WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:07.559 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacin Salaz on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:13.960 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services. I'm sure your most prized possessions kt 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:18.879 c R two sad at iHeartRadio station. Ye Goo, Good afternoon, everybody. 4 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.600 Welcome to Ion the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:27.600 Riverta, He's Jacin Zos. Got our guy Kevin in today. How about 6 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.079 them Lions? About them lions, man, but keep it on your hex 7 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.039 your your hexes and your pins and needles. I didn't I didn't bet anything 8 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:39.079 last night. I didn't bet on the Lions, so obviously they will cover. 9 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.280 And I did not bet on the Diamondbacks, although I'm getting text messages 10 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:47.200 and emails and stuff from people saying that I wrecked the Diamondback. Yes, 11 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.200 I said on the I joked on the show that I was gonna put a 12 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.200 hundred bucks on him because Magruder said they were gonna win. You guys, 13 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:56.439 what did I tell you guys? Don't listen to Jack or you. You 14 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:02.960 guys have been wrong twice now. So I did not. I had nothing 15 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:07.120 to do with anything that happened last year. Wink. But first. But 16 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.079 first let's get to the news of the day. Yeah, what in the 17 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:15.079 world is going on with Kirk Chris. I don't know. I don't think 18 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:18.040 it did. It sounds like he did something not so good. That word 19 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:21.000 that's worthy of nine game suspension? Nine games? You know what that The 20 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.120 funny thing is people are are are mocking is that Bill South got four games 21 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:32.120 for all that FBI stuff and the and the money stuff, money Launders and 22 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.239 all that stuff. And Kirk Creasa probably took, you know, a couple 23 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:40.040 of pairs of basketball shoes from somebody, and he's got nine games. We 24 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.879 don't know, we have nobody knows, nobody has said. But the impermissible 25 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:49.000 benefits are But what could it be that would cause them to get nine games? 26 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:51.840 Yeah, there was something in the ESPN story. Did you see the 27 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:56.359 Myra mencalf Here's a line in it. A source told ESPN that and the 28 00:01:56.519 --> 00:02:01.439 NCAA would not get involved if any international student received the nil deal, and 29 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:07.240 it would not be considered in person impermissible benefit. So that's very strange. 30 00:02:07.639 --> 00:02:12.759 Oh so maybe he did get some sort of benefit and then the nc double 31 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.680 A decided to go after him. Is that what he's kind of implying there, 32 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:17.439 well it's not an NC double A. But well they're not gonna get 33 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:21.879 involved with all that. Well they just did, right, they did as 34 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:23.800 gotten involved because they're the ones that suspended it. Because there is there is 35 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:29.719 some loopholes for international players. Right, they can't get certain things because I 36 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:34.759 have work bes blah blah Blahright, but I think that they're still allowed to 37 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.159 publish. They're not allowed to go work. But I think you know that 38 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:43.919 this money, the instance that Arizona assist raises and just hands out to the 39 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.599 I think they can get some of that, but for instance, they can't 40 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:51.639 go to the golf tournament and get paid for their time at that golf tournament 41 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.280 that Arizona assisted. I think that's what I recall hearing from Adam Lass when 42 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:59.240 you talk to you said there are some benefits that that that the international players 43 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:05.120 can get, but under their under their student visas, they can't work and 44 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:07.960 can't hold the job. So there's something like that. So who knows. 45 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:12.360 Well, but that's what complicates the whole thing, and it's it's the when, 46 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.759 right when was it under Sean or was it under you know, Steve 47 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:23.120 yd in a situation like this, it's so public. Why doesn't somebody, 48 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:28.240 why don't they just tell us? Right? Because I don't know what you 49 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.199 know, why doesn't West Virginia or even Kirk come out and say, look, 50 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:32.599 this is what it is. Well, privacy rights, private kids. 51 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:37.039 I know, I get that, I get that, so but somebody can't 52 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:38.800 you know, somebody can come out and say this is what happened. You 53 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.479 know, Kirk cries, it can get from me to say, okay, 54 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.560 this is what he did, just so you guys know it's not as bad 55 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.000 as you think it is, or it's worse than you thought it was. 56 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:49.240 But here's what I did, you know what I mean? Yeah, such 57 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.960 a public thing. Maybe he will eventually, you remember he already this is 58 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.759 equivalent a mission an entire year. And let me say why because remember when 59 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.479 he first got right, he missed first half of the sea half the season. 60 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:00.680 Now he's making the first half of this one, right, so it's 61 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:06.199 almost he's right season. He's running a seasons right, right. But I 62 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:13.400 you know, I don't know, I don't know how you evaluate or you 63 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.199 know, change whatever the rules and the policies are, as far as it's 64 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:20.480 goes. Because it's so public yet I understand, you know, the privacy 65 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:26.879 laws whatever, but you know, something happened. It affects a basketball program 66 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.800 that people put a lot of money into. Sure, I think they have 67 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.240 a right to know. Yeah, yeah, but they're not. Unless something 68 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:36.360 comes out, they won't know. But let me say this, who was 69 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:40.439 I gonna go with this? Okay, So Arizona's on a three year of 70 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:45.360 probation, right, yeah, stemming from whatever back in the day. Yeah, 71 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.519 and here we are, well and this is one of those things though 72 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.800 that you know, how does how did the U of A know? Well, 73 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:55.160 we don't know if the U of A you they had to have been 74 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.279 they had to have been told before all this stuff broke last night or whatever 75 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:01.199 it broke, you knew, they already knew. It was very strange. 76 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:06.439 And let me just say that that the U. Because you're gonna you're an 77 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:10.839 investigated guy. Oh yeah, as far as that goes. You're talking about 78 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.920 what did they know when it was happening? Oh yeah, they maybe I 79 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:19.240 don't know, right, No, just well in August. No, but 80 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:24.879 while Kerr was taking whatever pissible benefits he was taking, how were they supposed 81 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.360 to know? They were that's how it happens. You don't know, Yeah, 82 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.439 you don't know. Now do you punish the school for that? Or 83 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:36.160 do you just punish Kerr for that? Well, I mean, in its 84 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:40.000 infinite wisdom, I'm sure the n C Double A is looking for a way 85 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.800 to panelize Arizona for that. Well, look at you speaking like a fan. 86 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.720 Well, because that's what the n C Double A does. They penealized 87 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.399 the wrong people all the time. I'm not I'm not saying you're gonna pick 88 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.000 on her. I'm not saying it's just because it's Arizona. I'm saying they 89 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:59.319 so often panelized the wrong people, like the as football players at sure on 90 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.319 the roster this year, panelized for the crap that Herm Edwards and Antonio. 91 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:06.800 That's just what it is. That's what sins of the father. That's that's 92 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:12.519 what I say. So does you know does this team? Does this team 93 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.279 get penalized for what Kirka did if he did, say last year? Man, 94 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.120 I don't know that. I don't know, because it would it would 95 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.399 adventure to guess it. It takes some time to look into this unless they 96 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:26.199 already started the clocking this and now that they're on probation already, right, 97 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.639 that well, it exacerbates the whole thing. Yeah, because what's your probation. 98 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.839 You can't keep you can't you got God doing more stuff, you get 99 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:38.720 in bigger trouble. Right, this this would be a crushing blow if it's 100 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:42.879 serious. But according to one of the guys that we work with, sure, 101 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.319 there's kind of nothing there. Yeah, and he s, that's what 102 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:47.879 the impression of the thing is. What you believe or what you want to 103 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.319 believe, that's on your own. But he kind of infers that, right, 104 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:54.160 yeah, he said, he said, it's not what you think it 105 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.800 is, so and he probably knows. I mean, I can think the 106 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.319 worst though. Yeah, you can do no, of course, you course 107 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.399 I can. I can go down into the depth of my brain and the 108 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.319 others. I got a lot of Texas morning saying you know what's going on? 109 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:10.199 I said, I know as much as you do. And I and 110 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:14.439 you you requested the will. I asked if if Arizone was going to issue 111 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.519 a statement, I still haven't heard. I've been at the most and Kevin 112 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:21.399 wants to say something the most, I'll probably reacknowledge that that something has been 113 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.240 done and we're and that's all we can say. Yeah, you know, 114 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:29.360 oh nothing. I was just gonna like quick mention that, well, yes, 115 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:31.959 you could be thinking the worst if it's if you're optimist and you're thinking, 116 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:36.759 oh, he probably just what well thing what if well, it's it's 117 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:41.759 minor enough or major enough to create a nine game suspension. Nine games is 118 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:46.759 a lot. That's almost In the ESPN article that you referenced, they said 119 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.959 that West virgin didn't find out until August, right, it's likely that Arizona 120 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:54.120 might have found out about the same time. If yeah, no question, 121 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:59.600 that's there's no questions. Yeah, and Curt's not telling anybody where he's getting 122 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.480 whatever he's getting until and and may may not have okayed anything when he got 123 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:05.959 it. You know, when you're gonna get something, to check with the 124 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.560 school and see if it's okay. He probably didn't. Didn't When did he 125 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:15.959 leave? Right? Yeah? Yeah, right after the May after this, 126 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:18.199 Okay, so you know it didn't happen in May, May, June, 127 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.040 July, August, it already had happened, right, Yeah, during the 128 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.759 school year, old school year of which year, that's the whole thing. 129 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.439 And it doesn't matter which year, No, no, no, it doesn't. 130 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.960 It doesn't. Well it does in a way because well the damage is 131 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.759 but done any year, and any let's say he did it while Sean Miller 132 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.919 was still here, while he was still playing Sean, then you know, 133 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.639 obviously Tommy Lloyd is completely off the hook. But if it happened, you 134 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.120 know, while tom you know, and while he was playing here for Tommy 135 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:50.039 Lloyd, then you know, how much does the finger get pointed at at 136 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:54.320 Tommy in the current program. So so let me, uh, sometimes you're 137 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.039 funny, it's rare Jay, but you you had that I'm funny, but 138 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:01.679 you said something did it made me laugh on your text to me or to 139 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.879 us, And that was if they didn't hate him, they do not do 140 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.120 no just because he didn't like Mexican foods. First of all, two months 141 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:15.759 ago, remember two months ago? Now this, but really, I mean, 142 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.720 you know, yeah, look, there are so many people here that 143 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.840 you could be mother Teresa, and if you do something bad to theirs on 144 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:31.080 the basketball program, you're off your your you know, no, your band 145 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:33.600 head bands are being burned right now. Yeah, hey, you were in 146 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.679 that Kurt Jersey. Yeah, it's for Steve whoever, whoever's got the kerr 147 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:39.679 Crock is setting on fire as we speak. You know, I saw some 148 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.240 guys with Kurt jerseys last night, and I'm sure you said I got it 149 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:48.000 for Steve Kerr not but remember the big deal over his crock and they you 150 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.840 know, whoever's got that is probably gonna toss that as well. So you 151 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.720 know, you can't you can't do stuff to the to the basketball program and 152 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.960 people get upset. Man. Yeah, it's just un fortunate, unfortunate. 153 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.559 I'm sure we'll we'll find out something soon. Okay, I just found uh 154 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.799 he ate he went into the transfer portal on July eighth. Oh no, 155 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:11.480 but that was the last year. No, that was the second time. 156 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.879 No, last year, yeah, I mean this year twenty twenty three. 157 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:18.200 Yeah, yeah, no, But remember he was leaving in the spring after 158 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.639 the the Ternament and then he went and he went to Virginia. He left 159 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:24.720 because Huggins got into trouble and then decided to come back. That's the second 160 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.120 time. That's the second time he got into it. Oh you're you're okay, 161 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.120 I see what you're saying. Okay, that he went in twice. 162 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.320 Yeah, he went in twice. So I'm thinking he went in in May, 163 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.799 right, after the tournament, because he had already said we had him 164 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:39.000 on the show when in May? Oh, it says here, okay, 165 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.480 now there's an April fifth art about this when he committed to West Virginia, 166 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:45.159 right, right, right, So then we had him on the show, 167 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:50.200 remember right after that? Yeah? Yeah, okay, all right, so 168 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.120 it would have been right, it would have been right after the NCAA tournament 169 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.879 then, yeah, he tell you, yeah, then we had him in 170 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.240 mid May. I'm in April. Yeah, and then he decided good, 171 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:05.240 you know, whatever you know it is. I mean, I don't know. 172 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:09.480 I mean, I don't think he's a bad guy, but you know, 173 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.799 he I mean, I'm sure he knew what the hell he was doing, 174 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.240 right, he had to have known that what he was doing was breaking 175 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.759 a rule? Did he? I mean, don't you think it depends on 176 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.120 what he did? And I mean, well, we're only gonna be able 177 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.080 to speculate. I mean, they're there, you know, I guess until 178 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:31.759 somebody goes and dosing guts. They're allowing us to do that because they're right. 179 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:37.600 And guess what we do on the show. We speculate. Speculation is 180 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:43.879 my middle name. Yeah? Was that popular at the time. Or was 181 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:48.080 that like unique decision for your parents just trying It was a it was a 182 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:52.000 thing. It was a thing. It was the thing at the time. 183 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.120 So again, uh, you know it's I mean, you know what, 184 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:58.080 Well, we're gonna have Bruce pasco On, who I'm sure chasing woke up 185 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.399 this morning. It was all bright eyed and bushy tailed, and you're going 186 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.799 to talk about last night's game and you know, all the things. And 187 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.840 then all of a sudden, this thing blows across the across the wire and 188 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.720 now he's busy working on this, just another one of those things, knowing 189 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.679 you wish didn't come along, knowing that, knowing that they're not going to 190 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.240 talk well last night, Henry, Henry is in a sling right, he's 191 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.480 not walking and he was limpy. He was not right walking correctly, and 192 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.480 they wouldn't say how it happened or when it happened. He got in a 193 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.600 wreck of some sort, fell stairs. No, no, no, I 194 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.240 think the golf course fell out of a golf cart. So you go ahead 195 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.720 and do your speculation. Jay, it's hard to get hurt on the golf 196 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.480 course. Well, they were, they had the things, unless they had 197 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:46.559 that golf tournament unless you like crash a golf if you're fooling around a golf 198 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.080 course a golf cart. Hell, I ran over some dude one time because 199 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.679 it is his right elbow and his right leg. Okay, he might have 200 00:12:54.960 --> 00:13:00.440 flew out. Yeah, being the passenger, you guys, you know what. 201 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.879 I've crashed a golf cart and you know it's going to crash, and 202 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:09.279 so you jump. Well, when you're an international player, you don't know 203 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.039 any of this because you don't it's probably harder for him to jump out of 204 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:16.240 the golf cart. And you see those videos on top of you or whatever. 205 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.600 If it's a golf course injury, Well that's kind of don't you think 206 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.679 we would have heard that though people? Yes, yes, but not we. 207 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.919 I know Bruce did, and I know Shane Dale didn't because he mentioned 208 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.799 that this morning in a tweet that did something happened last week? And have 209 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:39.240 got the golf and and uh And Bruce asked Tommy the speculation is or a 210 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:41.879 word on the street or whatever it was in a golf cart and he got 211 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:45.200 a little irritated and said, no, I'm not going to tell you the 212 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:50.480 specifics of it, but what is the difference. It's it's again, that's 213 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.759 what they do. We're living that day. But the I mean it, 214 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.080 actually it would kind of be like, oh, you crashed a golf cart, 215 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:58.080 bummer, kind of funny. Well, it's like it's like like plo, 216 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.120 you got the bike accident. Yea, how severe? Well severe enough 217 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.080 to go in all this. He still hasn't played, yeah, or he 218 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.840 tried to. But but now you've got other stuff. But you know he 219 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:13.240 doesn't play, you know. Oh man, we'll get to with Bruce and 220 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.320 we'll see what he's dug up in the last few hours. But I know 221 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.360 he's busy. I hate these stories, are hate because you know you're not 222 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.840 gonna get any help. You're not get any help. No, fine, 223 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.159 And we live in a world of no sources because you need to have sources, 224 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:30.200 right And here we are all right, here we are right Halloween night, 225 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:33.639 Man, you're going trigger treating Steve. I hate the trick or treating. 226 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.279 I hate it with the worst. He is the worst, the grinch 227 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.039 on all holidays. Look, I'm going to hand out these rich crackers rich 228 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.879 let's get the heck love them. 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But waiting for Bruce Pasco to give us a call and we'll talk 312 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:49.400 to him about what the heck is going on with Kirk Resa. But we 313 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:52.480 don't talk to some of the basketball stuff. We didn't. We didn't talk 314 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:53.519 about the last SATs game, which is one of the boring, most boring 315 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.000 games I've ever been to. Well, you know it was. It was 316 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:02.400 a weird game because it looked like Arizona's ain't really bad but the shooting percentage 317 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.680 wasn't awful. They had eighteen steels, but they had all those turnovers and 318 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:08.599 that that made it look messy. Well, the crowd was not very good, 319 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.640 and who's terrible crowd? Who's gonna go and watch that game? Right? 320 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.200 I know that team. I know one of the coaches on the team, 321 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.359 and I was like, what am I doing here? Some right neighborhood 322 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.680 and what am I doing here? And I told I told sheerho was next 323 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.440 to my god, I want to go home, which is no one's keeping 324 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:29.200 you because it was like it was bad. You saw the turnovers and the 325 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.160 shots and the blah blah blah. But when when they're sloppy like that, 326 00:21:32.279 --> 00:21:37.720 they're they're kind of messy, they're they're sometimes they're hard to track the thing 327 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.920 for you to turn over steel turnover, steel turnover, you know all that 328 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.799 stuff. And you know we didn't fall behind them. Yeah, we did 329 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.480 fine all night, but it was just those sloppy games like that, those 330 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:52.559 are those are harder than you know. Then you can have a game where 331 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:56.079 they both teams score one hundred points, but if there's flow to it, 332 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.920 you know, it's it's not a problem asked Tommy. I asked, Tommy, 333 00:21:59.920 --> 00:22:02.920 you know, what do you get out of this? And uh, 334 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.519 he said, I'll get anything out of anything. You know. Good bad 335 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.039 teacher. I'm a teacher. Yeada YadA. But you know, I was 336 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:12.039 thinking the one thing I wanted to ask him, but I didn't want to. 337 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.279 I thought it maybe a stupid question. If you're playing fast like they 338 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.960 do, right, they play fast? Is it tougher to do that than 339 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:23.359 going to happen? Right? But that's what they do. Bruce's is you 340 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:27.519 Bruce's shoe? Yeah? Sorry about that, Bruce. We got talking about 341 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:33.680 Halloween. Do you like Halloween or not? Of course? Okay, Steve, 342 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:37.720 Steve's just a grump. I don't like working on Halloween. Yeah, 343 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.559 exactly. Well, here you are trick or treat today. You got tricked. 344 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.480 You got tricked bad today, Bruce. Yes, So what the heck 345 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:49.759 is going on? I'm sure you probably trying to track it down. Yeah, 346 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.240 I mean I could have to jump off the phone here at any minute 347 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.480 if I hear anything. But I mean, Arizona said nothing then I did. 348 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:02.119 This astounds me because it's not clear whether it was an Arizona issue, 349 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.839 whether it was the West Virginia issue, whether it was under Sean Miller, 350 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:10.279 whether it was under Tommy Lloyd, when it was under Bobby Huggins, or 351 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.200 were their interim coach or nobody knows anything at this point. And Arizona is 352 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:15.839 also under probation right now, so you think they'd want to clear it up 353 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.759 if they don't have anything to do with this. So so the big question 354 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:25.039 is, Okay, he's an international player, what is he allowed and what 355 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:30.160 isn't he allowed? Well, the basic the rule of thumb is that, 356 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:34.440 you know, there's still a lot of gray area over that nil for internationals, 357 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.799 but the basic rule of thumb is that what everybody's going by is if 358 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:41.839 it's passes income, that's okay. And that is what most of these guys 359 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:45.119 are getting now. They're passive income there. They're members of a collective. 360 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:51.240 They go to a thing or two and then somebody pays them fifty thousand bucks 361 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:55.000 or whatever it might be, and that's considered passive income. But they're not 362 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:59.200 really working for it. They can't go to findings or you know or or 363 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:02.799 you know, want one for one things like that, or you know, 364 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.640 be at a at a car dealership or something like that they can't. They 365 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.599 can't do that because that's considered work. And the whole spirit of it is 366 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.440 apparently that if you if you work as an international as an international student, 367 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:18.839 you're you're not allowed to work because that potentially is taking an American citizen out 368 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.640 of out of the job. You know, That's that's the theory. Anyway, 369 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:26.079 That's what we said, Right, you can't go, but they can 370 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:30.400 they can accept income like from Jersey sales or stuff like that. Is that 371 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.039 isn't that right? Yeah, well they can. Yeah, they just can't 372 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.200 do anything for it. Somebody else has to market it and and all that. 373 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:41.440 And you thought you've seen even Arizona sists has you know, they had 374 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:47.839 Tobello's jerseys that they're selling and giving Tobellas whatever dollar whatever of that every time 375 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.680 it's sold. And that's perfectly fine because he's not working for it. The 376 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.519 key is are you working for it? And it? And it is a 377 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.720 big gray area. But that's that's the thing. But I think most of 378 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.039 the time now it's it's it's almost a mood point because so much of the 379 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.440 percentage of what these guys are making is from these collectives and they don't in 380 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.519 a lot of cases, they can kind of work it so that it's not 381 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.680 considered uh you know, actively working for it. So so it kind of 382 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:17.000 leaves it open that maybe he was doing something that he really wasn't one hundred 383 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.759 percent sure was against the rules and then you know, they said no, 384 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.559 you can't do that, or he was doing something that he knew was against 385 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.880 the rules and was did it anyways, I mean, the the the gap, 386 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.359 you know, it can be anywhere in there. Right. Yeah, 387 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.599 there's a lot of there's just a ton of questions here, and and you 388 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.759 know, I mean I just think they I think they're in it's in their 389 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.880 best interest that they can answer them. I don't know, and I'm guessing 390 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.440 that's why we haven't heard anything, because they're probably still trying to figure out 391 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.119 how they're going to address this. But yeah, there's there's and there's also 392 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.279 you know, her Crisa came to Arizona before NIO rules even went into effect. 393 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.559 Maybe he was talking about something that happened back then that might be legal 394 00:25:55.599 --> 00:26:00.240 now we don't know, you know, or or it's possible he took you 395 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.400 know, made some Nile arrangement. Wall enrolled in Arizona that somebody at West 396 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:08.920 Virginia or or somebody in there, you know, some booster somebody said hey, 397 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.960 you know we can do this. That's illegal because that's that's considered a 398 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:18.279 pay per flay inducement and that is not allowed in NIL. But again, 399 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.240 a lot of gray area with this stuff, and we all know that that 400 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:29.480 you know that it's being used in many different ways. Didn't the didn't the 401 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.599 statement though from West Virginia say that this occurred while he was at Arizona. 402 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.720 Yeah, it said Wall enrolled at Arizona. And initially, when I first 403 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:40.920 looked at I thought, oh, he must have done something here, and 404 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.680 then he and they and then he talked about it at West Virginia. But 405 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:48.200 when I read it again, it is possible that that that that word says 406 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.839 Wall enrolled at Arizona. It is possible it's somebody or something or something regarding 407 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.599 not you of a maybe West Virginia, maybe somebody else for that matter. 408 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.160 You know, maybe Creasta was saying, hey, some but a school X 409 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.160 offered me this or that, or I was getting checks from so and so 410 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.480 even before I came here. If anything like that could be, it could 411 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.599 be possible because they haven't defined this here. And in fact, I even 412 00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.200 asked West Virginia their spokesman and he said, we're not I said, what 413 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.079 was the timeline? He said, we're not sharing anything else. So they 414 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.119 don't want to say and Arizona hasn't said anything yet, so you know, 415 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:25.119 the silence is speaking pretty loudly here that that, you know, it would 416 00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.720 seem like one of these schools. You know, maybe it happens, but 417 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:33.440 we don't know. That doesn't surprise you, does it. No? No, 418 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.359 I mean, you know, part of it is, I'm sure that 419 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.039 part of it is there's always you know, you've got to run everything by 420 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.720 a lawyer and you're you know, your your compliance guys, and it takes 421 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:45.119 a long time for them sometimes to come up with the proper thing to say 422 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.920 because they don't want to get sued. And that's that's certainly, you know, 423 00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.400 maybe maybe that's what's going on here as well. I don't know, 424 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:53.680 but no, no, Steve, I mean absolutely not. You know, 425 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.519 it always these things always take time, and for all we know, it 426 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.960 took West Virginia. I mean, West Virginia said they've potentially learned about this 427 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:06.279 in August, and here we are on Halloween and they're they're just announcing it 428 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.880 now, So it took them two full months to really get to this point. 429 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.799 Even how much do you pull your hair out on a day like this? 430 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:18.119 I mean, you just hate this? Well, you know it's funny 431 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.440 because it's fun day. Because I I've been telling people like, this is 432 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:26.559 literally the first time since I think twenty fifteen when there hasn't been something going 433 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:32.480 on in the preseason either FBI or NBA or ARP or Alonzo Treer, you 434 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:37.960 know, with whatever he did you know, and or there or something else 435 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.880 in the pre season one of those years. Almost every year it seems like 436 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.559 in October I'm working on our special sections for the beginning of the season, 437 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.519 covering exhibition games, trying to write daily stories, and then there's some other 438 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.240 kind of issue going on. So there really hasn't been anything. So I'm 439 00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:52.319 kind of I was kind of like in this case, I'm like, oh, 440 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.000 okay, well, this is like it almost feels normal. Right, 441 00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:57.880 here's the thing, right, here's the thing that's been missing. No, 442 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.839 no, I'm going to play Bruce. I'm gonna blame I'm gonna blame you, 443 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.319 Bruce. You know why, you just called a no hitter, you 444 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:08.759 call the no hitter, and then the bottom You're right, but this happens. 445 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:14.240 Yeah, yeah, but you know, okay, let's let's I think 446 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.400 you've been seen that we'll all find out what happened. Uh, but it's 447 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.519 worthy of a nine game suspensions. Was it's not a not a not a 448 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:25.279 light light not a light suspension. Yeah, I mean nine games. I 449 00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.799 think that that translates to thirty percent of the regular season. It seems to 450 00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:33.519 be a pretty common kind of what do you call it, like a common 451 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.640 number that they come up with in these kind of situations. And it usually 452 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.920 means you've taken something worth not a whole lot, but but it's you know, 453 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.000 at least a four figure amount of something. And and that's I know 454 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.920 what I'm guessing. But again, you know, I don't know yet. 455 00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.720 I'm just part of the based on part of this whole thing. Guys, 456 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.839 And you wake up in the morning, you see this, this is well, 457 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.440 isn't everything off the record off the limits? Now because of the n 458 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.799 I L and who gets trucks and who gets cars and blah blah blah, 459 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:04.880 who gets bags? And now okay, yeah, okay, that makes sense. 460 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.480 But now you still have this whatever he did, right, Yeah, 461 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.079 and then you know there's two things there that well, there's three things. 462 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.359 Actually could be that it happened before the rules went into effect, which was 463 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.599 after his spressing season. Maybe something happened when he was coming here. He 464 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.400 was recruited over Zoom during the pandemic, I mean, it was who knows, 465 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:27.759 and you know, but and then there's a possibility that, you know, 466 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:33.000 something he did as an international student that wasn't cool, or it's possible 467 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:38.160 that you know, there's still there's still something, especially if the schools are 468 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.680 involved. You know, the schools are still not allowed to pay players beyond 469 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.480 their scholarships and stipends and that extra fifty two eighty fond or whatever it is 470 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.680 they can't pay. They're supposed to have boosters do it through collectives and other 471 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.400 actions, and so it's possible that you know, something happened there, or 472 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:02.279 or you know there's just yeah, there's just there still is a lot of 473 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:03.519 things. But but you're right, Steve, I mean as far as like 474 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.000 your your average player taking money or taking a free dinner from so and so 475 00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.519 a booster of the program, that's perfectly fine. Everybody can do all that 476 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.960 and they do it, so so yeah, we know it's not that at 477 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.720 least during the last two years, maybe before that, but maybe it's something 478 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.519 else. Okay, let's talk about the game real quick, or another coach, 479 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.319 you know, Tommy who we all like, I didn't tell you what 480 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.880 happened with with Henry. I mean, and you know you kind of know 481 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:36.279 what happened. I guess, yeah, yeah, I mean literally like I 482 00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:42.880 had, I had like two people that I really know things, and you 483 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.559 know, and and I've seen it elsewhere too, that it was definitely a 484 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.839 result of the golf event they had, I think it was last Friday, 485 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.200 and uh, you know, and you know, it appeared to involve something 486 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.920 that happened with a golf cart that that he heard his arm on and they 487 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.720 didn't want to say. And it's possible there's always Purpa and Hippa and all 488 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.720 this stuff. It's possible that they're trying to protect whoever did this, you 489 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.000 know, whether maybe he did it to himself. We don't know. You 490 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:15.119 know. Once again, I think, you know, I think fans would 491 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.960 like to know exactly what happened. I don't know, and that's why we 492 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.960 asked, And so I just asked, Tommy, hey, I had heard 493 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.160 it was a golf cart. Didn't need to get hurt by did he? 494 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.200 He was that true? And you heard what he said. He just said, 495 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.119 yeah, Well I'm not going to get into specifics, so I don't 496 00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.079 you know, but he didn't deny it. He didn't look angry. He 497 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:35.599 just that's what he said. He just kind of took it a different direction 498 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.799 stuff. So, you know, whatever, whatever, it really doesn't make 499 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.440 that much difference. We just know it wasn't off the court saying it appeared 500 00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:47.000 to be somebody was doing something maybe not what you normally do with on a 501 00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:52.359 golf course, you know. And but the bottom line is he's going to 502 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.000 be out for a while. And it sounded like, and Tommy kind of 503 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.400 alluded to this that it sounded like it looked like it could have been a 504 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.480 lot worse. I mean, you know, I mean that duck. You 505 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:05.200 know, you don't want to hurt your elbow as a basketball player, and 506 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.559 you know, like like like that. But but they say, you know, 507 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.559 it sounds like he might be back. Who knows. I think they're 508 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.839 still trying to figure that out, but it might be you know, It 509 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.359 might be a few weeks, might be a few months, but I don't 510 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.079 think it's season ending from what I understand. Well, he didn't look good 511 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.119 on the court yesterday. He was limping and he was wearing baggy sweatpants. 512 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.240 But from where I was sitting, it looked like he had some kind of 513 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.640 a brace on his leg or something so on his right leg. Oh yeah, 514 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:30.400 I don't even know. I mean, that's the thing too, like 515 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.119 he could have heard that he had it on his I think it was his 516 00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:37.200 writing. Cool. He sprained that and he needed a high sprain last July, 517 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:38.720 and he's had a lot of trouble coming back for that. He went 518 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:43.880 with them to the Middle East but didn't really play, and then you know, 519 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.319 just been sitting super limited. And then he came into thinking red blue, 520 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.799 but he video hasn't been fully you know himself, and then and then 521 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.599 this happened, and it's just it's almost like at this point he probably he 522 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.759 probably don't count on him to do much this year the way look right? 523 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.759 Okay, Well, as the world turned a quick impression of the game last 524 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.800 night, I mean, do we see anything useful you know last night that 525 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.239 means anything or I mean, it was a messy game. You no, 526 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.320 not really, Jay, I don't don't really. I mean, you know, 527 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.159 I think it was one of those deals they I mean, they certainly 528 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.679 you know the fact that they they dished twenty eight. It's just the thirty 529 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.199 four turnovers. I think it was for thirty one boucks. Excuse me. 530 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.239 That's super high and that's that's the kind of ball they like to play. 531 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:34.360 But the twenty four turnovers careless. I think it was a classic case of 532 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.079 playing down to their competition a little. Plus. New Mexico Highlands had some 533 00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.199 guys who were kind of quick to the ball, and so if they made 534 00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.119 a sloppy cast, those guys got it and they I think they had eighteen 535 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.800 steals. So I just thought it was the Crassic case where they're just not 536 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.199 getting much out of playing these kind of things. I mean, usually in 537 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.119 the spot, they're usually playing one exhibition and then and then a closed scrimmage 538 00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.559 against a good team. They played Saint Mary's last couple of years. They 539 00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:59.239 probably would have got a lot more out of that, but they can't do 540 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:01.440 it because they agreed to play all these neutral site games this year and they 541 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.480 have they have to be a Michale for eighteen games or you know, that's 542 00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.239 their minimum. So that's why they got in this fine. So I didn't 543 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.400 get much out of it other than to see, you know, the two 544 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.880 big guys follow and previous came back from injuries, and they both look like 545 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.480 they're you know, they're they're they're you know, they're getting there certainly, 546 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.559 and and Rosie seems look a lot more comfortable too, I think. But 547 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.239 but other than that, I'm a whole lot all right. Okay, Bruce, 548 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.199 thanks a bunch for coming onto this last second. Keep at it, 549 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.400 Bruce, have fun, appreciate you, all right, Okay, tagure, 550 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.360 Okay, let's take a quick break and come back and talk more about as 551 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:54.039 the basketball turns here at the University of Arizona. 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Wh This is I 596 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:13.079 on the Ball with Steve and Jay Gonzalez Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. Hey, 597 00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.519 welcome back to Eying the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. I'm Steve, 598 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.480 You're Jay, got Kevin behind the board. We're ready to roll for 599 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.639 the next fifteen minutes. It looks like give us a call, let us 600 00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.800 snow what's going on? What you think about? What? Actually? More 601 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:30.079 like? Yeah, maybe thirteen fifteen thirteen. Whatever, give us some quick 602 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.639 call. Let's know what we're doing, what we're up about doing against whatever. 603 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.760 Whatever I'm saying. I don't know what the hell I'm saying. Kerr 604 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.480 basketball, What did you What were your impressions last night? You could get 605 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.239 much out of it. I just did with the turnovers and the shooting, 606 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.039 YadA YadA. Yeah, you know, wait, did you know how did 607 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:51.320 he look? What? Thing? Creevous is like a monster? He's like, 608 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:54.039 Oh, the big dude due that dude, he looks. Do you 609 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:59.079 see that one time they threw him the ball? It was like it was 610 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:02.000 like you remind me of when I played basketball against Adam when he was five. 611 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.320 Yeah, you know, I've just got the ball up here. They're 612 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.440 jumping up to the ball and then he just drops it in the back. 613 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.039 He's a big dude, dude. They're gonna be pretty good in the middle. 614 00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.039 He's he's not an athletic. He's not athletic, but he still has 615 00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.599 some good footwork and made a few moves. He'll get some rebounds. He's 616 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.639 a better ristic, a better a better foregned guy, you know, bigger, 617 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.159 bigger guy. He's gonna put the ball in the hole just because he's 618 00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:30.599 so damn tall, and there's gonna be some guys who can't get to it. 619 00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:37.079 When when you're when you can make Umar Ballow look smallish, smallish. 620 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:44.679 Here, we got a call her, try try back, Sorry about that. 621 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:46.760 We didn't see a light, Lincoln, but give us a call back, 622 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.599 whoever was calling. You know, he's just a big dude, and 623 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.079 so he's gonna get some rebounds, he's gonna move some people around, he's 624 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.920 gonna block. There were a couple of times if those guys went into the 625 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.519 lane trying to put the ball and I'm talking about the guards like they were 626 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:05.719 dudes. Don't come in there like that. You can't. You're on the 627 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.440 air and I on the ball. How's it going this happen? Man? 628 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.280 What's up? Brian? Hey, Brian, were you getting were you were 629 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.760 you giving Kirk krisa money? Hey? You guys got more money than I 630 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:21.599 do, so you know, well, yeah, but you're retired post office 631 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.199 dude, you got all kinds of don't tell me, hey, I was 632 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.719 just wondering. Obviously, whatever Carisa did it was a hundred times worse whatever 633 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.199 Bill self did it, because he got nine games yeah, who knows what 634 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.480 it was. But yeah, there's a lot of people saying then that uh 635 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:43.639 you know, uh they you know, Kirk Crisa got punished for what uh 636 00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:47.599 Bill self did. Yeah, I mean it's just it's just it's just amazing. 637 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.239 But the NC double it is, I mean, it's just a joke. 638 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.840 Yeah, So I don't know. I mean, I mean, you 639 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.760 can get caught on the phone telling a kid you give him, give them 640 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.639 money, and they don't get any punishment. Is shocked. I'm shocked too. 641 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.400 I'm shocked to nine games, man, that's a lot. But as 642 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.400 Bruce said, like thirty of the season, which is just a ton. 643 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.199 Yeah. Hey, I said, I sent you a picture, Jake. 644 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:16.480 I saw it. That was pretty good. That was actually kind of funny. 645 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.840 It was he sent a picture of Aaron Judge, a guy dressed as 646 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.119 Aaron Judge, an adult, like about the six foot three adult with like 647 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.840 a two year old kid, saying, Aaron Judge and jose L two V 648 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.800 picture that. Jay, I do want to thank you for yesterday because of 649 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.880 you. I didn't I hardly ever bet on baseball, but I did and 650 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:47.719 I took the Rangers yesterday only because you said the diamondbacksmart No, Magruder said 651 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.360 the Diamondbacks were gonna win. I said I was gonna throw money on it, 652 00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:54.199 which I didn't, but they still don't. So small. At the 653 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.039 end of the show, you were saying about go Diamondbacks, and that was 654 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.679 enough for me. Oh okay, smart man, smart man. All right, 655 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.880 Brian, thanks about and then also one thing to see, stay home 656 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.440 and hand out candy tonight. Come on, No, let me tell you 657 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.639 something. I live in a place where there's like five houses in my neighborhood. 658 00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:14.599 You have to walk miles and stuff, so no one's no one's come 659 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:19.000 to my house in years years. Sees that guy that turns out all the 660 00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.760 lights and goes goes into his bedroom with a candle on and doesn't even turn 661 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.519 on the TV because he doesn't want to. He's home. Yeah, yeah, 662 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:30.599 this guy's. This guy's a downer for every holiday. He really is. 663 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:32.280 I don't know. I don't know how he became friends because I'm not 664 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.000 Brian, and you said you were becoming more and more likely just well not 665 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.280 today because I'll pass out the candy. I'm not gonna be like you there 666 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.960 to go right you? Yeah, all right, thanks Brian. Okay, 667 00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:52.199 do you letter Brian's way to heave it? Oh, my gosh, to 668 00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:59.239 funny, I think your clock is off up there, Kevin supposed to go 669 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.119 out it for minutes too. Yeah, so it's eight minutes, right, 670 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.599 we have more time than he says. Oh we have less time. It 671 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:12.079 sits three forty nine. Okay, Oh you're right, never mind, Sorry 672 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:16.880 to doubt you, Kevin. My math is off. My math is off, 673 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:22.639 all right, Steve, I don't know, you know, you know 674 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:29.280 you get tired of the side stuff, right, you just want to talk 675 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.639 basketball, dude, Dude, I went through it. At the end of 676 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.199 the Loot stuff, it was it was not fun, And then the Sean 677 00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.840 stuff, it was not fun. Uh. It's chasing down, like like 678 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.599 Rue said, you think you're free setting it's a good time. You're not 679 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:45.000 chasing down anybody. You're not making calls, hoping for being held lostage by 680 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.800 your phone and getting beat on a score. Somebody comes out thinking about those 681 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:52.119 kind of days are over. Those kind of days are over because the Star 682 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.920 doesn't have a competition outside of the Internet. Guys who probably know who, 683 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.679 probably know what's going on, but they're in bed with the people yeah, 684 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.599 well and then and yeah, and maybe they know stuff, but they agree 685 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.719 not to say and sure, sure, and that's fine. I mean, 686 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:09.320 we all have our lives. Yeah, but I don't know. I just 687 00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:16.079 dang it. Well, someone posted something on our Twitter, yeah, saying 688 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.960 some of the sours well yeah, yeah, basically saying that it doesn't have 689 00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:23.440 anything to do with you. No, okay, then maybe it doesn't. 690 00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:28.360 Then does that ease your your worst fears? No, no, it's not. 691 00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.599 You know, I'm not afraid of anything here. We do because I 692 00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:36.719 feel because I feel like I feel like, you know, if it's something 693 00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:38.320 that Kirk Risa did, what what are you supposed to do with a program? 694 00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.239 Right? What are they gonna do? Take away some whatever games he 695 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.239 played in while he was doing this? You know, who gives a crap 696 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:50.400 about that? Right? I'm just I just don't like the conversation. You 697 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.599 go on social media and say, well, there they go again at Arizona. 698 00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.320 You know, they they you know, they're cheating again or whatever. 699 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.119 Of course, you know you hate having that wrap, that wrap, but 700 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.039 they've got it and there's nothing they can do about. You know, the 701 00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:05.960 rap they got caught up in the FBI thing, whether they did anything really 702 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.920 bad or not, their name is attached to it. And now that stuff 703 00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.400 comes along just the way we talk about you know, whether it's s MU 704 00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:21.119 football or Miami football or you know, Kansas basketball or whatever. That that 705 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.440 thing gets hung on you and it's hard to get rid of it, and 706 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.880 it doesn't go away. It's not gonna go away in our lifetimes. Right, 707 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.599 people talk about Arizona and the messes they've been in rules wise, until 708 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:37.239 we kick, I'm pretty sure. So that's the part that I hate about. 709 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.400 Yeah, well, that's just how it is nowadays. It's supposed to 710 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.960 hear given the situation. Yeah, that's all. That's all. But getting 711 00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:52.840 back to the GACTU game last night, you know it felt like a game 712 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.960 that they would rather have not been played. Yes, yes, And that's 713 00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.920 why I asked the question, what do you get out of it? And 714 00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.320 you get everything out of it because because you you know, you be the 715 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.599 team that you're supposed to be. I joked to with the year next to 716 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.679 me. I said, what's the line? I said, fifty, it's 717 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:10.360 about thirty eight. I think they went by thirty thirty maybe, yeah, 718 00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.159 thirty whatever, one like mid to maybe after the ten minute mark of the 719 00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:20.199 second half, Arizona was only winning the second half. But like a point 720 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.400 right right, it's actually, you know, what's the motivation? I mean, 721 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.320 honestly, what's the motivation. It's just like, you know, just 722 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.599 think that the walk Ons, we're waiting to get in the game. You 723 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:30.320 hope not to get hurt. You hope not to get hurt. That's the 724 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.639 thing, you know. I mean, I still like what I see. 725 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:39.599 I still it doesn't look like they have the knockdown shooter. No, you 726 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.719 know what, that's a good point. They might have a bunch of guys 727 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.760 who can make threes, but not a guy who's going to make a three 728 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.639 when you absolutely need a three. You know who? You know who I'm 729 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.679 going to on the perveter Caleb Love. I think I'm going to go to 730 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.480 him for a basket, okay, but I'm going to go to Boswell. 731 00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:01.800 Boswell is so so stoic, so good. I mean, he doesn't take 732 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.119 many shots, maybe he should, but he's pretty pretty solid from there. 733 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.000 He's got a quick trigger. That's what you like, is that guy who 734 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.920 catches and can shoot right away. He's just not He's not a great shooter, 735 00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:16.000 but he can be a good pretty good. He's a nondescripted player, 736 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.559 but a good one doesn't make sense. Yeah, because he's a bigger dude. 737 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.800 He's got a callin the reeves kind of body, big body. But 738 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:28.719 he's good, but he doesn't look it. He's not not Caleb Love. 739 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:35.679 Right, Hey, Caleb Love, Caleb Love, jayde Bradley and and and 740 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.880 kJ Lewis all have the same body. They are all the same guy, 741 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.480 wiry, and they do the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, but you 742 00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.079 need a stable guy like Boswell to kind of put together and maybe that'll be 743 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:53.400 his role. I mean, clearly they're athleticism. Athleticism of this team is, 744 00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.400 particularly on the perimeter, is off the charts. I mean, Palla 745 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.800 Larson hasn't even played and they still look really good out there with Keisha Johnson, 746 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.719 Uh, Philip Boren and hasn't. Yeah, doesn't not quite. It 747 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.039 doesn't seem quite there. Yeah, And we said I went on a limb. 748 00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:13.000 I thought he's gonna have a good year. A couple of people said, 749 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.199 don pull a bit, remember they called it. I agreed with it. 750 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.199 I still don't. It's it's one game in this one, don't or 751 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.320 two games in don't. I wouldn't worry about that because he's gonna have his 752 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.159 moments. He's gonna have his moments. The thing is where he fits in. 753 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.360 That's where he said, right, how much is Yeah, he's gonna 754 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.079 hit He's gonna hit some shots. So we talk about the top eight guys, 755 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.599 okay, talk about the four guards Okay that we just talked about, 756 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.920 and he said he's gonna whittle down right, Keishad Johnson okay, okay, 757 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:45.920 Pellett Larson as six, Lumar Bellows seven previous or or or or Dylan Anderson 758 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.800 eight, nine. You know where where you fit? I think nine, 759 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:59.440 maybe nine. Henry's out now yeah, no, I think the eight or 760 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.280 nine in nine or ten. He's learned that he needs depth. He needs 761 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.679 the depth, that's sure. He'd learned that, right, so he could 762 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.159 go ten deep. See what happens. Yeah, I still like him. 763 00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.519 I still like him. I'm not gonna give up on him. Then there's 764 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.280 Mark there, there's the Martinez kid. Oh, the Martin He's gonna be 765 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:17.519 rich, I'm sure ye. But the other kid, the other one, 766 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.119 Mark American America whatever it is. The other kid. I don't have my 767 00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.679 box score. But Mark Martinez, who we who we joke on along the 768 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.440 sideline day. He looks like he looks like teen wolves. Reminds us of 769 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.559 wolf. Paulis paul Yeah, yeah, Paulis Polis, Paulius, Maruscus, 770 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.159 yeah, Maruscus. All right, we gotta get out of here. Top 771 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.199 of the hour. All right, we're gonna be back. It's gonna be 772 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:44.320 breaking news. We'll see what what Kevin's cooked up for us. Let's stick 773 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:54.679 around. It was a graveyard. It caught home in a fly. He 774 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:55.679 did the monster