1 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,560 Hello, everybody, welcome. It is that time again, Matt Connerton unleashed 2 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,520 and we are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point 3 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:55,560 three FM in Glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. Also now on Comcast Channel 4 00:00:55,719 --> 00:01:00,200 six if you are in Manchester watching on the cable. Also off course, 5 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,200 Hello to olive our online listeners across nation and around the globe. You can 6 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,920 go to my website Matt Connerton dot com for all your live streaming options, 7 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,280 social media links, contact in folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today 8 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:15,439 is Tuesday, August fifteen, two thousand twenty three. We have a guest 9 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,760 coming up in just a couple of minutes. He's going to be calling in. 10 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,599 Uh. He's had to reschedule a couple of times, you know, 11 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,120 things come up, and he's a very very busy guy, Award winning journalist, 12 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,439 Bob Henneley. But he's going to be calling in at four fifteen. 13 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,239 Really looking forward to speaking with him. He's uh, he writes for many 14 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:41,239 publications and also he's a fellow radio host. He's on w BAI in New 15 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:46,400 York City. Actually, let me make sure I get this right. What's 16 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:55,439 the is it ninety nine point five. Oh there, it is w BAI 17 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:59,879 ninety nine point five FM. Yes, in New York City, so he's 18 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,799 real New Yorker, So I look forward to speaking with him. So he'll 19 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:06,200 be joining us in just a couple of minutes. He has some experience here 20 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,280 in New Hampshire too. I'll ask him about that. But Jenny had the 21 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:14,159 privilege of being on Bob's program on w BAI a number of weeks ago, 22 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,400 and he's gonna he's gonna return the favor and join me here today. And 23 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,919 really looking forward to speaking with him. Very fascinating guy. So I will 24 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,879 not give out the studio line because he's going to be on the studio line 25 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,599 for He's going to give us about thirty minutes today, so so that will 26 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,000 be very cool. So looking forward to that, and we'll see what other 27 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,800 kind of stuff we can get into today as well. I don't know. 28 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,159 The news has been so slow lately. I don't know what we're going to 29 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,759 talk about. Actually, yesterday was a pretty big day in the news, 30 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,120 I reckon. But so we will not take any calls on the studio line 31 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,520 because we are expecting a guest. But of course you can still text me 32 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:55,080 at six one seven nine one seven four four seven six. You're welcome to 33 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,879 interact endo Pine in the Facebook live chat and we will say hello everybody in 34 00:02:59,879 --> 00:03:01,800 there in just a moment. And of course you can email me Matt at 35 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,080 Matt Connerton dot com. So I would love to hear from you especially too. 36 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,719 If you have any questions or anything for our guest Bob Hennily, you 37 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:10,680 can put them in the chat room. You can email me, you can 38 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:15,719 text me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven six. So 39 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,919 that will be uh, that will be coming up in just a couple of 40 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:23,319 moments. But while we await mister Heniley, we'll go ahead and say hello 41 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,080 everybody in the chat room. Jenny of course is in there and says schill 42 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:30,680 loam peeps. Also, Mike from Queen City Cabinetry joins us. Mike uh 43 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,439 in Queen City Cabinetry not only one of our great sponsors here at WMH ninety 44 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:38,639 five point three FM, but I get to hang out with Mike every Friday 45 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:42,120 night. He's one of our co hosts on retro Spectrum Radio with Paul c. 46 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,759 Fredo. Is in the chat room, or you know, I like 47 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,039 to say his full name. Alfredo Enrique Benavitis joins us and says Yo Yo 48 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Fredo of course from the band's Dank Sinatra and Cosmic Blossom, and Fredo has 49 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:00,520 been on the show a number of time time. J fed is in the 50 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,240 Facebook live chat, of course from the Great State of Vermont, says good 51 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,400 afternoon everyone. Tom Blanchard says, hi everyone. Melanie at Liberty, of 52 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,000 course from the Great State of Vermont, also says hey guys. Tom Blanchard 53 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:17,439 says Hipster is Back in the seventies, I used to have a pair of 54 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:26,199 low rise jeans nicknamed Hipsters. Let's see, we have a call. This 55 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,680 might be our friend, our guest. Hi, welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed. 56 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,839 Who is this? Thanks for having me? Oh is this Bob? 57 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:38,879 It certainly is all right, Bob Hennley. It is well wonderful to us 58 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,279 speak to you, sir. Welcome, Welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed. I've 59 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:46,120 been looking forward to looking forward to talking with you, and really appreciate too 60 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:51,120 that Jad Jenny on your show recently on w b AI very cool and I 61 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:57,000 was looking to at some of what you're very early in the morning. Yeah, 62 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,360 what time? What time are you on the air? You is it 63 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,120 seven am? Seven am? But we get up at four am to make 64 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,759 sure we get our facts right. So you really got to be a morning 65 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,120 person to do that. Good for you for a late night person, right 66 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,519 right, Yeah, just stay up super late and just just keep going. 67 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,879 Now, how long have you You've done radio at other places too, right, 68 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:20,199 weren't you on WM and w NYC. Is that guy? I was 69 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:28,680 on wac oh maybe like, oh like fifteen years? And then I have 70 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:33,120 been on Pacific I get fired by PACIFICA every ten years, you do. 71 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,279 Yeah, I've been doing this a long time. Now. Why do you 72 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:42,800 get fired from Radio PACIFICA every ten years? I have to there's always a 73 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:46,759 change of regime. Uh, there's always you know, if you've been in 74 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,920 this business long enough, it's uh, it's not personal. It's just been 75 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:56,319 Oh I understand. We have a new Hampshire radio host who is on Radio 76 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,399 PACIFICA. I believe or I think she still is Arnie Arniston. You must 77 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:03,240 know Arnie. I love Arnie. Yeah, where we've been. We met 78 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,160 during the pandemic. That starts like the beginning of a magical relationship. Has 79 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:14,319 been great I'm fortunate to know her, and she is really at this he 80 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:16,399 knows what's going on. And if you're not in a rolodex, you're probably 81 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:19,800 not going to be mounting much to New Hampshire politics. Yeah. I first 82 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,560 became aware of Arnie back way back when she ran for governor. That was 83 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,519 when she sort of became a household name to a lot of people around here. 84 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,839 And uh and then but I only met her for the first time maybe 85 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:35,240 five or six years ago. But yeah, really really interesting person, great 86 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,800 at what she does. I haven't checked out her show lately. I assume 87 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,680 her radio show is still on the Attitude. It certainly is. Yeah, 88 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:47,800 Yeah, it's distributed through PACIFICA and yeah, it's it's not a couple of 89 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:51,639 hundred stations. And she does a great job. And she's got, like 90 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:58,560 I say, just the who's who in New Hampshire politics. But she's been 91 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,439 doing it long enough that she does she's really connected into the national conversation. 92 00:07:03,519 --> 00:07:11,879 So she's been really one of the few people who's got that the attention of 93 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,160 the national media focusing on the craziness with what's going on with your primary with 94 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:24,680 sitting and cumber president likely to be on the ballot and creating an opportunity for 95 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Robert Kennedy Junior to have kind of like his Jean McCarthy moment, if you're 96 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,519 allo to remember with that way. Oh god, yeah, RFK, Yeah, 97 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:40,040 we've been. I've been very worried about the New Hampshire primary. I 98 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,000 want to, you know, because the DNC, of course wanting the first 99 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,680 primary to be in South Carolina. And I understand, I mean, Joe 100 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:53,399 Biden ows his entire presidency to South Carolina in my opinion, and Senator Jim 101 00:07:53,480 --> 00:08:01,439 Flyburn. But I always say, to paraphrase something that oh God, Chuck 102 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:05,560 Heston, Charlton Heston said, uh, you know, you'll you'll have to 103 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:11,480 to pry the New apter primary from my cold that hands. But I well, 104 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:13,680 you know, I mean it's you know, every four years, once 105 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,360 every four years, there's a span of time where the rest of the country 106 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:20,360 actually is concerned with New Hampshire. So it's it's nice, but well, 107 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,040 and I do think so that you have to be the folks in about ways. 108 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,480 The big problem they've demonstrated is the inability to be nimble. And so 109 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,639 while theoretically I understand the arguments about diversity, and providing the opportunity of South 110 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,159 Carolina and a more diverse polity to have that first opportunity. But then there's 111 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:46,320 reality and the facts on the ground, and so it's happening now is that 112 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:52,080 New Hampshire is providing a wonderful opportunity to the Republican Party to dominate the national 113 00:08:52,120 --> 00:09:00,559 conversation and for the Democratic Party to be kind of eclipsed. And I think 114 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,720 that's a mistake because I'm sure that there's there are issues in New Hampshire that 115 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,919 needs the President's attention. I was just looking up before he came on the 116 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,320 problem that you've got, which is happening over the country where we are now 117 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:20,200 with the pandemics supposedly over I said, what's the upanism in the by way 118 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:24,759 unwinding Medicaid? And so one of the things I just had this happened the 119 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,240 other day. I went to get a blood tested, was getting my blood 120 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,759 drawn at a Quest, you know, a multake billion dollar corporation, and 121 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,799 the wonderful young woman there of a single mother of two, was a Quest 122 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:41,720 technician, and she told me she'd just been thrown off her healthcare. So 123 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:46,000 there you have the American tableau. The twenty first century being in the front 124 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:52,559 line and a cential worker taking someone else's flood without healthcare. Yeah, it's 125 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,559 it's it's awful and obviously too. Now I have not yet had a chance 126 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,120 to read your book, but I'm very interested in it. You've written a 127 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:03,120 book, Stuck Nation. Can the United States change course on our history of 128 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,519 choosing profits over people? And so this is obviously an issue that you're very 129 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,519 steeped in and knowledgeable about. And yeah, I you know, it took 130 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,480 me a long time to get there, but I you know, I support 131 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,159 medicare for all, some or some form of socialized medicine. I consider myself 132 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,240 a capitalist. But so, like I said, it took me a while 133 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,679 to finally arrive at the reconcilable that's not I mean, I think that if 134 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,720 you want to maximize the economic opportunity in the United States, you want to 135 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:37,279 have all the workers healthy and prison and accountable, ready for exploitation. And 136 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,679 what better way to do that hasn't be healthy. Exactly, I wouldn't have 137 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,200 put it quite that way, although I would have put it very close to 138 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,440 that way. Bob, So yes, I agree, absolutely, you know, 139 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,120 a healthier country would ultimately be a more profitable country and more you know, 140 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,440 more efficient, and all of it, all of it. But I 141 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:58,200 can tell you here's the other thing too. I would make an argument to 142 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,639 use that. One of the sad things is as long as we have this 143 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:11,159 nineteenth century idea of that your healthcare is linked. Actually it's like I guess, 144 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,279 post World War two. The idea of linking your healthcare coverage to your 145 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:22,799 jobs is in light of the nature of employment has changed and the social contractive 146 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:28,759 work has changed, it gives entirely too much leverage to the bosses and also 147 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:37,080 guarantees that Americans will never see another raise that's greater than inflation as long as 148 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,000 they have to pay for their healthcare out of their employment relationship. And so 149 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,440 the other thing it's done is the scarcity mindset about real time delivery. I 150 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,519 think that's probably appropriate for all kinds of things in the economy, thinking cars, 151 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,879 you name it. But when you do that for healthcare and you create 152 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,919 it as a luxury gooder scarcity item, you then create a situation where a 153 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,679 significant part of the population is more vulnerable to disease. Not to get too 154 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:15,279 new testimony on you, but gated communities cannot stop you from a virulent, 155 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:24,559 infectious pandemic. And so what we had the COVID experience was four percent of 156 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,639 were four percent of the world's population a twelve percent of the death toll from 157 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:35,200 COVID, and we pay more than any other OECD country that is similarly situated 158 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:41,960 in terms of the status of the economy with the poorest outcome yea. And 159 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:48,759 so that meant that the fact that some many Americans were undercovered exposed the entire 160 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:54,279 population to the greater likelihood of being infected. And so that's why I say 161 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:01,080 to you, you can be a capitalist and in favor of a universal health 162 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,440 care to guarantee I think it was a civil defense measure that everybody that you're 163 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,919 interact with at least has basic healthcare that makes you safer as a cold buddy 164 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,799 capitalist to pursue those prophets to your heart's desire. Yeah. Even even my 165 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,720 father, who's pretty conservative, more so as he's gotten older, I would 166 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,440 say, I don't think he'll mind me saying that, but he even supports 167 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,200 socialized medicine. He's all for it, and and like myself, it took 168 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:33,440 him a while to get there too, by his own admission. But but 169 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:37,200 he's he's all for it as well. Now, oh, Bob too, 170 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,600 Uh not to pivot, but I have to ask you, and Jenny is 171 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,360 reminding me. Jenny said in the chat room, ask him about Jesse Jackson, 172 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,080 and uh, Jenny, Jenny told me, you've got some great stories 173 00:13:50,159 --> 00:13:54,039 and uh, this is a connection that you have to the state of New 174 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,080 Hampshire, where I am correct. Yeah, it was a in my lost 175 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:03,440 youth in nineteen eighty or I was going to college at Ramapo College, which 176 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:09,960 is a was a public college that was started by let's euphemistically call them progressives, 177 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:18,559 but these were. And so there was a professor of sociology there, 178 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Professor Sam Penn, and this was in northern New Jersey and he was actually 179 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,679 in his he was from New York City, was from Brooklyn, and he 180 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,000 was very much part of the Black United Front and Reverend Daughtry, which was 181 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:39,759 pretty far left organization. Funny enough, funny how times change. It was 182 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:45,720 kind of the same milieve that our current mayor, Mayor Adams came out of 183 00:14:46,279 --> 00:14:48,879 before. You know. So, anyway, I got a call from Professor 184 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,559 Penn and he said, the Jesse Jackson campaign has landed in New Hampshire, 185 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:01,440 and they're realizing that there's not any kind of real for an American bass to 186 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:05,799 build a campaign organization on. So they asked if I would come up with 187 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:13,039 some of my other hippie dippie friends from Ramapo College, and so we came 188 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,080 up there and did a little bit of an audition and then ended up doing 189 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:24,200 advanced work for Jesse Jackson in nineteen eighty four. And it was indeed a 190 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,200 a once in a life experience, and it was it was I think what 191 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,159 was fortunate for us, and I didn't know that, was that there was 192 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:39,039 We were benefiting from the fact that in that primary season there was a tremendous 193 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:45,360 residual resentment of Walter Mondale because there were so many folks up there that were 194 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:50,559 disappointed in the Democratic Party that Ted Kennedy did not win the presidential nomination and 195 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,720 it was bested by mister Carter, and so we had all kinds of help 196 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:00,399 that of course was anonymous from the folks that wanted Jesse to well, and 197 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,720 of course interest we know what happened there. He had had a kind of 198 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:08,919 ancient history, but he had gotten the Air Force flyer out of Syria. 199 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,960 The campaign was flying pretty high, and then he had that whole incident where 200 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,320 he was involved with mentioning articulating, calling New York time town, and then 201 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:23,799 the campaign pretty much died from Neuron. But it gave me some real insight 202 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:30,879 into operating in the political environment Hampshire, which is just really like very unique, 203 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:33,200 and I understand why this is the habit of the American people just can't 204 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,480 shake every four years. Yes, now, was there an experience though a 205 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:42,000 negative experience where there was was there a brick thrown through a window or something? 206 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:49,519 Jenny, yes, man, she's got a great memory, and of 207 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:53,360 course I will have run my program to seek my revenge New York draw. 208 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:03,240 But so yeah, So we had managed at the storefront in Manchester and starting 209 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:10,720 up the campaign, and what ended up happening was right after the opening festivities, 210 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:18,519 somebody shot out play glass window and I was I was there when it 211 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:23,079 happened, and so there was a parking garage across the street where evidently it 212 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:29,160 had come to the window, and I remember, in my crazy twenties, 213 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,839 racing up into that parking garage and then it occurred to me like what would 214 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:38,599 I do if I caught the person. Yea, but it was Yeah, 215 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:45,640 it was also I mean, I do remember dealing with I really enjoyed the 216 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,000 diversity of the politics there. And as much as folks say that, you 217 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:56,359 know, it's a state that is not diverse. When I found that there 218 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,920 was this political philosophies where all over the map, but people did have this 219 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,720 passion about it, right, yes, and so that was something that was 220 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:11,599 really engaging. And yeah, there were some very curious conversations because a large 221 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,200 part of I had to work with a Secret Service, and so a lot 222 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,720 of the folks that we were drawing to the Jackson campaign were part of the 223 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,200 Clamshell Alliance and people that had been arrested of course fighting you to their power. 224 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,079 So there were some very tense conversations with the Secret Service, like, 225 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,839 so these are the people would have to be with the candidates. Oh interesting? 226 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,200 Interesting, Yes, Yeah, so that's why I always found it. 227 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,519 I had to tell you that my direct experience working with the Secret Service in 228 00:18:37,559 --> 00:18:41,559 nineteen eighty four, that was what was running through my mind as a reporter 229 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:48,400 covering January sixth, And I know that one of the aspects of this entire 230 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,960 tribulation we've been through the ongoing insurrection has been the lack of disclosure about what 231 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,720 the Secret Service knew and when they knew it. And it still kind of 232 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:04,480 like an unresolved aspect of this. But I can tell you that the state 233 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,079 of play in nineteen eighty four, they knew everything that was going on in 234 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,599 that campaign. Oh, I bet so. I still think we need to 235 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:17,279 have some accountability about that because you know, in this last insurrection thing, 236 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:19,480 they lost all the text messages. Remember that, I do. I do, 237 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,240 although I had forgotten until you brought it up, because there's so much, 238 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:26,559 there's so much to keep track of with all of it, I'd actually 239 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:32,680 forgotten about that specific aspect. Yes, the mysteriously vanishing text messages that no 240 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,839 one can seem to find. Yes, Well, what I'm concerned about is 241 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,920 actually I don't see the insurrection as a discreet moment that's over with, And 242 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,640 so when I'm reporting on this, I see it as more like we're a 243 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:52,200 Caribbean island nation where it's still not resolved, where they have possession of the 244 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,640 Supreme Court at one house of the legislature. I mean, I'm following. 245 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,480 For instance, I had a lot of a chang into the continuing funding for 246 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:07,519 nine to eleven World Trade Center Health Program, which is a very important program 247 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:10,759 for so many first responders and folks that do that kind of work. That 248 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,279 the agendas, you know, when she was working as an E and T 249 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,160 and there's a funding authorization, it's critical to keep that program functioning, which 250 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,759 is going to get caught up in what looks to be the high jinks when 251 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:30,240 the Republicans returned to the House in the fall and there's a fairly good chance 252 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,519 will shut down the government. So I'm following very closely. So to me, 253 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:38,039 that kind of instability and the government is science to me that this insurrection 254 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:45,680 is not resolved. Interesting you mentioned you mentioned covering the insurrection. Were you 255 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,759 there? Were you in Washington, DC when when that does I was writing 256 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:55,400 for the The Chief Leader Is Paper, which is a civil service paper that 257 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:03,640 covers New York City, and I was actually kind of amazed because we had 258 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,720 retired civil servants who had, you know, in some cases significant pensions that 259 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,519 were putting at risks to be part of that activity. Yeah, and so 260 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,240 I sat in on a number of calls where this was when they of course 261 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:22,119 were raining people in conference calls because we're still in the midst of the pandemic. 262 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,160 And what about you also mentioned, of course nine to eleven were you, 263 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,720 I assume you were in New York when that happened. So I it's 264 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,880 funny. I was working for Pacific as a national affairs correspondent, and it 265 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:42,160 just to give a sense of the way of the land that there's five stations 266 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,599 that are a part of the Pacific network BA. I've been the New York 267 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,480 station, and that was on twenty one twenty Wall Street, which is all 268 00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:56,799 the way over on the East River, and of course the World Trade Center 269 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,440 abuts the Hudson River, and so I had just had an isd in line 270 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:07,279 put into my house so that I could do the national feed without going in, 271 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,079 and so that was the beginning of me using that remote ability. So 272 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:18,119 I was not there then, But then, of course, like everybody else 273 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:25,559 for several months, a cleanup went on for seven months, well into May, 274 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:33,559 and the fires actually burned until Saint Patrick's Day, so that was really 275 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,000 a And also, of course, the thing I don't think most people are 276 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:44,519 aware of is that we have now lost more people from the occupational exposure that 277 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,839 day and the seven months afterwards, because of course, one of the things 278 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:53,480 had happened was that the Environmental Protection Agency, under the leader of leadership of 279 00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:56,920 Christine ty Wodman, a former governor in New Jersey, said that the air 280 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:03,440 was safe to breathe, and subsequent report by the Inspector General DPA found out 281 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:10,799 that the Bush White House had intervened and that considerations about opening up Wall Street 282 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:17,480 continuity of business trunk concerns about occupational and public health, and that in essence, 283 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:23,799 the EPA mischaracterized and concealed and suppressed information that showed that the readings in 284 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,119 the air were of considerable concern, particularly the people that were working on the 285 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,720 file. And as a result, and I tracked this every day, we 286 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:37,319 lost three un forty three firefighters on the day of the attack, and we're 287 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,839 going to come close to that number of people that have died since from the 288 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:47,799 exposures they had that day and for the semple months afterwards, the general population, 289 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,240 I would say it's close to three to four thousand have died, So 290 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:53,920 we're well passed the number of people that perished on that day. And that 291 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,720 rooted back into the fact that it was considered more of a priority for the 292 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,599 nervy of business and that people made aware of the attendant risk was staying down 293 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:11,559 there. Wow. Yeah, And it's so infuriating to watching these people have 294 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,240 to fight for just to get the care that they need. And then of 295 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:19,319 course you know now the number of people who've passed it, it's just uh, 296 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,799 yeah, that is staggering, you know, John Stewart, of course, 297 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,480 it's it's great that you know, somebody like him, who who's got 298 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:30,400 such a high profile, has been able to do a lot of great advocacy 299 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,200 very publicly for these people. But it should never be in it. I 300 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200 mean, first of all, I mean, you're it's interesting what you point 301 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,960 out about how everything was opened back up with without any consideration for you know, 302 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,160 whether these people were being poisoned, which obviously they were, and I 303 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480 didn't know that. I didn't know the part about actually there's a lot of 304 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,920 details in that that I didn't I didn't realize, Bob. So that's that's 305 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,880 interesting, but but it's also infuriating and obviously well, one of the things 306 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,799 is that we have been successful in extending the Zagroga Act, which is named 307 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:10,720 for James Zadroga, who was a detective with the NYPD. And so to 308 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:14,640 give you a sense of how resistant, and this is not uncommon. I 309 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,799 mean, anyone who follows veterans affairs knows that the government is so resistant to 310 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,960 whether it be burn Pits in the twenty fer century or Agent Orange, the 311 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:30,279 government is just low to admit liability, right, And so the same thing 312 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,440 was true here. And so for a few years after nine to eleven, 313 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:42,079 the City of New York resisted disclosing or even owning up to the occupational risk. 314 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:51,079 And so it was actually James Zadroga who was ill and was disabled, 315 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,279 and if luckily he was taken to a New Jersey coroner who actually made an 316 00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:03,759 independent determination outside of New York City that it was indeed his exposure to the 317 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:11,079 nine to eleven all the glass asbestos had really riddled his lung. And that 318 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:19,240 was the first situation where nine to eleven related health exposure was formally fingered for 319 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,240 a death. And even right up until that, the mayor of New York 320 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,119 City at the time, at the time, Michael Bloomberg insisted as the drug 321 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:36,240 had died because he was a drug addict. Oh yeah, And so everything 322 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:40,559 was about making sure the city demnified to solve for avoided liability, and then, 323 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,720 of course, to Mayor Bloomberg's credit, he did apologize to the family. 324 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:52,079 But before Jimmy died, the NYPD had him under surveillance and we're hoping 325 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,920 to catch him like some episode of you know, one of those national crime 326 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,759 dramas, and so that has been kind of like the received. For instance, 327 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:08,200 there's about twenty thousand children who are at the time K through twelve who 328 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:14,319 were ordered back into dozens of schools and lawer Manhattan and Western Brooklyn that it 329 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,319 were subsequently determined to be in the hot zone. Oh, I have a 330 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,920 significant elevated level of risk related to all kinds of diseases, which is why 331 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,400 this Drogact was expanded to twenty ninety. Now we just have to make sure 332 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,160 it's funded. Wow. Oh my god. Wow, that's incredible. That's 333 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:38,359 uh, that's that's crazy. I have to ask you too, I'm curious. 334 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Is it strange, you know because obviously at that time when nine to 335 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,000 eleven happened, really just by by luck of him having to have been mayor 336 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,440 at the time, Rudy Giuliani, you know, it really elevated his status 337 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,519 and he sort of obviously he was already well, he had been a well 338 00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,200 respected US prosecutor and so forth, but you know, and then he was 339 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,920 mayor. And I don't know how he was doing before nine to eleven, 340 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,640 but once nine eleven happened, you know, and he I guess he projected 341 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:15,160 a certain optimism and and so forth through that, through that terrible day in 342 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,839 the aftermath of it. But now now he's being indicted in Georgia. I 343 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,960 mean, as a New Yorker, is that just is that just weird? 344 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:27,359 I because because I covered him closely, Yeah, I have to tell you 345 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:36,240 that that image of him was always a false front. And so once you 346 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:44,119 I mean when he ran for President's instructed to remember that widows of firefighters from 347 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:51,400 nine to eleven dog just campaign because firefighters. He checked my written extensively about 348 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:59,240 this. The fire Union have always maintained that it was the failure of Julianna's 349 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:06,440 administration to provide proper fire radios led to the death of at least one hundred 350 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,319 and some odd firefighters who were caught up in a collapse of one of the 351 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:15,160 towers that didn't get the order to leave, okay, And so people always 352 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,119 have found it, who know, New York City intimately and know the public 353 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,400 unions find it ironic that the nation, I mean so largely that image of 354 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,119 Guliani as a consequence that when he was US Attorney, he was very very 355 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:40,000 much of a publicity machine and really cultivated the media. And in my business, 356 00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:45,240 when somebody who like US Attorney cultivates you, then that becomes you're invested 357 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,119 in helping them when they just you know, they become somebody that you want 358 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,759 to reinvest in their image, and then it becomes like you're involved with Rudy 359 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:57,640 Ink. And so you just have to look at the people that he surrounded 360 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,039 himself with, Bernie Carrick, who was a police commissioner and then ended up 361 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,960 getting caught up and heard on a New Jersey state police wire and then found 362 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:15,680 himself convicted for a whole bunch of corrupt deeds before even Donald Trump was involved 363 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,559 as a figure in our politics. I mean, so, I guess that's 364 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,799 the thing is how well you're known New York. Did he Yes, you're 365 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,039 right at ten thousand feet. And the national image is that he was America's 366 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:32,519 mayor, But he was somebody that was very divisive and was very skilled at 367 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:41,240 playing off using racial dynamics as a way of running the city. And yeah, 368 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,400 and that's one of these things. The difference between his public persona and 369 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,920 what it was like if you were aware of how he actually governed day in 370 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,000 day out, there's a difference. It's like, even right now, there 371 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:59,160 is a renewed congressional interest in the City of New York releasing the files that 372 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:03,799 Juliannie had when he was mayor, and the current mayor, who is nominally 373 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:11,240 a Democrat, is refusing to release the nine to eleven municipal files unless there's 374 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,440 further indemnification of the City of New York. Really, yes, sir, 375 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,640 Wow, you didn't hear about that on the news, did you did not? 376 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,839 I did not. I had no idea. I do know that, 377 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,759 Uh. Mayor Eric Adams is uh. You know a lot of people are 378 00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:32,640 not necessarily thrilled with him, but yeah, yeah, no doubt, no 379 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,119 doubt. So looking at Giuliani now, you know, having covered him and 380 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,599 knowing knowing that the truth of him and seeing that up close, are are 381 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,880 you are you not shocked at what's happening to him now? Or is there 382 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,920 a part of you that kind of always thought, you know, yeah, 383 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,400 it makes sense that it ends up this way for him. So so so 384 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,680 I had this h I covered New Jersey politics and so Donald Trump was on 385 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,920 my r from his days in Atlantic City. Yeah, and so I've interviewed 386 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,839 Donald Trump, and I really it's Atlantic City of the State of New Jersey. 387 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:17,000 It was a tremendous apology to the United States because it was in Atlantic 388 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:27,200 City that Trump really developed this ability to corrupt everything in anything that he is 389 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:34,039 engagement and the State of New Jersey, which so badly wanted gambling to work 390 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:40,720 out, aided and embedded him in his criminality. And he would collect regulators, 391 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,279 prosecutors, law enforcement figures like you might collect butterflies in a cigar box. 392 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:54,640 And once you finished your turn on the Regulatory Control Commission, by then 393 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,160 you, my friend, wouldn't have an opportunity to work. But Donald Trump. 394 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,799 Even Governor Jim Florio, who had great respect for just recently passed, 395 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,680 you know, he was on one of Donald Trump's board. That's right, 396 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:14,599 this is the way he works. And so I am not surprised. And 397 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:20,400 of course being in New York City real estate, knowing the way that that 398 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:24,240 functions as a business, which is it's got nothing on the Wild West, 399 00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:28,359 has nothing on New York City real estate. Hi, I got a problem 400 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:30,519 with tenants in the building. Get some people with baseball batts who know the 401 00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:34,960 hell's angels and throw them out. I mean, that's you know, it's 402 00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:40,759 it's told to be some kind of like progressive place, but the actually economy 403 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,240 on the ground is a brutal place. I mean New York City's personality. 404 00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:52,039 You know that New York City was actually the mayor during the Civil War wanted 405 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,359 to side with the South. I don't know if you're aware of that, 406 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:01,680 but New York City was really upset that the Union was lining up to stop 407 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:09,400 slavery because they're actually closer politically to the economy of the cotton South. And 408 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:15,079 so yeah, in New York is and by association, Lenning City has this 409 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,519 mercantile spirit. There are no enduring family values there. It's it's all just 410 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,639 about the money. Interesting. Yeah, I did not know that about New 411 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,400 York siding or wanting to side with the South and the Civil War. Jeez, 412 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,079 wow, that's that's shocking. I have to ask you too. I 413 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:38,079 wasn't there to cover that, but I understood I should ask you too. 414 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:43,719 Bob about because you obviously you know New Jersey very well. Uh. Any 415 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,920 thoughts on Governor Chris Christie, who, by the way, I don't know 416 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,360 if some of my listeners might know this, but he has now pulled ahead 417 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,440 of Ronda Santis and the polls here in New Hampshire. Not that it's going 418 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,119 to matter. Trump will win, I have no doubt. But do you 419 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,840 have any any insight on the governor? Yeah? I So it's so funny 420 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,280 because Chris Christy didn't go back a long way. We lived in the same 421 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,519 part of Morris County, New Jersey. I covered him when I was stringing 422 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:16,840 for the New York Times when he was a US attorney. I remember as 423 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:23,519 his press conference he was selected by Bush to be the US Attorney. He 424 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:29,199 had not had any real background in that kind of heavy lift. He was 425 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,280 known as a Bush pioneer, which means you've given more money than anyone else, 426 00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:37,199 so of course you got to be US attorney. And I remember that 427 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480 I asked him at the press conference if that's why he got the job, 428 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,599 that's the kind of That's how I was rolling back at that time. Did 429 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,599 he answer? Did he answer your question when you asked him that yeah, 430 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,840 he gave it an answer. He was always he's a great copy. I 431 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,679 will tell you that I did have I covered him then I was in NYC. 432 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,039 And he of course got elected when he served as US Attorney, he 433 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:08,519 did go after both political parties in because of political corruption. But I do 434 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:16,840 remember I was part of the national media poll of Pool that had to cover 435 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,039 him on Sandy. And I remember I had been I was living in a 436 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:29,480 rural part of Morris County and it was really tore up really badly by Sandy. 437 00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:32,519 Sandy, and I had the sad duty to report the first fatalities for 438 00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:37,159 Sandy in that part of Morris County. And then I got a call from 439 00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:43,079 the State Police Executive Protection Unit that they wanted me to drive down the next 440 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:51,920 day to the State Police headquarters and then to take a Blackhawk helicopter and then 441 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:59,360 be responsible for providing the sound of Governor Christie's first inspection of a community called 442 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,519 Sayerville, which is, you know, a blue collar kind of place. 443 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,519 It's bungalow houses, it used to be seasoned. All that people had fixed 444 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:12,800 up to your run housing people with not a lot, certainly working class neighborhood. 445 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,440 And I have to tell you that I was very moved by his engagement 446 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,360 with these people. I've certainly been very critical of Bridge gatting all the rest, 447 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:30,079 but in that singular moment and those hours that I was covering him, 448 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,360 I was quite impressed with his ability to engage people in a way who had 449 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840 really lost everything, and to give them a sense that they were part of 450 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,679 something bigger than themselves that would help them and protect them. That is the 451 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,599 kind of thing that you unless you experienced directly. I mean, I will 452 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,320 never forget when I've never been into black called helicopter before, and clearly they 453 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,679 preserve all of the payload for the lead that protect you if you're a soldier. 454 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:04,800 But when I got out of there, I've never heard I've never heard 455 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,719 the sound of two hundred women crying collectively. Well, that's something you don't 456 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,679 forget. I mean, colleagues of mine who've worked and worked on areas or 457 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,800 mass disasters that described it. But he acquitted himself that day, and of 458 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:29,440 course subsequently in a significant way with of course embracing President Obama. So you 459 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,280 know, you know what's funny. People people talk about the hug with Obama, 460 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,559 and people talked about it so much over the years that it sort of 461 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,599 created a Mandela effect, at least at I experienced. I have an actual 462 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,239 mental image of that hug, even though they never actually did embrace. They 463 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,320 just shook hands. But but in my mind, but I got so used 464 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,679 to hearing Republicans complain about the hug that in my mind I had created a 465 00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:52,639 mental image of it, even though it never happened. By the way, 466 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,760 just quickly, Bridgegate, do you do you believe he knew? Because I 467 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,880 think he knew. I've never believed in my life there was an atmosphere and 468 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,960 this is this is an occupational hazard for a business that runs on your ego, 469 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,519 right, And so what is the problem here is that he had created 470 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:17,920 this atmosphere where his subordinates felt that they had to get results by any means 471 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,840 necessary. And the thing that is I just can't forgive is that this was 472 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,960 happening. Remember this play out on the anniversary of nine to eleven on the 473 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:37,559 port authorities George Washington Bridge, which, if you know anything about counter terrorism, 474 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,800 has always been one of the major targets that law enforcement and national security 475 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,280 has worried about. So this was actually the most egregious thing which the US 476 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480 Attorney should have charged, which is that the Port Authority Police, an arm 477 00:39:53,559 --> 00:40:00,400 of a bi state agency, was used for a political grudge. Their eyes 478 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,679 were taking off the ball of their fundamental job to protect and serve people from 479 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,920 a terrorist attack. That's what's wrong with Bridgegate. I bet you haven't heard 480 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,440 that analysis. Ei there. No, that's a fantastic point, and that 481 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,800 had not occurred to me. I mean, I know that obviously that you 482 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,360 know it caused problems. I believe someone died if I'm not mistaken because an 483 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,599 ambulance. They didn't die, but it was it did create it slowed the 484 00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:28,719 response. So yeah, it was slowed an ambulance response, and it did 485 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,840 create and it was never addressed within one of the things that happened, the 486 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,079 Bergen records did create reporting on this is the What happened was the superior officers 487 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:44,920 of the Port Authority Police, when regular rank and file cops were like, 488 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,639 hey, we can't have these pylons here. This is going to make a 489 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:51,480 mess. They got visited by the brass who told them to stop talking on 490 00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:59,920 the radio, and the PBA that backed Christy were like totally politically compromised. 491 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,599 In around this because what was happening was there was tremendous After nine eleven, 492 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,519 the City of New York wanted to take over the security function for that sixteen 493 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:15,400 anchor area of the Port Authority that has the World Trade Center. It's important 494 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,800 to understand that the Port Authority is actually a separate government. I try to 495 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,159 tell people it's like the Vatican, it's a duchy. So it is a 496 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:30,840 separate sovereign entity. And so Christie sided with in order to get the endorsement 497 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,840 of the PBA, sided with them in this internal battle, and so the 498 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,159 PBA became a tool for that. And so one of the other things that 499 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:45,079 happened is there were a number of unindicted co conspirators in Bridge Gate. They 500 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:49,000 were brought up and we never learned the identity of any of those people. 501 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,079 And of course subsequently the three people that were convicted had their convictions, well 502 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:57,920 two of them had their convictions overturned by the Supreme Court, which is getting 503 00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,400 just lately gotten very weak. Need about public corruption, you really just have 504 00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,239 to any kind of public corruption case or inclination. I guess they felt guilty 505 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,079 about Thomas. They feel, well, if he's not being held accountal. 506 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:12,760 We shall let them all go. I didn't realize that two of those had 507 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,599 been overturned. Oh that's incredible, that's incredible. Well, but I think 508 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:19,559 I got the jump. But it was great talking with you, and I 509 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,519 hope we can catch up again soon. Absolutely, do you want to do 510 00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:27,599 you want to plug anything quickly before you go? No, I guess I 511 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,440 where my work is and shows up in DC reports. It would be great 512 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,840 to come back some time and talk about the battle of New York City retirees 513 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,559 to resist medicare advantage, because that's a whole other thing. That's how I 514 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:45,280 met Jen is this great event in Washington where you know, around the country, 515 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:47,679 civil servants, the retired civil servants have done so much to build a 516 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:54,440 country and protecting service now find themselves being auto enrolled out of access traditional medicare 517 00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,079 in exchange for these fly by night snake oil salesman that to our primary senior 518 00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:07,760 titanium sneakers at a twenty four carrot gold wooker call one eight hundred. Do 519 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,760 we cheat him? And how I know? It's It's maddening, all right, 520 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:15,039 Bob Heneley, I appreciate your time so much. Thank you for joining 521 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,639 us, my friend. I do look forward to doing this again in the 522 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:20,559 future, and we'll talk to you later. Thank you, byebye, take 523 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,639 care, all right, by bye, all right. That was Bob Heney 524 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,559 and you can hear him by the way too. He's also a fellow fellow 525 00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:31,480 radio guy w BAI ninety nine point five in New York City. He's a 526 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,559 real New Yorker and UH really really enjoyed talking with him, and I learned 527 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,519 a lot too, so that was that was very cool. We've got a 528 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:43,119 few minutes before the top of the hour, so if anyone wants to get 529 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:45,199 in with a call, uh, the studio line is open six zero three 530 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,599 two five zero six zero seven six zero three two five zero six zero seven. 531 00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:52,880 You can also text me at six one seven nine one seven four four 532 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,880 seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me 533 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,719 Matt at Matt Connerton dot com, and of course you can interact end opine 534 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,719 in the Facebook live chat. But the best thing to do so that we 535 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,719 can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is give us a call at six zo 536 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,159 three two five six zero seven. We'll get into in the second hour. 537 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:21,840 We'll certainly get into big big newsday yesterday. But let's see who else has 538 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:28,280 joined us. In the Facebook live chat, John Hopwood is in the chat 539 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,679 room. Hello John, and you might be the only one who's popped in 540 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,519 there. Jenny shared some links to for on Bob Heneley's behalf in the chat 541 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,719 room. Oh, Miriam Bannish joins this sense as good afternoon, Good afternoon, 542 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:45,920 and Miriam, uh, all right, very good. Oh. Ronda 543 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,239 Fervero from the great state of California, also in the Facebook live chat. 544 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,039 Hello Ronda, I thought I saw somebody else who had who had popped in 545 00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,960 there. Very good, very good. Well, I think what we'll do 546 00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,239 is we are close to the top of the hour, we'll play us song 547 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,559 and then we'll come back and we'll kind of reset, We'll show some love 548 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:07,519 to our amazing sponsors, all of that, and then we do have a 549 00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,119 much to discuss, my friends, So there's plenty more Matt Connerton unleashed to 550 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,840 come. But thank you again to Bob Henley for joining us, and we'll 551 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,119 play a little lot Ian's and coded. The song always gets a great response 552 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,519 whenever I play it, and then we'll be back with our number two numerodos 553 00:45:22,599 --> 00:46:08,159 coming up. Don't go anywhere. Hello everybody, Here we go our number 554 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:14,760 two newmerodos of Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w 555 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,719 m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious although a bit rainy and 556 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,719 damp Bud Glorious Downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also now on Channel six on 557 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,599 Comcast here in Manchester. And of course hello to all of our online listeners 558 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,239 across the nation and around the globe. You can go to my website Matt 559 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,360 Connerton dot com for all of your live streaming options, social media links, 560 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,599 contact and folk show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is Tuesday, August 561 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,320 fifteen, two thousand twenty three. So nice to have you with me, 562 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,559 and thank you again to Bob Henley for joining us in the first hour. 563 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:54,039 I really enjoyed speaking with him. He's a very accomplished and award winning journalist 564 00:46:54,119 --> 00:47:00,079 and he's also a fellow radio host. He's on w BAI ninety nine point 565 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:06,280 five FM in New York City and Jenny has had the privilege of being on 566 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,239 one of his shows a few weeks ago. They had a great discussion so 567 00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:12,000 It was great too. I get to talk with Bob and he did say 568 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,960 and we're gonna hold him to it. He did say he'll be back in 569 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,440 the future. So I really enjoyed talking with him. I could have talked 570 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,000 to him for the whole show, but he had limited time because he is 571 00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,199 a very, very busy guy. But I do have time for you. 572 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,719 If you would like to call us at six zo three two five zero six 573 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:30,280 zoo seven. The studio line is open six zoo three two five zero six 574 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,159 zero seven. You can also text me at six one seven nine one seven 575 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,320 four four seven six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can 576 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,519 email me Matt at matt Connerton dot com, and of course you can interact 577 00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:46,480 Endo Pyne in the Facebook live chat if you please. But the best way 578 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,800 to reach us so that we can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is to 579 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,880 give us a call at six zo three two five zero six zero seven six 580 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,079 ozo three two five zero six O seven. Uh. Let's see. Well, 581 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,840 obviously, I mean there's no escaping it, and I know that last 582 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,440 week. Last week I avoided all the Trump legal stuff because I was suffering 583 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,199 from If you if you didn't get a chance to tune in last week, 584 00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:14,280 you might not know. I've had a terrible ailment. I had some of 585 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,559 that TFS going Trump fatigue syndrome. But uh, huge news yesterday, which 586 00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,880 is unavoidable. But we do have a call, so we'll we'll take this. 587 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,079 Hi, welcome to Matt Connerton unleashed. Who's this? Are you asked 588 00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:31,400 for it? Oh? It's Dave Ridley. It's up Dave. And what's 589 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,719 worse, I'm going to talk about Dave Ridley. You're going to talk about 590 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:42,400 yourself? Yeah? Wow, Well you know we're allowed you can. You 591 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,559 can talk about yourself? Are you? Do you have some sort of announcement? 592 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,360 Are you h Have you won some sort of an award? Are you 593 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,920 about to go on a trip? Well, what could it be? No, 594 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,119 I wouldn't talk about myself. It wasn't someone a little bit news worthy. 595 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,880 Oh no, I am. I'm reactivating the Riddley Report as yesterday. 596 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,239 I didn't know the Ridley Report had been deactivated. Yes, I went about 597 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:13,119 a year and a half without producing anything. You know, they're just there's 598 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,559 hardly anywhere to put it. You know, I've been when I got a 599 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:21,800 new platforms from YouTube. You know, I was getting your well, I 600 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,000 guess my peak. I was getting about four thousand hits per video. Over 601 00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:29,760 time, they gradually, you know, cut pieces of me off until I 602 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,639 wasn't I wasn't getting room any hits. And then they said, well, 603 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:36,679 you you put up any more videos and we don't like them, we'll just 604 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,360 take your channel down. It wasn't quite that simple, but that's the basics. 605 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,559 No, I understand. I mean, I've had my own tribulations with 606 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,239 YouTube, so I understand, but not nearly to the excent that you have. 607 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,960 Obviously. So how long ago was that that? So that was that 608 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,679 was when you decided to suspend the Ridley Report, right, So how long 609 00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,000 ago was that? Dave? About eighteen months ago? Okay, so year 610 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:06,719 and a half. So now you are restarting it on YouTube. No, 611 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,880 I did try to make a new YouTube channel, but it it got no 612 00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,000 hits, basically the old YouTube channel. Again, if I would put up 613 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,639 a video, they would threaten they would sometimes take they would look at the 614 00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:21,000 video, or you know, their robot would look at the video and threatened 615 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,519 to take down the old channel. Because I there's all these things. Apparently 616 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,199 you're not allowed to stay anymore, and I can't keep track of them all. 617 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,039 And I don't know why the video gets taken down or why I get 618 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,119 threatened exactly, but they you know, Uh, it's just like you know, 619 00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:37,599 anyone that has a YouTube account knows how this works, and anyone that 620 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:42,199 tries to watch YouTube knows how hard it is to watch without special software. 621 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,360 Now wait, what, well you know how you know it's probably putting ads 622 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,199 up in front of you and interrupting your videos. You know, if you 623 00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,039 have an ad locker or what not. There their ways to get around it. 624 00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:55,519 But yeah, yeah, I got you. Yeah, No, I 625 00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:58,920 know exactly what you mean. I know exactly what you mean, and it 626 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,440 is frustrating when they don't. You know, Facebook is like this too. 627 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,079 It's frustrating when they tell you, you know, you've broken the rules in 628 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:07,719 some way, but they won't tell you exactly what the rule is that you 629 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,039 broke, so then you have to guess, and then it becomes a matter 630 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,320 of well, it's a little difficult to know what not to do if you're 631 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,599 not going to tell me what I did that was wrong. So I understand 632 00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:23,480 that frustration too, So are you starting the restarting the Ridley Report on another 633 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,719 platform. Well, it's it's been running on I've I've been uploading whatever I 634 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,880 shoot to bit shoot basically, and there have been a couple of exceptions, 635 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,599 you know, over the last two years. It's been occasions where I've I've 636 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,679 shot something and uploaded it. But basically I just kind of throwing my hands 637 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,239 up. But people kept requesting that I that I get it going again and 638 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,039 get out there and you hold. The whole idea is to go to government 639 00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,400 meeting, stand in front of the government meeting, ask government bureacrats questions and 640 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,119 established the right to film the meeting. That kind of thing. It usually 641 00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:59,400 triggers some you know, often triggers some drama and hopefully makes civics interesting in 642 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,519 an area where, you know, especially local politics just is undercovered by the 643 00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:09,880 mainstream press. Now. Scott Robinson in the chat is asking a question about 644 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,000 pork Fest. You don't but you don't actually participate in pork Fest? Do 645 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:20,079 you dive? Yeah? I go sometimes I go about every five years. 646 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,559 Oh did you go? Did you go? This year? No? I 647 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,239 went in twenty twenty one was the most recent one. Scott Robinson's asking something 648 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,960 about people walking around nude and doing drugs around kids. I don't, I 649 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,000 don't. I haven't heard anything about that. Did you know anything about that? 650 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:37,920 So pork pork Fest is a big tent. So you've got to Evangelical 651 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:45,199 Christians there, Statanists, Muslims, Orthodox Jewish folks, people who just got 652 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:53,239 off the plane from Israel visiting Russians and uh, nudists and conservatives and drug 653 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:59,039 users, gun owners and people who don't like drug users very much at all. 654 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,920 It's all right, right, and they used and but there's definitely is 655 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,920 a lot of drug use at pork Fest. No one's pretending otherwise. And 656 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,760 that's what makes it special. I mean, it's not burning Man, where 657 00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:15,480 you know, there's police all over the place. Police are not really allowed 658 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:21,920 at pork Fest, you know, with rare exceptions, right, I'm sure. 659 00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:25,159 Yeah, I heard at pork Fest there are people walking around nude with 660 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,840 guns. Yeah they Yeah, there's definitely nudists. It's a whole, shaving 661 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,679 the whole. The only the only real rule people are supposed to have to 662 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,599 follow is you just don't start fights. You just don't don't commit any acts 663 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:43,239 of aggressions. And everything else is supposed to be go obviously, you know, 664 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,719 management you know has sometimes been forced to, you know, impose some 665 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,519 rules, or sometimes management once to impose rules, but in practice it's a 666 00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:57,360 it's a it's a libertarian festival, but there's a libertine element to it. 667 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,960 Does it make sense? Yes? Yes, absolutely resolutely? So where so 668 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:06,199 to circle back, Dave, I'm sorry I was distracted by Scott Robinson's question. 669 00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,599 So, uh, where is the new Riddler Report going to be a 670 00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,719 bit shoot? Yeah? Well shoot, yes, yeah, I'll be able 671 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,079 to just follow the new videos by by going to Riddler report dot com. 672 00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:21,360 You'll see you when you go there the house how long it's been now? 673 00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,679 Right now? Really report dot Com redirects to Odyssey, but I think I'm 674 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,159 going to redirect it to my bit shoot channel because it gets four hits. 675 00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,039 And yeah, I agree, it was. The idea is just I'll be 676 00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:36,440 I'll be going to government meetings and asking asking the hardest questions I can think 677 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,840 of, uh, you know, not not inside the meeting, but but 678 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,119 as people walk in and bureaucrats and so forth, and I just try to, 679 00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:45,960 you know, do what I can to bring specific some some accountability to 680 00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:52,320 to these unaccountable institutions. And when does that start your bit shoot account? 681 00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,840 Uh, the bit shoo account is up and running. If you go to 682 00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,239 bit shoot and just type riddle the report, you'll find find videos there they 683 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:06,119 were shot earlier. Oh very good. Yeah, I use I use bitch 684 00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:08,760 shoot. I upload content to it. It's very easy, very user friendly, 685 00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:13,559 and there are definitely I mean, I don't know how, I don't 686 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:15,480 know how accurate the numbers are, but you can definitely get a lot of 687 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:20,079 views on bitch shoot, So I think I think that's a very smart move. 688 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:23,039 And they don't sensor anything, you won't have any problems now. Yeah, 689 00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,440 eventually they'll come to bitch shoot too. I mean, look what they 690 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,159 did the gab. Look what they did to uh other platforms like Library in 691 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:36,519 Manchester where they they just shut them all the way down. Yeah, well 692 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:43,039 or they shut the company all the way down right, all right? Well, 693 00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:47,599 Dave, congratulations on that. Anything to add if you just go if 694 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:52,079 you want to uh no more, you can go to forum dot shire society 695 00:55:52,119 --> 00:56:00,360 dot com and I posted detailed just a detailed post there that it had what's 696 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,800 gonna happen? And if you want to buy an ad you can go there 697 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,199 to form well forum dot chire society dot com. All right, very good, 698 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,199 all right, Well, thank you for the call, Dave, and 699 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:15,559 congratulations and I'm glad you have revived the Ridley Report. Well, let's see 700 00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,840 what we can do. Gotta do something, Gotta do something. Can't let 701 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,119 them have their way on everything. There you go, there you go, 702 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,559 all right, Dave, thank you for the call, my friend, take 703 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,880 care. All right, thanks Matt, all right, you got it, 704 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,239 bye bye. All right. That was Dave Ridley of the Ridley Report. 705 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,000 Now on bit shoot. And yes, I am a fan of that platform. 706 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,159 It's, like I said, you can put content on there. It's 707 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,400 very easy. They don't give you a hard time about anything. I'm like, 708 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,239 I'm like YouTube. Tom Blanchard says, come on, let's talk about 709 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,880 Trump. Oh, absolutely, we're gonna Mike from Queen City Cabinetry says, 710 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,920 when he says they're coming for us, does he mean the aliens? Oh? 711 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:58,159 I don't see. I can't ask him, Mike because he's not on 712 00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:01,239 the line anymore. But we do have virtual Dave Ridley has joined us, 713 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,360 so we can ask him. Are you talking? What was real Dave Ridley 714 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,239 talking about the aliens had no idea. Okay, so he yeah, he 715 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,599 doesn't know. Yeah, I'm not sure everyone's gonna get tat or like it. 716 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,800 Right, Well, we don't you know. No, Okay, I'm 717 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,199 done. I gotta go, I gotta go, all right, Virtual Dave 718 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,719 Ridley is also leaving us. But if you'd like to call us six zero 719 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,800 three two five zero six zero seven six zho three two five zero six zero 720 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,400 seven, the studio line is open, and you go on. Seems to 721 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,119 be very excited. Well, well, we'll just I thought you were leaving 722 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:40,440 Virtual Dave Ridley. Okay, let's see. Yes, so if you if 723 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,239 you don't know, there was some big news and I guess my Trump fatigue 724 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,280 syndrome has ended because we do have to talk about this. But that will 725 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,280 grab this call. We do have a call. Hi, Welcome to Matt 726 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,239 Connerton unleashed. Who is this? John C. Hawkwood And the seas for 727 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,840 flying Saucer? I know there's okay whatever, Oh the sea is for flying 728 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,519 saucer. There's a sea in there somewhere. Yes, what's up? John? 729 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:15,719 Who who's making mocking uh UAPs and extraterrestrial Well, Mike from Queen City 730 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,519 cabinetry. I want names. Yes, Mike from Queen City Cabinetry. He 731 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:24,880 was just asking are the aliens coming for us? Oh well, if putting 732 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,800 it that way, it could just be an innocent question. He might be 733 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,360 thinking. I was just doing a thing about Manchester's self sub Messiah, which 734 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,239 you know we can't talk about on your program because you always try to stay 735 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,800 within the boundaries of good taste. Not really shut up virtual days. Yes 736 00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:49,679 I do, Yes, I do try to stay within the bounds of good 737 00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:53,079 taste. Yes, I just, I just, I just don't think people 738 00:58:53,079 --> 00:59:00,079 should be mocking extraterrestrials, particularly in light of that some of the presidential and 739 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:07,239 its could be either hybrids or just you know, two hundred proof you know, 740 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,800 from mock tourists or some place right. I'm here, just amazing though 741 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,719 that you know, they's allegedly amongst us, and instead of lifting us up, 742 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:22,000 we've seem to have done them down. Oh well, that's all that's 743 00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:27,119 terrible to hear. So, by the way, did you see Chris Christie 744 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,599 has pulled ahead of Rohnde Santas and the upholding here in New Hampshire. I 745 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:37,480 believe our friend Eric Pilcher will be very excited. I might have a parat 746 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,960 paroxysm. Paroxysm. How do you how do you pronounce the word p r 747 00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:47,079 A r o x y M of a belly? Laughter? Oh my goodness. 748 00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:55,960 Well, Jack in homem Edge to Jack the Jackie Gleason of presidential politics. 749 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,480 Yeah, I mean he's still you know, he still has no no 750 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:07,079 chance of course. Any thoughts on the indictments coming out of Georgia. Georgia, 751 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,440 Jee's I just don't still want to think about politics. I'm still where 752 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,440 you are. Last week. Well, I've snapped out of it. I've 753 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,840 come through it. The events of yesterday have forced me to do so. 754 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:23,079 Uh. You know, Plus I had the weekend to kind of you know, 755 01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:27,840 get my fever down, my Trump fatigue syndrome. But I'm sure it 756 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,480 will be back. I'm sure it will be something that will likely be with 757 01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:35,079 me for a long time. But you know, it's probably something I'll just 758 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,639 have to manage, try to control. But I'll have an occasional flare up, 759 01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:42,760 you know what I mean. It's all about suppression. I mean it's 760 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,320 like, you know, I don't want to hear about the war in Ukraine 761 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,840 because it actually is triggering and it gives me nightmares. But you know, 762 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,679 everybody talk, you know, people talk about it, and it's a thing 763 01:00:54,719 --> 01:01:00,320 in the news. That's right. Two nights I've been having nightmares. It's 764 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,039 something you don't want to think about. But pork Fest. Robert F. 765 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:09,400 Kennedy Junior addressed pork Fest and the head of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, 766 01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:15,480 Ray Buckley, who I've bought horns with two but you know that's politics right 767 01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:22,320 friendly with him now he told him that he shouldn't go and speak to pork 768 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:28,079 Fest, and I thought of that as a betrayal because some of those people 769 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:31,119 are my sworn enemies. We're talking, you know, not as Dave says, 770 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:36,760 it's a you know, diverse crowd, but there's some really obnoxious people 771 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,800 there, unlike somebody like me, who's you know, looks perfect gentleman. 772 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,719 You know, I'm like pouring oil? Is it on troubled waters or probably 773 01:01:46,719 --> 01:01:52,639 you're thinking gasoline? But now we I know why I went to watch the 774 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:58,599 pork Fest. The introduction, you know, him speaking and the person who 775 01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:05,440 introduced him is like I mentioned that right congress the right wing congressman's wife, 776 01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,360 oh, the wife of Yeah, we can talk about this another time, 777 01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,800 because you know, you've got to get onto the Trump stuff. But she's 778 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,679 there introducing a podcast. I don't know about her, but I know her 779 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:22,559 husband, who was a nine term congressman Orras County, California, which is 780 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,920 where the John Birch Society was from, and was on the long list to 781 01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:36,840 be Trump's Secretary of State. He was marching to protest to stall an election 782 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:42,840 on January sixth, Bobby Kennedy Junior picks to be his new Hampshire coordinator. 783 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:46,760 She lives in Kittery, Maine. And you know, I'm dealing with that 784 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,840 because, you know, like Tom Maskell and other people, I know, 785 01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:57,440 because of his anti you know, like nineteen seventies anti corporate message, we're 786 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,559 looking at to him like he's a second coming to Bernie Flanders. Right. 787 01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:07,159 So, Ray Buckley, all right, I'm gonna I have RFKA derangement syndrome 788 01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:15,000 today. I understand. I understand. Oh you already figured it out well 789 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:19,280 before I did. That's right, Okay, take care of Matt. All 790 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,199 right, John, thanks for the call, bye bye. All right. 791 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,800 Well, even saying something like that, you know you could if you were 792 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,599 like a national talk show host. You said something like that you could have 793 01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,000 your show yank off the year, or or that could be protests at your 794 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,639 offices or something over something like that. Oh, virtual, Dave Ridley, 795 01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,119 you worry too much. Six h three two five zero six zero seven. 796 01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:44,400 The studio line is open and available for you six zho three two five zero 797 01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:49,239 six zero seven if you would like to chime in. Mike from Queen City 798 01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,760 Cabinetry said, I bet Georgia's on Trump's mind. I would assume so. 799 01:03:53,719 --> 01:03:58,880 I mean, in the short term it's all good news for Trump and that 800 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,840 again in the short term because it will help him to win the nomination. 801 01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:08,599 He's apparently doing a big press conference on Monday, some sort of presentation on 802 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:12,960 Monday. Trump is where I assume he'll, you know, he'll say horrible 803 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,400 things about Jack Smith and Fanny Fanny Willison all that, and he's apparently he's 804 01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:24,440 uh supposed to make his case for how the Georgia election was in fact stolen 805 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,559 from him, you know, two recounts and all of that. But you 806 01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:31,360 know, he'll he'll still say whatever he's going to say, and uh yeah, 807 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:38,679 maybe he'll say horrible things about Ruby Freeman again. Try to re ruin 808 01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,679 her life. You know who knows. But yes, yesterday, while last 809 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,280 night Jenny and I were watching the the indictments, Uh, there was a 810 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,760 which were handed up. Apparently convictions are are handed down, or sentences are 811 01:04:54,760 --> 01:05:00,800 handed down, indictments are handed up. That's something new that we learned yesterday. 812 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,079 But we do have something here. This is from the Hill dot com. 813 01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:09,639 Five takeaways from Trump's Georgia indictment. So this will kind of get us 814 01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:18,559 caught up. Former President Trump was charged alongside eighteen co defendants, one of 815 01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:20,440 them, by the way, he turns out to be his former chief of 816 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:28,000 staff Mark Meadows, in a sweeping indictment touching on nearly every aspect of his 817 01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:31,000 effort to reverse his twenty twenty election loss in Georgia. The ninety eight page 818 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:38,079 indictment outlines Trump's pressure campaign against numerous Georgia officials, applied to submit false slates 819 01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:42,840 of electors, and a lawsuit with faulty claims affirmed by Trump that sought to 820 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,639 overturn the results in the state. And it devotes substantial time to lies about 821 01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:50,519 the election from Trump and his allies, whether about voter fraud in the state 822 01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:57,079 or those that unleashed a wave of threats against a Georgia election worker they accused 823 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,960 of mishandling ballots. And that's, of course Ruby Free and you know, 824 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:06,920 the woman whose life they ruined based on zero evidence. The indictment caps a 825 01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:13,360 more than two year investigation by Fulton County Attorney Fanny Willis, who gave the 826 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:18,519 defendants until noon on August twenty five to voluntarily surrender in Georgia. She said 827 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,039 late last night after the charges were filed, quote, I make decisions in 828 01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:27,239 this office based on the facts and the law. The law is completely nonpartisan. 829 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,719 The substantial charges for Trump or matched by a lengthy list of those indicted 830 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:39,159 alongside him, nearly every member. And by the way, they're all going 831 01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:45,400 to be tried together apparently, but some of them will of course flip or 832 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,440 there will be some degree of cooperation. I'm sure. I'm sure all eighteen 833 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:54,559 of these folks don't want to go down with Trump, particularly Mark Meadows, 834 01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:59,519 because Mark Meadows and there was some surprise that he was included in this indictment, 835 01:07:00,039 --> 01:07:03,800 because Mark Meadows has not been included in any federal indictments. And there's 836 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,639 a belief, there's a theory and in fact, Chris Chrissie, who we 837 01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:13,199 were discussing earlier, has been saying that Mark Meadows, while he doesn't know 838 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,480 this for sure, can't be certain, but Mark Meadows looks like a cooperating 839 01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:23,679 witness. So nearly every member of Trump's legal team is listed in the indictment. 840 01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:30,119 Oh and that's another really fascinating aspect of this. Someone pointed out they've 841 01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:36,000 never seen so many attorneys on an indictment together. Nearly every member of Trump's 842 01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:41,239 legal team is listed in the indictment, with Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, 843 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,360 Kenneth Cheesebro, Jenna Ellis, and Sidney Powell all facing charges as a result 844 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:53,519 of the probe. Jeffrey Clark, a former DJ lawyer Trump Maulden stalling as 845 01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:57,960 Attorney General, is also listed in the indictment. Cheesebro, who drafted the 846 01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:02,519 memo hatching the fake elect plot, was charged alongside just three of those who 847 01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:08,599 served as alternate electors, Sean Still, David Schaefer, and Kathy Latham, 848 01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:13,599 While sixteen Georgians participated in the scheme. Many have since received immunity deals in 849 01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:19,880 the investigation, and in a departure from the federal election interference case. Willis 850 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,640 also brings charges against former Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who, 851 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:30,560 alongside Trump, is charged with soliciting Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffinsburger to 852 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:36,760 reverse the election results by suggesting he quote find enough votes for Trump to carry 853 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,960 a state Joe Biden won. And by the way, if you've never heard 854 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,760 it, I suggest you listen to the call. I mean everyone's heard bits 855 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,000 and pieces of it. You know who was a perfect call, But actually 856 01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:51,319 no, it was a shakedown. I mean, if you believe that call 857 01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:57,319 was anything other than a shakedown, you're deluding yourself. But you can actually 858 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,920 listen to the entire thing, not just the part where Trump talks about I 859 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,880 just need you to find eleven thousand votes. You can hear the whole thing. 860 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:10,000 It's pretty fascinating. I think it's about thirty minutes. It's on YouTube. 861 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,119 Charges were also filed against Trump campaign staffers and those who sought to pressure 862 01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:20,159 election worker Ruby Freeman after Juliani claimed she had improperly handled ballots. Trump called 863 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:27,479 her a vote hustler or something, again based on zero evidence. The indictment 864 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,760 also targets those involved in the breach on an election's office in Coffee County, 865 01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:36,800 including Missy Hampton, Coffee County's election supervisor, who sent a written invitation a 866 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:44,399 Trump's legal team after posting a viral video claiming dominion voting system machines could be 867 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:50,000 manipulated. The heart of the indictment is labeling Trump's efforts in the state as 868 01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:56,520 a criminal enterprise, a designation that allows for the use of these states racketeer, 869 01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:02,880 influenced and Corrupt Organization's law, also commonly referred to as RICO. And 870 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,359 by the way, so Georgia has their own version of that. You know 871 01:10:05,399 --> 01:10:11,000 we always hear about federal RICO laws. This is George's own version of RICO. 872 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,000 The indictment list one hundred sixty one acts that formed the basis for the 873 01:10:15,079 --> 01:10:19,560 RICO charges, a point by point recounting of nearly every act and lie Trump 874 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,960 and his associates made in the course of trying to overturn the election. Use 875 01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:29,960 of the law also allows Willis to sweep in crimes that occurred outside her jurisdiction, 876 01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,079 like the effort to breach Coffee County election systems and the charges for Clark, 877 01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,840 who advocated for the Justice Department to send a letter to the state asking 878 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:42,479 that it hold off on certifying President Biden's victory in Georgia. While dioj investigated 879 01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:47,560 Trump's baseless claims of election fraud. Like the federal indictment brought earlier this month, 880 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:53,520 Willis focuses on the fraudulent claims made by Trump and his team, but 881 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,840 where a special counsel, Jack Smith, condenses the behavior into one fraud charge, 882 01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,600 Willis's indictment brings charges under primes that her forgery, I'm sorry that bar 883 01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:08,520 forgery, making false statements, and filing false documents. The Fulton County indictment 884 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:16,359 also alleges specific violations of Georgia election law. The indictment spends considerable energy on 885 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:24,079 lies spread by Juliani that turned the life of Georgia election worker Ruby Freeman upside 886 01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:26,479 down, and we talked about that on the show recently too. By the 887 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:34,439 way, Juliani is no longer claiming that what he said was true. I 888 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:41,159 forget exactly how it was worded, but he's no longer contesting that or no 889 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:45,039 longer claiming that there was any validity to that, effectively acknowledging that he lied, 890 01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:50,560 just made it up. Juliani shared a video of Freeman working alongside her 891 01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:56,279 daughter, Say Moss, whose life was also wrecked by this, during ballot 892 01:11:56,279 --> 01:12:00,359 counting at the State Farm Arena, later saying that the two were quote passing 893 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:08,520 around USB ports as if their vials of heroin were cocaine unquote, Freeman was 894 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:15,279 actually handing her daughter a mint. Trump would go on to call Freeman a 895 01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:21,159 quote professional vote scammer unquote. Those lies fueled the total disruption of the lies 896 01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:26,800 of both women and are also the basis of a civil defamation suit brought by 897 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,000 the women. Moss would go on to testify before the House Committee investigation on 898 01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:34,479 the JAM six attack, tearfully recounting how she feared for her life and she 899 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:39,880 and her mother were advised by law enforcement not to return to their homes out 900 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,199 of fear for their safety. The two black women also faced a series of 901 01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:47,880 racist threats after being thrown into the spotlight. Moss said at the hearing, 902 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:53,720 quote a lot of threats wishing death upon me, telling me I'll be in 903 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,960 jail with my mother, and saying things like be glad it's twenty twenty and 904 01:12:58,079 --> 01:13:03,079 not nineteen twenty unquote. Other Trump campaign allies like Harrison, Floyd, and 905 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,640 Trevy and Cutty were also charged, accused of pressuring others to make false statements 906 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:15,359 about election operations on election Day twenty twenty. It was clear Trump had lost 907 01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,600 the twenty twenty election by mid November, and by January twenty twenty one, 908 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:25,760 Biden had assumed office, But Willis's indictment alleges a conspiracy spanning from November four, 909 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,720 twenty twenty, the day after the election, to September twenty twenty two, 910 01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:33,960 nearly two years down the line. The last charges against Trump point to 911 01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:39,520 a September seventeen, twenty twenty one letter to Ravensburger, asking that he began 912 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:50,800 decertifying the state's election results well after the inauguration. Wow, why talk about 913 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:57,720 not letting something go. The move nods to the length of Trump's effort in 914 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,800 the state and an argument he has made on other cases that he should be 915 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:09,039 immune for actions taken during his presidency. That's almost comical, like after the 916 01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:15,000 inauguration sending Ravensburger that letter. Maybe it had actually gone out earlier and it 917 01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,319 got lost in the mail. I don't know. That's this wild. I 918 01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:23,079 do remember that though, I remember that being reported in the media. It's 919 01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:30,600 like what he's still trying. Oh my god. Lawyer Robert Chiley and Kathy 920 01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,840 Latham, a retired teacher who served as the chairwoman of the Cowfee I'm sorry 921 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:41,359 the Coffee County Republican Party, were each charged with perjury for quote knowingly, 922 01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:45,600 willfully and unlawfully unquote making at least one false statement about their involvement in the 923 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:51,239 alleged plot. Prosecutors say Latham lied under oath during a deposition for a different 924 01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:57,000 legal matter involving Ravensburger about her role in a breach of election equipment at the 925 01:14:57,279 --> 01:15:04,199 Coffee County Board of Elections registration office. Chile allegedly perjured himself before the Fulton 926 01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:14,039 County Special Purpose Grand Jury. Let's see, It's long been suspected that details 927 01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:17,880 like Trump's call to Ravensburger and his lawyer's fake elector's scheme would play a central 928 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:24,039 role in a Georgia indictment, details that have played a key role in Smith's 929 01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:28,840 federal investigation of the twenty twenty election aftermath as well. However, Willis's indictment 930 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:35,680 ultimately weaved in lesser known local efforts that allegedly advanced the broader conspiracy. The 931 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:44,840 indictment details trump lawyer's efforts to persuade state lawmakers of the former president's false election 932 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,399 fraud claims, plus his allies alleged efforts to pressure Freeman, the election worker. 933 01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:54,960 Prosecutors also tie an election equipment breach and Coffee County to Powell, one 934 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:59,239 of the former president's most front facing surrogates, for his election fraud claims. 935 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,439 The result ult of Willis's wide reaching narrative is the most comprehensive indictment to date, 936 01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:09,439 detailing Trump and his allies efforts to stop the twenty twenty election results from 937 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:14,880 going into effect. So that kind of gets us caught up on what's in 938 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:28,079 the indictment. Now media has a story about Brian Kemp, the governor of 939 01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:35,119 Georgia. And by the way, both Brian Kemp and Brad Raffinsburger were able 940 01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:42,520 to win reelection, so Trump was not able to damage them politically in Georgia, 941 01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:47,560 even though both of them, you know, stood stoic all along, 942 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:55,279 all through this never caved into Trump. And but they were able to they 943 01:16:55,279 --> 01:17:00,319 were able to withstand. They were able to withstand that. Tom Blae Chwerd 944 01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:05,359 says, a narcissistic person will not will not take no for an answer that 945 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:14,279 is true. This just popped up on media a little bit ago. Governor 946 01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:21,119 Brian Kemp absolutely obliterates Trump's plan to present quote irrefutable report on voter fraud in 947 01:17:21,159 --> 01:17:25,920 a scorching statement. So let's see, and I've not preread this, but 948 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,479 we'll see what. Brian Kemp again, the Republican governor of Georgia who has 949 01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,920 stood firm against Trump and has politically actually thrived. I mean, I think 950 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:40,520 he's pretty popular there. Georgia Governor Brian Kemp buried Donald Trump over his countless 951 01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:44,399 claims about the election in his state that the former president has never been able 952 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,479 to prove in court. On Tuesday morning, Trump announced on truth Social so 953 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:53,399 that was this morning that he will hold a press conference next week where he 954 01:17:53,439 --> 01:18:00,159 will produce a quote large, complex, detailed, but irrefutable report report in 955 01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:03,560 all caps. That's why I said it that way, report on the presidential 956 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:12,119 election fraud which took place in Georgia unquote. This sensationalistic claim follows thirteen count 957 01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:15,920 indictment from Fulton County District Attorney Bonnie Willis or I'm sure if it's funny your 958 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,000 fanny pronounced both ways? Who charged Trump? And eighteen code defendants? Okay, 959 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:26,720 we know that skipping down. Kemp was clearly not convinced of Trump's claims 960 01:18:27,119 --> 01:18:30,319 in a statement posted to X formerly known as Twitter. Hard to get used 961 01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:33,600 to that the platform? Oh it says it even right here in the article 962 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,159 the platform formerly known as Twitter. Oh god, how many years are we 963 01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:41,279 going to be referring to it that way? X? How long is it 964 01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:43,600 going to be before we can just say X and people know what we're talking 965 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:48,439 about? For years we're gonna be saying X the platform formerly known as Twitter. 966 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,960 Oh hello to U. Slim volume. By the way, who joins 967 01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:56,520 us in the Facebook? Lat chet? So the governor flatly declared on X 968 01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:02,119 quote the twenty twenty election in Georgia was not stolen. For nearly three years 969 01:19:02,199 --> 01:19:08,079 now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward under oath and 970 01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:12,640 prove anything in a court of law. Our elections in Georgia are secure, 971 01:19:13,079 --> 01:19:17,359 accessible and fair and will continue to be as long as I am governor. 972 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,159 The future of our country is at stake in twenty twenty four, and that 973 01:19:21,239 --> 01:19:29,720 must be our focus unquote. Kemp's remark follows the statement Georgia's Secretary of State 974 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:34,439 Brad Ravensburger released which clearly zinged the former president over his mounting legal troubles. 975 01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,880 Both officials have come under attack by Trump ever since the election because they refused 976 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,159 to back his election lies. Kemp has said that he would support Trump if 977 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:47,239 he wins the twenty twenty four Republican presidential nomination, and even though Trump remains 978 01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:53,159 the leading candidate in the polls, Kemp has urged the GOP to move away 979 01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:03,239 from the ex president. So that was Governor Brian Kemp's response. How much 980 01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:06,119 time do we have? Well, if you'd like to get in with a 981 01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:10,239 call, the studio line is open six zo three two five zero six zero 982 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:17,319 seven six three two five six zero seven. The Hill dot Com also has 983 01:20:17,359 --> 01:20:25,680 another article here the twelve Trump tweets listed in the Georgia indictment. This might 984 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,600 be interesting, by the way, even though it's no longer Twitter now it's 985 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,079 called X, we're still calling them tweets, so you still tweet on X. 986 01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:39,399 I know it's confusing. Maybe Elon Musk will just change it back, 987 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,439 change it back, Elon, Okay, says here. Fulton County, Georgia 988 01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:48,399 District Attorney Fini Willis noted twelve of the former president Trump's tweets as part of 989 01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:53,199 her case charging Trump for his efforts to remain in power following the election. 990 01:20:55,039 --> 01:20:59,760 The indictment lists more than one hundred and fifty alleged x at the prosecutors say 991 01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,600 all contributed to a conspiracy to overturn the election. Here's a look at the 992 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:09,520 tweets that are now part of Willis's prosecution. Okay, there's tweets about the 993 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:15,760 Georgia legislature hearings. In five of the posts included in the charging documents, 994 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:23,000 Trump referenced hearings held by committees of Georgia's state legislature at which Trump's allies promoted 995 01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:28,720 unfounded claims of mass election fraud to convince them no overturn the results. Several 996 01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:35,199 Trump attorneys who testified before state lawmakers now faced charges of making false statements or 997 01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:42,600 soliciting a public officer to violate their oath, including Rudy Giuliani, Ray Smith, 998 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,439 and John Eastman. Trump himself did not travel to any of the hearings, 999 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:51,399 but he repeatedly posted them on Twitter, the platform now known as X 1000 01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:59,479 as they were taking place. One tweet read as a December twenty twenty hearing 1001 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:04,880 the first of the three kicked off Georgia hearings now on at OA n N 1002 01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:12,920 amazing of course One America News network O ANN. Is that still a thing? 1003 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:14,800 By the way, does that still exist? I never hear about it 1004 01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,960 anymore? Did that go away? I know they were having a problem getting 1005 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,399 their contract renewed with cable companies or something happened, but Trump promoted false fraud 1006 01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:30,000 claims discussed out the hearing about an hour later, tweeting, Wow, blockbuster 1007 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:35,159 testimony taking place right now in Georgia ballot stuffing by Dems when Republicans were forced 1008 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:40,840 to leave the large counting room. Plenty more coming, but this alone needs 1009 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:45,880 to be an easy win of the state. The indictment also lists I wish 1010 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,600 I could do a good Trump impression. I'm sorry, guys, that'd be 1011 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:53,960 much more fun, but anyway. The indictment also lists three tweets issued on 1012 01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:00,359 Trump's account during a December thirty twenty Georgia Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing about the election. 1013 01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:05,760 Trump wrote just after nine am on that day quote hearings from Atlanta on 1014 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:13,399 the Georgia election overturn now being broadcast. Check it out at OA n N, 1015 01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:18,600 at Newsmax, and many more at Brian Kemp Georgia should resign from office. 1016 01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:24,960 He is an obstructionist who refuses to admit that we won Georgia. Big 1017 01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:30,640 also won the other swing states. Unquote. Swing States is capitalized, by 1018 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:35,000 the way, because if you haven't noticed, Trump just capitalizes random words. 1019 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:44,239 Don't know why. Uh, I mean well, I won't say it. 1020 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,880 About an hour later, Trump again encouraged people to tune in, tweeting a 1021 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:51,399 link to a live stream of the hearing and writing quote Hearings from Atlanta on 1022 01:23:51,439 --> 01:24:00,800 the Georgia election overturn now being broadcast live via at RSB network x clamation point 1023 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,479 unquote. At six pm, after the arian concluded, Trump tweeted again promoting 1024 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,399 his false claims of mass election fraud. He said, quote, we now 1025 01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:14,119 have far more votes than needed to flip Georgia in the presidential race. Massive 1026 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:19,439 voter frauds in all caps took place. Thank you to the Georgia Legislature for 1027 01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:29,960 today's revealing meeting unquote. Tweets pressuring top state officials. Let's see here four 1028 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,000 of The tweets outlined in the indictment relate to Trump's pressure campaign on Georgia Governor 1029 01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:39,199 Brian Kemp and Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Ravensburger, both of whom refused to 1030 01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:45,079 declare Trump the winner of the Peach state. Trump claimed in a December third 1031 01:24:45,079 --> 01:24:50,000 tweet, quote, people in Georgia got caught cold bringing in massive numbers of 1032 01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:56,600 ballots and putting them in voting machines. Great job at Brian Kemp GA, 1033 01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,279 by the way, Trump twetd that with no evidence, of course. Three 1034 01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:09,439 days later, Kemp and Lieutenant Governor Jeff Duncan issued another individual who has stood 1035 01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:14,840 firm and stoic and did not bend to the pressure, issued a joint statement 1036 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:19,239 saying it would be unconstitutional for state lawmakers to name pro Trump electors in light 1037 01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:25,039 of Joe Biden's victory in the state. Trump tweeted that evening, quote, 1038 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:30,760 Gee, what a surprise. Has anyone informed the so called says he has 1039 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,399 no power to do anything. Governor at Brian Kemp GA and his puppet Lieutenant 1040 01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:43,800 Governor at Jeff Duncan ga that they could easily solve this mess and win signature 1041 01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:51,720 verification and call a special session. So easy unquote that's a problem. Actually, 1042 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,560 yeah, they actually probably could have. They just didn't realize it would 1043 01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,680 be so easy. It's so easy, so easy. Trump similarly called for 1044 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:06,479 his special session December fourteen, the day that sixteen pro Trump individuals allegedly met 1045 01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:14,039 in the state capitol and signed documents purporting to be Georgia's valid electors. By 1046 01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:16,680 the way, if you don't know they were not, they were lying. 1047 01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:24,600 That is fraud. Just so we're all clear, Trump wrote or tweeted, 1048 01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:30,399 quote, what a fool governor at Brian KEMPGA of Georgia is could have been 1049 01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,319 so easy, but now we have to do it the hard way. Demand 1050 01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:42,359 this clown call a special session and open up signature verification now, otherwise could 1051 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:47,399 be a bad day for two great senators. On January fifth, unquote, 1052 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:54,319 what does that mean? And willis acided to tweet? Trump said after his 1053 01:26:54,359 --> 01:26:59,479 infamous January second, twenty twenty one call with Raffinsburger, when he asked the 1054 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:05,520 Secretary of State to help find eleven seven hundred eighty votes, Trump tweeted the 1055 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:11,600 next day, quote I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger yesterday about Fulton 1056 01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:16,479 County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling or unable to answer questions 1057 01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:23,279 such as the ballots under table, scam, ballot destruction, out of state 1058 01:27:23,399 --> 01:27:29,279 voters, dead voters, and more. He has no clue unquote. Well 1059 01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:30,840 again, if you just make up a bunch of stuff and then ask somebody 1060 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:43,479 about it, they're not going to have much of a clue. The final 1061 01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:48,159 three Trump tweets listed in the indictment revolve around Trump's pressure campaign against his vice 1062 01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:53,039 president, Mike Pence. Another person who stood firm give him credit for that. 1063 01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:55,359 I have a lot of criticisms of Mike Pence, but I give him 1064 01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:58,560 credit for that. In the lead up to the Jan sixth Capitol riot, 1065 01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:02,479 the ninety eight page indictment and at length discusses Trump in his inner circle's alleged 1066 01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:08,399 scheme to overturn the election results by submitting false states I'm sorry, false slates 1067 01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:14,000 of electors, and leveraging Pence in his role presiding over the counting of the 1068 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:19,239 Electoral College votes as president of the Senate. Trump claimed in a Jan five 1069 01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:26,399 tweet quote, the vice president has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors unquote. 1070 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,479 Well, now that particular tweet is a bit ironic, is it not, 1071 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:35,239 because yeah, that's what Pence did. He did reject the fraudulently chosen 1072 01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:44,159 electors and went with the legal electors, as he is constitutionally obligated to do 1073 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,720 so. Trump actually got that one right. Yes, the vice president has 1074 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,920 the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors. You know what they say about a 1075 01:28:51,960 --> 01:29:00,359 blind dog. Let's see. The indictment also lists two tweets on JAM six 1076 01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:03,239 itself. In the early morning hours, Trump wrote, quote, if Vice 1077 01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:09,399 President at Mike Pence comes through for us, we will win the presidency. 1078 01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:15,279 Many states want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect and even fraudulent 1079 01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:20,880 numbers in the process not approved by their state legislatures, which it must be. 1080 01:29:21,359 --> 01:29:29,600 Might can send it back unquote. Just after eight am, when the 1081 01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,640 former president's supporters were gathering on the Ellipse for a rally at which Trump and 1082 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,119 multiple other defendants in the indictment spoke, Trump tweeted again, quote states want 1083 01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:45,039 to correct their votes, which they now know we're based on it. It's 1084 01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:49,760 amazing that someone can just lie so easily, like it just flows out of 1085 01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,359 him. Sorry, I just it is astonishing when you really think about it. 1086 01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,359 Then, of course there's millions of people who can't see it, who 1087 01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:03,760 just don't realize that's what he's doing. That's even more astonishing. Quote. 1088 01:30:04,039 --> 01:30:10,079 States want to correct their votes, which they now know we're based on irregularities 1089 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:16,439 and fraud plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Penns has to 1090 01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,960 do is send them back to the States and we win. Do it, 1091 01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:27,960 Mike, this is a time for extreme courage unquote. So there you go. 1092 01:30:28,039 --> 01:30:32,880 So those are the tweets that are featured in the indictment. Let's see. 1093 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,920 Well, we have a few minutes left. If anyone wants to get 1094 01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,680 in with a quick call, you can. The studio line is open six 1095 01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:46,760 zo three two five zero six seven six two five six o seven there is 1096 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:54,439 by the way, so there are recently Uh. John Appod says, can 1097 01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:59,159 we talk about Dusty Russell? I have no idea who that is. Miriam 1098 01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:01,720 Bannish says, he is blatantly in public and expects everyone to just go along. 1099 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,000 Well, that's the thing, people do, go along. That's that's 1100 01:31:04,039 --> 01:31:10,239 part of the problem. Oh, our friend Ron is on the line. 1101 01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:14,560 High Ron, Hey, real fast met Yes, great show. This is 1102 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,640 a kind of show that I like. I could sit here and listen to 1103 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:21,640 this stuff all day. So hopefully if you don't have things planned for tomorrow, 1104 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,319 we can go pot tool on this. Yeah. Well tomorrow, of 1105 01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:30,319 course we'll be joined in the first hour by Eric Pilcher, my favorite conservative, 1106 01:31:30,359 --> 01:31:32,319 and we're gonna talk about many things, no doubt, but I'm sure 1107 01:31:32,359 --> 01:31:35,720 this will be one of them. All Right, you've done my attention. 1108 01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,439 Excellent, Thanks, Ron, appreciate it. Bybye, all right. Always 1109 01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,119 nice to hear from our friend Ron. And if you'd like to get in 1110 01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:45,640 with a quick call six o three two five six seven six three two five 1111 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:51,079 six seven, Vox has a story up the constitutional case of Donald Trump is 1112 01:31:51,079 --> 01:31:59,119 already banned from mean president. Two conservative legal scholars have made a strong fourteenth 1113 01:31:59,159 --> 01:32:03,000 Amendment argument, but the politics of their theory are very, very dicey. 1114 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:06,439 Let's look at we'll look at a little bit of this just briefly, and 1115 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,119 then we'll have to pick up the rest of it later. But again, 1116 01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:15,880 these are a couple of conservative and actually I think a third conservative scholar has 1117 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,560 come out. So you know, anyone who wants to say, oh, 1118 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:23,439 you know, it's it's just left the left to saint Trump can't be president. 1119 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,600 These are conservative scholars who actually care about the constitution making this case. 1120 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,239 Whether you buy it or not, let's just be clear on where this is 1121 01:32:30,279 --> 01:32:32,760 coming from. It says, here are two conservative legal scholars, members of 1122 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:40,640 the Federalist Society and Good Standing have just published an audacious argument that Donald Trump 1123 01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:45,640 is constitutionally prohibited from running for president and that state election officials have not only 1124 01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,640 the authority, but the legal obligation to prevent his name from appearing on the 1125 01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:56,319 ballot. The legal paper, authored by University of Chicago professor William Baud and 1126 01:32:56,359 --> 01:33:02,640 the University of Saint Thomas professor Michael Stokes Pauls and centers on section three of 1127 01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:09,319 the Fourteenth Amendment, a provision that limits people from returning to public office if 1128 01:33:09,319 --> 01:33:16,560 they have since quote engaged in insurrection or rebellion, or given aid or comfort 1129 01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:24,399 unquote to those who have. Boden Paulson argue that this clearly covers Trump's behavior 1130 01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:29,800 between November twenty two, I'm sorry November twenty twenty and January twenty twenty one. 1131 01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:38,239 Now let's just again, we're very yeah, we're running out of time, 1132 01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,720 but just quickly, and we'll come back to this on another day tomorrow 1133 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:50,520 if we can get to it. Engaged in insurrection or rebellion. If if 1134 01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:56,399 you blame just on a surface level, if you blame Trump for jan six, 1135 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:03,880 then you would accept the argument that he engaged, that he encouraged, 1136 01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,439 you know, which personally, I do that to happen, That he caused 1137 01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,359 that daen not just by you know, people talk about the speech on the 1138 01:34:11,399 --> 01:34:15,399 ellipse, you know, I would say more everything that led up to it. 1139 01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,640 By putting this in people's heads that the election was stolen and then they 1140 01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,640 believe him. And I do believe, by the way, some people will 1141 01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:28,520 disagree with me, I believe the term insurrection absolutely appropriate to use. Insurrection. 1142 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:32,119 The Webster's definition is a violent uprising against a government or authority. So 1143 01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:36,199 how that doesn't count as an insurrection, I don't know. Somebody can try 1144 01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:40,000 to explain it to me, but that's an insurrection as far as I'm concerned. 1145 01:34:40,319 --> 01:34:44,039 As far as the given aid or comfort, well, when Trump made 1146 01:34:44,079 --> 01:34:46,079 that video, remember what was it two and a half hours in, Trump 1147 01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:48,920 finally got in front of a camera and made a video telling everybody to go 1148 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:53,640 home. But what did he also say in the video? He said, 1149 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:57,520 I love you. You're very special. I completely understand why you're upset. 1150 01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,279 You have a right to be upset. There was a lot of lot of 1151 01:35:00,279 --> 01:35:03,199 comfort, I think given in that video. You know, I need you 1152 01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:05,119 to go home. But but I'm with you. I love you, I 1153 01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:10,560 agree with you, you know. And of course since then now he talks 1154 01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:14,720 about how he's going to if he's elected president, he's going to start pardoning 1155 01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:24,039 the rioters and so forth. The legal paper authored by University of Chicago professor 1156 01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:28,640 Oh no, I'm sorry, I read that already, Okay, bod and 1157 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,199 Paulson, right, and then we'll have to stop on this. In the 1158 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:38,079 paper, quote, the most politically explosive application of Section three to the events 1159 01:35:38,079 --> 01:35:43,720 of January six is, at the same time the most straightforward. Former President 1160 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:49,039 Donald J. Trump is constitutionally disqualified from again being president or holding any other 1161 01:35:49,159 --> 01:35:56,000 covered office because of his role in the attempted overthrow of the twenty twenty election 1162 01:35:56,319 --> 01:36:03,359 and the events leading up to the January sixth attack. Unquote. They also 1163 01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:10,600 write no officials should shrink from these I'll let me back up a little bit, 1164 01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,640 so the consequences of this argument are astonishing. On bod and Paulson's read, 1165 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,159 Section three is self executing, meaning it does not require an Act of 1166 01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:23,760 Congress to enter force, and binds those public officials in the position to act 1167 01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:28,960 on its dictates. Basically, if a single official anywhere in the US electoral 1168 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,600 system finds their constitutional analysis compelling, bod and Paulson urge them to act upon 1169 01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:39,399 it. They write, quote, no official should shrink from these duties. 1170 01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,840 It would be wrong. Indeed, arguably itself a breach of one constitute, 1171 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:49,199 one's constitutional oath of office to abandon one's responsibilities of faithful interpretation, application, 1172 01:36:49,279 --> 01:36:57,359 and enforcement of section three unquote. And by the way, if you violated 1173 01:36:57,399 --> 01:37:03,720 your oath of office, that should be that should be a disqualifier, you 1174 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:09,359 know, on you, if you well, what I'm getting at is, 1175 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:15,079 and again we're running out of time. But the president swear as an oath 1176 01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:23,279 to defend, defend the constitution, defend the country from all enemies, foreign 1177 01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:32,560 and domestic. And I've always made the argument that if our nation's capital is 1178 01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:39,199 under attack, and again it wasn't a foreign attack, it was a domestic 1179 01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:43,000 attack. But if our nation's capital is under attack, and let's say, 1180 01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:46,760 for example, you decide to sit in your dining room off of the Oval 1181 01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,000 office and watch it on television for two and a half hours before doing something 1182 01:37:50,039 --> 01:37:57,119 to stop it, at one point even encouraging it by after the capital had 1183 01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:01,960 already been breached, tweeting something negative about Mike Pence, who was indirect danger. 1184 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,479 That seems like a violation of an oath of office, does it not. 1185 01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:10,640 I mean, if you, if you swear, if you take an 1186 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:16,279 oath to protect your country, which would include your capital from all enemies foreign 1187 01:38:16,359 --> 01:38:21,399 end domestic, and then when the capital is under attack you choose to do 1188 01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:27,720 nothing for two and a half hours, you know that's you've violated your oath. 1189 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,479 All right, on that note, we have to go. Eric Pilcher 1190 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:38,399 will be with us tomorrow. And thank you again to Bob Henley for joining 1191 01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:42,359 us in the first hour today and everyone who called, everybody in the Facebook 1192 01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,399 live chat, we gotta go. There was somebody else who was trying to 1193 01:38:45,399 --> 01:38:47,800 call earlier but they didn't get through. But then they give up too easily. 1194 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,439 But he might like this song. So we'll end with this. We 1195 01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,640 won't get here the whole thing, but a little bit of Jerry and the 1196 01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,479 scumbags. I'm the man. I do love this song. And if you 1197 01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,520 miss any part of today, so it will be up in just a little 1198 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,439 bit at you have an h radio dot org at my website Matt Connerton dot 1199 01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,159 com. 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