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Radio. Welcome to Open Minds Radio
with Alejandro Roja. Open Minds Radio is

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the UFO news authority, presenting evidence
and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon.

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Here's your host, Alejandro Roja.
Hello and welcome to Open Minds Radio.

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This is Alejandro Rojas. Just like
the Gentleman has said, and you

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are listening to Open Minds Radio.
And it's very exciting today because we have

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mister Chuck Sukowski. Chuck. You
might have seen a story that we wrote

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about Chuck recently, and in fact
it was also kind of around Colorado media.

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So if you're from Colorado, you
probably saw this on the news that

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Chuck, unfortunately was fired as a
deputy sheriff because he was doing paranormal investigation.

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So that is not cool whatsoever.
So we're gonna have Chuck on the

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show to talk about that. And
also one of the things he was getting

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so much media attention for lately was
that he was doing cattle mutilation research and

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we'll talk about some of his latest
findings there because there has been a lot

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of mutilations going on in the last
couple of years in Colorado, so we

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will be talking about that. So
that's going to be really exciting. Chuck's

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always a lot of fun, so
stay tuned. Also, subscribers have been

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asking about the magazine that's in Root
if you haven't gotten your latest April May

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issue yet, and it's a pretty
exciting one. It's got lots of cool

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stories in it. In fact,
we had Robert Hastings who along with Robert

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Salis, put together a press conference
in September where they had some military officers

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come to talk about UFOs at nuclear
facilities. And Robert Hastings wrote a book

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called UFO Nukes and he is the
pro, the expert at that subject,

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so very cool. We've had him
on the show before, We've had Solace

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on the show. We've also had
Colonel Halt on the show who was also

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part of that. But that's what
the article on the magazine is all about.

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So this is going to be a
real fun one. We've got what

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UFOs in New York because there were
some signings out there. Story on that

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that we wrote. Jason has something
on Chinese lanterns because that's been a big

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story and I think we told you
all we went and launched them, and

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I believe because I haven't heard anything
that in my little town, Americopa,

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that we didn't light anything on fire, that they were safe launches that came

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back to Earth unlit and safely.
Hopefully nobody got hurt, No squirrel got

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caught in it. Oh, that'd
be awful. So some cool stories that

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we have in there. What else
Gary McKinnon, I wrote about Gary McKinnon.

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What did Antonio do for this one? I can't remember. I should

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write down the stories. I can't
tell everybody everything anyway, though, because

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they got to get the magazine and
check it out themselves, because it's also

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at the bookstore any minute now.
Well. And also that magazine was put

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together a little while ago, and
we're already another magazine into the process,

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so it's hard to remember everything that
was in the True that issue because now

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we're working on our special Roswell edition
and that's going to be coming out in

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June. So and this is really
cool. Some of you are like,

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oh, man, I know all
about Roswell. Well wait till you see

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this magazine. Because we've got Don
Schmidt writing about tons of witnesses talking about

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the actual creature creatures that we're seeing. I mean, the evidence which is

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quite substantial that there was a being
that was captured there. We've got information

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about the best movie ever on Roswell
by Paul Davids, who we've had on

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the show and the guy who discovered
the whole thing. You might not know

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that, Stanton Friedman, and he
talks about how that all started and how

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he discovered it and the initial research
and how all that happened and more so,

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lots of cool stuff on that coming
soon. Coming even sooner is the

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news, because of course you notice
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a daily basis, the headlines from
around the world on the UFO subject,

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So go check that out and you'll
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can't wait for that, well then
let's just get Jason on the air here

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and have him tell us about the
news. Jason, Hello, Hi Ela

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Andre, how are you today?
Doing all right? Doing all right?

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Excellent? Before I get into the
news, I want to ask you.

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Did you happen to see the super
moon? I did? Did you?

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Yeah? Were you blown away?
Yeah? It reminded me of you know,

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if there's some other there's people who
probably watched Dragon Ball Z and when

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Goku goes super saying he like lights
up and before he does a kami hami

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ha, and that it was like
that super and you're staring at you blankly.

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I wasn't that impressed. I gotta
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here, and I've seen the moon
much larger. Well, I think we

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got screwed here. Well, we've
talked about that before, and I think

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this is one of those incredible things
in astronomy that when the moon is lower

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on the horizon, how it looks
really big. It's not closer right.

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In fact, the moon was at
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this weekend. But nobody knows why. Scientists can still not explain why the

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moon looks so big at the horizon
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lot the scientists can't explain. That's
true, and that is one of them.

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Yep. But let's get into the
news. Greetings everyone, this is

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your Open Minds newsbrief for Monday,
March twenty first, twenty eleven. The

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Origins Project at Arizona State University is
presenting a science and culture festival at which

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famed Simpson's care director Stephen Hawking,
who's also an actual, real life astrophysicist,

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will be delivering a lecture. The
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a celebration of the interface between science, the humanities, and the fine arts.

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The festival will also feature the Dear
Aliens Contest award ceremony. We talked

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about this Dear Aliens Contest a couple
weeks ago. This is a contest that

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was launched by Hawkings's daughter, Lucy, and she asked students to submit answers

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to the following question, if you
had to speak for humanity, what would

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you say? Submissions will be reviewed
by a panel of alien experts made up

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of writers, scientists, and scholars, and the winner will be announced with

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the award ceremony, which is open
to the public. Contest winners will have

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their message broadcast into space. At
the event, they're actually going to bounce

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it off the moon. Wow.
The Origins Project Science and Culture Festival takes

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place at various locations on a Issues
Tempe campus from April seventh through April eleventh,

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And from what I read at the
Dear Aliens Contest Award ceremony, Issue

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Professor Paul Davies will also be there. And we've talked about Paul Davies before

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on the show, and he's actually
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It's a wonderful guys. I thought
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he's a fascinating person to listen to, and he's got a couple of books

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out and he talks a lot about
looking for extraterrestrial life here on Earth in

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the form of bacteria and things like
that. Yeah, in your nose,

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Yeah, he's the in the nose
alien guy, right, really is what

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he's kind of gotten in the news
for a lot, because he thinks there's

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these secondary biospheres, that alien life
may be here right now, and that

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and the microbial type of way,
and that there are these biospheres, are

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these tracts of alien life on the
planet, just as these little bacteria and

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stuff that, such as the bacteria
that live in our nose. Why he

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had to bring up our nose in
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I think a lot of people avoid
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People want don't want to go looking
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mean when you go to the doctor, he kind of explores that area.

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But well, and there was that
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of cruising around and I'm uncomfortable talking
about the nose. Let's not talk about

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the nose anymore. People don't like
the nose. I don't like the nose.

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I don't think doctors like the nose. I don't shove that thing up

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your nose. They're just pretending.
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They're not actually looking, because who
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Kind of gross. That's gross.
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the essay contest that Ashu was holding
another school we talk about that. It

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seems like almost every week now another
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subject of a student creative writing project. Teachers at Weak Primary School in Winchester,

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England created a scenario last week where
an alien egg UFO crashed on school

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grounds. Students investigated the staged crash
site, complete with alien blood and flime,

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with the help of local police,
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and a ufologist from the University of
Warwick. Following their investigations, students were

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encouraged to write news reports for newspapers
and television news. This is fascinating again.

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I think all of these teachers must
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or conference or something and all got
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They're all using UFOs for their writings. And it helps now that you mentioned

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because it's in the UK that they've
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and which is kind of strange.
And it's the UK. But the movie

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Paul was made by British blokes right, who went through the UK schooling system

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and they created this great I saw
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very funny movie about an alien and
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an alien. They're starting them young
over there. Yeah, there's some conspiracy

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there. There has to be something, but it is fascinating that. I

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mean, we talk about this every
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thing or similar things, you know, staging a crash and some of the

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schools and even had theater students dress
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students and the students are required to
interact and sort of show them around.

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And well, I could see how
the kids would get energized and get into

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it, and it would be imaginative. They would have a chance to be

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creative and have fun, you know
at school when typically school's not fun.

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I didn't think so you, poor
soul. I wanted to jump and laugh

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and dance and sing and I couldn't. I get in trouble was discouraged at

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your school. Yeah that's too bad. We had to sit there and be

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boring. All I did was jump
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do here as well. You probably
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parochial school, public school. It's
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Yeah. A humanoid robot is the
newest member of the International Space Station's

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crew. The Space Shuttle Discovery delivered
Robonaut, also known as R two weeks

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ago, but astronauts have just unpacked
the new crew member on Tuesday. R

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two is intended to be begin serving
as a helper to the astronauts aboard the

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space station in the coming decade.
His initial testing begins in May, but

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for now he is simply attached to
a pedestal waiting for his legs to arrive,

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which will be delivered to the International
Space Station next year. Poor guy

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has no legs for a year.
For a year, he's just got to

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kind of hang out and say,
look at me. That. The topic

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of robots and artificial life was also
recently mentioned by CBS News. The article

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pointed out that some scientists believe that
artificial life is most likely what would come

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off of spaceship if one landed on
Earth. Professor of Computer science that UCLA

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recently said if an extraterrestrial spaceship ever
lands on Earth. I bet you that

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it's ninety nine point nine nine nine
percent likely that what exists, what exiss

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the ship will be synthetic in nature. We talked about that last week from

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that article, but a lot of
talk about robots in space, and a

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lot of the arguments you could say
they make sense. You know, robots

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handle space better than we do,
and with long distances to be traveled,

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robots can just be shut off and
turned on when they need to when they

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actually get there a thousand years later. And do you know what's funny.

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Here's the scenario I see. As
we create I want to we send it

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into space, it takes us a
thousand years to get to Alpha Centauri.

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By the time it gets there,
we'll have created some spaceship that can go

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through a wormhole where then humans are
going. And so we'll go to Alpha

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Centauri two hundred and fifty years after
we launch your robots, and the robots

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won't get there till we've already collated
the area and made friends with the aliens.

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And it'll be a big joke.
It'll thousand years later, the robots

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will show up and every look at
the robots, we s right, It'll

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be pretty funny because they'll probably be
programmed to get there and then report and

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send back a signal when they find
something, so they'll get there and go

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human human and everybody else. But
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I think it's only a small gap, small period of time. That is,

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civilization is not capable enough to have
have spaceflight where they're actually taking beings

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as opposed to to robots. Don't. It's probably not like these guys think,

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you know, it mostly robots out
there. Well, you could talk

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about it all day, but you
know, I don't don't know if the

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problem is our capability of being in
space. There seems to be something else

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going on. We could easily,
it seems, build a base on the

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moon and go from there, but
we haven't done that yet. Yeah.

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True, there's something fishy going on. Yeah, so I don't know.

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But robots for now seem to be
what they're pushing. And clearly these people

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have not watched Terminator. Well,
if that makes them more open, and

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some of them are more open to
the idea that UFOs are robots, So

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if that makes scientists feel more comfortable
exploring the UFO arenas, then so be

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it. Whatever they need to do
to convince themselves it's okay to look into

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it. But you know what,
I have bad news. You shouldn't worry

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about ever meeting an alien. Really, no extraterrestrials. You're not going to

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meet one. I know what The
story you're talking about, Oh yeah,

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was a story recently published on Time
Magazine's website. It took a very cynical

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view towards the search for extraterrestrial life. The piece was called Relax, you

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don't need to worry about meeting et
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if exobiologists have learned anything, it's
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kids will probably never hear the slightest
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very negative piece and sort of jumped
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poo pooed the whole thought of extraterrestrial
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I think that to me, and
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naive or unscientific. It seems very
barbaric science to assume to make the types

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of assumptions they make in here,
that even though the planet the one planet

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we first discovered and knew had any
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is abundant with life, even though
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have that right sequence of mixture of
stuff. They even admitted in this story

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that Mars probably had life at one
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that's the next closest planet. And
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because they were bringing up the fact
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to discover our new life forms.
We discovered life that is able to survive

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in harsh environments like insight, volcanoes
and things like that. Well, and

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then the concepts of that the distances
other places are so far away, there's

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no way we'll ever be able to
travel there and here again. You know,

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I'm sure that's what people thought.
It is what people thought about crossing

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the ocean or even being able to
fly right. Oh, it's absolutely impossible.

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mean it will continue being that way. It doesn't mean it's that way for

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other life forms. It doesn't mean
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they're not already here, doesn't mean
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Nine hundred and ninety nine years ago
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It would be an interesting psychological study
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people who believe that so strongly and
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wouldn't make good theoretical scientists, because
really, if you look at science,

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nothing's impossible. Everything has been able
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sought to do, many, many, many things that many others have said

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it as impossible. Nothing. It
seems unwise to think that anything is necessarily

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impossible. We just haven't figured it
out yet, right all. This a

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just an interesting story. It's not
necessarily new news, but it's fascinating at

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least I think it's fascinating. But
the UK's Daily Mail recently ran a story

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about some of Saturn's strange moons.
These small moons have puzzled scientists because of

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their odd shape, making them look
more like flying saucers than moons. The

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Cassini spacecraft has captured images of Atlas
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They were likely formed at the same
time as Saturn's rings. Scientists think these

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oddly shaped moons were once spinning discs, and forces caused the edges of the

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structure to flatten out and a bulge
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pictures of these things look really strange. They look just like flying saucers.

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Yeah, there are some weird looking
moons. It's crazy how many, you

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know, when you think about these
other planets, just how many moons they

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have. Yeah, and then here
Earth, we've got our lonely little moon.

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Compared to those moons, We've got
a pretty good looking moon. I

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like our moon a lot. It's
pretty cool now. And again, this

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is not new news. It's making
headlines today if we're an update, But

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rockstar Sammy Hagar admits he has been
contacted by extraterrestrials on multiple occasions. This

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say isn't breaking news. It's these
discussed alien encounters in the past. However,

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the subject is currently making headlines resulting
from an interview with Hagar conducted by

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mtvhive dot com. The interview briefly
explores the topic of UFOs after Hagar revealed

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that a passage about alien dreams in
his new book read My Uncensored Life in

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Rock is based on a true encounter. While the mention of UFOs is brief

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in his new book. Hagar revealed
in the interview, my opinions about the

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UFO stuff well, I could write
a whole book just devoted to that.

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I love it, man, I'm
into it deep. Well, they asked

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I saw one angle of one of
the stories was that they asked, you

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know, about his UFO dreams,
and he was like, no, that

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weren't dreams. That was real,
that really happened. I talked to Aliens.

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And it caught the interviewer off guards. Yeah, so what I was

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just kidding? You're seriously And he's
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to Aliens. Man. And of
course, yeah, we've talked about this

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on the show before because we wrote
a story on it. But he's not

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afraid to just say, oh,
yeah, I talked to Aliens, just

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like him and Ilium's enough they are
in the news. Not ever afraid to

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say, yeah, I met Aliens
and he wanted to talk a lot more

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about it than this this particular book. But the person who's writing the book

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with didn't say, no, people
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no, man, people don't care
about that stuff. Yeah, but a

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lot of people do. And it's
funny because he's getting a lot of press

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for his book off of this story, and the headlines haven't been talking about

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Jobe Hagar has a new book.
It's saying Sammy Hagar believes in UFOs.

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Well, that must be why that
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to pr because certainly people are interested
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when it comes to a rock star, you know, and like he says,

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it's his inspiration comes from this,
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people love Sammy Hagar and they want
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says it's aliens, and you know, I'm sure his fans are cool with

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that. Mostly he's certainly cool with
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Back to our topic of space exploration, NASA recently tested a spacesuit that

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they hope will one day be used
during missions to Mars. The NDX one

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spacesuit, designed by Argentine aerospace engineer
Pablo de Leon, was tested for a

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week at an Argentine base in Antarctica. The location was chosen because the varying

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environmental elements and because Antarctica is one
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making it perfect for sample collection.
The one hundred thousand dollars. Suit is

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made of more than three hundred and
fifty materials, including honeycomb, kevlar,

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and carbon fibers. One hundred thousand
dollars. One hundred thousand dollars. That's

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cheap for a NASSA. It's like
an Harmoni suit. Usually everything cosh you

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know, million dollars. Yeah,
one hundred thousand is is chump change for

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them. It's kind of exciting too, because you know, again like we've

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been talking about how exciting even with
a commercial spaceflight that we're getting to that

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age of now we need to build
a Mars suit because we're starting to get

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ready to go to Mars. I
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you know, twenty twenty Mars.
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the suit is straight out of like
nineteen fifties. It looks like comic books

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of sci fi. Oh yeah,
red, with these tubes around it and

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in a big like I don't know, like underwater helmets. I yeah,

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yeah, I mean they'll probably make
it cool and get some Italian designers to

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come in and give some advice on
where they nip and tuck and make it

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look a little snazzier, but I
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The guys who resigned the suit said
that if you're slightly cluster phobic, you're

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not going to like this suit because
it makes you feel really closed in and

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you've got that helmet on. Yeah, it's very confining, and then you've

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got your intercom system all patched all
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of closed in. Well, if
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they've got another five years or so
they prepare make it a little friendlier for

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the astronauts. Well, hopefully they
pick up the pace. I mean twenty

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twenty, that's that's not too far
away, but yeah, they can do

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a little faster. You know,
this year, I've been thinking a lot

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about how I used to think,
Wow, twenty twelve, how old am

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I going to be? And how
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twenty twelve now, so and the
older you get. Supposedly, what I

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hear from the old guys is that
time speeds up, so seven years might

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just pass like this. I was
thinking that earlier this week because when I

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initially read this story, and I
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they waiting so long? But that's
not very far away. Yeah, and

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it may be maybe you know,
they'll be like, well, we've discovered

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there's life on Mars. There's some
creatures up there. Will you guys come

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with us, meaning you know me, you maybe they'll bring Maureen to to

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go, so you'll be the guys
to communicate with the aliens because you guys

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know more about this stuff, and
we'll get to have our own little poll

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experience where we'll get out there and
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Didn' already ask you? No,
I got my email? Oh man,

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no fair, Sorry, Bud,
I guess that was secret. But these

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are exciting times. It's always exciting, Alejandro. Think of the kid,

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I mean, think of being a
ten year old kid right now we're in.

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By the time you're twenty, we're
going to Mars. I'm thinking about

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myself when I'm fifty. Screw the
kids. Exciting. Yeah, I'll be

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a kid glued to my window and
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Yeah. Oh yeah, I'm ready. Awesome. Well that is it for

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the news, Alejandro. Be sure
to check out these stories at more Openlindes

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dot tv, your source for UFO
related news. I'm Jason McClelland you're a

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UFO correspondent and you've been briefed back
to you, mister Alejandro. Thank you,

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Jason. Another job well done.
And now you guys are all briefed

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on the news and you're up to
speed on the latest and the greatest,

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so you can go to the watercooler
tomorrow and be mister cool guy. Hey,

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you guys, hear about the latest
on the UFOs. Pretty cool stuff,

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and then everybody's gonna think you're the
best, especially the uh Sammy Hagar

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fans, because there's a lot of
them go to the water cooler and say,

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hey, you guys like rock You
guys like some Sammy Hagar, Well,

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he was inspired by aliens. I
don't know why you have to use

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this kind of weird accent I'm using, but it'll be a lot of fun

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to go to work and do that. I want to tell you about a

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couple other stories that we have on
the website. This is really cool and

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it makes me proud to work with
the colleagues that I do. With the

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Wendell Stevens archives that we acquired,
of course, Wendell Stevens being a pilot

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in the air Force who has been
in the UFO business for decades since the

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beginning, even part he put in
some blue book signings when he was in

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the Air Force, and so he's
collected a lot of stuff. One of

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the things that he's collected are the
APRO bulletins. And this is an Aerial

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Phenomenal Research organization. It was created
here in Arizona, and it was one

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of the largest organizations early on and
made up of scientists for the most part

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and devoted researchers. NICAP and some
of these other more conservative organizations which were

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largely made up of military people really
were into the nuts and bolts, and

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APRO was the first organization that actually
opened up their purview to alien abduction or

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Aarlien encounters or contactees and this sort
of thing. And they were mostly you

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know, they did have some pretty
impressive people as part of their organization,

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and they had some very impressive bulletins
their journals that they would put out on

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a regular basis. Welluckily, Wendell
Stevens had most of those in his collection

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here. So what we've done is
scan those and put those online. We

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have somewhere about from nineteen fifty five
to nineteen seventy, not all of them,

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but most of them, and then
we have some from nineteen seventy to

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nine, nineteen eighty that we're going
to be putting up here soon too as

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we scan them. Jason actually has
done most of scanning and created the page

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to make it look really nice,
so he's done a good job there.

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Antonio wrote the story so you can
understand what the AFRO bulletins were in the

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background and the history behind that,
and that is all up in our website.

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You can go to the resources tab
and find UFO files and you'll be

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able to find those there. The
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and also the Colonel Corso document is
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So this is really exciting because these
bulletins are pretty incredible. They've been invaluable

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for us for our research for the
magazine and other stories that we write,

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because a lot of the original investigative
work on some of the most important cases

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over the last few decades you can
find in these documents, such as the

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Travis Walton case or some other famous
crash cases or land cases, and it's

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very well researched and investigated, so
it's very excited. I'm very excited that

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we do have these up here.
I know if I was just if I

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wasn't associated with Open Minds and you
know, an independent investigator or with mof

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ON like I was before, I
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to have access to these APRO bulletins. I was very excited when I found

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they were hearing and it's great to
go through them. So I implore you

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to go check those out because you're
going to be fascinated by what you read

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there and very impressed by the diligent
work done by these investigators in the past

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and these APRO bulletins. So it's
very cool. We're going to get more

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up there soon. Also, we
do have a UFO case files revealed that

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is number twelve that's up. Michael
Schratt of course has gone through different I

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witness UFO account and then what the
person's saw, made a three D rendering

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and then put that in a background
similar to where the person had seen it,

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so you can get a good idea
and illustration on what that person might

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have seen. So we've got another
one of those stories up too, so

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check it out. Always check out
our website because we're putting new stuff up

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there all the time, and it
is a treasure trove for people who are

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looking for information. There's one guy
out there too, looking for information,

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and he's he works so hard at
it and he's gotten so much attention for

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it lately that he got fired over
it. And that is my good buddy,

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Chuck Zukowski. Chuck, are you
there? Oh? Angel am I

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here? It sounds like it all
right? How are you doing? Good?

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Good clothes? Everybody to populous regularly. So so you saw Paul yesterday

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too. I did see Paul yesterday. I did. That was a funny,

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funny movie. I would, uh
not that I would get any musicuals

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from it, but yeah I would. I would recommend, uh, just

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00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.680
for a righthearted movie, go and
check it out. It was really interesting

405
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.480
about this all handle was, uh, you know, they showed some of

406
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.480
my little talking grounds, like you
know a few years ago when I still

407
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:36.400
up in California, I hired a
guide and met him. I met her

408
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.359
at the Little Alien n at Rachel, Nevada, and we hiked the top

409
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:44.000
of the typic of the pe Corps. I could uh up the zoom you

410
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.240
know, areas that you went off
at a distance, and so you know,

411
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.599
the movie kind of showed the way
they man and showed the Rachel area

412
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:55.039
and the extraterrestial highway and the blackmail
boxes is not painted black, and it

413
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.960
was kind of cool, you know, if you got a couple of supposedly

414
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.599
geeks set of traveling looking all this
stuff, I'm like, I'm kind of

415
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.039
hiding my eyes. Oh, I
guess I'm one of those geeks. I'm

416
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.359
rather afraid to be one of those
geeks because really they didn't have a lot

417
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.240
of UFO stuff in it, like
you're talking about. They had that the

418
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:20.160
Rachel and and stuff, but it's
really kind of a sci fi geek fest,

419
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.240
which I know you're a bit of
a sci fi geek too, because

420
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.599
I've been to sci fi conferences with
you. Oh yeah, matter of fact

421
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.440
that you know, the movie started
off of Comic Con and San Diego.

422
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:36.039
When I lived in California, I
used to volunteer working security at comic Con,

423
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:37.440
so it was a lot of fun. Oh really, I didn't know

424
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:44.240
that. Well, there they go. How cool? And that's a that

425
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:50.240
thing has gotten so ridiculously popular that
you know, all the movie releases are

426
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.920
at Comic Con. I mean it's
like one of the biggest conferences in the

427
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.000
world. Now, Oh absolutely.
I don't know if you ever saw the

428
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.759
movie BOOKERU Bonds Eye, Yeah,
old favorites right now, I have a

429
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.480
million head in my office. Hole, I have one of many heads and

430
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.079
he's uh learning a team Bonds that
I headband and I picked up. That's

431
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:16.199
uh. That comic Con cool when
they were introducing the movie Yarnevielle. Yeah,

432
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.519
I still have artistac I should say
artifacts though, I'll get the artects

433
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.280
now because that don't all Yeah,
they probably do have to be dested on.

434
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.400
Yeah, along with along with some
of the people that are up there

435
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.039
too. I did. Yeah,
So I guess just to start, I

436
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.840
had mentioned a lot about or I
had mentioned something about how you've been getting

437
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.159
a lot of attention in the media
lately, and it seems like that's kind

438
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:51.679
of what led up to the Sheriff's
Department's decision here. But even though your

439
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:58.280
website is UFO dot dot com and
obviously you're you're a jovial person, the

440
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:01.039
media attention you've got has been pretty
serious. It seems like most of the

441
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:07.000
stories I've read where they've covered,
you know, your counter mutilation investigations or

442
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.480
some of the other investigations you've done. They've treated you pretty well and taken

443
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.559
your work seriously. Oh absolutely,
and that's really kind of cool about it.

444
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.079
And you know when someone they talked
to me to go, well,

445
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.719
you've got a wes I called the
UFO nuts, and I have to explain

446
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:27.119
to him that, you know,
the whole basis of the main the UIFO

447
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.760
nuts comes back in the day when
you know, I first started doing this

448
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:35.199
and people would, you know,
they would contradict what I was doing and

449
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.440
calling me a nut. And so
I decided instead of getting frustrated with you

450
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:42.920
know that tag, I went ahead
and uh, you know, put it

451
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.960
all my life and played and then
got Shirley thereafter, you know, built

452
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:51.159
the website unful nut dot home and
I kind of have I kind of have

453
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:58.519
fun with it now. And basically
also it's it's an acronym uful, not

454
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:05.880
unconventional flying just non human and identified
technologies, so and actually means something too.

455
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.519
Imagine that did it start off as
an acronym or did you make that

456
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.239
up later? I don't make anything
up, you know that now, No,

457
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:22.000
I'm creative. Uh. When I
first yeah, what happened was the

458
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.280
uphone that started to get so much
at tension that uh just one not just

459
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.480
looking at them, you know what
that looks like it could mean this,

460
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.000
And then I just kind of came
up that and really, in reality it

461
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.639
kind of does touched on on what
uphone that really needs, you know,

462
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:45.840
non human identifile technologies. If you
look at the UFO standpoint now, I

463
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:52.440
asked for the animal retulations a matter
of fact, and this is this is

464
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.719
the first So this is a you
know, this is the counts. There

465
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.519
was open mind that do me five? No, I just I'm just kidding

466
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.360
Renize. Yeah, I mean I
don't let it said ala handle, but

467
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.719
I bought that part out so I
didn't want to get you in trouble.

468
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.400
What happened is exactly what you said. You know. The last few years

469
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.920
I've been it's been a little serious. I've been getting a lot of serious

470
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:21.320
coverage. The uh, the people
visiting the website, very very very intelligent

471
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:28.480
comments, very I mean, I'm
so wow happy with the amount of people

472
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.440
visiting the website and then emailing me
and a shout out to not more than

473
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:37.039
in true. The Bribons who who
you know, who you know, helped

474
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:43.719
me redesign the website to make it
uh you know a little more whishl I

475
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:49.159
say, uh, except yeah,
it's okay, you can stay cooler.

476
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:57.159
O. The Prislla is listening high
Prisilla yeah the other day. Okay,

477
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.440
Hiera, I know her too.
Yeah. But and Trina have done an

478
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:06.039
incredible job with the website. I
think it looks so cool, and they've

479
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:12.280
made some really neat videos for you
lately. Yeah. I heard that,

480
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.000
you know, while they were all
with you little Congress you were you were

481
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.519
you're going to try and steal them
from me and have them do something for

482
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.760
you. But for that yeah,
well you weren't there. You weren't there,

483
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:28.599
so that was my chance. No, yeah, yeah, unfortunately,

484
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.559
I know I missed a phenomenal confidence
and uh, you know, I'll tell

485
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:37.760
you what all my ephold at work. I was kind of keeping up with

486
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.559
the with the updates that people were
posting on it, and then watching the

487
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:46.440
Crystopher Brian videos that he was betting
out on YouTube. So no, it's

488
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.039
not like being they're not even not
even close. And that's really sad that

489
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.639
I kind of missed that one,
and I apologize to you for Yeah,

490
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.320
you had other things to do,
but I know to wash my hair that

491
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:07.119
that weekend. Yeah, because you've
got this long, lustrious hair. That's

492
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.039
true. So, and what's kind
of interesting is that we did have Chris

493
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.599
O'Brien, who is a researcher back
kind of from our neck of the woods

494
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.320
back in Colorado, because he was
one of the original researchers of the San

495
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:30.599
Luis Valley. But which is where
or near in some cases where these mutilations

496
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:37.679
were occurring that you have been investigating. Well, absolutely no, Saanllel's Valley

497
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:43.880
is a very sacred area has been
you know years before you know Europeans migrated

498
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.800
to this part of North America,
I should say, or even this part

499
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.719
of the world. You know,
the Native Americans have been going there for

500
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:57.440
hundreds of years. You know.
I just talked to pursue this about it

501
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:02.480
over the weekends and uh, just
it's just amazing the history of that area

502
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.719
and what's been going on and Hawaii, the Native Americans senture to that area.

503
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.480
It's almost like it's almost a second
to to Chocolate Canyon, although it

504
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:17.880
doesn't have you know, the structures
that Chocolate Canyon has. There are unique

505
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:23.480
areas within the Sandlot's valleys that attracted
the medics in the Four Corners region to

506
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:30.119
go there and to uh basically for
spiritual gaping. M Panilla vel. I

507
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.960
can't remember is she in New Mexico
or is she in the valley? She's

508
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:39.000
she's in New Mexico. Yeah,
she's just she's just inside of evolve the

509
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:43.800
Cooky. Okay, that's right,
though I can't remember if she lived in

510
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:49.280
the valley or not for for a
minute there. Well that that she's very

511
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.039
you know, very knowledgeable that whole
area, and uh, you know she's

512
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:59.480
she's one of my uh uh you
know gafs that uh uh you know that

513
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:05.960
I r T contact when I have
a question about uh you know, uh

514
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.360
Native American president that area. And
then also you know on my website I

515
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:17.119
reposted the Roswell Rock circle. Uh
and uh you remember that when we went

516
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:22.559
out to decide where where Robert Ridge
is found of the rot I was more

517
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.760
concerned about, you know, a
Native American presidence in that area because of

518
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.519
some of the artifacts were being founsands. The Priscilla wolffoft there to make sure

519
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:35.159
that we uh, we were doing
things that would be disrespectful for the Native

520
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.320
Americans. So, I mean there's
there's certain things that are investigated. You

521
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:42.639
have to think about when you know
you're going into an area where artifacts are

522
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.519
being taken out. First off,
obviously you know bolm you know issues,

523
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.360
you know whether or not it's uh, you know it's a property of the

524
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.400
Mexico. And then the other issues
basically give it the property of a Native

525
00:41:53.400 --> 00:42:00.079
American tribe that you know the reside
h you know resided are resided in that

526
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:07.039
area, you know years and years
ago. So it's you know, anyway,

527
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.239
you have to you have to think
about all the different areas that you

528
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.039
need to cover. And then also
you have to think about the areas soon

529
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.679
that will help you make a sceptic
proof and the bunk proof when you're doing

530
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:24.480
retop of investigation. So anyhow,
yep, now I want to We'll talk

531
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.480
about the Roswell Rock Circle a little
more in a minute, see if you

532
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.679
have some updates. But I wanted
to get back onto the mutilations and get

533
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:45.000
back to what there was a particular
case that the Sheriff's Department referred to where

534
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:52.280
they said you disagreed with their results. And that was a recent horse mutilation?

535
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:57.280
Is that correct? Yeah? Absolutely, that was the Rush horse mutilation.

536
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.119
That's true on August. Yeah,
were actually the horses were found on

537
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.480
August eleventh of last year. Yeah, so you can you fill us in

538
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:10.039
on this case, Oh sure,
sure. Basically two horses were found mulated

539
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.280
in August, and then there was
actually two surviving animost one horse and one

540
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:21.639
dog that was found with unknown marks
on their body, not just random marks,

541
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:25.519
the marks that you know, interesting
enough, like you know, the

542
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.440
markets done each one of the legs
and in a very distinctive mark on the

543
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.800
nose of the horse, I mean
something that you could live they well,

544
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.599
you know that was a scar.
I mean, these are something the marks,

545
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:39.880
especially with the horse, that was
so obvious that there was there that

546
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.719
was very estivay type of thing.
And then what is thing interesting about this

547
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:52.880
was two days before one of the
ranchers of the rants wife or her pushing

548
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:59.079
sound almost like helicopter blades, uh
through the daytime in the afternoon, and

549
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.639
she looked up and you live out
here in Colorado. If anybody else you

550
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.280
know who hadn't been out here in
Colorado? One thing about Colorado is we

551
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.360
don't have about three hundred and thirty
days of clear skies. You know,

552
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.880
we get about you know, we
get a few days of thunder bending every

553
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:20.199
everything kind of clears of knife and
and you can pretty much guarantee you're gonna

554
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.719
have at least three hundred days of
nice not nice with the clear house out

555
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.400
here, and so the sky work
clear in the August Time train which she

556
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.280
was looking up and couldn't seen helicopters. Interesting thing about different types of relations

557
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:37.159
we could touch up more but later
is the rancher's perception of who run it,

558
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:44.039
hacker Sex. But the bottom road
on this particular case was, you

559
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:50.280
know, where the mutilation occurred.
It made the local media. I shot

560
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.159
down there and h we'll be able
to see the animal still while they were

561
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.760
while they were there, and took
uh, you know, my team out

562
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.440
there with the United Treina and the
UH. And then they put together oh

563
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.559
actually I should say they put together
a really nice video on the website about

564
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:12.840
it. But you know, it
was picked up by the media and everywhere.

565
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.760
I mean, I was getting emails
from you know, England to make

566
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.559
a recall where you know, Canada, I mean all over the place.

567
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.760
And so Fox really was in Denver
one of your story on it, and

568
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:29.239
talked to the rancher's w Glenda,
and said they want to come down to

569
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.719
interview her. And so she contacted
me and she says, I've never done

570
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:37.159
so fortunately, come down and meet
with me and be there with me when

571
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.559
it's you know, a Heidi reported
for the Desert. Fox comes down and

572
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.960
interviews me. I said, no, sure, of course, so that's

573
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.880
the time off of work. And
I went down there and she gets out

574
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:55.119
of the interviewing too, and she
basically said, you know, law enforcement

575
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.960
in general, you know there's issues. Well, I mean, how can

576
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.920
these cases haven't been solved since I
mentioned since the seven that are in Colorado?

577
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:09.559
And my response with law enforcement in
general basically, isn't prepared or is

578
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:15.000
this experience enough to these to these
type of investigations. Now, I've been

579
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:22.400
in law enforcement for eight years and
I know that that there's certain deputies that

580
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:30.840
take classes on, you know,
on on cases where you know animals have

581
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.679
been have been killed, so that
she tells whether or not you know the

582
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:43.480
animal was killed by uh uh by
humans? Are naturalists? Right? The

583
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:47.039
animals? Is this training focus more
on looking for foul play. I mean,

584
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:53.719
they're not looking for unknown fact,
they're looking exactly exactly, and I

585
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.239
kind of know a little bit of
the inside. I talked to the deputies

586
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:01.920
who actually have taken these classes,
and basically they're just afford me taught to

587
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:09.559
human intervention that surrounds an you know, an unknown or surprised depth of an

588
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.960
animal, and then they do that. It's basically you know, cool to

589
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.440
the ad to animals or something similar
to that, which makes it a criminal

590
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:23.079
act. And so I said,
uh, this was a you know,

591
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.079
this was not a from my experience
and from what I've you know, researched

592
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:31.639
and read in the past. The
evidence that I saw, the evidence that

593
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:38.920
I didn't see pretty much pointed towards
an unknown predator or a or basically a

594
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:45.840
mutilation case. And uh, the
reporter from Fox News, after she had

595
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.920
US news, she went and talked
to the PR person for the Sheriff's department,

596
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.480
and PR person said that it was
a predator or a not a known

597
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:58.559
creditor, but it was just a
predator and kind of a calm in occurrence.

598
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.320
And I don't know that at a
time, but when it aired,

599
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.719
I basically contradictive charity department, although
I made her contradicted him by name.

600
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.039
I just said, well, of
course, in general, I'm not that

601
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.719
stupid. I'm not gonna say,
you know, Passtund charity department is absolutely

602
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.880
wrong on what they said, because
I didn't even know that she was gonna

603
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.239
go over her interview. Mike just
said, law enforcement in general, you

604
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:27.400
know that you've been looking on some
investigations. We don't. We basically don't

605
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.559
accuse people individually or point fingers and
anything like that, which I think it

606
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:36.920
as general as we can, just
because you know the title of the investigation

607
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.000
it is. Well, I think
a good point you made was that the

608
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:47.039
owner of the animals was not satisfied
with that response, which is why she

609
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:52.159
was still looking into other alternatives.
Well, absolutely, that's why that's the

610
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:58.679
whole purpose behind uh investigators. I
just going out on me thinks if you

611
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:04.480
know you have law enforcements in and
the law enforcements is basically telling the rancher

612
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.320
who's been ranching all their lives that, oh, by the way, they

613
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.519
don't know, they don't know what
really what they're talking about when it comes

614
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:16.039
to the death of their animal.
You know, and it's it's really kind

615
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:20.000
of sad too, because, you
know, a rancher like let's say,

616
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.719
you know, and the offensive uh
you know who lost four casts within you

617
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.960
know, three athlete period and he's
a sperienced generation cattle rancher. He still

618
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.519
lives in the house. He was
born in Okay, so his father man,

619
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.159
his grandfather rancher. This guy knows
the gas. And when you have

620
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.079
ranchers like that that say, you
know what, I don't know what killed

621
00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.280
my animals. And then when they
don't, you know, we're not satisfied

622
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:52.360
with local law enforcement accession of or
you know, uh, hypothesis of what

623
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.800
kill the animal, then obviously they
have to seek out and what they do

624
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.519
to seek out people like us.
And then we go in there and based

625
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:05.960
on previous research and other you know, destinations that we've done, we kind

626
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.840
of look for the proverbial evidence that
I can't be found. And that's exactly

627
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:15.039
what we're looking for. Granted,
you know, there's the crystal ryons and

628
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.400
the limbo and how that they've done
more than their share of of uh you

629
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.639
know, mutilation restigations, and I
applaud them for it, and they really

630
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:28.880
you know uh catched, you know, installed a direction that we can all

631
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.519
go into. And they had to
make a good evidence, but they better

632
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:38.960
attract the case. And the reason
for that is there's that evidence, and

633
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:44.280
there's that's going to directly related to
uh, some things that we'll be able

634
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.280
to find. And so when when
destinated, like me, when I go

635
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.920
in there, I'm looking, you
know, not only out of the box,

636
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:53.679
and I'm looking. I hate to
pay it off the planet not saying

637
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.400
that it really owns it. I'm
saying you've got to look really really far

638
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.880
out. You really got to look
for some thing that you don't know what

639
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.760
you're looking for, what you'll know
where to find it? Yeah, kind

640
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.400
of in other words, keeping an
open mind or looking at all the possibilities.

641
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.119
But like you said, you said, you know, no one's come

642
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.840
up with the answer, which is
what these ranchers are looking for. They

643
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:22.599
I mean, when you talk to
a rancher, a rancher's not I haven't

644
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.559
found stubborn that. No, this
has got to be alien to know.

645
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:30.039
They want to know what it is
so they could either kill it or get

646
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.199
them in the cops to if it's
a human, to get them to stop

647
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.800
doing it. I mean, if
it's an animal, they want to know

648
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.280
what animal and what kind of animal, because I'm going to keep this animal

649
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.440
from killing my my animals, even
if I got to kill it, or

650
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.840
if it's a human, I want
I'm throwing in jail, or I want

651
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:50.199
to be compensated. Absolutely absolutely,
And there's always a fear that know,

652
00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:52.760
of an unknown predator. Now for
someone to come out and I'm not going

653
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:57.199
to point finger that. You know, if the Sheriff's department or any other

654
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.840
law enforcement agency that you know with
there a sessions on what happens. But

655
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:06.960
basically it sold pulls out and said
I just want to use the bake someone

656
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:12.559
about it as well. A mountain
line kill and then yet you know,

657
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.480
people like you need We just don't
interview the ranchers. We also interview the

658
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.480
neighbors. We talked to people that
out. Have you seen them out?

659
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.159
I've never seen a mountain line in
this area. You know, doesn't need

660
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.440
that one can't show up. Well, of course there's maybe signs of mountain

661
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.400
line the predator and it's going to
you could be a stockholder's going to be

662
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.719
mark. There's going to be all
kinds of evidence that a big predator.

663
00:52:35.239 --> 00:52:37.719
And then we also, you know, have taken on the animal. There's

664
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:42.400
also the experine to the ranchers.
I mean, can the Mountain Line take

665
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.079
down a one thousand pound horse,
you know, eleven hundred pound cow?

666
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.519
I guess they could have they Have
you ever seen that in the passes there?

667
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.760
Well, no, you never seen
that. We know all the other

668
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:59.320
ranchers in the area, you know, one animal is unique in the research

669
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:06.280
that you've done in these mutilations recently, as you've gotten a lot of uh

670
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:13.559
kind of expert help or you have
outreach to uh other law enforcement in some

671
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:23.760
cases and other agencies who have such
as the Colorado the cattle guy all the

672
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:29.159
cattle all right, right, but
the Brand Inspector the right. But I

673
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.800
know there's other experts like the Brand
Inspector and some other authorities. I think

674
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.360
in some of those cases you even
had police officers who were like, wow,

675
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.639
I don't know either, let alone
in abundance of many ranchers from the

676
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:44.760
area saying wow, I don't know
what that was. Well, and that's

677
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:51.760
and here's a disconnect. The disconnect
is generally law enforcement at the site,

678
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:57.760
and these guys are very intelligent and
when they see something that they can't understand,

679
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.679
they may or may not ride it
in you know, ride it in

680
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.320
their supplement, to ride it up
the cation port or something. They kind

681
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.719
of keep it to themselves. And
then very rarely when you'll ever see a

682
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.119
law enforcement agency come out and say, we don't a little and we need

683
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:15.119
some help with some UFOL guy you
know, down the streets to help figure

684
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.599
this up. So they never want
to drop their you know, the shorter

685
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.400
hand basically, and that's because you
know, I mean a lot of the

686
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:29.719
law enforcements has to keep this you
know, uh persona of of being able

687
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.440
to be in control even though I
mean, our air Force has been saying

688
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:37.840
for the past since forty seven and
they've got a complete control of the airside

689
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.199
on the side that we we obviously
all got differently. But yet they'll tell

690
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.880
us every day that they're in complete
control. I e. Same thing with

691
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:50.679
law enforcement. But when we start
talking to police officers and I talked to

692
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:53.599
you, I've talked to your huge
obviously you know, operating plane pols and

693
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:59.719
investigations including death to the soon told
me their own personal stories of seeing things

694
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:04.320
and having encounters that they would never
tell anybody else just because of the ridicuel

695
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.639
factor of the legal factor. But
one an official spurrement comes out from from

696
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.960
law enforcement, you doesn't really expect
anything less than you know, they just

697
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.639
tag it. And the reason for
that is there's really not they don't really

698
00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:24.320
have the experience or the knowledge to
venture outside. You know, the course

699
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:32.039
that they that they've been taught,
and law enforcement is very restrictive and the

700
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:37.039
policy be continuing your follows and you
will not you know, sway away from

701
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.320
when you tautch you if you do, you're on your own basically, and

702
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:46.480
that happens all the time where you
know, if it's if someone violates a

703
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:52.920
policy of law enforcement, you know, uh, the law enforcement will not

704
00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:55.039
be up for them. They have
to get their own you know, turning.

705
00:55:55.079 --> 00:56:00.880
I mean you see in the regions
all the time, so get it

706
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:05.519
into so basically, uh, if
you have persons for law enforcement, were

707
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:09.400
he's here too. Now we do
know this that we're looking at this particular

708
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:15.239
chase. There was at a touchtown
shirts department and there I can't tell you

709
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.679
at this time, but if it
just comes out of almost like a crunture

710
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:22.800
getting themselves and I agree with them, but we're we're put of venturing into

711
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.679
that right now, and we'll see
whether or not depends out and in fact

712
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:30.199
that is case the good. I'll
come back on your show and service with

713
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.519
everybody. Yeah, that would be
kind of cool if they come out and

714
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.559
say we were wrong and you were
right to be like a TV show,

715
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:39.440
like a comic book TV show or
something, and they give you the key

716
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:46.199
to the city and a tick er
tick parade because you figure no, no,

717
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.639
And I don't think happen to get
an ever beat something like that.

718
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.960
I don't think anybody. I don't
think they would ever say if they were

719
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:59.119
wrong and you know I was right, h what I would expect, you

720
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:01.519
know, them to say, we
either listen the shit or we didn't get

721
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.480
everything out that right or blah blah
blah blah blah. You know, there's

722
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:08.280
the very rare way you ever get
lawenforce to say, you know weld you

723
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:14.079
know it gerally doesn't happen. But
anyway, there's always the first time.

724
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.000
Yeah, I'm gonna write them a
letter and say, hey, you guys

725
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:22.199
need to make your wrong and have
a trade check and here you go right

726
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:28.039
down ahead, but you perfect hey
there, you know, I mean we

727
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:31.639
could uh put a date in history
to do it, but not Roswalks.

728
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:35.719
You know, I'll follow me down
there out in Colorado at the time,

729
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.880
so so many to play. Just
because of the disagreement with you know that

730
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:46.360
came out with the Fox News,
they started looking into they didn't you know,

731
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:52.280
they claim that it violated longer policies, even though we haven't found a

732
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.840
policy directed it's that not violated.
And then also, like you're talking with

733
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:02.159
the media, we can't on my
website because you know, it's put together

734
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:07.159
so well and there's so much information
in there now. And we even point

735
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:14.679
over minds alphone that when media is
coming in and they took me some stuff

736
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:19.239
out of it, and when they
write an article on something they see on

737
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:23.119
my website, they go intough my
bio and my bio for a couple of

738
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:28.079
years has said that I was reserved
deputy because I was proud of it,

739
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.719
and so they would just blocked that
into article, even though it also says,

740
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:36.000
you know equ metals, I engineered
in doing that for twenty five years

741
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:38.679
and and I have my education on
the antology and all trust. They never

742
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:45.159
pout of the BACKLAS put me reserve
deputy step out of So that was another

743
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:49.519
part of the termination letter was the
fact that, uh, you know,

744
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:54.280
media would refer to me as resilved
even though they never referred to me as

745
00:58:54.360 --> 00:59:00.599
actually doing the investigation. Uh you
know, uh, training, excectity or

746
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.960
representing it. It's just that that
was just part of my title or just

747
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.480
part of me, right, you
know. And hell, you know,

748
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:12.119
I think on there too said I
was a hollywriter, but they never said

749
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:17.840
fit that either. So that was
pretty much the bottom line. Now,

750
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:23.159
I will tell you this something that
I hadn't told anybody before. But I'll

751
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:29.440
tell you guys, a couple of
years before, you know, back in

752
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:31.880
two I guess a couple of years
before. We be about two thousand and

753
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:37.199
eight year or so, he's eleven. But we're just into a moment.

754
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:43.159
So you know, I got called
in to the uh you know, to

755
00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:46.679
the officer. Had to go downtown, and the commander brought me in along

756
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:52.400
with my lieutenant and said, we're
not concerned about you doing uniphone investigations or

757
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:57.480
not, and you're real concerned about
you having that on your website, on

758
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.079
your bio that your reserve tipity,
I said, okay, and can the

759
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:07.199
commanders said, well, I want
to root it. And I said,

760
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:09.519
do you want me to remove it? Or am I violating a policy?

761
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:15.320
Or am I uh you know,
or there the Sarance Department want me to

762
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.679
remove it? Tell me, I
said, Now, if one person in

763
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:23.320
this department has a problem with me
being the unfol paranobal investigator, you know,

764
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.039
to that, that's you know.
But if it's a policy I'm violating,

765
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:31.440
or if I get a letter from
the department stating that I have to

766
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:36.079
remove this from my website, they
won't have to to. But I'm not

767
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.599
gonna do it because I have one
or two people out here that disagree with

768
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:42.639
what I'm doing, and we do
have that issue. I mean, there's

769
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.360
all kinds of uh uh, you
know, people's background for how they are

770
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.360
brought up, you know, religious. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna point

771
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:52.639
fingers that if people of that,
you know, the religious officers. But

772
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.280
there are you know, there are
people I haven't come across with, you

773
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:59.920
know, the four thousand years uh
you know Earth series, another of the

774
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.679
you know, it's really hard to
communicate with them. But I'm not saying

775
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:09.039
that with the case. But if
there's an ory the visual trying to interimiate

776
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.719
me to take it off my left
But basically I was just saying, I'm

777
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.000
kind of it, you know,
it's part of me. But if if

778
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.800
the Sheriff's department wants me to remove
it, I will be more than have

779
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:21.239
to relieve it. Just write it
down paper, givest you know, I'll

780
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.920
remove it that night. And that
was either that I've never heard about it

781
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:30.000
before, you know, a since
then right right after that, now there's

782
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:34.280
some rumers going around, you know, you know, in the reserve area.

783
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.679
Let's say, well, he was
ordered to take it off. I

784
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:39.800
wasn't ordered to take it off,
you know, I was than't ordered to

785
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:45.119
remove it from my style and person
to disagree. Yeah, and even if

786
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:50.159
that was the case that you were, I mean, it doesn't seem right

787
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.760
to order you to do that.
That doesn't have anything to do with what

788
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:59.440
they're doing. Like you said,
you're not portraying yourself as these are official

789
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:05.079
oh Passo County investigations, but it's
part of who you are is at your

790
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:14.039
reserve deputy officer. And the scary
part of that is really it implies then

791
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:21.440
that no or at least what their
feeling is that nobody working for them should

792
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:27.519
do paranormal investigations and that doesn't seem
right that they should be able to dictate

793
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:31.559
that. And it's kind of scary
because a lot of UFO investigators are police

794
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:37.559
officers that are still police officers.
Some of them are outward like ken Storch.

795
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:39.239
We know ken Storch, you know, who's a Roora police officer,

796
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:44.079
and he's not afraid to talk about
being a police officer, and the UFO

797
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.960
investigator and his cop buddies kind of
tease him about it and stuff like that.

798
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:52.719
But still, you know, people
who are law enforcement obviously have a

799
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:58.519
set of skills and training they can
bring to this investigation that's very helpful.

800
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:05.079
And to try to say that at
because we're afraid of the association, that

801
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.360
these people shouldn't be doing that,
I mean that's pretty bad. I think

802
01:03:07.400 --> 01:03:13.239
that's pretty uh, infringing on people's
rights. Well a matter of fact,

803
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:20.320
during this conversation with said commander,
I I didn't into you know uh and

804
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.119
basically said, you know, there
are you know officers out there, and

805
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.159
that's basically said, you know,
what if it's if it's wrong person's opinion.

806
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.239
I'm not going to do that,
but I say, if it's the

807
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.320
opinion of the department, I will
absolutely I will take it off. And

808
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.800
you know the arm all hands and
you know me for a few years that

809
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:40.360
you know I don't push too easy
when filming comes to me and tries to,

810
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:45.960
you know, intimidate me to say
I pushed back. And that's one

811
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:49.480
of my faults. I geas sometimes
people call a post when people call it

812
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.119
a ton, but I think that's
where you you have to have to have

813
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:58.280
a personality where you know, if
you're not willing to push, you're not

814
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:02.760
You're not gonna get You got to
be a little stubborn. You have to

815
01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:05.360
be a little stubborn, and you
have to be uh, you know,

816
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:10.800
a little straightforward sometimes too. I
mean if you want, if you want

817
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:15.079
to tackle certain types of investigations,
you have to have that a type personality

818
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:17.599
where you're not afraid to go into
a dark alley to figure out what's going

819
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:21.239
on. Uh. And that's what
we are now. You've been on at

820
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:26.800
leads two major investigations with me,
and at any time was I ring of

821
01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.400
badge? Did I have a shriff
shirt on? Was I represent any planet?

822
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:35.719
You know, you always have your
ufon that T shirt time with my

823
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.760
bad No, I never had my
badge on it. But yeah, so

824
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:42.800
I mean I was. I was
telling of listen, you know you can

825
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.239
They'll never find anywhere on any West
Tide anywhere a picture of the Heath in

826
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:51.280
uniform or badge ring, a badge
or shirt that's a shared department doing an

827
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:57.480
investigation, the Colonel Ltttle relationship,
No letter because not out there. You

828
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.199
just can't find it. All I
get there it's someone super closed on a

829
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.320
photoshop or something. But you know
there's not one out there of me because

830
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.840
I've never done it. The issue
is is, like you said, you

831
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:14.360
know, there's certain people that for
whatever purpose or for whatever reason, and

832
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.639
I'll tell you what. And as
bad as that sounds, that's still not

833
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:20.679
as bad as some of the comments
I'm getting from people say well, and

834
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:26.280
it's sad that that I get comments, because I really don't think it's that

835
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:29.280
way that a lot of people think
that way that you know, the conspiracy

836
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:34.719
thing, which is another way of
law enforcements, you know, keeping this

837
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:40.199
quiet and not getting it released.
Because the bottom line and you read my

838
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:45.760
terminations letters on the website basically said
okay, you know, they don't even

839
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:48.559
want me to investigate anything. You
know, path of counting, which is

840
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:53.480
twenty two of the square miles that
they're investigating. And it's a little fine

841
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.239
line with that, and you don't
expect, okay, if they're doing this

842
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:00.400
investigation on cattle mutilation, that I
can't touch it. When you call nine

843
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:10.760
one one and an officer arrives on
scene and if he if dispatch you know,

844
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:14.679
gives him a case report and you
add it down and the case report

845
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:18.719
has been created on that ninety one
one call, that'fter investigation, right,

846
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.679
So, which happens a lot with
UFO research. I mean you well,

847
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:28.239
that's just that every every officer at
least definitely that I know, and I

848
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.480
beginning of the years, you got
a nine one call and if you have

849
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.519
to look further into it, a
case numbers, a time to it.

850
01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:41.000
As soon as the case number,
that's just an investigation. So figure of

851
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:45.920
all that couldn't touch which is ludicrous. And I think, yeah, there's

852
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:51.119
no way whether there's very value crazy
in a trade quare while ago that's just

853
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:57.559
that's just ludacris. Yeah, another
part about this is it's not so bad

854
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:01.000
for you, because funny thing is
which makes it worse on their part is

855
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:05.280
that this isn't your main job.
You're an electrical engineer. You design microchips.

856
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:10.199
That's where you make your money.
So this is kind of, uh

857
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:15.079
something you do as a volunteer to
help out to help the police the sheriff's

858
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:20.639
department when they're busy. So because
there's they're understaffed a lot of times,

859
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:26.079
so you're helping them and then they
they don't want to take your help anymore

860
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.920
because of your UFO investigations. But
at least you can be stubborn for the

861
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:35.000
poor guy out there who makes his
living being a deputy. That person can't

862
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:39.880
just say, you know, no
thanks. He's got to say, okay,

863
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:45.000
I'm stopping investigating and I'm just gonna
do what my bosses say. I

864
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.079
mean, unless they want to lose
their job. Yeah, that's absolutely right.

865
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.199
So there, you know, you
can get talking. And I have

866
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:55.280
been in those types of situations because
I know, a matter of fact,

867
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:59.599
I used to take my dast get
paid this week, you know. And

868
01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:04.440
you're also right because there are people
involved in law enforcement that that can't do

869
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:10.000
that because not only will they not
get you know, you know they're pay

870
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:14.000
that we're losing a pension to them
everything if I mean, there's a lot

871
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:18.119
right on it. So there's so
what happened a lot of times is some

872
01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:23.880
law enforcement agencies, if they manage
the intimidation, you'll see this involved in

873
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.520
war in front of their department where
they'll see a lot of definite coming in

874
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.159
and now there are a lot of
police officers city office coming in out,

875
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:34.600
and you can jolly you can jointly
pick that. You know. All you

876
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:38.560
have to do is look at a
local lawforcement and the kind of feed into

877
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:42.319
the yields of how many how many
officers are, how many definities will getting

878
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.279
out of that place or if they're
not, then you know that Okay,

879
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.680
management styles are little different. It's
not any other company too, you know.

880
01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:57.199
M If a company wants to see
their employees, obviously they're going to

881
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.199
manage them a little bit differently.
In the company is a caroline, that's

882
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.479
fine, you know, and do
as I say, Or there's the door,

883
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.840
those are the ones where the door
is the revolving door, and how

884
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:12.960
you see going out in your employees
to live and anybody could pick their papist

885
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.199
force and and all you have to
do is just look at the artifics that

886
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:20.119
you local law enforcement agency and see
how many officers and devers have been leading

887
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:26.720
particular place in the past years and
years. And if you're not seeing anything

888
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.680
kind of know, oh, you
know, not low person agency in my

889
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.319
town, that's pretty cool. Obviously. You know they're not managing that,

890
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:38.279
you know, management by intimidation.
They're doing things a lither differently. It's

891
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:40.880
just something that's elected. Look at
now, I'm not saying that's the case

892
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:45.720
that big die, but that could
be the case. There are the fact

893
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:53.439
that you know, they just have
a problem with a beautiful nun. I'm

894
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:58.119
not the communic case too. Yeah. Yeah, I was just gonna say,

895
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.359
if I was to share a bad
We're proud have a UFO nut on

896
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:10.960
my team, you know. I
actually that's a sheriff's sound like that when

897
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.279
I'm the sheriff in these parts and
I'm proud to have a UFO that is

898
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.720
a deputy. Tell you what,
here's the whole ship there for you guys

899
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:24.159
out there. There's only one person
that can fire, the sheriff, and

900
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:28.439
the sheriff is the extra position.
What person do you think to fire the

901
01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:36.600
sheriff, the city manager, the
corner, the corner is the city manager.

902
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.840
We had a sheriff fire, I
think it, well, maybe I

903
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:45.359
think it was a sheriff. That's
weird. What are you talking about back

904
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:46.960
in the old days. Back in
the old days, the corner, the

905
01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:49.960
doctor Usley was the same guy just
because he was the guy with all the

906
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:55.359
education. And I'm not saying that
sheriff and I don't have any cage.

907
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.079
So that back in the leftern days, you know, the one person in

908
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.279
the town that had a fuller education
was generally the doctor, who also was

909
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:08.880
a corner. So the one guy
in town who's smoking a pipe instead of

910
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:14.159
chewing tobacco. So when they when
they needed to get rid of the sheriff,

911
01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.399
they would go to the one person
who had all the education, you

912
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.319
know, and that would be the
you know, that would be the doctor

913
01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:24.800
of the corner. And they gave
him the uh, you know, the

914
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:29.399
cast and the ability to be able
to remove the sheriff. And I think

915
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:35.359
believe we're not going to call out
of the case that your jokes the honest

916
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:41.199
to goodness truth, huh to be
honest, a little bit from beautiful that

917
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:54.039
I learned something. You've gotten a
bit of media coverage over this situation,

918
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:59.920
and some of the local media has
been very supportive of of you, right,

919
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:05.159
and then very critical of the Sheriff's
department decision, and and and one

920
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:10.159
of the reasons why and it's pretty
simple. You know, NBC here,

921
01:12:10.760 --> 01:12:16.199
Andy Combe and I took h be
calling out to uh the uh Francis relation.

922
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:19.640
Uh, we were going. We
were together the whole day, you

923
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.079
know, because it's you know,
yahouldn't call out face. You were San

924
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.880
Louelis Valley San Luis, you know, a good three hours away, so

925
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.079
you know, it's the whole day
I think to do these investigations, you

926
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:33.600
know, two and a half three
hours down there and another two three hours

927
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.760
to an investigation. So you know, we're just not talking a lot in

928
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:40.520
the park and you're down here to
get back by you you know, we're

929
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.319
talking a full day and you you
rolled on one of these. So you

930
01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.840
know that just because we had a
Denver on the other side of the Stay

931
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:50.920
of Colorado to get up even earlier
to get out and meet you in Manhattan,

932
01:12:51.119 --> 01:13:03.000
that's right. Hello, So yeah, you were kind of electric.

933
01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:05.640
Well, that happens to me right
down, and there's sometimes you know,

934
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:11.000
I get suppressed. But I have
an overwrite system that Met put in for

935
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:14.920
me on the website, so I
can overwrite all these uh these walking frequencies

936
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:19.359
as the local doing is putting in. Matt's impressive. He's created a pretty

937
01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:26.600
impressive website. But I don't think
he could do that. So so to

938
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.079
the bottom line is where we're going
with. You were talking about how the

939
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.399
media has been helpfully that you spent
the day with the NBC guy and yeah,

940
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:39.279
So what happened was is, uh, you know I posted determination on

941
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.000
my website. I really didn't no
other than a tog you about it.

942
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:46.119
I really didn't, you know,
putout the pressurely through and uh every down

943
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:50.119
and I get I get hit with
the local media and Andy you know,

944
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:53.640
saw it and called me on it. He said, you know what,

945
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:58.520
I'll tell you what I never a
news you've heard his deputy until the plane

946
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:04.439
crash out here, Oh you know
the laye from cor spreens and I worked

947
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:08.840
at eleven out of detail there all
the human kids and he was there in

948
01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:13.720
SA and when they're trying to load
an investigation on a plane crash, and

949
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.560
he wrote it later on to do
the report on and tell the uniform and

950
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:21.359
your top. Oh wow, so
you had spant the day doing this uh

951
01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:27.800
uh investigation with him or taking it
out on investigation. And he never knew

952
01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:30.920
that whole day that you were a
reserve deputy. Never knew. Never try

953
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:35.720
to sell me in uniform. And
so here was a person who explorence his

954
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:39.520
bulls. Yeah, you know,
I just I never knew you were.

955
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.239
I actually saw in unifor and I
was, you know, walked up to

956
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.560
me, so he knew me.
From his point of view. He said,

957
01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.159
for God's sake, if you were
telling you that you take telling media,

958
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:53.039
if you keep someone that a take
go through the whole day during the

959
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.399
you know, a settle relations investigations. So he kind of thought this the

960
01:14:56.439 --> 01:14:59.359
whole thing, with all this thing
he was, he decided to be based

961
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:03.680
on it. He that, uh, you're going to story and uh and

962
01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:08.239
he gotten me up to the you
know, to the studio. I went

963
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:12.359
to the agency studio here in tall
ot screens and we got ahead into the

964
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:17.119
interview. So it's interesting for for
you listen, if you whatever, it

965
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:23.279
doesn't matter what searches didn't like.
But if you search defy fired u f

966
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:30.039
FO all over the place, because
it really is, and if you have

967
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:31.880
my act made to it, then
you can actually get rid of a better

968
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.640
uh you know, finished the studio
website that I've been talking about it,

969
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:41.560
and so far I've got a lot
of takes a certain time. It's very

970
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:45.399
very positive. You aren't going to
get it some negative and that's okay.

971
01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:49.000
A matter of fact, we have
a comment section on the website and we

972
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:56.800
do allow negative comics to be posted. Uh, we'll don't allow us when

973
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.640
people start, you know, slandering
other people by name or other people.

974
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.239
Are the commonists sundering them or using
sale anguage the guys that we just you

975
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:10.239
know Rex but you know, intelligent
comments and then also telogion negative comments.

976
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:15.199
You know, it's welcome down our
website and we knew a bit most ninety

977
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.520
all roll over ninety ninety six percent
i've seen of all the really positive fucle

978
01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:26.159
negatives are and you've you've let these
guys all handle you know, of course

979
01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:29.159
they turned age, you know,
or you're looking for unfone you know they're

980
01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:32.640
built that sting, you know,
or and it doesn't matter those guys,

981
01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:40.000
you know, Cannand and it's not
really our jobs. Can did convinced the

982
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:43.119
guard God were just put the information
out there and let people, you know,

983
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:45.000
seek for themselves and make the you
know, their own decisions made on

984
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.439
the information we put out. But
some people are at the point where I

985
01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:54.079
had one guy that you got as
far as four lines the five lines on

986
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:59.119
on blogs and slammed me on that, and you were and you never finished

987
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:02.079
reading the blog because what you're calling
on all the other views read a little

988
01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:09.039
further and the contradicted exactly what he
said, but he didn't didn't about it

989
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:14.319
too. That's one of the things
that happens a lot. Often there are

990
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.840
people who will make comments before they
even read the story. They read the

991
01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:21.439
headline and then they make comments or
yeah, maybe they'll read a couple of

992
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:26.439
sentences and then they make comments and
they sound silly because they haven't read the

993
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:33.279
story, and unfortunately some journalists do. That reminds me of what Steve Obergh,

994
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:40.199
he writes for MSNBC, and he
wrote about Leslie Kane's recent book about

995
01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.880
UFOs, you know, pilots and
generals go on the record, and he

996
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:48.279
didn't read the book. He started
criticizing these cases that aren't even in the

997
01:17:48.399 --> 01:18:00.439
book. Well, I have a
guy that that will criticize. And then

998
01:18:00.880 --> 01:18:04.079
you kind of read what they're saying, and you read important. That's how

999
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:12.319
they read for about the book.
You know, Oh my gosh, I

1000
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:16.399
can't believe that so Adored be killing
me. But there's people out there,

1001
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.920
and that's okay. I don't you
know, we deal with them, and

1002
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:24.800
I know you dealt with them also, and that you can do. But

1003
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.600
it's just I guess if you put
the information at just what you guys do

1004
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:30.439
on your website and you know,
the radio shows and the Congress, you

1005
01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:34.319
put the information out there and they
allow the people you know who go to

1006
01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:38.279
the Westside as the conference with the
radio show, let them be of the

1007
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:42.439
decision. And then if they're interested
in it, like I was years and

1008
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:44.800
years ago, they didn't want to
pursue it. You know, I was

1009
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:46.880
seeing in an audience going gosh,
that would be cool to do that.

1010
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.680
I could do that. And that's
that's how it all started. And and

1011
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:56.199
it was based on I can't remember
who it was that I was listening to,

1012
01:18:56.840 --> 01:19:01.439
but obviously that person was was energetic
enough about what they were doing that

1013
01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:03.920
they gave me the motivation to look
at it. You know, go,

1014
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:08.720
wow, that's cool. I'd love
to do that. And that's what's exciting

1015
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.880
about this, especially when I get
the emails coming in like Wow, how

1016
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:14.359
can I help? What can I
do with you? I'm going I love

1017
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.720
of emails. Yeah, you know, because it's because there's some excitement in

1018
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:20.760
there. And when people talk about
disclosure and it's going to happen, and

1019
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:26.199
I know that because that's not going
to be responsible for the soldier. What's

1020
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.720
to be responsible for disclosure? You
meet the people out there listening to this

1021
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:34.239
show, reading your website, reading
the magazine. They're the ones that are

1022
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:42.119
going to house the tsunami wave that's
going to create disclosure. What's going to

1023
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.159
happen if thegether comes out and there's
no say that they'll be disclosure. It's

1024
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:48.640
always because of what we're doing.
It's going to push them to do it.

1025
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.359
So don't be sitting around waiting for
somebody in Washington. They make a

1026
01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.840
decision, okay, in sign for
disclosure of I'll have a lot of police.

1027
01:19:57.159 --> 01:19:59.399
Well, you know, it's up
to lot to push them to do

1028
01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.039
it. Yeah, so we get
the information out there if people make the

1029
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:06.920
decision on the road, you know. Yeah, Once I feel the same

1030
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:12.279
way. I mean, once it's
a foregone conclusion to the general public,

1031
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:15.199
then it's silly. It makes it
to a point where it's silly not to

1032
01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:23.720
then accept it for the especially for
politicians and people who are wanting the votes

1033
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:29.119
of those people who already have their
eyes open to the whole idea. You

1034
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:31.319
know, I was thinking too.
One of the things that I like about

1035
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:36.119
you getting a lot of press in
Colorado Springs and this NBC thing is that

1036
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:41.199
there's got to be a lot of
people. Some people on the show might

1037
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:47.079
not know the Colorado Springs is the
home of Air Force Space Command, and

1038
01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:54.159
there's a huge Air Force military present
in Colorado Springs. There's Noorad and Cheyenne

1039
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:59.720
Mountain and the whole eastern side or
the western side of town along the mountains

1040
01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:04.960
a military for miles, and then
you have a driver's secret Air Force base

1041
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:10.800
out there. So all of these
people have to be seeing the UFO net

1042
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:17.000
in your UFO and paranormal exploits,
And it's really funny sometimes, Uh,

1043
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:23.640
some people I talked to you or
part of the air Force or part of

1044
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:27.560
the army. And you're right,
because of the military triangle here between teever,

1045
01:21:28.199 --> 01:21:30.960
uh you know, Peterson, when
you have air force tality and you

1046
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:35.399
have fort you know, I mean
when you have for customs, right,

1047
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:40.800
so it's almost like a triangle space
that's in the middle, and I do

1048
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:44.880
you know, I'll be talking to
someone and find out that there you know,

1049
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.439
military matter of fact. You know, I was talking with a gentleman

1050
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:58.880
who picked up the information of being
terminated and he's a uh Vietnam vet.

1051
01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:01.720
The that's uh, you know,
that's has tightening to it. So we've

1052
01:22:01.760 --> 01:22:05.319
been talking eighty one years old.
It's to a week guy. And I

1053
01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:10.560
talked to him a couple of times
over the phone, and pretty cool,

1054
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:12.800
you know that. I've actually,
you know, I had a couple of

1055
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.439
getting Augusta that have contacted me.
Obviously it was probab of Korea and in

1056
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:24.439
Vietnam being maybe one. But they
have their stories and they'n't prayed to just

1057
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:29.079
talk to anybody about it, but
they feel very very comfortable talking to me,

1058
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.680
and I'm sure they're very comfortable talking
to you because we won't sit there

1059
01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:36.840
and ridicule them like the other people
have. You know, we we listen

1060
01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:42.119
to them and I don't know word
no, I'm just kidding. Well,

1061
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:45.000
we you know, we listen until
we understand. We understand, you know,

1062
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.920
what we're going through. We understand
the experience that you know, they

1063
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:53.479
went through. And then if there's
anything that you know we've read or researched

1064
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:57.520
or or actually tappened to us that
it is similar to what happened to them

1065
01:22:57.560 --> 01:23:00.159
and we could share that with them. Then you see that you hear that

1066
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:02.680
spark in their voice. It's over
the phone, and you say, sparks

1067
01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:06.239
in their eyes or that connection with
me, and they're going, wow,

1068
01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.520
you know it's okay to talk about
this. Uh, you know I had

1069
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:13.399
a real experience and now I can
talk to you about it or right to

1070
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:16.199
talk and sometimes you can actually open
them up whether we you know, they'll

1071
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.119
be more open to talk to other
people about it. That was to realize,

1072
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:23.720
hey, you know what, it's
something to mention this. You know,

1073
01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.640
we have that literature, we have
that giggle factors still going on,

1074
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:30.680
and then you know the ad coon
with NBC start coming out there and going

1075
01:23:30.760 --> 01:23:35.479
to the investigations. You know,
and and and if you have the opportunity

1076
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:40.680
to bringing someone, try to welcome
me with you and you can experience something

1077
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:45.000
you're seeing something. You know,
that's really a benefit for us because you

1078
01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.880
know, when they write about it, they write about it a positive way,

1079
01:23:48.000 --> 01:23:51.760
non negative way, where like you
said, some of the reported they

1080
01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:55.159
just kind of you know, they
won't read the book. They will,

1081
01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:58.960
you know, don't look forward,
and then they base the whole investigation.

1082
01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.720
I'll just in the little parts.
And those are the people that you know

1083
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:06.119
well only to me. Too much
you can do about people like that,

1084
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:11.239
you know, generally, that's that's
the culture writing that we're starving you more

1085
01:24:11.279 --> 01:24:15.760
and more of when new culture coming
out with you're really really interested in this,

1086
01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.000
Yeah, I think so about it. One of the cool things you

1087
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:24.279
did too on your story about the
termination was you talked about what great people

1088
01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:27.880
you had worked with in the Sheriff's
department and how you're going to miss some

1089
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:30.560
of those people. I mean,
in general, did you get along well

1090
01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:34.319
with all of the people you worked
with? Well? Other than that the

1091
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:41.600
matter, Yeah, you know what
pleasure you know, because I've been I've

1092
01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.720
been on so many uh you know, patrols, you know we were bigger

1093
01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:50.880
units and enough you were basically too
too then the units and uh, I've

1094
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:56.399
worked on details where I've I've helped
back up spotcast from actually you know,

1095
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.199
you know, paying the people that
swat it in your life there in the

1096
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:02.560
data that you're right in the action
and they're working with people now on my

1097
01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:05.439
website. I asked, really good
thing. You know, you're in that

1098
01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:09.640
all mindset that you know, they
don't take a bullet for the person to

1099
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:11.920
find you know, I mean that's
what they train you. You're in that

1100
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:15.119
mindset. And I know from the
people that I worked with they would do

1101
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:17.680
the same for me. They don't
work at you. That's a beautiful investigator

1102
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:20.720
that you would ask with a deputy
And we have a deputy had Son.

1103
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:27.640
This is what we're doing. I've
never worked with with the deputy that was

1104
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.720
negative at all, at least negatives
and what I was doing. And as

1105
01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:33.319
a matter of fact, you know
when we're out in the car and we

1106
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:38.520
pulled ten hour shifts and we're just
bullshitting, they're the ones that asked me

1107
01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.520
all these questions because we to them
or it may not be to them,

1108
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.199
and they may have some questions as
their own of some of their own experiences.

1109
01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.119
And I've heard a lot. I
mean, I've got a lot of

1110
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:54.760
things that unfortunately they can't really discuss, you know, other than to maybe

1111
01:25:54.760 --> 01:26:00.319
a person like me that I could
look at you. No one's not giving

1112
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:02.880
you wedgies and and whipping you at
their towels in the locker room or anything.

1113
01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:10.479
Now, there's very very respectful and
uh you know the guy that just

1114
01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:18.560
just got yeah and went into uh
any biggos all I'm with them, and

1115
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:21.960
it was it was just a part
you're looking for eight years. So if

1116
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:27.600
I'm going to go back and look
at anything positive, death, absolutely well

1117
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.119
one of the positive things. The
other one, I mean, the whole

1118
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:32.119
compans are doing. The new thing
is to give back to the community.

1119
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:38.520
Someone told me that because well,
even this not instant, still I'm still

1120
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:42.560
helping the community with doing you know, your phone to go through this division,

1121
01:26:42.640 --> 01:26:45.680
tell me relations stuff like that.
You know, really you're still kind

1122
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.279
of help in the community. I
trying to understand what's going on. I've

1123
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.840
always start Coen tell you know,
as you know, when I got younger

1124
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:56.760
kids to gabble in wrong forces because
you know, I wanted to give back

1125
01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.399
the community that way by volunturing.
You know, my time, I have

1126
01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:02.479
a chief case, so I don't
like to I don't like to have a

1127
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:09.479
lot of money volunteer time. Actually
for me, it's always more important.

1128
01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:13.199
But if you could take the time
to do something, to volunteer for something

1129
01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:15.920
in the community, it's a lot
of atending someone five you take to that

1130
01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:21.920
obviously if you don't have the time, and obviously locate against someone. Yeah,

1131
01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:27.319
well I used to. Yeah,
I know you're going to have more

1132
01:27:27.399 --> 01:27:32.079
time because you're busy, or a
father, you're you're an engineer, you're

1133
01:27:32.119 --> 01:27:36.720
a paranormal investigator. Of course,
I used to get frustrated when I'd want

1134
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:41.720
to go do an investigation or or
go to a lecture and you're like,

1135
01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:45.119
oh, I gotta go volunteer.
I gotta go work the prison or or

1136
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.720
what have you. So at least
now you'll have more time because and hopefully

1137
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:54.760
maybe some more time for yourself to
drive your Harley around the mountains. And

1138
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.479
there you go. And yeah,
that's one thing I won't miss I'll tell

1139
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:04.119
you right now, I will missed
this searching. Okay. I am sill

1140
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:11.079
with that. I am full Hacke
that and that's the one thing I will

1141
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:18.079
wherever we have I'll get those reformation. Yes, Saturday night, a couple

1142
01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:21.439
of quick to sign about. Oh
cool, are you going to miss the

1143
01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:28.439
taser training because I know you you
like to get tased except to throw the

1144
01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:33.239
shock. Yeah you can. You
can have your wife tase you at home.

1145
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:36.199
Well no, Well, basically what
I've done is, you know,

1146
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:41.960
certain things are just going to have
to take the place of a livery thing.

1147
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:44.800
So for tasing, I think for
the initial shock, are even go

1148
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.680
some destigations, Yeah, and they
will they real quick. I know we

1149
01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:51.399
only have a couple of minutes probably
left. Yeah, something else. And

1150
01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:56.159
this is absolutely the truth. And
I don't know whether nothing can relate to

1151
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.439
this or not. Granted, you
know, eight years I was in Regerve

1152
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:01.279
and I've got some pretty you know
with these things. With them, I've

1153
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:05.439
been in a lot of interesting situations
to sort believe that. And I won't

1154
01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:08.600
go into too much where you know, you have to drive them to all

1155
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:11.520
kind of if you thinks. But
I'll be very honest to you and all

1156
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:15.079
the listeners out there, I have
never been more scared in my life.

1157
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:20.920
When you're doing those investigations or cattle
relations when you're out the middle of the

1158
01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:25.439
Knights, you know, looking for
something like that, or you know,

1159
01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:29.840
bigfood investigations. You know, when
you're dealing with something that's completely unknown that

1160
01:29:29.960 --> 01:29:32.840
you just can't take a text stuff
out of the longforce of library and say

1161
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.439
this is how this person would react
to We're out of time. We're like

1162
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:42.079
totally oh, I apologize, no
good thing to end on. Thank you

1163
01:29:42.159 --> 01:29:46.199
so much for being on the show. UFO Nut ufo nut dot com is

1164
01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:50.800
we can find more information about Chuck
and we are totally out of time,

1165
01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:54.600
so join us next week. I
don't even have time to tell you who

1166
01:29:54.680 --> 01:30:29.000
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