, and 23 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.680 then I went to the second spot. I was delivering you know, supplies 24 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:27.639 like groceries and gas and stuff like that, and that particular spot on Johnson 25 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:32.240 Road, which is near the fire station near like Lady Bird Johnson. I 26 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:38.840 went out there and it was around I would say dinner time. Actually it 27 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.120 was before that, but when I was leaving there, it was around dusk. 28 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:49.199 And so, you know Johnson Road off of bald Hills Road, dusk 29 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:55.400 time. It was like August maybe nineteen ninety nine, maybe two thousand, 30 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.719 it was around that time. I you know, I was just doing errands. 31 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.840 I was helping my boyfriend at the time, and I had been out 32 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.280 there dropped off some things and I was leaving there. There's a at the 33 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.039 time. I don't know if it's still the case, but at the time, 34 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:19.280 there was some gates that was like I remember which company it was. 35 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:23.439 I want to say it was like Green Diamond, but I don't think that's 36 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.240 right. I think it was somebody else at the time. And so we 37 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.159 had a it was there was two lock gates to get out to the property 38 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:36.520 and we had a key obviously to get to where we need to go. 39 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:42.039 And I was on my way home, which was Trinidadad at the time, 40 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:50.319 and so I was leaving that spot on Johnson Road, and I had my 41 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.319 dog. I had a I had two dogs at the time, but I 42 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:59.240 used to always take a dog with me to go out out to the I 43 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.719 mean to I out to a rural spot. I always used to take one 44 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.919 of the dogs with me. And at the time, I had our female 45 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:14.560 dog. She was an American bulldog, really good guard dog. She you 46 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:18.439 know, she was the type of dog that if people used to come over 47 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:23.560 to visit, we would have to like put her inside or put her somewhere 48 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.800 else. She was scary. She was a little scary and she didn't like 49 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.639 people coming up on the car. She was very protective of our truck. 50 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.439 She was a good guard dog. She would chase bear, she'd chase mountain 51 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:42.160 lions. She was kind of a scary dog like Froshe's dog, good guard 52 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:47.519 dog. And so she was with me that day and when we were leaving 53 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:54.920 the Johnson Road property, she started barking like a I didn't really understand, 54 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.759 like she was not a barking type dog. She was more like about growling, 55 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:02.399 like aggressive dog. And so she was barking in the truck and I 56 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:09.680 just thought maybe there was a cow or an elk or you know, something 57 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:14.519 that she was smelling. And she continued to do that for a while, 58 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:18.759 and I just kind of tried to ignore it. I wasn't really paying that 59 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:25.240 much attention to it because she's like that, she's a guard dog. And 60 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:30.160 so when I was going to the first gate that I would go through to 61 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:35.319 leave the property that i'd just been at two lock gates, it got a 62 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:41.399 little bit more intense. I would say definitely had me on alert. I 63 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.000 was like, what's going on the dogs? Was she looking at in one 64 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.759 particular position? Was she looking in one direction? She was being very aggressive 65 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.920 in my car, and I didn't know why. I just thought, like 66 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.959 I said, I thought it was like she smelled like something, you know. 67 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:00.360 And so when we got to the first gate, the first lock gate 68 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:08.160 my dog, I opened the door for her to get out with me to 69 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.720 unlock the gate, and she wasn't coming out of the car. And I 70 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:19.279 thought that was really strange. And I remember being like a little bit afraid, 71 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:25.560 not like overly afraid, but I she wouldn't come, so I like 72 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.160 put my leash on her. I put it on her collar, and I 73 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:32.920 kind of pulled her out with me and we went over and locked the gate. 74 00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:39.480 The dog was acting strange again, like she didn't she like got away 75 00:06:39.480 --> 00:06:42.720 from me and ran and got back in the car, very unlike my dog. 76 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.279 And I unlocked the gate, I got back in my truck and I 77 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:54.279 drove through. I got back out to lock it back up, and the 78 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.680 dog was I couldn't get the dog to come out, even if I put 79 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.319 the leash on her. I was trying to pour out. She wasn't coming. 80 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:08.199 She had her tail between her legs, she was shivering. She maybe 81 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:13.319 even like Peede like my dogs. Neither one of my dogs would ever pee 82 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:18.120 in the house or in my car, especially so the dog alerted me that 83 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:23.519 there was something wrong. I will say that I was on high alert when 84 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:28.399 all of this was happening, because even still to this day, Bobo, 85 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:32.360 and I've told you this already, like I don't fully believe in it. 86 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.399 I don't disbelieve in it. But and I don't know what I saw exactly. 87 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.279 I don't know. I can't say, yeah, I saw bigfoot, 88 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.519 that's exactly what it was. I can't really say that because it happened so 89 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:49.319 quickly, and these things were like heightened. There was like this heightened awareness 90 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:54.439 going on, you know. But it was scary. It's definitely, like 91 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.519 the scariest thing that's ever happened to me was when my dog was acting like 92 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:03.240 that. And then when I got back in my truck and I was between 93 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:09.839 the two lock gates, I saw something to the left of my truck. 94 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.319 It was very tall. It had glowing eyes, but it was dusk. 95 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.680 I will say it was dusk. Any animal's eyes glow like that, right? 96 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.800 What color? What color are the eyes? Amber? Like a like 97 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:33.159 a yellowish brownish amber color. Whatever it was. When it saw me notice 98 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:39.919 it, it started backing up. It recognized that I saw it, and 99 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:46.600 it started backing up further away from where I was, and it was really 100 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:54.799 tall. It reminded me of a what's the type of monkey that is orange? 101 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.399 Is that an orangutan? I'm not really sure it was, but it 102 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.120 was a very tall version of that. It was not a bear. It 103 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:09.639 wasn't anything I've ever seen before. It was it was like as tall as 104 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.320 the lowest branch of the tree, which was a tall tree. I would 105 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.159 say, I would say, you know, seven feet tall. If I 106 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.279 had to guess, it would be that tall. And again, like I 107 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.240 said, the amber glowing ice saying it, I think it was maybe you 108 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.320 know, it was dusk, so I don't know. It was just all 109 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:31.559 different factors. But the weirdest part about it was the dog, my dog, 110 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.639 the way she was acting, and also too, the way that the 111 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:43.279 like the whatever I saw when it saw me notice it and like see it 112 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.159 it. The way it responded was odd to me, Like it wasn't like 113 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:52.639 a normal animal response. I would say, but I didn't like take very 114 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:56.360 much time to look at the animal or like responded. The more I like, 115 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.639 instead of like getting out and unlocked the second gate, I floored my 116 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:07.000 truck and I ran through the second gate so I wouldn't have to stop and 117 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:15.720 get out, and I drove back to Trinidad with a wrecked vehicle and a 118 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.080 breaked out a dog in my car. It was very traumatic, I would 119 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.919 say. I mean we were both, you know, just railing from that. 120 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.840 And I remember at the time my ex boyfriend now he was very upset 121 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.320 that I had wrecked the truck. He didn't want to believe that maybe I 122 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.480 saw Bigfoot. I remember telling him, like, I think I might have 123 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.360 solved Bigfoot. He wasn't really you know, feeling that at the time. 124 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:50.039 And I remember that I was like, I'm going to reach out to my 125 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:56.919 friend, which was you, which was way before you ever started your show 126 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:01.639 or any of that stuff. Was really long time ago go and I remember 127 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.600 you were the one that like kind of talked me through it and asked me 128 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.679 questions and they were all relevant, and you know, it made me feel 129 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.639 like less crazy, I would say, not that I feel like I'm a 130 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.879 crazy person, It just, you know, it just felt more like, 131 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.639 yeah, that maybe that that was what it was. You know, what 132 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.600 did you say too, that when you were driving your dog was freaking out 133 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:31.320 like she'd be pointed like like you could. Her head was following whatever it 134 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.120 was you thought that was running, likely alongside my dog. I didn't know 135 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.919 what was going on until I saw it. I mean, my dog definitely 136 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:48.080 alerted me and made me like more hyper vigilant. I would say my dog 137 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.679 was what alerted if my dog hadn't been in the car, but bo, 138 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.159 I don't know, like I would have never even known that that that was 139 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.600 happening. The dog was like went from like a weird like bart cry to 140 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:09.360 like a howling to like almost like pissing herself in the truck. She was 141 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:13.720 terrified. And the dog was a not really dog guard dog, but her 142 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.320 head was like following. She was like looking specifically like she was tracking it. 143 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:24.720 I thought, yeah, my dog was definitely on high alert and definitely 144 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.440 like gave me all the cues and stuff that. I mean, she didn't 145 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.840 see what I saw. I mean she might have say, alway, I 146 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:33.840 saw too. I don't know, I mean it's a dog, but I 147 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:39.919 remember, like my dog definitely put me on to like being like, what 148 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.559 there's something going on? Like I just thought maybe it was like a wolf 149 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.799 or something that like my dog had never encountered. Before the way that she 150 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:54.320 was acting, she was terrified. You know. I go back and forth 151 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.799 like I know what I saw and I know how it felt and how scary 152 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:01.399 it was. But I I go back and forth to being like, well, 153 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:07.480 maybe my dog is what scared me, and I like, you know, 154 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.159 like I didn't imagine that. I know that that's not true, but 155 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:18.480 it definitely made me more aware. That makes sense. Had she not been 156 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.559 with me, I don't know what would have happened. I mean I was 157 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.440 between two locked gates when I saw that thing, whatever it was, and 158 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:33.039 if my dog hadn't alerted me to that, who knows what would have happened, 159 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:39.559 is what I think to myself. Honestly, stay tuned for more Bigfoot 160 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:48.759 and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. How 161 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:54.159 far was it from you? It wasn't really that far. It was like 162 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.200 I was in between two gates and the thing was in the tree line, 163 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.720 and as soon as the thing saw that I that I saw it is when 164 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.840 it started to retreat. And if I hadn't noticed it, would it would 165 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.159 it have as retreated? I mean, I go back and forth all the 166 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:16.919 time, like what would have really happened. If my dog hadn't alerted me, 167 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.120 I wouldn't even been looking for something, you know, Like I was 168 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:26.440 that my dog keyed me in it that there was something wrong, and I 169 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:31.559 saw something that I've never seen before. It's like something that you would see 170 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.320 in a nightmare. Can you describe anything else, like the shape of the 171 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.399 head or with the shoulders, Like, what else did you see? Like 172 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.480 length of hair? Was it longer in any spots, or lighter color or 173 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:46.360 darker color than any spots. It was like a reddish brown color. It 174 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:52.720 had longer, like longish hair. It wasn't short haired like I have a 175 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.720 short haired cat and I've been just recently caring for my friend's cats. They're 176 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:05.000 long haircuts. This thing had long hair. It was a longer It was 177 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.960 like a reddish brown color. The thing was tall. It was like I 178 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.039 mean, I'm guessing seven at least seven feet, if not taller than that. 179 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.600 I mean, it could have even been ten feet. I don't know. 180 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:24.679 It happened so fast, but it reminded me of a monkey, like 181 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:31.279 a not a monkey, but like a orangutang with that color, the color 182 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:39.279 and the shape of it. It had long arms, it was really tall, 183 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:46.519 it had very broad shoulders, and it was it wasn't like it wasn't 184 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.840 like anything I've ever seen before. I've never seen anything like that before. 185 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.639 I can't. That's why it's hard for me to describe it. Did you 186 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:56.000 get more of the impression it was like more like a human or more like 187 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.039 an animal. For the look it was, we were like a human, 188 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.639 but it was also very much like an animal. It was like a very 189 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:10.720 good cross. I would say, I can't wait to hear the other story. 190 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.159 I want to hear Rachel's story. I have questions for you, though, 191 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:18.320 because I was also on Johnson Road, so I'm curious, like where 192 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:22.039 on Johnson's were you? Like at what mile marker? All I can tell 193 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.240 you. I can't tell you on my own marker, but I can tell 194 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:30.399 you that the property that I was out was on a really nice creek. 195 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:37.799 It wasn't the Klamath, but it was like a tributary to that. I 196 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.960 think it was meta. I was going to say it's probably meta creek. 197 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.080 Yeah, yeah, and then I think so too. I mean, I 198 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.000 would have to ask him, but I felt like when I was at his 199 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.600 property, it was like I'd never that nobody in the whole world had ever 200 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:59.080 been to where I was at. It was so it felt so pristine and 201 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:04.680 untouched and just beautiful. And I felt a lot of really good vibes there, 202 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.599 and we had a little yurt. It was like he was trying not 203 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:14.079 to like really like touch the land and like build it up and do any 204 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:21.599 kind of like construction there that would like disrupt anything we were trying to be 205 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:25.880 and it was just felt like a really sacred space, way more than his 206 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.240 other spot, which but but you've been to the other spot, which is 207 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.160 more closer to Wichipec. Yeah, you know, leaving that spot and like 208 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:40.000 being so scared that was weird for me because I always really enjoyed being out 209 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.480 there. And I'll tell you I never went back out to that spot again 210 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.039 after that happened to me. I never went to either of those places after 211 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:56.279 that happened. It definitely was something that it gave me a really bad anxiety 212 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:03.079 about going out there again. And I never felt that but that way before, 213 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.720 and I had been going out there for like, you know, by 214 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.039 to seven years. I would say, Yeah, I mean I've been going 215 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:15.039 out there my whole life. My graam was born out there, our family 216 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:21.799 properties down like thirteen miles down Johnson's Road, almost about a mile up from 217 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.240 the Riffle. So my whole I mean, I get what you're saying, 218 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:30.039 Like going out there makes me happy, right, but it's like homecoming. 219 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.519 But also I think, I think it's really interesting because you know, I 220 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.519 grew up with stories about Bigfoot or Graham would call them the old people, 221 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.680 you know. For the listeners, I was just gonna say, Rachel's a 222 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.960 member of the Eurok tribe. Actually I'm a Euruq person enrolled at the Trinidad 223 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:51.119 Rancheria. Oh okay, I'm sorry, that's okay. We can talk to 224 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.759 tribal politics another show, maybe another show. But yeah, I'm a I'm 225 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.960 a York person. I grew up, you know, out here own. 226 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:08.359 But this family property, uh is above the village of Yacht, so it 227 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:15.440 has been. It was my great great grandmother's land and then inherited, uh 228 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.720 you know, through the generation. So my grandma had a piece and the 229 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:22.839 cousins had pieces up top. My uncle actually his place was out more toward 230 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:27.640 Meta. So I just I felt, you know, I felt real familiar 231 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.200 with that land out there. But I would tell you now, since it's 232 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:34.440 been so long since you've been out there, Amy, you would hardly recognize 233 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:40.960 it because they've done a lot of logging. But yeah, like I don't 234 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:42.400 know if you just want me to jump right into my story, Bobo. 235 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:48.640 Sure, yeah, I mean if any background unless or any what anything's pertinent, 236 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.920 just yep. Yeah, Like I said, I mean, I grew 237 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.200 up with lots of bigfoot or sasquatch stories. You know, I think I've 238 00:19:56.200 --> 00:20:00.240 told you one night long ago out there in Samoa about my auntie, like 239 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:06.119 going to fish Lake and like having it. You had to knock or two 240 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:08.279 rocks together like three times, like you know, tap them three times as 241 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:12.680 you're going around. And then one time she was out there gathering sticks or 242 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:18.000 something and was hitting her rocks and then had it come back at her and 243 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.880 start getting closer like it was mimicking what she was doing, and she took 244 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:23.680 off out of there. Also this, I just have to tell you. 245 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.039 I think I told you this before too, when your show was happening. 246 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:30.799 My Graham liked to watch it, and she's like, you tell that, 247 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:36.480 Bobo that they're only going to show themselves when they want to, because they're 248 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:41.200 interdimensional creatures. Oh my god. I had somebody tell me that recently from 249 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:47.279 your tribe. Actually, they say only certain people can see it. Yeah, 250 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:49.920 when they want to show themselves to you, you'll see them. That's 251 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:55.559 what Grandma always said, So yeah, might again. It was like about 252 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:00.359 twenty years ago, summertime. You know, I had been I went up 253 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.200 there a lot. My brother and I were staying up there quite a bit, 254 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:04.640 like our whole family used to always be up there all the time. 255 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.200 And then I was trying to get out of there, so it was like 256 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.839 just trying to get off of the hill before dark, like at least get 257 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.480 down into Ork by dark. So it would have been probably maybe seven or 258 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.440 eight o'clock because it was like the golden hour, right, the sun was 259 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.759 like just going down. It was beautiful. Everything was like bathed in like 260 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.880 this golden light. And I had been like just ripping down the road. 261 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:32.759 I used to drive a lot faster down that road, and I had my 262 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:36.400 old like Toyota truck, so I was with it had a lift on it, 263 00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:41.279 so I was kind of up pretty high, and I came around the 264 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:47.680 corner. I was probably somewhere around like mile mark or five four or five 265 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.759 like closer actually did to turn off to meta honestly, so probably quite near 266 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.279 where you had your sighting amy, And it was like rip around the corner. 267 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:03.759 You know, the sun's like glowing, everything's kind of this like beautiful 268 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:07.960 golden shimmery thing, you know, and I come whip it around. Yeah, 269 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:12.680 I come whip it around the curve, and I see. I mean 270 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:17.160 it was like so fast, right, so I'm like my brain's trying to 271 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:22.279 catch up with what like what I'm seeing with like known things, you know. 272 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.839 And it was this creature. I would say, at first I thought 273 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.359 it was a bear, but it was standing up on two legs and it 274 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.720 all had like its arms like kind of outstretched long arms. So it couldn't 275 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:40.279 have been a bear because it was almost like like lateral where bears when they 276 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:42.480 are standing their arms, their shoulders don't work that way, you know, 277 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:47.240 their arms stay in front of them. But it was right there in this 278 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:52.759 clearing, and there's just like in retrospect, it appeared to be enjoying the 279 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:56.720 sunset. If it's you know, if that's a thing that they can I 280 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.880 mean, I believe that bigfoot can enjoy sunsets. And it was just sort 281 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:06.079 of like basking, you know, in this golden globe. And then it, 282 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:12.359 you know, I disrupted its peaceful moment and it dropped down on all 283 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:18.720 fours and started like running next to my truck because I had slowed down, 284 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:25.119 and I was like, what the hell it was? Probably, I guess 285 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.640 on all on both feet it was somewhere between seven and eight feet, is 286 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:33.039 what I would guess, because then it started like keeping pace with my truck, 287 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.000 and I had slowed down to like try to figure out if I was 288 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:37.039 it was going to run in the road and like hit it. I didn't 289 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.599 want to hit it whatever, you know, and my brain was still trying 290 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:42.680 to say bear. But it was just too tall. I mean, I've 291 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:48.960 seen big bears out there, lots of lots of bears out there. It 292 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:52.279 was too tall, way too tall. You know. There's no grizzlies out 293 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.200 there, no more. And they're not the right It's not the right color. 294 00:23:55.279 --> 00:24:00.079 It was like that reddish brown sort of orange color. It long longer 295 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.759 fur, like you were saying, not overly like swishy, but it was 296 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.920 furry. You know. Hands did not have fur on them. I don't 297 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.960 think feet had, you know, I couldn't see the pads of his feet, 298 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.759 because at that point it was like right next to me, but I 299 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.920 know that there was no fur on the hands. And then, like I 300 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:22.200 said, it was just keeping pace with me, and it was probably for 301 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.000 no more than like a thousand yards, you know, because it was in 302 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:32.039 this clearing on the left side of me as I was headed probably west at 303 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:37.720 that point on Johnson's Road, back toward Bald Hills Road, and it just 304 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.200 kept pace. And then at one point, like it was right it pulled 305 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.599 right up alongside my truck. It was I could have reached my hand out 306 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.400 the window and touched it, and my window was down. It was cracked, 307 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:59.160 and its back was probably right in line or a little bit above my 308 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.119 window line. So I'm fairly short, so it kind of came to my 309 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.480 shoulder. It's probably four foot off the ground, four and a half foot 310 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.680 off the ground on its arms and legs running, and then it just turned 311 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:17.279 and like it turned and looked at me and right in my face, and 312 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:21.559 then like I was just like what the heck, you know, and then 313 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.319 it peeled off into the brush and I just kept going, and I was 314 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:29.079 like, all right, well that happened, you know, was that like 315 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.799 the scariest thing that's ever happened to you? No, because I grew up 316 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.279 with stories about them, you know what I mean. I also grew up 317 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.319 with stories of like engine devils out there, and so what I was taught 318 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.440 is like, if you see those would call them mama. If you see 319 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.480 them, you don't show no fear. You know, you don't show no 320 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:52.119 fear, or they can't you know, they can do to you things that 321 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:56.880 you don't want done to you. So but it wasn't threatening. It was 322 00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.799 just like, what's up? You know, you've intruded up on my beautiful 323 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:06.119 moment? Like you know, you see me downright? You think it was 324 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:08.359 next to you for about a thousand yards or so. Yeah, I mean, 325 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.440 it wasn't a very long stretch of road right there where there's prairie on 326 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.079 the side before the trees and the brush get too thick, so it was 327 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.000 open. It was kind of like in this clearing, and so you know, 328 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:22.680 you cut right around there's a cowfield. It's before the cowfield's like right 329 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:29.240 at hand corn road. So I came around the corner there's this clearing and 330 00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.880 then you know a little bit farther up, you get to those like barbire 331 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.319 fences where those folks have those cows. There's like a helicopter landing pad there 332 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.480 now. But it used to be open prairie. But yeah, no, 333 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.559 it ran. It ran for somewhere between eight hundred and a thousand yards because 334 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.599 it's not very big of a stretch of open prairie there, It wasn't at 335 00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:55.119 the time. And then you know, you get back into trees on both 336 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.920 sides and thick brush, so that's what it did. It like just sort 337 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:02.640 of took off into the brush as I kept going down the road, like 338 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.240 at that point, I wasn't gonna stop. You know, I've had all 339 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:11.920 kinds of animal encounters out there on that road, Like you know, see 340 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:15.799 the biggest mountain lion I've ever seen in my life, and it's real skinny. 341 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.839 And then you know, a hundred yards down the road, my truck 342 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:21.920 breaks down. I have to get out, you know, like all kinds 343 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:23.839 of stuff, all kinds of bears, all kinds of things. One time, 344 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.079 we're's out because we used to sleep on the deck in our family's house 345 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.640 and Graham would sleep inside. And I got up and went to the bathroom 346 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.839 about five o'clock in the morning maybe, and she's just looking out the window. 347 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.000 She goes, oh, good, you're alive. I said, what 348 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:41.240 happened. She's like, oh, there's a big panther on the roof. 349 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.079 She watched it like jump down off the road onto the roof of the house 350 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.079 and like was just watching us all asleep where Like you know, one time 351 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:52.799 some real smart fellow left to salmon sitting on the deck and I woke up 352 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:56.960 to a bear like licking it closer and closer to us, trying to get 353 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:02.319 at it. So I've seen lots of stuff out there. And so when 354 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:03.880 you first saw it, you were driving up and you said it was kind 355 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.880 of the road there was kind of going I guess south, and it was 356 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.400 facing it was facing Westias kind of saw like an a partial profile. Was 357 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.200 that the case? And how far from the road was it? I thowt 358 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.839 it's back first. It was full on like like basking in the sun, 359 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.680 like in this like golden light as the sun was setting, and like so 360 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:29.160 I saw it its arms outstretched, it was on two feet, you know. 361 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.519 I saw it's back first, and it was mostly human shaped, you 362 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.680 know, but when bears stand up too, this is like, as an 363 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:42.799 aside, one of the things about bears if you ever find a bear skeleton 364 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.759 in the woods, not that their bones necessarily articulate as human, but their 365 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:53.920 hands do. So if you find a bear's hands, it's real easy to 366 00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:03.039 confuse bare hand carples with human hands because like specifically the carpals, the only 367 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:07.839 difference is on a human, like if you look at your knuckle, the 368 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:12.519 human knuckle is like a I know the anatomical names, but I can't remember 369 00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:15.599 him. But anyway, there's like those two like kind of ridges or I 370 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.640 mean points, and then there's a valley in between, right, and that's 371 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:26.519 where your tendons go. And on a bear's there's a ridge in the middle 372 00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.200 because it's got two tendons that go through, so it can have that real 373 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:34.240 strong like claw action, you know. So I'm saying all of this and 374 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.880 only to say that, like I understood in that moment that this was not 375 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:45.599 a bear because it didn't have bare hands, and bears can also appear human 376 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.720 like at times, and there's stories about that, but the ain't the time 377 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.440 for that either. But yeah, I know it just like full on was 378 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:59.400 standing there. I saw its back it like kind of turned its head a 379 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:04.680 little bit to its right, like is it recognized that I was kind of 380 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:11.200 coming, And then it dropped down onto its hands and feet and then just 381 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.160 started like sort of like galloping, you know, sort of next to me. 382 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.519 I was probably going twenty five miles an hour at that point. I 383 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.039 slowed way down because I didn't want to hit it. And, like I 384 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:26.359 said, still try it in my brain to work out is this unknown entity? 385 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.400 Like it's not a bear? What is it? How can it not 386 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.319 be a bear? You know, what the hell else could it be? 387 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:38.160 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right 388 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:48.599 back after these messages. So you were dripping up like twenty five miles an 389 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.319 hour. It was standing like how far from the road, like five ten 390 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:56.599 feet? Oh yeah, easy, maybe not even between five and ten feet. 391 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.240 When it started running as you passed, it kind of just all of 392 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:00.640 a sudden just took off. I was just kept up with you right away. 393 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.960 Yeah, it was just running right alongside me. And at that point 394 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.759 it was like a foot and a half two feet from me, like from 395 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.960 the side of my truck, just running alongside me. And like I said, 396 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.200 because That's what I was going to ask you, Amy, is like, 397 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.720 did you notice like a smell, because I like got hit in the 398 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:25.599 face with a smell and it was like kind of reminded me, you know 399 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.240 how bears kind of have a distinctive stout smell or even elk elk smell a 400 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.720 little bit more like musky. I don't know if anybody's ever noticed that, 401 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.400 but I have. And that's what it was, Just like a real kind 402 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.160 of musky scent, like not gross or anything, not displeasing, but I 403 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:48.480 feel like I believe that that's true, but I can't remember smell, like 404 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.599 smelling something. But at the time, like I told you, I was 405 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.119 so scared, and I think it's so great that you want afraid of there 406 00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:04.759 because you had heard stories and stuff, whereas I had no idea other than 407 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.119 like someone like Bobo telling me that there was a big foot, and I 408 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.240 remember being like, maybe that's true, but maybe, like I don't know, 409 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.599 like I wasn't like I fully believe in this or I fully disbelieve in 410 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:22.319 this, you know, But when that happened to me, he was definitely 411 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.279 the person that I felt like I could talk to about it. One d 412 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.039 O for sure. I feel like too, like just because like I grew 413 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.640 up in like in my community like these we we have these stories. It's 414 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.480 still you know, I was totally resonating with what you were saying. For 415 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:44.200 like, you don't really want to have these conversations with people and the story. 416 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.480 No, yeah, you got to like suss out whether or not they're 417 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.119 you know, going to be open to hearing this and not be dismissive of 418 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:58.799 your experience. It sounds absolutely crazy, but it's not. It's not it's 419 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.519 not something that I'm picking up. It's something that actually happened to me, 420 00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:07.240 something that I will never forget. It's definitely, like I said, the 421 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:13.319 scariest thing that's ever happened to me. And so to hear their people's stories 422 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:19.240 makes me feel not so alone in it. I know that Native said that 423 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.799 they that they show themselves in like certain times and to certain people, and 424 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.759 I think that's true. But I also think and I think I know that 425 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.680 they also screw up, like they're not perfect, and that they get seen 426 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.799 by people that they don't want them, they don't want to It was probably 427 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:42.480 me, like I said, the thing were treated so quickly as soon as 428 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:47.160 it saw me see it, it started backing up really fast. Sometimes I 429 00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.759 think, like what if they're just messed around, they're like when see why 430 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.519 to see we freak this check out. I think they show themselves to natives, 431 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.960 like like sometimes in the native scene or a lot of the times like 432 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.160 that has a that is like a certain like a because like not all, 433 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:07.559 not all humans are like Tibetan monks or you know, like these cloister nouns. 434 00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.599 There's certain people on different levels of spiritual art. I think those things 435 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.960 are kind of the same. And I think there's also maybe entities that that 436 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:21.320 take on their shape or you know, like use maybe use their body to 437 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.119 travel because it's more efficient to travel, or they have a certain purpose to 438 00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.760 achieve so they go in that form. Yes, I agree with you, 439 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.400 Bobo. You know what I think sometimes too, is about like because they 440 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.559 have purpose here, right, They're like they're not just play and hide and 441 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.679 seek. You know, they have a purpose and responsibility to this place just 442 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.440 like we do. So you know, it might be that they're checking in 443 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:51.280 to see like what in the heck are those crazy humans doing now to this 444 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.719 place that we're responsible to. I would look at it like that Rachel, 445 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:59.119 I wanted to get a little bit back into your sighting, so you pull 446 00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.840 up to it and has bad to you. Was it like a brick like? 447 00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.119 Wise, shoulders all thick? All my dollar? Was it more v 448 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.159 shaped? How was the body proportions? Yeah, it had really broad like 449 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.079 muscular shoulders like you know, because like I said, it's arms were extended, 450 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.199 so you could see the musculature. Not like walking like a zombie with 451 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.239 its arms out in front of it extended, you mean, just like hanging 452 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.519 to the sides. But no, it had its arms like spread out like 453 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.639 it was like literally the only thing in my description is like basking in the 454 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.320 sun like you ever see like people like praying with their hands their their arms 455 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:40.400 outstretched and hands upturned like it was literally like receiving like the light. You 456 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:44.320 know. That's what it looked like to me. That's my reference. What 457 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.719 it was actually doing, I don't know. But it had its arms out 458 00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:51.960 stretched to its sides like so it could stretch them out laterally like a human 459 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.480 could, right whereas like if you see bears there, their shoulders don't rotate 460 00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.679 out like that was kind of like in the Jesus crucified post or or is 461 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.000 it ours one in front of it? No, a little not all the 462 00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.119 way not all the way back, a little bit forward, but yeah, 463 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:20.119 I mean arms outstretched like as though like receiving something, you know. Yeah, 464 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:22.760 And then like I said, it sort of like leaned like it didn't 465 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.880 turn away or all the way around, but it sort of like tilted its 466 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.800 head back toward me, like as it heard me coming, which I find 467 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:32.280 hard to believe. It didn't hear me coming or feel the vibration in my 468 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:37.039 truck for a while, you know, but it made you know, who 469 00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.679 knows, it was just enjoying what it the you know, enjoying the view. 470 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:46.000 It was just a really gorgeous sunset. It happened to be also so 471 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.400 yeah, and like you know, because it was that the Golden Hour, 472 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.480 everything just had that real sort of like dreamy hue, and it was sort 473 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:01.039 of like you could see like the light kind of filtering through like some of 474 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.519 the wispier ends of the fur. And this is you know, this is 475 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.960 all happening quickly. But this has kind of burned into my brain because how 476 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.239 you know, how many times has this happened to a person? You know, 477 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.559 do you see the eye color I had to have because its face was 478 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.039 right in my face. But it's probably I mean, it's not sticking out. 479 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:27.159 I'm it's sort of just brown. All I'm seeing is brown in the 480 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:31.400 face. Did you see it transition from uh, standing up on all on 481 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.719 two feet to did you see it transition on all fours? Then it started 482 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.880 and then it started running? What happened? And last yes, Yeah, 483 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.280 it went so like I said, it sort of like leans a little bit, 484 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.320 so like heard that I was coming, so it's being interrupted. And 485 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:52.800 then it dropped to all fours and started running alongside my truck. And then 486 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.119 as I was getting to the end of the clearing, like I said, 487 00:37:55.159 --> 00:38:00.039 it like turned and looked at me. I guess I had brown like b 488 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.920 Ownish eyes, maybe lighter brown, but I wouldn't say they were like glowing 489 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.239 amber or anything like that. As you passed it, it just kind of 490 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:12.079 dropped like it dropped down on all fours as you like as you're pulling up 491 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.639 next to it, and then it just ran like instantly as going as fast 492 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:16.960 as you were agoing like twenty five. Yeah, it was just like kind 493 00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:22.039 of next to me. I might have slowed down even more than that was 494 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.519 he in the brush still that kind of he was like jumping over stuff, 495 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.559 like having to avoid things. Correct because we were in an open clearing. 496 00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.960 It was like, like I said, it was just this this stretch of 497 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.760 like prairie that's off to the side right there. It doesn't look like that 498 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.199 anymore right now, you know, But back then it was like a little 499 00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.280 stretch of open prairie for a good thousand yards and then it chokes up in 500 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.000 a brush. Did it make any noise? I want to say, like 501 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.360 I heard like breathing, but it might have been me, dude, Like 502 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:57.079 you know what I mean, Like I can't recall noise. But I also 503 00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.440 had the radio on because I was always blasting music and stuff'll do. But 504 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.360 and I didn't like turn the radio down. But I remember the smell. 505 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.679 Does it sticking in your nose afterwards? Like even after New York it wasn't 506 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.400 there. You still smell like them? Oh no, And it smelled like 507 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.639 my truck smelled like it because it was like right rubbing up like it was 508 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.360 right there, Like I don't feel like it was touching and it find any 509 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.880 fur afterward and anything like that. But yeah, I could still smell it 510 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.239 like around my truck for a good while. And I've like, you know, 511 00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.840 you ever like drove through the elk kurd it for trying to get out 512 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.159 to Freak Canyon when they won't move. I've been face to face with elk 513 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.199 and so they kind of you know, transferred their smell a little bit for 514 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.480 a while. Did you notice the hands when it was on all fours? 515 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.559 But do you know if it do you know something was knuckle like when knuckles 516 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.519 down, flat hands, No knuckles not flat hands. Knuckles, Oh, 517 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.320 you definitely saw them. It was on knuckles after when it took off past 518 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.239 me, not when it was right next to me. I couldn't see down, 519 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.280 but I could see it's back. That's what I was watching, Like 520 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:02.000 it's back and because it was like slightly behind, you know, so I 521 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.920 can see its back and shoulders like moving and the muscular chure moving as it 522 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.239 was running beside me. How did it run? Like? Did it seem 523 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:13.800 like a horse or a bear or a dog? Like? Did it reminds 524 00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.800 you or deer? Did like? Did like the motion of it? Did 525 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:21.079 it? Could you get a sense of that? Was it fluid or jerky 526 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.119 awkward kind of or no? It was fluid, so maybe not like a 527 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:29.159 bear because you know how bear's a lumber, you know, and not like 528 00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.000 a bear at all. It was fluid. Maybe more like a horse a 529 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.400 little bit, but not exactly because her horses are a little more jerky. 530 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.199 Was this was the front end up like somebody will describe it almost like Haina 531 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.159 when they're on the all fours, like the lowe back end, like the 532 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.199 butt ends much lower than the than the front. I couldn't see that because 533 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.920 it was right next to me, so I was looking directly at its like 534 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:57.280 back and shoulders. How why would you suspect the shoulders were just guessing I 535 00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:01.239 don't know, like maybe four feet pretty wide, pretty wide, and like 536 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.960 it tapered down. It didn't have like hips or nothing. You know. 537 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.440 It was sort of V shaped, but like muscular enough legs. They weren't 538 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:14.440 like skinny stick legs. You know. It was hard to see the like 539 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.880 the musculature there because it was like furry, you know, as I was 540 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.480 standing up. But you know, I've been thinking about all this time, 541 00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.119 like I don't remember seeing like a butt or nothing. You know, I 542 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:27.360 wasn't focused on that. It was so quick, you know, I thought, 543 00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.480 well, shoot, I don't remember that part of it. I remember 544 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.559 its shoulders, and again, like I said, my brain was trying to 545 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.480 compute what am I seeing and make it fit like things that I knew, 546 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.280 and dismissing it. And by that point when I'm like, that is not 547 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:45.000 a bear, it's running next to me. So I couldn't see much more 548 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.840 of its anatomy. I didn't see like it's chest or abdomen or anything like 549 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.199 that. Was the hair equally thick like? Was it? Was it thick 550 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.960 all the way down? No? I feel like it tapered off a little 551 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.559 bit around like the waist and hips, not like showing it just wasn't as 552 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:06.360 thick. It wasn't like looking at my frame of reference right now was like 553 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:09.519 solely from Monsters, inc. You know, where the furs like equally shaggy 554 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.440 and so it appears round. It didn't look like that. It didn't look 555 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:19.880 like that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 556 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:29.280 We'll be right back after these messages. So you said it took off like 557 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.159 a rocket, So if you were driving say twenty at this point, did 558 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.920 it like double your speed when it took off that sort of thing. Yeah, 559 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.719 no, it went fast. It was probably going at least thirty five 560 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.360 into the brush. It took off at that point. It was like a 561 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.199 streak. People say it's like a cartoon almost seeing them like, it's almost 562 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.480 like watching a cartoon. They're so fast. Yeah, No, it was 563 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.719 very fast. It was pretty incredible. That's when I was like, all 564 00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.519 right, well I'm going to just keep going. That's done now, you 565 00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.280 know, I'm going to at my go to. Poor Gram passed away a 566 00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.320 year ago, but she was always my go to for all the things. 567 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.440 You know. I got to get home and tell Graham about this one. 568 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:13.840 What's she saying? She was like, why were you being so disruptive? 569 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.280 You couldn't have slowed down or turned your music down? Geez? You know. 570 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.480 Oh, so she thought I was there to tell you, like, 571 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.159 hey, you're kind of disrespecting the area out hear what you're doing. Is 572 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.079 that what her depression was? No, she was she just like to give 573 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:30.519 me heck because you know, I was just because that's what Graham did, 574 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:35.880 you know, So, no, she was. She she just said exactly 575 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.280 all the things I've said. Yeah, you know, there are things interdimensional. 576 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.800 They don't live here all the time. They can come and go. 577 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.800 If they show themselves to you, it's for a purpose, you know, 578 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.599 think about what it is that their lives are like, you know, they 579 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.880 have purpose. So you know, who knows he was just out here for 580 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:59.360 a minute enjoying the sun sunset. You know, I did get the sense 581 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:06.239 with any evidence that it was male, just for I don't know why, 582 00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.480 but that's the sense that I got. Yeah, I think that the V 583 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:16.000 shaped ones are usually the males. The females have a wider hip like like 584 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.519 like human females, you know, they have like the wider yeah for the 585 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.960 birth can of and all that, and they so, yeah, they're much 586 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:28.760 more shaped like a block or an apple, whereas the males are fully triangular 587 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.679 V shaped like wild shoulders and more tapered waist. I wish that I could 588 00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.480 be more descriptive about the face because it was so shocking. But what I 589 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.079 do remember it was like, you know, smaller features. It didn't have 590 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.480 like overly large features. I'm trying not to replace like known things like it 591 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:53.320 certainly didn't look like a gorilla or a primate. It really sort of looks 592 00:44:53.400 --> 00:45:00.239 human. About the nose broad a little broader, kind of flat, but 593 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.400 not huge, you know, not big. Can I ask when this happened, 594 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.440 Rachel, Yeah, this would have been like in the summer of probably 595 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:14.519 two thousand and three or four. It's just I can't even tell you a 596 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:19.400 month I was just up I was up there that particular year. I think 597 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.960 it was two thousand and three as now, it's like very close to the 598 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.280 time that I saw it, saw the same similar thing. Yeah, my 599 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.480 setting was about that mile and a half from there, and mine was May 600 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.840 twenty first or May twenty six, two thousand and one. Interesting on the 601 00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.159 same road. What my own marker were you at you think for the sighting? 602 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.320 Well, for when I had that crazy encounter, I was two and 603 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.280 a half miles from the fire station on if anyone looking on Google Maps you 604 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:52.480 go to or California, o Rick, you go, like if you look 605 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:59.199 up wald Hills Road just north of town, it travels east east, southeast, 606 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:04.719 southeast, and fifteen road miles up as Johnson Road. There's a CalFire 607 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.320 CDF forest fire station there on the corner of Johnson Road, and Johnson onlygoes 608 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.800 left to the north and you go left up there. But yeah, it's 609 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:19.360 it's so changed that that they've logged everything up there. It's I couldn't even 610 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.480 like. It took me a couple of tries to find where I had my 611 00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.920 sighting because it was so looks so completely different. I don't even recognize the 612 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.519 road at some point, you know, they've logged so much, and I've 613 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.239 been going up through my whole life. All the landmarks that I had are 614 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.440 going you know, yeah, yeah, for real, it's weird. It's 615 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.000 strange, all right. It was anything else, anything else that you can 616 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:45.079 maybe you forgot to mention earlier, that stands out to you at all. 617 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:51.280 I'm just so blown away about about how similar our two stories are, even 618 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:58.719 though she had something that ran alongside her vehicle whereas whatever, and I think 619 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.119 it might have been because of my oh it scared whatever it was off, 620 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:12.280 But so semi some other crazy person who no, like I said, I 621 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.039 mean, these are old stories. So there's lots of us, lots of 622 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.199 us around here who if we haven't seen them, we've grown up with the 623 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:23.480 stories and know who these people are, you know. So the stigma was 624 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:29.519 definitely diminishing, like you know, like just even when that twenty twenty five 625 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.920 years ago. Nowadays, it's so much more acceptable to say you solve them 626 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.719 without being everyone just going what the hell are you talking about? Like, 627 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.800 you know a lot of people don't go, oh, really what, They 628 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:39.559 don't laugh, they go really, what happened? Right? They're not like, 629 00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.440 okay, you know X files or whatever. Well, I'm really happy 630 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:47.039 that we finally sat down to do this. I know we've been talking about 631 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.800 it for a while, so I appreciate your patience. Hey, thanks so 632 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.199 much for coming on. That was great. I've been looking forward to this 633 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.639 for a long time, and the people listening to this appreciate you coming on 634 00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.280 and sharing their stories. It's it's it's really for me. It's just so 635 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.880 it's where I had my first major encounter, and then five days there I 636 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.920 had my first sighting. So for me, it's always you know, like 637 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.920 it's got that's my first time. Well, thank you so much for asking 638 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.920 me to come on. I appreciate it. And yeah, let me know 639 00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.960 we'll hang out and chat some more. Sounds great. Thanks Rachel. All 640 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.480 right, take care and thank you too. That was awesome you came on 641 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.280 and told that story. I've mentioned it on the air for years and years, 642 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:31.719 so now that people got to hear it from straight from the horse's mouth. 643 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.639 Okay, folks, thanks so much for tuning in and listening. We 644 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:45.000 appreciate the support, and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy. Thanks 645 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.000 for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what 646 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.199 you heard, please rate and review us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and 647 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:58.440 Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram at 648 00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:04.199 Bigfoot and Beyond. You can find us on Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond. 649 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.239 That's an N in the middle, and tweet us your thoughts and questions with 650 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:17.920 the hashtag Bigfoot and Beyond.